Video: Israeli forces open fire on Palestinian demonstrators in Gaza killing seven

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vid shot protestersAs Israel intensifies violence and uncoordinated multiple daily attacks are carried out by Palestinians, youth in Gaza have begun marching to the borders to express solidarity and their frustration.

Yesterday, Israeli soldiers clad in full combat gear shot protestors and occasionally fired tear gas canisters into the crowd of an estimated 1,000 young men and boys, killing seven and injuring 145 along Gaza’s border area. Layers of barbed wire and open space separated the soldiers from the protestors who threw rocks they found on the ground and molotov cocktails. Additional military installations and dirt mounds protected Israeli snipers as they picked off one protestor after the next with Ruger .22 rifles, hitting them in the head, chest, abdomen and limbs. Soldiers also fired explosive dum-dum rounds according to medical sources in Gaza. At no point did the protestors present any threat to the heavily armed soldiers. At least one protestor managed to plant a flag on the barbed wire.

Today, Israeli forces shot dead two children aged 13 and 15 as protests continue. Attacks were again reported at the Nahal Oz crossing east of Gaza City, east of Khan Younis, in the northern area of Beit Hanoun and at the Erez border crossing. THe demonstrations today reportedly drew smaller numbers than yesterday and Hamas security forces prevented some protestors from reaching the border area.

Israeli defense minister Moshe Ya’alon blamed his military’s killing of protestors on Hamas, saying that they didn’t prevent protestors from reaching the so-called “buffer zone,” a loosely interpreted three hundred meter stretch of agricultural land in the Gaza Strip from the border. He then threatened to escalate violence, referring to the 2014 massive assault on the Gaza Strip which killed more than 2,200 Palestinians, mostly civilians.

While Israeli officials claim to not want an escalation – the military refrained from customary bombing of Hamas training sites after one rocket launched from Gaza landed inside Israel overnight – its forces continue to escalate violence by killing Palestinian children and unarmed civilians.

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  1. Boomer
    October 10, 2015, 3:59 pm

    The front page of Google News features a headline and opening sentence from NYTimes, which has/provides a different perspective:

    “The Latest: Dozens Briefly Enter Israel From Gaza
    New York Times – ‎1 hour ago‎
    JERUSALEM – The latest developments in ongoing violence between Palestinians and Israelis (all times local): ___. 9:00 p.m.. The Israeli military says dozens of Palestinians breached the heavily-guarded border with Gaza and briefly entered Israel.”

    • Boomer
      October 10, 2015, 8:46 pm

      PS: I just checked the online editions of WaPo and NYT. Neither one had anything about this on the front page. If one does a search on “Israel,” of course, one learns that “The Obama administration has condemned the ongoing rash of Palestinian attacks against Israeli civilians and soldiers and appealed for calm on all sides.” (Initially I tried a search at WaPo on “Palestine” and didn’t get anything relevant to this.)

      • Kay24
        October 11, 2015, 7:25 am

        Isn’t it ironic that the side with the big guns, and who have killed more civilians, never get condemned? Isn’t it ironic that no one addresses, or refers to, the fact that the Palestinians are reacting this way because they are fed up of their situation, the occupation, and the endless massacres by those who hold them in chains? Is the WH so much afraid of the Israeli lobby and the wrath of the zionists, that they keep pretending there is no reason for the Palestinians to keep throwing stones and sending rockets? I am sick of being controlled by those parasites in Israel.

  2. just
    October 10, 2015, 5:03 pm

    “Additional military installations and dirt mounds protected Israeli snipers as they picked off one protestor after the next with Ruger .22 rifles, hitting them in the head, chest, abdomen and limbs. Soldiers also fired explosive dum-dum rounds according to medical sources in Gaza. At no point did the protestors present any threat to the heavily armed soldiers. At least one protestor managed to plant a flag on the barbed wire.”

    The IOF are war criminals and cowards.

    “US refuses to label Israeli attacks on Palestinians ‘terror’

    The State Department said Friday that recent attacks by Palestinians against Israelis are “acts of terror” but failed to apply the same standard when violence is committed against Palestinians by Israelis.

    “We would consider these violent acts [by Palestinians] that we’re talking about specifically here as acts of terror,” spokesman John Kirby said in response to a question about violence…

    But when asked whether he also considered to be terrorist acts the stabbing of a Palestinian by a 17-year-old Israeli in the city of Dimona, Kirby brushed it aside and said he was not aware of the incident.

