‘Third intifada was launched,’ Palestinian law student posted before carrying out fatal attack in Jerusalem

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Overnight, one mosque outside Ramallah chose not play the melodic hum of the call to prayer to mark pre-dawn worship. Amid fierce clashes that took place across the West Bank and Jerusalem following two attacks on Israelis, and the killing of the Palestinian assailants and raiding of their homes, the mosque amplified the Palestinian national anthem.

The unrest marks the peak of growing tensions over the Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem. Intense clashes escalated yesterday and early this morning, on into the afternoon, prompting Palestinians to speculate if we are seeing the beginnings of a “third Intifada,” or uprising.

More than 100 Palestinians were injured in the upheaval, including two journalists. 

This morning Israeli police announced a two-day closed military zone in the Muslim quarter of the Old City and limits on prayer at al-Aqsa mosque to men over the age of 50. Women of all ages are permitted to pray. 

The first attack

Rabbi Nehemia Lavi. (Photo: Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs)

Rabbi Nehemia Lavi. (Photo: Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs)

In Jerusalem shortly after sunset on Saturday, Israeli authorities said, a 21-year-old Palestinian, Mohannad Halabi, stabbed two Israeli settlers in the Old City, Aharon and Adele Bennett, according to Israeli police and statements made by Adele Bennett. The couple were accompanying their two children, an infant and a toddler, to the Western Wall when the attack occurred. Army reservist Rabbi Nechemia Lavi, who resides in Yeshiva Ateret Cohanim, an East Jerusalem settlement in the Muslim quarter, intervened to aid the Bennett family. Halabi then stabbed Lavi and grabbed his gun, shooting at bystanders until Israeli border police rushed to the scene and shot and killed him.

Aharon Bennett. (Photo: Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs)

Aharon Bennett. (Photo: Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs)

Adele Bennett was hospitalized with moderate wounds. Aharon Bennett and Lavi were laid to rest in consecutive funerals in a north Jerusalem cemetery this morning.

“We will reach the killers of the innocent and pure, and we will reach their inciters and their dispatchers, and will deliver them a stinging blow,” said Israeli President Reuven Rivlin in an eulogy for Lavi, employing his strongest language yet on the recent attacks carried out by both Israelis and Palestinians. “I want to offer my support for the security forces, operating decisively at this time around Jerusalem, and throughout the land of Israel against the murderers,” he said, in apparent reference to an Israeli couple killed deep in the occupied West Bank on Thursday night.

Attacker motivated by slaying of Palestinian, Israeli forces storming al-Aqsa mosque, says third Intifada has started

In the days leading up to the attack Halabi, a law student at al Quds University in East Jerusalem, had posted a flurry of announcements on Facebook advocating violent acts against Israeli civilians and soldiers. One message was addressed to Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas.

“According to what I see, the third Intifada was launched,” Halabi posted on Facebook the night before the attack. He also wrote:

“How long will this humiliation and shame last?”

“Resistance is within the limits of the law and is a legitimate framework.” 

The messages appeared to originate from Halabi’s attendance at the funeral two weeks ago of Diaa Talameh, 21, from Khursa near Hebron. Talameh was a Palestinian killed by Israeli forces during clashes.

“What touched me the most in being at the funeral was that everyone was crying except the mother and father, and more women showed up then men,” Halabi wrote. Over the last month he also posted notes of distress over Israeli forces entering and firing munitions into the Muslim holy site of al-Aqsa Mosque.

“It’s all written on Facebook, the anger that is there,” Halabi’s uncle told me on the patio of their family home in Surda, a middle-class suburb of Ramallah. “Freedom fighters today are called terrorists, we don’t have the right to protect our land. They [the Israeli army] destroyed Gaza, Jenin, the whole of the West Bank– and we are the terrorist,” he said.

The Palestinian militant group Islamic Jihad has claimed responsibility for the attack. However, Halabi’s family deny that he was affiliated with the group.

Hours after the killings in the Old City, clashes erupted outside of Ramallah when groups of settlers descended on the Palestinian city lobbing rocks and burning tires. During the clash Israeli soldiers injured five Palestinians with rubber bullets, according to a spokesperson for the Red Crescent. The clashes continued in the north of Ramallah until 3:30 a.m. when scores of Israeli soldiers in Jeeps arrived at the Halabi family home in Surda. With rumors circulating that Israeli forces would arrive overnight to demolish the house, the Halabi family emptied their home of furniture. They piled bedrooms, dressers and dislodged expensive marble countertops and sinks, in preparation for the destruction of their home.

“We already know what they will do, so we beat them to it,” Halabi’s uncle said.

Home demolitions are a punitive measure that was commonplace during the second Intifada as an Israeli tactic of deterrence aimed at the families’ of Palestinians whose relatives carried out fatal attacks against Israel. The practice is illegal under international law as a form of collective punishment, and until last year Israel had enacted a moratorium against leveling homes as punishment.

