Long Island synagogue marks High Holidays with thanks to Israeli soldiers in Gaza war

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This flyer was handed out today at Temple Israel in Great Neck, Long Island. It is more evidence, if any is needed, of the moral deterioration of mainstream American Jewish institutions: They don’t even think twice about passing out militarist propaganda to worshipers at a High Holiday service.

The flyer thanks Israeli soldiers for carrying out Operation Protective Edge a year ago. By any objective measure, this “operation” was a veritable massacre; it killed 2200 Palestinians, most of them civilians, including 500 children. In many cases, entire families were wiped out– 89 of them. Seventy-two Israelis also died during the war, all but a handful soldiers.

Temple Israel ought to know how disgusting this kind of appeal is to Jews who are cognizant of and care about Israel’s human rights violations. I’m aware that Temple Israel says on its website that one of its missions is to promote and support Israel, as is the case with all mainstream conservative synagogues. But it really ought to hear and care about  the voices of Jews who say, Just don’t go there, don’t bother with Israel. Give us your service. You’re not supposed to be a political organization.

This is pure conflation of Judaism and Zionism. And it leaves no space for me, or like-minded Jews, who would like to participate in our religion without engaging in odious moral compromises. The last time I attended a service at Temple Israel was nine years ago, I’ve stayed away because I found its politics to be problematic, (a Rabbi wished us all a happy new year and wished suffering on all “enemies” of Israel), apparently nothing much has changed.

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  1. Les
    September 15, 2015, 4:16 pm

    Zionist Jews have converted most synagogues from houses of worship to US bases of Israel’s fifth column. Does anyone care?

    • Steve Grover
      September 15, 2015, 8:42 pm

      Les the Israel hater sez:
      “Zionist Jews have converted most synagogues from houses of worship to US bases of Israel’s fifth column. Does anyone care?”
      Sorry to burst your Israel hating bubble, but my country the U.S.A. is not at war with Israel and has a great relationship with Israel. So actually, the Israel haters could be considered the fifth column.

      • traintosiberia
        September 15, 2015, 11:10 pm

        Brainwashing is so complete and so thorough that it is now required of every American to repeat this garbage washing to American shore as some kind of miracle .
        More zAmericans know the better it is how disingenuous is the argument that Israel is not at war with America despite the fact American soldiers and money both are sacrificed periodically for the intransigence and entitlements of Israel despite the fact that much better more peaceful productive alternative exist.

      • Marnie
        September 16, 2015, 6:46 am

        You are wrong to call Les an Israel hater. It made me laugh, hope it provided Les with chuckles. If you are an American and live in the USA, you should be concerned about allegience to foreign governments. I’m pretty sure you’d have a stroke (or at least a TIA) if mosques all over the USA were propagandizing their members to financially support whatever country and make demands of their congresspeople, their president (which comes down to you and your fellow taxpayers) to support financially the warriers and war machine of some country other than the USA. That would flip your kippah and get your tallit in a twist.

      • Marnie
        September 16, 2015, 6:53 am

        “Les the Israel hater sez”:

        BTW, Les didn’t say he hated Israel, did he? Why are you lying about him?

      • talknic
        September 16, 2015, 9:02 am

        It’s one of those shared values …. The Israeli State flag in US synagogues, the uh … US flag in US churches

        ——–
        Marnie “Les didn’t say he hated Israel, did he?

        To apologists for Israel accusations are evidence enough

      • eljay
        September 16, 2015, 9:17 am

        || Steve Grover: Sorry to burst your Israel hating bubble, but my country the U.S.A. is not at war with Israel and has a great relationship with Israel. So actually, the Israel haters could be considered the fifth column. ||

        So…people who hate Israel are actually covertly working for Israel. Interesting.

        You Zio-supremacists really do have a hard time with words and their actual definitions…

      • Kay24
        September 16, 2015, 9:38 am

        Many polls around the world show that Israel is one of the MOST disliked nations in the world.
        It is the doing of Israel’s politicians, and the zionists policies, that result in such sentiment.

        It is unfair to call someone, hasbara style, an Israeli hater. Most commenters here definitely do not agree with what Israel does, the violence against civilians, the occupation, or the illegal settlements. Neither Israel nor it’s apologists should expect Israel to be loved , nor accepted, after committing such abominable crimes against humanity. If Israel wants to be loved, it has to change it’s ways, the world will not. There is also no point trying to play the victim, when the world knows exactly who the real victims are.

      • RobertHenryEller
        September 16, 2015, 9:55 am

        Mr. Grover: You support Zionist policies that are leading to the self-destruction of Israel, the pollution of Judaism, and the endangering of Jews everywhere.

        So, who is the Israel hater? Who is the anti-Semite?

        From where I stand, you’re the Israel hater, Mr. Grover. You’re the anti-Semite, Mr. Grover.

        And since you don’t obey the commandments against lying, stealing and murdering, and you don’t practice the Golden Rule (Which you don’t, Mr. Grover, because you support Zionism as practiced.), I don’t even know how you think you’re a Jew.

        I wouldn’t call you a Jew, Mr. Grover. I’d call you something else.

      • pjdude
        September 16, 2015, 10:50 am

        really cause i’m an american and israel goes out of its way to harm the US

      • Les
        September 16, 2015, 11:37 am

        Marnie,

        A few years ago Saudi Arabia attempted to spread Wahabism in the US by building American mosques. That effort came to an abrupt end when the Saudis were informed that this was the US where only members of the mosque could decide what was preached there.

