Iran Deal’s liberation: Judaism is not Zionism

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At the height of the Iran debate in the Senate the other day, Californian Senator Dianne Feinstein eloquently defended the deal and then Texas Senator John Cornyn rose to oppose it. Outside there was a big anti-Deal rally organized by the Tea Party, along with some pro-Israel Jewish groups. Ted Cruz and Morton Klein of the Zionist Organization of America stood up for Benjamin Netanyahu.

There you had the argument in a nutshell. At Israel’s most urgent hour, who was there for it? The Republicans and rightwing Jews. Most Jewish Democrats in Congress opposed Israel’s stated desires. So did progressive Jewish groups such as Jewish Voice for Peace, Americans for Peace Now, Ameinu, and J Street.

This was the great domestic accomplishment of the Iran Deal: It has separated Zionism and Judaism, forever. What is a Zionist? Someone who supports Israel to the bitter end. A Republican or a rightwing Jew like Morton Klein or Alan Dershowitz.

But not all Jews are Zionists.

For years anti-Zionist Jews have been trying to make this argument. Zionism and Judaism are not the same thing. We oppose a racist supremacist ideology, but we like Jews.

We have lost this argument again and again. In 2002 Harvard president Lawrence Summers shut down a divestment campaign at leading schools by saying that it was anti-Semitic. Professors who had spoken up for human rights hid under their desks in shame.

Earlier this year, President Obama told the rightwing Zionist Jeffrey Goldberg that Israel is the liberation story of the Jews, and so anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.

This claim, that to be Jewish means to support Israel, is a core principle of the Israel lobby. You can hear it in the words of liberal rabbi Andy Bachman and rightwinger Abe Foxman too: We were almost destroyed in the Holocaust then we found a raft in the sea– Israel — and now we must bind together to protect that place or we could be annihilated again. We must speak as one to the powers that be. Because they cannot be trusted to support Jews on their own– look what they did during the Holocaust– and if our tiny community of Jews divides, the non-Jews will then feel free to turn on Israel.

There must be no daylight between the American government and Israel; and sealing that space is the job of American Jews. “Israel has three things it must ensure – its relationship with the United States, its relationship with the United States, and its relationship with the United States,” the Israeli president said the other day. And it has ensured those things by calling on American Jews.

But Israel called this time, and American Jews failed it. The Iran Deal began with an open declaration of American Jewish “loyalty” to Israel, expressed in the New York Times.

And it ended with the famous New York Times graphic showing that most Jewish congresspeople were not supporting Israel.

There are many reasons that so many American Jews did not stand up for Israel. The job has been going on for 40 years now, and we are sick of the job. We don’t believe in the Holocaust premise anymore, that we are vulnerable in the west; we think Jews can do fine in the west, in fact we are part of the U.S. establishment. And Israel undermined our appearance of patriotism when its prime minister came over to the Congress to try and submarine the president. Many Jews went to the ramparts over that.

But most of all it is Israel’s behavior that has destroyed this support. The racism, the massacres of Palestinian children, the unending occupation — everything you read on this site in our reports from Israel and Palestine — it is breaking through to American Jews. It’s a dirty job, and young people don’t want to do it. Harold Meyerson had an excellent column on the Iran aftermath in The Washington Post, stressing the break between American values and Israeli values, over the occupation:

One of the most striking, but not surprising, results of the Pew Research Center survey is the disenchantment that many, perhaps most, American Jews feel toward Israel. No nation can control another people and occupy its land for 48 years, as the Israelis have the Palestinians, without brutalizing and coarsening themselves, eroding many of the high moral hopes that American Jews once invested in Israel. Some older Jews are still attached to the Israel of 1948, to the scrappy but long-vanished Israel of kibbutz egalitarianism — one reason, perhaps, that three Jewish members from Florida, home to so many Jewish retirees, oppose the Iran deal. Under Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, however, Israel’s values have become less universal and more dangerously tribal — appealing to the more tribal and self-segregating sensibilities of America’s Orthodox, and less and less to the more liberal and cosmopolitan sensibilities of the American Jewish majority.

The occupation is also what motivated two Connecticut Jewish leaders to invite supporters of BDS, boycott, divestment and sanctions, into their synagogue privately, last month. As the leaders wrote in the Forward, the Stalinist policy of American Jewish unanimity on Israel was actually endangering Jews by convincing other Americans that we always stick together.

[T]he coordinated refusal of mainstream Jewish organizations to entertain debate about BDS may actually hurt us in our fight against rising anti-Semitism. Last year’s ADL study premised a showing of significantly increasing anti-Semitism on responders seeing Jews not as individuals but as a monolithic group. Yet the “excommunication” of supporters of BDS, pressuring others not to dialogue (as our synagogue was pressured) or even throwing out chapters that merely entertain debate on BDS (as Hillel has done) might suggest to the average listener that there is a monolithic Jewish “establishment,” which those of us within the American Jewish community know does not exist.

So Jews considered anti-Semites were invited into a Connecticut synagogue, in part to show the non-Jewish world that we actually have diversity.

But there was a monolith once. We did stick together. That was the premise of the Israel lobby. (And in fact, that sticking together helped produce the Iraq War, inasmuch as Democrats were not compelled to talk about Israel’s interest in 2002-2003, even as Israel pressed its interest.)

Today we are no longer sticking together. Some Jews support the Iran Deal, some oppose it. Some Jews support Israel, some oppose it and even want to boycott it.

Today, Judaism and Zionism are no longer united in the American Jewish mind. This is the great liberation of the Iran Deal.

Soon anti-Zionists and Zionists will be openly arguing inside the Jewish tent; and we anti-Zionists will begin to win, because we believe in a simple principle, equality, which John Brown said was in the Golden Rule and the Declaration of Independence.

Soon Palestinian human rights will at last count for something in the official American Jewish community. The era of Palestinian freedom is beginning with Jewish freedom.

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  1. Helena Cobban
    September 13, 2015, 11:34 am

    There is a long and distinguished history of non-Zionism and anti-Zionism in the American Jewish community that needs to be resurrected and highlighted. For example, most supporters of the Jewish Bund (socialist labor organization) in the US were non- or anti-Zionist. There was Nahum Goldman. There was the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, which well into the 1970s had almost physical tussles with the Zionist emissaries at the Vienna train station at which Jews emigrating from the Soviet Union would arrive. (Hias wanted the arrivals to be given free choice of where they would head, and offered aid if they should choose to come to the US. The Zionists absolutely did not want free choice, but wanted to corral them all onto the next plane for Tel Aviv.)

