‘It’s like military reserve duty’: Jerusalem mayor calls on Israelis to carry guns as tension soars

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Jerusalem mayor Nir Barkat, who was recently spotted holding a Glock in an East Jerusalem neighborhood, today suggested Israeli citizens prepare themselves for vigilantism and called for all Israelis with valid gun licenses to carry weapons following soaring tensions.

“The mayor encourages licensed gun owners to carry their weapons to increase security. He himself serves as a personal example of this,” the city of Jerusalem said in a statement.

This afternoon, Palestinians attacked Israelis in three separate incidents. One of the Palestinian assailants, an unidentified man who stabbed four people in Tel Aviv, was killed by Israeli police.

“Given the current escalation [of violence] in the security situation, those with a licensed firearm who know what to do with it must go out with [their weapon] – it’s an imperative,” mayor Barkat said to Army Radio. “In a way, it’s like military reserve duty.”

New metal detector erected by Israeli police in Jerusalem's Old City. (Photo: Israeli police)

New metal detector erected by Israeli police in Jerusalem’s Old City. (Photo: Israeli police)

Israeli police open new checkpoint's inside of Jerusalem's Old City. (Photo: Israeli police)

Israeli police open new checkpoint’s inside of Jerusalem’s Old City. (Photo: Israeli police)

In addition, Israel police spokesperson Luba Samri announced six new metal detectors across East Jerusalem, in the Old City by the Damascus and Lions Gates. Samri indicated not all pedestrians will be required to walk through the machines, only “a selective review of suspicious persons.”

In the past week four Israelis have been killed in attacks and seven Palestinians—five who carried out attacks—have been killed by Israeli security forces as part of harsher measures enacted after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who called for an “all out war” on Palestinians last Sunday. In the last week Israeli forces also wounded more than 630 Palestinians in demonstrations across the West Bank and Jerusalem according to the Palestinian Red Crescent.

Palestinian officials say Israel is responsible for the current wave of violence.

“Instead of de-escalating the situation, Israel has chosen to escalate the situation and provoke and incite the Palestinian people by injuring, killing, arresting more Palestinian civilians as well as demolishing homes belonging to Palestinian families in blatant acts of collective punishment,” said Palestinian Ambassador to Secretary-General of the United Nations Ban Ki-Moon in a letter yesterday.

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  1. a blah chick
    October 8, 2015, 11:56 am

    Barkat needs to be airdropped onto a hill in Afghanistan. Let him see what it’s like to tangle with real Jihadis without a security detail.

  2. K Renner
    October 8, 2015, 12:25 pm

    Palestinians should be carrying guns.

    No matter what happens, if it gets too bad, the PA forces will intervene on the side of their own people. It’s inevitable.

    • Emory Riddle
      October 8, 2015, 2:25 pm

      Tel Aviv and Jerusalem have become more violent, more racist versions of 1950s Birmingham Alabama.

      • K Renner
        October 9, 2015, 5:31 pm

        Looks that way. Palestinians have every right to use lethal force against the “death to Arabs” crowd, which is notorious for trying to destroy Palestinian property if not Palestinian lives whenever they get the chance.

        I don’t think it’s going to die down this time. Things seem to be getting more intense.

  3. Citizen
    October 8, 2015, 12:45 pm

    No gun debate in Israel.

    • bryan
      October 8, 2015, 3:26 pm

      No gun debate in the USA – so let’s cut out the double standards. The execution of suspected offenders, without due legal process, is wrong in both states – so let’s cut out the stuff about “no daylight between us”, unless we precisely define what that means. I suspect that you may be more principled than that Citizen, but you may have to condemn the culpability of both for the immunity provided to assassinations by “security” forces.

      • Citizen
        October 9, 2015, 6:48 am

        I do condemn abuse of police power & I do think it’s not “just a few rotten apples”–the fish rots from the head down. Further, our police are often now trained by Israelis. But I still maintain there’s a gun debate in USA & it’s a subject during the current POTUS candidate campaigns. That’s not so in Israel, and never has been; instead, Israel has made a posse out of its settler civilians. Settlers have long had carte blanche open carry privilege.

  4. Elliot
    October 8, 2015, 4:34 pm

    “Jerusalem mayor Nir Barkat, who was recently spotted holding a Glock in an East Jerusalem neighborhood, today suggested Israeli citizens prepare themselves for vigilantism and called for all Israelis…”

    Surely, Nir Barkat wasn’t calling all Israelis to bear arms, only Jewish Israelis. If all Israelis were armed, it would be a shoot-out between the two sides.

    • a blah chick
      October 8, 2015, 5:35 pm

      ““Jerusalem mayor Nir Barkat, who was recently spotted holding a Glock in an East Jerusalem neighborhood…” Yep, that’s sure to de-escalate the situation!

      Would you like to lay a bet on when the first vigilante or undercover cop is shot by one of Barkat’s heroes?

    • oldgeezer
      October 8, 2015, 7:03 pm

      @Elliot

      My exact thought as well. We can also safely presume suspicious people will be all non-Jews.

  5. eljay
    October 8, 2015, 4:43 pm

    Jerusalem mayor Nir Barkat, who was recently spotted holding a Glock in an East Jerusalem neighborhood, today suggested Israeli citizens prepare themselves for vigilantism and called for all Israelis with valid gun licenses to carry weapons following soaring tensions.

    Mr. Barkat should be:
    – suggesting that Israelis leave the Occupied City of Jerusalem and return to within the Partition borders of their state; and
    – calling on the U.S. and other major world powers to liberate his city from the oppressive clutches of the rogue “Jewish State”.

  6. Eva Smagacz
    October 8, 2015, 6:56 pm

    Oh, great – does that mean that dispute whether civilians are legitimate targets for the anti-Occupation Palestinian resistance fighters have finally been settled?

