Campus is seen as next battleground against Iran Deal — by ‘rightwing fanatics’

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Pro Israel campus groups are top-down affairs controlled by outside lobbying groups and big time donors. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee and Hillel work together to train student activists. The agendas are established by groups such as Stand With Us (SWU).

None of this program is new or surprising. But it’s causing a schism over the Iran Deal. According to a Times of Israel op-ed by Tracy Frydberg, titled “Pro-Israel campus groups  worry Iran deal debate will end in ‘anti-Semitic  hatefest“,  a new directive has been given to students to place opposition to the Iran Deal as a primary focus of their campus activism and claims: “there is little room for dissent or even discussion over the merits of supporting the Iran deal”.

And students aren’t happy about it. According to student activist Justin Hayet:

“The Iran deal can’t define Israel activism… The pro-Israel community is increasingly being perceived as [a group of] right-wing fanatics.”

Maybe that’s because a group of right wing fanatics are directing pro Israel advocacy on American campuses? Frydberg, a Hasbara Fellowship member, cites another student activist, Brandon Mond, co-founder of Unify Texas, an anti-BDS (Boycott, divestment and sanctions) group at the University of Texas:

“The way in which we take cues and structure our unity from larger organizations allows for it to be controlled at the top”

Echoing J Street U director Sarah Turbow’s claim:

“[D]onors play a huge role in deciding campus strategy”.

So who is at “the top”? I’m reminded of the excellent (must see) documentary about Jewish Day schools, Between the Lines. In personal testimonies students relate being taught to think critically about every topic except for Israel, emerging with “quivering loyalty toward their community and the State.”  Some freshman kids from these schools have entered universities this fall emotionally indoctrinated to protect Israel politically on their campuses, having never even heard the term “occupation” applied to Israel. Others have no idea “Palestinians were kicked out — nothing — you don’t know how to deal with it.”

 “Instead of given facts on modern issues, students are given talking points and tools for advocacy …. things that Jewish donors or organizations think are useful for advocacy ” (13:49)

One student (14:29) discussed a student seminar she attended at her school intending to prepare students for anti-Israel sentiment on campuses based on Alan Dershowitz’s book The Case for Israel. Dershowitz’s book states a criticism at the beginning of every chapter, and then lays out all the reasons the criticism is false. The students come to class, the teacher states the claim and students practice refuting it, based on Dershowitz’s refutations “without breaking down where those critiques were coming from. ”

Frydberg mentions Dershowitz and his new book, The Case Against the Iran Deal: How Can We Now Stop Iran from Getting Nukes? and quotes him in a recent Times of Israel interview:

 “A better way to use resources is to persuade students that the Iran deal is dangerous, not to oppose Congress.”

According to Dershowitz, Netanyahu has a “right” and a “duty” to seek to change US policy. He doesn’t think it’s fair Israel was “excluded from the negotiations”. In his interview with TOI, cited by Frydberg, Dershowitz suggests:

passing a simple law …[to] preemptively authorize the current and all future US presidents to use military force, without negotiation or warning, to prevent Iran from acquiring a military weapon if it ever sought one.

Dershowitz’s hubris doesn’t end there, he claims this is not “interference in American politics”.

But if this is the pro Israel students’ new assignment on American campuses — it’s a tall order.

This is part of what “the great liberation of the Iran Deal” means. You can’t expect these kids, foot soldiers for Israel, to be robots. With varying views regarding the Iran deal within the American Jewish community, clearly these students are much more comfortable arguing against BDS. In a world where every objection to Israeli policies is rationalized by the emotionally charged “anti semitism” accusation, what happens when an issue like the Iran Deal forces student activists up against American diplomacy and the president?

Frydberg:

Dershowitz said the Jewish community should not be moved by fear of alienation or public perception, crediting J Street and its dovish approach with the rise in anti-Israel sentiment on campus.

“It’s a ghetto mentality to think that Jews shouldn’t oppose the president [on the Iran deal],” Dershowitz said.