Dozens of Palestinians from Surda and nearby villages gathered at the entrance of Surda this morning and in front of the Halabi house.

Soldiers searched the home, questioned relatives, and then left an hour and a half later. Yet clashes continuing in the surrounding area until dawn. By late afternoon, rubble from the encounter was still smoking. 

A second stabbing and rightists chant ‘death to Arabs!’

Meanwhile, in Jerusalem throngs of rightists paraded through the city center after midnight, chanting “Death to Arabs!” And mobs attacked a Palestinian driver.

Outside of Damascus Gate, Palestinian Fadi Aloon from the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Issawiya was killed by Israeli police shortly after 2 a.m., after allegedly stabbing 15-year old Israeli Moshe Malka, according to a statement by Israeli police. Aloon’s family say their son did not carry out the attack, referencing a video that shows the young Palestinian fleeing on foot, chased by ultra-Orthodox Israelis who shouted “shoot him!”–before being gunned down by the authorities. The footage cuts off just as an Israeli security officer is filmed kicking the body of the deceased.

Israeli soldiers then raided the al-Aqsa mosque, arresting 40 worshippers inside of the holy site complex. At daybreak, soldiers entered the Aloon home in Issawiya and arrested the deceased’s father, prompting clashes with residents. 

Malka is currently being treated in a Jerusalem hospital for injuries.

A coming Intifada?

Throughout last night, some Palestinians on social media echoed Halabi’s statement that a third Intifada had taken root. A source close to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu remarked, “They want a third intifada? They’ll get a second Defensive Shield,” according to Israel Hayom.

Defensive Shield is the name of the Israeli military operation during the second Intifada designed to use shock and awe tactics against Palestinian communities to deter suicide attacks. It was the largest army incursion in the West Bank since the June 1967 war and left 497 dead. During this period the Israeli military brought tanks into every major Palestinian city, enacted curfews across the West Bank, and laid siege to the compound of then-chairman of the PLO, Yasser Arafat.

Today PLO Central Committee member Hanan Ashrawi responded sharply to the Israeli tactics.

“The collective punishment that the Palestinian people have suffered over the past 48 hours, including Israeli settler and military attacks against civilians, proves that the Israeli government is deliberately creating a situation of violence and instability that threatens to spiral out of control,” she said. “This government is thereby attempting to create the conditions for a new ‘Defensive Shield’ operation similar to that of 2002 in which the Israeli Army carried out the senseless destruction of Palestinian lives, infrastructure and institutions.” 

The head of Israel’s opposition was also critical of the government. Issac Herzog said early this morning, “Netanyahu has lost control over the security of Israeli citizens and Jerusalem.”

A meeting of Israel’s security cabinet was announced today. Netanyahu is expected to declare new policies to quell the spiraling turmoil. Last Monday night settlers carried out “price tag” attacks against across the West Bank including the firebombing of a vehicle as reprisal for the drive-by shooting and killing of a settler couple in the northern West Bank the previous day.

This meeting comes two weeks after Netanyahu declared a relaxing of Israel’s live-fire policy, approving sniper fire aimed at Palestinian stone throwers and steep prison sentences for stone throwers.

In response to the on-going strife surrounded al-Aqsa mosque, Jordan, the steward of the Muslim holy site, has said that it is mulling recalling its ambassador from Israel.

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  1. zaid
    October 4, 2015, 2:11 pm

    “According to what I see, the Third Intifada has erupted. What is happening to al-Aqsa [mosque] is what is happening to our holy sites, and what is happening to the women of al-Aqsa is what is happening to our mothers and women. I don’t believe that our people will succumb to humiliation. The people will indeed rise up.”

    “Oh God, look at the situation we’ve reached. This is completely unreasonable. Anger, anger and more anger. Wake up from your slumber and save al-Aqsa. Let the revolution erupt.”

    . “According to the law, you have the full right to defend yourself against he who points a weapon at your face. Resistance lies within the boundaries of the law.”

    “Nice speech Mr. President, but we do not recognize east and west Jerusalem. We know only that Jerusalem is one, undivided, and that every part of it is holy. Excuse me, Mr. President, but what is happening to the women of al-Aqsa and to al-Aqsa will not be stopped by peaceful measures. We were not raised to be humiliated.”

    “Defending the sanctity of al-Aqsa and its women is our pride and honor,” he continued. “Defending those with all means would be considered legal. I thank your efforts, Mr. President.”

    He then proceeded to liken “Palestine” to a young orphan girl whose brothers had forsaken her to “an evil man with no children, who does not know how to treat children.” In Halabi’s parable, the evil man, symbolizing Israel, was unable to rape Palestine, but nevertheless “starved her, denied her rights, imprisoned her and burned her.”

