Video: Israeli military tells Palestinian refugee camp, ‘We will gas you until you die’

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A shocking video has emerged recording a loud verbal threat from the Israeli military to residents of Aida refugee camp near Bethlehem. As a military jeep rolls down an empty quiet street a threatening voice comes over the loudspeaker: “You throw stones and we will hit you with gas until you die.” The words spoken seem almost unfathomable.

Middle East Eye (MEE) reports the video was recorded on October 29 by a youth, 17-year-old Yazan Ikhlayel, on his iPhone. Ikhlayel was at Aida’s community center with a clear view of the road below. As Ikhlayel recorded the scene the jeep slows and then come to a halt as the threats continue. You can begin to see stones being thrown at 0:28 in the video. The threat also warns they were holding a person “one of you” and if Palestinians didn’t stop throwing stones the army would slaughter the person:

Transcript:

People of Aida Refugee camp we are the occupation army. You throw stones and we will hit you with gas until you all die. The children, the youth, the old people, you will all die, we won’t leave any of you alive. And we have arrested one of you, he is with us now. We took him from his home and we will slaughter and kill him while you are watch if you keep throwing stones. Go home or we will gas you until you die. Your families, your children, everyone we will kill you. Listen to me, all of you go home, it’s better for you.

The Middle East Eye spoke with Ikhlayel, “The most important thing I want people to see when they watch this video is to realise what the Israeli ‘democracy’ really is”.  He also insisted this will not stop the protests:

“They have said it for us now, they are an occupation – they said ‘we are the occupation army’. It is proof, this is an apartheid country, it is not democratic at all.”

“This is the first time I heard them say something like that over a speaker for everyone to hear,” Ikhlayel continued.

“The young people aren’t accepting what the soldiers are doing particularly now. They’re going to the streets [to protest] everyday, and they aren’t stopping. They aren’t scared of them.”

When asked if he thinks the soldier’s message would scare the youth enough to stop the protests, Ikhlayel shook his head adamantly.

“This will not stop until the occupation ends,” he insisted.

 

Yazan Ikhlayel speaks to MEE (MEE/Abed al-Qaisi)

Yazan Ikhlayel speaks to MEE (MEE/Abed al-Qaisi)

MEE also interviewed filmmaker and photo journalist Mohammed al-Azza, who has been targeted and attacked by Israeli forces in the past.  Like Ikhlayel, al-Azza also emphasized the soldier’s (unusual) self identification as  “occupation” forces:  

“It’s been a long time since we’ve seen the soldiers get on a speaker like that,” al-Azza said.

“But really we were surprised by one word – usually they call themselves the IDF (Israel Defence Forces), they don’t say the IOF (Israeli Occupation Forces) like we do, but that is something good for us, and for people outside the country to hear. They said it to us, ‘we are the occupation’….

“Usually when we talk about Palestine we are telling people abroad what happened, and it’s usually after the Israelis have done whatever they did, but now it’s good that the people can hear it from the soldiers. They said ‘we are going to kill you and we are going to do this and that’ in their message. It’s very important for international people to hear this sort of stuff that we are hearing all the time from them.”

Ma’an News reports: Israeli soldiers tell Palestinians: ‘We will gas you until you die’:

“In this statement, we see — among a range of potential criminal offences — a public threat to kill Palestinian civilians, and to execute a prisoner,”Simon Reynolds, Legal Advocacy Coordinator at the BADIL Resource Center for Palestinian Residency and Refugee Rights, told Ma’an.

“Though such threats are appalling, they are not necessarily surprising. In light of the mounting civilian death toll among Palestinians, such threats merely add words to the deed.

“What we are seeing is an apparent policy of lawlessness in which Israeli forces can wield deadly force with virtual impunity. Especially troubling is that this is a policy that seems to have, at the very minimum, the tacit acceptance of the highest levels of government.”Numerous rights groups have publicly condemned Israel’s disproportionate military response while policing demonstrations and responding to alleged attacks.

“Indiscriminate or deliberate firing on observers and demonstrators who pose no imminent threat violates the international standards that bind Israeli security forces,”Kenneth Roth, executive director of Humans Rights Watch said on Oct. 11, after a HRW research assistant was shot and injured while observing a demonstration near Ramallah.

