It’s not bigoted to call out the Israel lobby over Iran Deal

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The spontaneous eruption on social media assaulting Chuck Schumer’s decision to reject what many Americans consider to be, potentially, the greatest diplomatic feat in US foreign policy since Nixon’s ’72 trip to China, and potentially the pinnacle of Obama’s presidential legacy — the Iran Deal — has ticked off editors at Tablet Magazine. Tablet says that supporters of the deal are resorting to bigoted appeals.

“Crossing a Line to Sell a Deal”  is a cornucopia of accusatory rhetoric in an attempt to paint a big thick red line around words no one is allowed to say in US politics because they’re — anti-Semitic. Those words include

Murmuring about “money” and “lobbying” and “foreign interests”

Obama, Tablet says, is raising dual loyalty accusations, the “dark, nasty stuff we might expect to hear at a white power rally.”

Sorry, I don’t buy it. If lobbyists are spending 40 million dollars in the next 2 months flagellating the public (and Congress members) with propaganda against the Iran Deal– with the result that polling numbers on the Iran deal are actually changing in the negative direction– don’t expect people who support the deal to fight for it without identifying the real opponent, “lobby” and “money” and “Israel”.

If a rightwing Prime Minister gets invited into Congress to submarine our president’s policy and the New York Times says that Democrats are torn between their “loyalty to the Jewish state” and their support for Obama, I have a right to talk about where their loyalty should lie. If Bill Kristol of the Emergency Committee for Israel responds to Obama’s statement that Israel is the only country publicly to oppose the pact by saying, “All the greater Israel’s glory,” well, I have a right to say that deal opponents care about a foreign country.

If Natan Sharansky, an Israeli closely allied to Netanyahu, gets to write in the Washington Post, “Jews stood up to the U.S. government 40 years ago, and should again on Iran,” I’m allowed to ask why the Washington Post is running appeals to Jewish American dual loyalty.

People would have to be living under a rock not to be aware Netanyahu and American rightwing Likud backers don’t like this deal.  After years and years of the worst kind of incendiary fear mongering over Iran, a total repetition of what we endured, as a country, over Iraq, Netanyahu and the Israel lobby are now ferociously rejecting what I and by the way President Obama too see as the only alternative to another war. Well, they placed themselves in the crosshairs of an argument. We didn’t drag them there. Lots of American people don’t like and resent the access Israel has to influence our foreign policy; I do. And heaven forbid we get a long-needed rapprochement with Iran after decades– which could reduce Israel’s power in the region. Many Americans want that, the lobby doesn’t.

None of this is a secret, nor should it be. So don’t expect to shut up anyone telling the truth about it. Calling it Jew-baiting (as Tablet did just two weeks ago) is a form of blackmail. And more recently:

What we increasingly can’t stomach—and feel obliged to speak out about right now—is the use of Jew-baiting and other blatant and retrograde forms of racial and ethnic prejudice as tools to sell a political deal, or to smear those who oppose it. Accusing Senator Schumer of loyalty to a foreign government is bigotry, pure and simple.

Really? Accusing Senator Schumer of loyalty to Israel is beyond the pale? This is a senator who has bragged again and again that his name in Hebrew, shomer, means that he is the guardian of the Jewish state. This is the senator who has shouted “Am Yisrael Chai” — the people of Israel live! — at gatherings of the leading Israel lobby group, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. So he can talk about his motivation on Middle East policy, but we’re not allowed to? Sorry, this has nothing to do with bigotry, it’s a case of censorship by playing the victim card as a means to intimidate and silence us.

We can all decide on our own what constitutes racism and bigotry, we don’t need overseers from Tablet magazine isolating words we’re not allowed to use because of ‘ancient tropes.’ If you don’t want people accusing politicians of selling their votes to lobbies, well then stop the lobbies from giving our politicians money, stop them from flooding the network airwaves with scary ads about Iran. Stop a foreign minister from making “marionettes” out of our politicians, as Yale professor David Bromwich says at Huffington Post.

Haaretz’s Chemi Shalev also objects to Tablet’s tactics in a column in the Israeli newspaper: 

Tablet’s malevolent interpretation of statements made by the president, administration officials and the New York Times are so wantonly over the top that one cannot but suspect ulterior motives.

…..The editorial gives opponents of the Iran deal a powerful weapon with which to silence any criticism of Netanyahu or AIPAC or Jewish Democrats who oppose the president. It provides a convenient way for the GOP and other right-wingers to have their cake and eat it too: Netanyahu is allowed to address 10,000 American Jewish leaders and activists from Jerusalem, but mentioning their faith is forbidden; he is allowed to be the sole foreign leader to openly campaign against the deal, but singling him out is verboten; AIPAC can raise emergency funds, cancel all vacations and send its lobbyists to canvass on Capitol Hill, but say the words “lobby” or “money” and you are quickly branded a bigot; Schumer can famously boast that he sees himself as a Shomer Israel but you won’t dare say that when he seems to live up to his promise.

It’s hard to tell which is more offensive – or scary: the anti-Jewish comments creeping up on the sidelines of political discourse or the brazen attempt to exponentially multiply signs of anti-Semitism to gain political advantage. Obama and administration officials used language that even some of their supporters might find disturbing, but these have now been turned into unequivocal manifestations of a rabid hatred of Jews.

It’s only a powerful weapon to silence us if Americans rise to the bait and buy into Tablet’s scolding hogwash.

Besides, it really does not take a rocket scientist to figure out when a Democratic senator stands with the Republican caucus against our Democratic president and our State Department’s diplomatic efforts and rejects a major foreign policy achievement, lots of Democratic constituents and activists are going to reject the concept of that senator being elevated as their next senate party leader. That’s a no brainer, and it has nothing to do with Schumer being Jewish. It’s simple politics.

Take note, that goes for any Dem congressperson crossing the president on this deal, consider yourself warned.

You can’t shut us up. Move over Chuck Schumer, you’re an obstructionist and you are in our way.

Thanks to Phil Weiss for contributions to this article.

About Annie Robbins

Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani

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  1. just
    August 9, 2015, 1:33 pm

    Fantastic article, Annie.

    “You can’t shut us up. Move over Chuck Schumer, you’re an obstructionists and you are in our way.”

    Never, ever should he be allowed to ascend to the leadership position. I think that all Dems that stand with Israel and Netanyahu should be “primaried” and ousted from their offices.

    “Besides, it really does not take a rocket scientist to figure out when a Democratic senator stands with the Republican caucus against our Democratic president and our State Department’s diplomatic efforts and rejects a major foreign policy achievement, lots of Democratic constituents and activists are going to reject the concept of that senator being elevated as their next senate party leader. That’s a no brainer, and it has nothing to do with Schumer being Jewish. It’s simple politics.”

    At long last, the necessary conversations about loyalty have begun. They are now going on out in the open, and it’s not anti- semitic to have questions about it.

    Tablet’s vitriol is misdirected, of course. :

    “Accusing Senator Schumer of loyalty to a foreign government is bigotry, pure and simple.”

    Americans are not going to buy Tablet’s ranting & poo. Schumer, Lowey, Israel, Deutch, Sherman and Engel deserve any and all blowback. It’s not anti- semitic to point out facts.

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Key-Jewish-Democrats-in-Congress-say-they-will-vote-against-Iran-deal-411546

    • Annie Robbins
      August 9, 2015, 4:19 pm

      oh wow i just saw your link just. what a blow that is. thanks for your wonderful support as always.

      • inbound39
        August 9, 2015, 7:14 pm

        Stirring stuff Annie! Could not have expressed it better myself. They cannot shut us up. I live now in New Zealand and prior I lived in Australia and prior I was born in UK of Scottish descent. I was seventeen when conscription for eighteen year olds was introduced in Australia for the Vietnam War. We were linked to America via the ANZUS treaty. We had an obligation to assist our American friends if called upon. For me it scared the wits out of me. I was getting into Hendrix and Cream and enjoying being a teen. Kiwi’s were asked to volunteer.

        It caused me to volunteer for the navy. My father had wanted me to join the army in an armoured corps. He was a former Scots Guardsman and on his twenty first birthday landed at. Normandy. Every male in my family has defended their people. I swore an oath of allegiance to serve and protect the people and serve the government in power. Similar to American troops. I did not serve nor was I willing to die for the reasons of a Foreign Government nor did I agree to serve a Foreign Powers interests nor did I agree to defend a foreign powers interests or its people committing illegal activities.

        This is what Americans need to wake up to. It is the heart of the matter. A foreign Power has infiltrated the American Government and is manipulating the people of America and its politicians into serving the interests of a Foreign Power.

        This Foreign Power is attempting to convince through lies and untruths that Iran is a threat to the World. That it will nuke us all. It has no nuke weapons or warheads nor does it have a military nuclear program. Israel is the sole nuclear power in the Middle East and its program IS illegal and it DOES have many hundreds of Nuclear warheads and HAS REPEATEDLY THREATENED to bomb Iran USING THOSE NUKES. Sending a fallout cloud around the World on the wind that inevitably will cross the Pacific and over New Zealand and Australia.

        We have no obligation to protect or defend a rogue Nation such as Israel that inconsiderately and irresponsibly threatens our lives and attempts to drag our troops, our children, our husbands and wives into a war that is not of our making.

        Quite rightly Annie! Netanyahu, AIPAC,Israeli Right Wing, Corrupt bought American Senators and Congress people and other bought Foreign Politicians cannot SHUT US UP. We do not support them…..nor do we agree with their destructive policies……nor will we spill our blood for them. LET THEM SPILL THEIR OWN BLOOD.

      • ziusudra
        August 11, 2015, 7:20 am

        Greetings Ms. Annie,
        on your imerging journalistic prowess.

        …….Schumer drew the line against Pres. Obama’s foreign policy of Detente in coming to this accord with Iran…….

        Will lines be drawn against Schumer’s line? Yes.
        Right radicals,
        KKK,
        Antisemitism,
        Big US Business,
        BDS, etc.
        ziusudra
        PS Oy, who worries about the Reps., i got Schumer.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 5, 2016, 2:24 am

        inbound, i just read this again. i must have read it before i just don’t recall. it’s an amazingly autobiographical comment and i really appreciate it. thank you so much and i hope you read this even if it is months late! thanks again!

    • Ellen
      August 10, 2015, 10:27 am

      Agreed! This is a very good piece, Annie. Clear and true.

      Foreign Policy just came out with this on Schumer and his obviously dishonest claims to be voting his conscience.

      It is a good follow up to your piece.

      https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/08/09/upchuck-senator-schumers-disingenuous-iran-deal-argument/

      • Tchoupitoulas
        August 10, 2015, 2:23 pm

        Best line from that FP piece:

        “Sharing a media market with Chuck Schumer is like sharing a banana with a monkey,” (Jon) Corzine was quoted as saying in New York magazine. “Take a little bite of it, and he will throw his own feces at you.”

    • Kathleen
      August 11, 2015, 5:53 pm

      Spot on response Just. Great piece Annie. Anyone betting whether any of the MSNBC talking heads or any of the right, left or center news host asking Schumer about his “will vote for what is best for the U.S.” comment. When will they challenge him on this huge lie. The P5+1 is what is best for the middle east, Israel , the U.S. and the rest of the world.

  2. CigarGod
    August 9, 2015, 1:39 pm

    “…they placed themselves in the crosshairs of an argument.”

    Brilliantly written article, Annie and Phil.
    Way to distinguish yourselves as leaders.

    • Annie Robbins
      August 9, 2015, 1:53 pm

      thank you CG. ;)

      • CigarGod
        August 9, 2015, 1:59 pm

        Perfect line., Coach!
        What I found interesting as I read it, it seemed like a skilled, well considered and distilled product of the many people who come here to share, learn, grow, and make positive change.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 9, 2015, 2:39 pm

        distilled product of the many people who come here to share, learn, grow, and make positive change.

        for me, this is why comment sections are so important. not just here, but everywhere. it’s important to hear and be exposed to how people think. it’s not fair if only privileged members of the press get a voice and can determine what’s acceptable speech. and the absurdity of americans having to be exposed to this endless display of vitriol from the press and the lobby pumping crap that a lot of which comes from think tanks and pr hacks (frank luntz for example) and then we’re not supposed to mention it? please! i mean they’re trying to curb the president’s speech when everything he said was well known! and they call it bigoted? it’s like this anti semitic charge is just everywhere! it’s ridiculous!

        i learn a lot from the people here and for me it’s a privilege to be able to write here. everyone here (including you) gives me courage. and phil is the bomb to work with. ;) you have no idea.

      • Steve Grover
        August 10, 2015, 12:18 pm

        Annie sez:
        “for me, this is why comment sections are so important. not just here, but everywhere. it’s important to hear and be exposed to how people think”
        If this were the case, then so many of my comments wouldn’t be deleted.
        I don’t get why my Mondoweiss peeps are for the deal. I mean if Iran has as Jimmy Carter the Nuclear Engineer sez “Nucular Weapons”, wouldn’t that help keep bad ass Israel in check? Or, is that you folks hate the sanctions and you want ’em lifted no matter what the result. Results like arms for Hezbollah and Hamas which could attack Israel from the North and the South at the same time. Now I see why my peace lovin’ Mondoweiss peeps are for the deal.
        Shalom from Ramat Gan :-)

      • Annie Robbins
        August 10, 2015, 1:23 pm

        If this were the case, then so many of my comments wouldn’t be deleted.

        ok whoops, i should amend that to read ‘it’s important to hear and be exposed to how people think unless they sound like unhinged lunatics: #ANTIZIONISTSDONTMATTER
        #BDSERSDONTMATTER

        a tad more relevant commentary might help you out steve. ever think of that?

      • Steve Grover
        August 10, 2015, 2:23 pm

        Annie retorts:
        “a tad more relevant commentary might help you out steve. ever think of that?”
        Alas, my response to the question that Weiss posed, “Why did Sec’y of State Clinton stick her nose into $465 donation to Scottish film festival in ’09? (BDS)” which are #ANTIZIOINISTSDONTMATTER and #BDSERSDONTMATTER would be viewed as relevant commentary by many. My response is a great example of less is more. Though you iz the moderator.

      • Mooser
        August 10, 2015, 4:06 pm

        “If this were the case, then so many of my comments wouldn’t be deleted.”

        Try not posting while drunk, for a start.

      • Steve Grover
        August 11, 2015, 1:05 am

        Mooser sez:
        “Try not posting while drunk, for a start.”
        Being shickered up is the only way a reasonable person can fathom an Israel hatin’ Yidlach such as yourself.

      • Mooser
        August 12, 2015, 12:48 pm

        “Being shickered up is the only way…”

        Admitting you have a problem is the first step towards solving it.
        But if you can’t post to Mondo other than inebriated, you might want to consider stopping. You can’t depend on the Moderator’s compassion, well, pity, forever, Steve. Sooner or later, they may start passing them all.

    • bintbiba
      August 9, 2015, 5:57 pm

      “…they placed themselves in the crosshairs of an argument.”

      CG : [ Brilliantly written article, Annie and Phil.
      Way to distinguish yourselves as leaders.]

      As an outsider …may I join in congratulating you, annie and Phil …. on your powerful words

      “You can’t shut us up. Move over Chuck Schumer, you’re an obstructionist .”

      Superb !!!

    • MRW
      August 10, 2015, 4:15 pm

      Yep. I agree. Great article. My feelings exactly.