      • K Renner
        September 16, 2015, 6:17 pm

        ” Les the Israel hater sez”

        You know you’re a loser who fails on principle when your main go-to argument is “you hate Israel and Jews for no reason! Anti-Semitism!”

        ” Sorry to burst your Israel hating bubble, but my country the U.S.A. is not at war with Israel and has a great relationship with Israel.”

        More childish whining regarding “hate” while you stand with people who screech about “niggers” and “Arab subhumans” and “Palestinian animals”.

        Who are these people? The very worst of the pro-Israel camp, a group to which you proudly belong.

        No moral standing whatsoever, of course. But you’re known for being extremely blinkered when it comes to that sort of thing.

        The “special relationship” is, in the context of Israel-Palestine-Lebanon, America’s greatest shame.

        The fact that there are people who make it their life’s work to lionize whatever Israel does and to demonize and dehumanize the Palestinian and Lebanese victims of these Israeli actions, who are actually allowed a chance to stand up and spew their vile poison, is absolutely repulsive.

        ” So actually, the Israel haters could be considered the fifth column.”

        Delusion, on principle. Just part of the whinging, childish foot-stamping that is characteristic of people such as yourself.

      • talknic
        September 17, 2015, 2:01 am

        @ RobertHenryEller “I wouldn’t call you a Jew, Mr. Grover. I’d call you something else”

        Uh ? Jews can learn to be be rrrsholes just like any other person can learn to be an rrrshole.

        Jew by birth … rrrrsoul by Zionist indoctrination

    • Kay24
      September 16, 2015, 11:32 am

      Israel is considered one of the biggest threats to US intelligence, does anyone care? Not even Steve Grover the good Israeli, I mean American:

      “Israel was singled out in 2007 as a top espionage threat against the U.S. government, including its intelligence services, in a newly published National Security Agency (NSA) document obtained by fugitive leaker Edward Snowden, according to a news report Monday.

      In this new document, Israel was identified by the NSA as a security threat in several areas, including “the threat of development of weapons of mass destruction” and “delivery methods (particularly ballistic and nuclear-capable cruise missiles).” The NSA also flagged Israel’s “WMD and missile proliferation activities” and “cruise missiles” as threats.

      In a section of the document headed “Foreign Intelligence, Counterintelligence; Denial & Deception Activities: Countering Foreign Intelligence Threats,” Israel was listed as a leading perpetrator of “espionage/intelligence collection operations and manipulation/influence operations…against U.S. government, military, science & technology and Intelligence Community” organs.

      The term “manipulation/influence operations” refers to covert attempts by Israel to sway U.S. public opinion in its favor. In this, Israel has dubious company, according to the NSA: Other leading threats were listed as China, Russia, Cuba, Iran, Pakistan, North Korea, France, Venezuela and South Korea.”

      Newsweek article.

      Considering the bombing of the USS Liberty, and Israel selling our weapons to China, some of the other wonderful acts of “kindness” this country has done to the hands that feed it, if there are Americans that hate Israel for these transgressions against us, it is understandable.

      • RockyMissouri
        September 16, 2015, 1:08 pm

        Thank you, Kay24 for an AWESOME, and respectful comment.

      • piotr
        September 16, 2015, 5:24 pm

        A threat to US intelligence? If the well being of the “several states” hinged on the intelligence services, we would be in a very bad shape indeed. The biggest issue I see there is that those agencies are responsible for producing disinformation and the actual information, but the mechanisms to separate the two were irretrievably disabled. This is how the most secret documents are marked:

        WARNING! This page contains true information. You cannot copy it, burn before reading. Would you leak the content of this page, you will be chased to the other end of the world and your kin and your seed will be cursed for seven generations. Your women will be barren, your crops will wither. Your name will be erased from any paper, stone, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, search engines will be forbidden to reported it ….

    • Mooser
      September 16, 2015, 2:25 pm

      Well, the article doesn’t make clear (at least to me, but I’m not too fast on the up-take.) if the flyer was distributed under the auspices of the Temple (I don’t see the Temple’s name on the flyer, but my vision is terrible) or just something somebody brought in on their own, or something somebody showed the Rabbi and said: “You know me, right? Okay, I’m giving out these flyers at the service, okay? Yeah, I thought so. Thanks Rebbe”

  2. a blah chick
    September 15, 2015, 4:53 pm

    Since the IDF gets billions from their government and the US why would they need money from John and Mary? Because it’s a way for them to feel that they are part of SOMETHING BIGGER THAN THEMSELVES.

    Meanwhile IDF soldiers loot from Palestinians or go AWOL because the pay in the army is so bad. Priorities.

  3. pabelmont
    September 15, 2015, 5:05 pm

    I’ve heard — anyone know? — that synagogues depend on big contributions and get them from very, very rich members. These members frequently turn out to be fiercely pro-Israel and so the rabbis and others know that they must toe the pro-Israel (or pro-hard-line-Israel) line. And so they do. And the present report is no surprise.

    They don’t care what the membership wants — and propaganda does a good job of keeping the membership “in line” as well — any more than the USA’s government cares what the people want on any question of interest to the big money oligarchs. And often the American people think they want what the oligarchs want — read Chomsky on “Manufacturing Consent”. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent

    Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media is a 1988 non-fiction book co-written by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky, wherein the authors argue that the mass media of the United States “are effective and powerful ideological institutions that carry out a system-supportive propaganda function by reliance on market forces, internalized assumptions, and self-censorship, and without overt coercion”.