 

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  1. Kris
    October 30, 2015, 12:00 pm

    Didn’t the Nazis use gas for killing people, too?

    • lysias
      October 30, 2015, 12:21 pm

      They did indeed, and there is a passage in Mein Kampf that strongly suggests that Hitler had this method in mind against the Jews (whom he blamed for the German defeat in World War One), as revenge for the gassing of himself and many other German soldiers.

      Hätte man zu Kriegsbeginn (1914) und während des Krieges einmal zwölf- oder fünfzehntausend dieser hebräischen Volksverderber so unter Giftgas gehalten, wie Hunderttausende unserer allerbesten deutschen Arbeiter aus allen Schichten und Berufen es im Felde erdulden mußten, dann wäre das Millionenopfer der Front nicht vergeblich gewesen. Im Gegenteil: Zwölftausend Schurken zur rechten Zeit beseitigt, hätte vielleicht einer Million ordentlicher, für die Zukunft wertvoller Deutschen das Leben gerettet.

  2. CigarGod
    October 30, 2015, 12:02 pm

    Surely, they are talking about killing lice in a specially constructed shower of cleansing medicated solution…in a private location.

    • lysias
      October 30, 2015, 12:23 pm

      Zyklon-B was originally developed as an insecticide, until another use was found for it.

      • CigarGod
        October 30, 2015, 12:24 pm

        Yep.

      • Stephen Shenfield
        October 30, 2015, 3:41 pm

        Before the gas chambers were built they used exhaust gas. Victims were crammed into closed chambers at the back of vehicles and the exhaust gas diverted into the chamber to asphyxiate them.

      • Mooser
        October 30, 2015, 4:47 pm

        “Before the gas chambers…”

        If I remember what I’ve read, that horrible exhaust-gas poisoning method proved not very efficient, and the victims often had to be finished off with machine guns. It was abandoned pretty quickly. Although the gas chambers and crematoria will always be the symbol (as they well should be) of the depths reached by Nazi mechanized killing of civilians and Jews (and they were not unused by any means) when all was said and done, the majority of victims fell to the machine-gun bullets and pits of the Einsatzgruppen, and of course the intentional rapid mortality in the slave labor and other concentration camps.

      • Kathleen
        October 30, 2015, 9:12 pm

        Why does the conversation almost always shift to the Holocaust?

      • jd65
        October 31, 2015, 1:30 pm

        @ Kathleen: “Why does the conversation almost always shift to the Holocaust?” I hear you Kathleen. But in this case, folks here are discussing Annie’s piece above which quite clearly, and rightly, is about (at least in part) the grotesquely ironic reference by the IOF to their “gassing” Palestinians to death. So in this case, it’s the IOF who “shifted the conversation to the Holocaust.” People here are simply commenting on how fucked up that shift was made.

      • Mooser
        October 31, 2015, 5:24 pm

        “Why does the conversation almost always shift to the Holocaust?”

        Okay, you caught me. I was hoping you would feel sorry for me. Didn’t work, did it?

      • MRW
        November 2, 2015, 2:58 am

        Around pg 121 or 124 of Hitler’s second book–I’m doing this from memory, so page number detail is poor–is Hitler’s admission of where he got the idea for Zyklon B.

        It’s generally agreed among historians that book 2 was really written by Hitler; Mein Kampf is debatable. Hitler certainly contributed to Mein Kampf, but some say not 100%.

        In book 2, Hitler says he got the idea for Zyklon B from the Americans. They were using it to fumigate Mexicans at the El Paso/Juarez crossover. I found a history of El Paso that covers the first quarter century (includes the Mexican Revolution), and lo and behold, the Hitler reference is in it. Plus photos of American law enforcement officials subjecting naked Mexican nationals to a supposed Zyklon B shower at the El Paso border. Hitler wrote about it in 1924, which certainly corresponds to when the photos were taken.

      • CigarGod
        November 2, 2015, 9:00 am

        Good catch.
        The usa has been involved in a lot of testing/experiments on folks…in the usa and others.