  3. John Douglas
    August 9, 2015, 1:40 pm

    Thanks, Annie. I have two questions. The first I don’t know the answer to, the second I think I do.
    Has any reporter ever asked Schumer or any other important politician if he or she is a citizen of Israel. This is important because any American who is voluntarily a citizen of another country as well has dual loyalty by definition. I understand there are lists on the WEB of dual citizen American politicians and civil servants, but I understand they are not reliable.
    Second, if no reporter or interviewer has never asked that question, why not? It’s ludicrous to say it’s irrelevant. And it’s a lie to suggest it’s anti-Semitic.

    • Annie Robbins
      August 9, 2015, 2:06 pm

      john, that question has come up in discussion threads here and i don’t know the answer to it. several times people tried posting completely unsourced congressional lists of alleged dual citizenship and i deleted them. i think it’s crude, irresponsible and racist to be making assumptions about people based purely on their ethnicity which is how the list appeared to me.

      for regular citizens i personally think it’s a private matter if someone wants it to be (but begs the question why be private on something of that nature?). but for elected public officials i don’t think that’s information that should be hidden from the public. personally, i object to dual citizenship for members of congress, the executive branch (including the state department of course), the supreme court, and all other federal courts. but it’s not up to me.

      • amigo
        August 9, 2015, 3:20 pm

        Annie, I see no problem with someone gaining citizenship in their new country if they go through the normal requirements of that nation and stay there and work and pay taxes and support that nation.
        I do however have a problem with someone who takes out citizenship of another nation, (which is simple in the case of Israel as you just need to be Jewish–this does not , I believe apply in most other cases.Ireland requires that your one of your Grandparents be Irish .) and then work in the interests of that nation against the interests of and from your own nation.It is the ultimate treachery.

      • RobertHenryEller
        August 10, 2015, 9:42 am

        It’s a moot point whether or not Schumer is an Israeli citizen.

        As a Jew, and a high profile individual, his request for such citizenship would be granted instantly, should he walk into any Israeli embassy, or just show up at the airport in Tel Aviv.

      • CigarGod
        August 10, 2015, 9:51 am

        Exactly.
        But if you are one of 5 million dispossesed Palestinians…you still might get a missile thru your sunroof.

    • JWalters
      August 9, 2015, 7:09 pm

      I agree, it’ an extremely relevant and appropriate question in the current context. The public should be aware when a political decision maker may have an ulterior agenda. That’s why campaign contributions are supposed to be disclosed. Same logic applies here.

    • Citizen
      August 10, 2015, 6:07 pm

      Nobody of any influence points out the obvious problem with the issue of dual citizenship.

    • ziusudra
      August 11, 2015, 7:49 am

      Greetings John Douglas,
      Ms. Annie is incorrect on one aspect, it’s a matter of Citizenship.
      Israel is not an Ethnicity.
      If it were Citizenship, how could a lawmaker of the US with foreign Citizenship decide on foreign policy in US interests when it contradicts the policies of US interest?

      …. I pledge allegiance to the United States of America……
      …..I pledge allegiance to the State of Israel……..

      If a conflict of interest occurs on foreign policy betwixt the two:
      My allegiance goes to the highest bidder!
      ziusudra

      • Annie Robbins
        August 11, 2015, 8:12 am

        ziusudra please don’t put words in my mouth. i didn’t say israel was an ethnicity. i referenced an unsourced list alleging the congresspeople on the list were dual citizens. and aside from all the names being politicians the only other thing they appeared to have in common was jewish names. ‘jewish’ is considered an ethnic qualifier (although many disagree) and it’s not synonymous with israel (even tho israel is an ethnic nationalist state).

      • ziusudra
        August 12, 2015, 5:51 am

        Greetings Ms. Annie,

        Consider ‘Old Dum Fuk’ having been out de Country over 50 yrs to miss your Nuance.
        Tks for posting & above all thanks for:
        Ya looka in ma face, when you talka to me.
        ziusudra
        PS I find many jewish adjectives & nouns misleading &/or confusing.
        Example: we in the US consider German names as Jewish, but couldn’t recognize a Jewish polish or russian name.

  4. Citizen
    August 9, 2015, 1:45 pm

    I went around today, in my local strip mall, and I subtly engaged people I met there about the issue. I found that quite a few 25 years age or so, and 70 age or so, agreed that the two party system is a train wreck in their eyes, and very few had much information on foreign policy regarding Israel and even the concept of the “special relationship.” Many said they were looking for a way to make Third Party platforms more noticeable on mainline TV, and would look into Jill Stein’s Green Party stance on foreign policy in the Middle East when I recommended it. None were familiar with the acronym AIPAC. All knew US domestic and foreign policy were dictated by rich donors. All distrusted Congress, Big corporations, Big banks, Big insurance and Pharma companies. All knew the bottom line was that the little guy paid, the big guy did not, yet got to lay out the rules. All were just everyday people.

    • JWalters
      August 9, 2015, 7:13 pm

      Very interesting findings. In a way it’s encouraging, because it means these people don’t need to have their minds changed, they only need to be informed. And most of them will have their minds blown when they find out the facts.

  5. unverified__5ilf90kd
    August 9, 2015, 2:43 pm

    You wrote “If Natan Sharansky, an Israeli closely allied to Netanyahu, gets to write in the Washington Post, “Jews stood up to the U.S. government 40 years ago, and should again on Iran,” I’m allowed to ask why the Washington Post is running appeals to Jewish American dual loyalty.”

    The answer is that the Washington Post is controlled by Jews who support Israel at the expense of America under certain conditions. We are a constant victim of what I call the MSDJM – the Mainstream Disproportionately Jewish Media. We have mostly been too intimidated by Jewish power even to raise the subject. But the Iran deal is finally forcing the pathology into the open. It is actually the Jews who are revealing the pathology because they have felt the need to further intimidate their unruly critics who have recently been bolder than ever before, even originating in the White House. The weak logic of their case against the Iran deal, coupled with the weak logic of defining anti-Semitism as a criticism of that logic, makes a sad spectacle that will not advance their irrational causes. We are seeing up close the strength and toxicity of their power in ways that never before were revealed for public consumption.

    • Annie Robbins
      August 9, 2015, 2:53 pm

      It is actually the Jews who are revealing the pathology because they have felt the need to further intimidate their unruly critics who have recently been bolder than ever before, even originating in the White House.

      once you reveal to me how phil and adam feel the need to further intimidate their unruly critics i might understand your point, but i don’t think i’ll be too convinced no matter what you say. you write as tho you think all jews work in a pack. i think there are fundamental (racist) problems with this concept.

      • echinococcus
        August 9, 2015, 3:33 pm

        Annie,

        Sometimes the origin of such statements may be racist/racialist, other times it’s purely statistical and factual. Bringing outliers into the discussion, which both Phil and Adam are, only adds some absurdity.
        The problem with the statistical aspect of it is compounded by a major difficulty, i.e. an unknown rate of people who refuse to identify themselves as Jewish (motivated sometimes by disgust of Zionism or of religion), thus reducing the denominator and further increasing the percentage of Zionists.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 9, 2015, 4:23 pm

        nah, you’re wrong all the way as far as i am concerned.

      • inbound39
        August 10, 2015, 6:37 am

        Here is a good article about what Netanyahu is up to and been up to and it also dissects Schumer.

        He was first elected in 1996 on the wave of Israeli settler chauvinism that followed the signing of the Oslo Accords. His rise came in the wake of the assassination of his opponent, a courageous defender of the accords, Yitzhak Rabin. A public memorandum detailing the strategy for Netanyahu as leader of Israel was written by the neoconservative war propagandist Richard Perle, along with a small committee of others. The strategy document, “A Clean Break,” called for Israel to free itself from the tedious demands of diplomacy once and for all, curtail its efforts to negotiate with Palestinians toward the creation of a state, and give up the idea of joining a neighborhood of nations in the Middle East. With American help, instead, Israel could stand alone as the dominant power, a position it should never compromise by bargaining for peace. To achieve this end, three countries had to be undermined, subdivided, or destroyed: Iraq, Syria, and Iran.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/netanyahu-and-his-marione_b_7958146.html

      • Citizen
        August 10, 2015, 6:13 pm

        I don’t think the TV ads assailing me daily to kill the Iran Deal were funded by Phil & Adam, but there’s nothing to counter them I’ve seen on TV

      • Annie Robbins
        August 10, 2015, 9:12 pm

        luckily i don’t have a tv

      • lysias
        August 10, 2015, 8:44 pm

        How many people still watch TV? I certainly don’t.

    • JWalters
      August 9, 2015, 7:18 pm

      Simply say “some Jews” instead of “the Jews”. It may not be elegant, but it’s accurate. “The Jews” implies “all Jews”, and opens your case to attack. And it raises questions about your intent, as discussed thoroughly in comments about one of your previous posts.

      • echinococcus
        August 9, 2015, 8:04 pm

        Walters,

        There is a long way from “some” to “a large majority” –perhaps an overwhelming majority. What suffers is not only the English language but our accuracy in assessing reality and acting on it.
        Now, non-Jews in the US are similarly supportive of Zionism, also in their large majority.
        It is to be hoped that the percent change in support moves in parallel, both for the Jewish and non-Jewish population. It will probably do that, so we may be OK there. At least, let’s hope.
        The huge problem is in the institutional representation and the public image of it.
        If all organizations calling themselves “Jewish” without exception are Zionist instruments (we’ll skip the single exception declaring itself against while at the same time openly sabotaging solidarity with the Palestinians, in its Wiesenthalian nonsense) and, more importantly, all religious sites i.e. synagogues openly supporting, nay displaying the flag of the Zionist entity, there doesn’t seem to be a way to avoid collective prejudice and backlash when things start turning around. No use taking refuge in how things ideally ought to be: this is the way racist reactions work and just arguing ain’t gonna change it –that’s where statistical thinking becomes important.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 10, 2015, 3:42 am

        There is a long way from “some” to “a large majority” –perhaps an overwhelming majority.

        you’re making the same argument that pro israel orgs and their activists make, that they speak for the community at large. it reminds me of something the wonderful cecile surasky wrote. http://mondoweiss.net/2013/05/francisco-apartheid-backlash

        Bay Area Jewish Community Condemns Deceptive Apartheid Ads

        Saying something over and over again doesn’t make it true. The Bay Area JCRC, and local offices of the ADL and the AJC, are not synonymous with the “Bay Area Jewish Community.” In fact, while the Jewish Community Relations Council claims to represent Bay Area Jews, they won’t release the number or names of groups they represent. That certainly makes one wonder if the number is embarrassingly small. And it’s likely shrinking. There is no shortage of Jews around here, from a wide political spectrum, who would be appalled to be associated with an attack on a Muslim group for using a word that Israeli officials use regularly.

        i recommend the whole link.

        anyway, i’ve had this conversation more times than i can count. the last time (i think) was with giles. you can probably find it in the archives. he’s no longer with us. you might take that as a warning. or not~ at your own peril.

      • tokyobk
        August 10, 2015, 12:58 am

        JWalters — Its good advice but you are assuming that unverified wants to do something other than identify “The Jews”. Clearly unverified does, as Annie writes, think of the Jews as a unified pack. As, “The Jews” and I have not seen anything that says other than his beef is with the Jews not with Zionists or any other variety of Jew.

      • CigarGod
        August 10, 2015, 1:06 am

        Want me to make a list of Jews and Jewish organizations that constantly try to create the Monolithic Jew image?
        I thought not.
        People get a ton of slack from me, as they try to have a reasonable discussion while you and your pals are down on the field moving the goal post like OCD home decorators.

      • echinococcus
        August 10, 2015, 3:58 am

        Annie, the absence of additional, more reliable polls does not make the myth of a Zionist minority among US Jews believable. As I specified, a support rate equal to that in the non-Jewish population (as I believe it is today among the Jewish Americans) is already a large majority. Also as already said, the real concern is not with the individuals but the organizations, because it’s a problem to do with image, not reality.
        Finally, it is the opposite of some groups claiming to represent a “community; it was about a possible backlash directed at an imagined community as claimed by the Zionists. It’s not enough to sit tight because one doesn’t participate in such absurd claims: Zionists will insist until they are believed.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 10, 2015, 4:20 am

        the absence of additional, more reliable polls does not make the myth of a Zionist minority among US Jews believable.

        there is no “myth of a Zionist minority among US Jews”.

        Also as already said, the real concern is not with the individuals but the organizations, because it’s a problem to do with image, not reality….Zionists will insist until they are believed.

        and lucky for them, you’re empowering the perpetuation of that image.

      • Mooser
        August 10, 2015, 11:07 am

        The imbroglio with JVP, Allison Weir and Counterpunch is still going on. There are a couple of posts at JSF which might be informative.

        Just realized: You know, given the factioned nature of the Jewish religions, and their actual (in many cases) rejection of each other, one could say “Zionism is intra-Jewish ecumenicism.” And that, my friends, is so fucking sad, it’s a tragedy

      • JWalters
        August 10, 2015, 8:45 pm

        echinococcus, I appreciate your concern about the general public’s ability to distinguish “most Jews” from “all Jews”. But it seems to me important that people who can make that distinction do so, clearly and consistently. First, it’s the only way to be fair to those Jews who are not following the herd, e.g. are anti-Zionist. Second, it helps increase public awareness of that distinction. We should do all we can to avoid an unjust backlash against “all Jews”. This will also help more Jews free themselves from the Zionist herd, making the distinction ever more obvious.

        I am not as pessimistic on this point as you are. America has evolved a very solid “freedom of religion” culture. Today in America if somebody is criticized because of their religion, they are quickly defended from many sides. And the media technology speeds up the whole discussion process compared to previous eras. These two factors, it seems to me, makes it much harder for the mob psychology your warn about to get traction. Just look at how hard the Zionists are working to demonize all Muslims, and with what little relative success. It’s working with the least educated and informed, but for many it’s backfiring.

  6. JLewisDickerson
    August 9, 2015, 2:47 pm

    RE: “The spontaneous eruption on social media assaulting Chuck Schumer’s decision to reject what many Americans consider to be, potentially, the greatest diplomatic feat in US foreign policy since Nixon’s ’72 trip to China…” ~ Robbins

    TWITTER HASHTAG: #WarmongerChuck

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    P.S.

    ■ MoveOn.org
    • No money for war hawks

    In response to Senator Schumer’s decision to side with partisan war hawks, MoveOn.org’s 8 million members are immediately launching a Democratic Party donor strike. We will organize grassroots progressives across the country to withhold campaign contributions from the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and from any Democratic candidate who succeeds in undermining the president’s diplomacy with Iran. Our goal will be to secure commitments to withhold $10 million in contributions within 72 hours after this campaign launches.
    ✔ TO SIGN THE PLEDGE –http://moveon.org/ecard/withhold_money/

  7. unverified__5ilf90kd
    August 9, 2015, 2:47 pm

    You wrote “That’s a no brainer, and it has nothing to do with Schumer being Jewish. It’s simple politics.”

    You are right, his actions should be punished whether he is Jewish or not. In that respect it does not matter that he is Jewish.

    But, if you want to examine why he did it, you have to ask, did Schumer do this simply because he is Jewish? He is probably the Senator in this district because he is Jewish and he is probably supporting Netanyahu because he is Jewish. If we want to analyze this and understand it, we have to examine his particular brand of irrational pro-Israel logic (or deceit) that was used to reach this unfortunate decision. It may be treason for a Senator to support the government of another country at the expense of his own country.

