Facing Reality: Jewish terrorism is no longer limited to just a few bad seeds

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Stabbing at the Gay Pride Parade in Jerusalem. Death of 16-year-old Shira Banki. Arson attack on a family home in the West Bank. Deaths of 18-month old Ali Saad Dawabsheh, his father Saad Dawabsheh’s, and mother Reham Dawabsheh.

It is time to look inwards at a rising culture of violence rather than facile explanations about individual bad seeds. Something is growing insidiously among us: racism, intolerance and hate. With attacks occurring more frequently, these seeds are no longer limited to one crazy individual, one extremist; instead they are indicative of widespread cultural seeds of racism, intolerance, and hate. These seeds have been cultivating for some time.

These brazen hate crimes immediately sparked responses and outrage from Israel’s religious leaders and government officials such as Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem Aryeh Stern, Knesset Member Yair Lapid, former President and Prime Minister Shimon Peres, current President Reuven Rivlin and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. A series of marches condemning these attacks occurred throughout Israel, the largest was in Tel Aviv that drew a crowd of nearly 2,000 people.

The reaction is all a farce, an illusion at best. Israelis, including agents of the government, pretend to be morally outraged that these acts occur; however, everything in Israel has simply been a direct build up to this moment. When are we as Israelis, Jewish Americans, and Jews throughout the world going to accept that this is all part of the same cyclical violence and rampant hate speech that has been taking place for years? When will we start taking ownership that something has been eating away at us for years? These attacks finally brought about some speech admonishing it, but their outrage in the public rhetoric is disingenuous. Only acceptance that this is cultural and widespread and therefore religious and government institutions alike are complicit will bring about lasting change.

The hypocrisy is overwhelming. Israel condemns violence and hate speech, but allows settlers to continue to reign terror virtually unchecked against Palestinians in the West Bank. Israel condemns hate speech but allows Ayelet Shaked, who openly called for the genocide of Palestinians, to be the Minister of Justice.

A recent act exemplifying the difference between a few bad seeds and widespread cultural seeds is the death of 16-year old Mohammed Abu Khdeir. Rather than wait to hear the true cause of death, the Israeli media was quick to jump and claim that it was an honor killing—so quick to deflect, defend, and, ultimately, rationalize. Once it was revealed that the perpetrators were in fact three Jewish terrorists, they were not labeled as such. Instead, they were regarded as fanatics, extremists, a few bad seeds, and a gag order was issued. To this day, only one of the three names of the assailants has been released. Instead of focusing on the horror of this crime and reacting with outrage that something like this could be committed by members of the Jewish community, instead of turning inwards for processing and introspective analysis, the narrative of this story focused on the bravery of these terrorists to turn themselves in, how truly apologetic they felt and how they regret their actions.

The attention and treatment Jewish terrorists receive compared to their Palestinian counterparts is befuddling. Palestinian terrorists have their names released to the public, no fair or open trial, and their family homes bulldozed and demolished. Why is there such a discrepancy between Jewish terrorists and Palestinian terrorists?

How can the Jewish people, stand for this when we are supposedly morally superior, God’s chosen people? One option is to start listening to Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon’s idea that Israeli authorities should treat and detain Israeli terrorists in the same manner as the Palestinian ones. However, I argue that though that would be the fairer route to take, it is still not the most just. While there are many issues at hand, first and foremost, we must stop labeling Jewish terrorists as ‘extremists.’ To label them as such diminishes how widespread this phenomenon is and ultimately reduces their impact and culpability. It’s not individual bad seeds but rather it is sanctioned and legitimated ideologies.

We as a nation, as a tribe, as a people, better check ourselves, before we wreck ourselves. Refuse to accept that these are but a few bad seeds. Start treating Jewish terror as just terror. Stop letting these terrorists reign over the country. Start bearing more responsibility and culpability.

Organizing marches and preparing public statements is easy, but it is only one part of the solution. Israel needs to start creating mechanisms and platforms where these crimes go punished and treated. Anyone can pay lip service to the issues at hand, but until mechanisms are put in place to appropriately bring about justice, the words of Lapid, Peres, Stern, Rivlin, and Netanyahu remain empty and hollow.

There is much to do in the long journey of resolving the issues between Israel and Palestine, but one step is to realize that Jewish terrorism is no longer limited to a select few seeds, but is in fact a growing problem and deserves to be labeled as what it truly is: terrorism.