    There are, after all – finally openly admitted to be – militias.

    ( Suicide bombers attacking civilian targets can’t be painted quite so evil any more ?)

  7. JWalters
    October 8, 2015, 7:14 pm

    Periodic provocation and escalation of violence is longstanding Israeli practice.

    That’s because war, not a safe haven, is the actual purpose of Israel and its ongoing conflict. For newer readers, see “War Profiteers and the Roots of the War on Terror”.

    • Jackdaw
      October 9, 2015, 1:58 am

      Back in June of this year, and Arab tried to stab a Haredi Jew in Jerusalem.

      http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/WATCH-Jerusalem-Mayor-Nir-Barkats-bodyguards-tackle-Palestinian-terrorist-after-stabbing-attack-391824

      That’s June.

      • Annie Robbins
        October 9, 2015, 4:02 am

        “an alleged Arab terrorist … identified by police as a 19-year-old Palestinian”

        so the perp and the victim are unidentified. only the courageous mayor is named. right.

      • talknic
        October 9, 2015, 5:58 am

        @ Jackdaw “Back in June of this year…”

        Back in 1897 Zionist thieves began to colonize Palestine. They’re still at it, lying, cheating, killing, dispossessing, dragging Judaism down to their level, attracting the worst of humanity to their vile cause

      • Mooser
        October 9, 2015, 11:17 am

        “Back in June of this year, and Arab tried to stab a Haredi Jew in Jerusalem.”

        And here are the pictures!

    • Jackdaw
      October 9, 2015, 11:18 am

      @talknic

      “Back in 1897 Zionist thieves began to colonize Palestine”

      For the umpteenth time. See ‘Dispersion and the Longing for Zion, 1240-1840’
      http://azure.org.il/include/print.php?id=264

      That’s 600 years of repeated attempts by religious Zionists to return to Eretz Yisroel.

      • Mooser
        October 9, 2015, 12:27 pm

        “That’s 600 years of repeated attempts by religious Zionists to return to Eretz Yisroel.”

        So what? Good for them, I hope those “religious Zionists” found salvation in Palestine. What on earth does that have to do with it? Did they build up some kind of political or legal “cred” by doing this?

        BTW, if anybody needs some good laughs, it’s fun to read about those 600 years of schmendriks and schlemiels

        BTW, “Jackdaw”, it’s the “longing” for Jerusalem that is the Jewish religious part. Actually attain it, and well, you turn into something like you.

      • Jackdaw
        October 9, 2015, 2:36 pm

        @Mooser

        “I hope those “religious Zionists” found salvation in Palestine”

        No. They did not find salvation.
        For the most part, they were treated like ‘dhimmis’.

      • Mooser
        October 9, 2015, 4:37 pm

        “For the most part, they were treated like ‘dhimmis’.”

        Exactly! Don’t you see, “Jackdaw”? Look, what’s the one constant of life on earth? The one thing you can depend on in this crazy mixed-up world? You know what it is, it’s that nobody likes us, and everybody wants to do us down and dirty. Gee, that doesn’t suggest a solution? Easy! You “briar patch” Palestine. That means you tell the Gentiles, when they expel us “Just don’t send us to Palestine, anyplace rather than that!” or if there’s a pogrom, we just say “This is awful, but at least we’re not in Palestine.”
        You make out like there’s a big prohibition in the religion, (we’ll call it the “three strong oaths” or some flim-flam) against going back to Palestine or God Forbid, being responsible for the place.
        And before you know it, in their desire to do us down, they start sending us there, and insist we run the place, just to punish us! You know that, that’s how they are!
        Any Zionist movement which couldn’t figure out that simple technique isn’t worth considering, really

      • Mooser
        October 9, 2015, 4:40 pm

        “For the most part, they were treated like ‘dhimmis’.”

        I’m sorry, Jackdaw, I’m not up on my Arabic. “Dhimmis” means “a bad tipper” doesn’t it? Or a guy who doesn’t pay the mortgage, I think.

      • Jackdaw
        October 9, 2015, 5:20 pm

        @Mooser

        “what’s the one constant of life on earth?”

        That you’re short on facts and desperately unfunny?

      • Mooser
        October 9, 2015, 7:25 pm

        Hey, Jackdaw, do you know what the second Joel Chandler Harris story in the Uncle Remus series was?

      • Jackdaw
        October 10, 2015, 3:09 am

        @Mooser

        “Jackdaw, do you kseriesnow what the second Joel Chandler Harris story in the Uncle Remus ?”

        Uhhh…..“Jacky-my-Lantern”??

      • YoniFalic
        October 11, 2015, 5:35 am

        Shlomo Sand debunks this nonsense about the longing of religious “Zionists” (descended wholly from convert communities) to “return” to “Eretz Yisrael” from p. 124 through p. 132 in The Invention of the Land of Israel.

        On p. 130.

        …it is evident that journeying to the Land of Israel was no more than a marginal practice in the life of the Jewish communities. All comparisons between the numbers of Christian and Jewish pilgrims reflect that Jewish trips to the Holy Land were a drop in the ocean. We know of approximately thirty texts that provide accounts of Jewish pilgrimage during the seventeen hundred years between 135 CE and the mid-nineteenth century. By contrast, for the fifteen hundred years between 333 CE and 1878, we have some 3,500 reports of Christian pilgrimages to the Holy Land.

        Personally, if I never see the State of Israel again, it will be too soon. When the State of Palestine is proclaimed in all the land from the Mediterranean to the Jordan River, I will visit to congratulate my native Palestinian friends.

      • Jackdaw
        October 11, 2015, 8:52 am

        @Yoni Phallic

        Shlomo Sand has debunked nothing.

        Every hundred or so years, religious Zionists, en mass, would attempt to return to Eretz Yisroel. Yes, the numbers were small.
        But you and Shlomo Sand miss the point.