    It wasn’t till quite a time after 1967 that the pro-Zionists started to dominate all the US Jewish organizations, federations, etc. Their campaign of constant conflation of Judaism and Zionism has become stronger and stronger in recent years. Thank G-d that a combination of JVP’s stellar organizing and Netanyahu’s arrrogant over-reach has now forced a major crack in that conflation!

    • Krauss
      September 13, 2015, 1:03 pm

      I’m glad you brought up the Bund. People often forget just how monolithically popular the Bund was back in its day.

      I’m reading a lot of Jewish history on the time right before the Russian revolution and right after it and the Zionists were really just a marginal force. The Bund had an overwhelming popular support and a non-Zionist/anti-Zionist mandate.

      It’s not that the issue wasn’t discussed, it was, endlessly, it just didn’t catch on. The vast majority of Jews were deeply skeptical. Remember, this is post-pogroms of the 1880s.

      If it weren’t for WWII, it’s an open question if most Jews would be Zionists today.

    • CigarGod
      September 13, 2015, 1:05 pm

      Don’t forget, there was a violent struggle between zionists and non- zionist jews in Israel…even 90+ years ago.

    • jon s
      September 14, 2015, 6:00 am

      Nahum Goldmann was a prominent Zionist, president of the WZO. Why he’s mentioned as an example of anti-Zionism or non-Zionism is beyond me.

      As to the dispute between HIAS and Zionist emissaries : as I recall, one of the problems was that the Jews had applied for ,and been granted, visas for immigration to Israel. The HIAS representatives said that the Jews shouldn’t be held to conditions dictated by the Soviet regime. Once out, they could “change their minds.” The Zionists argued that the Soviet authorities will come to the conclusion that they are being tricked, and will re-close the gates.

  2. a blah chick
    September 13, 2015, 11:41 am

    1859 redux.

    Also a great picture of a great man, who has yet to be fully appreciated by history.

    • Elisabeth
      September 14, 2015, 4:15 am

      Yes, he is great. I especially visited Harpers Ferry when I studied in the US.

  3. Boomer
    September 13, 2015, 11:42 am

    I respect Philip, Helena, and the many worthy people who comment here, but when I reflect on the realities here and in Israel/Palestine, I have to think it is time to admit defeat. The Zionists are in control, here and in Israel/Palestine. They have what they want. Can anything change that?

    • Krauss
      September 13, 2015, 1:02 pm

      I’ve often sounded a note of caution on the success BDS can have.
      Ultimately, I don’t see Israel being seriously damaged by BDS economically. Nor do I see it ever being defeated militarily.

      In the end, it is a question of culture. Israel will soon become completely isolated from the rest of the West. Their last firewall will not be Jews; but rather right-wing Christians and a token minority of very few hardline Orthodox Jews.

      I think a lot of diaspora Jews, like Bret Stephens of the WSJ, have Israel as their guiding star for their identity. I don’t think Israel really needs the galut for anything else than political cover.

      This is the ultrimate friction point, the vast power imbalance between state and diaspora. One needs the other for self-affirmation, the other only needs its counterpart for cash and political favors. Is this “love”?

      As Israel will gradually be at sea, alone, without any major group of friends, this question will be sharpened. It has never considered its immediate neighbourhood to be interesting, it respects China and India but ultimately has an entirely different culture and it is now standing to be rejected by the West, which it considers itself part of and which it reveres.

      Israel’s future will depend on whether it can withstand this crushing cultural isolation and I am not so certain that it wouldn’t be able to.

      • pabelmont
        September 13, 2015, 1:36 pm

        What does “rejected by the West” mean in practicalities? What holds EU and South America back from attacking Israel in the mode of seeking to enforce international law?

        I’d say it is not commitment to Zionism that prevents this but power politics, the USA being dominated by Zionist-dominated big-money.

        What is Zionist-dominated big-money? I would not be surprised if Goldman Sachs and other big-money (and nominally non-Zionist) entities, all part of the American oligarchy, turned out to be using money-power to support Israel. And BIG-DEFENSE clearly supports the give-aways to Israel and the sales to other M/E countries. Thus, in effect, Boeing et al. are in the Zionist camp.

      • Citizen
        September 13, 2015, 4:38 pm

        @ Krauss
        Yep. Follow the money. Endless supply of crass, willfully ignorant opportunistic goys in 98% goy USA. Sheldon Adelson types got it covered.It’s embarrassing to any humanitarian.

    • amigo
      September 13, 2015, 1:27 pm

      “They have what they want. Can anything change that? ” Boomer.

      They will continue for another 10 years , taking what they want but they will never ever realise the greater Israel without the Palestinians.The world , while it moves slowly to intervene is getting fed up with this spoiled brat and when the push back comes it will not be stopped.Israel will drown in it,s sea of isolation and Jews of influence will leave for greener pastures.What is left will be a divided country and civil war.No sweat off my brow.They refused to listen so let them lie in the bed they made.

      No one should admit defeat to these criminals.EVER.

    • John O
      September 13, 2015, 2:28 pm

      @Boomer

      It’s a long, slow process; and there’s no tipping point (for they can only be seen with hindsight). But there are several things that make me hopeful (from my standpoint here in the UK/Europe):

      The Israeli football team attracting protests in Cardiff;

      Netanyahu attracting protests during his almost secret visit to London (and a conspicuous absence of press conferences, TV interviews and general publicity with regard to same);

      The election of Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the opposition in the UK by an overwhelming majority, despite the best efforts of the Jewish Chronicle and others to smear him;

      And, on a personal note, my fellow allotment-holder, Keith, who’s just back, with fellow members of his church, from a week in Macedonia, helping Middle Eastern refugees trying to find safe haven in Europe – part of a revolt against the awful “Realpolitik” politicians who have brought us to this pass.

      • Citizen
        September 13, 2015, 4:44 pm

        I agree Corbyn is a good sign; until him, nobody has rubber-stamped US foreign policy like England.

      • MHughes976
        September 13, 2015, 5:35 pm

        There is enough hope to make deafeatism unjustified. It’s a long haul. We’ve got to keep going.

      • Bumblebye
        September 13, 2015, 6:35 pm

        @Citizen

        Well, for around 50 years. Labour PM Harold Wilson upset the US back in the 60’s when he refused to commit us to joining in the Vietnam war.

