Settlers gawk as Palestinian woman lies dying at checkpoint (Update)

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On Yom Kippur, there is one story from Israel and Palestine: the killing of 18-year-old Hadeel Hashlamoun at a Hebron checkpoint after she was confronted by soldiers pointing guns.

Below is the shocking video of Hashlamoun’s form being roughly dragged on the ground after her shooting. News accounts state that she was then still alive; she did not die for several hours, at a hospital. Israeli settlers observe her with detachment and even smiles. One of these settlers wears a blue t-shirt with the words in Hebrew on it (visible at 1:41):

MEDICINE Rescue/Medical Aid (the Hebrew word is Hatzala) Judea and Samaria

If he is a medical professional, he takes no interest in the Palestinian woman’s situation except to gawk. That organization provides emergency medical services to the settlers. Presumably only to Jews. Another settler grins at the scene at 1:38.

Toward the end of the video you can see the Palestinian community of Hebron, caged inside the checkpoint.

Electronic Intifada states:

Wattan TV reported that the young woman was left to bleed for more than 30 minutes.

Here is a photo of Hashlamoun’s funeral, today, posted by NasserZB.

Hadeel Hashlamoun's funeral

Hadeel Hashlamoun’s funeral

The Israeli government claims that the soldiers believed Hashlamoun was going to pull a knife. But the Hebron activist group Youth Against Settlements says, “She tried to leave” before she was shot. A researcher for Amnesty, Jacob Burns, has posted this photograph of a knife he says the Israelis claim Hashlamoun was carrying when she was killed. He notes that even if she were trying to attack soldiers, they would not be justified in firing. The New York Times report is that the soldiers were not at risk.

Photo of knife said to be carried by Hadil Hashlamoun

Photo of knife said to be carried by Hadeel Hashlamoun

The Times headline deceives readers about the Palestinian victims of this and another incident in the occupied West Bank– “2 Are Killed in West Bank as Jewish and Muslim Holidays Approach”– but Diaa Hadid’s reporting is precise and vivid.

[A] European activist, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because his employers do not permit him to talk to reporters, provided photographs of the episode. One showed a soldier pointing his weapon at Ms. Hashlamoun, and another showed her lying on the ground.

He said a soldier had asked Ms. Hashlamoun to open her bag for inspection. “When she was opening at her bag, he began shouting: ‘Stop! Stop! Stop! Don’t move! Don’t move!’ ” the activist said. “She was trying to show him what was inside her bag, but the soldier shot her once, and then shot her again.”

The activist said three or four other soldiers had raced to the scene and also fired.

Another witness, Fawaz Abu Aisheh, 34, who appeared in the photographs taken by the activist, said Ms. Hashlamoun did not respond as soldiers screamed at her in Hebrew to step back. A soldier shot at her feet twice, but she did not move, he said.

“She was like a nail, like she was in shock,” he said. “I was shouting, ‘She doesn’t understand Hebrew!’ ”

Mr. Abu Aisheh said he had opened a small gate inside the checkpoint so that she could back away from the soldiers. She did so, creating more distance between her and the soldiers.

A shame that the New York Times does not include Hashlamoun’s picture in that article. The Times does include a photo of Palestinian women mourning at the funeral of the other Palestinian killed in the West Bank. At right.

NYT photo of women at Palestinian funeral, Sept. 22

NYT photo of women at Palestinian funeral, Sept. 22

Here is another photo of Hashlamoun from NasserZB’s twitter feed:

Hadeel Hashlamoun dying at Hebron checkpoint

Hadeel Hashlamoun dying at Hebron checkpoint

Al Jazeera’s account says that Hashlamoun was left bleeding on the ground and that the killing has fostered clashes across the occupied city.

However, a video posted by the news agency PalMedia shows the woman being left to bleed on the ground after she was shot and then being roughly pulled out of the frame of a camera.

Speaking to Al Jazeera, Hebron resident Issa Amro identified the woman as 19-year-old Hadeel Salah al-Hashlamon.

“Now the soldiers have increased their numbers throughout the city,” said Amro, who is the coordinator of the Hebron-based Youth Against Settlements monitoring group.

According to Amro, clashes broke out between Palestinian youth and Israeli soldiers in the area following the shooting and “are still ongoing across the city”.

 

Update: A new video of soldiers dragging Hashlamoun’s body and unveiling her has emerged:

 

Thanks to Dena Shunra, Ofer Neiman, and James North.

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  1. eljay
    September 23, 2015, 12:35 pm

    amigo   September 23, 2015, 11:44 am
    And they ask, “Why do they hate us”.

    Btw , the headline should read , “Illegal ” Settlers gawk as Palestinian woman lies dying at “Illegal ” checkpoint after being shot by murderous iof criminal.

    Is it true that zionists have invented a replacement for the human heart.It would appear so.

    Yup. It’s a more-compact version of the real thing. Goes by the name Heart/Less. One size fits all hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists.

    • amigo
      September 23, 2015, 1:26 pm

      eljay , thanks for reply.

      My post and two others disappeared. Have the hasbarists hacked MW.

      • eljay
        September 23, 2015, 1:38 pm

        I tried to reply to your comment in the other thread, but the thread disappeared. Looks like it got wiped and replaced with this identical thread.

        Luckily your comment was still in the 100 Recent Coments thread, so I copied over from there and replied to it again. :-)

      • Annie Robbins
        September 23, 2015, 1:53 pm

        i looked in trash, nothing there from either of you. therefore i would suggest the entire article was replaced for some reason which does happen on occasion for tech reasons (like my nabi saleh ‘pallywood’ article)

        just try posting again. sorry!

      • amigo
        September 23, 2015, 2:26 pm

        “just try posting again. sorry!” Annie.

        Wasn,t really complaining Annie.I just wanted to get that jibe at the Hasbara brigade.

      • lysias
        September 23, 2015, 2:40 pm

        And here’s my comment that also disappeared:

        I often have the unpleasant experience of seeing cars carrying a bumper sticker saying “Hebron” in Hebrew (חברון) driving around in my neighborhood just outside Washington

      • Annie Robbins
        September 23, 2015, 4:01 pm

        oh that’s creepy lysias

        also, while i am here i thought i’d mention to everyone, i just updated the article by adding this new recently released video at the base. i don’t recommend it. just .. so sad.

  2. a blah chick
    September 23, 2015, 1:11 pm

    The version I saw in Haaretz accepts that she was armed and implies that she was treated immediately. In fact they do not mention that she was lying on the ground for some time bleeding to death.

    Want to get your start as a serial killer in Israel? Just put on a uniform and shoot Arabs, they’ll even give you medals for it.

    • echinococcus
      September 23, 2015, 1:36 pm

      What we must make exceedingly clear to the general public by any means at our disposal, and keep harping on it, is that the Zionists are the new Nazis, no ifs, buts, oranges or apples about it. In these very terms. Obviously the main hurdle is internal, that of a lot of people who are still sympathetic to Zionism.

      • Annie Robbins
        September 23, 2015, 1:56 pm

        keep harping on it … the Zionists are the new Nazis, no ifs, buts, … about it.

        i don’t agree for a number of reasons.

      • Blownaway
        September 23, 2015, 2:22 pm

        We always hear about the different types of settlers who live on stolen lands, all are thieves, but the settlers in Hebron are a unique brand of scum. Primitive filthy and evil

      • Kris
        September 23, 2015, 2:26 pm

        @echinococcus: “…the Zionists are the new Nazis..”