    “I don’t have the details on that, so I’d really rather not get into this event by event,” he said.

    “But we do consider these particular acts of violence that we’ve seen – the stabbings and the killings there particularly in East Jerusalem – as terror,” he said, referring to attacks by Palestinians while being careful not to label Israeli attacks as “terror”.

    He added, however, that “all the violence needs to stop and calm should be restored”.

    In the last seven days, several violent clashes have erupted between Palestinian youth and Israeli troops in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.

    At least 1,600 Palestinians have been injured during clashes with Israelis since Oct. 3, according to the Palestinian Red Crescent.”

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/americas/21559-us-refuses-to-label-israeli-attacks-on-palestinians-terror

    Sleep tight, America. The US is hugely complicit in and responsible for this ongoing genocide of the people of Palestine.

    Thanks for the article, Dan.

  3. HarryLaw
    October 10, 2015, 7:21 pm

    A bad time for a Palestinian uprising, they have no leaders, Abbas is a traitor. The rest of the Arab world is in turmoil, with El Sisi and the Saudi King probably backing the Israelis. It is brave but futile and stupid for dozens of youths to throw stones at heavily protected tanks and troops who have already been given the orders to shoot to kill. An uprising must have the capacity to inflict costs on the occupier, and as the last massacre in Gaza proved the cost/benefit calculation was too one sided. 7,000 Hamas rockets fired on Israel with approx 2, yes two hitting anything, the other 6,998 just blew up the desert. This gave all and sundry, including Obama the excuse that Israel had the right to defend themselves. And how they did, over 2,000 Palestinian dead including 500 children and 7 billion dollars destruction. Professor Finkelstein in his study of that massacre said that 20,000 Palestinian homes had been destroyed and only 1 Israeli home. The Palestinians have had a long time to plan and organize an uprising, they have neither the leadership nor the wherewithal at this time to confront the ruthless Israelis, I hope they ponder on their predicament and choose a more propitious time for it. At the moment the ‘arc of resistance’ Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon with the help of Russia are wiping the floor with the US backed Dictators and their Al Qaeda/Al Nusra supporters. The ‘arc of resistance’ are strong supporters of the Palestinians, surely it would be better for the Palestinians to wait for backing.

    • diasp0ra
      October 10, 2015, 7:36 pm

      This backing won’t come.

      What, are they going to attack Israel? Smuggle weapons in? Soldiers?

      Of course not. And while I understand your point, it’s incredibly disrespectful to call the actions of the people struggling for their freedom stupid. No matter if you disagree with their methods or not.

      It’s easy to sit far away and tell people it’s not the right time to move when you’re safe and sound and not feeling the brunt of occupation on you every day.

      It takes incredibly heavy deterioration for Palestinians to move out in masses such as this, it’s not something planned, it’s not something anyone can stop. You need to live it to actually understand it. Telling us from your Ivory tower what we should do is not helpful.

      • ziusudra
        October 11, 2015, 12:16 am

        Greetings Diaspora,
        I agree with your point that stones against weapons are suicidal.
        I say duck & come back another day.
        There are other ways to demonstrate.
        Use BDS where possible in Gaza & WB.
        Subside only what Palestinians produce.
        Insurrection & treason not as fighting, dying youth, but protest by stealing produce from Israel eatable production & Israeli farms.
        Thieve your way to your stomachs, not fighting with death to yourselves.
        ziusudra
        PS Set up an industry with Israeli stolen products sold cheaper to Palestinians. You also damage the profits of Israelis. Better to get shot stealing food than throwing stones!

      • HarryLaw
        October 11, 2015, 3:51 am

        I would go further than say it is stupid, it is criminal, if I can use an analogy, if during the second world war, the UK war cabinet had ordered a 7,000 bomber raid on Germany, knowing that those aircraft did not have the fuel to reach Germany, and had to drop their bombs in the North Sea, and in retaliation the Germans destroyed a third of the UK. I suspect that War cabinet would be hung from lamp posts. I don’t live in an ivory tower, and have been to court on behalf of the Palestinians more times than any of the so called Lawyers for Palestinian Human Rights. My point is don’t commit suicide . An old age pensioner with a heart condition could have inflicted more damage on the Israeli state wondering round Tel Aviv smashing things up with his walking stick than all the Hamas and Islamic Jihad rockets. Unless the Palestinians think, they will be destroyed.

      • Sibiriak
        October 11, 2015, 4:41 am

        HarryLaw: I would go further than say it is stupid, it is criminal
        ——————-

        I would prefer to say its likely to be counterproductive. No need for harsh invective against the lashing out of the oppressed.