      • RoHa
        September 13, 2015, 8:19 pm

        @Citizen.

        I take exception to that claim. When it comes to brown-nosing the USA, no-one beats Australia.

      • straightline
        September 14, 2015, 1:13 am

        Have to agree with RoHa, Citizen. We’ve just joined the Syrian turkey shoot – or is it the Turkey Syrian shoot? Admittedly the UK did join the US in this first, but we did it more obsequiously.
        Wilson did a great job in keeping UK out of Vietnam unlike the other Harold – “All the way with LBJ” – and look what happened to him in the end.

      • RockyMissouri
        September 14, 2015, 12:04 pm

        Yes! Electing Corbyn is a very good sign!! Very hopeful…

      • amigo
        September 14, 2015, 12:29 pm

        The upside of Corbyns election as Labour Leader , is that even if he does not get the top slot , as Opposition leader he will be quizzing Cameron during Prime minister,s question time.This will afford an opportunity to up the ante , v what pip squeak Milliband offered.

        Slowly but surely the screw is turning on the zionist project.Slowly but surely , those who think Israel ( great or small ) will last forever , will see the fantasy of their claim.

    • RockyMissouri
      September 14, 2015, 11:55 am

      Millions of dollars of U.S. money and military aid could adjust their attitude I’ll wager.

  4. Steve Grover
    September 13, 2015, 11:53 am

    Weiss Sez:
    “Soon anti-Zionists and Zionists will be openly arguing inside the Jewish tent”
    Anti-Zionists will never be inside the “Jewish Tent”. They will continue be viewed as fools who are persona non grata. There will always be an American and Israeli flag on the bimas at every synagogue and in the lobbies of every community center. Think of that when you hear the sound of the Shofar tomorrow. But of course Weiss you won’t be near anywhere the sound of a Shofar can be heard.

    • Mooser
      September 13, 2015, 1:50 pm

      “Anti-Zionists will never be inside the “Jewish Tent”.”

      Hey Grover! Mj Rosenberg in The Nation:

      ” The truth, however, is that 82 percent of American Jews belong to no Jewish organizations at all, meaning not only that there is no organization that speaks for them, but that no organization even knows exactly who they are.”

      Okay, Grover, take the estimated 6M and find 18% of it. Then let Beinart add: About, at most 10 to 20% of that number is Orthodox or Traditional Conservative. Do the math, Grover.

      And enjoy your tiny tent. The vast, vast majority of Jews are already out of your pup- tent.

    • Mooser
      September 13, 2015, 1:55 pm

      “Anti-Zionists will never be inside the “Jewish Tent”.”

      Grover, you would cut off my monthly Jewish stipend because of my political opinions? Does this mean my mortgage and loan rates will go up? That’s not fair!
      A Jew in America who is thrust out of the “Jewish Tent” will starve in the streets like a dog! Please be more tolerant of us Grover! Don’t condemn us to destruction!

    • Mooser
      September 13, 2015, 1:56 pm

      “Think of that when you hear the sound of the Shofar tomorrow.”

      Instead recalling the last time I ate popcorn and beer?

      You want some good Shofar? Here you go, “Grubner”

      (Yeowsa! I had forgotten how good!)

    • amigo
      September 13, 2015, 2:18 pm

      ” They will continue be viewed as fools who are persona non grata -” S grover.

      Actually you described perfectly what every Israeli will be in 10 years or less.

      Unwanted, unwelcome , disrespected and untrusted.

      Some ten years ago , two Israeli visitors were refused a room in a rural hotel in Ireland.They had been bragging about Israel.The local hotelier told them they were persona non grata.They called the local police who told them the hotelier , like all hotels had the right to reserve admission.They threatened to sue but were told they were wasting their time and it would be better to get on a plane and go home and sort Israel out.Then come back.

      This is the future for most Israelis . Maybe they will get the message , eventually.

      • CigarGod
        September 13, 2015, 2:21 pm

        Nice!
        Irish Cowboys!

      • Kris
        September 13, 2015, 4:05 pm

        @amigo: “They threatened to sue but were told they were wasting their time and it would be better to get on a plane and go home and sort Israel out.Then come back.”

        Great story!

      • amigo
        September 14, 2015, 5:25 am

        Response to Cigar God and Kris.

        You could use Grover,s words and say the Irish Hotelier reserved right of admission to “His tent”.

    • Mooser
      September 13, 2015, 3:02 pm

      “Anti-Zionists will never be inside the “Jewish Tent”. They will continue be viewed as fools who are persona non grata.”

      And Grover knows what that means! It means a larger share for him!

    • diasp0ra
      September 13, 2015, 4:04 pm

      “Anti-Zionists will never be inside the “Jewish Tent””

      Thankfully, you’re not the person with the authority to decide who gets to be counted under the “Jewish Tent”.

      SG, your complete arrogance and lack of empathy is only tolerable because when it all crashes down your reaction will be one I will savor.

      • Mooser
        September 13, 2015, 7:36 pm

        “Thankfully, you’re not the person with the authority to decide who gets to be counted under the “Jewish Tent”.

        “Grovner” thinks a cohort of at most 250,000 Jews will dictate to the rest of the world’s 14-15 million Jews. It’s not going to happen.

        So Grover, what’s the big threat you hold over us. Keeping us out of the tent? Gee, what’s in there you can’t share?

    • Citizen
      September 13, 2015, 4:47 pm

      Mayhaps, Dick & Jane should look closely at those Israeli flags in Jewish temples on US land. Is there any flag but the US flag hanging inside any US church? Any foreign state flag hanging inside a mosque on US land?

    • RoHa
      September 13, 2015, 7:30 pm

      “Anti-Zionists will never be inside the “Jewish Tent”. They will continue be viewed as fools who are persona non grata. ”

      So you are saying that Jews will never understand morality?

      That they will always support murder of children, theft, lying, and a host of other evils?

      That they will always be totally devoid of humanity and basic decency?

      Seems a bit anti-Semitic to me.

    • Mooser
      September 13, 2015, 7:59 pm

      “There will always be an American and Israeli flag on the bimas at every synagogue and in the lobbies of every community center. Think of that when you hear the sound of the Shofar tomorrow. “

      Oh, “Grover” on the subject of US antisemitism, did you know the US government flat refused to devote a dime of FDA, or ICC, or NIH resources to inspecting Kosher food, insuring Kosher standards, or providing a place for Kosher foods in the market? They did all that safe-food stuff for all the Gentiles, but nothing to help Jews eat safely! Nothing! Gentiles, G-d forbid they should have a microbe in their food, but Jews can eat trefe till their eyes bubble for all the US government cares.