        These Jews who did migrate to Eretz Yisroel, were treated badly and/or chased out. Given time and treated reasonably by the authorities, as was the case in 16th century Safed, the Jews flourished in Eretz Yisroel.

        For the most part, however, these waves of returning religious Jews, whatever their number, weren’t given the chance to settle, flourish and grow in numbers.

        Sands discussion of Christian pilgrimages is a canard. Christian pilgrims visited the Holy Land and returned home. Many Jewish pilgrims did the same, but the religious Zionists I cited to had attempted to permanently return to Eretz Yisroel but were persecuted.

        The only thing that Shlomo Sand has proven is that he’s a willingly ignorant psuedo scholar.

        Yoni. You cannot refute what I’ve said, can you?

      • Mooser
        October 11, 2015, 1:06 pm

        “All comparisons between the numbers of Christian and Jewish pilgrims reflect that Jewish trips to the Holy Land were a drop in the ocean.”

        That darned acculturation gets us every time! Everybody wants to do what the Gentiles are doing.

      • YoniFalic
        October 11, 2015, 2:36 pm

        It’s an old saying among Jewish and Christian Germans.

        “Wie es sich christelt, so jüdelt es sich”.

      • YoniFalic
        October 11, 2015, 2:57 pm

        @Jackdaw, it took me a while to understand the jokes about my family name, but my wife says I should take them as a deserved compliment.

        I’m just not impressed that since the 12th-13th century a rabbi and a dozen or so students emigrated to Palestine every 100 years or so to set up a kolel.

        There was no Zionism in such emigration to Palestine, and the rabbinical leaders would almost certainly have been disgusted by the ideology of Zionism. These kolalim lived on communal charity. If there was a superfluity of kolalim, the members had to move somewhere else. Palestine was a rational choice because a Palestinian kolel could send emissaries to many Jewish communities throughout the world to find wealthy donors willing to support a kolel in Palestine.

        When Poland collapsed and was divided, the economy fell apart, and many kolalim relocated to Palestine. As the economy improved under the Germans and the Austrians a lot of the members of the kolalim returned.

        As for the treatment of the members by Palestine, all the documentation indicates that the natives welcomed Jews that came to Palestine for religious reasons, but often the conditions under which everyone lived were far harsher than those under which Jews lived in Europe. For this reason many kolel members returned to Europe.

        As we get closer to the modern period, we find that religious communities tended to send eccentrics and other people considered disruptive to Palestine.

        The virgin of Ludmir seems to be an example of an eccentric encourage to emigrate to Palestine.

      • Mooser
        October 11, 2015, 3:50 pm

        Thanks, Yoni!

      • Mooser
        October 11, 2015, 4:31 pm

        “The Virgin of Ludmir was the name given to Chana Rachel Webermacher (1805-1888), born in the town of Ludmir, Volhynia (now the Ukraine).
        Webermacher was an unusual person. At one point in her life she decided to take on many of the ritual practices usually reserved for men, such as wearing Talit and T’fillin (possibly even wearing 2 pairs of T’fillin).
        Due to community pressure in Ludmir, she got married, but quickly got divorced. She may have even gotten married and quickly divorced a second time.

        Webermacher gained the reputation (Ed: I bet she did!) as a holy woman and in 1860, she made Aliyah and moved to Jerusalem. “Possibly the first Hassidic feminist?

      • Kris
        October 11, 2015, 6:35 pm

        The “Virgin of Ludmir” was married once or twice. She must have been a “virgin by intent,” like Steinbeck’s “St. Katy the Virgin.”

      • talknic
        October 12, 2015, 2:53 am

        @ Jackdaw For the umpteenth first ” time. See ‘Dispersion and the Longing for Zion, 1240-1840’ “

        Uh huh… it’s a pity you don’t read your own sources carefully

        “That’s 600 years of repeated attempts by religious Zionists Jews
        ” to return to Eretz Yisroel”
        http://azure.org.il/include/print.php?id=264

        A) there’s another 1400 or so years …

        B) From your source

        On the basis of this evidence, it seems that Dinur was largely correct in his understanding of the centrality of the land of Israel and aliyot in the centuries preceding Zionism, while his critics erred. The work of scholars such as Joseph Hacker, Yisrael Yuval, Binyamin Ze’ev Kedar, David Tamar, Elhanan Reiner, and Avraham David, as well as my own research, indicates clearly that the land of Israel served as a focus not only of spiritual longing for the Jews in the exile, but also of continual organized aliyot from all over the diaspora. These efforts brought thousands of Jews, including many important scholars and leaders, to settle in Palestine throughout the six centuries that preceded the appearance of Zionism.”

        &

        “Although the number of Jews who succeeded in making the voyage and settling in Palestine never constituted more than a small portion of world Jewry

  8. Eva Smagacz
    October 8, 2015, 7:22 pm

    “Samri indicated not all pedestrians will be required to walk through the machines, only “a selective review of suspicious persons.” ”

    The whole progression to 1939 is accelerating. I am taking bets as to how soon will Zionists persuade themselves that a yellow crescent compulsorily displayed on the Palestinian clothing will be a matter of pure expediency.

    • Elliot
      October 8, 2015, 8:09 pm

      When the violence against Jews gets bad, the Israelis flood Jerusalem with security guards. The security guards engage people in casual conversation. They are on the lookout for an Arab accent in Hebrew.
      I guess it was more difficult in Germany where Jews were culturally assimilated.

    • Jon66
      October 8, 2015, 11:33 pm

      I’d love to take the other side of that bet. Why don’t we say that if Israel requires a yellow crescent within some defined timeframe, I will make a $500 donation to the charity of your choice and if they don’t then you will promise to make the donation to a charity of mine.