        Massive non-violent resistance–obstructing in any way possible the Occupation’s “matrix of control”–combined with BDS, international public and governmental pressure, and legal action in international courts–all that together would seem to hold out the best chance for positive change.

        Alas, as diasp0ra correctly pointed out, the violence is ” not something planned, it’s not something anyone can stop” — and it may at least destroy any sense of normalcy or sustainability of the status quo.

      • diasp0ra
        October 11, 2015, 9:08 am

        @Harrylaw

        Going to a court =/= knowing what it’s like to live your entire life under occupation and oppression.

        I’m sorry but relatively speaking you really are commenting from an Ivory Tower.

        Really Palestinians don’t need to hear your condescension regarding our martyrs that paid everything in a struggle for freedom. What you’re doing is disgustingly disrespectful. Disagree with the choices all you want but calling it stupid and criminal is downright disgusting on your part.

        Until you understand what it’s like to live like Palestinians have your entire life, you really don’t get to judge. Especially not in such a condescending way.

      • CigarGod
        October 11, 2015, 9:56 am

        What, other day, what better day?
        The best day to do anything is the day you are moved to do it.
        The people who wait for a better day, till conditions are right…are not the one’s who gained rights for people of many nations.

      • Ian Berman
        October 12, 2015, 6:32 pm

        Exactly DiaspOra.

        Harry Law, the Palestinians watched international laws passed at the time of the 1948 Ethnic Cleansing and for 19 years go unenforced. Then Israel completed its conquest of Palestine. The occupation not extended to every piece of Palestinian land. With their supporters defeated and lacking the resources to fight their own battle, the Palestinians turned to terrorism, as General Matti Peled of the IDF Chiefs of Staff predicted.

        The point in response to your comments is that at some point, people reach a limit and will do whatever they can to resist.

    • socialconscience
      October 11, 2015, 4:22 am

      palestinians stupid? could you be anymore pompous?

      The population of Palestine, have been brutalized by more actors than I can count in the past century,
      of course with the extreme violence perpetrated against the occupied territories in the past 50 years being most obvious

      look at the men and boys you see in the video, how many overweight people can you count? few…they are poorly nourished

      The Israeli war machine has used every means one could possibly imagine from calorie counting per head of population in Gaza, to drone warfare to restricting entry of humanitarian supplies to Gaza…the list goes on

      Just how much energy, effort and education do you think the tortured people of Gaza, half of whom are children, have at their disposal to produce leaders with the requisite ability and skills to lead and coordinate any kind of effective uprising?

      HarryLaw you say you do not live in an ivory tower….well do you live in the real world?

      Chomsky points out that some of the most effective means of resistance has come from people from developed countries who have been prepared to live in and amongst repressed peoples – its a deterent and credible show of solidarity a la Dan Cohen.

      would you put your best foot forward and do something constructive so?

      • HarryLaw
        October 11, 2015, 8:49 am

        socialconcience “Palestinians stupid? could you be anymore pompous?” I did not say Palestinians were stupid. They are just the same as every other group of people on earth, some stupid, some clever. If you encourage youths to throw stones or do not try to dissuade them from doing so against a ruthless opponent heavily armed and sheltering behind tanks, with instructions from Netanyahu to shoot to kill stone throwers [11 have been murdered in the last couple of days] then you are stupid.

    • Sibiriak
      October 11, 2015, 4:28 am

      HarryLaw: An uprising must have the capacity to inflict costs on the occupier, and as the last massacre in Gaza proved the cost/benefit calculation was too one sided. 7,000 Hamas rockets fired on Israel with approx 2, yes two hitting anything, the other 6,998 just blew up the desert.
      ——————-
      Not that the your final assessment would necessarily be wrong, but you also have to take into consideration costs inflicted in terms of delegitimizing Israel and exposing to the world the evils of Zionism and the Occupation.

    • CigarGod
      October 11, 2015, 9:20 am

      HarryLaw,
      Your comment assumes Palestinians can think, behave and react like any other civilization.
      They are terrorized, starved fish in a barrel…and have been for generations.
      Your expectations and remedy have nothing to do with reality.

      • BethlehemOlivesRedeem
        October 13, 2015, 2:31 am

        “Your comment assumes Palestinians can think, behave and react like any other civilization.
        “They are terrorized, starved fish in a barrel…and have been for generations.”