    • RobertHenryEller
      September 14, 2015, 9:27 am

      Mr. Grover: What do you call someone who disobeys, and who supports those who disobey, three of the Ten Commandments, which tell Jews not to lie, not to steal and not to murder? A 70% Jew?

      What do you call someone who disobeys, and who supports those who disobey, the teachings of Leviticus, the teachings of Rabbi Hillel, to do unto others as one does unto one’s self?

      I won’t tell you what I call such people, Mr. Grover. But I don’t call them Jews.

      And while you’re at a Synagogue tomorrow with Israeli and American flags on the bima, wrapping yourself in those flags the way the righteous of the bible wrapped themselves in flags (I know that happens in the bible, somewhere.), the warnings about false idols.

      • eljay
        September 14, 2015, 9:46 am

        || RobertHenryEller: Mr. Grover: What do you call someone who disobeys, and who supports those who disobey, three of the Ten Commandments, which tell Jews not to lie, not to steal and not to murder? … ||

        Four of the ten: Do not lie, do not steal, do not kill and do not covet.

    • echinococcus
      September 14, 2015, 4:15 pm

      There will always be an American and Israeli flag on the bimas at every synagogue and in the lobbies of every community center

      I always opposed confusing Judaism and the Zionist crime against humanity but you are forcing a conclusion. If what you say were true, Judaism would be nothing but an adoration of conquest and genocide. Any national flag in a temple would of course disqualify it as a religion by making it an adoration of a nation-state, anyway.

      Also you are lying. I can’t see a Zionist entity flag in an NK temple.

      • RoHa
        September 14, 2015, 8:21 pm

        I thought Judaism had a rule about setting up “images”. Does it only apply to graven ones?

  5. ckg
    September 13, 2015, 12:41 pm

    It’s hard not to share your pessimism, Boomer. And just think what would happen if John Brown were a Palestinian advocate today.

  6. tommy
    September 13, 2015, 1:10 pm

    One must ask why preventing Iran from developing a nuclear industry is required to liberate Judaism from Zionism? Even if this is the result of the international agreement, the coercion used to force Iran to abandon its legal development of a domestic nuclear industry was a bipartisan policy of not only American and Israeli Jews, but of Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives. Until a deal is made eliminating America’s military aid and reducing its economic aid to the state of Israel, and includes a defense of Palestine that is as vigorous as the support of Israel’s aggression has been, the schism between American Judaism and Zionism is only symbolic.

    • Sibiriak
      September 13, 2015, 3:18 pm

      Philip Weiss: At Israel’s most urgent hour, who was there for it? The Republicans and rightwing Jews.
      ————————————-

      The premise is all wrong. How was this “Israel’s most urgent hour”? Really, how? This deal is good for U.S. imperialism, good for Israel, good for Zionism. You’d have to actually believe Netanyahu’s lies about Iran to believe it was “Israel’s most urgent hour.”

      ——————————-
      What is a Zionist? Someone who supports Israel to the bitter end.

      Yes. But you conflate Netanyahu’s policies with Israel. A Zionist can very well oppose Netanyahu– yet continue to support Israel to the bitter end.

      • Citizen
        September 13, 2015, 4:52 pm

        RE: “A Zionist can very well oppose Netanyahu– yet continue to support Israel to the bitter end. ”

        Yes, they are really into most effective PR. Bibi doesn’t make that easy.

  7. amigo
    September 13, 2015, 1:15 pm

    The irony is that Netanyahu and co have used the excuse that Iran wants to destroy Israel.Wipe it it of the map as it were.Of course those of us who have the benefit of an honest intellect know he was referring to “The Zionist regime” and now he can sit back and watch said regime commit Hari Kari while Iran moves on and repairs it,s image with the rest of the world.

    For me , it is a wonderful source of enjoyment and sublime pleasure.Thank you nietty.You are the greatest ally the Palestinians ever had.Thanks also to hophead and ivri and Yonah and Jon S and catalan and mayhem and let,s not overlook Jeff, B,s periodic contributions to the demise of Zionism. Super job and keep pounding your keyboards , the Palestinians need your undivided attention.

    • Kris
      September 13, 2015, 4:18 pm

      Amigo, don’t overlook Steve Grover’s important contributions to the hateful, stereotypical image that the Jewish Zionist commenters here have worked so hard to create and maintain.

      • Mooser
        September 13, 2015, 7:46 pm

        “don’t overlook Steve Grover’s important contributions to the hateful, stereotypical image”

        On the other hand, “Grover” is doing a good deal to dispel that old stereotype about excessive Jewish abstemiousness.

  8. Sibiriak
    September 13, 2015, 3:41 pm

    Philip Weiss: But Israel called this time, and American Jews failed it.
    —————–

    No, Netanyahu called, and American Jews (among others) failed him .

    What we are witnessing here isn’t necessarily a historic shift among Jews toward anti-Zionism, but rather, at this point at least, a reaffirmation and re-invigoration of so-called liberal Zionism, a non-maximalist Zionism seeking the continuation of Israel with a majority Jewish population, but willing to accept a two-state settlement based on the “international consensus”.

  9. JLewisDickerson
    September 13, 2015, 4:44 pm

    That photo of John Brown is almost as scary as this photo of S.C. Sen. John C. Calhoun.
    Go Figure! ! !

  10. gingershot
    September 13, 2015, 6:13 pm

    ‘Zionism is not Judaism; Judaism is not Zionism’ – it’s in the air for me today…

    I was reading an article from today’s Forward entitled ‘Why Jeremy Corbyn Scares British Jews So Much’ and amongst other crimes the Forward article charged Jeremy Corbyn as having met with quote unquote ‘holocaust denier’ Paul Eisen – googling Eisen I came across this great article where he quotes and explores the concept

    ‘Jewish Power’ By Paul Eisen
    http://www.righteousjews.org/article10.html

    • John O
      September 13, 2015, 6:48 pm

      This canard was started by the Jewish Chronicle, which – in a moment of momentous irony – chose to accept the word of a Holocaust denier against that of Corbyn.

      • ritzl
        September 13, 2015, 9:18 pm

        Forgive me John O, but sometimes I think in images and what you pointed out above made one flash.