      What timeframe works for you? Given the acceleration you describe would one year be acceptable?

      • Annie Robbins
        October 9, 2015, 4:30 am

        she’s taking bets on how soon it will happen, not how soon it won’t. now you both need to find someone to take your bet.

        besides, taking what elliot says into consideration there’s not much difference between a yellow star and opening your mouth to speak. what’s ones choice if either your speech or your silence makes you suspicious jon? either way it’s an identifier. that’s the point isn’t it? still defending the indefensible, eh?

      • Eva Smagacz
        October 9, 2015, 5:02 am

        Jon66,

        I was being sarcastic, but I like the idea of this bet.
        Of course the country that created cherry tomato, and is a start up nation, would choose a sophisticated, high tech version of yellow crescent:

        How about the identity documents that clearly indicate whether person is Jewish or otherwise – with a RFID chip that can be read remotely, and a google glass equipment to identify friend from foe?

        $500 is a nice little sum. But before you commit yourself, do some googling.

      • Jon66
        October 9, 2015, 7:58 am

        Eva,

        I think you misunderstand what the yellow star represents to Jews. It’s an external identifier that distinguishes Jews from rest of population. That’s a far cry from some designation on an ID card.

        Are you suggesting that every Israeli, Palestinian, visitor, tourist, etc. will be wearing Google glasses?

        If you meant Israel will distinguish different populations based upon designation in documents that is different. You intentionally picked your symbols to mimic Nazi practices.

        Annie,
        I don’t see that I defended anything with my statement. I do not believe that Israel will require externally distinguishing marks and so I am willing to bet on “how soon it will happen”. My answer would be never.

      • eljay
        October 9, 2015, 8:28 am

        || Eva Smagacz: The whole progression to 1939 is accelerating. I am taking bets as to how soon will Zionists persuade themselves that a yellow crescent compulsorily displayed on the Palestinian clothing will be a matter of pure expediency. ||

        A good point, well made.

      • Mooser
        October 9, 2015, 12:07 pm

        “I think you misunderstand what the yellow star represents to Jews.”

        We will need the famous Shylock Holmes to figure this one out! The watchdog didn’t bark! I wonder how far the parsley had sunk into the butter?

      • Mooser
        October 9, 2015, 4:47 pm

        “We will need the famous Shylock Holmes”

        Sorry, apparently I combined Mr. Holmes with his brother Mycroft. Won’t happen again

      • Marnie
        October 10, 2015, 5:28 am

        Calm down J66. The zionist state already employs a lovely practice to separate the wheat from the chaff and that’s on the teudat zehut (identity card). If you weren’t born a jew, your card has under nationality ********. If you were born a Jew, under nationality is says Yehudi (Jew). From what I understand, hundreds of thousands of Russian immigrants have the ******** under nationality, along with people who are converts. So if you have ******** on your card, you have no nationality, or your nationality is simply OTHER, because you aren’t considered kosher.

        And that’s just one example of the shit that Jews do to each other. It’s like a yellow star for the not quite Jew enough Jew. Do you begin to understand if they will do that to their own (so-called) people, how easy it is to go real down and dirty with Palestinians?

      • Mooser
        October 10, 2015, 11:48 am

        “The zionist state already employs a lovely practice to separate the wheat from the chaff and that’s on the teudat zehut (identity card).”

        Thank you very much, Marnie. Especially for the last line:

        “Do you begin to understand if they will do that to their own (so-called) people, how easy it is to go real down and dirty with Palestinians?”

        Please remember, “Jon s” is an American living in a settlement. He’s the king of the hill in the Holy Land. You can’t expect him to understand what happens to other Jews in Israel.

  9. Elliot
    October 9, 2015, 9:00 am

    On the West Bank, Jewish villages are easily distinguishable from non-Jewish ones by their red-roofed homes; Jewish cars carry (ironically) yellow license plates to distinguish them from the blue, non-Jewish plates; Jews carry guns, non-Jews don’t; ID papers are different colors too.
    My guess is the next step for the start-up nation is to install chips in ID papers and/or cars which can be scanned from a distance so an undercover Shin Bet operative can unobtrusively scan a crowd for unfriendlies. Police monitoring a demonstration would use the technology to zero in on those who are not carrying the required IDs while getting an instant read on the personal details of everybody else. They could send a squad to arrest a demonstrator’s kid brother before the demo is even over.
    I don’t like dragging the Holocaust into this issue. It’s personal for me. But this question is now on the table and Israelis, of all people, should be much more sensitive to openly marking minorities for discrimination. The yellow star served to mark Jews for the authorities and also to isolate them from the rest of the population. In Nazi Europe, who would ever dare show friendship or support to a Jew wearing a yellow star. Israel is pretty much there with the exception of a few brave souls.

    • a blah chick
      October 9, 2015, 9:30 am

      I heard that the Israeli homes red roofs so the pilots know what houses not to bomb. Don’t know if that’s true but it makes sense.

      • Elliot
        October 9, 2015, 4:32 pm

        @ a blah chick –
        Sure does! Although Jon will be quick to point out that there some new Palestinian developments that have red roofs too. So that makes it all alright, then.

    • Jon66
      October 9, 2015, 9:32 am

      Elliot,

      Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t the yellow plates for ‘Israeli’ cars, not just Jewish cars?

      I agree regarding the Holocaust. We should be able to have a reasoned discussion without the hyperbole. Every enemy of Israel is not Hitler and everything wrong with Israeli society is not Nazi-like.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        October 9, 2015, 12:41 pm

        “Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t the yellow plates for ‘Israeli’ cars, not just Jewish cars?”

        And what percentage of the West Bank ”settlers” are not Jewish, do you think?

        At a rough estimate?