    The title derives from the phrase “the manufacture of consent,” employed by essayist–editor Walter Lippmann (1889–1974) in his book Public Opinion (1922). Chomsky has said that Australian social psychologist Alex Carey, to whom the book was dedicated, was in large part the impetus of his and Herman’s work. The book introduced the propaganda model of the media. A film, Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media, was later released based on the book.

    Does this sound like a model of how synagogues and other Jewish institutions are run?

    The remaining question is this: Why do the very, very rich Jews who run things think that way? To what extent are they merely acting like herd animals, following the pack and afraid to stick out like a sore thumb by questioning or opposing this pro-hard-line-Israel party line? I know, I know, a lot of their best friends are hard-line-Zionists, how could they oppose them?

    • Mooser
      September 15, 2015, 5:45 pm

      “Does this sound like a model of how synagogues and other Jewish institutions are run?”

      Well, when we consider (per MJ Roseberg) that only about 18% of American Jews are affiliated with any Jewish organizations, and out of that 18% maybe (per Beinart) 10%-15% are Orthodox/ conservative Conservative, does it matter? We are talking about maybe 110,000 people.

      Of the other 82% Rosenberg says “We have no way of even knowing who they are”

      • Steve Grover
        September 15, 2015, 6:23 pm

        Geez Mooser on how many threads can you post the same old crap?
        BTW Yasher Koach to Temple Israel in Great Neck, my Synagogue and the vast majority of Synagogues for supporting FIDF, JNF, Israel Bonds and the local Jewish Federations.

      • pabelmont
        September 15, 2015, 6:29 pm

        Good points. How to illuminate with statistics! But, still, people are always complaining about the synagogues being fully in the Ziocamp. Have I offered an explanation? And what do polls tell us about unaffiliated self-identifyinjg “Jews”?

      • Keith
        September 15, 2015, 6:31 pm

        MOOSER- “Well, when we consider (per MJ Roseberg) that only about 18% of American Jews are affiliated with any Jewish organizations….”

        Is this the same M J Rosenberg who commented on Mondoweiss that “I could, if I wanted to, find hundreds if not thousands of anti-Semitic statements here.” Then, when challenged, failed to provide even one example? http://mondoweiss.net/2013/04/hiroshima-epiphany#comment-554625

        Are you telling me that 82% of American Jews never set foot inside a synogogue? Got a link for M J’s source for these startling numbers?

      • Mooser
        September 15, 2015, 7:13 pm

        “Are you telling me that 82% of American Jews never set foot inside a synogogue? Got a link for M J’s source for these startling numbers?”

        No, I don’t have a source, as I say, I was quoting MJ Rosenberg from the Nation Sept. 2015 Here’s the full quote:

        “In fact, whenever it testifies on Capitol Hill, (AIPAC) it says it is speaking for the entire organized community. The truth, however, is that 82 percent of American Jews belong to no Jewish organizations at all, meaning not only that there is no organization that speaks for them, but that no organization even knows exactly who they are.”

        It feels right to me, but I would think that MJ Rosenberg keeps up on these things through surveys and stuff, since it is his area of interest. Why would he not give the best estimate he has on the subject?
        Or is there some affiliation which is going unnoticed?

        “source for these startling numbers?”

        Startling? What numbers are you comparing them to from which they are a “startling” difference? And uh, what did you think the numbers are?

      • Mooser
        September 15, 2015, 7:20 pm

        “But, still, people are always complaining about the synagogues being fully in the Ziocamp.”

        Well, there’s no denying that, the evidence is right in front of our faces for a long time.

      • Mooser
        September 15, 2015, 7:35 pm

        “Are you telling me that 82% of American Jews never set foot inside a synogogue?”

        They may attend on High Holy Days, they may not, or to please a parent, especially if old. Their are Bar and Bat Mitzvahs and a wedding or two, maybe even your own, stuff like that.

      • Mooser
        September 15, 2015, 7:43 pm

        “Then, when challenged, failed to provide even one example?”

        Well, you got a point there, Keith.
        I’ll be pretty disappointed if he just pulled it out of his butt, and the Nation shoved it into print.

        What do you think of Beinart’s contention that out of the 18%, maybe 10-15% of that number are Orthodox/ hardcore Conservative?

      • Mooser
        September 15, 2015, 8:42 pm

        “Geez Mooser on how many threads can you post the same old crap?”

        Gosh, “Steve”, why do those numbers bug you? Got some others?
        At any rate, “Steve” there is one thing that is undeniable: 100% of the Jews that say they support Zionism say they support Zionism. No one can take that away from you.

        And always remember Steve, the fewer Zionist Jews, the more Zionism for you! Hey, if they don’t want it, you can have their share.

      • Mooser
        September 15, 2015, 8:52 pm

        “What do you think of Beinart’s contention that out of the 18%, maybe 10-15% of that number are Orthodox/ hardcore Conservative? “

        Here is the source for the Beinart estimate:Haaretz: The American Jewish Divide Is About Much More Than Iran

      • yonah fredman
        September 15, 2015, 10:37 pm

        Here are some numbers from the Pew poll released October 2013: Synagogue affiliation:
        http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/10/jewish-american-full-report-for-web.pdf

        Roughly four-in-ten U.S. Jewish adults (39%) say they live in a household where at
        least one person is a member of a synagogue. This includes 31% of Jewish adults (39%
        of Jews by religion and 4% of Jews of no religion) who say they personally belong to a
        synagogue, temple or other congregation.