But StandWithUs’ Brett Cohen predicts that tensions will only increase on campus after the deal is voted on.

“What is dangerous right now,” he said, “is how people who oppose the deal are demonized as unpatriotic. I’m fearful that the victory celebration for supporters is going to spill over into an anti-Semitic hate fest.”

A hate fest? Student advocates for Israel are not taught to examine Israel critically, but emotionally; “beyond the realm of intellectual thought”(Between the Lines 4:28). Hence, when those students encounter facts about Israel, the tools they’ve been trained to use, as evidenced by SWU rep Brett Cohen’s comment about his fears, are primarily in the emotional realm. And no wonder SWU uses an accusatory anti Semitism discourse; students are in familiar territory, a safe place they have confidence they can persuade.

Now that’s just a weak response to a critical debate in a university environment.  Yet that’s been the central retreat for these students. The battle against BDS and the Iran Deal on campuses is an emotional one, not a critical discourse based on research on how sanctions and diplomacy are used routinely by governments, including our own. It rests on ideas mentioned in Between the Lines, like “we saw what happened when Jews were boycotted before” = Holocaust.

Someone should unleash these kids and let them think for themselves. Universities are supposed to be places kids stretch and grow up, not follow the agenda of old donors.

About Annie Robbins

Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani

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  1. a blah chick
    September 14, 2015, 1:06 pm

    “Some freshman kids from these schools have entered universities this fall emotionally indoctrinated to protect Israel politically on their campuses, having never even heard the term “occupation” applied to Israel. Others have no idea “Palestinians were kicked out — nothing — you don’t know how to deal with it.”

    And that’s the problem right there. When all you have in your arsenal is warmed over Leon Uris you’re not going to win the argument in a fair fight.

    • echinococcus
      September 14, 2015, 2:20 pm

      When all you have in your arsenal is warmed over Leon Uris you’re not going to win the argument in a fair fight.

      Hence all the effort to unfair the fight.

      • JWalters
        September 14, 2015, 6:26 pm

        Money versus truth, again.

    • Kris
      September 14, 2015, 3:11 pm

      Jewish students who have no idea that “Palestinians were kicked out — nothing — you don’t know how to deal with it” will have a hard time on campus, for sure.

      Like the kids in the 60’s who arrived at college campuses believing that the U.S. was the “good guy” in the Vietnam War, and then were so horribly disillusioned when they learned that they had been lied to.

      Universities are dangerous places for those who need to avoid being exposed to information and ideas. That’s why so many conservative Christians send their students to private bible colleges instead of public universities. Maybe Dershowitz and AIPAC should set up their own private colleges, too.

      • JWalters
        September 14, 2015, 6:35 pm

        “Universities are dangerous places for those who need to avoid being exposed to information and ideas.”

        And increasingly so, as the unjust agenda of certain big donors is unmasked.

      • Citizen
        September 14, 2015, 7:18 pm

        They already do; not to mention the Israeli flag is seldom not showing in synagogues across the USA. What flag, if any, other than the US flag, is ever shown in any US church or mosque?

      • Kris
        September 14, 2015, 8:24 pm

        It’s disgusting to display the flag of any nation in a house of worship, I think.

      • RoHa
        September 14, 2015, 8:36 pm

        I’ve never seen a flag in a mosque. Would it not count as a form of idolatry?

      • ckg
        September 14, 2015, 10:07 pm

        @Citizen. Unfortunately the display of Israeli flags is quite common in U.S. evangelical churches–much to the dismay of Christian Palestinian-Americans.

      • JennieS
        September 15, 2015, 6:05 pm

        I agree with Kris that flags are inappropriate decoration for churches where a universal god is supposedly the object of worship. None the less my local evangelical church has several Israeli flags on it’s walls but our national (New Zealand) flag is absent.

  2. pabelmont
    September 14, 2015, 1:16 pm

    Dershowitz doesn’t think it’s fair Israel was “excluded from the negotiations”. (BTW, truly great photo of the great man!)