About Karin Attia

Karin Attia was born in Haifa, Israel raised in Los Angeles, California and is currently living in New York City studying as a Master’s student at New York University (NYU). Her studies are focused on peacebuilding, gender and the Middle East.

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  1. JLewisDickerson
    September 29, 2015, 4:09 pm

    RE: “These brazen hate crimes immediately sparked responses and outrage from Israel’s religious leaders and government officials . . . The reaction is all a farce, an illusion at best. Israelis, including agents of the government, pretend to be morally outraged that these acts occur; however, everything in Israel has simply been a direct build up to this moment. . . These attacks finally brought about some speech admonishing it, but their outrage in the public rhetoric is disingenuous.” ~ Karin Attia

    A NICE EXAMPLE:

    P.S. NOTICE that Netanyahu wore a yarmulke and even “trotted out” Sara to add sincerity for this occasion! Watch Sara Netanyahu (especially her face) very carefully. *

    * FROM RICHARD SILVERSTEIN:

    . . . A confidential Israeli source reported to me during the last transition to a new Shin Bet chief, that [Yitzhak] Ilan had won the job. But he had one problem. Since he’d worked in the Jewish terror unit monitoring settler criminal activity, Sara Netanyahu didn’t like him. She preferred Yoram Cohen, an Orthodox Jew, whose ideological views and personality were more conducive to her. Incredibly, in today’s Israel a prime minister’s wife can derail a candidacy for a senior intelligence job based on her petty dislikes.

    In a development that shocked the Israeli media and the intelligence community, Cohen got the job. Not surprisingly, Cohen’s prosecution of Jewish settler terror has been lackluster at best. That may be just the way Sara prefers it. . .

    SOURCE – http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/09/24/prisoner-x2-mossad-agent-spying-for-iran-arrested-tried-convicted-and-imprisoned-in-secret/

    * ALSO SEE: “Prime minister’s wife accused in court of abusing staff” | By Lisa Goldman | 972mag.com | September 21, 2015
    LINK – http://972mag.com/prime-ministers-wife-accused-in-court-of-abusing-staff/111888/

  2. amigo
    September 29, 2015, 4:32 pm

    To understand correctly , the depth of racism/bigotry and support for zionist terrorism , one only has to check the comments section on J Post or Y net, news .

    It is right there everyday in it,s raw indifference to the laws that keep decent folks safe and the chance at a normal life .

    Zionism has bred this Jewish terrorism and it continues to grow like a cancer.Zionism has to be defeated , that is to say , destroyed completely and it,s remains buried in lime .It can never be allowed to re emerge .No headstone or plaque.

    But are there enough brave members of the tribe to take up the challenge and risk their lives fighting Jewish terrorists.

    • inbound39
      September 29, 2015, 6:43 pm

      Similar responses on JPost also. What puts up the hairs on my neck is the Jewish people in Israel responsible for these acts are perpetrators of actions that in our recent history were perpetrated against Jews themselves and were used to drive them from their homes and into camps. It bewilders me how Israeli’s can possibly commit these heinous acts and can do nothing to prosecute the offenders. In the past the entire World rose up against such actions and now there is a sickening silence and immobilisation toward similar actions in Israel. More sickening is unconditional support by the American Government in remaining at Israel’s side and supplying the weapons and ammunition they use to carry out these daily attrocities. Let’s be frank…..Palestinian alleged terrorists are shot dead on the spot……some left to die for hours before being dragged away like carcasses. No trial….no Judge,,,no jury….just a bullet fusilade. Every Jew in the World becomes affected by Israel’s actions and it is time they realised that. Israel publically declares again and again it speaks for ALL Jews and acts on ALL Jews behalf. It is time for everyone to demand Israel return to within its declared borders of 1948 and be thankful for the homeland it was given. The West Bank and East Jerusalem are for and was kept in perpetuity by the UN for a Palestinian State….the illegal land grab needs to end along with the murder of Palestinians that goes with it.

      • echinococcus
        September 29, 2015, 10:05 pm

        Inbound,

        Not again the return of the indestructible 48 borders again.
        Declared? Self-declared. The landlords didn’t agree. Self-declared after having started war of aggression –months after having invaded, and invaded out of territory that wasn’t theirs either –no territory anywhere was. Birobidjan was “Jewish” but not Zionist either.
        No such borders.

      • rosross
        September 30, 2015, 8:42 am

        It is only when you spend time with Israelis and in Israel that you realise the depth of religious bigotry at work. Any group which, for any reason, considers itself to be superior to others will become debased and extreme.