        Among Jews who say they are synagogue members, 39% identify with Reform
        Judaism, 29% with Conservative Judaism, 22% with Orthodox Judaism, 4% with another
        denominational movement and 6% with no denomination.

        Roughly one-third of Jews (31%) say they belong to a synagogue, and nearly one-in-five (18%)
        say they belong to other kinds of Jewish organizations.

        Synagogue membership is nearly 10 times more common among Jews by religion than
        among Jews of no religion (39% vs. 4%), and membership in other Jewish organizations is
        almost six times more common among Jews by religion than Jews of no religion (22% vs. 4%).

        Almost six-in-ten Jews married to a Jewish spouse (59%) say they belong to a synagogue, roughly four times the rate seen among Jews in mixed marriages (14%). And whereas one-third of Jews who are married to a Jewish spouse say they belong to a Jewish organization other than a synagogue, just 6% of those married to a non-Jew say the same.

        Nearly one-in-four U.S. Jewish adults say they attend Jewish religious services at a synagogue or other place of worship at least once a week (11%) or once or twice a month (12%). Roughly one-third of Jews (35%) say they attend religious services a few times a year, such as for the High Holidays (including Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur). And four-in-ten say they seldom (19%) or never (22%) attend Jewish religious services. Attendance at Jewish
        religious services is much more common among Jews by religion than among Jews of no
        religion, half of whom say they never attend religious services (52%).

      • RoHa
        September 16, 2015, 12:36 am

        “The truth, however, is that 82 percent of American Jews belong to no Jewish organizations at all, meaning not only that there is no organization that speaks for them, but that no organization even knows exactly who they are.”

        How does he know they exist?

      • Keith
        September 16, 2015, 1:19 am

        MOOSER- “Startling? What numbers are you comparing them to from which they are a “startling” difference?”

        Based upon your and M J’s numbers, Jews are the least organized ethnic group around. Curious, how all of those philo-Semitic members of congress couldn’t stop giving Netanyahu all of those standing ovations. No organization there! No power there! Certainly nothing we could discuss without you taking umbrage! No tribal solidarity for the Moose! Why, even to suggest such a thing is Jew hobbyism ,most vile!

      • Keith
        September 16, 2015, 1:21 am

        MOOSER- “It feels right to me.”

        Does his contention that he could find “hundreds if not thousands of anti-Semitic statements” on Mondoweiss also feel right to you?

      • eGuard
        September 16, 2015, 5:54 am

        per Keith, above: M J Rosenberg who commented on Mondoweiss that “I could, if I wanted to, find hundreds if not thousands of anti-Semitic statements here.

        This MJR is revered on this site as a liberal Zionist, but at the end of the day he’ll throw around smears of anti-Semitism around by the dozen. And never, never a proof or backup. I’d swap him for Alison Weir. You know, not about who you hang around with, but about what you do yourself.

      • Mooser
        September 16, 2015, 11:36 am

        “Based upon your and M J’s numbers, Jews are the least organized ethnic group around.”

        Now, I don’t know if it’s 81% or 84% so let’s just say only about 20% of Jews are hooked up with organized Jewish activities (Not just the odd visit to Temple for a Bar Mitzvah by invitation)
        That very few and fewer all the time of the people (about a fifth) of those who identify as Jewish involve themselves in Jewish activities has been known for years in the US, oh, about a hundred or so. And out-marriage. MJ isn’t the first to note it.
        Uh, isn’t it about the same with Gentiles?

        And BTW, not only very disorganized, Keith, you should get a load of the factionalization!

        (And accusations of “Jew hobbyist” come from tokyobk, not me. I think the term is stupid. )

      • Froggy
        September 16, 2015, 2:17 pm

        Ok, Mooser. What the hell is a ‘Jew hobbyist’?

        The term has been bandied about on MW, and I thought I’d suss it out over time… but, erm… no such luck.

      • echinococcus
        September 16, 2015, 11:39 am

        Keith,

        That Rosenberg can of course find millions of antisemitic statements in a simple “good morning”. Nothing to that, it’s the job of all Zionist bastards, and even of some so-called antizionists.

      • Mooser
        September 16, 2015, 11:51 am

        Does his contention that he could find “hundreds if not thousands of anti-Semitic statements” on Mondoweiss also feel right to you?”

        ROTFLMSJAO! Does his contention that he (MJ Rosenberg) could find“hundreds if not thousands of anti-Semitic statements” on Mondoweiss? I wouldn’t doubt that at all! I bet he could find as many or as few as he wanted to. He said it, not me.

        Look, the fact that only about 20% (BTW, that’s about what Yonah’s “they say Pew” poll adds up to) have any contact with the Jewish religion and organized Jewish activities is not original with MJ Rosenberg. And that Judaism is highly factionalized is hardly a secret.

        Did you know the Trefa Banquet was catered by a Jewish caterer, who was instructed to, and thought he did, deliver a Kosher meal?

      • Mooser
        September 16, 2015, 12:09 pm

        “How does he know they exist?”

        Good question, RoHa. Maybe they don’t exist, except as an amorphous “American Jews” or ‘the American Jewish community’ or any formulation. Maybe there aren’t 6M Jews in the US, maybe there are only about 1,010,000 in any practical sense. Talk about punching above your weight!