    Gosh. Gee. Not fair. Ooohhh. Frantics, fanatics. BTW, what has “fairness” got to do with much in the world today? Is it fair that Israel has nukes but has never signed the treaty? Is it fair that Greece has to suffer more and more austerity? Is it fair that USA’s public schools and highways must suffer more and more underfunding (austerity)?

    But, of course, “it isn’t fair” is a great talking point for (hard)-Zionists when talking to anyone who can be swayed by such talk. I guess American (soft)-Zionist Jews can be swayed.

  3. amigo
    September 14, 2015, 1:48 pm

    You have to wonder if zioniists get any of their private work accomplished.What with EDM,s (Extraordinary Daily meetings ) and regular calls to battle the ever increasing anti semitic BDS,ers and contain Palestinian controlled US Campuses and derail the Jew hating EU Parliaments efforts to stop Jews from building on their own lands and supply fresh oranges to a citrus starved world and invent medicines to save all those ungrateful goys , not to mention , dragging them into a new technological era with computers and mobile phones , which they then use to destroy the Jewish (only one ) State and only democracy in the middle east.

    Why , it,s enough to make any zionist break down and cry.

  4. JLewisDickerson
    September 14, 2015, 2:02 pm

    RE: that awesome photo of Alan Dershowitz, (AP Photo/Sergei Chuzavkov)

    MY COMMENT: I have always loved that photo of Dershowitz “striking a pose” in a Moscow tearoom. Nothing says “I’m a pompous ass” like that photo! ! !

    P.S. And remember, they say “imitation is the sincerest form of flattery”!

    • JLewisDickerson
      September 14, 2015, 2:29 pm

      P.P.S. DERSHOWITZ:
      You’re a superstar, yes, that’s what you are, you know it
      Strike a pose, there’s nothing to it
      Come on, vogue

      . . . Greta Garbo, and Monroe
      Deitrich and DiMaggio
      Marlon Brando, Jimmy Dean
      On the cover of a magazine

      Grace Kelly; Harlow, Jean
      Picture of a beauty queen
      Gene Kelly, Fred Astaire
      Ginger Rodgers, dance on air

      They had style, they had grace
      Rita Hayworth gave good face
      Lauren, Katherine, Lana too
      Bette Davis, we love you

      Ladies with an attitude
      Fellows that were in the mood
      Don’t just stand there, let’s get to it
      Strike a pose, there’s nothing to it . . .

      LYRICS SOURCE – http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/madonna/vogue.html

  5. JLewisDickerson
    September 14, 2015, 2:48 pm

    RE: “Universities are supposed to be places kids stretch and grow up, not follow the agenda of old donors.” ~ Robbins

    MY COMMENT: Please establish that at the University of Illinois, Steven Salaita and the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR)*! ! !

    * CCR First Wednesdays: A Palestine Exception to Free Speech? – https://ccrjustice.org/home/get-involved/events/ccr-first-wednesdays-palestine-exception-free-speech

    • JLewisDickerson
      September 14, 2015, 3:00 pm

      P.S.
      “Judge reinstates motion on evidence in Salaita suit”
      August 27, 2015
      New Gazette

      A federal judge presiding over Steven Salaita’s lawsuit has agreed to reinstate a claim that accuses the University of Illinois of destroying evidence about the decision to revoke Salaita’s job.

      At a status hearing Thursday morning in U.S. District Court in Chicago, Judge Harry Leinenweber at first said he would allow the university to respond before ruling on Salaita’s motion, filed earlier this week. But he then issued a written order allowing Salaita’s amended complaint to proceed. …

      SOURCE – https://ccrjustice.org/home/press-center/ccr-news/judge-reinstates-motion-evidence-salaita-suit

    • JLewisDickerson
      September 14, 2015, 3:46 pm

      P.P.S.
      “Another official at University of Illinois resigning”
      by Dawn Rhodes
      Chicago Tribune
      August 24, 2015

      [EXCERPT] A top administrator at the University of Illinois announced his resignation Monday, the second at the Urbana-Champaign campus to do so this month in the wake of a disclosure that officials used private email accounts for university business in hopes of getting around public records law.