        Israel’s tragedy is that the world encouraged and allowed the State to be founded in the name of religious bigotry and has tolerated the increasing human rights atrocities which have followed.

        Israel’s tragedy is that it has had no true friends to speak the truth and the US has been the worst enabler.

        Having said that, it needs to be remembered that Jewish influence in the US is huge and this has made truth more difficult to find or express.

        In the same way that Irish influences allowed Irish Americans to fund the bombing of the British in appalling acts of terrorism, so too have many, perhaps most, American Jews funded the tyranny and terrorism of the State of Israel.

      • rosross
        September 30, 2015, 10:11 am

        The fact is that the UN partition of Palestine while certainly immoral has never been tested in a court of law and is probably illegal.

        Israel can only claim the original borders but we all know that is rather pointless and that two fully independent states with exactly the same rights and contiguous borders is impossible and so that means one state shared by all, just as every other coloniser has had to do.

        Israel exists but it cannot continue to exist as occupier, coloniser and apartheid State.

        And since religions have no rights to land and have no homelands, that means Israelis have no rights to Palestine but, since they are there, they have a right to stay only if they create one democratic state with equal rights for all.

        The only reason this has not been done is religious bigotry and the belief members of the Jewish religion are superior. The irony of course is that most Jewish Israelis are not even Jews but are lapsed, non-practising, or even more ridiculous, call themselves secular or atheist.

        Judaism and Jews need to step away from the Israeli apartheid State or they will be tainted by its presence. Israel does not represent Jews or Judaism but it does give them a bad name.

      • echinococcus
        September 30, 2015, 11:21 am

        rosross

        “The fact is that the UN partition of Palestine while certainly immoral has never been tested in a court of law and is probably illegal.”

        Look, if something that is at the basis of the livelihood of millions of people and the literal destruction of million others is hanging by a single thread of lawyerly cavilling it’s no good.

        Screw “legal” and come to the obvious law, i.e. that conquest does not give right to territory, that colonialism is an abomination and must be eliminated, that invaded and occupied people have a right to fight to liberate themselves. Those are the basic laws, not some obscure UN procedurals written by the colonialist shysters.
        The result is darn obvious.
        There are no legitimate borders to the “Israel” illusion anywhere.

      • MHughes976
        September 30, 2015, 12:20 pm

        I too think that there is a basic moral law, known in general terms to the generality of the human race, that is flouted by what has happened in Palestine. To put it another way, there does not begin to be a justification of the practice of Zionism in recognised moral principles. Particular statements drawn up by committees do not have the same importance as our deepest sense of right and wrong – but if they embody the agreed international law of a certain time they do have some importance, at least for that time, and do deserve some respect. That is why Hostage’s contributions here have made such an impact – including an impact on the other side, I believe.
        I agree that words like ‘probably illegal’ – just probably? – seem a bit disappointing and weak when set against the admirable passion of rosross’ wider remarks. However, it’s still true that if we could constitute a generally respected court and have it pronounce that the treatment of the Palestinians has been an outrage then that would be of some practical value. To call that prospect remote would be a serious understatement, of course.

      • amigo
        September 30, 2015, 12:27 pm

        “In the same way that Irish influences allowed Irish Americans to fund the bombing of the British in appalling acts of terrorism, – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/09/reality-terrorism-limited#comment-799392” rosross

        The IRA were not the only ones carrying out terrible acts of terrorism.The Unionists carried out terrible acts (bombings) on the mainland of the Republic of Ireland , no doubt funded by their supporters in the USA.Balance is important , otherwise people might assume there was only one trouble maker in the NI conflict much the same as “Hamas ” is seen as the only trouble maker in the I/P conflict and Israel gets a pass .

        Google UVF/UDR bombings.

        Thanks for your response, by the way.

      • RoHa
        September 30, 2015, 8:11 pm

        “To put it another way, there does not begin to be a justification of the practice of Zionism in recognised moral principles. ”

        I* have frequently asked for such a justification, but none has been forthcoming. The justifications that are offered seem to start from the presumption that Jews are more important than the rest of us, and that if they want something, they should have it. The justifications also show a total inability to distinguish between the moral and the merely legal.

        (*As you probably have guessed, I, too, am a moral objectivist.)

      • echinococcus
        September 30, 2015, 8:22 pm

        Hughes,

        Not necessarily that remote a perspective. It all depends on how solid the US is; we seem to be meeting more and more opposition. Not that you can predict anything but some change is happening.