        Certainly the Zionists and the Nazis have an awful lot in common.

      • JLewisDickerson
        September 23, 2015, 3:33 pm

        RE: “the Zionists are the new Nazis” ~ a blah chick

        MY REPLY: Nazis or nazis? In either case, I don’t think this is a useful/helpful analogy.

        Full Definition of NAZI

        1
        : a member of a German fascist party controlling Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler
        2
        often not capitalized
        a : one who espouses the beliefs and policies of the German Nazis : fascist
        b : one who is likened to a German Nazi : a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person

        SOURCE – http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nazi

      • echinococcus
        September 23, 2015, 4:16 pm

        Dickerson,

        Thanks a lot for the capital / lowcase reminder, but I don’t think that is a useful/helpful difference.

        Fine, you “don’t think this is a useful/helpful analogy.”

        To a lot of other people who know about the last capital W War as something imprinted in them practically from birth, this setting is the only significant reference frame. It means something very specific, i.e. the coming together of a number of conditions.

        The internal conditions, i.e. within the Herrenvolk population of the Zionists, are very similar to those just before the definitive power grab of the Nazis but the violent intimidation and murderous militarist mob rule is already there. I am not concerned at all about these internal conditions, because what we want to know is: how does it compare for the populations facing the business end of it?

        We really know a lot about the German occupation of Europe. Let’s look at it for a moment:

        – ideology glorifying war and ruthless repression or all dissidence or resistance (the real zero tolerance policy); exceptional cruelty of the repression and arbitrary nature of the measures against the civilian population, using fear as the only pacifying measure; considering the occupied civilian populations as either enemy combatants or complicit of resistance

        – total absence of any legal protection for the occupied population and total contempt of international law, laws of war and the representatives of international law

        – outspoken, legally sanctioned racism and justification of the genocide of populations seen as racially inferior

        – flawless militarization of all aspects of life in the core area (here, pre-67 occupation area); total control by the military (and contempt of even their own juridical instances) of the officially occupied populations, practically all considered as either enemy combatants or complicit of resistance

        – use of puppet governments to rubber stamp the measures of the occupant and increase the efficiency of the repression against the resistance

        Any of these has been used by practically all bellicous/belligerent powers at one time or the other, but the combination immediately evokes the early forties for anyone aware of our most recent history.

      • CigarGod
        September 24, 2015, 10:10 am

        I think you are more correct than not. We are conditioned to resist that notion because what we have now, does not exactly mirror what happened then. Conspicuous by it’s absence is discussion/awareness of the gradual nature…over decades of the nazi changes. It happened as gradual then as it is happening/has happened now.

        There is a lot of – cringe – reactions to examine and overcome before even liberal, open minded and fair thinking people can think effectively about what you say.

      • lysias
        September 24, 2015, 10:28 am

        Israel may not yet have gone as far as Germany in the 1940’s, but it certainly does bear comparison with the Germany of the late 1930’s.

      • echinococcus
        September 24, 2015, 5:08 pm

        Lysias,

        If I’m allowed a Wodehousian expression, I’d say “watch their smoke”.

    • zaid
      September 23, 2015, 11:11 pm

      i think people are being unfair to hebron settlers by painting them as Crazier than the rest.

      I think they all are lunatics, here is some samples.

      • RockyMissouri
        September 24, 2015, 11:30 am

        That settler is very disturbing…

    • RockyMissouri
      September 24, 2015, 11:37 am

      You can almost sense the rejoicing every time they murder a Palestinian..

  3. amigo
    September 23, 2015, 1:45 pm

    Someone ought to post that idfer,s face all over the net.It might make him think twice about showing up in civilised societies .

    • ritzl
      September 23, 2015, 3:43 pm

      Agree amigo. Murder. Plain and simple.

      And his family outside Israel should be found and made to feel “uncomfortable” by making it known they are kin to a sick bastard who likes to shoot defenseless young women.

      Since there is no punishment for these crimes in Israel, post leaflets around their neighborhood kinda like the unofficial treatment sex offenders get. Maybe family exposure will be communicated back to these sick f’ks and will make them a little less likely to gun down kids for no reason whatsoever. There sure doesn’t seem to be any other deterrent.

      Same with the gawkers.

      Zionism is racism, but Israel is a sickness. It should be exposed as such.

      • echinococcus
        September 23, 2015, 5:28 pm

        Ritzl,

        Do you want to help this bastard become even more popular as a hero? Because that’s what he is to the Zionists. Needless to stress that they are not a minority.
        I’m for distributing his picture and address because, you never know, there might be some measure of justice one day. But shame him it won’t!

    • Stephen Shenfield
      September 23, 2015, 3:52 pm

      Kris: Certainly the Zionists and the Nazis have an awful lot in common.

      There were Nazis who recognized this, though Hitler did not. There are also pro-Zionist groups among present-day Nazis, like National Socialists for Israel (in Germany). It is this sort of “toughness” that wins their respect and leads them to the conclusion that Hitler was wrong about the Jews.

      • echinococcus
        September 23, 2015, 4:22 pm

        Fact is, Zionism and Nazism are twin products of romantic German nationalism. That is what explicitly started the myth of a Jewish “nation” and a cry for a Jews-only Lebensraum. The racist component also comes from the same source.

        Incidentally: where fascism had no explicit (inside-Whites) racism, the Zionists were among the first organized adherents, as Vladimir Jabotinsky and his band of Italian fascists.

      • a4tech
        September 23, 2015, 4:47 pm

        I don’t get why do you have to limit it to Nazism? I think Israel’s current and past form is a manifestation of a whole lot more of European historical developments than just Nazism. How about imperialism, orientalism, colonialism, religious zealotry etc, with the tribal aspects of Judaism tying everything together. It must be noted also that the mainstream state ideology of Israel is still highly rooted in European traditions and thoughts, despite it being physically in the Mid-East and having a semitic state religion.

      • echinococcus
        September 23, 2015, 5:33 pm

        Why concentrate on the Nazism of it? Because it’s always a good idea to focus instead of dispersing thought in all possible directions until one loses sight of what one wants. Also, yes there are all these elements just as there were in Nazism –the end result is eerily similar and the measures to be taken are the same. The ones that came too late last time.

      • Annie Robbins
        September 23, 2015, 5:53 pm

        well, just for the record echin, comparing zionists to nazis per se is not against comment policy here but i’m not particularly fond of reading them. i don’t like threads all full of nazi this and nazi that. i don’t like clearing comments and having to read a bunch of nazi stuff. it’s just yuk. so while you might have a point and think your goal is worthy (harping on it – no if buts etc) i wouldn’t advise harping on it all the time here. while i might not trash them, i might scroll right on past them and let another mod clear them or trash them at their discretion later whenever they happen to show up — like tomorrow. you know how sometimes when you read a thread and might kind of gloss over some people’s comments. that’s always an option for me too. just saying.

      • ziusudra
        September 24, 2015, 10:59 am

        Re.: Ms. Annie,
        …i’m not particularly fond of reading – about Nazis- ……

        You are certainly very tolerant of Zios misrepresenting bogus biblical history. Is it really relevant what you consider on line or in accord with the R & R of MW? You allow anyone to print Anti-Semite against what another prints. There should be equality in allowing print of similarities betw. Zionism & Nazism.

        I may be forced to bestow unto you, the title of : Queen of Heresy within the MW Inquisition against anything which disturbs you. Smite ’em down, gal, you’ll learn ’em.