      • lysias
        November 2, 2015, 10:17 am

        Skimming through Hitler’s Second Book, I cannot find the passage about Zyklon B and Mexicans, not even in the discussion of Jews at the end of Chapter 16. I did several word searches, but they produced no relevant hits.

        Unless I can be directed to the passage in question, I will assume that the presence of such a statement in the Second Book is a myth.

        By the way, the Second Book was written in 1928, not 1924.

      • MRW
        November 26, 2015, 3:17 pm

        @LYSIAS,

        See what happens when you skate from memory? Page numbers wrong and mixing up the ref books

        Re: your . . . .
        Skimming through Hitler’s Second Book, I cannot find the passage about Zyklon B and Mexicans, not even in the discussion of Jews at the end of Chapter 16. I did several word searches, but they produced no relevant hits.

        Unless I can be directed to the passage in question, I will assume that the presence of such a statement in the Second Book is a myth.

        By the way, the Second Book was written in 1928, not 1924.

        I had to wait until I got home.

        The reference was in Ringside Seat to a Revolution, An Underground Cultural History Of El Paso And Juárez: 1893-1923 by David Dorado Romo, Cinco Puntos Press, El Paso, Texas, Pgs 240-243.

        Adolph Hitler, praising the U.S. Immigration Act of 1924 in Gerhard Weinberg’s edition of Hitler’s Second Book: The Unpublished Sequel To Mein Kampf By Adolph Hitler, (New York: Enigma Books, 203) p.109

        Pages 241 and 242 of Romo’s book show photographic copies—and several photographs–of Dr. Gerhard Peters’ 1937 article for a German pest science journal, Anzeiger für Schädlinskunde that included two photos of the El Paso delousing chambers, praising them as showing how effective Zyklon B was for killing unwanted pests. Also included is an illustration of how the El Paso fumigation tunnel system using Zyklon B works for train cargo. Page 242 shows a 1939 ad, based on Dr. Peters’ work, for creating “Disinfection Camps” at every border that reads in all caps, “WE ARE CLOSING THE BORDERS TO THE IMMIGRATION OF HARMFUL PESTS,” and how the penetration of Zyklon B “penetrates through the entire freight train quickly.”

        There are a lot more references, but if you’re truly interested, you can order the book yourself. ;-)

      • Philemon
        December 19, 2015, 7:55 pm

        Well, to give credit where credit is due, Solzhenitsyn himself claimed that it was the Soviets who invented the “gas chamber”, at least in its vehicular form, with the exhaust containing carbon monoxide being directed into the chamber in which the wanted-mostly-dead-guys were being transported to their burial grounds.

        There was a bit of an ammunition shortage, manpower shortage, and time shortage, going on at the time as well, so the vehicular gas chamber was seen as a great convenience.

        But, dammit. it was well before Hitler ever became head of the Nazi party.

        It was the Soviet Union guys who invented that ingenious, economical and timely homicidal method. You’ve gotta give them credit for that at least.

    • Boo
      October 31, 2015, 12:03 pm

      “Why does the conversation almost always shift to the Holocaust?”

      Because what the IDF is doing to Palestinians is a Slowlocaust.

  3. JLewisDickerson
    October 30, 2015, 12:02 pm

    RE: “Video: Israeli military tells Palestinian refugee camp, ‘We will gas you until you die’ “

    REMINDS ME OF: [photo]

    ALSO SEE – https://goo.gl/nXPGRJ

  4. Kay24
    October 30, 2015, 12:07 pm

    There must be deep psychological reasons why people who have a history of being bullied, strangely use the same tactics of their abusers, when they abuse those under their control. Are they sick or what? There is a deep seated anger against those they hold under occupation, and it shows in every damn crime we see.

    • John O
      October 30, 2015, 1:14 pm

      “I and the public know
      What all schoolchildren learn,
      Those to whom evil is done
      Do evil in return.”

      WH Auden “September 1, 1939”

      Whole poem here: https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/september-1-1939

    • Emory Riddle
      October 30, 2015, 2:23 pm

      “There must be deep psychological reasons why people who have a history of being bullied ”

      Well, at least a people who firmly believe they have been bullied and oppressed by “The Other” for thousands of years. A people who are emotionally invested in events they may or may not have taken place thousands of years ago to a people who they may or may not be descended from.