        The image in this case is that if one connected all the dots between these swirly logic points, use of a Holocaust denier alternately as proof and a second later as an object of derision and warning, selective projection without self-examination, up-is-downism when attempting to argue facts and morality, reserving righteousness for one’s self despite any evidence while castigating “others” for thinking about doing what you actually do,… etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., the uncountable lines connecting the dots would create a perfect portrait of four happy kids playing soccer on a Gaza beach last summer (just before they were turned into bloody mush by an Israeli shell or two).

        IOW, an embedded, divine warning of the wrongness of it all.

    • Boomer
      September 14, 2015, 6:37 am

      re Paul Eisen, thanks for the link

    • b.grand
      September 15, 2015, 12:48 am

      Thanks for the Eisen link. In his essay he references Henry Herskovitz, whose reports at Deir Yassin Remembered make good reading. Here is one from Feb. 21 this year.

      http://blog.deiryassin.org/2015/02/22/report-on-beth-israel-vigil-02-21-15/
      Are Jews Manipulating the BDS Movement?
      excerpt-
      “Since her presentation was informal, I brought up the statement made by Rebecca Wilkommerson (executive director of JVP) that “The occupation, with US military and financial support is the root cause” of the violence in Palestine. I tried to ask her if a better explanation wasn’t “The root cause of the conflict in Palestine-Israel is the creation and maintenance by force of a Jewish state in a territory with a non-Jewish majority?” She cut me off in mid-sentence, however, claiming she wanted to continue her report on the “successes” of the BDS movement.”

    • RockyMissouri
      September 15, 2015, 12:32 pm

      Allison Weir was painted with a similar brush as this guy, Eisen. IMO. That article is very interesting. Are the things he writes about Deir Yassin not truthful..?

  11. Rodneywatts
    September 13, 2015, 6:18 pm

    The differences in the realities of those who lead the states of Iran and Israel are well reported today by The Times of Israel which reports the ‘Shana Tova’ greeting to all Jews by Rouhani – especially to Iranian Jews
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/jews-get-new-year-greeting-from-irans-president/
    and Al Jazeera that reports the Israeli NGO Peace Now findings that the Israeli government is facilitating aid to Jewish extremists while Shaket et al are trying to cut back funding to other NGO’s.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/09/israel-facilitating-aid-jewish-extremists-150908081548993.html

    Anyway the truth of the heinous acts of israel continue to be revealed and the verity of Phil’s thesis above is surely enhanced.

  12. JWalters
    September 13, 2015, 7:53 pm

    American Jews are discovering Israel is not what it was sold as.

  13. rensanceman
    September 13, 2015, 8:18 pm

    Sibiriak: the ultimate goal of Zionism is a resurrection of Eretz Israel which, far from only coveting one half of Israel, envisions an Israel whose borders extend from Egypt, most of Lebanon, two thirds of Syria, and a part of Jordan. The spirit of Hertzl and Ben Guerian is still strong among dedicated Zionist. Netanyahu’s father was there at the beginning and Netanyahu will never deviate from that policy. General Wesley Clarks’ dramatic revelation that the U.S. was going to “take out” seven countries in the next five years showed the hand of the Zionist hijacking our foreign and military policy to achieve their goal.

  14. yourstruly
    September 13, 2015, 8:27 pm

    Today Judaism and Zionism are no longer united in the American Jewish mind. Well enough, but it’s just as important that non-Jewish Americans also recognize that this is so. As for the the Iran deal being liberatory for Jews, this may be true in the sense that false beliefs are as shackles on the mind, but for the Jew (all peoples, actually), the attainment of justice for the Palestinian people will be the ultimate moment of truth. So while it’s quite natural that we acknowledge to ourselves the importance of this victory over Zionism, not to forget that this much anticipated victory lies just ahead. Onward together!

    • Mooser
      September 14, 2015, 5:30 pm

      “The threat of the Iranian nuke has been a major Israeli concern since the time of Rabin twenty years ago.”

      Yeah, an existential threat. So what isn’t over there? Big deal.

  15. yonah fredman
    September 14, 2015, 12:23 am

    The threat of the Iranian nuke has been a major Israeli concern since the time of Rabin twenty years ago. When Rabin was asked about his concessions to Arafat in the Oslo accords he cited Iran, as in: it is important for Israel to align its actions with the United States regarding the Palestinians, so as to gain US support regarding Israel’s fears regarding Iran and nuclear weapons. (implying that the concessions made to Arafat were not in the realm of existential dangers, but the threat of an Iranian nuke did fall into that category.) It has been the particular focus of Netanyahu in recent years with constant threats to attack Iran despite American opposition to such an attack. Thus, this Iran deal is not minor, but a major milestone in Israel’s relations to Iran and the US.

    Bibi’s blunt manner, particularly coming to talk to the Congress last March, has made the divergent interests of Israel and the US more apparent than ever before. It is not possible to gauge how the bad manners will play out over the next few years of Bibi’s premiership, nor how it will play out after Bibi gives up the prime minister’s chair. I think that Israel’s weakest link of support in terms of the Congress will continue to be in the Democratic party, particularly given the anti Obama reaction of the Republican party that feels that Obama has weakened the United States vis a vis foreign policy.

    (Congressmen are very vulnerable to the financial necessities of campaign funding and thus I do not expect any revolutions in the short term vis a vis Congressional support for Israel.) the iran deal was an exception rather than the rule, that is Congress will continue to support Israel when there is not a need to go against Israel because a sitting democratic president has staked the entire legacy of his foreign policy achievements on the approval of his policy. As a rule the primary changes vis a vis foreign policy will continue to take place in the presidency and not in the Congress.

    It seems highly unlikely that Obama will attempt to further distance himself from Israel in the 14 months he has left before the next presidential elections.

    Now to the issue raised by this column here: the support of American Jews for Zionism. I think it is useful to consult the Pew poll of two years ago (october 1, 2013). http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/10/jewish-american-full-report-for-web.pdf
    In that poll Jews by religion were much more attached to Israel than Jews of no religion. 76% of Jews by religion were attached to Israel (30 percent very attached and 46% somewhat attached) and only 45% of Jews of no religion were similarly attached to Israel (12% very attached and 33% somewhat attached). The idea that the Iran deal would result in highly different percentages just two years after that poll stretches the imagination. Of course the percentage of Jews of no religion will increase over time based upon the answers of the young to the Pew poll and certainly some erosion of attachment to Israel has probably occurred among both Jews by religion and among Jews of no religion as a result of this battle and Bibi’s behavior . But the complete turnaround that Phil’s post here is trumpeting (metaphor appropriate to the holiday) is certainly unproven.