      • YoniFalic
        September 24, 2015, 12:31 pm

        Just for the record, my family came from the Ukraine before going to Palestine under the Mandate.

        I don’t see that I have anything ethnically in common with Moroccan, Yemeni, or Ethiopian Jews.

        I don’t practice the religion, which I consider rather stupid.

        As far as I can tell, Zionists use “Jew” exactly as German Nazis used “Aryan”. My grandfather told me that German Jews back in the 30s claimed “Zionism” was their “Nazism”.

      • echinococcus
        September 24, 2015, 7:02 pm

        Yoni Falic,

        Just so. Please consider, however, that what this tells us and the connotations it has for Annie must be very wide apart, as she seems to be grown up in the US late after the war. The images that any mention of Nazism evoke in her mind may be mainly related to Holocaust(TM) and late teary-eyed hagiography rather than the horrible, almost-Palestinian, everyday of War, occupation and resistance. Also, it would be stupid to hold her responsible for the site owner’s policies.

      • RoHa
        September 24, 2015, 7:05 pm

        Ziusudra, your remarks are unjustified.

        Annie has to read and judge mountains of comments, most of which totally lack the sparkling wit, the verve, and the sheer intellectual awesomeness of my brilliant contributions. It is hardly surprising that, while pursuing this thankless task, she gets weary of seeing the same tired old themes cropping up.

        Apparently she has to eat and sleep from time to time (a weakness for which I have already chided her), but otherwise moderating and writing seem to be full time jobs for her*, and the overall quality of MW suggests that she does it well.

        An apology might be in order.

        (*No wonder she has not had a minute to locate the shift key.)

      • YoniFalic
        September 25, 2015, 11:01 am

        I just noticed this article. I am sorry that I could not find it in English. It describes sperm donation from soldiers in elite IDF units. Israeli Jewish women find it desirable to bear children from this sperm. Such warrior-sperm-impregnation seems precisely to recreate the German Nazi Lebensborn program, in which unmarried Aryan women bore children of the SS elite.

        http://www.mako.co.il/pzm-weekend/Article-da037626a0fff41006.htm

      • CigarGod
        September 25, 2015, 12:55 pm

        Holy [email protected]&!
        At least in the idf most must serve.
        In most militaries, the enlisted come from the poor, uneducated, rural class…also the most conservative.

        I guess it depends on what gene pool one values.

      • Keith
        September 25, 2015, 6:28 pm

        YONIFALIC- “It describes sperm donation from soldiers in elite IDF units.”

        When a soldier is caught red-handed, so to speak, it is wise for him to claim that he is merely doing his patriotic duty. Bravely defending against the demographic threat as it were.

      • echinococcus
        September 26, 2015, 6:02 pm

        Cigar God,

        I had somebody read it to me –effectively, it is “elite troop” sperm (I won’t use the initialisms we generally refer to for better understanding; you can find them in Yoni’s post), not common-or-garden draftee goo.

  4. Blownaway
    September 23, 2015, 2:40 pm

    Anyone notice in the first picture there is no knife by the barrel. Then later it mysteriously appears by the barrels?

    • eljay
      September 23, 2015, 2:46 pm

      || Blownaway: Anyone notice in the first picture there is no knife by the barrel. Then later it mysteriously appears by the barrels? ||

      Different barrel. In the first photo, the “knife barrel” would be located on the other side of Ms. Hashlamoun, next to the gold/gray steel posts.

      • amigo
        September 23, 2015, 3:42 pm

        Agree eljay . after blowing up both images , I can see what appears to be a second barrel that is difficult to see as it is obscured by the victim.

        However , that raises a question.She would have fallen backwards from the force of the bullet , which she did and the knife seems to be quite a distance forward from where she was standing.If she voluntarily dropped the knife why was she shot.

      • talknic
        September 23, 2015, 9:29 pm

        @ amigo “She would have fallen backwards from the force of the bullet….”

        In the movies maybe. A rabbit isn’t even knocked away from the fire of a .22 bullet

        https://youtu.be/YJHlddxRxns

      • talknic
        September 23, 2015, 9:41 pm

        Same barrel. Look at the black mark under the writing C and at the bottom R . It has been moved to the left of the steel bearer.

      • eljay
        September 24, 2015, 7:24 am

        || talknic: Same barrel. Look at the black mark under the writing C and at the bottom R . It has been moved to the left of the steel bearer. ||

        Yes, it certainly looks that way. Barrel moved over, the bottle of water that was on top of it is now on the ground nearby…and, hey, lookit that: A terrrrrr knife!

      • Jackdaw
        September 24, 2015, 10:25 am

        “The soldiers were not at risk”

        If this young women’s hands are hidden beneath the burqa, than how is a soldier, or anyone, supposed to know she’s not holding a weapon.

        BTW.
        How do you travel through a checkpoint in a full burqa? Aren’t you supposed to present a photo ID? Does anyone not see this?

      • Annie Robbins
        September 24, 2015, 11:11 am

        How do you travel through a checkpoint in a full burqa?

        as calmly as possible.

      • Jackdaw
        September 24, 2015, 10:30 am

        The knife was originally dropped right next to where the women had been standing (on the other side of the wooden railings),
        and subsequently posed next to the barrel. There are other photos circulating showing the soldier confronting the young women on the opposite side of the wooden railings.

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3245438/Dramatic-moment-Israeli-soldier-points-rifle-veiled-teenage-Palestinian-student-shot-dead-moments-later-attempting-stab-West-Bank-checkpoint-guard.html

        See the embedded Daily Mail video, seen above @00:15, showing the blue and yellow handled knife laying on the ground.

      • eljay
        September 24, 2015, 11:16 am

        || Jackdaw: … BTW. How do you travel through a checkpoint in a full burqa? Aren’t you supposed to present a photo ID? Does anyone not see this? ||

        BTW. What’s an Israeli checkpoint manned by Israeli Terror Forces doing in non-Israeli territory? Does anyone not see this?

      • straightline
        September 24, 2015, 4:08 pm
      • Mooser
        September 24, 2015, 4:10 pm

        Awww, I’m so touched! I just realized, you know, Zionism is a lot like love, if love means never saying “I’m sorry!”

    • amigo
      September 23, 2015, 3:21 pm

      You are right.Look at the bottle of water in the second image .It is no longer sitting atop the barrel .Also in the second image there is a stanchion just two feet from the barrel , whereas in the first image that is not to be seen.Only the soldier and he is three feet to the right of the barrel and there is no object between him and the barrel.

      Something very strange.I wonder if one of the squatters is minus a knife.

      • a blah chick
        September 23, 2015, 4:54 pm

        “Something very strange. I wonder if one of the squatters is minus a knife.”

        You would think the IDF could afford its own throw-down weapons.

      • Bornajoo
        September 24, 2015, 11:32 am

        “How do you travel through a checkpoint in a full burqa? Aren’t you supposed to present a photo ID? Does anyone not see this?”

        No idea. We don’t have them here in London.

        So she deserved to be shot and left to die in agony for not understanding Israeli checkpoint etiquette? Yes how stupid of her for not following the so called rules you have created inside her own country. How dare she not behave like a good occupied citizen and follow her master’s exact orders!

        Yes it must have been her fault right?

        Its obvious you have no empathy whatsoever for “those” people

      • Jackdaw
        September 24, 2015, 3:46 pm

        @Bornajoo

        Oh yes you do have these checkpoints.

        Can a person wearing a full burqa board an airplane?

        Oh no they cannot.