      • Jon66
        October 9, 2015, 1:01 pm

        Max,

        Israeli citizens also drive in the West Bank. Not only settlers.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        October 9, 2015, 1:17 pm

        The ”settlers” are Israeli citizens too: Israel, as you know, has never declared its borders, and then whines incessantly when other states don’t ‘recognise’ it.

        Anyway, I’m sure you’ll agree that virtually 100% of the ‘settlers’ are Jewish. It would stand to reason that the vast majority of other Israelis who visit the OT are also Jewish. I would guess that the percentage of Israelis in the West Bank who are not Jewish is very small, well under 10%. So in effect Israeli = Jewish in this context.

        Do you disagree, in a context where close to 100% of the ”Israeli” inhabitants are Jewish?

      • Jon66
        October 9, 2015, 1:59 pm

        Max,
        As you know 25% of Israelis are not Jewish. I have no idea what percent of those traveling through the West Bank are Jewish. Id prefer not to speculate. I couldn’t agree with your assumption without more data.

      • Mooser
        October 9, 2015, 1:19 pm

        “Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t the yellow plates for ‘Israeli’ cars, not just Jewish cars?”

        “Jon66” (like “Jons”, oddly enough) will come and go without ever acknowledging the settlements or Jerusalem are not part of Israel under any conceivable partition. I doubt he understands it himself ‘They won it fair and square, didn’t they’?

      • Jon66
        October 9, 2015, 2:33 pm

        Mooser,

        I see that I was correct in questioning the yellow plates.

        I am not sure where that quote comes from, but I do not believe that it was me.

        Please do not misquote me.

        As Annie said, “and on aside note, in the future please do not use quotation marks (“stated intent”) unless you’re actually quoting someone, you weren’t.”

      • YoniFalic
        October 9, 2015, 2:23 pm

        The West Bank is a closed military zone. It is against the law in most cases for non settler Israeli citizens to visit. Exceptions are made at certain times (Jewish holidays) so that Jewish invaders can go harass the natives in certain places like Hebron.

      • diasp0ra
        October 9, 2015, 3:01 pm

        @Maximus

        While indeed literally almost every settler is Jewish, the cars are a bit different.

        There is a huge movement of Palestinians living inside the green line into the West Bank for a plethora of reasons, they also drive these yellow licensed plate cars. They don’t outnumber the Jewish settlers by any means when it comes to traffic, but they are still a considerable portion of yellow plate traffic inside the West Bank.

      • Mooser
        October 9, 2015, 3:17 pm

        “Please do not misquote me.”

        I wasn’t quoting you. Did I attribute the quote to you? No. But rest assured, if I do feel like misquoting you, I will do so, and enjoy it immensely.

      • Jon66
        October 9, 2015, 3:57 pm

        Mooser,

        “But rest assured, if I do feel like misquoting you, I will do so, and enjoy it immensely. ”

        You are the pinnacle of integrity.

        With friends like you, the oppressed have nothing to fear.

      • Elliot
        October 9, 2015, 4:26 pm

        @Jon –
        The conversation we were having was whether the marking of the Palestinians by the Israelis is comparable to the Nazi yellow star. I gave you a list and I could give you many more. The blue license gives the Israeli thugs in uniform a license to kill. Tell your fine distinctions to a Palestinian driver from Nablus who is routinely humiliated and risks his life every time he drives in his blue plate car. I’m sure it will make a big difference in the real world.

        “I agree regarding the Holocaust. We should be able to have a reasoned discussion without the hyperbole. Every enemy of Israel is not Hitler and everything wrong with Israeli society is not Nazi-like. ”

        Cut out the smarmy attitude. We do not agree at all. You lie. You are very comfortable with Nazi language – so long as Israel is the one doing it in order to sanitize its terrible abuse of the Palestinians and its Arab neighbors.

      • Jon66
        October 9, 2015, 4:40 pm

        Elliot,

        Please give me an example where I have lied.

        By “fine distinctions”. do you mean facts at variance with your opinions? Please don’t let such things stand in your way.

        I admit I am always looking for common ground amongst people to try to make progress in areas where can agree and discuss those areas we can’t. I try not to be insulting or argumentative.
        Please provide me with an example of my Nazi tendencies

      • Mooser
        October 9, 2015, 4:52 pm

        “Please give me an example where I have lied. “

        Wait a minute, let me guess! Here we go: You never lie deliberately on this blog, not that anybody would know, right? It’s a little promise you made to yourself, right? I knew it!

      • Jon66
        October 9, 2015, 5:18 pm

        Please take your meds, calm down, and get back to me when you are coherent.

      • Elliot
        October 9, 2015, 7:08 pm

        @Jon –
        You are right. You obviously do not support the use of the Holocaust by Israel to justify its crimes.
        And you are right that you are not argumentative. That too is obvious.

      • echinococcus
        October 9, 2015, 7:34 pm

        Jon66,

        You know why Israelians in any country are so generally detested? Why the worst of the worst are the Americans who defected to the Zionists? You know, when the café hangs a “private company” sign as soon as they appear at the door? No, not Zionism. Not the fact that they are most probably jake with the crimes against humanity. Not the noisiness, which already breaks the meter. It’s the arrogance, like yours. Telling Mooser to calm down. Who the frack do you think you are?

      • Jon66
        October 9, 2015, 8:13 pm

        Echi,

        Sorry if I’ve offended you. Mooser was going on about something about not lying on the blog and promises.
        I have no idea what he was talking about, since I haven’t said anything like that. I assumed that had gone off the deep end.
        Perhaps he wasn’t speaking to me at all but he did address himself to me.
        As to the ad hominem attack, I don’t think it’s called for. Perhaps we could stick to the facts instead of name calling

      • Annie Robbins
        October 9, 2015, 8:22 pm

        take your meds… I try not to be insulting or argumentative….