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-third-intifada-is-here-jerusalem-terrorist-wrote-day-before-attack/

  2. Les
    October 4, 2015, 4:59 pm

    According to Amira Hass, Abbas is helpless to stop the violence, in part because,

    “What his public sees is the resounding failure of his way and defeatism at best, and conscious collaboration with Israel at worst. Thus, even Abbas, who is out of touch with his public more than any other Palestinian leader, cannot ignore the scorn for him and the descent of his status to an unprecedented low. ”

    //www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.678765

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.678765

  3. echinococcus
    October 4, 2015, 5:00 pm

    “the innocent and pure” indeed, both settler-soldiers, both fundamentalist, and where none had a right to be. And that’s what you get even by random choice during an insane gesture.

    At this point, the only way the Zionist entity might protect its civilian population would be to issue uniforms to the certified civilians.

  4. Bandolero
    October 4, 2015, 5:08 pm

    Joke of the day: Jordan, the steward of the Muslim holy site, has said that it is mulling recalling its ambassador from Israel.

    As if King Playstation would ever do anything what his Las Vegas masters dislike.

    If it would be for real, Jordan would be shipping weapons and fighters for the liberation of Palestine instead of targetting the resistance in Syria.

  5. just
    October 4, 2015, 7:48 pm

    “‘Let the People of Israel Enter the Gates and Kill Arabs’

    Racist violence has erupted following terrorist attacks in the past, but this time it seems that the Jewish mob which took to the streets was accepted by Jerusalemites with understanding, if not downright approval.

    Just like after every other terror attack in recent years, young Jews vented their anger with racist violence for several hours, attacking Arab passersby in Jerusalem on Saturday …

    However, in contrast to previous incidents, this time it looked like a very big group and that Jewish residents of Jerusalem accepted their behavior with understanding, as part of the terror routine.

    Shortly after the terror attack, in which a Palestinian stabbed to death two Jews, hundreds of people, mostly youths, gathered at Zion Square, answering a call to demonstrate and demand revenge. Bentzi Gopstein, head of Lehava, and right-wing extremists Itamar Ben Gvir and Baruch Marzel were prominent, but they only seemed to be leading the event. In practice, this crowd had no leader but was fueled by a feeling of hate and the desire to take revenge.

    Among the demonstrators were Lehava activists, wearing black shirts, young ultra-Orthodox Jews, well-known local right-wing activists and many foreigners, speaking English and French, who joined the mob, and at least one Evangelist preacher, who called on the people of Israel to awaken. In contrast to the past, it looked like women took a significant part in inflaming passions.

    “We have to kill them all, including the Arab Druze in the army,” explained one woman to her girlfriend.

    It started as a kind of protest of rage, with the familiar calls of “death to terrorists,” “revenge” and “the people demand security.” However, it quickly switched to the no-less familiar calls of “death to Arabs,” “an Arab is a bastard, a Jew is a good soul” and other songs from the fairly limited racist repertoire of the far right in Jerusalem. Some of the organizers sought to lead the mob through Damascus Gate and the Muslim Quarter in the Old City to the site of the terror attack. The police was not about to let that happen and blocked their way between Zion Square and Jaffa Road.

    From there, gangs of youths ran amok looking for Arab victims. But Arab workers in central Jerusalem are used to such events, and the vast majority of them fled home before the rioting. Even on the light rail cars, that often serve the Arab population, there were no Arabs. The Jewish youths blocked the rail in the square and “interviewed” passengers to determine their identity.

    “Are you an Arab? Are you an Arab?” they called out to a passenger who was probably wise enough to smile without answering.

    “Leave him alone. He’s a Jew,” said one of the attackers, and they moved on to look for the next victim. The rest of the passengers responded apathetically and tried to look the other way. There were many drivers who honked in solidarity and vocally supported them. The cafes and restaurants along Jaffa Road were full of people watching the march of hatred passing back and forth.

    They found one victim in Mamila Mall, a kitchen worker at the Roladin café who had stepped out for a cigarette. They sprayed teargas in his face. A Palestinian taxi driver was attacked, and when he tried to flee he hit and lightly injured a pedestrian. Dozens of Jewish youths stormed the central Ben Yehuda Street looking for Arab workers. On Jaffa Road, policemen were forced to accompany a vehicle of municipal sanitation workers. At Zion Square, they massed around a circle of people participating in the “Medabrim Bakikar” dialogue group and threatened to assault a Palestinian woman.
    But these random victims did not sate their urge and after midnight there was a mass run toward Damascus Gate. They were stopped before the gate by police and pushed back with clubs toward the Musrara neighborhood.

    “Let the people of Israel enter the gates and kill Arabs,” one of the youths shouted at the police. “Where were you at seven in the evening? Go beat up Arabs,” a female demonstrator cried, referring to the terror attack earlier that night. Meanwhile, they ran back and forth, following false rumors of Arab passersby and undercover agents hiding among them with calls of death to Arabs.

    At 4 A.M., Fadi Alon, a 19-year-old resident of Isawiyya, arrived at the scene. According to the police, he was armed with a weapon and was planning to make an attack. He managed to stab one youth and injure him moderately before he fled and was shot to death by police, who were being egged on by the demonstrators.