    • Annie Robbins
      August 9, 2015, 3:15 pm

      to me, regarding the leadership position, it is completely irrelevant. he’s one of the top dems in the party. on something as important as this, you back the president. even if you are not one of the top dems — but especially if you are it is your job to lead the party. and there are plenty of constituents in his district who support the deal, no question about it. he’s got a job to do as a party leader, and that’s lead. there’s no excuse for anything but supporting the president in this matter. not in my book. no excuse. period.

      the idea the very top postion in the democratic senate is standing with the gop caucus on the most important legislation — not just in obama’s presidency but possibly the most important foreign policy decision in the century thus far — the idea he would abandon the president and the state department and still become party leader? you’ve got to be kidding me. it’s astounding. it’s delusional. his mind is so far down the aipac rabbit hole he thinks something like this is acceptable and he can keep top spot? if he thinks activists and obama supporters are not going to put up a fight over this he’s out of his mind.

      that’s how important i think this deal is. any democrat not supporting the deal should be out of a job. i’m serious. this is a massive foreign policy achievement.

      • JWalters
        August 9, 2015, 7:25 pm

        Well put. This is fundamentally about politics, specifically, political goals. Nobody gets a pass on their garbage to be nice to their ethnic group.

        And I agree with you on the magnitude of the foreign policy achievement at issue.

      • Citizen
        August 10, 2015, 6:20 pm

        Yep, the issue is, is Netanyahu the de facto POTUS. That is the question, is revealing.

    • Sibiriak
      August 10, 2015, 10:24 am

      unverified__5ilf90kd: But, if you want to examine why he did it, you have to ask, did Schumer do this simply because he is Jewish ?
      —————–
      No, you don’t have to ask that. But if you did, the answer would be clearly “no.”

      ——————-

      we have to examine his particular brand of irrational pro-Israel logic (or deceit) that was used to reach this unfortunate decision.

      Yes, one would have to examine his political ideology. Not his Jewishness. You can’t say his ideology derives from Jewishness, since many Jews do not share that ideology.

      • Citizen
        August 10, 2015, 6:22 pm

        Well, the question would not even appear if he was not Jewish? There’s a historical pattern, no?

  8. Kay24
    August 9, 2015, 2:48 pm

    Interesting article Annie. At this rate the way the lobby (on behalf of Bibi and the zionists) has inserted itself into US affair, our policies, and has cause a major rift between the President and Congress, it is NOT anti-semitic at all to criticize or condemn the workings of AIPAC and other bodies. In fact it is the patriotic thing to do, considering it has poisoned the system in our government, and has interfered in our foreign policies (how dare an alien nation do so), openly
    trying to sabotage not only the hard work by President Obama to avoid a costly war, and bring peace to that region, but also interfere with the other nations involved in this deal.
    This is sheer chutzpah zionist style.
    Enough is enough. Time these lobbies were confronted and chased out of town.

    There is nothing anti-semitic about safeguarding your own country and making sure no foreign lobbies or their agents tamper with, or sabotage, our policies.

    • Annie Robbins
      August 9, 2015, 3:25 pm

      thank you kay!

    • JWalters
      August 9, 2015, 7:26 pm

      Well said!

    • inbound39
      August 9, 2015, 7:27 pm

      You express my sentiments well Kay and I imagine many more agree with us and Annie and many others around the Globe. I do not think Netanyahu has any idea of the Backlash of Tsunami proportions that is coming and Israel will be swept aside and a Palestinian State will be fertilized and grow from the deluge.

    • Citizen
      August 10, 2015, 6:23 pm

      Kay24, I agree!

  9. just
    August 9, 2015, 2:48 pm

    Thanks for your efforts, Citizen @ 1:45.

    “… very few had much information on foreign policy regarding Israel and even the concept of the “special relationship.” None were familiar with the acronym AIPAC.”

    That is terribly disturbing! As more and more is exposed, I can only hope that the “everyday people” of America take advantage of the education and information that is proliferating.

    • Citizen
      August 10, 2015, 6:29 pm

      I am just an ordinary born and bred American, uncircumcised, not religious, a guy who worked his way though university at his own expense, was a US Army soldier due to the Draft. I know what Dick and Jane do not.

      • Mooser
        August 16, 2015, 12:06 pm

        “I am just an ordinary born and bred American, uncircumcised, not religious, a guy who worked his way though university at his own expense, was a US Army soldier due to the Draft. I know what Dick and Jane do not.”

        Citizen, you should use that as your personal ad, should you ever need one.

  10. JLewisDickerson
    August 9, 2015, 2:52 pm

    RE: “What we increasingly can’t stomach—and feel obliged to speak out about right now—is the use of Jew-baiting and other blatant and retrograde forms of racial and ethnic prejudice as tools to sell a political deal, or to smear those who oppose it. Accusing Senator Schumer of loyalty to a foreign government is bigotry, pure and simple.” ~ Tablet

    SEE: ■ A Problem of Self Image (Mysh) from Richard Silverstein’s Tikun Olam site

  11. JLewisDickerson
    August 9, 2015, 2:59 pm

    RE: Stop a foreign minister from making “marionettes” out of our politicians, as Yale professor David Bromwich says at Huffington Post. ~ Robbins

    IN OTHER WORDS: ‘Just say no’ to “yo-yos”! ! !*

    * SEE: “Bibi and the Yo-Yos”, by Uri Avnery, Antiwar.com, 05/26/11

    [EXCERPT] It was all rather disgusting.
    There they were, the members of the highest legislative bodies of the world’s only superpower, flying up and down like so many yo-yos, applauding wildly, every few minutes or seconds, the most outrageous lies and distortions of Binyamin Netanyahu.
    It was worse than the Syrian parliament during a speech by Bashar Assad, where anyone not applauding could find himself in prison. Or Stalin’s Supreme Soviet, when showing less than sufficient respect could have meant death.

    What the American Senators and Congressmen feared was a fate worse than death. Anyone remaining seated or not applauding wildly enough could have been caught on camera – and that amounts to political suicide. It was enough for one single congressman to rise and applaud, and all the others had to follow suit. Who would dare not to?
    The sight of these hundreds of parliamentarians jumping up and clapping their hands, again and again and again and again, with the Leader graciously acknowledging with a movement of his hand, was reminiscent of other regimes. Only this time it was not the local dictator who compelled this adulation, but a foreign one.
    The most depressing part of it was that there was not a single lawmaker – Republican or Democrat – who dared to resist. When I was a 9 year old boy in Germany, I dared to leave my right arm hanging by my side when all my schoolmates raised theirs in the Nazi salute and sang Hitler’s anthem. Is there no one in Washington DC who has that simple courage? Is it really Washington IOT – Israel Occupied Territory – as the anti-Semites assert? . . . [ANSWER: Yes, it is; and there are many other “occupiers”. Like the military-industrial complex. And, the NRA. And, Big Pharma. And, the too-big-to-fail banks. And, Wall Street. And, the Chamber of Commerce. And . . . (continued ad nauseam) ~ J.L.D.]

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://original.antiwar.com/avnery/2011/05/25/bibi-and-the-yo-yos/

  12. Keith
    August 9, 2015, 4:01 pm

    ANNIE- “…what many Americans consider to be, potentially, the greatest diplomatic feat in US foreign policy since Nixon’s ’72 trip to China….”

    What an absurd comment. The choice is between a truly rotten deal for Iran and the Iranian people and something even worse. This is a conflict between two sets of warmongers. Israel wants war against Iran now, Obama wants to increase hostilities aimed at Russia, even as he attacks Syria by air. This isn’t a question of war or peace, it is a question of who we attack first. The empire is on a rampage and you are touting Obama’s diplomacy? Jeez.

    • JWalters
      August 9, 2015, 7:28 pm

      Dust, fog, and mud.

    • Sibiriak
      August 10, 2015, 3:29 pm

      Keith: This is a conflict between two sets of warmongers
      —————

      True. But that undermines that notion that the U.S. is basically or potentially a benevolent nation that has been infected and corrupted by a foreign pathology–Zionism.

      “America First”, after all, must have a solid foundation.

    • ziusudra
      August 11, 2015, 10:34 am

      Greetings Keith,
      (Iran Accord)…. a great diplomatical feat…….

      There are many problamatical theaters on the globe.
      This won over accord saved the ME & Levant. That’s a
      vast & geo-strategic area to secure peaceful means
      for the globe.
      This was easy for Iran playing along so long knowing
      that agreeing to what they ne’er had any attention of
      doing! Perhaps they studied Kafka?
      How can the Globe sanction the Rep. Politicians of the
      US & King Bibi along with his Likud Party for insurrection
      against Mankind?
      ziusudra

      • Keith
        August 11, 2015, 3:06 pm

        ZIUSUDRA- “This won over accord saved the ME & Levant.”

        Surely you jest, Dr. Pangloss? Funny, I thought that the entire region was in flames.

      • ziusudra
        August 12, 2015, 6:03 am

        Greeting Keith,
        By ME, i meant Iran & lessening of the escalation in Iraq.
        By Levant, i meant Palestine, Lebanon & Syria, even
        though Syria is strangled momentarily.
        The fall of Iran will cause the fall of Israel along with the
        North African countries in turmoil, nothing positive
        could come out of it for anybody.
        Not even the US & Euro could restructure the contiguous
        Region for yrs to come.
        ziusudra
        PS Not even King Bibi would be around to beg fo mor ammo.

  13. brokebook
    August 9, 2015, 4:32 pm

    “Crossing a Line to Sell a Deal” There seems to be no limits to audacity with these people who recognize no ones boundaries but liberally impose them on all others.

  14. ritzl
    August 9, 2015, 4:33 pm

    Great article, Annie. Thanks. Important.

  15. Kay24
    August 9, 2015, 4:37 pm

    It seems Brazil is not too happy with Israel either. They are going to omit the word Israel from the passports of those born in Jerusalem, just like the US other nations. The zionists are desperately trying to convince the world that Jerusalem is theirs, and must be recognized, the chutzpah trying to claim something that is not theirs is unbelievable.

    “Brazilian passports of citizens who were born in Jerusalem will no longer name Israel as country of birth, the foreign ministry in Brasilia decided.
    The decision to omit Israel from such documents was taken last year, the Brazilian embassy in Tel Aviv told the Folha de Sao Paulo daily, which published an article on the subject on Thursday, but only recently reached Brazilian media, alerted to the change in policy by Brazilian Israelis.
    The United States, Canada and France also omit Israel from passports for holders born in Jerusalem, stating only the city’s name.”

    Last paragraph:

    “Brazilian-Israeli relations have deteriorated in recent years, as Brasilia under the ruling Socialist Workers’ Party has  vocally condemned what it considered Israeli violations of international law.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.670318

    • inbound39
      August 9, 2015, 7:32 pm

      Lol….Netanyahu will be busting at the seams. He was on Haaretz the other day praising Danny Danyans appointment as new ambassador to Brazil expecting to broaden economic ties….lol

      • Kay24
        August 9, 2015, 9:51 pm

        True that. I think he is half nutty, expecting the world to come around and accept Jerusalem as part of Israel, because they keep saying so, building wherever they please, and trying to make it Israel’s capital. Not even their benefactor and arms supplier, the US, recognizes it. It is such a pleasure to see Booby man bust at the seams. Lol.

      • Citizen
        August 11, 2015, 12:52 am

        During the Fox GOP “debate.” Cruz said if POTUS, he’d ASAP move US embassy to Jerusalem. No pick up on main media review, mostly full of Trump suggesting Meghan Kelly was on her period. Nothing like the US press for self-censorship.

      • Kay24
        August 11, 2015, 8:21 am

        Citizen, you are right, but then his zionist donors would have made a note of that! He is trying to please them, woo them, and get their support.

  16. Kris
    August 9, 2015, 4:42 pm

    Congrats and thanks, Annie! Excellent article.

  17. yourstruly
    August 9, 2015, 4:48 pm

    Regardless of their religious or political persuasion, we should go after all these Israel-firsters. For starters they should be primaried out of office next year. As for the WH “crossing a line to sell the deal”, turns out that it’s these same Israel-firsters, by their raising the issue of antisemitism where there is none, who are doing the line-crossing. Win or lose in their attempt to bring on an Iran war, Israel-firsters are setting themselves up for a significant and well-deserved backlash.

    • just
      August 9, 2015, 4:53 pm

      +1, yourstruly!

    • Citizen
      August 11, 2015, 12:53 am

      Naw, for that Dick & Jane would have to wake up.

      • yourstruly
        August 11, 2015, 7:15 pm

        body bags with the remains of Americans just might wake them up

  18. Bornajoo
    August 9, 2015, 5:11 pm

    Superb article Annie. One of the best I’ve ever read dealing with *sensitive* issue, especially when you have hords of zios looking at every word and every phrase you write to try and pin that same old accusation on you.

    It’s so shameful and pathetic that they continually resort to that same false defence of their rotten behaviour time and time and time again. Schumer, aipac etc al are acting as agents of a foreign country and it’s obvious where their real loyalty lies. But they charge anyone and everyone with anti semitism who even dares mention this, including the President himself! Eventually it just won’t work any more and the quicker we reach that point the better.

    In the meantime I suppose we have to continue to suffer with Hophmi and the mob and I’m sure one of them will be along soon (quadruple yawn)

    Many thanks for saying what NEEDED to be said

    • Annie Robbins
      August 10, 2015, 1:38 pm

      thank you so much bornajoo ;) it’s wonderful hearing so much appreciation.

    • Citizen
      August 11, 2015, 12:55 am

      Yes, Annie is priceless.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 11, 2015, 8:55 am

        citizen, speaking of priceless, not sure if you noticed the (longish) comment i just left you downthread. it’s a joke — you inspired me!

  19. JWalters
    August 9, 2015, 6:54 pm

    “Calling it Jew-baiting (as Tablet did just two weeks ago) is a form of blackmail.”

    Compared to President Obama’s clear, thorough, and specific speech at American University ( http://www.c-span.org/video/?327464-2/president-obama-remarks-iran-nuclear-agreement ) it’s obvious that critics of the international agreement with Iran are being extremely irrational. And they are all educated and intelligent enough to know better. So WHY are they being so irrational?

    For newer Mondoweiss readers not familiar with the following testimony, consider this segment of a 1998 interview with Kay Griggs, former wife of the U.S. Army’s director of assassination training.

    Kay Griggs: “Even when he [General Al Gray] was General he ran an intelligence operation which was a contract organization [i.e. private company] trying to hook politicians, and get them … what is the word? In other words …”

    Interviewer: “In compromising situations?”

    Kay Griggs: “Yes, yes. He had and still has an organization which brings in whores, prostitutes, whatever you want to say, who will compromise politicians so they can be used.”

    The above starts at 48:00 in the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-SEA9W6pmA
    (Part 2 of interview)

    In an earlier part of the interview (Part 1) she explains the motives behind this.

    Kay Griggs: “I’m talking about the Brooklyn-New Jersey mob. My husband, Al Gray, Sheehan, they’re all Brooklyn. Cap Weinberger, Heinz Kissinger – there’s the Boston mob, which was shipping weapons back and forth to Northern Ireland. And I don’t want to get too deeply involved in that, but it goes – Israel – some of the Zionists who came over from Germany, according to my husband, were – he works with those people – they do a lot of money laundering in the banks, cash transactions for the drugs they’re bringing over, through Latin America, the Southern Mafia, the Dixie Mafia, which now my husband’s involved with in Miami. The military are all involved once they retire. They’re – you know, they go into this drug and secondary weapon sales.”