      This results in a culture of resentment that allows the people in that culture to do horrible things to “The Other” without a twinge of conscious.

      • Mooser
        October 30, 2015, 3:26 pm

        “There must be deep psychological reasons…”

        I think the reasons are pretty much right on the surface, and measured in square feet, acres and square miles.

      • talknic
        October 30, 2015, 7:48 pm

        @ Emory Riddle “Well, at least a people who firmly believe they have been bullied and oppressed by “The Other” for thousands of years. A people who are emotionally invested in events they may or may not have taken place thousands of years ago to a people who they may or may not be descended from.

        This results in a culture of resentment that allows the people in that culture to do horrible things to “The Other” without a twinge of conscious”

        I see. So that’s why Nazi Germany did horrible things to “The Other” without a twinge of conscious. It wasn’t anything like the Zionist brain washing Israeli children get from childhood.

    • talknic
      October 30, 2015, 7:43 pm

      @ Kay24 The Holocaust was over before anyone serving in the Israeli Occupation Forces was born

      The only bullying they’ve endured is the child abuse of Zionist brainwashing

      • peeesss
        October 31, 2015, 12:33 am

        “brain washing Israeli children get from childhood” should be more inclusive ie… the “brain washing Jewish children get from childhood.” One only has to be aware of the education our Jewish children receive in the United States from Jewish religious schools.

      • Jasonius Maximus
        November 1, 2015, 1:33 am

        Zionist Nationalism is very much a part of the bullying mindset ingrained in moden Israeli life, and is definitely largely to blame in cases like this. It always reminds me of that Doug Stanhope quote, which I feel sums up the the latest generation of Zionist Israelis perfectly.

        “Nationalism does nothing but teach you to hate people you never met, and to take pride in accomplishments you had no part in.”

    • inbound39
      October 30, 2015, 8:21 pm

      Yes they are sick Kay….I have been saying it for years. Many,most Holocaust victims got no help once they were released to deal with the trauma and psychosis they were left with. Because it was untreated and their behaviour became the accepted norm…i.e. most were suffering from these illnesses so in a group it would appear normal. Generation to Generation,untreated, the problem has compounded and just like kids of child molesters they become the abusers.

      My parents were survivors of the second World War. My mother went through the Blitz in London and at as a teen she saw horrendous things. As a grown adult and Parent she would switch off when violence occurred. She would start singing and not be present mentally. My Father was serving with the Scots Guards and on his twenty first birthday he went into Normandy beaches. He too saw some horrendous stuff…he never talked about it. He would sit and rub his head and tears would roll down his cheeks.

      Israel was born of violence and has been left untreated since 1945.

      • Kathleen
        October 30, 2015, 9:23 pm

        inbound39..spent about 7 years in nursing homes tending to my father and making sure my mother did not get left with all of the visiting, paper shuffling etc. We tried to bring my WWII father home but just did not work out. Anyway spent hours (hell cumulatively probably weeks) talking with WWII, Korean war vets. Oh did I hear the stories. Horrific, sad stories. With many of these old gents with tears flowing down their cheeks, some slow tears. However lots of tears. Hell my siblings and I had no idea that our father had gone through what he had shared with a counselor in one of the facilities he was in. The counselor who had worked at the Dayton VA for 20 years shared with us that he believed our father definitely suffered from PTSD. Will not even bore you with what it was like trying to get him classified with PTSD at 86.

        Our Vets hold a great deal in….some for life. Often their trauma bleeds onto their kids. Just as you have described the trauma that those who survived the Holocaust pass unprocessed horror and trauma onto their kids. Just as Palestinian kids growing up in these traumatic conditions will more than likely pass the trauma onto their kids.

        What a horrible and vicious cycle of violence

        If I had had my shit together would have been taping, although the dynamics change when people know you are recording

      • CigarGod
        October 30, 2015, 9:59 pm

        My Dad is a korean combat vet. Never talked about it until 5 years ago. Never had seen his medals or heard about the hell, the wounds, the fear. Tho without the graphic details for some reason. I helped him finally get va benefits for hearing, frostbite, eyes, etc. He had never complained. But, he surely had serious ptsd all his life.