    Alon’s family asserts that he was caught up in the place by accident, when he went out for a jog and was only seeking to defend himself. His death has set off fears of violence in Isawiyya. There have been over 20 wounded in clashes between police and youths from the village. His father and uncle have been arrested by police.”

    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.678800

    This is what impunity for the myriad crimes that Israel is has become. The very wicked idea of supremacy/chosenness is what prompted this disaster.

  6. Mondowise
    October 4, 2015, 8:16 pm

    “… and until last year Israel had enacted a moratorium against leveling homes as punishment.”

    as usual, iZrael commits to policy on being criminals, fully aware of international law.

  7. John Douglas
    October 4, 2015, 10:36 pm

    I can’t say I understand this situation very well, but it occurs to me that the Israelis acts at el Aksa are to provoke the Palestinians to take the fight to Israel’s strength. Hamas and Hezbollah defeated the IDF in Gaza and Lebanon by remaining on defense (as Pericles led the Athenians to do against overpowering Sparta, sorry for the pedantry). The Palestinians have had many victories, BDS for example, by using violent means only in defense.

  8. Accentitude
    October 5, 2015, 2:20 am

    Israel very much wants it to be a 3rd Intifada. They’re literally the ONLY people that want a 3rd Intifada. The Palestinians aren’t looking forward to being slaughtered butchered, tortured, imprisoned, having their homes bulldozed and their lands confiscated; they’re not interested in losing their jobs and their financial security or not being able to send their kids to school. No one wants checkpoints, road closures, curfews, or 20 effing years for throwing a stone.

    At the same time, we all know that this bullshit called Occupation is not sustainable and neither is the Palestinian Authority who has the lowest approval rating since their inception. I read somewhere around 31% of Palestinians support them. Everyone sees them as sub-contractors to the occupation despite all the fancy speeches and nationalist flag waving on TV. Something has got to give. This shit has been going on for nearly 70 years. Enough is enough.

  9. John O
    October 5, 2015, 3:14 am

    “Lehava activists, wearing black shirts…”

    Words fail me.

  10. amigo
    October 5, 2015, 6:51 am

    And these people are the descendants of those massacred in the Holocaust.Those who bequeathed the concept of ” Never Again”.

    Go figure.

    • RoHa
      October 5, 2015, 7:24 am

      I thought they were the descendants of those who were not massacred in the Holocaust.

      • amigo
        October 5, 2015, 10:45 am

        “I thought they were the descendants of those who were not massacred in the Holocaust. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/launched-palestinian-jerusalem#comment-154784” RoHa .

        Sorry, teach.I will try to do better.

        Speaking of massacres , did you have to treat your fellow commonwealth people so harshly in the RWC .Poor mother England , kicked out of their own tournament by one of the colonies.

      • RoHa
        October 5, 2015, 7:11 pm

        Anyone dim-witted enough to play or care about any kind of football deserves any grief they get.

    • Kay24
      October 5, 2015, 9:40 am

      Amigo “never again” are the two words owned by Israel, and they act like they have the only right to use it, to cover their crimes against humanity. Those under Israeli occupation, have no right, nor can they justify their resistance, and use it. The zionist rule book.

  11. Ossinev
    October 5, 2015, 7:24 am

    Sadly I fear that there will be an increasing number of these Zionist variations on Kristallnacht. Ben Nitay in his desperation to stay in the glory seat has surrendered control to the extremist thugs and they ,ignored by their fellow travellers in the IDF and Zionist Police, and egged on by the unhinged Zehada activists will soon be in charge of the streets. Next worrying development for poor old Nitay will be Western governments advising their citizens not to travel to the “Land of Creation” as it has become too dangerous specifically if you are not Jewish.

    BTW and slightly off script – where is good old Mark Regurgitev when Nitay needs him. I do so miss his dulcet Aussie tones and his catchy trademark one liners such as “Let`s be clear Hagggghmas is a terrorist organisation” and “It`s a proven fact that Hagggghmas uses civilians as human shields” Now that he he is ambassador to the UK he must have been advised to keep a low profile as Pommieland TV is infested with intelligent,cultured and incisive Jon Snow type interviewers.

  12. K Renner
    October 5, 2015, 10:52 am

    It’s pretty clear that the “settlers” are not and should not be considered as innocent civilians in the context of the occupation of the Palestinian West Bank.

    Running around screaming with uzis, burning crops and attacking Palestinian vehicles, looking for “dirty Arabs” to try and lynch?

    All with the protection and blessing of the Israel Border Police and the IDF?

    These people are hostile and playing the role of quasi-combatants. Legitimate targets for Palestinians as far as I’m concerned.

    • AaronAarons
      October 5, 2015, 1:50 pm

      And what about those who sit in legislatures, or in offices at their computers, and provide material support, particularly arms and money, for the Jewish State? Are they any more innocent than those who supply material aid to the Islamic State?