      Provost Ilesanmi Adesida will step down from the administration Aug. 31 and return to his faculty position as a professor in the electrical and computer engineering department, according to a university news release.

      Adesida submitted his resignation to acting Chancellor Barbara Wilson, school officials said, having served in his position since 2012.

      “My association with the university, and particularly its outstanding faculty and students, has been a source of deep pride and fulfillment for me,” Adesida said in his letter to Wilson. “I recognize that current controversies are causing distraction to the administration and the student body, and I do not want to contribute to those distractions.”

      Adesida’s stated reasons for stepping down are reminiscent of those of former Chancellor Phyllis Wise, who unexpectedly resigned her post in early August. Wise said that “external issues” at the school were causing too much of a distraction. . .

      SOURCE – http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-university-of-illinois-provost-20150824-story.html

  6. HarryLaw
    September 14, 2015, 3:19 pm

    Apparently some Israeli officials have called for Obama to recognize the annexation of the West Bank and the Golan Heights as compensation for the Iran deal. [not asking for much are they?] https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/21055-israel-to-obama-west-bank-golan-heights-in-return-for-irans-nuclear-deal And separately on a EU Resolution on Labeling goods from occupied territory Netanyahu said … In an apparent reference to the persecution of Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe: “We have historical memory of what happened when Europe labeled Jewish products”. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/21017-netanyahu-eu-plan-to-label-settlement-goods-unjust

    • Annie Robbins
      September 14, 2015, 3:33 pm

      Apparently some Israeli officials have called for Obama to recognize the annexation of the West Bank and the Golan Heights as compensation for the Iran deal.

      omg!!!!! i will so have to open that that link.

    • eljay
      September 14, 2015, 3:42 pm

      || HarryLaw: Apparently some Israeli officials have called for Obama to recognize the annexation of the West Bank and the Golan Heights as compensation for the Iran deal. … ||

      I’d say they were crazy, but that would be understating the fact that they’re completely f*cking nuts.

      • Annie Robbins
        September 14, 2015, 3:55 pm

        lol, exactly!

      • Kay24
        September 14, 2015, 4:32 pm

        Come to think of it, so were the nazis – completely deranged and irrational in their thinking/behavior.

        The lunatics are indeed running that asylum. What are the equally crazy republicans in congress going to do with this one? If Romney was in the WH would he have gone along with this craziness?

        The UN and the rest of the world had better do something before the mistake they made in May 1948 becomes totally out of control, and the Palestinian people’s rights are all gone.

      • a blah chick
        September 14, 2015, 5:19 pm

        It’s like a serial killer sending a letter to the police saying: “I’ll stop my homicidal spree if you’ll recognize my right to the sex slaves already chained in my basement.”

    • Kay24
      September 14, 2015, 4:40 pm

      This is what the headlines say:

      “Netanyahu: EU plan to label settlement goods ‘unjust’”

      This coming from a war criminal whose actions towards those Israel occupies is anything but “just”. Perhaps Benjy does not like the consequences of his actions. You building illegal settlements against international laws, you face the consequences. Bibi can dish out but cannot take it, like most zionists. Now watch his devoted in the US run around like chickens with their heads cut off, trying to make sure this does not happen in the nation they control.

      • Annie Robbins
        September 14, 2015, 6:00 pm

        i didn’t realize they had actually voted on it kay. i think i’ve read so many times they were going to do this the reports from last week just flew past me like ‘this again’. but they did it. they voted on it at the EU parliament. this is amazing!

      • Kay24
        September 14, 2015, 6:26 pm

        Yes, they did a lot of talking about it, but finally decided to do the right thing. Now if only a miracle happens and the US also made some sense.

      • Annie Robbins
        September 15, 2015, 1:46 am

        i think the miracle might be the act of implementing it kay. it’s almost too much to believe. they’ve voted yes but will they do it? will they implement it? and if they do how long will that take? when will it start?