      • Bornajoo
        September 24, 2015, 5:21 pm

        Passport control entering/leaving a country is not the same as a checkpoint within a country controlling the movements of people who live in that country who just want to travel from a to b within their own country!

        In the UK a female passenger wearing a burqa can request that her passport is matched to her face in a private room by a female officer. They don’t shoot and murder them

      • piotr
        September 24, 2015, 9:09 pm

        I looked several times at the barrel, it is definitely the same in both pictures, so the knife is not in the original position. It is quite possible that a checkpoint would have a knife specifically for this type of situation.

        After all, Israelis do not use justifications in this style ( yesterday in Baltimore county):

        A Maryland man was shot dead by police after pointing his finger as if it was a gun at an officer. Baltimore County police said they chased a man Wednesday, who was suspected of trying to buy cough syrup with a fake prescription.
        He was “reaching around to the small of his back and abruptly whipping his hand around and pointing it toward the officer, as if with a weapon,” authorities said.
        The incident was recorded on surveillance footage from a nearby business. Police say the video shows that after falling to the ground the unidentified man refused “to comply and keeps reaching into his waistband, as if for a weapon.”

        Read more: http://bluenationreview.com/maryland-man-killed-by-police-after-imitating-gun-with-his-fingers/#ixzz3mhy0P2bl

        So the suspect have fallen down, as when he was prone of the ground, he “failed to comply”.

    • Annie Robbins
      September 23, 2015, 3:25 pm

      the shadow from the sun in the two photos indicate a significant amount of time has passed between the two photos.

      also, the way the knife lines up with the shadow in the second photo is not convincing

      • eljay
        September 23, 2015, 3:30 pm

        Interestingly, in the photos on this site there’s no sign of a barrel next to the gold/gray steel posts flanking the metal chair.

    • MHughes976
      September 23, 2015, 3:43 pm

      The BBC is reporting the incident, laying stress on the funeral violence and giving full prominence to the story that she pulled a knife and that efforts were made to deter her by shooting at the ground, though all this is denied by ‘a Palestinian man who was nearby’. I’d still be of the opinion that there must be ways in which several heavily armed men, though the most prominent shooter appeared to be little more than a boy, can restrain an individual woman with a knife.
      ‘But then they would have been afraid that she also had a bomb. That would also have been why they had to leave her to bleed. That’s the price that terrorist societies must pay in their confrontation with the forces of civilisation.’ I don’t believe this. There must have been an alternative.

      • amigo
        September 23, 2015, 4:10 pm

        “But then they would have been afraid that she also had a bomb. That would also have been why they had to leave her to bleed – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/09/settlers-palestinian-dying-checkpoint#sthash.GFxCB8rJ.dpuf” MS Hughes.

        If they were concerned about a bomb they would have first cleared the area and called in bomb disposal experts.They decided instead to drag her and unveil her as shown in the updated video above.

      • MHughes976
        September 23, 2015, 4:37 pm

        Not sure I can bear to look at the video but you’re right of course. Did you imply by ‘MS Hughes’ that I am one of the honourable women here? In fact I am of the other gender – Martin

      • amigo
        September 23, 2015, 4:45 pm

        Did you imply by ‘MS Hughes’ that I am one of the honourable women here? In fact I am of the other gender – Martin – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/09/settlers-palestinian-dying-checkpoint/comment-page-1#comment-798423“Martin.

        Apologies to the honourable Martin Hughes.A typo. .

      • RoHa
        September 23, 2015, 7:09 pm

        “I’d still be of the opinion that there must be ways in which several heavily armed men … can restrain an individual woman with a knife.”

        As one who regularly practises such things, I can assure you that there are several ways a small, skinny, retired philosophy lecturer can disarm and restrain a woman or man armed with a knife, even if that man or woman is twice the size and less than half the age of said lecturer.

        One would think that, among several young soldiers, there would have been one with sufficient training to attempt it.

      • echinococcus
        September 24, 2015, 1:58 am

        RoHa,
        Even if she had a knife, of course there are routine techniques, applied for example by policemen in civilized and many uncivilized countries; in the Promised Land, though, the principle is to avoid entirely any risk of harming not only the life, but even the creased uniform pants of a member of the Master Race by squashing any subject like a bug.

        Which they have perfectly taught to the US police and army in the last 15 years.

      • ejran
        September 24, 2015, 2:57 am

        ‘But then they would have been afraid that she also had a bomb. That would also have been why they had to leave her to bleed. That’s the price that terrorist societies must pay in their confrontation with the forces of civilisation.’
        Terrorist societies vs forces of civilisation. This makes my stomach turn.

      • MHughes976
        September 24, 2015, 5:11 pm

        I feel rather bad about using. even in order to scorn, the stomach-turning terminology, but I suppose it is close to what the settlers think and that they would quite likely throw some religious words into the mix, making it even more horrible. I also think that reports like that of the BBC. dominated by the reactive Palestinian violence at the funeral and then by the cold language of the Israeli account, moderated only by what were presented as the allegations of a bystander, conveyed without using shocking language the same shocking idea about the violence, implicitly the terrorism, of the Palestinians. The general style of apparently responsible Western comment on this situation is still abjectly subservient to Zionist imperatives. Tariq Ali has been saying that Corbyn’s new prominence will force some change in the BBC. though I’m not so sure. I think the framing will be ‘answers demanded from Corbyn about his unsavoury associates’.

    • zaid
      September 23, 2015, 11:19 pm

      they remind me of the american policeman that planted a weapon next to a black man that he shot from the back.

      remember alot of US policemen get trained in Israhell

  5. MHughes976
    September 23, 2015, 3:17 pm

    It was the unconcerned, uninterested expression of the settlers that impressed me. What they saw was a minor administrative problem being dealt with.

    • Boomer
      September 23, 2015, 5:34 pm

      re the “unconcerned, uninterested expression of the settlers”

      When Aunt Sally asks Huck if anyone was hurt in the riverboat explosion he says, “”No’m, killed a nigger.” He is, at least for the purpose of this conversation, still reflecting the characteristic attitudes and values of his culture, which his relationship with Jim will cause him to transcend and reject (even though it means he will go to hell).

      Perhaps an even closer analogy for the Israeli settlers’ attitude in U.S. history would be with the notion espoused by some 18th and 19th century American settlers that, “the only good injun is a dead injun.” The death of a slave, after all, was a regrettable loss of property, whereas Indians were obstacles to fulfilling our Manifest Destiny.

      An added dynamic, relevant for all these cases, arises from the settlers’ awareness of guilt (even if repressed and kept from consciousness).

      The U.S. has overcome this legacy–to the extent that it has done so–only with generations of time and effort. Is there some way to expedite the process in Israel?

      I don’t profess to know the answer, though I am doubtful. As an American, I would like to see that happen, but I focus more on a less ambitious goal: ending America’s support for Israel’s policies and doing something to make amends (regardless of how inadequate) for what we have done. Even that goal, though less ambitious, seems out of reach, alas.