      • K Renner
        October 6, 2015, 8:21 am

        No, but they’re not justifiably legitimate targets unless they’re directly engaging in violent attacks against Palestinians in the way that the “IDF” and the “settlers” do.

        They’re morally repugnant by all means in this regard, but the worst thing you can do to these ones is hit them if they get all in your face when the two sides confront one another at demonstrations.

      • echinococcus
        October 6, 2015, 9:09 am

        Is this making sense? Aarons described the ones officially accused as war criminals, i.e. those potentially indictable, those who will be judged and if the indictment holds be sentenced, unlike the riffraff who directly perform under their orders.

      • Mooser
        October 6, 2015, 2:01 pm

        Are they any more innocent than those who supply material aid to the Islamic State?

        “Aaron, ixnay, man! You don’t want to go there. I mean okay, if you’re another, there’s-a-big-steaming-pile-lets-step-in-it kind of guy, go ahead.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      October 6, 2015, 1:17 pm

      I’ve always wondered just what the status of ‘settlers’ is under international law? Are they considered civilians? Or legitimate targets? Or somewhere in between? I do know that the Geneva Convention does not regard them as ”protected persons” but I’m not sure exactly what that means in practice.

      Where’s Hostage when you need him….?

      • Mooser
        October 6, 2015, 1:27 pm

        “I’ve always wondered just what the status of ‘settlers’ is under international law? Are they considered civilians?”Where’s Hostage when you need him….?

        Call for Hostage, and get Mooser, hoo-boy, is this place going down hill! But I’ll take a stab at it: Whether they are civilians or not, they are still criminals. They are dangerous, habitual criminals. In fact an organized crime.

      • ckg
        October 6, 2015, 1:43 pm

        HRW has a lengthy discussion of the circumstances under which an Israeli settler in occupied territory is legally a combatant and when he is a civilian. http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/isrl-pa/ISRAELPA1002-04.htm

      • Mooser
        October 6, 2015, 2:02 pm

        Combatant or civilian, in either case, they are still criminals. Is there any way around that?

      • ckg
        October 6, 2015, 2:08 pm

        Briefly: “Israeli civilians living in the settlements, so long as they do not take up arms and take an active part in hostilities, are noncombatants. When individual settlers take an active part in hostilities, as opposed to acting in legitimate self-defense, they lose their civilian protection and become legitimate military targets during the period of their participation..”

        Also, “International humanitarian law makes clear…that reserve or off-duty soldiers who are not at that moment subject to the integrated disciplinary command of the armed forces are considered civilians until the time that they become subject to military command-meaning, until they are effectively incorporated into the armed forces. Their incorporation into the regular armed forces is most frequently signified by wearing a uniform or other identifiable insignia.”

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        October 6, 2015, 2:18 pm

        That article looks like it was written by Mark Regev!

        And what is ‘legitimate self-defence’ when one is living illegally on occupied land?

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        October 6, 2015, 2:23 pm

        @Mooser

        That’s kind of how I see it too. I get that ‘settlers’ are not exactly ‘combatants’. But since they are party to a war crime, as defined by the Geneva Convention, surely they are ALL (the adults I mean) criminals? Not a single one of them has a legal right to be there. That’s why I ask if they are ‘somewhere in between’ combatants and civlians as regards their legal status. I’d also like to know what exatly is meant by their status as ‘non protected’ individuals under international law.

      • Mooser
        October 6, 2015, 2:29 pm

        “And what is ‘legitimate self-defence’ when one is living illegally on occupied land?”

        I think every one of the settlements has the inalienable right to hang out a white flag, and say “Please don’t shoot, we are unarmed, and there are children here. We are coming peaceably” before they are hauled off.

        Edit: Hoo-boy, does my mind work slow. Go to Hostage’s archive and wordsearch “settlers” or various other terms, and you might just get chapter-and-verse on this stuff.

      • ckg
        October 6, 2015, 2:39 pm

        K Renner Running around screaming with uzis, burning crops and attacking Palestinian vehicles, looking for “dirty Arabs” to try and lynch?

        HRW: “When individual settlers take an active part in hostilities, as opposed to acting in legitimate self-defense, they lose their civilian protection and become legitimate military targets during the period of their participation..”

      • MHughes976
        October 6, 2015, 6:10 pm

        I won’t venture an opinion on law but it does seem to me that every committed member of an armed organisation seriously engaged in killing and taking possession for any cause or in directing that activity is confronting others with a threat, a very immediate one. That person is putting a lethal intention into effect, so isn’t a non-combatant. If the intention is unjust and illegitimate then there are very few (I don’t say absolutely no) things that person can do which amount to legitimate self-defence.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        October 7, 2015, 8:59 am

        While I suppose the ‘settlers’ have the right to protect themselves against physical attack (assuming they’re not taking part in hostilities – other than the hostility caused by their very presence in occupied territory), surely ‘their’ property is a legitimate target? They obtained it through illegal means, and have no right to be there. So I doubt any attacks damaging their homes or ‘settlements’ could be considered illegal.