    The above starts soon after 18:00 in the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQNitCNycKQ (Part 1 of interview)

    Further on the following exchange occurs.

    Interviewer: “And directly under whose instructions to sell these weapons, do you know that?”

    Kay Griggs: “Yeah.”

    Interviewer: “Okay, who would that be?”

    Kay Griggs: “Well, uh, [pause] it’s the Israeli-Zionist group in New York.”

    The above starts at 1:06:45 in the same video.

    Shortly afterward she makes the following statement.

    Kay Griggs: “[T]hey had been baiting, you know using the Israeli rogues in Turkey. They were having little zig-zag wars. It’s all to sell weapons. It’s all about weapons sales, it’s all about drugs, it’s all about funny money.”

    Other segments of Kay Griggs’ interview deal with the use of murder to control people.

    A severely blackmailed person might rather look like an irrational ignoramous than have their entire personal and professional life destroyed. Financial carrots combined with serious blackmail threats could easily explain WHY a reasonably intelligent and educated person would “willingly” appear to be ignorant and irrational. A strategic system of blackmail of the sort Kay Griggs described could easily explain a phalanx of politicians and ex-military men lying in lockstep to American voters.

    And then suppose such a criminal gang also had controlling ownership of America’s major media outlets.

  20. lyn117
    August 9, 2015, 7:42 pm

    The accusations are no surprise either, since zionists have been accusing anyone faintly critical of Israel or the Israel lobby of being anti-semitic for as long as I can remember.

    The deal doesn’t actually harm Israel, and is surely better for Israel than a war which would weaken the U.S. as much or more than the Iraq war. Those who oppose the deal because they’re loyal to Israel aren’t really doing Israel any favors. Speaking from my realist point of view. I might like to see Israel dragged down to where it will actually agree to equal rights for Palestinians (including the right of return) but I don’t wish the U.S. to be dragged down with it.

  21. traintosiberia
    August 9, 2015, 8:24 pm

    40 millions money aren’t money according to Tablet
    ADL, AIPAC, UANI, FDD, ECI, and IP, are not Zionist interest based according to Israel
    Kristol,Krauthammer,Kagan ,Schumer, and Menendez,Cotton, Cruz, Rubio ate not the faces of the Zionist and the Zionist money respectively according to Tablet.

    Zionist have not been arguing to topple and bomb and nuke Iran at different times over last 20 yrs according to Tablet.

    According to Tablet – these are the sincere desires of common Americans but they don’t know

  22. hophmi
    August 9, 2015, 8:27 pm

    It is without a doubt bigoted.

    Look, this is really simple. Tell me how many times you’ve seen a Republican Senator voting against the deal referred to as “Christian Senator so-and-so.”. And yet, Schumer is now routinely referred to as, to quote NPR, ” the most powerful Jewish Democrat.”. That’s bigotry, pure and simple.

    • Annie Robbins
      August 9, 2015, 8:39 pm

      http://www.jta.org/2014/09/09/news-opinion/politics/amid-declining-jewish-caucus-in-congress-rising-concerns-over-communal-influence

      Amid declining Jewish caucus in Congress, rising concerns over communal influence

      Jewish House members, present and past, clockwise from top left, John Yarmuth, Nita Lowey, Jerrold Nadler, Henry Waxman, Brad Sherman and Howard Berman. (house.gov)

      WASHINGTON (JTA) – From 31 in 2009 to a likely 19 in January, the unofficial Jewish caucus in the U.S. House of Representatives is shrinking fast.

      Jewish lawmakers have traditionally been the first stop for Jewish lobbyists seeking inroads for their issues, including Israel, preserving the social safety net, and keeping church and state separate. Additionally, lawmakers generally seek guidance from colleagues most invested in an issue.

      Fewer Jewish lawmakers means the community could lose influence in areas where its voice has been preeminent.

      “The Jewish community is going to have to work harder,” said one veteran official who has worked both as a professional in the Jewish community and a staffer for a Jewish lawmaker.

      The 31 figure was the highest Jewish representation ever in the House, matched only in the early 1990s. The numbers dropped in part because of victories by the Tea Party wave of conservative Republicans in 2010 and a spate of retirements by veteran lawmakers elected in the 1970s and ’80s.

      “We’ve lost a lot of seniority,” said the congressional staffer who asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue, noting in particular the retirement this year of Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), the senior Democrat on the Energy Committee, elected in 1974 and the dean of the unofficial Jewish caucus.

      The lower profile of Jewish lawmakers is seen as well in the context of shifts in how Democrats — traditionally the redoubt of Jewish voters — are treating Israel. These have been exacerbated by tensions between the administrations of President Obama and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

      “You saw that article in the New Yorker that said ‘Bibi has a Republican view of the world,’ ” one Jewish Democratic insider said, referring to a recent story on shifting perceptions of the AIPAC pro-Israel lobby that roiled the professional Jewish community in Washington.

      “That resonated,” said the insider, who also spoke anonymously because of the sensitivity of the issue.

      But Jewish lawmakers likely to be re-elected told JTA that a smaller Jewish caucus should not be cause for alarm.

      Jewish representation is still strong in Congress, and we are serving in positions of influence,” Rep. Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.), the senior Democrat on the powerful Appropriations Committee, told JTA in an email.

      Lowey also insisted that Jewish values would continue to be represented by House Democrats, who are pushing such issues as “access to quality education, college affordability, sensible gun safety measures to keep our communities safe, access to affordable health care, and addressing climate change.”

      In addition to Lowey, Jewish leaders in the House include Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.), the senior Democrat on the Foreign Affairs Committee, and Rep. Sandy Levin (D-Mich.), the senior Democrat on the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee.

      Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) said 19 members — 4 percent of the body — was still about twice the estimated Jewish representation in the population. In addition, Jews have constituted 10 percent of the Senate, a proportion not likely to shift after the midterms in November.

      “We still, compared to other religious and ethnic minorities, have far beyond our percentage in the population,” she said in an interview.

      Waxman said Jews in Congress, in both parties, made valuable contributions both on their community’s behalf and to the country.

      “For the most part, Jewish members in Congress have lived up to what Hillel had to say when he said that if I am not for myself, who will be for me, and if I am not for others, who am I,” he told JTA.

      “We care about issues of particular Jewish concern such as Israel, anti-Semitism, our Jewish brethren in other countries, the fight for Soviet Jews to be able to emigrate to Israel or anywhere else. But there are other issues I consider Jewish issues as well, which is to fight for a more just society for everyone to succeed to the extent their abilities will take them, that every child should have health care and education and not have impediments such as as an inability to move from class to the other.”

      Other leaders who have left the stage in recent years include Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.), the House majority leader felled by a Tea Party-associated challenger in a primary earlier this year and the sole Jewish Republican in Congress; Rep. Tom Lantos (D-Calif.), the Holocaust survivor who was the body’s preeminent voice on human rights, who died in 2008; Rep. Howard Berman (D-Calif.), the one-time chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee who lost an election in 2012; and Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.), who until he retired in 2012 was the top Democrat on the Middle East subcommittee.

      A measure of the shrinking caucus is that it’s not at all clear yet which member will succeed Waxman in convening occasional informal meetings of Jewish members, according to congressional insiders.

      A number of younger Jewish members are rising through the ranks — Rep. Ted Deutch (D-Fla.) succeeded Ackerman in helming Democrats on the Middle East subcommittee.

      “We need to encourage more Jews to run,” Schakowsky acknowledged.

      Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif.), one of the lead Israel champions in the House, said support for Israel was undiminished. He noted the overwhelming vote last month to add $225 million to existing funding for Iron Dome, the anti-missile system that protected Israelis during the recent Israel-Hamas war in the Gaza Strip.

      “Look at the Iron Dome vote,” he said. “Four Republicans and four Democrats voted against. Support for Israel is at a very high level.”

      Nonetheless, pro-Israel groups have noted the tendency among Democrats in particular — and Jewish Democrats among them — to criticize Israel in tougher tones than was imaginable a decade ago.

      During the recent Gaza war, Rep. John Yarmuth (D-Ky.), who is Jewish, told MSNBC, “I fail to see what an Israeli incursion into Gaza, how that’s going to solve the long-term problem. Gaza is itself a problem and the Palestinians are essentially quarantined there; that’s the polite word.”

      In that July 26 broadcast, he called the civilian deaths in Gaza a “tragedy of enormous proportions.”

      more at the link. go whine to JTA for starting these anti semitic rumors about jewish caucuses and jewish leadership and jews in congress.

      • hophmi
        August 9, 2015, 9:52 pm

        Oh, please. That’s the JTA, not the MSM. You are a piece of work. Obviously, Christian publications or news services would discuss the religion of the politicians they cover. I’m talking about MSM outlets like the NY Times.

        And don’t lecture me about whining. This whole site whines about the media 24/7.

      • PeaceThroughJustice
        August 10, 2015, 12:18 am

        “… who asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of the issue”

        LOL What exactly do you think he was worried about, Hops? Was he embarrassed about “preserving the social safety net”?

      • Mooser
        August 10, 2015, 11:19 am

        “Oh, please. That’s the JTA, not the MSM. “

        Annie, you are one heck of a piece of work, as Hophmi says! Look, Annie, it is evident that Hophmi has been very honest about the fact that there is one set of rules for us Jews, and another set for everybody else (see My People vs. Everybody Else for the case-law) and you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge it.

        And furthermore, Annie, who gave you permission to read JTA stuff?

      • Annie Robbins
        August 10, 2015, 11:53 am

        exactly mooser, if the msm published the JTA’s article it would be “without a doubt bigoted.” it just goes to show if you want to appear as completely pc and un-bigoted as possible DO NOT take your cues from jewish publications – because they are the WORST when it comes to anti semitism.

        plus, just because Jewish House members have their own (unofficial of course!) congressional Jewish caucus that Jewish lobbyists seeking inroads for their Jewish issues (“including Israel and preserving the Jewish social safety net) – traditionally the first stop for Jewish lawmakers seeking guidance from Jewish colleagues most invested in an issue – doesn’t mean the msm should reference them as jewish. because THAT would be “without a doubt bigoted.”

      • eGuard
        August 10, 2015, 1:09 pm

        hophmi, it was Netanyahu who uses “the Jews” as an argument in this.

      • Citizen
        August 11, 2015, 1:21 am

        @ hophmi

        Goys shall not engage in public or private Jewish Geography.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 11, 2015, 7:47 am

        Goys shall not engage in public or private Jewish Geography.

        citizen, this reminds me – RoHa just linked to a writing blog’s tutorial on 7 rules NOT to use commas. one of the embeds was to a commas rules graphic poster ( http://blog.writeathome.com/index.php/2013/01/comma-rules-graphic-poste/ unfortunately i can’t read the poster because the font is too small and it doesn’t expand when i click on it and using my keyboard’s command/plus only enlarges the font on the page, not the poster, and there’s no embed on the page leading to the rules sans the poster, but oh well) and it just occurred to me how helpful it would be to have a simple rules graphic regarding the confusing geographical territory of which you speak.

        obviously we can’t take our cues from a publication such as jta, tablet, the forward etc. and for editors of non jewish publications (or maybe just non jewish editors on all publications? you see what i mean? so confusing) there should be clear guidelines. but if it was in the form of a graphic teachers could place it on the wall or above ones desk at home or even a pocket size, or an app on your cell phone! but i don’t like the word goy so it would have to be a different word. just ‘rules for non jews referencing jewish linguistic geography’?

        anyway, there could be a section on appropriate usage on how or when to address a jewish politicians ethnicity — or not. after all, if they can do it for commas — why not?

        however i was even more confused in the comment section when, in response to a readers question, the blog’s author said lots of writers were no longer using commas at all and that was perfectly fine too! oh heavens, think of all the pitfalls we have to navigate in todays world — or not.

        ;)

      • RoHa
        August 11, 2015, 9:08 am

        An excellent idea! It would really help those of us who are not qualified to speak on such matters.

        Perhaps you could get Bob the Angry Flower to help. Something along these lines:

        http://www.angryflower.com/247.html

    • echinococcus
      August 9, 2015, 8:57 pm

      Yeah, of course the possibly-Christian senators voting against are being called “the Christian senator XYZ” because they have been voting in response to a general, relentless campaign by the Christian State Chief Crusader, after having declared clear and loud that they are the guardian of the Christian State, they give a BJ to the Crusader in chief of the Christian state every morning even if they say they don’t like his policies, and they always disregard any obvious interest of the US when it deviates from the Christian State dictate. Oh, and of course their Jewish colleagues who voted along, pockets bursting with Christian Lobby millions, are not mentioned, because that’s what any senator does for a living.
      I don’t envy your job, Hophmi –I mean the cross you have to bear for a living.

      • hophmi
        August 9, 2015, 9:54 pm

        Well, there are 1.5 billion Christians who are the majority in dozens of States, many of which discriminate against minorities and have histories of colonialism. So again, you’re a privileged, oblivious bigot.

      • CigarGod
        August 10, 2015, 8:53 am

        Do you realize how pathetic your responses are when you have nothing, yet think you can bluff?

    • CigarGod
      August 9, 2015, 9:09 pm

      You dope.
      Point to a Christian Nation any of our congresspeople have dual loyalty to…and openly advocate for…against our President. Etc. Etc. Etc.

      • hophmi
        August 9, 2015, 9:54 pm

        See Vatican, Abortion.

      • CigarGod
        August 10, 2015, 8:49 am

        Wrong.
        No dual loyalty, no dual citizenship. No, no usa congress people siding with vatican…against usa and president and advocating for war.
        Dont try to pretzel and include diplomatic missions.

      • talknic
        August 9, 2015, 11:26 pm

        The Vatican is not a nation hophmi.

        Lay off the stupid juice

      • RoHa
        August 10, 2015, 5:02 am

        Actually, the Vatican is a nation. (P-nation, in RoHa’s terminology.) The Lateran Treaty established it as an independent state.

      • talknic
        August 10, 2015, 6:38 am

        @ RoHa The Lateran Treaty established it as an independent state. However it seems once one’s appointment expires, folk’re no longer citizens, reverting to their original Nationality. I can’t find anything comparable in any other ‘nation’

      • RoHa
        August 10, 2015, 8:48 am

        Interesting citizenship laws do not stop it from being a nation. I know of one nation that is contemplating revoking citizenship for those who fight with ISIS, and another which offers citizenship to any passing Jew.

      • CigarGod
        August 10, 2015, 9:38 am

        Hophmi diverted from his original post. I didnt declare it wasnt a state.

      • hophmi
        August 10, 2015, 8:56 am

        The Holy See is indeed a state. The Church, of course, is an empire which counts a billion people as its followers.

      • CigarGod
        August 10, 2015, 9:34 am

        Dude, now you are trying to recover by dodging your own post. You started it, man. Cowboy up.

      • Donald
        August 10, 2015, 9:16 am

        “See Vatican, abortion”

        Not sure what point you think you are making. Yes you are replying to Cigargod, but in a way that doesn’t help your larger case. On issues like abortion people often talk about the Christian Right , the CatholicChurch, and the religion of a politician if it motivates his stance on an issue. This has been part of politics and the reporting and discussion of it for decades.

      • CigarGod
        August 10, 2015, 9:22 am

        The only point he is making is, he is a bluffer, dodger…and a waste of time.