      • ejran
        September 24, 2015, 3:54 am

        I agree completely.
        The values of compassion and humanity only apply to “thy fellow”: ”neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy fellow- but (a Gentile) is not thy fellow.” This is not only colonial superiority but a religious observation. Even if a significant part of the population is not religious, any contact with these teachings reinforces hatred towards the Palestinians, and it is not uncommon to identify them with the Amalekites and other ancient nations which “must be utterly exterminated” according to the bible and the Talmud. You are taught that you must not save a gentile’s life, for “it is forbidden to save them if they are at the point of death; if, for example, if one of them is seen falling into the sea, he should not be rescued”; to curse their grave as you pass it; that for a doctor, it is “forbidden to heal a gentile even for payment”, the only exception being to avert possible dangerous hostility towards the Jews (“dangerous” when it comes from strong, influential Gentiles). But when you are stronger, when you have nuclear weapons, fear of hostility becomes less of an issue. When you are on a land that calls itself the land of your People, God’s chosen people, the “best of the human species”, a land that by official definition “belongs” to anyone who is defined as Jewish, you are free and even encouraged to unleash all of this hatred and contempt for those lesser species. If the Jews have sufficient power, then expelling the Palestinians becomes a duty. “When the Jews are more powerful than the Gentiles we are forbidden to let an idolator among us… for it is written, ‘they shall not dwell in thy land’, that is, not even temporarily.”

        I have been reading Shahak (from whose writings I take the quotes) and really agree that it is important to understand Israel’s policies from a Jewish ideological perspective, not only a “coldly conceived imperial interest”. It explains why those who kill Palestinians, even in mass murder, are always let off completely or given extremely light sentences. There’s almost a careful fear of punishing acts of violence towards Palestinians. Words are cheap, and leaders can condemn in strong terms, of course, but action is never taken, because those acts of violence are consistent with the greater ideology. Settlers can do whatever they want, literally. Talk of a Palestinian state must be understood for what it is: just talk, attempts to postpone action indefinitely and buy time, because those who understand the ideology know that allowing sovereignty (even if fake) for another people on the land of Israel is not possible. It is all a question of when Israel will be strong enough to treat Palestinians as they “should be treated”; the stronger it gets, the more ruthless it becomes. “Not one village must be left, not one tribe”. Is this ethnically pure Jewish state, the exclusivist Greater Israel, practically and politically possible? Is it “morally just”? When you’re motivated by ideology, you’re less concerned about universal values of justice. The ideology becomes a higher moral standard that justifies all the means, including genocide. And for this reason, it is the ideology that needs to be confronted before the practices that stem from it. A much avoided, much more challenging task.

  6. eGuard
    September 23, 2015, 3:48 pm

    How many straws needed to break Apartheid back?

    I find the ei approach, as linked, more journalistic. What in the MW angle do I not get?
    Oh, and btw Egypt govt is razing Rafah (pop 80,000 – before). No reporters allowed in.

  7. ckg
    September 23, 2015, 4:02 pm

    From yesterday’s press briefing at State:

    QUESTION: Okay. Can I ask a couple questions on the Palestinian-Israeli issue?

    MR TONER: Sure.

    QUESTION: Tensions are rising. The Israelis, today, killed a woman under the pretext she was wielding a knife, but apparently there was no knife. There was a lot of videos that showed otherwise and so on. They also closed all doors and they closed the West Bank and Gaza completely because of Yom Kippur. Do you have any comments on that?

    MR TONER: I’m not aware – you referred to the video; I’m not aware of that, I haven’t seen that report so I can’t really speak to that particular incident. But obviously, we remain, Said, deeply concerned by the ongoing violence and the escalating tensions, as you just said, surrounding – certainly surrounding Temple Mount, or Haram al-Sharif. We obviously condemn all acts of violence. We want to see tensions reduced. We want to see both sides – all sides, frankly – exercise restraint, refrain from provocative actions and rhetoric, and preserve unchanged the historic status quo.

    QUESTION: Does that include – the non-changing of the status quo, does that include the names of the streets? Because the Israelis today gave Hebrew names to all the Arabic names in East Jerusalem. Do you have – are you aware of that or do you have any comment on that?

    MR TONER: I’m not aware of that. I’d have to look into that.

    QUESTION: But that would also be included in the non-change, right?

    MR TONER: Again, that’s where we’ve stood on this policy-wise. I don’t know about specific name-changing that you mention, so I’d have to look into that.

    • a blah chick
      September 23, 2015, 4:59 pm

      Wow, that was a really productive exchange.

    • RoHa
      September 23, 2015, 7:26 pm

      So the US State Department doesn’t know anything about events in other countries? Well, I didn’t really expect it to.

      • echinococcus
        September 24, 2015, 1:59 am

        Makes sense, RoHa. The ministry in charge of foreign affairs here in the States is the Department of “Defense”.

  8. ckg
    September 23, 2015, 4:15 pm

    Telegraph: “Activists deny Palestinian woman shot dead by Israeli army attacked with knife” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11885653/Activists-deny-Palestinian-woman-shot-dead-by-Israeli-army-attacked-with-knife.html

    AP: “Palestinian Witness Disputes Israel Account of Woman’s Death” http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/09/23/world/middleeast/ap-ml-israel-palestinians.html

    • amigo
      September 23, 2015, 4:39 pm

      I think I would be far more likely to believe th Palestinian version than that of soldiers.
      His story sounds a lot more credible and in keeping with standard iof MO.Shoot first and then check the manual for best excuse.

      • Kay24
        September 23, 2015, 4:46 pm

        I agree. How many times have the Israelis lied, exaggerated, doctored tapes, until a video surfaces supporting the Palestinian version of the crime?

  9. Bornajoo
    September 23, 2015, 6:36 pm

    This kippah wearing religious nationalist bastard soldier could easily be the son of one of one of my cousins who are just like this. He probably had a bet that he would kill another cockroach or rat that day because to them killing an Arab is a mitzvah (good deed) as they don’t really see the Palestinians as human beings. To them they are just vermin that need to be eradicated. Those settlers weren’t watching a human being bleed to death, they were watching some wretched animal being put down. Look at their faces. There is no sign of anguish or empathy because those feelings do not even exist within them.

    As Avigail Abarbanel has stated on regular occasions these people are extremely sick and very dangerous. They cannot be reasoned with. The Palestinian people, who are completely vulnerable and defenceless, need to be urgently protected from these hate filled psychopathic killers. We are just watching them being slaughtered and tortured and it’s just being allowed to happen day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year. I really can’t comprehend how this is allowed to go on after all these decades. This is such a sick world.

    • Curatica
      September 24, 2015, 2:18 pm

      As a goy, I have precisely the same perception. I read that in this period, the Israeli government assigned the most enraged “soldiers” to guard the checkpoints; those capable of killing human beings in cold blood, exactly as you describe.

      For any person of conscience, it seems unbearable to learn about these crimes. But there will be no end to the Palestinians’ suffering. Not in this world.

      • Annie Robbins
        September 24, 2015, 2:32 pm

        i doubt they assign hebron checkpoint duty, or any checkpoint duty, randomly. seriously. and especially on the holidays.

        the Israeli government assigned the most enraged “soldiers” to guard the checkpoints

        or the most racist, unfeeling and/or callous. the kind that would think nothing of pumping bullets into a girl. but it wouldn’t have to be an enraged person. it could be the most robotic. some killers don’t stress about it. snipers could care less.

  10. italian ex-pat
    September 23, 2015, 7:05 pm

    I have watched the video, more than one version actually, very carefully, and I see nothing indicating that she was about to strike the soldier closest to her with a knife.
    Even assuming she was indeed carrying a knife (for what purpose, who knows? Self-defense, perhaps?), it seems unlikely the soldier would have felt so much in danger for his life that he had to shoot her. After all, he was not all alone, several of his buddies were nearby, please don’t tell me that they wouldn’t have been able to subdue an 18-year old girl.
    I could even understand their panic if they thought she might be a suicide bomber – it has happened, we know. But. . . if they suspected she was wired with explosives, the last thing they would do is shoot her and trigger an explosion that would have blown them all to smithereens.