  13. Theo
    October 5, 2015, 2:06 pm

    All my life I lived and worked with jews and found them talented, generous and friendly. There is no other so small segment of the world´s population that brought forth so many Nobel Price winners, inventors and academic “super” brains, therefore it is incomprehensive how can the same people go to Palestina, set up a fascistic state where even between jews they make a difference, and surpress, no, enslave, the endemic population.

    There is no denial that Israel is the last colonial power ruled by madmen. They could have set up a democratic state, where all have the same rights and write a constitution that fits our times, instead of going back 3,000 years into their myths. Many of those stories in the old testament were proven to be wrong and outright lies by successive israeli scientists. Just to name a few: the jews never were in Egypt, Moses never crossed the sea, there was no 40 years wandering in the desert, etc. I could go on, however we should not forget Adam and Eve, Abraham and Noah. These stories were copied from other civilisations, hundreds of years pior to the israeli migration to the “promised land”.
    Would it be not funny if Greece, Germany, Italy or Egypt would base their laws on their old myths? Yet the jews in Israel do just that and the world says nothing!

    Abbas did what he should have done 15 years ago, after seeing that Israel has no intentions of honoring the Oslo Accord. However, the palestinian leadership was paid off by the USA and Israel and were busy stuffing their swiss or other bank accounts. He let the cat out of the bag at the UN and I have the feeling hard times are coming to our zionist friends. The US learned in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan that you cannot beat a people and win a war with tanks and bombs, if they are ready to fight and die for their freedom. Perhaps the palestinians learn that fighting in narrow streets tanks and heavy artillery are useless, the hungarians chased the soviets out of Budapest with molotov coctails and burned hundreds of their armoured vehicles. The soviets could bring in a great number of fresh troops, however Israel has no such choice.

    • Mooser
      October 5, 2015, 5:43 pm

      “All my life I lived and worked with jews and found them talented, generous and friendly. There is no other so small segment of the world´s population that brought forth so many Nobel Price winners, inventors and academic “super” brains”

      Lucky for them you never met me.

      • Theo
        October 7, 2015, 12:14 pm

        Mooser

        There is always a rotten apple in every basket of those fruits, however it doesn´t change the statistics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • echinococcus
      October 6, 2015, 9:11 am

      They could have set up a democratic state, where all have the same rights and write a constitution that fits our times, instead of going back 3,000 years into their myths

      Logic, please. What’s the point of inventing a “people” and a “nation” and going to all the trouble of a huge mass enterprise of scheming and conquering and murdering for over a hundred years if you are to end up without an embattled, tribal-supremacist state? Just as well sit where you are and be regular citizens of where you already belong. That’s precisely why the so-called Cultural and (real) Liberal Zionists get no traction.

      • yonah fredman
        October 6, 2015, 10:11 am

        echo- “Just as well sit where you are and be regular citizens of where you already belong.” what history book are you reading from? how full of horse manure are you allowed to be?

      • Mooser
        October 6, 2015, 1:06 pm

        “echo- “Just as well sit where you are and be regular citizens of where you already belong.”
        “Yonah” replies: (with some justification. Some.)” what history book are you reading from? how full of horse manure are you allowed to be? “

        Yonah, I’m sure everybody istired of me saying this, so this’ll be the last time (so let’s go UC!) THE PRESENT CHANGES THE PAST!!

        Judging by us, and what we say about ourselves, and what we do NOW, I can find it not-very-shocking if people start thinking Jewish persecution and discrimination never quite happened the way we keep on claiming it did. Better get used to it, Yonah, I’ve been watching it here and indeed, all over, for years, and I think I’m right about this.
        You’ve been so intent on having the ‘past’ (and it’s not even a real past, but let it go) condition the present, and have been told so often that it should (but gee, it doesn’t, does it?) that you are missing the obvious.

      • Mooser
        October 6, 2015, 1:40 pm

        ““They could have set up a democratic state, where all have the same rights and write a constitution that fits our times, instead of going back 3,000 years into their myths” “

        And possibly suffer the same fate as the Jews who went to America?
        No way! Why, that might have made them equals with the Palestinians! Could they risk that?
        In America, which has one of those moderny constitutiony things, Jews get nothing (the FDA doesn’t even enforce kashruth, a basic religious health requirement. The place is nothing but a movable Trefa Banquet!) And look what happened: silent Holocaust” (well, one can imagine something characterized by Peter Noone as “The sound of lovers in love”. But I’d rather not.)

        No, they couldn’t take that risk.

      • echinococcus
        October 6, 2015, 11:52 pm

        BS, Reb Fredman. The war ended in 1945. Nazism was stamped out. Displaced persons went back home, or (for those manipulated by US propaganda) ended in resettlements across various countries. All this, with absolutely no need for any Zionism or any invention of a “Jewish people” or any of that kind of nonsense. Are you understanding what I am saying? Many different peoples suffered under Nazism and in 1945 they were no more. Unlike what you seem to be smoking.