    • JWalters
      September 29, 2015, 6:44 pm

      Absolutely correct. Like slavery, it needs to be dumped in history’s garbage can.

  3. pabelmont
    September 29, 2015, 5:19 pm

    How can the Jewish people put up with this blatant hypocrisy? Education, that’s how!

    By dint of careful (mis) education, many Jews don’t know any of these facts, and many others have been (mis) educated not to regard violence by Jews against Palestinians as “violence”, terror by Jews against Palestinians as “terror”. Read the NYT and see (mis) education in action!

    Ain’t education wunnerful?

  4. a blah chick
    September 29, 2015, 5:31 pm

    I think it important to understand that it isn’t just hypocrisy and racism that causes the toleration of the violence. Simply put a certain degree of intimidation is necessary by the dominant group to ensure that the untermensch know their place and stay in it. In the segregationist south it was not just the police who were enforcing the race laws, it was also the store owners making sure you did not come in the front door or the movie theater patrons who made sure you stayed in the balcony. The forces of law and order can’t be everywhere, so it helps to have a socialized public that know what needs to be done if “they” get too uppity or out of hand. The white elites wanted to stay in power, running the show, and that was threatened by blacks who were demanding their rights.

    The Jewish settlers are allowed a free hand with the Palestinians because it sows terror and intimidation and gives the Israeli state plausible deniability. They need violent settlers to do some of the governments dirty work. And the goal of both groups is a cowed and brutalized population that will not dare to hold their heads up and demand their rights. The Ashkenazi elites who run Israel tolerate this rabble because the are helping to ensure the power of the Ashkenazi oligarchs.

    That is what all this “demographic threat” is really about. It’s not saving the gays, or women or religious and ethnic minorities, it’s not about preserving the Jewish people, it’s about keeping the oligarchs in power.

  5. Mayhem
    September 29, 2015, 7:01 pm

    Such ridiculous self-flagellation taking the sole blame for a problem that is associated with Jewish-Arab relations overall.
    For a more balanced viewpoint
    Why Have Jewish-Arab Relations Deteriorated in Israel?

    • a blah chick
      September 29, 2015, 8:16 pm

      Did you read that article? What point are you trying to make?

      • Mayhem
        September 30, 2015, 7:55 am

        “We as a nation, as a tribe, as a people, better check ourselves, before we wreck ourselves.” – MELODRAMA
        “Start bearing more responsibility and culpability.” – PREACHING
        “When will we start taking ownership that something has been eating away at us for years?” – SELF-FLAGELLATION

      • Mooser
        September 30, 2015, 11:40 am

        “Did you read that article? What point are you trying to make?”

        He was simply pointing out that since Jews are the most populous, richest, most powerful people in the entire world, we don’t have to be ashamed of anything! We rule! We control vast areas of the world stuffed with resources, our population growth is unprecedented, and we continually attract entire nations to our religion and cause.

    • rosross
      September 30, 2015, 8:25 am

      There are no Jewish-Arab relations.

      You have to compare apples with apples. Jews are members of a religion and Arabs are members of a culture.

      Compare Jews to other religions, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism etc., but you cannot compare them to a culture.

      Compare Arabs to Europeans, Africans or Asians – all cultures by all means.

      The issue is between Israelis as colonists and Palestinians as the indigenous people of the land colonised.

      Most Jews do not live in Israel and a quarter of Israelis are not Jewish, i.e. Israel does not represent Jews.

      You can compare Israeli culture sourced in European colonists with Palestinian culture sourced in Arab culture but that is particular to UN mandated Israel and Occupied Palestine.

      There is no universal Arab-Jewish relationship. Israel likes to pretend that there is because then it can also pretend the threat is not just the nearly six million Palestinians it holds imprisoned but is a threat from tens of millions of people throughout the Arab world. It is quite simply propaganda to try to make a Jewish-Arab problem.

      This is a colonial war, pure and simple, waged by Israeli colonists against indigenous Palestinians.

  6. TonyG
    September 30, 2015, 12:04 am

    A good article, except for the implication that Jewish terror is a relatively recent phenomenon. As Jerome Slater (e.g., http://www.jeromeslater.com/2015/03/israeli-terrorism-does-evidence-matter.html) and others have shown, Israelis have used terror against the Palestinians ever since the 1920s. Jewish terror played a critical role in the 1948 ethnic cleansing that yielded a Jewish majority in the new state of Israel.