        I’m surprised commenters have let this racist stereotype, sounding very Zionist, pass. It is far less respectful than HarryLaw’s clumsy, and patronizing, attempt to inject some carefully pragmatic strategic thinking.

        I didn’t see any young men who looked terribly terrorized in the video Dan Cohen and Ahmed Rezeq gave us. They all looked dignified and brave. And a lot of them are likely higher-achieving scholars than most American and Israeli males with all their “peace” and comfort and privileges, but academic freedom isn’t really a value Israeli Jews and Zionist Americans care to share with Palestinians. They may be hungrier than you and I on a daily basis, thanks to Zionist Entity leaders having carefully learned from Nazi occupiers of Warsaw and Hitler’s Mein Kampf and the great utility of the Great Lie. But they are no fish — especially since fish has been removed from their diet by the Ziofascists.
        And CigarGod said “for generations”??? It was in 2006 that the blockade became as gruesome as it is. Before that, yes, an apartheid racist colonialist settler state and imperialist conqueror has squatted on Palestine like Yeats’ “rough beast”, slowly devouring the indigenous, driving them out, attempting to divide them against each other, and so on.
        But the article’s question: Is the Sinai option for real? remains.
        I believe the option is being considered bythe Zionist chief warlords, but they are also capitalists, and they are making a real killing in the arms/surveillance/population control industries by holding onto Ariel Sharon’s brilliant “disengaged” Gaza Strip as a unique weapons-testing laboratory for the market of growing warlord mini-me “democratic republics” in the “Third World”. Moshe Dayan decades ago said Israel can keep kicking Palestinian and Arab butt as long as it has a “pretext” for disproportionate “retaliatory” strikes. And the rockets, which a Jewish friend of mine likens to “distress flares” from a boat taking on water, are the perfect pretext — they don’t cost Israel any lives really — what, two per year? Sderot is a very convenient part of the laboratory, and all the hoopla over the shitty Iron Dome system was more smoke and mirrors to pull in more money for the rich, freewheelers who give no more care for the well-being of Jews on the ground in Israel than the Founding Fathers of the ZioState did for the 1,800 Jews on board the SS Patria in 1940, which they sank with explosives, killing 267 and injuring 172 to make the Brits look bad. U.S. generals in the Iraq war 10 years ago offered the c-ram system to Israel, but its money-grubbing leaders wanted to make more money doing their own thing — meanwhile putting their greasy hands out to American taxpayers for evermore funds to build their silly toy.
        Where is the logic in actually trying to institute a ‘solution’ where Palestinians actually have a state, when their bantustanization has been working quite nicely for the gullible, greedy heirs to Hitler’s corrupting definition of Jews as mean-spirited, greedy and ruthless? Why would the U.S. government push a “solution” when it long since has been bought and bound by Zionist billionaires? Remember Cynthia McKinney? Why did she get driven out of Congress? She was just about the only elected member to refuse to sign a loyalty to Israel oath as a junior Congresswoman.
        No, the Sinai option is another distraction. Palestinians would never go for it — because they are smarter than cigarhead thinks. But so are the elite Zionists.

      • CigarGod
        October 13, 2015, 10:19 am

        BOR,
        I’m sorry you felt my comment was zionist/racist. My experience agree’s with you about the soul, education and restraint of Palestinian people.

        Unfortunately, the impact of brutal occupation on the body and soul of any human civilization is well known. No matter how heroic one may be, one is not immune.

        Harry and I disagree on the stupidity of some resistence. He and you both seem to give short shrift to the impact of imprisoning or removing effective leaders as they emerge.

        You seem to only want to recognize the most recent and violent of actions. Yes, the violent occupation has been going on for many generations and has left it’s deep mark on the civilization.
        Recognizing the science…as in PTSD, is not a racist zionist stereotype.

        My comment history is open to everyone. It is not without error. But, it is based on a lifetime of dedicated experience and personal observation.
        Video is helpful, but I wouldn’t evaluate the condition of anyone based solely on a video.