      • Kay24
        September 15, 2015, 7:15 am

        Annie, most of the time it is symbolic. Just like EU nations voting to recognize the State of Palestine. It is merely a gesture, but still Israel never misses the opportunity to whine and act outraged. Unfortunately we never see anything remotely symbolic like this happening in the US.

      • HarryLaw
        September 15, 2015, 7:22 am

        I think the EU Resolution mentions ‘non binding’ or ‘guide lines’ rather like the guide lines set out in a paper from the Department of Environment Food and Rural Affairs DEFRA in 2009.
        Paragraph 5: Technical advice; Labelling of produce grown in the occupied Palestinian Territories
        5. “Separately, the Government considers that traders would be misleading consumers, and would therefore almost be certainly committing an offence, if they were to declare produce from the OPT (including from the West Bank) as ‘Produce of Israel’. This would apply irrespective of whether the produce was from a Palestinian producer or from an Israeli settlement in the OPT. This is because the area does not fall within the internationally recognised borders of the state of Israel”.
        This also applies to the Golan Heights occupied at the same time by Israeli forces.
        All the laws on labeling of products are already in place in the various EU Regulations, for instance in the Golan Heights Winery example in my comment below. The relevant EU resolution is EU 607/2009 Article 55. which makes ‘country of origin’ compulsory.
        What is lacking is the political will to ENFORCE’ the legislation. As I have found personally.

    • John O
      September 14, 2015, 6:03 pm

      What a shame these people don’t have a word for chutzpah.

      • Kay24
        September 14, 2015, 6:29 pm

        They have a word, but they just don’t know the true meaning of it. :))

    • Mooser
      September 14, 2015, 6:38 pm

      “We have historical memory of what happened when Europe labeled Jewish products”.

      Now I understand. When we put the hexagram on the fighter jet tank or missle, that’s us labeling it, so it can’t do us any harm, it’s not antisemitism. Okay, got that cleared up!

      • Citizen
        September 14, 2015, 7:23 pm

        Well yes, yellow is not blue.

    • pabelmont
      September 14, 2015, 8:33 pm

      Nazis labelled products because the products were made by Jews. Here, EU seeks labelling because the products were made by Israeli citizens in OPTs. These labelling requirements don’t care if the people who made the products were Jews, Muslims, Christians, Martians, Marxians, etc., as long as they were Israeli (or the company owners were) and the place of production was OPTs.

      IMPORTANT: Here, the Israelis complain wrongly but in doing so give evidence that the settlers are not merely Israelis but also Jews. Thus settlement is part of the Israeli-48 apartheid since non-Jewish Israelis are apparently excluded from living in or doing business in OPTs, a form of apartheid in Israel-48..

      • HarryLaw
        September 15, 2015, 5:17 am

        pabelmont. You are right, Country of origin rules give the product a nationality, as it were, as an example the UK Trades Description Act 1968 section 36 gives this meaning.. “For the purposes of this Act goods shall be deemed to have been manufactured or produced in the country in which they last underwent a treatment or process resulting in a substantial change”. A more up to date and comprehensive description of same is in EU Regulation number 2913/92 Establishing the Community Customs Code Articles 23 to 26.
        Here is an example of a product produced by settlers in the occupied Golan Heights Syria.

        Because the wine is wholly produced [harvested, turned into wine and bottled] in Syria, the representations on the label and the advertising that accompanies it, claiming that Israel is the origin of the wine, is false. The notion that because Israeli settlers produced the wine is irrelevant, under country of origin rules, and every metric that is used to determine it, the wine is not produced in Israel.
        As an example, imagine a situation whereby a Frenchman taking up residence in the UK, who bought and operated an English vineyard, the harvested grapes, bottling and production wholly carried out in England, but he labelled the wine “Produced in France” and “Wine of France”. Obviously the proposition is ludicrous, and illegal. Knowing how the French love their wine it would cause a diplomatic incident if such were to happen. This example could apply to any goods from anywhere in the world, which, if accepted as normal would destroy the World Trade system.