    Bottom line: they knew she was no threat to their lives but shot her fatally nonetheless. I have to hope she died quickly, before they dragged her on the ground like a bag of garbage. And the smirk on one of the watching settlers’ face is more than I can stand.

    • Annie Robbins
      September 23, 2015, 7:40 pm

      no she did not die quickly. not til the evening many hours and operations later.

      • inbound39
        September 24, 2015, 5:08 am

        Israels actions are totally repulsive and despicable. I understand and to a large extent sympathize and empathize with ‘Echinococcus’ viewpoint and feel the same about your view Annie. I find Israels past reminiscent and entirely similar to past historical events we declared we would never allow to happen again. All the more reason why American Government stance is unacceptable and inexcusable for its unconditional and ongoing support of Israel. It is indefensible and justified by nothing. I feel tremendously sorry for jewish people who have nothing to do with Israeli actions. There are good and bad people in all cultures. Israeli culture is just plain wrong….alarm bells are ringing and the World stands like a rabbit stunned by the spotlight doing nothing. As a former military member I find it sickening,more than disturbing.

      • Annie Robbins
        September 24, 2015, 2:28 pm

        inexcusable for its unconditional and ongoing support of Israel. It is indefensible and justified by nothing. –

        it’s so frustrating inbound. i swear i’d go out of my mind if i let it get to me every moment of every day. and when events like this gruesome murder happen there’s no way it doesn’t incite people and lead to radical reactions from the community — obviously including comments. i mean how can you hear about this stuff as a normal person and not just flip out. everyone responds in their own way. when i first heard about it, almost immediately after news got out because people send us tips, my very first reaction was something really horrid (but i happen to think it’s true) and not the sort of thing i generally share publicly as we’re targeted and some rightwinger would probably write a blog post about it and screenshoot it and every time someone googled my name it would pop up..if you know what i mean, it’s happened before. but i did reply in the email — immediately. something about holidays so you can just imagine.

        i always remind myself however stressful it seems to me, it is nothing compared to what palestinians endure which is like a zillion plus of whatever i experience. sumud — not being my natural mental habitat, continued harping on nazis could potentially drive me up a wall if i had to read it non stop.

  11. Ellen
    September 23, 2015, 10:56 pm

    Do that to a dog in Israel and you will be arrested for cruelty. Shoot a Palestinian or foreigner…. huh? Who cares?

    • inbound39
      September 25, 2015, 7:12 am

      I agree entirely to what you say Annie, Someone once said hearing someone die and seeing someone die is different and seeing someone die is worse. I have done both and in all honesty both ways of observing death are equally traumatic, When it has come to any issue I have always spoken the truth and what I know to be the truth. If I am ever wrong then I am happy to admit it and well amend my facts to update my understanding and truth. People who are upset by truth are generally guilty or shamed by what they here. In this conflict which we discuss here there are many Zionists who fear the truth and who are angered by it because it shatters the victim charade they have spent years building to cover up their heinous acts and behaviours. If we all endeavour on here to speak the truth then we can never be shamed nor feel guilty nor can we ever feel we sat by and did nothing while a despotic regime and people like that operating in Israel went about what they consider to be a legitimate slaughter of people….human beings…..people like themselves that had hopes and dreams and family that cared. I have always opposed such people whether they be jewish or otherwise…..to me it is just plain unacceptable. What drives me up the wall is their audacity to think no-one will do anything about them and that no-one should.

  12. mcohen.
    September 24, 2015, 6:49 am

    I had no idea Palestinian 19 year old students wore the burka with just the eyes showing…is that normal for the west bank…anyone know this ?….all those people at mecca must have been impressed that she did and outraged….full black,young girl,does not understand Hebrew

    Correct me here

    Surely every single west bank Palestinian understands checkpoint procedure from a young age…

    Surely every single west bank Palestinian student understands a few Hebrew words…

    one has to conclude that she was not Palestinian and did not understand Hebrew.

    • a blah chick
      September 24, 2015, 8:04 am

      Wow, a young woman gets brutally shot and left to die in the street and want to know why she has not yet learned the language of her oppressors? How about the soldiers get out of HER town?

    • Boo
      September 24, 2015, 9:20 am

      You seem to be trying to allege something, but it’s lost in your after-the-fact, evidence-free speculations. The only thing that one “has to conclude” is that another young Palestinian woman was shot dead.

    • Citizen
      September 24, 2015, 10:33 am

      @mcohen
      Aren’t you the one who said Alison Weir was motivated by hatred of the Other on this blog not so long ago? I think her web site, IfAmericansKnew makes it clear she values the bedrock of US democracy: informed consent.

    • Annie Robbins
      September 24, 2015, 11:30 am

      I had no idea Palestinian 19 year old students wore the burka

      so what? educate yourself. sometimes muslim women wear burqas, i saw them in palestine, eqypt and lebanon. what difference does it make how old they are? do yourself a favor, google “palestine woman in burqa” by image.

      Correct me here

      Surely every single west bank Palestinian understands checkpoint procedure from a young age…

      no, it’s for you to provide some kind of evidence burqas are not allowed at israeli military checkpoints in palestine. if they have a problem with burqas surely there’s some policy statement about it like in france. i’ve never heard of such a thing. or should women in burqas expect to get shot going thru a checkpoint? is the message here?

      Surely every single west bank Palestinian student understands a few Hebrew words…

      a few words? you’ve got it backwards. the soldiers are in palestine, they should learn a few words in arabic so they can more easily communicate with the people they are oppressing. words like ‘stop, turn around’ if the chinese set up checkpoints outside your door and started ordering you around are you blamed for not understanding chinese?

      • Curatica
        September 24, 2015, 3:02 pm

        There is a photo of Hadeel Hashlamoun when she was still alive and happy, and without a burka, on this website:
        http://en.abna24.com/service/middle-east-west-asia/archive/2015/09/23/711938/story.html

        Of course, blaming the victims has always been their tactics. This girl was only guilty of existing. But the murderers corrected this mistake.

      • mcohen.
        September 24, 2015, 5:43 pm

        as usual you have it all wrong…no idea……no idea what I am talking about,lost in translation

        the “witness” dressed in slacks,….he said she did not understand Hebrew………..well that would be easy to verify…….said the fly…..on the wall

        why not check it out pal ……media

        from http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/201022#.VgR6mo9Viko the following

        The Palestinian woman shot on Tuesday morning at an Israeli army checkpoint had been planning to conduct a terror attack for months, despite Palestinian reports she was an innocent bystander.

        Palestinian eyewitnesses at the Hashoter checkpoint in Hevron claim Hadeel al-Hashlamon, 18, was shot for no reason, though the IDF maintains she was gunned down only after trying to stab a soldier.

        An investigation into the incident, Channel 2 reports Thursday, reveals that al-Hashlamon was known to the Israel Security Agency and had long expressed a desire to commit a terrorist act.

        In recent months, al-Hashlamon told friends on numerous occasions she wanted “do something” and carry out an attack. The day before the incident in Hevron, she asked to separate from her husband and told him they would not see each other again.

        Photographs disseminated by the Palestinian activist group “Youth Against Settlements,” however, seems to portray al-Hashlamon as standing far away from IDF forces with no knife in hand, while the soldiers’ weapons are drawn.