    • rosross
      September 30, 2015, 8:46 am

      @TonyG,

      Yes, good point. And how many Americans know between 600 and 700 Palestinian villages were destroyed by Zionist armies to pave the way for European colonists and that most are now ‘buried’ under recreation parks and constructions, never to be known of, beyond the inconvenient reality that they are clearly marked on maps from the time of British rule in Palestine.

      How many know that Yad Vashem is built on Deir Yassin land, the site of the most atrocious massacre of Palestinian men, women and children, by Zionist army thugs, in 1948. It was all a campaign of terror to kill as many Palestinians as possible and drive out as many as possible.

      The State of Israel began with terrorism and has remained a terrorist State.

      The difference is, in the age of social media and the internet where information is more readily exchanged, more people know about it.

    • btbLondon
      September 30, 2015, 12:28 pm

      There is an excellent review article by Assaf Sharon ‘The Jewish Terrorists’ on the Hoffman Book that Slater discusses and also on The Reckoning: Death and Intrigue in the Promised Land—A True Detective Story
      by Patrick Bishop in the latest New York Review of Books http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2015/sep/24/jewish-terrorists/ .

      The article both discusses the origin and history of Jewish terrorism. It’s a good account of how the Nietzscherian mindset and openly fascist politics of the inter-war period still shape the Israeli leadership

      • YoniFalic
        September 30, 2015, 1:08 pm

        Eastern European Jewish terrorism predates Zionism.

        Michael Stanislawsky describes what can only be considered a terrorist assassination in 1848 by the traditional elite against a reformer in A Murder in Lemberg, but Eastern European Jewish terrorism against Jews and non-Jews seems to start a good deal earlier.

      • TonyG
        September 30, 2015, 1:18 pm

        Yes, thanks, I was thinking of the Sharon piece when I referred to Slater “and others.”

  7. Stephen Shenfield
    September 30, 2015, 5:33 am

    I just read the article, which is of considerable interest and does not in fact support Mayhem’s insinuation that “both sides” share the blame. The article argues that Palestinian citizens of Israel have greatly strengthened their position within Israeli society and the Israeli economy and that the wave of anti-Arab incitement and violence is a backlash against this change.

    • a blah chick
      September 30, 2015, 9:49 am

      Mayhem might be saying that Jews need to get stop blaming themselves for all the bad things that happen to the Palestinians. Sometimes the Palestinians themselves provoke a Jewish response by flaunting their success without showing due deference. I think, maybe that’s the argument.

      • Stephen Shenfield
        September 30, 2015, 7:23 pm

        a blah chick: “Mayhem might be saying that Jews need to get stop blaming themselves for all the bad things that happen to the Palestinians. Sometimes the Palestinians themselves provoke a Jewish response by flaunting their success without showing due deference. I think, maybe that’s the argument.”

        Yes, he may read into the article the implicit message that the backlash is wrong, of course, but also an understandable reaction to the “provocative” insolence of those uppity Palestinians who no longer know their place. Which was the traditional attitude taken toward Jews by apologists for anti-Semitism.

      • rosross
        October 1, 2015, 4:32 am

        @ a blah chick,

        Deference? You use the word deference about an occupied, colonised and abused indigenous people in regard to their oppressors?

        How could Palestinians not recognise the superiority of the European colonists who have stolen their country? How could they not understand that compared to the Israeli colonists they are inferior, nay, they are sub-human?

        How can people not see that Israel using murderous military power to maintain occupation, colonisation and apartheid is the victim and in the right?

        What madness is at work in the world to think that the Palestinians should have rights and the right to live in freedom?

        What madness is at work in Judaism that people cannot or will not see that that Israel is a venal, murderous colonial aggressor maintaining one of the most cruel and evil occupations in modern history.

  8. rosross
    September 30, 2015, 8:20 am

    You make some important points but terrorism committed in the name of Judaism no more represents the religion than does terrorism committed in the name of any religion.

    Most Jews do not live in UN mandated Israel or Occupied Palestine, never did and never will and so Israel and its home-grown terrorism against non-Jews is not representative of Jews or Judaism.

    I understand that Judaism like some other religions, sees followers as members of a nation or people but Jews are not a nation or a people beyond religious metaphor and that is why what Israeli Jews do or say does not represent all Jews or the Jewish religion.

    The excesses of Judaism amongst Israelis in particular, and some non-Israeli fundamentalist supporters is sourced in Zionism, not Judaism, and the belief that Jews are superior in general but particularly to Palestinian non-Jews, Christian, Muslim and no doubt atheist and they are considered to be sub-human. The worst of atrocities, as history reveals, are committed when a group considers another group to be inferior or worse, sub-human.