    (To state something controversial in blunt language: I would say that there are three pillars for Jewish antiZionism: 1. rooting for the underdog, 2. a lessened attachment to Judaism or Jewishness and 3. naivete regarding what a post Zionist Israel Palestine will look like.)

    But to return to the Pew poll for a moment: The percentage of Jews by religion who expressed a special responsibility to care for Jews in need was 71% and the percentage of Jews of no religion who expressed that responsibility was 36%. Thus there is a high correlation between attachment to Israel and a feeling of responsibility towards Jews in need. Phil Weiss is constantly harping on the fact that Jews who support Israel must feel that the US is unsafe for Jews. Maybe he has some poll that backs this contention. (He has never presented any such poll and it is more logical to assume that he is basing this contention on something other than polling results.) What is clear from the Pew poll is that Jews who support Israel feel a need to help Jews in need. And I do not think that a large percentage of Jews who felt a need to help Jews in need two years ago changed their mind and no longer feel a need to help Jews in need today just because Bibi is a discourteous man who thinks with his elbows. I think most of the Jews who express a responsibility towards Jews two years ago still feel that today and that most of those also feel an attachment to Israel.

    • Citizen
      September 14, 2015, 2:10 pm

      @ yonah fredman
      What you say makes sense to me; seems a fair reading of the current tea leaves, but I have a problem with this:

      “Thus there is a high correlation between attachment to Israel and a feeling of responsibility towards Jews in need. Phil Weiss is constantly harping on the fact that Jews who support Israel must feel that the US is unsafe for Jews. Maybe he has some poll that backs this contention. (He has never presented any such poll and it is more logical to assume that he is basing this contention on something other than polling results.) ”

      When Beiden, talking at an annual AIPAC convention, told the audience Israel was due total support always by the USA, he explained this claimed conviction by further asserting that Israel was the sole insurance policy against further attempts to exterminate the Jewish people, adding that not even the US was exempt from doing this. He got giant hand claps. What poll do you have to suggest his logic is wrong?

      • RoHa
        September 14, 2015, 7:57 pm

        “told the audience Israel was due total support always by the USA, he explained this claimed conviction by further asserting that Israel was the sole insurance policy against further attempts to exterminate the Jewish people, ”

        This excuse for Israel depends, of course, on the assumption that Jews are more important than Palestinians. It’s just Saleema’s “We matter and you don’t ” again.

        I’m prepared to turn the argument on its head, and suggest that, if such a monstrosity as Israel is necessary for the survival of the Jewish people, then the Jewish people should not survive.

        But I’m sure I’ll get into all sorts of trouble for that.

      • yonah fredman
        September 15, 2015, 12:48 am

        citizen- On the topic of: Israel is insurance against another Holocaust, a formulation raised by Joe Biden, let me say this. Today there are two major Jewish centers of population in the world: the US and Israel. The suggestion that the Jews should be happy with only one major Jewish population center (here in the US) seems to put all the Jewish eggs in one basket, which just on its face seems to be antithetical to the wisdom of dispersion as a survival technique. (and of course, when the words survival technique are mentioned to Jews, you know the immediate association is to literal survival and the Shoah.)
        I think such fears are not far from a group that considers Holocaust consciousness to be the most important manifestation of Jewishness. (see the Pew poll). I think it is largely irrational and illogical and Phil is voicing the illogical aspects of this obsession/preoccupation in order to discourage this line of thought. I suppose that at an Aipac convention these fears are not far from the surface and Phil is not trying to convince Aipac convention attendees that they should stop thinking such negative thoughts about the Jewish future in America. He is addressing those who are borderline between liberal Zionism and antiZionism. And he is saying to them, if you agree with me that these fears are irrational then you must choose antiZionism because without this irrational fear there is no reason to be a supporter of Israel. But I am asserting that the logic of a Jew’s concern for Israel’s survival does not need the ultimate fear of genocide to justify itself. It is enough for a Jew to feel concern for their fellow Jews to justify support for Israel. One need not dig into the irrational fears in order to justify such support.

        (I think the irrational aspect of Biden’s insight is discouraging, for if the fear of the Holocaust reigns supreme it is difficult to utilize and mobilize the rational part of the (collective) Jewish mind. And it is the rational part of the mind that needs encouragement in order for Jews worldwide to realize that in the long range, some sort of scheme of coexistence, modus vivendi, is needed for the Israeli Jews and the Palestinian nonJews to weather the current conflict and begin to imagine a future of survival and life. This appeal to the irrational is not helpful on Biden’s part.)

      • yonah fredman
        September 15, 2015, 12:54 am

        Roha- You have made clear that you are opposed to Jewish survival. Period. Here’s your point of view as I comprehend it. The Jews are a small nation. Small nations should do their utmost to disappear to make life friction free for all the big nations. The fact that the Palestinians suffer and world peace is threatened are only icing on the cake in regards to your argument. You want the Jews to disappear. Period.

      • CigarGod
        September 15, 2015, 10:20 am

        Your fears are waaay too small, dude. You should be worried about our huge anti-semitic sun exploding and incinerating every trace of jewish dna on the planet.

      • Mooser
        September 15, 2015, 12:38 pm

        82% of Jews in the US do not affiliate with any Jewish organizations. In fact, nobody really knows who they are. I’m paraphrasing MJ Rosenberg, I can get the exact quote.

        Every time you argue with “Yonah” or “Jon s” about “Jews” or “the Jews”, you are giving them, to start with, a huge advantage, by not making them specify which Jews they think they are speaking for. If only 18% of Jews (of the aprox. 6M) are ‘active’ members, and out of that maybe 10% is Orthodox/ Conservative how on earth can they claim anything?
        As MJ Rosenberg says: “Nobody really knows who they are” (that has been my feeling, but I figger MJ Rosenberg keeps up on this subject and whatever figures can be gathered, much better than I do)
        And then, of course, we get to that poor, woebegone, bedraggled person, the fractional Jew….

      • Mooser
        September 15, 2015, 12:47 pm

        “The suggestion that the Jews should be happy with only one major Jewish population center (here in the US) seems to put all the Jewish eggs in one basket, which just on its face seems to be antithetical to the wisdom of dispersion as a survival technique.”