        Israeli authorities are investigating the suspicion that al-Hashlamon may have coordinated the attack, and its documentation, in advance, having arrived on scene at the same time as the Palestinian photographer.

        Al-Hashlamon was severely injured as a result of the gunfire, and died later on Tuesday at a Jerusalem-area hospital.

      • talknic
        September 24, 2015, 10:32 pm

        @ mcohen. from link to israelnationalnews.com …

        PaliPorn central? No thanks

        “The Palestinian woman shot on Tuesday morning at an Israeli army checkpoint had been planning to conduct a terror attack for month “

        So why didn’t they arrest her?

    • diasp0ra
      September 24, 2015, 1:06 pm

      Wow, really? There is scummy then there is this comment. This comment could not be dripping more malice and hate if it was dipped in Bibis bath water.

      First of all, who on earth are you to police people’s attire and religious freedom? Would her death be more regrettable if she was in a bikini? Yes, some women wear the Burqa, deal with it. This poor woman did too before her murder.

      Second of all, THERE IS NO CHECKPOINT PROCEDURE. There is no unified guidebook on how to cross checkpoints, everything is at the whim of the punk soldiers on the site itself. Sometimes they don’t care, sometimes they demand you strip down. It’s the law of the jungle and depending on how bored they are things change radically.

      Third of all, no, not everyone knows a few words of Hebrew, I can’t speak a word of it and I’ve lived under occupation all my life until I left for my Bachelor in Europe. Especially in the big cities, Hebrew is useless to us. Also, why SHOULD she know a few words of Hebrew, if you’re going to occupy us, then have the bloody decency to communicate with your occupied population in something they understand.

      Your conclusions are wrong because you’re an ignorant racist victim blamer who obviously doesn’t know anything about Palestinian society or Palestinians.

      I apologize to the mods for using an insult, but seriously, this person is despicable and beyond words.

      How can anyone with any conscience justify this? How can they try and make the dead victim of a shooting the perpetrator?

      There are SO MANY claims by IDF soldiers that they were almost stabbed at checkpoints. And as usual, all evidence is “classified”. I call bullshit on every single one. I hate to keep harping on the South Africa example, but this also happened on checkpoints there. Fabricating evidence is as easy as saying “classified”.

    • YoniFalic
      September 24, 2015, 6:38 pm

      Hadil was not wearing a burqa. She was wearing a niqab and fairly ordinary modest attire. I have certainly seen a good number of Palestinian women dressed like Hadil.

      This image shows the difference between a burqa and a niqab.

      http://cloudmind.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/3kWEDtW.jpg

      • gamal
        September 24, 2015, 7:55 pm

        “She was wearing a niqab”

        I give up as regards the Burqa thing, its the perjorative du jours for the way some Muslim women dress.

        Imagine you live in the middle east, kind of dusty place, if perhaps you lived in place with limited water, power, money perhaps a bit tight, even if you are relatively well off there is a horror of wastefulness due to the general privations of the population, one way you can keep you skin and clothes relatively dust free is to wear a loose all enveloping outer garment, it makes sense, keeps wind and heat at bay.

        Also imagine being an 17-18 year old girl having to pass through a check point at the mercy of Israeli young men and of course some women, covering up might be attractive,

        but what business is it of any bodies what Ms. Hashlamoun was wearing? in her own country, of course she who grew up under occupation had no idea how to pass through a check point, her first time perhaps?

        She was shot down like a dog and dragged off to die in the dust, dont you think that remarks about her clothes are disgusting, how is it relevant,

        by the way Richard Dawkins is making a fool of himself over that little Dallas clock boy, but a lot of westerners seem to harbour un-examined reprehensible attitudes, what you gonna do.

      • Boomer
        September 24, 2015, 8:10 pm

        re: “Hadil was not wearing a burqa. She was wearing a niqab and fairly ordinary modest attire.”

        Thanks for the clarification. I’ve not been to Palestine, but I’ve seen women wearing such attire in many cities in the U.S. Admittedly, it isn’t normal attire here: they may attract some attention; they may make some people uncomfortable. But as far as I know, no woman here has been shot for wearing it.

      • echinococcus
        September 24, 2015, 11:18 pm

        as far as I know, no woman here has been shot for wearing it

        yet. Our Zionization is proceeding apace.

      • zaid
        September 25, 2015, 12:39 am

        Boomer

        you might not believe it , but even some Jewish women wear it

        http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4703307,00.html

        but of course they wont be shot

    • RoHa
      September 24, 2015, 6:42 pm

      I don’t approve of burqas, but a death penalty for wearing one seems a bit excessive.

  13. turveyd
    September 24, 2015, 11:29 am

    I think this child has been identified as a Palestinian student. What are you suggesting?

    • diasp0ra
      September 24, 2015, 1:11 pm

      Since she’s wearing a Burqa (something that apparently no Palestinian ever does) and she didn’t know a few words of Hebrew (apparently something we all need to know) then the only logical conclusion is that she isn’t a Palestinian.

      She was an alien probably, standing at a checkpoint in the middle of the West Bank for god knows what reason. It’s the only explanation. Maybe they’ll try and package it as a Hezbollah spy operation.

      These spin doctors spin so much they could solve the world’s energy crisis in an afternoon, just hook them up to a turbine or two.

  14. YoniFalic
    September 24, 2015, 12:58 pm

    The knife looks like standard restaurant flatware that might be used by soldiers that eat at a checkpoint.

    In any case, it should have been fairly easy to check the knife for finger or palm prints to indicate whether Hadil had touched or held it.

    • a blah chick
      September 24, 2015, 3:06 pm

      “…it should have been fairly easy to check the knife for finger or palm prints to indicate whether Hadil had touched or held it.”

      That sounds like an investigation and the IDF doesn’t do investigations. That would imply that Dopey Do Right cannot be trusted to tell the truth about a shooting and we all know that IDF personnel never lie.

      A few years back at a court hearing, about a journalist who had been severely injured by a tear gas canister, one of the judges asked the IDF witness why there had been no investigation. he said that they did not conduct one because they knew they wouldn’t learn anything from it.

      That’s the mindset, there will be no justice for that poor girl.

      • Annie Robbins
        September 24, 2015, 3:25 pm

        and even if they did an investigation and found out she held no knife it wouldn’t make a difference because iof are allowed to slaughter palestinian people at checkpoints if they even sense they could be in danger or for any other reason. it won’t make any difference.

        i remember that young boy, he was foraging on his land like he did every afternoon during that season. they lay in wait for him like the hunters they are, under a bush with their faces all painted like a child’s game. they slaughtered the boy like an animal as he tried to cross into his land near the fence. a child.

    • RoHa
      September 24, 2015, 7:21 pm

      Not only will they find a perfect set of fingerprints on the knife, they’ll find her DNA as well.

      http://shareverything.com/2015/09/16/israeli-scientists-can-fabricate-dna-evidence/

  15. a blah chick
    September 24, 2015, 2:40 pm

    Have you all seen the latest? Apparently the security hoo has are smearing her with allegations that she was talking about “doing something” and had broken up with her boyfriend.

    What a bunch of slime balls.

  16. catalan
    September 24, 2015, 4:10 pm

    Why not do away with human moderation altogether. Instead, prepare a list of terms that should make a comment ineligible – curse words, racial epithets (goy, n word, etc), inflammatory terms (Nazi, fascist etc) – and program it to automatically screen. You can avoid certain combinations of terms too, like dirty this and dirty that.
    Benefits – you avoid the human bias and allow people to see all sides of an argument; you force all users to use nice language; you free up your staff to write stories.
    Seems all gain.