        ….As to the ad hominem attack, I don’t think it’s called for. Perhaps we could stick to the facts instead of name calling

        ad hominems are not limited to name calling. btw, how’s that ziocaine working out for ya? gone off the deepend? calm down, and get back to us when you are coherent.

      • Jon66
        October 9, 2015, 8:35 pm

        Annie,

        Technically, ad hominem attacks are those directed at a persons character rather than their arguments. Mooser was going on about promises and lying on the blog. I had no idea what he was speaking about and my response was related to his nonsensical statement, since he wasn’t really making any rational argument.

        On the other hand, perhaps it was his first exercise of his self declared right to “misquote” me.

      • Kris
        October 9, 2015, 9:22 pm

        @Jon66:

        “Sorry if I’ve offended you. Mooser was going on about something about not lying on the blog and promises. I have no idea what he was talking about, since I haven’t said anything like that. I assumed that had gone off the deep end. Perhaps he wasn’t speaking to me at all but he did address himself to me.

        I am offended, too. Maybe you could add something of value, such as information, to discussions here, and skip the nasty personal attacks like this one on Mooser. You need to click on and read the “About” and “Comments Policy” links at the top of the page.

        Mooser’s comments are extremely valuable to mondoweiss because they keep readers coming back to the discussion. Mooser’s comments are valuable also because his wit and anti-Zionism help non-Jews like me remember that not all Jews are ethnic-cleansing-supporting fascists.

        My favorite Mooser post, which makes me smile every time I think of it:

        Mooser: “I guess I’m just a typical angry anti-Zionist old man. Standing on the front porch yelling at kids: “Get off their lawn”! – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/mooser?keyword=get+off+their+lawn#sthash.rX5hVdpv.dpuf

      • Jon66
        October 9, 2015, 10:10 pm

        Kris,

        I think many of comments are well resources and help to clarify erroneous information.

        As to Mooser being an “angry anti-Zionist old man” there are many causes for this, but one cause is […]

      • talknic
        October 9, 2015, 9:51 pm

        Jon66 “Please give me an example where I have lied”

        Now lemme see … Jon66 is the new name for ….

      • Mooser
        October 9, 2015, 11:06 pm

        “As to Mooser being an “angry anti-Zionist old man” there are many causes for this, but one cause is low testerosterone due to aging. and etc and blah,blah,blah”

        Now, that was an effective, no, a devastating reply. And so subtle, not a bit of ad hominen in it. It should enhance your credibility by several orders of magnitude, and make a male-menopausal laughing-stock out of me.
        Had I known you were capable of such brilliant strokes, I would never have engaged you. I have only myself to blame!

      • RoHa
        October 9, 2015, 11:10 pm

        “Second, there are many, many other reasons why men get grumpy.”

        Yep. After sixty-plus years of idiots, arseholes, and misplaced commas, we have used up our stock of tolerance for them.

      • echinococcus
        October 10, 2015, 1:20 am

        How fast was the descent of Jon66, the 1,200th new “reasonable voice”, to the sewer of the sexual insult slinger degrading all to his own level, that of having political opinions only as a result of his hormones.
        By the way, when I see the level of pure, crass ignorance of medicine, especially in these matters, which would have resulted in an F already in the 1930s, I am tempted to holler:
        “Caution! Risk of Life and Limb! Do not trust your body to a Zionist Butcher (aka Surgeon)! They still believe in fairy tales and witch gossip.”
        It seems that Zionism does not leave any domain untouched in the brain. It addles all.

      • echinococcus
        October 10, 2015, 1:28 am

        Jon666,

        No amount of idiocy on the part of a Zionist can offend me. I expect anything from them.
        As to being surprised by Mooser’s harping on your promises not to lie, etc., sell it to others. As to ad hominem attacks, that you so nicely write about, do you mean like your toilet-paper post on testosterone levels and such? Anyway, in addition to Conduct Unbecoming an M.D., you are also showing an ignorance so deep of things urological and endocrinological that I’d be surprised if you ever had a CME since 1936 or so.

      • Kris
        October 10, 2015, 10:38 am

        Jon66 October 9, 2015, 9:32 am

        Elliot,

        Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t the yellow plates for ‘Israeli’ cars, not just Jewish cars?

        I agree regarding the Holocaust. We should be able to have a reasoned discussion without the hyperbole. Every enemy of Israel is not Hitler and everything wrong with Israeli society is not Nazi-like.

        Mooser October 9, 2015, 1:19 pm

        “Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t the yellow plates for ‘Israeli’ cars, not just Jewish cars?”

        “Jon66” (like “Jons”, oddly enough) will come and go without ever acknowledging the settlements or Jerusalem are not part of Israel under any conceivable partition. I doubt he understands it himself ‘They won it fair and square, didn’t they’?

        Jon66 October 9, 2015, 2:33 pm

        Mooser,

        I see that I was correct in questioning the yellow plates.

        I am not sure where that quote comes from, but I do not believe that it was me.

        Please do not misquote me.

        As Annie said, “and on aside note, in the future please do not use quotation marks (“stated intent”) unless you’re actually quoting someone, you weren’t.”

        Maybe Jon66 is a bot?

        Mondoweiss should consider using the CAPCHA system to make sure that comments are being submitted by humans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAPTCHA

      • Mooser
        October 10, 2015, 11:08 am

        Okay, this is going to an entirely new level!
        Maybe some people didn’t think of this, but Fed-ex delivers overnight. And I ordered every damn testosterone-booster advertised all last night, (I couldn’t sleep, worrying about my T-count) on TV, and they doubled my order, since I ordered in the next ten minutes right now!
        Now if you will excuse me, I’m going to slash away at some brush, charge a tree or two, trumpet a bit, and try to get back in the old rut!

        Thanks for the tip, “Jon66”. Not often I get free medical advice of that quality.