      • hophmi
        August 10, 2015, 1:52 pm

        I mean, it’s also completely beside the point. Defining the advocacy of a strong US-Israel relationship as dual loyalty is itself antisemitic. But you’re welcome to read Schumer’s long defense of his position, and point out to me where the parts are where he says that he cares more about Israel than he does the United States.

        It is an old American bigot’s game to ascribe dual loyalty positions to people of minority ethnicities, religions, races, or nationalities. It’s something you expect from KKK members, not self-styled human rights activists and not from radical leftists. But politics has come full circle. The radical left and the radical right are in league on this one. And Phil Weiss, a radical leftist who used to work for Pat Buchanan, a radical rightist, is the embodiment of that evil alliance.

      • Donald
        August 10, 2015, 3:18 pm

        “Defining the advocacy of a strong US-Israel relationship as dual loyalty is itself antisemitic. ”

        I don’t have strong feelings about dual loyalty one way or the other–if Israel were this wonderful democracy with a superb human rights record I’d probably be feeling a bit of dual loyalty myself.
        It’s not. If Israel were this hypothetical country with the perfect human rights record and our President was urging policies that would likely lead to war with Iran against the more peaceful wishes of the hypothetical Israeli PM in this alternate universe, I’d want my senators to side with the Israeli PM. We don’t happen to live in that universe.

        The point is that politicians sometimes take positions because of their religious affiliation or because they are pressured to do so by people with a religious affiliation and it is perfectly okay to point this out. It happens all the time with abortion and Christians, the example you brought up for some reason, though it works against your case. And btw, just as not all Christians have the same view on gay rights or abortion, not all Jews have the same views on Iran or Palestine or Israel, but it is still okay to point out that (rightwing) Christian pressure leads some politicians to take particular positions.

      • RoHa
        August 10, 2015, 5:57 pm

        “Defining the advocacy of a strong US-Israel relationship as dual loyalty is itself antisemitic.”

        As is everything. However, advocating such a relationship when that would be detrimental to the U.S. does look like support for Israel over the U.S.

        “It is an old American bigot’s game to ascribe dual loyalty positions to people of minority ethnicities, religions, races, or nationalities.”

        But when people demonstrate dual loyalty, ascribing it to them is not bigotry. It is recognition of reality.

      • echinococcus
        August 11, 2015, 2:33 pm

        I have an objection to RoHa’s terminology. The Vatican is certainly a state, probably a country; it is beyond doubt a state without a nation.

    • just
      August 9, 2015, 9:18 pm

      bs, hophmi. He’s very proud of that himself. How many times has Schumer held up his creds as “a shomer for Israel”?

      The Republicans are lost in the sauce of big bucks and Ziocaine and are completely crazy, and if you need further evidence, read this:

      “Inside a CUFI Summit: Christian Zionists dance the hora and prepare for end times in Washington DC” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/christian-zionists-washington#sthash.YYsUvNnq.dpuf

      No Democrats were there speaking or proselytizing, although some were probably itching in their britches to be there. The very same ones that love and want to follow Netanyahu and Dermer into the very next bloody disaster in the ME with no skin and none of their children in the ‘game’.

      • hophmi
        August 9, 2015, 9:55 pm

        You guys continue to defend anti Jewish bigotry. Won’t help the Palestinians.

      • Kay24
        August 9, 2015, 9:58 pm

        I wish there were protests outside Schumer’s office, and they should hold up posters saying “Schumer, time to be shomer for your own country, the USA not Israel.”

      • talknic
        August 9, 2015, 11:28 pm

        @ hophmi “You guys continue to defend anti Jewish bigotry”

        Unsupported accusations are worthless hophmi.. Put your evidence up

      • Kay24
        August 10, 2015, 7:16 am

        And Hoppy you continue to defend a long term occupier, who has been condemned for crimes against humanity, has broken numerous UN resolutions, and kills on a daily basis.

        Won’t help the Palestinians.

    • traintosiberia
      August 9, 2015, 10:34 pm

      The deal is not about Christianity.
      Bush ,for your information was repeatedly referred to as born again,as evangelical,as someone almost bigoted .

    • talknic
      August 9, 2015, 11:19 pm

      @ hophmi One can be Jewish without believing in Judaism One can be an Arab Jew, an American Jew, an atheist Jew, a Chinese Jew. The same cannot be said of Christians. One simply cannot be a Christian and not believe in Christianity.

      Go moan to the Jewish Agency, JTA et al

      • hophmi
        August 10, 2015, 8:55 am

        Talknic, that’s got to be the dumbest defense of antisemitism that I’ve ever read. What putrid nonsense.

      • RoHa
        August 10, 2015, 9:34 am

        Oh, poo. He’s not defending anti-Semitism. He’s just pointing out the different implications of the terms “Christian” and “Jewish”.

      • hophmi
        August 10, 2015, 12:19 pm

        “Oh, poo. He’s not defending anti-Semitism. He’s just pointing out the different implications of the terms “Christian” and “Jewish”.”

        And his argument is ridiculous. There are many people who would define themselves as Christian who may not believe in all of the tenets of Christianity or all of the dictates of their particular Church.

        Senator Schumer released a 2000 word explanation of his vote, and none of it had anything to do with his Jewishness. The practice of referring to elected officials by their religion, particularly when it’s not done evenly, is a BAD practice for the MSM to engage in. It’s an exercise in racism, ethnocentrism, and bigotry.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 10, 2015, 1:19 pm

        Senator Schumer released a 2000 word explanation of his vote, and none of it had anything to do with his Jewishness.

        ah huh, and i also read he didn’t mention israel once in that 2000 word explanation. someone recently wrote, and i can’t recall who, the omission was glaring.

      • hophmi
        August 10, 2015, 1:54 pm

        “ah huh, and i also read he didn’t mention israel once in that 2000 word explanation. someone recently wrote, and i can’t recall who, the omission was glaring.”

        So Schumer talks about Israel, and you call him dually loyal. If he doesn’t talk about Israel, you suggest that it’s a glaring omission. Seems like you’re wedded to the idea that when Jewish politicians talk about Israel, they’re dually loyal, and when they don’t, they’re hiding their dual loyalty.

        Sounds like old-time bigotry to me.

      • eljay
        August 10, 2015, 2:50 pm

        || hophmi: … The practice of referring to elected officials by their religion … ||

        There you go again, reducing Jewish to just a religion, when it’s just as likely that he was being referred to by his ethnicity (given that Jewish is also an ethnicity), his peoplehood (what, you’ve never heard of the Jewish people?) and/or his nationality (given that Jewish is also a nation).

      • ziusudra
        August 12, 2015, 6:47 am

        Greetings talknic,
        … be Jewish w/o believing in Judaism….

        is possible because of the ‘rubberband’ terms
        of Jew & Judaism, it remains murky.
        They see themselves as Jewish People & Jewish
        believers.

        An American citizen, born of Jewish parentage
        considering himself apostate.
        ziusudra
        PS After King Bibi sets up his Jewish Theocracy,
        don’t try in Israel!

      • talknic
        August 14, 2015, 7:12 pm

        The Jewish State also recognizes Jews other than by religion. According to poor hophmi’s weird theory the State of Israel is Anti-semitic. AMAZING!!!

        hophmi ” his argument is ridiculous. There are many people who would define themselves as Christian who may not believe in all of the tenets of Christianity or all of the dictates of their particular Church.”

        My argument? Strange I didn’t use your word, “all”! Making a false assertion to make point in defense of a false accusation seems to be standard Israeli apologist MO

      • echinococcus
        August 14, 2015, 7:35 pm

        Eljay:

        In addition to being a religion, an ethnicity, a people, and a nation Jewish seems also to be a State, as per “Israel”, and a state equivalent to the amorphous state as described in biology. The preferred state of our revered colleague Hophmi and many others. Ready to become each of the above or any combination thereof, and deny being any of the other ones in a split second.

    • Sibiriak
      August 10, 2015, 12:01 am

      hophmi: Schumer is now routinely referred to as, to quote NPR, ” the most powerful Jewish Democrat.”. That’s bigotry, pure and simple.
      ——————————

      No more bigoted than referring to “the most powerful black Democrat.”

      Your line of argument is sophistry. You need to compared apples with apples. You need to compare Jews to another minority social grouping. Because blacks in the U.S. are a distinct minority, they have special interests, and it makes perfect sense to identify black leaders. Not so for whites.

      Similarly for Jews. Jews (ethnic group) make up just over 2% of the U.S. population. They are a distinct minority. It makes perfect sense to identify “Jewish “ leaders, just as it would be to identity Muslim leaders, especially if that identification was highly relevant to a particular issue. Christians (religious group), in contrast, make up over 80% of the U.S. population. There is generally no more reason to identify “Christian” leaders as there is to identify “white” leaders.

      • hophmi
        August 10, 2015, 8:54 am

        If they’re talking about an African-American issue or bringing on a Black representative to represent the CBC.

        The Iran deal is not an exclusively Jewish issue, and Schumer isn’t being brought on to talk on behalf of a Jewish caucus. He’s being essentialized as a Jew in order to blame the Jewish community when the fact is that most Senators who oppose the Iran deal are Christians, not Jews.

      • Mooser
        August 10, 2015, 3:56 pm

        “Similarly for Jews. Jews (ethnic group) make up just over 2% of the U.S. population. They are a distinct minority.”

        Hard to be a “distinct minority” when the out-marriage rate is well over 50%, too! And when (unlike the African-Americans) you haven’t been at any time, considered chattel, non-persons, or 2nd-class persons by the state, so there isn’t a common history of legal discrimination.
        And yet we manage it. Just shows to go you. We have created our own ethnic group out of ourselves.

      • ziusudra
        August 12, 2015, 6:49 am

        Greetings Sibiriak,
        Now that’s an arguement, makes sense,bravo.
        ziusudra

    • eljay
      August 10, 2015, 8:13 am

      || hophmi: … Tell me how many times you’ve seen a Republican Senator voting against the deal referred to as “Christian Senator so-and-so.”. And yet, Schumer is now routinely referred to as, to quote NPR, ” the most powerful Jewish Democrat.”. That’s bigotry, pure and simple. ||

      When it suits their purposes, Zio-supremacists will tell you that Jewish is much more than just a religion: It’s a tribe, a culture, an ethnicity, a people, a nation and a civilization.

      But when it suits their purposes, Zio-supremacists are mighty quick to reduce Jewish to just a religion.

      That’s interesting, pure and simple.

      • Bornajoo
        August 10, 2015, 9:35 am

        “When it suits their purposes, Zio-supremacists will tell you that Jewish is much more than just a religion: It’s a tribe, a culture, an ethnicity, a people, a nation and a civilization.

        But when it suits their purposes, Zio-supremacists are mighty quick to reduce Jewish to just a religion.

        That’s interesting, pure and simple.” (Eljay)

        +1 Eljay! Absolutely spot on. That’s precisely the tactic used.

      • CigarGod
        August 10, 2015, 9:41 am

        Yep, Hophmi ran off on a tangent, again.

      • RoHa
        August 10, 2015, 10:43 am

        “Yep, Hophmi ran off on a tangent, again.”

        I don’t think he did. He was prating about antI-Semitism. As he usually does. Round and round in a circle.

      • hophmi
        August 10, 2015, 12:13 pm

        “+1 Eljay! Absolutely spot on. That’s precisely the tactic used.”

        And precisely not the point, unless you’re looking to treat Jews differently from everyone else.

        And of course, the idiocy of Eljay’s statement shows once again how Christianity, which is the religion of the vast majority of people living in West, is treated differently for that reason alone; the hegemonic majority usually doesn’t recognize its privilege.

        “I don’t think he did. He was prating about antI-Semitism. As he usually does. Round and round in a circle.”

        I think RoHa isn’t qualified to speak on antisemitism, which, judging from his other comments here, he knows nothing about, other than that Jews are the ones to blame for it.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 10, 2015, 1:26 pm

        unless you’re looking to treat Jews differently from everyone else.

        only jews are allowed to treat Jews differently from everyone else!

      • eljay
        August 10, 2015, 2:19 pm

        || hophmi: … And of course, the idiocy of Eljay’s statement … ||

        My statement is factual. The idiocy is entirely yours.

      • RoHa
        August 11, 2015, 6:27 am

        I don’t need to know much about anti-Semitism to know that Hophmi keeps banging on about it.

  23. Les
    August 9, 2015, 8:52 pm

    American Jews at the Service of Netanyahu

    Who are U.S. Jewish leaders really representing when they lobby the American president on behalf of Israel’s prime minister? Not their fellow countrymen, for sure.

    Uri Misgav Aug 09, 2015 5:49 PM

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has declared jihad on the U.S. president and the Iran nuclear accord, bringing things to a climax this past week. There’s no point expecting him to take stock following the debacle or consider its ramifications. Netanyahu doesn’t recognize the concept of introspection or the…

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.670275

    • straightline
      August 10, 2015, 6:05 pm

      Yes we’re lucky to have Annie – but also Haaretz. Where will you read this in US media?

  24. PeaceThroughJustice
    August 9, 2015, 10:07 pm

    Boy, we’re lucky to have Annie.

    • Brewer
      August 10, 2015, 3:01 am

      Yup. Is she married?

    • Annie Robbins
      August 10, 2015, 4:32 am

      too sweet both of you. i’m blushing.

      and no, i’m like…impossibly incorrigible.

      • Mooser
        August 10, 2015, 2:07 pm

        Annie, I think you should consider marrying both of them! And I must say, that’s big of me.

      • Brewer
        August 10, 2015, 9:16 pm

        Ooooh Annie. Beat me, spank me, impossibly incorrige me, read me some of your prose – I’m on fire!

  25. PeaceThroughJustice
    August 9, 2015, 10:10 pm

    OMG! This sounds scary–
    “Iran Already Sanitizing Nuclear Site, Intel Warns”
    by Josh Rogin & Eli Lake
    http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-08-05/iran-already-sanitizing-parchin-nuclear-site-intel-warns
    http://www.rferl.org/content/why-parchin-central-to-iran-nuclear-crisis/27178552.html

    “The Parchin military facility is back at center stage in the Iran nuclear crisis as new satellite images show vehicles and container-like objects being moved near a location where Iran is suspected of conducting past nuclear-related tests. … “

    I suspect we’re going to be seeing a lot of stories like this. Even if the coming veto is upheld (which I personally think is doubtful), just forcing a veto will be a huge success for the forces of war, since it transforms the deal into something highly controversial in the public’s mind. The warmongers can wait — just as the campaign to sell the Iraq war was a multi-year effort, Americans will just be showered with stories like this until they finally just throw up their hands and say go ahead. Remember the laptop “evidence” of prior weapons development? There’s always plenty more where that came from.

    (BTW, the current story appears to originate with David Albright.)

    We’re an occupied country and I’m afraid this little skirmish over the veto isn’t going to end it. They’ve still got 30% of our economy and 80% of our media so why should they stop?

    • Annie Robbins
      August 10, 2015, 4:31 am

      peace thru justice, i was just reading about eli lake..