    • Kay24
      October 31, 2015, 6:50 am

      Very interesting responses, and it is interesting that many here have so much experience that they can write about. I agree with what everyone seems to say – that the present generation of Israelis have not experienced the horrors of the nazis, and it does not justify what they keep doing to their civilian neighbors. It also shows that zionists have made the holocaust into some kind of convenience, to justify the horrendous crimes, massacres, land thefts etc. “Never Again” must be the name of that card they keep playing, and the world must stop accepting this excuse, every time they break international laws. The Japanese people went through an ugly war too, yet, they have not become vicious and violent. Germany has tried to make up for the atrocities of the nazis, and keeps placating Israel, aiding it, and giving it a pass for it’s crimes, and yet no one in the present generation of Germany, is responsible for what the nazis did, and is under no obligation to show they are sorry for the crimes of the past. I remember reading about an Israeli official who bragged that they must keep the Germans feel the guilt and they will keep supporting them. It is a great master plan.

      I also agree that the zionists instead of teaching their children to be compassionate and accepting of their neighbors, teach hatred, and make them feel the entire world is out to get them., while ignoring the crimes they keep committing. Yet, they keep projecting this image as coming from the other side.

      • inbound39
        October 31, 2015, 10:55 am

        I concur with you Kay. What strikes me about this site is that very fact. That there is a wealth of information carried by the people here. A unique cross section of World societies and age groups etc. It makes for a really good basis in teasing the facts out. Talknic introduced me to the realities of Israel when I stumbled on his site. Blew me out. I love to learn new things and people especially interest me. As for conflict I have had my share and it gave me a greater understanding of my father. Living with him was difficult but I always had immense respect for the sacrifices he made in WW2. Zionism was declared racist by the UN some time back but Israel got it reversed.

  5. eljay
    October 30, 2015, 12:07 pm

    … As a military jeep rolls down an empty quiet street a threatening voice comes over the loudspeaker “You throw stones and we will hit you with gas until you die.” …

    “And then we will burn your bodies in ovens. Never forget that WE are the victims here!”

    Zio-supremacists are truly hateful and immoral people…

  6. Annie Robbins
    October 30, 2015, 12:30 pm

    when i first saw this video and read the subtitles i thought it must be fake or something. i seriously did think it was unfathomable. then i googled around and saw it had been reported in several places, but none mainstream. thus far there has been no statement from the israeli military or politicians. i think if it was fake there would be denials. the friend in israel who sent it to me says they will say it was one lone soldier, a bad apple type thing.

    but this is so outrageous. i’m still wondering how this could be. obviously there are going to be many soldiers wanting to kill palestinians. coming from in a society where crowds chant death to arabs and military service in mandatory is stands to reason some of those people chanting will be serving in the military. but still, this is outrageous.

    • bryan
      October 30, 2015, 12:42 pm

      Contact Abbas and he will surely stop this incitement? If he could? Perhaps Obama could speak to Netanyahu, during one of their daily telephon calls, and he would surely stop this sort of thing?

    • CigarGod
      October 30, 2015, 12:43 pm

      I think combined with all the other statements in support of open brutality…by MK’s, Rabbi’s, etc., we are secure in believing it is systemic. Just as usa law enforcement problem is. It isn’t a few bad apples.

    • diasp0ra
      October 30, 2015, 1:28 pm

      Well Annie,

      For what it’s worth, the translation is correct for the most part. A couple of left out things, such as “take my advice” when he tells them to go home, but the meaning remains the same with no change.

      I honestly don’t doubt that this is genuine, I know Israeli soldiers used to get on loudspeakers to intimidate and cuss at us when they were carrying out their massacre in the Jenin refugee camp. I have seen it and heard it with my own ears, in person.

      • John O
        October 30, 2015, 1:53 pm

        Thank you, diasp0ra. It’s of great worth to have fellow-posters on MW who can confirm the authenticity of material like this.

        Oh, and the smartphone is proving mightier than the sword.