      • Mooser
        September 16, 2015, 2:14 pm

        Keith, get a clue; What brought “Grover” here? What makes Yonah dump all that pipul?
        Not the idea that Jews are going to Temples on High Holy Days and being encouraged to support war crimes. That doesn’t bother them in the least.
        But the idea that most, maybe four-fiths, of American Jews have only the most minimal contact with their religion? And an even smaller fraction of that fraction are Orthodox/Conservative? And that they are not in Temple getting Rabbinical encouragement to support war crimes?
        They were here in a flash. They don’t like that idea!

      • Mooser
        September 16, 2015, 3:26 pm

        “Ok, Mooser. What the hell is a ‘Jew hobbyist’? “

        Damned if I know. The term was introduced by commenter “tokyobk” to try and label something. I don’t have any idea.

      • Froggy
        September 16, 2015, 4:44 pm

        Still confused.

      • echinococcus
        September 16, 2015, 3:53 pm

        Mooser,

        The trefa banquet was catered to in a time when nobody gave a damn. Keeping kosher seemed to be, like, reserved to the three blind mice who played learned Rebbe and possibly to the Bessarabian and Polish plains. The typical “signature” dishes of Jewish cooking in Constantinople included pilaf with mussels and shrimp in plum sauce well into the sixties
        (nineteen-) and kosher-keeping guys used to be mocked as “Lechlí” (Ashkenaze.) It’s only after the Zionits, bless their eyes, went at it hammer and tongs that the “plain people” started feeling unsure of being Jewish.

      • Keith
        September 16, 2015, 5:02 pm

        FROGGY- “What the hell is a ‘Jew hobbyist’?”

        A label created by Tokyobk. You may want to go to his commenter profile and enter “Jew hobbyist” in the search function to get the definition in the master’s own words.

      • Froggy
        September 16, 2015, 7:17 pm

        Keith :

        I find Jew-hobby a useful term because it can describe someone who likes to discuss Jewish power topics without lobbing the anti-Semitism accusation. A Jew hobbyist may or may not be an anti-Semite. This is again an effort to be more careful, not less.

        OIC…. It’s a Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card for zionistista theives, murderers, and liars. How clever!

        It seems that the late Israeli Sephardic leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef spoke for many zionistas when he said :

        “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel.”

        “Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat,” he said to some laughter.

        Yosef, the spiritual leader of the Shas Party and the former chief Sephardi rabbi of Israel, also said that the lives of non-Jews are protected in order to prevent financial loss to Jews.

        “With gentiles, it will be like any person: They need to die, but God will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant. That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”

        http://www.jta.org/2010/10/18/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/sephardi-leader-yosef-non-jews-exist-to-serve-jews

        It would appear that we goyim are expected to give our unquestioning support, financial, political, even the lives of our children, to benefit the NMR.

        Jew hobbyists? Non ! We are simply looking after our own and doing whatever we can for the victims of both Jewish and non-Jewish oppressors. This is no hobby. The zionistas and other Jewish extremists are in for a surprise.

      • Marnie
        September 16, 2015, 6:40 am

        Thanks for the link –

      • Froggy
        September 16, 2015, 9:59 am

        This a better link as it has the entire film, all 2 hr and 47 sec of it.

    • JWalters
      September 15, 2015, 7:53 pm

      Here’s a Mondoweiss article on Big Jewish Money controlling America’s local rabbis, “Rabbis want to criticize Israel but fear donors (and ‘NYT’ buries the news)”
      http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/rabbis-criticize-donors

      As to the motives of “the very, very rich Jews”, historically it seems the very, very rich have mainly been motivated by protecting their wealth and accumulating more. Like Henry VIII, they don’t give a sh*t about religion and merely use it to manipulate others.

      Ordinary Jews would serve themselves best by divesting themselves from such predators.

    • Keith
      September 16, 2015, 1:18 am

      Curious, I couldn’t delete this comment which was misplaced and which I duplicated in the correct location

    • Mooser
      September 16, 2015, 11:41 am

      “I’ve heard — anyone know? — that synagogues depend on big contributions and get them from very, very rich members.”

      Are their different regs. and laws for Jewish Temples than there are for Christian Churches? I imagine they are pretty much financed the same way. Or variety of ways.

      I don’t know of any central fund, nor can I see Orthodox Temples raising funds for Reform Temples, so everybody gots to get their own.
      The institutions required to most probably post financial statements as required under 503C.

    • Mooser
      September 16, 2015, 4:03 pm

      Ah, this could be good! This is where MJ Rosebergs 82% figure comes from. Are we all reading from the same page in the hymnbook? Are we sitting in the same Pew?

  4. Kathleen
    September 15, 2015, 5:14 pm

    Very ill individuals. Clinically ill

    • K Renner
      September 16, 2015, 6:27 pm

      Of course. It’s in the same vein of “there are no Palestinians” or “we treat the Palestinians better then they treat themselves (in the context of last year’s assault on the Gaza Strip) so no one can criticize Israel and Zionism!”

      See also the accusations of “Palestinians are child killers” and the perpetual martyrization of a handful of Israeli minors killed over a few decades– while the reality shows that in the context of the situation in Israel-Palestine, it’s Israel and Israelis who’ve killed or caused the deaths of far more children, and in a very short time frame by comparison.

      http://www.countthekids.org/

      And when you link something like that to people like that, of course the accusations start flying about “lies” and “blood libel” and how anyone who reports on that sort of thing is “Hitler” or wants another holocaust.