  7. JLewisDickerson
    September 14, 2015, 6:08 pm

    RE: “Dershowitz said the Jewish community should not be moved by fear of alienation or public perception, crediting J Street and its dovish approach with the rise in anti-Israel sentiment on campus.” ~ Frydberg

    MY COMMENT: What a laugh riot! Dershowitz is clearly delusional*.

    * Dersowitz’s brain on Ziocaine™

    • Kay24
      September 14, 2015, 6:31 pm

      Dirty Dersh, like other zio servants are under the illusion that they are saving the mothership.

      He will use his own nation, like a pawn, to serve that mothership. I am sick of these little minions that work to undermine US policies.

      • pabelmont
        September 14, 2015, 8:40 pm

        Kay24: They do not work to undermine US policies but to take part in forming those policies through all-American (that is, in our times, undemocratic oligarchic) maneuvres. What’s been noticed is that pro-Zionist policies used to always prevail and no longer always do. A division appears within the oligarchy. Hwever, the oligarch BIG-DEFENSE continues to make big-bux by selling weapons to the USA which gives them to Israel and by selling weapons to the Arab states (or some of them). To some extent, BIG-DEFENSE is serving BIG-ZION in doing so. Always remember the USA’s provision to Israel of a QME (qualitative military edge).

  8. JWalters
    September 14, 2015, 6:20 pm

    “Pro Israel campus groups are top-down affairs controlled by outside lobbying groups and big time donors.”

    Why are the “big time donors” (and their dupes) so at odds with Jews who are actually knowledgeable and think for themselves? All students should wonder about this.

    Which then raises the question – Do the big time donors have a financial agenda concealed in all this? Are they like many super-wealthy, manipulating a herd they disdain? Might they actually profit from the conflicts they promote?

    Inquiring student minds want to know.

  9. lonely rico
    September 14, 2015, 7:51 pm

    >that awesome photo of Alan Dershowitz

    Not entirely clear, but it looks like the Dersh’s watch is a Mona Lisa model, in Italian “La Gioconda” (French La Joconde), the jovial one. His demeanor give little hint of joviality, the watch face out of sync with the growing negative perception of the country closest to his heart, spinning out of control on campuses across the US.
    In passing, did the Dersh ever pony up the $10K for Jenin ?

    • ziusudra
      September 15, 2015, 3:58 am

      Greetings,
      Dershowitz:
      Don’t take my word for it. Sense my Aura.
      Don’t you come away thinking,
      i’m rude, crude & socially unattractive?
      My bloodlessness is my instinctlessness.
      I’m forever blowing bubbles……..
      ziusudra
      PS He must have been a beautiful Baby
      because……..

  10. RoHa
    September 15, 2015, 1:50 am

    And (as has been mentioned before) while all this wittering about the deal is going on in the US, Russia and China are firmly established in Iran, and Britain, France, and Germany are on the ground in Iran, ready to make trade deals.

  11. edwardm
    September 15, 2015, 2:05 am

    whoa! I hope the Dershbag isn’t allowed around minors. As long as they don’t
    get on any planes with him
    http://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971

  12. Kay24
    September 15, 2015, 7:24 am

    Zionist influence seeps down under:

    “The new Australian prime minister is a self-made multi-millionaire who has strong links with the business community, progressive views for his conservative party and a level of public popularity of which the man he toppled could only dream. 
    He also says he has Jewish roots and has expressed a desire to increase ties with Israel.
    Malcolm Turnbull, the former communications minister, was sworn in on Tuesday as Australia’s fourth leader in two years, replacing Tony Abbott. Turnbull, 60, a former tech entrepreneur, merchant banker and lawyer, had long been viewed by the public as a preferred prime minister. 
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.675991

    • RoHa
      September 15, 2015, 8:17 am

      Plenty of Zionist influence in Australia already. The Greens are the only party that doesn’t suck up to the Zionists, and they are more interested in trendy environmentalism.