  4. JLewisDickerson
    October 10, 2015, 7:30 pm

    RE: “Yesterday, Israeli soldiers clad in full combat gear shot protestors and occasionally fired tear gas canisters into the crowd of an estimated 1,000 young men and boys, killing seven and injuring 145 along Gaza’s border area. Layers of barbed wire and open space separated the soldiers from the protestors who threw rocks they found on the ground and molotov cocktails. Additional military installations and dirt mounds protected Israeli snipers as they picked off one protestor after the next with Ruger .22 rifles, hitting them in the head, chest, abdomen and limbs.” ~ Dan Cohen

    MY COMMENT: As far as Netanyahu is concerned, it is ‘open season’* on Palestinians! ! ! **

    * open season: a specific season or time of year when it is legal to catch or hunt for fish or game protected at all other times by the law. – http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/open-season

    ** SEE: “Netanyahu: Stupid Like a Fox?”, By Uri Avnery, Antiwar.com, 06/13/11

    [EXCERPT] . . . Last week, there was a repeat performance. The Palestinians all around Israel have declared June 5 “Naksa” Day, to commemorate the “Setback” of 1967, when Israel spectacularly defeated the armies of Egypt, Syria, and Jordan, reinforced by elements from the Iraqi and Saudi armies.
    This time, the Israeli army was prepared. The fence was reinforced and an anti-tank ditch dug in front of it. When the demonstrators tried to reach the fence—again near Majdal Shams—they were shot by sharpshooters. Some 22 were killed, and many dozens were wounded. The Palestinians report that people trying to rescue the wounded and retrieve the dead were also shot and killed.
    No doubt this was a deliberate tactic decided upon in advance by the army command after the Naqba Day fiasco and approved by Benjamin Netanyahu and Ehud Barak. As was said quite openly, the Palestinians had to be taught a lesson they would not forget, so as to drive any idea of an unarmed mass action out of their minds.
    It is frighteningly reminiscent of events 10 years ago.
    After the first Intifada, in which stone-throwing youngsters and children won a moral victory that led to the Oslo agreement, our army conducted exercises in anticipation of a second Intifada. This broke out after the political disaster of Camp David, and the army was ready.
    The new Intifada started with mass demonstrations of unarmed Palestinians. They were met by specially trained sharpshooters. Next to each sharpshooter stood an officer who pointed out the individuals who were to be shot because they looked like ringleaders: “The guy in the red shirt… Now the boy with the blue trousers…”
    The unarmed uprising broke down and was replaced by suicide bombers, roadside bombs, and other “terrorist” acts. With those our army was on familiar ground.

    I suspect very much that we are witnessing much the same thing once more. Again, specially trained sharpshooters are at work, directed by officers. . .

    SOURCE – http://original.antiwar.com/avnery/2011/06/12/netanyahu-stupid-like-a-fox/

    • JLewisDickerson
      October 10, 2015, 7:36 pm

      P.S. RE: “While Israeli officials claim to not want an escalation . . . its forces continue to escalate violence by killing Palestinian children and unarmed civilians.” ~ Dan Cohen

      SEE: “The Dogs of War: The Next Intifada”, By Uri Avnery, Counterpunch, 9/03/11

      [EXCERPT] . . . The second (“al-Aqsa”) intifada started after the breakdown of the 2000 Camp David conference and Ariel Sharon’s deliberately provocative “visit” to the Temple Mount. The Palestinians held non-violent mass demonstrations. The army responded with selective killings. A sharpshooter accompanied by an officer would take position in the path of the protest, and the officer would point out selected targets – protesters who looked like “ringleaders”. They were killed.
      This was highly effective. Soon the non-violent demonstrations ceased and were replaced by very violent (“terrorist”) actions. With those the army was back on familiar ground. . .

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/02/the-next-intifada/

    • Les
      October 10, 2015, 8:04 pm

      Propaganda 101.

      “They were shot by sharpshooters.” You know which side the reporters were on since they didn’t write, “They were murdered by snipers.”

      Sharpshooters versus snipers has a corollary which politicans use. Crowds attend my rallies while my opponent’s rallies attract mobs.

      • JLewisDickerson
        October 10, 2015, 9:03 pm

        “All murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.” – Voltaire

    • BethlehemOlivesRedeem
      October 13, 2015, 2:57 am

      And it took three months — three months, that’s 13 weeks, 90 days — before any Palestinians reached the breaking point to start killing Israeli children n return, like those Zionazi soldiers had been doing daily against the Palestinians. Some may call that crazy. I’d call it incredibly noble and bold. Israel gets its biggest kicks provoking its peaceable neighbors into reacting with the slightest sign of violence, then they unleash their massive firepower, thanks to gullible Yankee-liberal voters, craven media lords and sycophantic politicians in Washington.
      Anybody remember Mubarak Awad, the Palestinian “Gandhi” who was a strong nonviolent activist? Israel expelled him from Palestine because he was too effective. It’s as JLewisDickeerson said, Israel is intent on “driving any idea of an unarmed mass action out of their minds.” The Zionists, right left and center, love Qassam rockets, for the infinite propaganda mileage they provide in the stupidly naïve West and the minimal damage they do to Israeli Jews — about 30 to 40 killed in 14 years.
      Luckily, Palestinian leaders on the ground came to realize after five years that suicide bombing was a really bad, counterproductive tactic. They haven’t done one in, what, eight years, but the Western press still bandies the term about as if they still are doing it like Tamil Tigers or something. Such intellectual and moral laziness is par for the course in capitalist capitals.