      Eli Lake Rejects Obama’s “Politics of Fear”

      http://www.lobelog.com/eli-lake-rejects-obamas-politics-of-fear/

      great read, and he links to greenwald:

      What did Camstoll do for these millions of dollars? They spent enormous of amounts of time cajoling friendly reporters to plant anti-Qatar stories, and they largely succeeded. Their strategy was clear: target neocon/pro-Israel writers such as the Daily Beast‘s Eli Lake, Free Beacon‘s Alana Goodman, Iran-contra convict Elliott Abrams, The Washington Post‘s Jennifer Rubin, and American Enterprise Institute’s Michael Rubin – all eager to promote theQatar-funds-terrorists line being pushed by Israel. They also targeted establishment media figures such as CNN’s Erin Burnett, Reuters’ Mark Hosenball, and The Washington Post‘s Joby Warrick.

      In the latter half of 2013, Camstoll reported 15 separate contacts with Lake, all on behalf of UAE’s agenda; in the month of December alone, there were 10 separate contacts with Goodman. They also spoke multiple times with Warrick. At the same time, they were speaking on behalf of their Emirates client with their former colleagues who were still working as high-level Treasury officials, including Kate Bauer, the Treasury Department’s Emirates-based Financial Attaché, and Deputy Assistant Secretary Danny McGlynn.

      https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/25/uae-qatar-camstoll-group/

      he’s a hired operative, shocking!

  26. Marnie
    August 10, 2015, 2:33 am

    “Crossing a Line to Sell a Deal” is a cornucopia of accusatory rhetoric in an attempt to paint a big thick red line around words no one is allowed to say in US politics because they’re — anti-Semitic. Those words include

    Murmuring about “money” and “lobbying” and “foreign interests”

    Obama, Tablet says, is raising dual loyalty accusations, the “dark, nasty stuff we might expect to hear at a white power rally.”

    I found this very poor writing or deliberately hateful by Tablet, suggesting President Obama raising loyalty accusations, i.e., “the dark, nasty stuff,” etc. Seriously, are their writers in junior high or mentally challenged in some way?

    This is getting more and more orwellian than I can bear. There must be a book out with acceptable words and forbidden words according to AIPAC, the Jewish Lobby and the “state” of Israel. So long as most Americans are too busy worrying about losing their homes, their jobs, their minds, KUWTK, all things E! and get their news from Fox n’ Friends, I worry very much about the future for all of us. It should be obvious who runs things in America and its not the president (this one’s for you Hophme!) of the United States, its money, lobbying and foreign interests. This is what a country looks like that has been taken over.

    • CigarGod
      August 10, 2015, 8:40 am

      “…book of forbidden words…”

      That would not be consistent with a country of no borders, no constitution, no nukes…

    • hophmi
      August 10, 2015, 8:47 am

      This one’s for me, Marnie? Did your KKK masters tell you to write that?

      • Mooser
        August 10, 2015, 11:40 am

        “This one’s for me, Marnie? Did your KKK masters tell you to write that?”

        Marnie’s KKK masters? Hophmi, old boy, now do you see what happens when I’m not around to divert you with a gentle joke or subtle prod? You find the biggest pile and jump right in with both feet.
        I’m sorry, I’ve had stuff to do, but jeez, I can’t play defense for you for the rest of my life!

      • Marnie
        August 10, 2015, 2:00 pm

        That was brought to you by the holier than thou folks at Tablet Magazine you twit! Did you even read the article?

    • Sibiriak
      August 10, 2015, 1:58 pm

      Marnie: It should be obvious who runs things in America and its not the president (this one’s for you Hophme!) of the United States, its money, lobbying and foreign interests.
      ——————-

      Don’t forget those transnational capitalist class interests. They play a small role too.

  27. Brewer
    August 10, 2015, 2:53 am

    Best ever Annie. Taken just as a piece of writing its right up there, even Hoppy should acknowledge that!! But you have expressed what I, as a non-American am very concerned about.
    Y’know, I once considered becoming an American – back in my yachting days when it would have been a doddle. I had an offer from Anacortes Yacht Charters that would get me a green card. Too many other exciting things to do at the time so I gave it away but I’m not sorry now. In recent years I have detected a huge change in America. The wonderful hospitality and welcome I used to feel when visiting dissipated as America became, it seemed to me, paranoid. And when I look to the underlying causes of this paranoia, I find dual loyalties. The same names keep cropping up. Chertoff, Wolfowitz, Perle, yahda yahda, you know the rest.
    The America I loved back in the day would not have reacted to 911 by curtailing freedom and attacking other States. This behaviour is typical of Israel and, to me, indicates just how deep the penetration is – and it is killing everything good about the U.S.
    The proper response to 911 (in my view) was to accept that freedom has a price and stick with it, that support of a racist, expansionist and ethnic cleansing entity in the Middle East might need a re-think. The U.S. response, crafted by the Neo-Cons (all of whom are Israel-centric) seemed to me to play right into the hands of those who would wish to destroy everything good about America.
    Here is an example of just how differently the U.S. treats its benign allies today:

    Kicked out of the US: 33 hours of hell
    Kiwi journalist Lisa Scott tells of the reality of US border security and how she and her partner were detained, denied a phone call and deprived of their passports.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11494827

    • Annie Robbins
      August 10, 2015, 5:10 am

      oh brewer, that link is so awful. the whole airpot thing here has completely deteriorated because of the security industry post 9/11, it’s taken over. it’s certainly not the place to fly into without paperwork in order, i suppose. but it hasn’t killed everything good about the U.S. because there are still a lot of good people here and many breathtaking places. i sort of live in paradise here in my little pocket of the world.

      but i heard tonight, a year later, the police killed someone else in ferguson. and lately i have been following all the horrendous police killings, it seems like everyday we hear about another and another. it’s almost as if we’re in a race against time to stop this. i can’t, i wish.. i don’t know what to say. it’s very distressing. i just have to keep holding on to the faith i have that justice will prevail. 2 am here in my neck of the woods… maybe tomorrow we can discuss it more. but it does worry me if they get their way on this deal..another war with iran. it does concern me it could lead to the end — a world war. anyway..tomorrow is another day. sleep…

      • amigo
        August 10, 2015, 3:15 pm

        hophmi August 10, 2015, 8:22 am

        What is wrong with you? The United States has curtailed civil liberties in response to every major threat it has ever faced. Alien and Sedition Act of 1798. Suspension of Habeas Corpus during the Civil War. Palmer Raids after WWI. Japanese internment camps during WWII. McCarthyism in the 1950’s. Mass detention and deportation since 9/11.
        – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/semitic-israel-lobby/comment-page-1#comment-788924

        Ok hopknee , may I as an Irish citizen complain about Israel as My country has never ever done any harm to any other nation that has not done harm to us , first.

        Come on hoppy , give us your best shot.Your supervisor is on night shift , if you need advice on this one.

    • hophmi
      August 10, 2015, 8:22 am

      What is wrong with you? The United States has curtailed civil liberties in response to every major threat it has ever faced. Alien and Sedition Act of 1798. Suspension of Habeas Corpus during the Civil War. Palmer Raids after WWI. Japanese internment camps during WWII. McCarthyism in the 1950’s. Mass detention and deportation since 9/11. This ain’t about Israel, which has faced terrorism for 80 years and continues to be a liberal democracy in a way that America never would be if it had to confront a similar level of terrorism.

      • eljay
        August 10, 2015, 10:42 am

        || hophmi: … This ain’t about Israel, which has faced terrorism for 80 years … ||

        1. Israel hasn’t been around for 80 years.
        2. Israel has been committing terrorism and (war) crimes since its founding. Give credit where credit is due.

      • Mooser
        August 10, 2015, 11:44 am

        “The United States has curtailed civil liberties in response to every major threat it has ever faced. Alien and Sedition Act of 1798. Suspension of Habeas Corpus during the Civil War. Palmer Raids after WWI. Japanese internment camps during WWII. McCarthyism in the 1950’s. Mass detention and deportation since 9/11.”

        And if Israel doesn’t do those things, they will never become the nation, the state it should be?

        Gee, I thought all those things you mentioned were bad things, now regretted as mistakes, which profited no one and cost a lot.
        But you think of them as essential adjuncts to creating a nation?

      • hophmi
        August 10, 2015, 1:56 pm

        “Gee, I thought all those things you mentioned were bad things, now regretted as mistakes, which profited no one and cost a lot.
        But you think of them as essential adjuncts to creating a nation?”

        No. I think of them as how the US reacts EVERY TIME it faces a major international threat, and how that leaves it in a bad position to say to Israel, which has, in a region without a democracy where countries regularly imprison/kill/expel minority groups, remained a democracy with a strong civil liberties record.

        And I’m responding to some idiot who blames the US tendency to do this, a tendency it’s had for the last 200 years, on Israel, a state that’s been around for 67 years.

      • Bornajoo
        August 10, 2015, 2:36 pm

        “…… in a region without a democracy where countries regularly imprison/kill/expel minority groups, remained a democracy with a strong civil liberties record.” (Hophmi)

        Imprison, kill and expel minority groups? That’s exactly israel you are describing. What do you think has been happening to the Palestinians since 48?

        Yes a democracy and a strong civil liberties record for Jewish Israelis maybe, but not for Palestinians, bedouins and African immigrants

      • eljay
        August 10, 2015, 2:29 pm

        || hophmi: … Israel, which has, in a region without a democracy where countries regularly imprison/kill/expel minority groups, remained a democracy with a strong civil liberties record. ||

        In “a region without a democracy where countries regularly imprison/kill/expel minority groups”, Israel has remained an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist, belligerent, intransigent and religion-supremacist state that:
        – continues to steal, occupy and colonize Palestinian land and to oppress, torture and kill Palestinians;
        – refuses to honour its obligations under international law (including allowing ethnically-cleansed refugees to return to their homes and lands);
        – refuses to accept responsibility and accountability for its past and on-going (war) crimes; and
        – refuses to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

        That’s quite the track record for a “moral beacon” and “light unto the nations” state. Give credit where credit is due.

      • Brewer
        August 10, 2015, 3:09 pm

        What is “wrong” with me Hoppy is a World-view and philosophy that is the polar opposite to yours and that which rules in Israel. All of the responses you list are primitive and wrong. They are counter-productive and result in the majority of citizens paying a heavy toll – the rise of deep state surveillance and repression which creates yet more tension and dissension. Israel has pioneered this sort of thing because it has, at its very core, a deep dark secret that must be protected by force – a State founded on theft and ethnic cleansing.
        If you want to go deeper into the esoterica they can be found in the revolution against Judaism 2,000 years ago which tried to replace “eye for an eye” with “turn the other cheek”. This is not a philosophy based on some impossible ideal, it is simply more effective as it is based on the positive view that morality springs from self-interest and that injustice breeds violence.
        Israel provides a vivid example of how a society based on injustice requires force to maintain itself. Instead of coming to terms with its past, Israel has added layer upon layer of “security” thereby creating more and more resistance.
        This is the example America has chosen to follow, ably assisted by politicians and bureaucrats in Israel’s thrall.
        Behind every ” major threat it has ever faced” lies an injustice. The enlightened statesman first identifies and rectifies that injustice.
        ” Israel, which has faced terrorism for 80 years and continues to be a liberal democracy”.
        A “Liberal Democracy” in which squats half on stolen land having evicted its indigenous people and occupies the other half, denying citizens there any rights of citizenship.
        Pull the other one, its got bells on it.
        Here is your “liberal democracy” out for a Sunday drive:

        Note the wonderfully relaxed and cheerful demeanor of these liberal democrats.

      • Mooser
        August 10, 2015, 3:10 pm

        “Oh, please. That’s the JTA, not the MSM. You are a piece of work.”

        “What a piece of work is a man, how noble in reason, how
        infinite in faculties, in form and moving how express and
        admirable, in action how like an angel, in apprehension how like
        a god! the beauty of the world, the paragon of animals—and yet,
        to me, what is this quintessence of dust? Man delights not me—
        nor woman neither, though by your smiling you seem to say so.

        And we all know what Hamlet did after he reached that conclusion! Something is rotten in Hophmi’s Danish.

      • Sibiriak
        August 10, 2015, 3:26 pm

        Brewer: This is the example America has chosen to follow, ably assisted by politicians and bureaucrats in Israel’s thrall.
        ————————

        The U.S. hasn’t followed the Israeli example. It was well on that path long before Israel ever existed.

      • Donald
        August 10, 2015, 4:29 pm

        What hophmi is trying to say is that the Nakba, the occupation, and the various war crimes committed against Gazans are all perfectly okay or beneath notice because Israel is a liberal democracy. Or illiberal ethnocracy. Or something.

        Seriously, I wonder who is supposed to be fooled by hoophmi’s line here? I know some people who would be–Zionists of the dumber variety, including Christian ones, but the smarter sort of liberal Zionist (like Beinart) would be embarrassed by this low quality hasbara.

      • Brewer
        August 10, 2015, 4:42 pm

        ” I’m responding to some idiot who blames the US tendency to do this, a tendency it’s had for the last 200 years, on Israel, a state that’s been around for 67 years. ”

        This idiot compared the change in America since his time there just a few decades ago and now and suggests possible influences. In any two centuries a nation will have many “tendencies”, some contradictory. Primitive minds ascribe immutable trends and proclivities to national and racial groups. You will note that I do not use the term “Jew”, my remarks are directed at the mindset that currently dominates Israel and their lickspittle neo-con acolytes in the U.S.

      • hophmi
        August 11, 2015, 1:55 pm

        “What hophmi is trying to say is that the Nakba, the occupation, and the various war crimes committed against Gazans are all perfectly okay or beneath notice because Israel is a liberal democracy. ”

        Oh please, Donald. That is not what I said. What I said was that the idea that Israel is the reason that the US responded the way it did after 9/11 is ridiculous.

    • just
      August 10, 2015, 11:01 am

      A fellow ‘yachti’!

      Your entire comment is worthy of consideration, Brewer.

      • Brewer
        August 10, 2015, 3:23 pm

        Kia ora Brother!!

      • MHughes976
        August 10, 2015, 4:34 pm

        The question of who first acted in a certain way does not settle the question of who is setting the pace now; nor does the fact that we can identify the agent who acted first preclude the possibility that several agents are egging each other on, that one is exceptionally determined and that the other might pause if less strongly influenced.

      • Kay24
        August 10, 2015, 5:04 pm

        Brewer, I have always wondered if these murderous police officials who have been killing unarmed black kids, were the ones who were trained in Israel. They have suddenly become careless, mean, and take lives so easily. It is strange that these police officers were sent to Israel by nameless donors for training. I think our academies are good enough for training, and ruthless, condemned alien nations, whose armed forces have a history of being violent, should not be the place to get trained.
        Something is wrong with this picture.

      • straightline
        August 10, 2015, 7:52 pm

        Me too but I sold my boat a few years ago. I miss it. As to Israel being a “liberal democracy” the map on this site is interesting. It might have been brought up before here but bears repetition.

        http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21606286-failures-arab-spring-were-long-time-making-tethered-history

        It suggests that Lebanon (semi-democracy) and Tunisia (democracy) are more democratic than Israel – and Israel is not even the only “democratic facade” in the Middle East.

  28. RoHa
    August 10, 2015, 6:13 am

    Nicely done, Annie.

    (Remind me again what you mean by “submarine”, please.)

    • eGuard
      August 10, 2015, 1:56 pm

      To submarine = to sink.

    • Sibiriak
      August 10, 2015, 2:01 pm

      Torpedo.

      • RoHa
        August 10, 2015, 6:10 pm

        Thanks, e guard and Siberiak. Very odd usage. The natural interpretation would be “to make it into, or make it resemble, a submarine”, rather than “to do to it what submarines do to ships”.