        How are you defining ‘the Jews” (the Jews should be happy….) Yonah. Are you talking about all the 6 million Jews in the US, (and the fractional derivatives thereof,) or are you really talking about the 110,000 Orthodox/ hard-core Conservative Jews?
        Please, if that’s who you are talking about, please say so, as they are the most visible and may require special protection.

      • Mooser
        September 15, 2015, 1:09 pm

        ” It is enough for a Jew to feel concern for their fellow Jews to justify support for Israel.”

        Because the Zionists were sent by God, and are always right? Because the Israeli Right-wing, the IDF and settlers represent God’s will on earth?
        “Yonah” nearly every single Jew who is critical of Israel cares about the issue (to some extent) because they “feel concern for their fellow Jews”! Or are they all lying?

      • echinococcus
        September 15, 2015, 2:27 pm

        Mr Fredman stepping in it again:

        The Jews are a small nation. Small nations should do their utmost to disappear to make life friction free for all the big nations

        What “nation”? Do you think you can peddle that nonsense on MW, where there are a good number of antizionists? Any proof of that ridiculous concept of Jewish “nation”?

        Really, Reb Fredman, I have not an atom in common with you.
        Just some level of provincial tribal solidarity does not a nation make.

      • RoHa
        September 16, 2015, 12:52 am

        “The suggestion that the Jews should be happy with only one major Jewish population center (here in the US) seems to put all the Jewish eggs in one basket, which just on its face seems to be antithetical to the wisdom of dispersion as a survival technique.”

        And yet Zionists seem to want to put all the Jewish eggs into the Israel basket. But, even if there were only one major Jewish population centre, dispersion would still be achieved by the numerous minor Jewish population centres that exist in many countries of the world.

      • Mooser
        September 16, 2015, 12:20 pm

        “The suggestion that the Jews should be happy with only one major Jewish population center (here in the US) seems to put all the Jewish eggs in one basket,”

        I’ve always liked this all-rightnik version of the American anti-semitism which makes us flee to Israel. It’s a fantasy that doesn’t include the “no-fly” list, and “frozen assets” or “surveillance”. It’s a huge rise in anti-semitism which allows Jews plenty of time to sell their houses, convert their assets, and charter a flight with kosher meals to Israel. I don’t see it working that way, but hey, neither of us know. I’m not even sure it will happen.

      • eljay
        September 16, 2015, 12:54 pm

        || yonah fredman: … The suggestion that the Jews should be happy with only one major Jewish population center (here in the US) seems to put all the Jewish eggs in one basket … ||

        1. Why do people who choose to be Jewish require any “major Jewish population center” in order to be happy?
        2. What is it about numerous “minor Jewish population centers” that makes Jewish people unhappy?
        3. What is it about being citizens of a country – part of and on equal footing with that country’s “major population center” – that makes people who choose to be Jewish unhappy?
        4. As long as people in countries around the world choose to be Jewish, Jewish eggs exist in many baskets.

      • Annie Robbins
        September 16, 2015, 1:34 pm

        i’m probably not alone in appreciating and preferring diverse population centers.

    • Mooser
      September 14, 2015, 5:18 pm

      “Phil Weiss is constantly harping on the fact that Jews who support Israel must feel that the US is unsafe for Jews”

      “Yonah” Phil is trying to be nice, trying to be compassionate.
      Would you prefer Phil says that Jews know they are very secure and successful in the US, and have decided to use their influence and affluence to make the US complicit in their colonial scheme?
      Would you prefer to say that US Jews simply see it as an investment opportunity, or as vacation playland?
      Or simply as something we had the power to pull off?

  16. jon s
    September 14, 2015, 9:21 am

    Reflecting, and elaborating, on points raised by Yonah Fredman,I would like to see an American –Jewish Anti-Zionist, such as Phil Weiss, address a few points:
    1. What exactly does anti-Zionism mean to you these days? Before 1948 it meant opposition to the establishment of a Jewish State in Israel. Since the State now exists- what does it mean? For Israel to change its policies? Or cease to exist altogether?
    2. What are your motivations? Is it solely moral outrage at Palestinian suffering , or are you also concerned for the survival and well-being of the Jewish community?
    3. Since support of Israel has been a major component of American-Jewish identity for decades, are you promoting other values, other components? Picture American-Jewish identity as a flag that American Jews wave proudly. You propose to take a knife and cut out a big piece of that flag , so I’m asking whether there’s anything else that you offer to stitch on it instead.

    • amigo
      September 14, 2015, 10:01 am

      “You propose to take a knife and cut out a big piece of that flag , ” Jon S.

      If your stuck for a replacement , you can go to the nearest airfield and snag it from one of the fighter Jets that attack and murder innocent Palestinian men , women and children.If all the jets are busy mowing someones lawn , then head to your nearest tank regiment.Your bound to see David splashed all over the tanks that have recently returned from destroying tens of thousands of Gazan homes and murdering or injuring thousands of Palestinians.

      Yup , you zionists certainly revere your Star of David.It is soaked in blood. And so are those who rally to the zionist cause.

    • talknic
      September 14, 2015, 10:02 am

      @ jon s

      “Reflecting, and elaborating, on points raised by Yonah Fredman,I would like to see an American –Jewish Anti-Zionist, such as Phil Weiss, address a few points:”

      Sure ‘nuf…

      “1. What exactly does anti-Zionism mean to you these days?”

      Jewish individualism, representing ourselves, rather than some colonialist enterprise and/or its organizations falsely claiming to represent all Jews. Holding true to Jewish values according to the basic tenets of Judaism.

      “Before 1948 it meant opposition to the establishment of a Jewish State in Israel”

      The League of Nations Mandate for Palestine which was agreed upon, didn’t mention any Jewish state.

      “Since the State now exists- what does it mean?”

      For a state to exist it must have a defined territory http://www.cfr.org/sovereignty/montevideo-convention-rights-duties-states/p15897#art1 . Israel should stick to its self defined territory http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/documents/newPDF/49.pdf because it has never legally acquired any further territories.

      “For Israel to change its policies? “

      Rather stupid question. All states in breach of the law should change their policies. Israel’s illegal expansionist policies have fomented war, death and destruction on another people.

      “Or cease to exist altogether?”