      So clinically ill doesn’t even scratch the surface, especially when we are to talk about morals or a sense of right and wrong. There are other examples of people doing the same thing– some Americans who say that all children killed in the Iraq war “had it coming” or had themselves to blame only, or some Russians (Russo-Serbian chauvinists) who blame Chechen or Afghan or Bosnian or Croatian or Kosovar kids for their own deaths in all of those respective conflicts– but these people both generally are treated, societally, as sick or insane or severely deviated moral perverts.

      The same has to be done with those pro-Israel types, and to a certain extent it is becoming more of a phenomena. They daren’t say things like that outside of their rabidly pro-Israel sycophantic propaganda circles without fear of any negative reaction, at any rate.

  5. geofgray
    September 15, 2015, 5:46 pm

    Don’t feel bad. I’m a Catholic. The Church I attend is like a combo VFW Hall and place of worship. A couple of times a month we sing patriotic songs; in the back of the Church is a wall festooned with pictures of “our heroes,” how many of them drone operators, I don’t know. When I wrote to the Bishop and said I didn’t think conflating patriotism and religion was a good thing, I got a nastygram from the Bishop’s #2.

    • JWalters
      September 15, 2015, 7:58 pm

      Great story!

    • Boo
      September 18, 2015, 10:18 am

      This goes to show that not all churches handle this the same way. I’m a member of a progressive and inclusive congregation, a “union church” (under two polities, Presbyterian and UCC) — in which, however, there are still a fair number of PEPs.

      A few years ago one of our more old-school members donated money specifically to purchase “auditorium-stage” type flags of both denominations and the US. We used the money, but the church council voted specifically not to put them in the church sanctuary, but in the meeting hall instead.

      We also don’t allow dissemination of political materials — certainly not along with other church-related materials such as the Sunday worship program. We deal with those issues via issue-related task groups such as our Israel-Palestine Network group. We take the distinction between Caesar and God very seriously.

  6. a blah chick
    September 15, 2015, 7:09 pm

    Is it just a coincidence that they highlighted a unit commanded by a Druze officer?

  7. Froggy
    September 15, 2015, 7:35 pm

    Do they give the same level of support to American forces, American veterans, and their families?

    These people are disloyal Americans.

  8. Mooser
    September 15, 2015, 7:56 pm

    “But it really ought to hear the voice of Jews who say, Just don’t go there, don’t bother with Israel. Give us your service. You’re not supposed to be a political organization.”

    (Sorry about the number of comments above)

    I think there’s a big prize out there for somebody who wants to do that.

  9. JLewisDickerson
    September 15, 2015, 10:24 pm

    RE: “Long Island synagogue marks High Holidays with thanks to Israeli soldiers in Gaza war”

    SPEAKING OF TEMPLE ISRAEL IN GREAT NECK, RECALL:
    “Hate Speech Has No Place in a Synagogue”
    Tue, 04/09/2013
    By Rabbi Michael White And Rabbi Jerome Davidson
    Special To The Jewish Week

    [EXCERPT] We write as rabbis devoted both to our faith community and to human rights for all peoples. We were disheartened to learn that the Great Neck Synagogue has invited Pamela Geller to speak on April 14. Geller has a long track record of hateful and virulently anti-Muslim views that seek to divide American Muslims and Jews, rather than unite them.

    Both the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti-Defamation League have designated Geller’s “Stop Islamization of America” organization as a hate group. As was recently reported in the Jewish Week, Etzion Neuer, director of community service and policy for the ADL’s New York region, said that Geller “under the guise of fighting radical Islam, absolutely demonizes an entire religion. In directing her rhetoric at the entire Islamic faith, she fuels anti-Islamic bigotry. Geller doesn’t do us any favors,” he continued. “She muddies the waters because she hands the platform to the extremists in our midst. Instead of thoughtful, fact-based dialogue on the issues, we get incendiary rhetoric and xenophobia.” . . .

    SOURCE – http://www.thejewishweek.com/editorial-opinion/opinion/hate-speech-has-no-place-synagogue

    P.S. Geller’s talk was ultimately cancelled, if I recall correctly. – J.L.D.

  10. Jackdaw
    September 16, 2015, 1:09 am

    No mention in Scotty’s article of the ceasefire that Hamas refused to accept early on in the conflict, which identical ceasefire Hamas eventually accepted several weeks and hundreds of casualties later.

  11. Vera Gottlieb
    September 16, 2015, 11:38 am

    These people are NOT humane.

  12. eGuard
    September 16, 2015, 1:10 pm

    Why doesn’t Israel take care of its soldiers?

  13. yourstruly
    September 16, 2015, 1:29 pm

    I don’t know if any German religious body ever gave thanks to Hitler’s Waffen-SS troops for having quashed the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, but if such an occurrence did take place, it would be the WW II equivalent of the Long Island Synagogue’s marking the High Holidays with thanks to the Israeli soldiers in the Gaza war.

    • Froggy
      September 16, 2015, 2:01 pm

      At least any German religious organisation would have been praying for their own soldiers. These people in Great Neck pray for a foreign army.

      • yourstruly
        September 16, 2015, 10:16 pm

        Froggy,

        Yes, of course, praying for a foreign army. Need some help on that one. A relationship between two nations (er, one nation and an entity) that’s analogous to the U.S.-Israel axis? Any thoughts? I did consider substituting the Vatican for any German religious body but not sure a Long Island synagogue-Vatican comparison is appropriate.