        “Torpedo” would be much clearer.

  29. Kay24
    August 10, 2015, 6:57 am

    Richard Haas on Morning Joe seems to have sold his soul to the devil too. Right now they are criticizing Obama’s speech. It is unfortunate that because of their loyalty to their masters, they compromise their integrity. Okay Mika just spoke up and said what if the deal does not go through what is the alternative. If she was anything like her father, she would have the courage to speak against the zionist propaganda. Scarborough seems to be a strong supporter of Israel.
    I wonder if he criticized Netanyahu for barging in to Congress, disrespecting Obama, and setting the Congress against the President, when he invited himself to speak against the Iran deal.

  30. Sibiriak
    August 10, 2015, 10:36 am

    Great writing, btw, Annie. Clear logic combined with colorful, memorable phrasing. Reminds me a bit of Matt Taibbi, although, of course, you have your own voice.

  31. Qualtrough
    August 10, 2015, 1:06 pm

    It is telling that Humpfmi summons some of the most shameful episodes in US history in order to (in his mind) defend Israel. That’s some defense you got going there!

    • hophmi
      August 10, 2015, 2:03 pm

      “It is telling that Humpfmi summons some of the most shameful episodes in US history in order to (in his mind) defend Israel. That’s some defense you got going there!”

      It is telling that you’re not being remotely honest. I’m responding to Brewer’s comment: “The America I loved back in the day would not have reacted to 911 by curtailing freedom and attacking other States. This behaviour is typical of Israel and, to me, indicates just how deep the penetration is – and it is killing everything good about the U.S.”

      As if, 1. This was an accurate description of how Israel behaves, and 2. The US had never curtailed freedom in response to a perceived security threat before Israel came along.

      The comment included, of course, the obligatory list of American Jewish names, as if all of President Bush’s advisors were Jews or as if Jews generally favored curtailing civil liberties.

      • amigo
        August 10, 2015, 3:08 pm

        “The comment included, of course, the obligatory list of American Jewish names, as if all of President Bush’s advisors were Jews or as if Jews generally favored curtailing civil liberties. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/semitic-israel-lobby#comment-151546” Hopknee

        “‘Six Jews sitting in the White House discussing the Palestinian stat – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/sitting-discussing-palestinian#sthash.Xa4NGx7U.dpuf“.

        “Michael Oren, the former ambassador of Israel to the United States, got some attention in the last day for comments he made about U.S. Jews in positions of power. He noted the enormous influence of Jews over policymaking — Barack Obama or Joe Biden was often the only non-Jew in the room when a Palestinian state was being discussed at the White House – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/sitting-discussing-palestinian#sthash.Xa4NGx7U.dpuf“Oren.

        Well they certainly were not discussing freeing Palestinians from zionist aggression.

        Are you posting while comatose , again hoppy.

      • Brewer
        August 10, 2015, 7:04 pm

        I think the choice facing America in the wake of 911 was fairly simple. Either cut back on the activity that inspired the attack or strengthen the power of the State to repress it.
        Central to the activity that inspired the attack is U.S. support for Israel which is also a key component in political funding so the Politicians opted for the latter.
        I cannot think of any example in the History of Empires when such a move has prevented the inevitable consequences – the people’s loss of confidence in the state and the eventual collapse of the system of Government.
        There is enormous irony in the semi-literate Bush stating “They hate us for our freedom” then immediately ushering in all kinds of curbs on it, trashing Habeus Corpus and funding torture. Can anyone seriously deny the influence that Perle, Wolfowitz, Chertof, Abrams, Feith, Ledeen, Libby, Frum, Zakheim, Dershowitz, Cohen, Kristol, Grossman, Bolten and a host of other, like-minded individuals had on these policies and their connection to the Israeli right-wing? Is it pure coincidence that places them on the side of both torture, war and repression and Israel?
        Post 911, every response from Israeli politicians urged repressive and violent response. Not one even speculated that U.S. and Israeli actions might have inspired the event.
        I’m sorry Hoppy. No matter how frantically you wave the anti-Semitism flag I cannot deny the evidence of my ears and eyes and besides, even if the term had any real meaning, it would not apply to me. If you lived next door to me I might debate with you but I’d still mow your lawn if you needed it (not in the Israeli sense of “mowing the lawn” you dig).

      • hophmi
        August 11, 2015, 1:53 pm

        “I think the choice facing America in the wake of 911 was fairly simple. Either cut back on the activity that inspired the attack or strengthen the power of the State to repress it.

        Central to the activity that inspired the attack is U.S. support for Israel which is also a key component in political funding so the Politicians opted for the latter.”

        Yeah, support for Israel is why the Taliban ruled Afghanistan and gave safe haven to Osama bin Laden. It’s why we attacked Afghanistan, with the support of virtually the entire American public. Israel is also the reason we attacked Pearl Harbor after December 7, 1941, didja hear? It’s all because of Israel.

        “There is enormous irony in the semi-literate Bush stating ‘They hate us for our freedom’ then immediately ushering in all kinds of curbs on it, trashing Habeus Corpus and funding torture. ”

        Hehe, yeah. Show me evidence that taking any other position was politically viable after 9/11. I can see it now – POTUS saying, “Hey, Americans. We got attacked because we totally suck in the Middle East.” Yeah, Obama woulda said that. Obama couldn’t even say a totally nuanced and watered down version of that without facing demagogic attacks that he was “apologizing” for America. That isn’t because of Israel. That’s because of American exceptionalism and American self-image.

        “Can anyone seriously deny the influence that Perle, Wolfowitz, Chertof, Abrams, Feith, Ledeen, Libby, Frum, Zakheim, Dershowitz, Cohen, Kristol, Grossman, Bolten and a host of other, like-minded individuals had on these policies and their connection to the Israeli right-wing?”

        On the response to 9/11? Um, yeah. Any group of mainstream political advisors, right or left, would have attacked Afghanistan after 9/11, and also would have put megabucks into Homeland Security and intelligence gathering. You’ve once again simply gathered whatever Jewish names you could find, and it really shows; Josh Bolten didn’t become Chief of Staff until 2006, well after the Iraq War decisionmaking had occurred. Dershowitz wasn’t a Bush advisor. Chertoff didn’t become Secretary of Homeland Security until 2005. Dick Cheney isn’t Jewish. Neither is Donald Rumsfeld. Neither is Colin Powell. Neither is Condi Rice. Neither is John Ashcroft, probably the most responsible for institutionalizing civil liberties violations. Neither is Alberto Gonzales, who followed him. Neither is John Yoo, who wrote the waterboarding memo. Cheney and Rumsfeld, along with Bush, were probably the strongest advocates of the Iraq War, and would have been regardless of who was advising them.

        ” Is it pure coincidence that places them on the side of both torture, war and repression and Israel?”

        Is it pure coincidence that you’ve chosen to focus only on the Jews who were advisors in the Bush Administration, and that you’ve provided no supporting documentation that they are “connected to the Israeli right-wing,” that their alleged “connection” to the Israeli right-wing informed their policy decisionmaking, as opposed to the law and order political conservatism that informed the policy decisionmaking of non-Jewish Bush advisors, or that any of this was the reason the United States took the positions it did with regard to civil liberties, behavior completely consistent with US policy in the past, except that it involved considerably less civil liberties violations than imprisoning Japanese-Americans (WWII), blacklisting and jailing Communists (post-WWI and Cold War), executing spies on trumped up charges (Ethel Rosenberg), suspending habeas corpus (Civil War), going to war over ships that we ourselves sunk (Spanish-American War and Vietnam War), or imprisoning people for criticizing the Government and deporting aliens whom the Government felt were a threat (Alien and Sedition Acts).

        “Post 911, every response from Israeli politicians urged repressive and violent response.”

        No documentation for that either.

        “I’m sorry Hoppy. No matter how frantically you wave the anti-Semitism flag I cannot deny the evidence of my ears and eyes and besides, even if the term had any real meaning, it would not apply to me. ”

        Evidence that you don’t bother to provide.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 11, 2015, 5:58 pm

        You’ve once again simply gathered whatever Jewish names you could find,

        is that how al those people got to be cheney’s advisors? wow, impressive.

        btw, as i recall Osama bin Laden’s 9/11 speech, in his address to americans or the world or whoever get taped it for, cited US support for israel or oppression of palestinians, or something as the motivating factor for the attacks. now you can argue he was delusional and doesn’t understand why motivated his words attack happened but you can’t erase his words.

      • hophmi
        August 12, 2015, 10:50 am

        “is that how al those people got to be cheney’s advisors? wow, impressive.”

        As I pointed out, several names on those list were not advisors. Dershowitz certainly wasn’t. And Cheney certainly had many advisors who were not Jews. I notice Rice isn’t mentioned here, and neither is Richard Armitage, Stephen Hadley, Colin Powell, or George P. Schultz, all of whom were Cheney foreign policy advisors at one time or another or played a central role in post-9/11 policymaking. Here, we only focus on Jewish advisors, and we assume, based on no evidence other than rank bigotry, that when an advisor is Jewish, he acts on behalf of Israel.

        “btw, as i recall Osama bin Laden’s 9/11 speech, in his address to americans or the world or whoever get taped it for, cited US support for israel or oppression of palestinians, or something as the motivating factor for the attacks. now you can argue he was delusional and doesn’t understand why motivated his words attack happened but you can’t erase his words.”

        He also cited the first Gulf War, the Saudi monarchy, and a list of other things. Hitler said that he wanted to annihilate the Jews because they were Communists and financiers. The lesson is not to allow evil people to set your agenda.

      • Brewer
        August 12, 2015, 5:52 pm

        Hoppy, the U.S. involvement in Afghanistan is long and shameful but that is a side issue, I don’t remember referencing it in any of my posts. – what its got to do with the topic at hand I really don’t know.

        In support of “Central to the activity that inspired the attack is U.S. support for Israel ” I offer the words of Osama as given to The Daily Ummat in 2001:
        “All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel.”
        If you seriously believe that Israel is not the primary grievance inspiring Islamic wrath you are left with “they hate us for our freedom” which is idiotic.

        “Hehe, yeah. Show me evidence that taking any other position was politically viable after 9/11.”

        I would suggest the example set by Britain during decades of IRA attacks and the (albeit rather less significant) example set by my own nation after the bombing of the Rainbow Warrior. In my view, if a candidate had stepped forward and insisted that 911 was not going to divert America from its devotion to freedom and human rights, Bush Jnr would not have secured a second term.
        I hope I am not the first to inform you of two utterly incontrovertible facts. Habeus Corpus is essential to human rights and torture is neither productive of viable intelligence nor human. It is pure barbarism. The relationship between citizen and State hinges on the absolute observance of the former and the prohibition of the latter.

        “Dick Cheney isn’t Jewish. Neither is Donald Rumsfeld. Neither is Colin Powell. Neither is Condi Rice. Neither is John Ashcroft,”

        Once again you use the term “Jewish” despite the fact that I don’t equate “Jewish” with Israel supporters (the phrase I employed for corrupt apparatchiks of that ilk is “like-minded individuals”) What point are you trying to make? Are you suggesting that, for my thesis to hang together, every single individual involved has to be “Jewish” ? No, you are simply trying to find a peg to hang your anti-Semitism tag on. Sorry, not guilty mate, I’m talking ideologies here.
        Dershowitz is in there because of his advocacy of torture BTW.

        “you’ve provided no supporting documentation that they are “connected to the Israeli right-wing,”
        Oh please. Google the names. Information that easily accessible needs no “supporting documentation”.

        “Post 911, every response from Israeli politicians urged repressive and violent response.”
        Here I refer you to Walt and Mearshiemer:

        “Pressure from Israel and the Lobby was not the only factor behind the U.S. decision to attack Iraq in March 2003, but it was a critical element. Some Americans believe that this was a “war for oil,” but there is hardly any direct evidence to support this claim. Instead, the war was motivated in good part by a desire to make Israel more secure……..On August 16, 2002, eleven days before Vice President Cheney kicked off the campaign for war with a hard‐line speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Washington Post reported that “Israel is urging U.S. officials not to delay a military strike against Iraq’s Saddam Hussein.”’

        For those interested in Hoppy’s style, here’s a pdf of Hoppy’s handbook by Frank Luntz

        Couple of relevant BBC docos:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares
        ….and:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Lake_%28film%29

      • Annie Robbins
        August 12, 2015, 7:54 pm

        brewer, not sure whether you noticed this post from the other day:

        The day after 9/11, Kagan father-son duo said ‘take the war’ to Palestine

        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/kagan-father-palestine#sthash.3qDt7374.dpuf

      • Brewer
        August 12, 2015, 6:46 pm

        Notes:
        “With Iraq no threat, why invade a sovereign country? The answer: President Bush’s policy to secure Israel. Led by Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and Charles Krauthammer, for years there has been a domino school of thought that the way to guarantee Israel’s security is to spread democracy in the area. Wolfowitz wrote: “The United States may not be able to lead countries through the door of democracy, but where that door is locked shut by a totalitarian deadbolt, American power may be the only way to open it up.”
        – U.S. Senator Hollings
        http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/p-hollings.html

        “removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq, an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right.”
        – A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, 1996 by Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and David Wurmser, later chair of the Defense Policy Board, Undersecretary of Defense and special assistant to the Undersecretary of State for Arms Control respectively in the Bush spawn cabinet.

        “On no issue is the JINSA/CSP hard line more evident than in its relentless campaign for war–not just with Iraq, but “total war,” as Michael Ledeen, one of the most influential JINSAns in Washington, put it last year. For this crew, “regime change” by any means necessary in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian Authority is an urgent imperative. Anyone who dissents–be it Colin Powell’s State Department, the CIA or career military officers–is committing heresy against articles of faith that effectively hold there is no difference between US and Israeli national security interests”
        http://www.thenation.com/article/men-jinsa-and-csp/

        “Only nine days after the outrage, William Kristol (the son of the group’s founder, Irving Kristol) published an Open Letter to President Bush, asserting that it was not enough to annihilate the network of Osama bin Laden, but that it was also imperative to “remove Saddam Hussein from power” and to “retaliate” against Syria and Iran for supporting Hizbullah.”
        – Uri Avnery
        The signatories:
        William Kristol – Gary Bauer – Max Boot – Frank Carlucci – Eliot Cohen – Midge Decter – Thomas Donnelly Frank Gaffney – Daniel Goure – Bruce P. Jackson – Donald Kagan – Robert Kagan – Lewis E. Lehrman – Tod Lindberg – Rich Lowry – Daniel McKivergan – Danielle Pletka – Norman Podhoretz – Stephen P. Rosen – Gary Schmitt – Randy Scheunemann – William Schneider, Jr. – Richard Shultz – Henry Sokolski – Chris Williams – R. James Woolsey

        “The military and political leadership yearns for war in Iraq, seeing it as an opportunity to win the war of attrition with the Palestinians. “
        – Aluf Ben writing in Haaretz Feb 16, 2003

      • Brewer
        August 12, 2015, 8:17 pm

        Thanks Annie, I hadn’t seen that one. Does it come any plainer? I suspect hasbarartists like Hoppy deny the bleeding obvious just to wind us up!!

    • MHughes976
      August 10, 2015, 5:02 pm

      The claim that the United States has often restricted civil liberties is not a reason for excusing Israel or anyone for taking analogous action, if that is what they do – though the claim that the U.S. has done this kind of thing quite rightly (which I’m not sure that anyone is making) would be a reason. The important thing in the end is whether the examples actually set by the U.S., Israel or both are reasonable or not. If Israel is in fact following others down the primrose path that is not a good thing about Israel.