      • Annie Robbins
        October 30, 2015, 2:22 pm

        thank you diasp0ra. yes, it didn’t take me long to realize it was all too real. originally i saw the clip on the Ma’an article which has a slightly different translation in the subtitles which i had originally transcribed. it included “take my advice”. then i found it on MEE’s youtube page and since that video was easier to download i used that translation.

        also, at the time i did multiple searches and couldn’t find MEE’s full report (stupidly i didn’t go to their homepage!) but once i found it i updated the article (above).

        especially the testimony of other witnesses, Mohammed Al-Azza specifically. this would have had to have been a widespread group conspiracy to pull off a fake video like that. not a person such as Al-Azza, whom i trust even tho i have never met him. i know many people who have and think he is a man of integrity (see embeds above). so i totally believe it now. yes it is genuine.

      • Kathleen
        October 30, 2015, 9:27 pm

        Heard stories like this back in the 80’s from human rights activist and dear friend Art Gish…who went to live with the Palestinians in and around Hebron for many years while he was alive. He heard threats like this, saw Palestinians clubbed into submission by settlers and settlers regularly spit on Palestinian children. Just hateful and criminal

    • inbound39
      October 31, 2015, 11:06 am

      Yes it is outrageous Annie. It is so outrageous it leaves me wondering how the American and British Governments can possibly continue to support Israel. The people in those countries are beginning to get quite vocal about being Anti Israel and for all the right reasons. At some point if the politicians want to keep their jobs they will have to forget about the Zionist funding because their futures will be at stake and on the line.

    • Blownaway
      November 1, 2015, 10:22 am

      There are daily explicit threats by all kinds of sundry military types, they are itching to be turned loose. From today’s times of Israel a tank commander warns beware of waking the lion ““I don’t have a plan for Operation Defensive Shield 2. But do I have the tools necessary for Operation Defensive Shield 2? Absolutely. Right now I can go with my brigade and within 12 hours I will be in Hebron and take care of it. I will go to Jenin and take care of it. And when I finish there, Hebron and Jenin won’t be the same as when I came,” he warned.

      • CigarGod
        November 1, 2015, 10:29 am

        Damn!
        I can’t believe even Nazi tank commanders were allowed to express themselves like that.

  7. Pretext
    October 30, 2015, 12:45 pm

    Assuming the translation is accurate … If it’s a lone soldier, l shall hold my breath until his trial and conviction.

  8. MaxNarr
    October 30, 2015, 1:40 pm

    This seems really fake. Even as a psychological tactic I don’t think it would be use. Please make sure to source postings before putting them up and verify their veracity.

    That being said all stone throwing must stop.

    • eljay
      October 30, 2015, 2:23 pm

      || MaxNarr: … That being said all stone throwing must stop. ||

      Supporters of the rapist are quick to declare “All punching and scratching must stop!”

      But you never, ever hear them declare that the victim must be set free and that the rapist must be arrested, tried and held accountable for his past and on-going crimes.

      Justice, accountability and equality? They spit on them.

      Like Zio-supremacists, supporters of the rapist are truly hateful and immoral people.

    • Mooser
      October 30, 2015, 2:25 pm

      “This seems really fake.”

      People don’t realize the Palestinians have huge back lot, and large hanger-like enclosed studios. With all kinds of locales set up, and almost incredible studio resources, costumery, scene-building, a huge stock of motorized vehicles of authentic types, vast CGI departments, they can accomplish almost anything, flic-wise. And a Central Casting department which has all the right types at the right times.

      • Boo
        October 31, 2015, 12:13 pm

        Yeah, I understand they were the ones who faked the moon landing too. With technical assistance, of course, from Wernher von Braun.

    • Kris
      October 30, 2015, 2:39 pm

      @MaxNarr: “That being said all stone throwing must stop.”

      The Israeli Jews could stop inciting stone throwing by leaving the Palestinians alone. Since this is unlikely, let’s hope the Palestinians manage to obtain some more effective weapons.

      Today Israeli Jewish soldiers murdered an eight-month-old Palestinian baby by gassing him. The baby was in his own Palestinian village, which is in the West Bank (OCCUPIED!), and the soldiers stopped by to provoke violence. http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=768571

      • lonely rico
        October 30, 2015, 8:46 pm

        >Kris
        The Israeli Jews could stop inciting stone throwing by leaving the Palestinians alone.