      • Froggy
        September 17, 2015, 3:42 am

        -lol- I agree.

  14. piotr
    September 16, 2015, 5:54 pm

    Some of you are ignorant of basic moral principles. There is good and there is evil, there are innocent and there are the guilty. Guilty are those who do bad things, others are innocent. Bad things are those who are done by bad people, and good things are those that are done by the good one, especially if it makes the bad ones suffer.

    Thus no one is more innocent that our soldiers. Our soldiers are the best, so every thing what they do should be lauded. Anyone attacking our soldiers is evil, anyone thinking about attacking our soldiers is evil, any one who can grow up to think about attacking our soldiers …

    =====

    This is totally different way of thinking than the one promoted by this site, and from my observations, it is extremely hard for followers of that thinking to understand people like Scott, Roth etc. and vice versa. The dialogue is typically like that: “It is lamentable that so many children were killed, we should work to avoid repeating that in the future” “So you support Hamas? Do you know what they do to gay people?” “So if some people in Gaza do not like gays, it is ok to bomb them and kill their children?” “So you also support Hezbollahs and the mullahs? [of Iran]” “You are you talking about the mullahs when we started about the children?” “Why are you white washing the fact that those children were born to very bad people who supported Hitler and were recruiting Bosnians and Albanians to fight for the Nazi cause”? “Where that came from? How misdeeds of some Bosnians and Albanians 70 years ago justify killing of the children now?” “Because we must realize who is the good side here, and who is the bad side. Plus, why are you so preoccupied with children, do you have a Lolita complex? And why are you ignoring the suffering of Israeli Jewish children who had to run to shelters each time there was an alarm? Why do you hate Jewish children?”

    • yourstruly
      September 16, 2015, 9:58 pm

      piotr,

      so in your opinion it all boils down to the Zionist side being the good side, the Palestinian side, the bad side? Nice that it’s that simple. But you omitted one important person, Grand Mufti Amin al-Husayni of Jerusalem. Don’t you remember, he met with Adolf Hitler? Did you leave him out because you thought we might counter with the names of Zionist officials who collaborated with the Nazis? Rudolf Kastner, for one, the representative in Hungary of the Jewish Agency who cut a deal with the Nazis that allowed over a thousand wealthy Zionist Jews (including he and his family, of course) to depart for Palestine; the quid pro quo being Kastner’s giving the Nazis a list of names and addresses of Jews to be deported. Consequently nearly 450,000 Jews were deported. With Zionist “friends” such as Kastner, it’s not surprising that so few Jews escaped the gas chambers.

      • yonah fredman
        September 16, 2015, 11:38 pm

        yourstruly- To compare the mufti’s association with Hitler which was heartfelt and uncoerced on the mufti’s part to the negotiations that kastner did because eichmann and the german killing machine was intent on killing the jews and attempting to get a price for cooperation, when the nazis held a gun to kastner’s family’s head, can only be described as propaganda (to be charitable) or truly sick (to be uncharitable). the captive Jews of Europe, when they could, most often, with few exceptions cooperated and negotiated with the nazis who came to kill them. if you are so great to say that you would not have negotiated, then you have undue confidence in the safe life you have lived. but the captive Jews negotiated with the nazis and that was the way it was. the mufti was willing cooperation.

        how was kastner different than all other jewish communities that cooperated with the nazi captors? it is not a glorious chapter in jewish or human history but for you to raise the topic to counter the collaboration of the mufti is obscene.

      • piotr
        September 17, 2015, 2:22 am

        No, in my opinion Zionists argue that because Jews are good and Israel is adorable, whatever the government does is good. Because those are deeds of good people. I have no idea what Grand Mufti Amin al-Husayni is “an important person”, least of all, in 21st century, and why he justifies what IDF and the settlers do, except in good versus bad narrative, where it is important to document why one side is good and the other bad. Books were written on the topic. Similarly, Kastner is not particularly relevant today and back in 1944 (I kind of doubt that Nazis and Arrowcross needed much help in identifying Jews for deportation.)

        The logic is that we have to delve into history to establish bad people and good people, preferably linking the bad to Hitler, Stalin can do as well, and once it is done, forever after we know who is to be blamed and who is blameless. If you have found a cure for cancer and subsequently raped a number of prepubescent children, in the light of huge contribution to humanity we have no choice but to trust that you did the good thing. Unless your grandpa’s third cousin met Hitler.

        In any case, this is not a logic invented by Zionists. For example, check Wikipedia page “Olga of Kiev”. The top illustration is captioned “Holy Equal-to-the-Apostles Olga”. Her beloved husband was collecting taxes, and after extracting tribute from one tribe, we returned in few weeks and asked for more, irate Drevlans killed him and Olga, the future Saint, avenged him, and her pius biographers described all her deeds (mostly mythological, I presume) with delight and approval, since those we deeds of an important saint. If this was not a saint’s biography, those exploits (e.g. fourth revenge on Derevlans) would mark her as a genocidal maniac.

      • Mooser
        September 17, 2015, 3:27 pm

        “how was kastner different than all other jewish communities that cooperated with the nazi captors?”

        Is your point, “Yonah”, that while there was only one Mufti, there many Jewish Kastners? Who are “all other Jewish communities that cooperated with the Nazi captors?” Were there lots who “cooperated”?