      • Mooser
        October 7, 2015, 12:04 pm

        “The war ended in 1945. Nazism was stamped out. Displaced persons went back home, or (for those manipulated by US propaganda) ended in resettlements across various countries.”

        If I am not mistaken, there were about, at most 300,000 displaced Jewish persons in Europe at the end of WW2. It was that low for some very horrible reasons, but that’s about what it was.

      • echinococcus
        October 7, 2015, 10:43 pm

        Correct, Mooser, again as far as my sources go.
        Can’t see what Mr Fredman is trying to conjure, though. Obviously one has to be alive to go back home, but otherwise?

      • yonah fredman
        October 8, 2015, 3:35 am

        echi- History begins in 1945, does it? There were close to half a million Jews living in Palestine in 1945. I know you propose boats for them today and you propose boats for them in 45, but your boats are an idea, not a fact. And the citizenship you speak of is mockery and lies, not a fact.

      • echinococcus
        October 8, 2015, 4:37 am

        Where do you get your facts, Reb Feldman? At some Zionology Institute? Any immigrating Jew after 1897, when the intent to subvert Palestinian sovereignty by the force of arms had been made manifest, and most certainly after Balfour had confirmed the imperial design, would have been undesirable. Jewish Palestinians (pre-1897) and their descendants are excepted, of course.
        The citizenships I speak of are those held or originally held by the illegal immigrants. In some countries there may be difficulties due to the Zionist wars of aggression, but all other countries will keep the citizenships, also for direct descendants. Those who don’t like the citizenship of either parent will find no opposition in the US that they are already swarming.

        Also, from what I hear the Palestinian people are extremely generous, unlike the Zionist riffraff; I have heard practically no opposition to giving citizenship to the local-born (much more generous than, say, Germany) but it’s hard to project to a future general referendum. Meanwhile, do you believe many would ask for Palestinian citizenship and stay?

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      October 6, 2015, 1:22 pm

      “They could have set up a democratic state, where all have the same rights and write a constitution that fits our times, instead of going back 3,000 years into their myths”

      What right did they have to set up a state – ‘democratic’ or otherwise – on another people’s land?

      • Theo
        October 7, 2015, 12:12 pm

        Maxi

        Please do not forget there were jews for over 2,000 years in Palestina and many more came after 1945, so we cannot trully say “on another people´s land”. They were also natives, although in a minority, and also had the same rights as the palestinians.
        What they did after the UN gave them the rights to declare a state of Israel is the problem.

      • echinococcus
        October 7, 2015, 10:45 pm

        Theo,

        And who gave the UN the right to “give the rights to declare a state” on other people’s land? Not to “Jews”, mind you, but to Zionist invaders.

  14. kalithea
    October 5, 2015, 3:21 pm

    Why the photos of Zionist occupiers on this main page? Why not the photos of two of the Palestinian young men murdered in cold blood in the last 2 days by Zionist occupiers? And their names:

    Fadi Samir Alloun (19 years old)

    http://www.imemc.org/attachments/oct2015/alloun.jpg

    Huthaifa Othman Sulaiman (18 years old)

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154282728975760&set=a.437133825759.225407.531065759&type=3

  15. kalithea
    October 5, 2015, 8:39 pm

    Just watched the video of the moment the reporter was hit; no doubt about it, she was targeted.

    So first of all, the occupied are not terrorists; they’re resisting terrorists who are occupying their land and the occupier will eventually erase them from existence. That’s the plan and anyone who thinks different is hiding from reality. Now that I got that cleared up…

    Palestinians can’t fight with sticks and stones, knives and tin can rockets? Zionists are now equating knives with AK’s, stones with bullets and rockets with 1 ton bombs to justify the slaughter of hundreds and thousands every year – genocide by quota with undefined criteria just like Israel’s constitution. But the Zionist meme: the Palestinian (baby) is trying to erase us from the planet defies all reason when you’re storing hundreds of thousands of nukes in your already monstrous arsenal.

    I’ve stated that it’s going to take more than mere words to defeat this thing called Zionism. I’ve stated that what’s needed is a revolution of people standing up for justice in this world; but that’s like whistling in the wind. I’ve stated that there will be more bloodshed to come in that land because we haven’t witnessed the worst of it yet.

    Zionism is no better than a sadistic cult; Palestinians are an inconvenience, a problem that Zionism cannot co-exist with indefinitely. There will be hell in that land and it won’t be a hell created by Palestinians. Those Zionist lynch mobs are the tip of the iceberg; the mindset is to rid the annoyance and they’re starting to voice what they’ve been wishing all along, and don’t think that this mindset is only among the young riff-raff; no, it starts in the cradle right up to the top. The plan has always been to conquer that land and expel and/or decimate the indigenous Palestinians with the iron wall, oh why mince words?: the iron arsenal!