        Better still, they could
        LEAVE THE (ILLEGALLY) OCCUPIED PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES,
        all of them !
        Palestinians might throw rocks over the border into Israel,
        wave their knives menacingly,
        yell out dreadful threats,
        but the number of Israeli injuries and deaths would surely plummet.

    • diasp0ra
      October 30, 2015, 2:47 pm

      Why does this seem fake?

      It’s not like this hasn’t been said before. “Gas the Arabs” or “Arabs to the gas chambers” have been scrawled all over the West Bank, what makes this so different? That a soldier is saying it? The same kind of soldiers that bombed children? Beat innocent people to death because someone yelled “terrorist”? Trained by a state that practiced ethnic cleansing to even come into existence?

      I’m curious why this seems fake. He’s speaking in the broken heavily accented Arabic that some IDF soldiers use to shriek at us at checkpoints.

      Or does saying “it seems fake” absolve you of questioning yourself and who you support?

      I find it incredible that in the video the soldier literally threatened to bring out an arrested Palestinian and shoot him in front of everyone, and threatened everyone, including children, MULTIPLE times with death by gas, and the only comment of you can muster is “stop stone throwing”?

      Really?

      No, there should be more stone throwing. If you can’t handle it, then get out of occupied territories. You want to occupy a people and have calm too?

      It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so twisted, an armed to the teeth occupying colonial army complaining about stone throwers. History is going to have a field day with Israel one day.

      • inbound39
        October 31, 2015, 11:15 am

        Diaspora I agree with you. Palestinians may be outgunned and not have the Hi Tech gear the Israeli’s have but it does not mean they cannot win. They simply have to keep exposing the truth and telling the truth via the media and get people around the World on their side. That is how the Vietnam War was stopped. A groundswell of people grew around the World and it made it politically impossible for governments around the World to support the War. The exact same can happen here. Given I served in Vietnam I did not believe in the protests at the time as it had a detrimental effect on the troops who were fighting there. More died than needed to because reinforcements were cut. The withdrawal was rushed and disorganized so fallback procedures many times were abandoned and more died again. Having said that the organization of the protest can be utilized to gain freedom for Palestinians and for them to enjoy their own State and regain their land.

    • CigarGod
      October 30, 2015, 3:21 pm

      So, even if it is true…it’s okay to gas people to death for throwing rocks? You are so transparently detached from humanity, dude.

    • Stephen Shenfield
      October 30, 2015, 3:44 pm

      What everyone is overlooking is that the settlers also do a lot of stone throwing. They throw stones at Palestinian children on their way to school.

      • MaxNarr
        October 30, 2015, 3:46 pm

        I condemn ALL stone throwing whether against Arabs or Jews in Judea and Samaria, Israel.

        Can you do the same?

      • CigarGod
        October 30, 2015, 7:27 pm

        No dude, false equivalence again.
        If stones were the only weapons on both sides…then you might start sounding reasonable. Except for your judea, samaria thing.

      • diasp0ra
        October 30, 2015, 4:21 pm

        “Judea and Samaria, Israel.”

        You are trying so hard! It’s adorable.

      • Kris
        October 30, 2015, 6:57 pm

        @MaxNarr: “I condemn ALL stone throwing whether against Arabs or Jews in Judea and Samaria, Israel. Can you do the same?”

        Let’s see. I condemn ALL ethnic cleansing, racism, apartheid, extrajudicial assassinations, pre-emptive war and attacks, violations of international humanitarian law, occupation, attacks on journalists, medical workers, and hospitals, state-sponsored terrorism, detention without legitimate charges and fair trials, and theft/diversion of land and resources.

        I condemn ALL interference with the provision of emergency medical treatment.

        Can you do the same?

      • Kathleen
        October 30, 2015, 9:28 pm

        The West Bank

      • Kathleen
        October 30, 2015, 9:29 pm

        The West Bank thieves (settlers is just too cozy of a term) spit on Palestinian children regularly from what I have heard.

    • Kay24
      October 30, 2015, 4:22 pm

      That being said, the violent occupation and building of illegal settlements must stop.

      THEN the stones will stop. No occupation, No stones.