      • diasp0ra
        September 17, 2015, 4:32 pm

        @Yonah

        Please that is such a bucket of hogwash. Zionists collaborated with the Nazis to benefit Zionism, not to help Jews escape. In fact, they have done the opposite, there are so many examples:

        1. Edwin Black, ardent pro-Israeli author of the book The Transfer Agreement: The Dramatic Story of the Pact between the Third Reich and Jewish Palestine documented that in 1933 Zionist leaders concluded a secret pact with the Third Reich that transferred 60,000 Jews and $100,000 to Palestine, Zionists promising in return that they would halt the worldwide boycott “that threatened to topple the Hitler regime in its first year.”

        2. Lenni Brenner has two books on this, one entitled Zionism in the age of Dictators, and 51 Documents, Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis. In one of these documents, there is a letter by ardent Zionist and one of the leaders of the Irgun terrorist group (A Zionist paramilitary organization), Avraham Stern, stating that “Jewish militias would fight on Germany’s side in exchange for Nazi help in creating an “historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich” Stern is also credited with the founding of the Lehi Zionist terrorist group that wished to create a Hebrew Totalitarian State in all of historic Palestine.

        Although these groups are both extremist and there is a temptation to reject Stern as a fringe extremist outlier, these are not rejected or fringe groups in Israeli society. Both of these groups have had amongst their members leaders who would later become Prime Ministers of Israel and hold the highest offices in the state, such as Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir. There is even a town founded in Stern’s “honor”, carrying his nickname (Kokhav Ya’ir) and state postage stamps with his likeness.

        3. In his book What price Israel American Council for Judaism member Alfred Lilienthal describes FDR’s efforts to set up a program to rescue refugees, only to find Zionists sabotaging it. Roosevelt explained: “The Zionist movement knows that Palestine is, and will be for some time, a remittance society. They know that they can raise vast sums for Palestine by saying to donors, ‘There is no other place this poor Jew can go.’”

        4. In his book The Seventh Million: The Israelis and the Holocaust, Israeli historian Tom Segev quotes Zionist leader and future Israeli Prime Minister David Ben Gurion: “If I knew that it was possible to save all the Jewish children of Germany by transporting them to England, but only half of them by transporting them to Palestine, I would choose the second.” Segev writes that Ben-Gurion worried that ‘the human conscience’ might cause various countries to open their doors to Jewish refugees from Germany and saw this as a threat, warning: ‘Zionism is in danger.’”

        Did you read that? THEY ACTUALLY PUT PRESSURE ON FDR TO NOT ALLOW REFUGEES IN BECAUSE IT WOULD WEAKEN THE ZIONIST NARRATIVE THAT ONLY PALESTINE CAN SAVE THE JEWISH PEOPLE.

        Zionism doesn’t give a rats ass about Judaism, it cares about Zionism only.

      • yonah fredman
        September 17, 2015, 9:45 pm

        diaspora- Without dealing with the specifics of the four charges with which you indict the Zionist movement or portions thereof, these have nothing to do with the Kastner case and it was that case that I was commenting upon.

  15. Boo
    September 18, 2015, 10:27 am

    The term “Trefa Banquet” caught my eye quite a way up in this thread, so I looked it up — very interesting. One of the links was to a scan of the actual menu for the event.

    What struck me was the unexpected number of misspellings and grammatical glitches. And this banquet was to honor the first graduating class of a new university, no less.

    • Mooser
      September 18, 2015, 12:40 pm

      “Boo” the “Trefa Banquet” is a little obsession of mine, besides being amusing in many ways, it tells us much about Judaism in America.

      The menu is fun, but please, read Rabbi Sussman’s paper on the subject ( a pdf online) And Appel’s article in Commentary.
      The consequences of the Banquet are very interesting. Possibly, it lead to or assisted the factionalization of Jewish life in America.
      Of course, this was over something desperately important. Food.

  16. DoubleStandard
    September 21, 2015, 9:00 pm

    Mr. Roth writes,

    “By any objective measure, this “operation” was a veritable massacre”

    Hmm, what is an “objective measure”? I’m not sure exactly, but it sure as hell isn’t your personal opinion.

    If adopting a pro-Israel stance keeps away Israel-revilers like Mr. Scott Roth, that is a compelling reason for all synagogues to drape their foyers in Israeli flags.

    • eljay
      September 30, 2015, 9:49 am

      || DoubleStandard: Mr. Roth writes, “By any objective measure, this “operation” was a veritable massacre”

      Hmm, what is an “objective measure”? I’m not sure exactly … ||

      If a nation were to massacre 2,200 Jews – wiping out 89 Jewish families in the process – I strongly suspect you’d know for certain that that was a massacre by any “objective measure”.

      Unreal.

      • Froggy
        September 30, 2015, 10:56 am

        Eljay : “If a nation were to massacre 2,200 Jews – wiping out 89 Jewish families in the process – I strongly suspect you’d know for certain that that was a massacre. Funny how that works.”

        It’s a Double Standard.

      • eljay
        September 30, 2015, 11:38 am

        || Froggy: It’s a Double Standard. ||

        He certainly does do his best to live up to his username.

  17. NoMoreIsrael
    September 30, 2015, 9:28 am

    I’m not clear as to why anyone should be defensive about being an Israel hater. We’re talking about a vile country, established through massacre and ethnic cleansing and maintained through expulsion and force; a terror state marinating in the most extreme racism, where mobs flood into the street to sing:

    No school in Gaza today
    All the children are DEAD!

    How in the heck can one NOT hate such a disgusting society?

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