    How immune to savagery a society we’ve become; how comfortably numb. Where’s the outcry? These Palestinian people have been patient enough; resilient like no other and deserve justice like no other, and the rest of us would crumble much quicker under that kind of Zionist oppression. We’re not bought and sold like our spineless, worthless leaders or bound and gagged by Zionist treachery, and Jews who pretend they sympathize have no excuse whatsoever for not picketing the Lobby night and day and setting up tents there if necessary!

    Guess we haven’t seen Palestinians suffer enough yet in the Zionist coliseum when our outrage is still a whimper. Alas, we must witness yet another slaughter in Gaza or a West Bank ghetto, and yet another and another…!

  16. yourstruly
    October 6, 2015, 12:31 am

    Zionism and Naziism
    same deadly hatred
    different target
    while the world stands by
    genocide
    live

  17. mcohen.
    October 6, 2015, 7:17 am

    not looking good,i think israeli,s are angry over the murder of the family…anything could happen…the treatment of that poor woman after she was stabbed in jerusalem just shows the level of hatred.

    her description below…..

    The widow told Rabbi Lau how she attempted to escape from the terrorist after the stabbing began. “I ran for dozens of meters with a knife in my shoulder, bleeding. Arabs in the area who saw this horrible scene clapped and laughed, and told that they hoped for my quick death. I felt I was about to faint,” she said.

    “I tried to hold on to someone who passed by, and they just shook me off and kicked me, and said ‘die.’”

    • a blah chick
      October 6, 2015, 8:44 am

      And how is this different then when Hadil was killed?

      This is how: the ghouls who stood around taking pictures and laughing as she lay dying will not be punished.

      Why don’t you Zionists demonstrate the humanity you always demand of others.

      • eljay
        October 6, 2015, 1:32 pm

        || a blah chick: … Why don’t you Zionists demonstrate the humanity you always demand of others. ||

        Zio-supremacists feel no obligation to demonstrate humanity. They have repeatedly made very clear their belief that Jews are entitled to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      October 6, 2015, 1:24 pm

      “i think israeli,s are angry over the murder of the family”

      Are Palestinians permitted to get angry over the many, many families murdered by Israel?

      Or is such anger a privilege granted only to the occupiers?

    • echinococcus
      October 7, 2015, 9:55 am

      McCohen,

      So “Israelis” are angry, are they? Well too bad. What more can they possibly do? Commit US-supported genocide? That’s already merrily happening.

  18. Kay24
    October 6, 2015, 8:38 am

    Maybe it is time other Arab nations decided it is time to help these people, and even arm them to “defend themselves”. Stones versus US/Israel made weapons a very unleveled playing field.

    The silence of the Arab nations is deafening, their lack of interest very obvious.

    “Red Crescent: Israeli forces injure Nearly 500 Palestinians in 3 days

    Ma’an News Agency | – –
    BETHLEHEM (Ma’an) — At least 499 Palestinians have been injured in clashes with Israeli soldiers and settlers across the occupied Palestinian Territory since Saturday, the Palestinian Red Crescent said on Monday.
    Spokesperson Errab Foqoha told Ma’an that at least 41 Palestinians had been shot with live rounds, while 143 were injured by rubber-coated steel bullets.
    She said that some 297 Palestinians had suffered excessive tear gas inhalation, while another 18 were injured when they were physically assaulted.
    Israeli forces have also killed two Palestinians, including a 13-year-old boy, in fierce clashes that have swept across the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem since Friday.
    The Palestinian Red Cross on Sunday declared a state of emergency across the occupied Palestinian territory, and said it was putting all its staff, teams and volunteers on standby.
    It decried Israeli “violations” of humanitarian law, and called on the international community to take the “necessary steps” to make Israel comply with international law.”

    Juan Cole article

  19. Elliot
    October 6, 2015, 10:52 am

    Haaretz leads today with a quote from “a senior officer in Central Command” (usually means OC Central Command, Major General Roni Nomeh). He hopes that: “the Palestinians and the settlers will calm down.”
    Besides the paternalism in this statement, it also takes the IDF out of the picture. As if the IDF has done no wrong. Our fine young men in khaki are just doing their best to hold it together while the rival gangs tear up the neighborhood. It’s also classic liberal Zionist. If only the West Bank Palestinians and the settlers would calm down the State of Israel could carry on as normal.

    • eljay
      October 6, 2015, 10:56 am

      || Elliot: … If only the West Bank Palestinians and the settlers would calm down the State of Israel could carry on as normal. ||

                     KEEP CALM
                                and
      LET THE “JEWISH STATE”
                       CARRY ON

    • a blah chick
      October 6, 2015, 12:46 pm

      “Our fine young men in khaki are just doing their best to hold it together while the rival gangs tear up the neighborhood”

      Just like during the Watts riots, except one of those gangs has the National Guard on their side.

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