    • John O
      September 24, 2015, 5:04 pm

      Great idea, except for the fact that a human would have to write the program.

      • echinococcus
        September 24, 2015, 7:06 pm

        But then, we would miss a lot of news and references about a very significant part of Spain as a result of automatic censorship. Not a good idea.

    • amigo
      September 24, 2015, 5:05 pm

      I see , you want us to use nice names to describe murdering zionist idfers and their war criminal leaders.What would you suggest??.Or how should we describe fanatical illegal squatters burning babies to death.Or what nice term would you use to describe the theft of Palestinian land.

      Nice try Catalan.Best of luck with your attempts to purify Israel,s crimes.

    • Annie Robbins
      September 24, 2015, 6:09 pm

      sure catalan, why don’t you get the oppressive apartheid forces to stop slaughtering people and be nice and then we can use nice words to talk about them. it’s human nature when horrible things happen to express yourself. besides, why would anyone want to “avoid the human bias” when innocent people are getting brutally murdered by a military force. any normal person is going to have a bias against that. why would anyone want to force people to use nice language under those circumstances.

      everyone has personal bias anyway. i’m just over prioritizing nazis as the end all end all evil in this world. it’s so yesteryear – so last century. i’m holocausted out so to speak. i get enough of nazis in hollywood. i think we should move on. besides, nazis didn’t operate a laboratory for cruelty to humans for decades – taking place in ghetto sized cement cages w/humans as lab rats testing modern weaponry on them for their personal profit so they could sell them as field tested a slow motion drawn out genocide the whole world can watched year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year now did they?

      it takes a real special kind of society to keep that up year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year now doesn’t it? and all their brain washed minions parroting the hasbrat talking points of their masters over the internet for the world to witness, all that’s going down in history too. their big time billionaires and their big time lying think tanks designing lying words and catch phrases for the little people like — you know who.

      the nazis? pf! they’ll slide into the dustbin of history like americas genocide of native americans did – and the hypocritical museums cropping up all across the globe will be constant reminders how the victims justified the 21st century battle going on right before our eyes. now won’t that be the lesson for the kids! the first ongoing human laboratory that can be witnessed thru modern technology in (almost) real time. make no mistake, this is what’s going down in history now zionism (state sponsored terrorism) vs palestine (code for ‘mankind’). and future generations, ultimately, will be who’s to decide what’s worse – cumulatively — and who’s worse –cumulatively — and what’s the greatest danger for the future of humanity in our new world order surveillance society with our police all decked out for ‘domestic terrorism’ ala israel/zionist style. having fun yet? yeah, it’s dirty dirty. and you’re protecting the bad guys. so why on earth would we want ‘no bias’ around here?

      tag you’re it.

      • catalan
        September 24, 2015, 6:41 pm

        I just suggested machine moderation to eliminate some crazy comments. It would obviously be up to you guys to decide if there are any terms you wish to exclude.
        I don’t have a problem with any comments personally; so I would be happy without any moderation. Let everyone express their opinion;
        Or are you afraid of that? Why?

      • inbound39
        September 25, 2015, 7:39 am

        If I could give you a standing applause here Annie I would….Thoroughly commendable post….Keep speaking the truth!

      • bintbiba
        September 25, 2015, 10:34 am

        olé olé annie !!

  17. Sulphurdunn
    September 24, 2015, 6:40 pm

    Raise your hand if you ever heard of a woman who brought a knife to a gunfight. Oh, that’s right. I forgot. All Palestinians are hell bent on committing suicide, and all Israelis are terrified of them, especially the heavily armed soldiers of the occupation army.

  18. a blah chick
    September 24, 2015, 9:21 pm

    Think people.

    IF the poor dead girl was plotting some attack why didn’t the shin bet arrest her? Good God, they have put Arab dudes in jail for Facebook postings.

    Makes you wonder what all the electronic surveillance is for.

  19. mcohen.
    September 25, 2015, 2:34 am

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-25/is-suicide-bomber-dressed-as-a-woman-kills-10-at-yemen-mosque/6803628

    on second thoughts there is a real danger that this episode was a warning…..a serious warning that next time it will be a suicide bomber.

    if i had been the soldier i certainly would not have been standing that close.having said that it is quite possible she was acting alone.

    • mcohen.
      September 25, 2015, 6:56 am

      What’s nice about it.another legacy of ww2

      • talknic
        September 25, 2015, 9:54 am

        @ mcohen.

        “What’s nice about it”

        For you

        Sarcasm on >> Nice stuff link to smh.com.au << Sarcasm off

        “another legacy of ww2”

        Uh? Please elucidate

      • Mooser
        September 25, 2015, 10:50 am

        “Uh? Please elucidate”

        Between the back seat and the classroom, “mcohen” never learned how to write a complete sentence. Besides, completing a sentence and saying something, instead of insinuating, takes a little bit of courage.

    • Annie Robbins
      September 25, 2015, 8:25 am

      wow “i’m jewish from israel, and you’re f’ing nothing”. i wish they showed even more of that video.

  20. Kay24
    September 25, 2015, 7:28 am

    This is a vicious cycle. The zionists refuse to set the Palestinians free and stop building illegal settlements, and it results in rockets and stones being thrown. Now they have made harsher sentences for stone throwing (most probably not applicable for their own people), and the zionists show they are a law unto themselves, with absolutely no regard for human rights, compassion for non Jewish children, nor international laws. A rogue state.

    “Israel’s Security Cabinet Sets 4-year Minimum Sentence for Stone-throwers
    Cabinet also clarifies rules of engagement, which now allow police to open fire when lives of officers or civilians are at risk, Netanyahu says.”
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.677421

  21. Abu Malia
    September 25, 2015, 11:00 am

    annie I feel you! I can understand how it can pollute your mood to read hour in and hour out (minute by minute?) comments with the Nazi analogy – right you are, as well, about Hollywood overdoing the Nazi thing. Having grown up on watching WW2 movies, I am totally done with them – it is over, leave the Germans alone I say.
    However, I do agree with the Nazi analogy – if the “shoe fits” and all that. Your cry for understanding from commenters who utilize (rightly imo) this Nazi comparison reminds me of that old vulgar joke:
    Gynecologist comes home after a particularly long day at work, he is met at the door by his wife wearing a lingerie, clearly in the mood for romance. He says wearily, “honey, if i see one more v#@&na today I’m going to lose it”.

    Vulgar jokes aside, the one thing that gives me hope, hope for the Palestinians in particular and for the people of the Middle East (as well as Americans who’s resources are been used in furtherance of the mother of all injustices today) in general is the inherent weakness of Zionism.
    This whole cruel, inhumane, anachronistic and ultimately self defeating project is all based on American underwriting. I understand the awesome depth and breath of Zionist power – the seemingly total penetration of every American institution of any consequence but, nevertheless, if this whole thing is dependent on misinforming Dick and Jane their days are numbered.
    It will be within my life time when a politician will run on anti Aipac ticket then its lights out for this heinous project in Palestine. History’s dustbin awaits and it does have room for this evil Europian ideology.

    I weep for this young lady – RIP. There are more of us in this world who are saddened by this brutal murder than those who do rejoice over this untimely death. It makes me cringe to read comments from people who are attempting to shift the blame to the victim – they’ve clearly lost their humanity and should be shunned by those of us who value human life regardless of who it belongs to.

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