      If Israel doesn’t change its policies to adhere to the UN Charter and International Law that might be its eventual fate. Israel could of course adhere to the law, withdraw from all non-Israeli territories, taking its illegal settlers, allow non-Jewish Israeli citizens return to Israel and pay compensation for 67 years of intransigence against the Palestinians it has dispossessed and/or needlessly occupied. Pay for 67 years of exploiting non-Israeli resources. All of which would com at an astronomical cost very likely leading to a failed state. Better a failed state than no state at all.

      “2. What are your motivations?”

      To see the Jewish homeland state adhering to the law, UN Charter and basic tenets of Judaism

      “3. Since support of Israel has been a major component of American-Jewish identity for decades, are you promoting other values, other components? Picture American-Jewish identity as a flag that American Jews wave proudly. You propose to take a knife and cut out a big piece of that flag , so I’m asking whether there’s anything else that you offer to stitch on it instead.”

      Uh? How would Israel adhering to its legal obligations “cut out a big piece of that flag”?

    • a blah chick
      September 14, 2015, 10:12 am

      “What are your motivations? Is it solely moral outrage at Palestinian suffering , or are you also concerned for the survival and well-being of the Jewish community?”

      Why can’t it be both?

      Here’s my compromise: Israel keeps the Zionist flag, the Zionist anthem, the menorah on the seal. I’ll even throw in Jewish holidays as the national ones. In exchange Israel completely overhauls its legal system to ensure equality for all citizens, that is everyone has the same rights, privileges and responsibilities. So that means you can march down the street waving your Zionist flag but the Palestinians have a say in how they are governed.

      You’d be cool with that, right?

      • CigarGod
        September 14, 2015, 11:02 am

        I’ll sweeten the pot with an original oil I found in my local 2nd hand store. It shows a beautiful southern mansion surrounded by green and golden crops being worked by well dressed, well-fed negros. The trees are hung with spanish moss. A carriage with the master and his lady are passing thru the ornate gate. The negroes are waving…and smiling sooo nice. Who could want anything more?

      • eljay
        September 14, 2015, 11:12 am

        || CigarGod: … Who could want anything more? ||

        Smiling slaves non-White people enjoying life in the White historic homeland – how could they not be happy?!

      • jon s
        September 15, 2015, 2:25 pm

        A blah chick,
        Absolutely. Equal rights for all citizens is a fundamental democratic principle. I’m “cool with that”.

    • Kris
      September 14, 2015, 11:42 am

      @jon s: “Since support of Israel has been a major component of American-Jewish identity for decades, are you promoting other values, other components?”

      Seriously? Or maybe you’re being ironic? You have been commenting here for a long time, so presumably you have read at least a few of the articles mondoweiss has published? Try reading for content and understanding.

      • JWalters
        September 14, 2015, 6:07 pm

        Good points.

        It seems to me the purpose of Israel defenders here is to give the APPEARANCE of intelligent responses for the benefit of young, campus Zionists who may read these articles. They know they are omitting key facts, making up “facts”, and putting forth elaborate distractions. They read the articles, but only to plan the tactics for their next round of deception. Their writing ability shows they can not be as ignorant and stupid as their content indicates.

        For the benefit of those young campus Zionists, it is VERY worthwhile for other Mondoweiss readers to continue refuting their garbage thoroughly and decisively. My thanks to all!

      • jon s
        September 15, 2015, 4:51 pm

        Yes, I’m serious. The main point of my comment on this thread was directed at American-Jewish Anti-Zionists.
        They’re saying to American Jews: “let’s not support Israel any more”.
        But are they offering an alternative with Jewish content? Something like : “let’s not support Israel; instead let’s strengthen our communities, or support more and better Jewish education, or establish more study groups (Bible, Talmud, Jewish History, Hebrew, Yiddish…)”.
        As it is, it looks like the Anti-Zionists are passionately commited to opposing Israel, but care about little else in Jewish life. ( The Satmar Hassidim -ultra-Orthodox Anti-Zionists- may be the exception).
        Will the Anti-Zionists “win” the debate, as Phil Weiss is so sure , without addressing this point? I doubt it.

    • Mooser
      September 14, 2015, 12:51 pm

      ,” such as Phil Weiss, address a few points:”

      Why the hell does anybody have to answer to you? And what, macher are you going to do if you don’t like the answers you get, stop posting at Mondo?

      Or will you ban Phil from your blog?

    • Mooser
      September 14, 2015, 5:38 pm

      “You propose to take a knife and cut out a big piece of that flag”

      We’re gonna take another piece of the flag, now, “Jonny”? (oh, oh, take it!) Gonna take another piece of you flag, now “Jonny”?
      Shit, you know we got it if it makes us feel good, oh yes indeed.

      Hey, “Jon s” stop worrying, I have the perfect solution. You can have Sabbatai Zevi’s six-pointed star all to yourself, for Israel and Zionism and the rest of us will stop using it, since it’s a mark of shame. There’s plenty of other things to use and it has no power in and of itself.
      You got any way to stop that?

  17. Mooser
    September 14, 2015, 12:39 pm

    “Jon s” What the f–k is this? Do you think Phil owes you some kind of goddam explanation because you have done him the favor of posting at his blog, and lending it your imprimatur?

    And “Jon s” do you really expect Phil to read that extended spate of projectile logorrhea Yonah calls a comment.

    “Jon s” you are going to be so disappointed when you find out nobody owes you anything cause you do a ‘nice-Zionist’ act.

    Oh BTW, “Jon s” I’ve been meaning to ask you- have you ever lied deliberately at this blog?

  18. Kathleen
    September 14, 2015, 4:52 pm

    Phil “Most Jewish Democrats in Congress opposed Israel’s stated desires.” And most of us here know that this is a first. Not only for Jewish Democrat Reps for almost all Reps who are Dem’s. This vote against Israel’s stated “desires” is a first.

    Howard Fineman has one up over at Huff Po about the focus of this first of High Holy Days and what they should be focused on. He is addressing the refugee crisis. But somehow fails to mention the U.S. role in creating millions of these refugees or Israel and the Palestinian refugee crisis that has been going on for decades.

    So the tunnel vision and where “reflection, repentance and renewal” apply are very limited in scope in Howard Fineman’s world.

    All ready put up a comment. Someone over there generally keeps my pertinent responses in the first spot. Will see about this one

  19. Vera Gottlieb
    September 15, 2015, 3:00 pm

    As someone wrote not too long ago – or title of a book: Zionism is giving Judaism a bad name.

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