    • Mooser
      October 9, 2015, 12:17 pm

      “I don’t like dragging the Holocaust into this issue.”

      Then don’t. The function of the yellow (simply to match the license plate) Star-o-David in Israel or Jerusalem is completely different. It will be a mark of privilege, and guarantor of rights, and even immunity, and mark one out for correct treatment from Israeli authorities. People will be proud to wear it. It may well be life-saving, in certain situations. Naturally the decal will contain today’s highest tech, a reflective pattern which will be received and integrated into the targeting system of all Israeli weapons and security computer systems.
      And good lard, Elliot, since when have Jews been unwilling to distinguish ourselves by dress or hair or even bodily modification?

      • Mooser
        October 9, 2015, 10:08 pm

        Ah, so it is blue! The license plate, I mean. I didn’t think yellow was right, but I went along with the crowd. I’m like that, always have been.

    • RoHa
      October 9, 2015, 6:19 pm

      “In Nazi Europe, who would ever dare show friendship or support to a Jew wearing a yellow star.”

      The King of Denmark. He declared that if Danish Jews were forced to wear the star, he would wear it too. He also financed the operation to help Danish Jews escape to Sweden.

      • Elliot
        October 9, 2015, 7:04 pm

        @ RoHa – Yes, even the Gestapo in Denmark were not gung-ho about transporting Jews to the death camps (per Hannah Arentdt). And the Patriarch of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church who cajoled the Bulgarian king to take a stand. There were other notable exceptions to the rule, as there are today in Israel.

    • ckg
      October 9, 2015, 8:58 pm

      On the West Bank, Jewish villages are easily distinguishable from non-Jewish ones by their red-roofed homes;

      Plus, Palestinian town buildings have black water tanks on the roof just in case water pressure is cut by the occupiers. The settlers have no worry.

    • jon s
      October 11, 2015, 12:56 am

      Contrary to what Marnie says, Israeli id cards no longer indicate nationality.

      We’ve been over this before:
      http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/the-ice-floe#comment-717698

      Also see here:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_identity_card

      • jon s
        October 11, 2015, 1:03 am

        There seems to be some confusion here.
        Jon s (me) and Jon66 are two different commenters.

      • Kris
        October 11, 2015, 11:44 am

        @js: “We’ve been over this before:”

        Yup. And Marnie, as always, was truthful and accurate. Here’s what we learned when we went over this before:

        Many Israelis are comfortable with the notion that the “nationality” section in our identification cards was cancelled in the year 2002; they would point at the line of asterisks replacing the word “Jewish” or “Arab” or “other” in the IDs issued after this date.

        But this is nothing but an extremely transparent smokescreen. For the appointed officials in charge of the different discrimination junctions, a split second is enough to correctly identify the “national identity” of the citizen standing in front of them with a blue Israeli ID. Jews – and only Jews – have the date of birth registered according to the Hebrew calendar.

        If this is not enough, IDs of non-Jews are the only ones with a seemingly innocent section for the first name of the grandfather. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/discrimination-decisions-nationality#sthash.pYgWcEpn.dpuf

        It is disappointing to me that you consistently post false information. You demonstrate such a lack of respect for everyone who is here to learn and try to grow in understanding, and yet you claim to be a “teacher.”

      • Mooser
        October 11, 2015, 1:12 pm

        “Jon s (me) and Jon66 are two different commenters.”

        True, but not by much. I don’t think anything will be lost by considering you both as one person, each one having an equal half of the wits, of course.

      • Kris
        October 11, 2015, 1:27 pm

        @Mooser:

        “Jon s (me) and Jon66 are two different commenters.”

        True, but not by much.

        How do you know that “Jon s” and “Jon66” are two different commenters? You don’t, really.

      • Mooser
        October 11, 2015, 1:55 pm

        “You don’t, really.”

        Maybe you are right. I’ve taken so many testosterone pills, I’m seeing double.

      • RoHa
        October 11, 2015, 7:07 pm

        “How do you know that “Jon s” and “Jon66” are two different commenters? You don’t, really. ”

        Oh, come on! Jon s has told us that they are different. He wouldn’t lie to us.

      • Kris
        October 11, 2015, 8:36 pm

        My apologies to Mooser and to RoHa. I should have remembered that jon s promised himself not to lie on this blog.

        My bad.

      • Mooser
        October 14, 2015, 12:51 pm

        He promised not to lie “deliberately”.
        “Not that anybody would ever know, of course”

  10. KRN
    October 9, 2015, 11:02 am

    Your headlines is “…As Tensions Soar”? Really?? What is this, the Rudoren Times? Surely you meant, “…Raising Tensions.” #decolonisemondoweiss

    • jon s
      October 11, 2015, 3:43 pm

      Kris,
      I’m pretty sure that I’m just me.

      As to the id card, Marnie stated :” If you were born a Jew, under nationality is says Yehudi (Jew). ”
      Well, I’m a Jew, I have my id here, and it says no such thing. So much for Marnie’s accuracy.

      Obviously , names can be an indication of religion and ethnicity. If a man is named Muhammad, it’s not hard to guess his likely religion . Lifewise if he’s named Moshe Rabinowitz. But that holds true in all countries.

      • echinococcus
        October 11, 2015, 3:56 pm

        John S is hard of hearing now.
        The old cards had the ethnicity.
        The new ones bar it with a row of asterisks.
        Only the Herrenvolk ID has a Hebrew calendar birthdate
        Only the Palestinian ID has the paternal grandfather’s given name.

        And you’re a teacher? Indoctrinating helpless kids to make them dumb anim– pardon, war criminals is a crime. Cease and desist. Come back to the States and get an honorable job while it’s time.