    It also needs to be remembered that the religiously racist ‘stew’ which is Israel is highly dysfunctional because of the bigotry which is endemic in the society toward non-Jews in general and Palestinian non-Jews in particular. This does not apply to the majority of Jews, of all races and many nationalities, who live as citizens around the world in dozens of other countries.

    The culture in which the hatred brews is not Jewish per se: but is the Zionist and Israeli brand of Judaism. Israel as a society is deeply sick and terribly debased because of its treatment of the Palestinians. Healing will only come when Israeli Jews and their supporters give up the belief that non-Jews are inferior and create a democracy, for Israelis also deserve to live in a democracy, one state where colonisers and indigenous live side by side, with equal rights, sharing the land, just as every other nation founded through colonisation has had to do.

    • rosross
      September 30, 2015, 8:51 am

      P.S. Having said that, it behoves members of any religion where terrorism is committed in its name to speak out against it.

      • Mooser
        September 30, 2015, 11:51 am

        “P.S. Having said that, it behoves members of any religion where terrorism is committed in its name to speak out against it.”

        If I am not terribly mistaken, the Jewish religion is decentralized and factionalized. There is no central doctrinal authority.
        Therefore, Judaism is pretty much whatever the particular group of Jews practicing it says it is. You can’t get around that.
        You want to make it untrue, about the supremacists and violent Zionists not having the correct views on Judaism? Well, then, go stop them, go tell them what they are doing isn’t “Jewish”
        And, look, it’s really hard to tell people that something which kills people, steals land, and involves an army, and huge sums, big political manipulations, etc. isn’t the most salient point about a religion. You can try, if you want. Anyway you cut the pie, it’s a huge, probably the biggest piece.

        “one state where colonisers and indigenous live side by side”

        But are still “colonisers” and “indigenous”? Sure, okay.

      • a4tech
        September 30, 2015, 4:11 pm

        I’m really sorry but I fail to see your point Mooser. Are you implying the so called Judaism espoused by the Israeli government is as valid as any other form of Judaism?

        And regarding the second point, I think Ross meant by “colonizer” is a demographic that views the indigenous culture and DNA as by nature worse than their own which was developed through experiences rooted elsewhere and should maintain some sort of separation in order to avoid the risk of contamination. Until this flaw in thought is addressed, that particular demographic will always be a “colonizer” regardless how long they happen to stay in Palestine. The colonial mentality need to be let go and assimilation need to occur before the “colonized and indigenous” dichotomy is rendered irrelevant.

      • Mooser
        September 30, 2015, 6:40 pm

        “Are you implying the so called Judaism espoused by the Israeli government is as valid as any other form of Judaism?”

        Well, I’m no expert, but I tend to think that anybody who got rocketed by a jet with a Star-of-David on the fuselage, or shot at by cannon in a Mogen David bedecked Meerkeva or had their home firebombed, would tend to think it was pretty goddam valid. In fact, they could be excused for thinking it was the only valid form of Judaism, since no other form seems to be able to do much about it.

      • rosross
        October 1, 2015, 3:38 am

        @Mooser,

        You said:If I am not terribly mistaken, the Jewish religion is decentralized and factionalized.

        All religions are factionalized and most are decentralized, Anglicans and Catholics and Mormons being exceptions although no doubt there are others.

        However, that does not prevent any of them speaking out if terror is committed in the name of their religion. That is an individual choice, not necessarily one requiring centralised authority.

        You said: But are still “colonisers” and “indigenous”? Sure, okay.

        Not in the long term. As demonstrated by every other historically recent coloniser to lesser and greater degrees.

        Israel is quite simply a backward culture with bigoted and primitive views which have no place in a civilized world and never did. It was always doomed as a theocratic state.

      • rosross
        October 1, 2015, 4:04 am

        @a4tech,

        Eloquently put.

  9. Mooser
    September 30, 2015, 6:34 pm

    “Are you implying the so called Judaism espoused by the Israeli government is as valid as any other form of Judaism?”

    So, let’s see, they have what it takes to pervert one of the world’s religions to their exploitative, murderous purposes, without a qualm, but:

    “The colonial mentality need to be let go and assimilation need to occur before the “colonized and indigenous” dichotomy is rendered irrelevant.”

    A few ‘diversity training’ seminars and it’ll come right? Are you talking about the same people?

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