      • Kay24
        September 15, 2015, 8:49 am

        I know – I mentioned it to my Australian sister years ago when I saw the signs, and she did not believe me.

        Now she does, and is not too happy about it. :))

    • lysias
      September 15, 2015, 11:57 am

      It would be hard to go further in a pro-Israeli direction than Abbot. Australia was one of the few (8 in all) countries that voted in the UN against raising the Palestinian flag just a week or so ago, while Abbot was still in power. They were joined by Israel, the U.S., Harper’s Canada, and various Pacific island nations.

  13. RobertHenryEller
    September 15, 2015, 9:39 am

    Dershowitz advocates that American universities function as Zionist Madrasas.

  14. Curatica
    September 15, 2015, 10:06 am

    “…examine Israel critically…”

    Dear friends, man is not a machine controlled by a button, which can be turned to the “reason” or “emotions” positions. Man is a whole, with an inborn character, qualities and defects. The man’s worldview acquired through education and experience is grafted upon man’s inner nature.

    The wolf will always eat sheep; no matter how much one would try to reason it that it is wrong to kill; a thief will steal because it is in his thievishly nature to do so, a murderer will kill because it is in his criminal nature to do so.

    The villain is born a villain and will die a villain, and the decent man is born and will die decent. Of course, that there are degrees and shades; nothing is black and white, but “reason”, “rational understanding” can never change man’s inborn qualities or defects and make him act against his natural propensities. One can train muscles, reflexes, but one cannot create moral character, intelligence, talents or aptitudes. One is born with those.

    We all have a conscience–but its degree is variable; even a Dershowitz or a Netanyahu have theirs but they are minuscule, twisted, and inoperative. Their viciousness is so great that it prevails over anything else. Can one “reason” Netanyahu, Dershowitz, the soldiers who killed the children on the Gaza beach, or Charles Manson not to do evil? Or at least, make them become deeply remorseful, for the evil they have done? Certainly not….

    There is evil in the world, and many times, evil could be brilliantly rational, shrewd and cunning!

  15. RobertHenryEller
    September 15, 2015, 11:56 am

    “The students come to class, the teacher states the claim and students practice refuting it, based on Dershowitz’s refutations “without breaking down where those critiques were coming from. ”

    Zionist catechism.

  16. RobertHenryEller
    September 15, 2015, 12:02 pm

    “According to Dershowitz, Netanyahu has a “right” and a “duty” to seek to change US policy. He doesn’t think it’s fair Israel was “excluded from the negotiations.”

    Really? Exactly what was Israel prepared to negotiate with Iran?

    Was Israel prepared to agree to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, as Iran has? Was Israel prepared to negotiate a reduction of its own nuclear production facilities, or its own nuclear arsenal? Was Israel prepared to negotiate over Gaza and the West Bank.

    We’ve seen Israel “negotiate.”

  17. RobertHenryEller
    September 15, 2015, 12:07 pm

    Dershowitz’s first job was at a deli factory on Manhattan’s Lower East Side in 1952, at age 14. He recalls tying the strings that separated the hot dogs and once getting locked in the freezer.[18] He attended Yeshiva University High School, where he played on the basketball team. He was a rebellious student, often criticized by his teachers. The school’s career placement center told him he had talent and was capable of becoming an advertising executive, funeral director, or salesman. He later said his teachers told him to do something that “requires a big mouth and no brain … so I became a lawyer.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz#Early_life

  18. Rashers2
    September 15, 2015, 2:30 pm

    A particular sliver of my anger at and contempt for the Zio-apologists is reserved for the ‘Douche’. He is pre-eminently someone who ‘should know better’ but has chosen, instead, to prostitute himself and what intellect he has (one presumes that, without an intellect, even the ‘Douche’ couldn’t have achieved a chair at Harvard) in defence of an indefensible ideology. The man is a disgusting example of the corruption of academic ideals and aspirations, who deserves to burn in the afterlife – always assuming he doesn’t end up rotting sooner, in some gaol, on account of his alleged sexual proclivities. One lives in hope…..

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