      • Kris
        October 12, 2015, 4:08 pm

        For the appointed officials in charge of the different discrimination junctions, a split second is enough to correctly identify the “national identity” of the citizen standing in front of them with a blue Israeli ID. Jews – and only Jews – have the date of birth registered according to the Hebrew calendar. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/military-jerusalem-israelis#comment-155041

        Jews – and only Jews – have the date of birth registered according to the Hebrew calendar. Nicht wahr, jon-s?

      • Marnie
        October 14, 2015, 12:32 pm

        So Jon you have the ********then, right?

      • Marnie
        October 15, 2015, 12:09 am

        “If a man is named Muhammad, it’s not hard to guess his likely religion . Lifewise if he’s named Moshe Rabinowitz. But that holds true in all countries.”

        What an ingenious diagnostician and critical thinker you believe yourself to be! Wait, you said you were a “humble”. Wow. Of humans? This only proves that in the zionist state, all that’s really necessary to know is if your name is Muhammad or Moshe, you fate is sealed. Say Richard are you one of those critical thinkers, graduates of the zionist school systems, roaming the streets of Jerusalem stopping people with the greeting “Are you a Jew?”

  11. ckg
    October 9, 2015, 8:13 pm

    Not quite O/T: Open carry gun groups around the US have organized a day of anti-Muslim rallies across the country tomorrow Saturday. Rallies are scheduled in Atlanta, Huntsville, Louisville and Ocala, Florida. Here in Dearborn open carry groups are set to protest at the largest mosque in the U.S. and its adjoining elementary school. Anti-Muslim protesters are encouraged by the groups to open carry. This is sick.

    • jon s
      October 12, 2015, 3:52 pm

      hechinococcus
      You’re confusing to different id cards.
      There are Israeli id cards (blue), the ones which no longer indicate nationality, as I pointed out.
      There are Palestinian id cards, issued by the Israeli civil administration (orange) or by the PA (green). Those are the cards which list the grandfather. In other words , the cards with the grandfather are only for Palestinians, in any case.
      Palestinians with blue cards don’t have their grandfathers listed.

      • echinococcus
        October 12, 2015, 4:12 pm

        I’ll defer to your direct knowledge, Johnny, but you are hiding things from me. Half- answers to your best friends? Not the straight bat. Look above what Kris says. True or not?

      • Marnie
        October 14, 2015, 12:31 pm

        You’re lying.

      • Mooser
        October 14, 2015, 12:53 pm

        “You’re lying”

        But not “deliberately”. He made a promise to himself.

      • Marnie
        October 14, 2015, 12:54 pm

        JonASS

        “There are Israeli id cards (blue), the ones which no longer indicate nationality, as I pointed out.”

        You only tried to make it look like I can’t read my own ID card. You’re wrong on this Richard (like so many, many other things).

  12. Ossinev
    October 10, 2015, 6:58 am

    @Eva “The whole progression to 1939 is accelerating. I am taking bets how soon Zionists persuade themselves that a yellow crescent compulsorily displayed on the Palestinian clothing will be a matter of pure expediency”

    You are definitely on the right track Eva however I think the wonderful start up nation which invented the cherry tomato and a host of other groundbreaking contributions to civilisation is quite capable of coming up with something a little more sophisticated than your plain old crescent sewn onto clothing. How about the rounding up and microchipping of all Palestinians and incorporating a built in tracking device.

    • jon s
      October 15, 2015, 2:01 am

      Marnie,
      In answer to your comments:

      Yes, I have the ********.

      I’m lying? How so?

      On your last comment directed at me- somewhat incoherent- you saw fit to do a take on my name (“JonASS”). How mature. Then you refer to “Richard”. My only response is : “huh?”

      • jon s
        October 15, 2015, 2:15 am

        I never denied that any official can infer the nationality of the bearer. Many Jews have the Hebrew date of birth specified, and ,of course, there are typical names.

      • echinococcus
        October 15, 2015, 2:58 am

        John S,

        So. Jews by birth have a Hebrew calendar date of birth. You strenuously denied that nationality is not immediately and definitely visible on ID cards for racial supremacist purposes, while the system is obvious and it does not rely on names, either. You kept a long correspondence just denying that fact… “without lying deliberately”. A real Zionist.

      • Marnie
        October 15, 2015, 2:59 am

        My only response to you is duh, Richard. You could have said in your above response where you wrote “As to the id card, Marnie stated :” If you were born a Jew, under nationality is says Yehudi (Jew). ” Well, I’m a Jew, I have my id here, and it says no such thing. So much for Marnie’s accuracy.”

        Instead of writing that, you could have clearly pointed out you too have the ********under nationality also, instead of casting doubt on the accuracy of my post. Better yet, you could have left it alone! Interesting that you have only now chosen to corroborate my post, doing this only now in response to being called JonASS and Richard (dick, if you prefer). If you don’t lie outright, you leave out details and continue posting the same crap, revelling in the balagan you’ve created, until someone calls you an ass (or dick).

        I apologize for calling you an ass and Richard. I will go all Miss Manners on you and will point out that you might consider responding to echinococcus as just that, instead of writing Hechinococcus. And possibly in future posts, get your line straight from the get go. I can’t imagine how any student of yours could learn anything with your convoluted style of communication. Must be very frustrating for them. I almost feel sorry for them. All you leave them with is a failed bagrut, no hope for the future and lots and lots of anger. Anger that is channeled by the IOF against a civiliam population that has been under the boot of the zionist state for over 70 years.

  13. Les
    October 12, 2015, 6:17 pm

    Please let us know the name of the mayor of East Jerusalem which is on the other side of Israel’s border?

    • echinococcus
      October 15, 2015, 3:02 am

      What border? There is no “Israel’s border” there; it’s a corpus separatum as per UN.
      Being under Zionist entity military occupation, the presence of civilians with “Israel” citizenship is illegal without Palestinian authorization. No East or West in this situation.

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