  5. Kathleen
    October 10, 2015, 9:28 pm

    So important to document the deadly brutality of Israeli soldiers. Dan and other camera person you are brave people.

  6. kalithea
    October 10, 2015, 9:32 pm

    I wish everyone would stop bandying about a “third intifada” and giving Zionists an excuse to wipe Palestinians off the map, because that’s all Zionists need; a cover for genocide they can legitimize. Stop trying to stir the pot! It’s irresponsible to light a match in a room full of combustible elements.

    Palestinians have suffered too much to want to go that route; I’m convinced they don’t want to go there; nobody wants to die for nothing when the entire world has abandoned them. These people have tried everything and suffered everything, and have resorted to peaceful means, but the deck is always stacked against them. Ask yourselves how this could happen in today’s world. You know very well who’s calling the shots on this issue and who has everything rigged against these poor people.

    You know very well in who’s name this is being done! And the most sickening part is that these people in who’s name this is being done just don’t give a damn because they have too much power to lose and everyone else is muzzled by so much bullshet that now goes under the heading of anti-Semitism.

    We all know who can end this, but it’s just too inconvenient.

  7. Jackdaw
    October 11, 2015, 12:08 am

    ” Israeli soldiers clad in full combat gear shot protestors (sic) and occasionally fired tear gas canisters into the crowd of an estimated 1,000 young men and boys, killing seven and injuring 145 along Gaza’s border area.”

    Every country has a right to protect its borders. The IDF response was measured. Tear gas. Warning shots. Non-lethal shots to the legs, and finally, lethal shots to the torso.

    Again. A measured response to the hundreds who sought to enter Israel.

    “Layers of barbed wire and open space separated the soldiers from the protestors who threw rocks they found on the ground and molotov cocktails ”

    A dozen protesters actually penetrated the fence and entered Israel, but were arrested and returned unhurt.

    Dan Cohen serves up biased, agitprop, to the ignorant and hungry.

    • Froggy
      October 11, 2015, 10:03 am

      Jackdaw : “Every country has a right to protect its borders. The IDF response was measured.”

      I see. So the ‘borders’ of mighty Israel are threatened by teenagers who are throwing stones from behind coils of barbed wire. -LOL-

      • CigarGod
        October 11, 2015, 10:16 am

        To folks who have never seen a calloused hand in person. It is logical in such a soft suburban mind like Jackdaw’s…to consider a stone a deadly weapon and a handful of stones…a weapon of mass destruction.

      • Jackdaw
        October 11, 2015, 2:11 pm

        As I said, some protesters managed to enter Israel proper. For what purpose, I don’t know.

      • James North
        October 11, 2015, 2:43 pm

        Jackdaw:

        some protesters managed to enter Israel proper

        So the protesters crossed a 100-meter free fire zone on their side of the fence, and then climbed the fence — despite Israeli snipers and other soldiers waiting for them? You expect any fair-minded person to believe you?

      • Froggy
        October 11, 2015, 4:12 pm

        So what!

        Unarmed teenagers crossing the border would pose no threat to real soldiers.

        Besides that, the reports I read described the Israeli cowards shooting the protesters that were on the other side of the barbed wire.

      • Jackdaw
        October 11, 2015, 3:27 pm

        @James North

        http://www.sunherald.com/news/nation-world/article38640957.html

        I fully understand that nothing I say hear is getting into anyone’s head.

      • James North
        October 11, 2015, 3:58 pm

        Jackdaw: All your link says is that “the Israeli military” claims that Palestinians breached the Gaza fence. Do you really think visitors to Mondoweiss are going to believe “the Israeli military?”

      • Jackdaw
        October 11, 2015, 4:03 pm

        You proved my point. Nothing gets through here.

        Good night, James.