      • Brewer
        August 10, 2015, 5:26 pm

        Its a common tactic, taking events from the distant past that civilization has rejected and reformed and using them to justify Israel’s current behaviour – ignoring the centuries between.
        Somebody coined the useful term “whataboutery” to describe it. Primitive illogic.

      • Mooser
        August 11, 2015, 1:02 pm

        “Its a common tactic, taking events from the distant past that civilization has rejected and reformed and using them to justify Israel’s current behaviour – ignoring the centuries between.”

        What I find more telling then the amorality and alegality of the “whataboutery”, is the implication that Zionism and Israel can do those things, pay the prices those things cost and survive.
        Unless, of course, Hophmi thinks things like genocide of indigenous people, illegal settlement, expansion-by-conquest, slavery, internal segregation and multi-tier legal system and rights, are good things, steps in the nation’s growth and progress. He might think that. In which case, isn’t Israel entitled to those things? Why, to deny Israel the benefits of all those things would be anti-semitic!

      • MHughes976
        August 11, 2015, 1:22 pm

        Events like the panic against Japanese Americans in 41 may be in the past and may be regarded as shameful but certain restrictions on civil liberties are still very much with us. Your view is that back in the day the bad instincts were but ghosts and shadows of a half-forgotten past until the example and propaganda of Israel made them undead. Hophmi says they were part of a vigorous and authentic tradition. I’m not quite as confident as you are that Hophmi is wrong on that point, though I’m sure that in any event Israel’s example is extremely powerful and effective. I have long thought that even the sunny America of back then had a deep streak of insecurity and that the rule of law and the power of common sense could not survive a sustained terrorist campaign, if one ever happened.
        That may sound as if I’m backhandedly praising the UK. That’s not my intention. American politics can be frightening but that’s not the whole story. We’re setting out for Boston next week, that liberating place.

      • Mooser
        August 11, 2015, 4:27 pm

        “Hophmi says they were part of a vigorous and authentic tradition. I’m not quite as confident as you are that Hophmi is wrong on that point,”

        I’m not saying Hophmi is wrong, he may very well be right. My question is, does he think Israel can pay the cost associated with those things.

  32. Pixel
    August 10, 2015, 3:07 pm

    Jewish Currents > Blog-Shmog > Jews in the 112th Congress

    Jews in the 112th Congress

    “As the 112th Congress convenes, we’re publishing this list of Jewish senators (13) and representatives (27), based on research by Alyssa Goldstein, our magazine’s intern at Bard College.”

    “In any event, JC is a Jewish magazine, and we see it as a legitimate part of our work to report on the doings of Jews in Congress. One observation to make that brings us pride (or, for some of us, surprise): With the exception of Eric Cantor, the Republican majority whip in the House, all of the Jews in Congress are Democrats or independents, and the great majority are liberal. Despite the common misapprehension, especially among Jewish leftists, that the Jewish community is conservative — a perception shaped mostly by highly visible, conservative Jewish activism regarding Israel — the reality of tenacious Jewish liberalism is revealed here.”

    • Pixel
      August 10, 2015, 3:42 pm

      Annie, this is an EXCEPTIONAL article.

      fyi: Stephen Walt retweeted Scott Roth:

      Scott Roth [email protected] Aug 9

      .@anniefofani hit the cover off the ball on this one. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/semitic-israel-lobby

      8 retweets 10 favorites

      Scott Roth Twitter

    • Pixel
      August 10, 2015, 4:02 pm

      @Annie

      “several times people tried posting completely unsourced congressional lists of alleged dual citizenship and i deleted them.

      Anything unsourced should be deleted.
      .
      “i think it’s crude, irresponsible and racist to be making assumptions about people based purely on their ethnicity…”

      Sometimes, failing to cite a source is simply failing to cite a source. (See post above Jewish Currents)
      .
      “which is how the list appeared to me.”

      Completely understandable. :o)
      .

      • Annie Robbins
        August 11, 2015, 4:55 pm

        pixel, yes, sometimes failing to cite a source is simply failing to site a source. however, when the information makes a claim someone is a citizen of another country and presents as fact or truth (as opposed to merely ones impression or opinion) in a controversial conversation, which is how they were repeatedly posted/presented here (not once not twice but several times) i don’t think that’s just an over site. and it was a long long list. plus i have tried searching for that information before deleting the info and it’s just not sourced anywhere reliably – at all (as your other link makes clear!). whereas, your Jewish Currents link wasn’t about citizenship, hence i’d argue not applicable (and just so happens to be a topic hops and i were arguing about yesterday http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/semitic-israel-lobby#comment-788687 , how unsurprising!)

        and thank you so much ;) yes i saw that tweet of scott’s, amazing.

  33. DoubleStandard
    August 10, 2015, 3:27 pm

    You are absurd. Of the 54 automatic votes against it, none of them are Jewish. Some of the biggest supporters of the Iran Deal are Jews — Feinstein and Sanders are Jewish. In the House, the longest serving Jewish member backed it.

    Schumer being Jewish has nothing to do with it; he is no more susceptible or not susceptible to the Israel Lobby. Tablet was referring to the ugly social media eruption tarring him as loyal to Israel instead of the US.

    • bryan
      August 11, 2015, 7:19 am

      “Schumer being Jewish has nothing to do with it; he is no more susceptible or not susceptible to the Israel Lobby.”

      Oh really??? This is not the guy who claims he is the guardian of Israel??? He is not subservient to the lobby – because he is the lobby.

      He explained himself how much this has to do with Israel and his Jewishness: in a private meeting with the Jewish Orthodox Union, which was covertly filmed on a cell-phone camera he described his logic: “If you are president of the United States, president of one of the European countries or an American, an average American, you say [….an agreement with a 95% that Iran with not achieve an A-bomb is] pretty good to me,” he said. But since a nuclear Iran would be [conceivably] an existential threat to Israel, he suggested, there’s another perspective. “If you’re prime minister of Israel or an Israeli citizen or for that matter an American Jew or at least some American Jews,” he said, “you say I can’t live with a 5 percent chance that Israel will be annihilated.” So “there is a basic difference in viewpoint.” (see http://www.vox.com/2015/8/5/9101063/chuck-schumer-iran-deal)

      For much of the time you can be loyal to both Israel and America (or disloyal if you argue that Israeli war and occupation are in the interests of neither state). Inevitably there are times when American and Israeli interests do not coincide, and on this occasion he has had to admit that his emotional attachment to Israel has overridden his attachment to American interests.

      At the same time there is a lot of simplistic nonsense spoken about dual loyalties. To explain that in a British context I could quite easily visualize circumstances in which a British MP, for principled reasons, might depart from government policy out of concern for Internationalism (e.g. regarding a declaration of war or imposition of sanctions) or out support for European integration or regional devolution (e.g. vote for withdrawal from European Union or against Scottish Independence). Trouble is I don’t see a lot of principle (or common sense, or logic, or realism) in Schumer’s surrender to the hysteria of the noisiest part of his local constituency and to the ravings of a foreign prime minister.

  34. a blah chick
    August 10, 2015, 3:33 pm

    That video from Brewer of the boys tear gassing themselves never gets old.

    • Brewer
      August 10, 2015, 4:56 pm

      Oldie but a goodie. A bit cheeky of me to post it but in many ways it summarizes my view of Israel – Keystone cops in lethal garb, the despicable defending the unspeakable making complete idiots of themselves.

    • Kay24
      August 10, 2015, 4:58 pm

      Thanks for linking that Brewer I never saw it before, so it was really enjoyable. Those “tough” IDF goons certainly got a taste of their own medicine. For some minutes they felt like Palestinians do.

    • just
      August 10, 2015, 5:20 pm

      No, it doesn’t, abc.

      Neither does this:

      “Israeli occupation “skunk truck” crashes in occupied Jerusalem”

  35. eGuard
    August 10, 2015, 5:14 pm

    About hophmi and his anti-Semitism. Let’s check where “Jew” is introduced. The title says “Israel lobby”, and all subsequent comments by Annie are about Israeli politics and the actual AIPAC/Netanyahu lobby. Up into her conclusion, quite explicitly, about Schumer.

    No, the jump from “Israel” to “Jews” is made in the quoted papers (Tablet, NYT, WaPo, etcetera), time and time again.

  36. John Fearey
    August 10, 2015, 9:39 pm

    Annie you received some well deserved compliments on this excellent piece and I would like to add mine: “nice job and thanks..”

  37. Theo
    August 11, 2015, 1:20 pm

    Great discussion on great story, Annie.

  38. piotr
    August 13, 2015, 8:01 am

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/13/us/politics/in-efforts-to-sway-iran-debate-big-money-donors-are-heard.html?ribbon-ad-idx=13&rref=homepage&module=Ribbon&version=origin&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Home%20Page&pgtype=article

    NYT reports that a number of “generous donors to Democratic Party” got active in lobbying for the deal, many (most?) of them Jewish, while other lobby against. Basically, until now, the extreme right of the “Jewish lobby” accomplished a kind of leveraged takeover with appeals to ethnic solidarity and shared fears, “we need to be together” etc., but the Iran deal can be their undoing.

    It is still the case that the super-rich have disproportional influence, and on the issue of Israel, non-Jewish super-rich do not care much which gives the field to the Jews and their friends. This allowed the Israeli lobby to have oversized influence, and the ugly example was how Obama was forced to fold his initial plan for peace process that entailed forcing settlement freeze upon Israel. The lobby won, the peace lost and many lives were lost.

    But this time there is a huge difference between “Jewish” and “Israeli” lobby.

  39. K Renner
    August 13, 2015, 4:53 pm

    Ha ha ha ha ha whining about people talking about who is in the frontline of the attempt to try and scupper the deal. Whining about Palestinians in the Gaza Strip knowing the ethnicity/religion of those who kill them by the hundreds and make their lives miserable.

    Truly, “anti-Semitism” as an accusation has never been more meaningless then it is at this point.

    Maybe someone should try and convince non-Jewish GOP members who’re trying to stop the deal that it’s “bigotry” to say that the Republican party in general is anti-Iran and anti-détente with Iran.

    Maybe that’d result in some fun antics.

  40. Brewer
    August 13, 2015, 10:29 pm

    There is something rather comical about denying the influence of Israel’s lobby in boosting America’s Wars in the M.E – following an article clearly demonstrating that the Lobby is pushing to overturn the Iran accord. For what else is on the table if the agreement is indeed scuppered but War.

    The ‘Washington Institute for Near East Policy’ is itself one big false flag operation that uses ‘policy analysis’ to push far rightwing Israeli plans for perpetual war and Occupation in key US government agencies. US government personnel are even *detailed* there to ‘learn’ about the Middle East!

    Clawson and his shop were important in fooling the US into the Iraq War, and here is a little golden oldie from that effort:

    Patrick Clawson, ed. How to Build a New Iraq After Saddam, Washington Institute for Near East Policy, 2002.

    I hear the sequel, “How to Build a new Iran after Khamenei,” is just about out.
    http://www.juancole.com/2012/10/israel-lobbyist-suggests-false-flag-attack-to-start-war-with-iran.html

    Netanyahu steered U.S. toward war with Iran – the result is a deal he hates

    What truly focused U.S. priorities was that Israel made it clear to the White House in 2011-12 that Washington could otherwise be dragged into a war it could not control. One that would likely have devastating effects on both the United States and Israel. Thus started Obama’s urgent search for a nuclear deal.

    In clinching the deal with Iran, Obama has, above all, succeeded in averting a disastrous war that would not have prevented Tehran from acquiring nukes. And it was Netanyahu who made sure Obama thought war was on the horizon.
    http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/20/the-real-credit-for-the-iran-deal-goes-to-israels-benjamin-netanyahu/

    Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert says the government of Benjamin Netanyahu spent almost $3 billion in the past two years preparing for a war against Iran’s nuclear program that it probably never intended to wage……
    ……He said the extra spending was designed to make the United States believe that Israel genuinely intended to attack Iran’s nuclear program. Netanyahu hoped the perception would prod President Obama, who opposes an Israeli strike, to organize tighter sanctions against Iran and take action of his own to prevent it from crossing the nuclear threshold
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/16/explosive-allegations-against-israeli-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu.html

    • Annie Robbins
      August 13, 2015, 10:52 pm

      are you talking to me brewer? if so, which comment are you referencing?

      • Brewer
        August 14, 2015, 12:32 am

        I was just musing on Hoppy’s stout denial of Israel’s pushing the U.S. into War in Iraq, Syria etc on this thread when it is very plain to see that this effort to derail the Iran accord is a push for a U.S. War with Iran – yet another “War for Israel”.

        Another example of “chutzpah” is this article by Elliott Abrams, the arch-neo-con, who:

        repeatedly and purposely misled Congress about the government’s involvement with the death-squad-riddled Salvadoran military, the Nicaraguan Contra counter-revolutionaries and other Central American mass murderers. He whitewashed their massacres as well as the abuses of the Argentinean junta (who were kidnapping babies at the time and selling them) and the genocidal Guatemalan regime of Gen. Efrían Ríos Montt (currently on trial for crimes against humanity). Abrams did all this while casting aspersions on the motives of journalists and human rights workers who sought to tell the truth about these crimes. As a result of these offenses, among others, Abrams was forced to plead guilty to unlawfully withholding material information from Congress and to apologize to the Senate Intelligence Committee. He was also disbarred in the District of Columbia.
        http://www.thenation.com/article/rehabilitation-elliott-abrams/

        He writes:

        The same accusations were then made about the second Gulf War, in 2003: Jews, and especially Jewish “neocons,” dragged America into that war. In their infamous tract The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer wrote that as what to do about Saddam Hussein was debated “there was another variable in the equation, and the war would almost certainly not have occurred had it been absent. That element was the Israel lobby….” And that view is widely spread across the Internet as well, and is a staple of anti-Semitic sites and organizations.
        http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-and-amen-corner_1007346.html?nopager=1

        This from a renowned Israel-firster, signatory to PNAC’s letter to President Clinton calling for the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq by force if necessary!!

      • Annie Robbins
        August 14, 2015, 12:38 am

        yes i am well aware of who elliot abrams is. i call him ‘mr peace thru civil war’. he loves setting the hordes against each other to kill themselves as a strategy for stabilization — as i recall.

  41. Brewer
    August 14, 2015, 4:34 am

    Perhaps I am stretching the bounds of the topic and pushing my own country’s barrow a bit but I’m sure some of you will enjoy our sainted Prime Minister David Lange in full flight. An ordinary man who by some extraordinary circumstance, became a hugely popular Prime Minister. A man to whom morality took precedence over expedience. Here he is winning a debate with Jerry Falwell on the nuclear issue.

    • Annie Robbins
      August 14, 2015, 4:35 am

      how exciting! thank you!

    • Annie Robbins
      August 14, 2015, 4:50 am

      listening to jeya wilson now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCZFPfe0LvA funny!

      • Brewer
        August 14, 2015, 6:38 am

        Thank you Annie. I had not seen that vid. I love it and am experiencing a moment of pride and I am glad I brought the subject up.
        It seems to me that we live in a World where the moral imperative is subjugated to the expedient. I disagree. David disagreed. He was a friend of mine, he came from my town.
        It is possibly time his message, given here, is deserving of a revisit.

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