      • Froggy
        October 11, 2015, 4:47 pm

        Do you have any idea how absurd you zionistas look when you refer to some unarmed teenagers crossing some line you drew in the sand as if these kids were a threat to Israel’s security.

        The Wehrmacht invasion of Russia was a threat. This is a bunch of angry, unarmed teens.

      • echinococcus
        October 11, 2015, 5:13 pm

        “Nothing gets through here.”

        You didn’t have to repeat, Jack, we get that and it’s correct.
        So who pays you to sit at this drudgery most of the day when you know nothing from you gets through?

    • Kathleen
      October 11, 2015, 11:28 am

      International bodies of law have determined Israel more often than not uses extreme and disproportionate and very deadly measures to respond to Palestinians fighting for their internationally recognized land and rights.

    • talknic
      October 11, 2015, 4:17 pm

      @ Jackdaw “Every country has a right to protect its borders”

      Indeed. However, Israel is protecting the Ceasefire/Armistice Demarcation Line which is specifically NOT to be taken as a territorial boundary.

      The ONLY borders Israel has are those it proclaimed effective 00:01 May 15th 1948 (ME time) in the Israeli plea for recognition. Israel has not since legally acquired any territory.

      http://wp.me/pDB7k-Xk#googlemap

      You can of course prove me wrong by showing the agreements with Palestine whereby Israel legally acquired territories beyond its proclaimed extent.

      • Talkback
        October 12, 2015, 9:02 am

        “You can of course prove me wrong by showing the agreements with Palestine whereby Israel legally acquired territories beyond its proclaimed extent.”

        How about showing an agreement whereby Jewish separatists legally acquired territory for the so called “Jewish state.”

        “The Jewish Agency refusal [of the truce] exposes its aim to set up its separate state by force of arms – the military action after May 15 will be conducted by the Haganah with the help of the terrorist organizations, the Irgun and LEHI, [and] the UN will face a distorted situation. The Jews will be the real aggressors against the Arabs, but will claim they are only defending the borders of the state, decided upon … by the General Assembly.”
        https://books.google.de/books?id=6T_Ff6Ra57sC&pg=PA69&lpg=PA69#v=onepage&q&f=false

      • talknic
        October 12, 2015, 11:20 am

        Talkback “How about showing an agreement whereby Jewish separatists legally acquired territory for the so called “Jewish state.””

        http://www.cfr.org/sovereignty/montevideo-convention-rights-duties-states/p15897#art1

        The Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel, the Israeli Government’s plea for and the subsequent recognition of Israel, inclusive of the undertaking to adhere to International Law.

        In all of which Israel the state has failed

  8. HarryLaw
    October 11, 2015, 9:42 am

    diaspOa ” calling it stupid and criminal is downright disgusting on your part”. I am not denigrating the Palestinian resistance, I fully support them and Hezbollah. I do draw the line at futile acts of resistance like when throwing stones at heavily armed and protected IDF whose fingers are on a hair trigger and under orders to shoot to kill stone throwers. It is not me who is being disrespectful of Palestinians . If you encourage or fail to dissuade those stone throwers when you know they will be shot to death, it is you who is disrespectful to Palestinians, in those circumstances you would also have blood on your hands.

    • diasp0ra
      October 11, 2015, 9:56 am

      HarryLaw,

      It is easy for you to say that, I can’t really say more on this. It’s difficult for people not living under the conditions to understand how it’s like living in Palestine and why this reaction is the way it is.

      It’s also not easy for a huge wave like this to happen, so you know something BIG went down to provoke it.

      Instead of the focus being on the Palestinians throwing stones, the focus should be on the IDF thugs who shoot unarmed protesters. In the end it is nobody’s place to tell the Palestinians how to react to their own oppression, especially by someone who hasn’t lived it.

      • CigarGod
        October 11, 2015, 10:00 am

        Nothing wrong with thoughtful planning and timing.
        But also, nothing wrong with the youth taking the lead…as they have done since the beginning of time.
        It is our nature.

        I appreciate HarryLaws concern. But his careful approach just amortizes death over a longer period of time.

  9. NickJOCW
    October 12, 2015, 9:08 am

    I feared something like this might happen under cover of the Russian intervention in Syria. It’s a well tried Netanyahu tactic; while the world’s attention is somewhere else roll up your sleeves and kill some more Palestinians, the puppet press will ignore it or call it self defence and the White House will express concern, appeal for calm, and offer heartfelt prayers for the families.

    • Theo
      October 12, 2015, 1:42 pm

      Russian intervention is Syria?! If we want to talk about “intervention” than we should mention the USA, GB, Saudi Arabia, France and Qatar, among others, but not Russia!

      Russia, and earlier the Sovietunion, has and had a friendly relations with that country for decades, it has a naval base there since the 1970s, and is the only military that was invited by the valid government of Syria. All the other ones mentioned above armed and trained mercenaries, spirited them into Syria through Turkey, financed the different revolutionary groups, many of them not even syrian, but from other arab countries. In other words paid mercenaries. The goal is to destabilise the Middle-East, so the NWO can choose their own dictators, like el Sisi in Egypt.

      Let us to be fair. The west tried for four and a half years to get read of Assad, without a real chance. He may be a bloody dictator, but he holds that country together and has his own supporters, without him who will rule that country made up of different nationalities and religions? It would be the same chaos as now, sunnies against shias, christians against alevites, kurds agains assyrer, etc.
      What you see is the neo-colonial forces trying to reconquer lost colonies, however Russia has no such intentions. Sure, geopolitics are dirty business, as we can also see in Ukraina, where the west invested billions to overthrow the russian friendly government and bring the country into the NATO, however no the russians, but the west is supporting all those bloody dictators in the area.
      I can assure you the russian intervention in that war made very little waves here in Europe, I am sure McCain and similar creatures in Washington are beating the war drums and blowing it out of proportions.
      One thing is sure, only with the cooperation of Russia can we end that bloody massacre, our politicians and generals have ansolutely no idea of international relations. The west had years to do it, so let the russian try it now. If they succees millions of refugees can go home.

      • NickJOCW
        October 13, 2015, 9:51 am

        I was referencing Russia’s intervention in the military efforts against Daesh which are being effected in Syria. Such intervention commands wide media attention and comment, and is providing a cover for renewed attacks on Palestinians. I apologise if this was unclear. I had feared Netanyahu would take the opportunity to unleash exactly what he appears to have unleashed.

      • Theo
        October 14, 2015, 9:16 am

        NickJOCW

        My comment was an outcry against the constant attacks on Russia and Putin personally by the western media and had very little to do with the other problem in the area, the palestinians.
        I try to be fair and always blame the guilty party.
        The USA with the NATO is destroying country after country in the ME, we should look at Iraq, Libya, Yemen and now Syria, not the only, but the recent ones, where a state has been abolished and the country was bombed back into the middle ages, all under the excuse of freeing the population and bringing democracy to them. It reminds me of the Jesuits in South America, who either converted a native to catholism or killed him to save his soul.
        Our consequtive governments since WWII keep this country in constant fear, so they can carry out their little dirty wars. First were the communists, then the Al Quida, (by the way organised and supported by our own little CIA), and since years simply the moslem terrorists. One should not forget, you cannot make friends by bombing their house and killing their children.
        If the same groups would fight not us, but the russians, then we would call them freedom fighters!
        The country should wake up, not the islam is killing our citizens, but our own fellow americans with their guns, up to 15,000 every single year.

      • CigarGod
        October 14, 2015, 10:44 am

        A lot of good point in a small space.

  10. brent
    October 12, 2015, 2:23 pm

    Harry Law is making an obvious point that is ignored at the expense of the well-being of Palestinians and their sympathizers around the world….. indeed all who have an interest in a calmer world.

    It has been obvious for many, many years Greater Israel has calculated that humiliating Palestinians at random enrages the population and that rage inhibits clever resistance. Palestinians seem to grab even tighter to their “right to resist”. People who are angry don’t think well. Demanding the right to resist gets in the way of resisting effectively. In short, they end up writing a “permission note” for greater violence and suppression against their population and aspirations.

    Marwan Barghouti’s recent commentary in The Guardian makes my point. In his frustration, he points out that because the world ignores the plight of Palestinians, it will have to live with the Palestinian rage. Where are the wise, clever Palestinian voices who can provide insight to effectively resist and actually put the Greater Israel Project in fear? Isn’t that the objective? Where is the argument rockets or stones will have the desired effect?

    What does Greater Israel fear? I think its the essential humanity in Jews which wants Israel to enjoy the respect of other nations and peoples of the world. A Palestinian campaign for justice OR EQUALITY, two states or one, would, I reason, resonate with all peoples, would counter the victim mentality (perhaps they don’t want to destroy us but to co-eist) and would lead non-ideological Israelis to essentially say to the Greater Israel people, “Stop. What you are doing will force upon us a bi-national state. Two states for two peoples is best.”

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