    • echinococcus
      October 30, 2015, 6:04 pm

      What really seems fake is your good self. Even as a propaganda tactic, your persona doesn’t make sense. Please make sure to inquire about the feelings and logic of regular human beings, not just the Zionists, only ones you keep incestuous tribal and ties with.
      That said, all occupation must stop, and every participant in it is a heinous criminal against peace and a criminal against humanity.

  9. Kris
    October 30, 2015, 2:15 pm

    Yesterday the Israelis threatened the Palestinians with death by gas, and today the Israelis gassed a Palestinian baby to death:

    BETHLEHEM (Ma’an) — An eight-month-old Palestinian baby died Friday from tear gas inhalation in Beit Fajjar village south of Bethlehem during clashes in the area, the Palestinian Ministry of Health said.

    The ministry said in a statement that Ramadan Mohammad Faisal Thawabta died after inhaling tear gas when clashes erupted nearby between Palestinians and Israeli military forces.

    Thawabta’s body is being transported to Beit Jala Governmental Hospital.
    Three Palestinians were injured with 0.22 caliber bullets during clashes in the village, the ministry added.

    An Israeli army spokesperson did not have any immediate information but told Ma’an they were looking into the incident.

    The eight-month-old child’s death brings the total number of Palestinians killed this month to 67, at least ten of whom have been children. http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=768571

    Beit Fajjar is a Palestinian village in the OCCUPIED West Bank. The Israelis have no right to be picking fights there. No right to be gassing people there. If this had been a Jewish baby, we would never hear the end of it. But he was only a Palestinian.

    Consider his name: Ramadan Mohammad Faisal Thawabta. A grand name, no doubt bestowed by parents who dreamed grand dreams for their baby boy.

    • Annie Robbins
      October 30, 2015, 2:29 pm

      this is horrific. i was checking out @ifalasteen’s instagram page yesterday https://instagram.com/ifalasteen/ and ran across a video from 6 days ago of them teargas bombing this same area. i can’t link to the specific post because i don’t know how to. try this: https://instagram.com/p/9MYYp_q6pB/?taken-by=ifalasteen

      check out that video. it’s just raining down. think of what it must be like to breath this. it must permeate all the buildings. israel should leave them alone. go home and leave them alone. why do they engage in these areas? clearly, if they wanted to stop the rocks, leave them be!

  10. Ossinev
    October 30, 2015, 2:28 pm

    As reported in todays Times of Israel website.

    8-month-old boy was at home near Bethlehem when he died of asphyxiation, PA health ministry says; army investigating

    An eight-month-old Palestinian baby died Friday from inhaling tear gas fired during violent clashes near the West Bank city of Bethlehem, the Palestinian health ministry said.

    The ministry said Ramadan Muhammad Thawabteh died while he was in his home in the village of Beit Fajjar.

    “Ramadan Thawabteh, eight months old, died from asphyxiation today after inhaling tear gas, fired by the Israeli army, that entered the house of his family,” a ministry spokesman said

    Looks as if they the brave IOF have already started to put their plan into action. BTW IOF Investigations come as free giveaway occupation extras but please note they only last for 10-15 seconds

    RIP little one

    • Kris
      October 30, 2015, 2:52 pm

      From the Times of Israel article:

      “Ramadan Thawabteh, eight months old, died from asphyxiation today after inhaling tear gas, fired by the Israeli army, that entered the house of his family,” a ministry spokesman said.

      It was not immediately clear if a tear gas grenade had entered the house in the city of Bethlehem or if the gas had seeped in from outside.

      http://www.timesofisrael.com/pa-palestinian-baby-dies-from-inhaling-tear-gas-fired-by-idf/

      The “most moral army” wouldn’t shoot tear gas into people’s homes, would they?

  11. Kay24
    October 30, 2015, 4:27 pm

    I Illegal settlements, excuses, and lands taken very fast

    S Stealing lands, bulldozing homes, the occupation will last

    R Rogue state with no conscience Arabs they must rid

    A Apartheid policies, and blocking Palestinian State bid

    E Easily controls America through congress, media, a common feature

    L Lies, violence against civilians, playing victim, the zionists signature

  12. kalithea
    October 30, 2015, 7:42 pm

    So it’s true. It appears that an Israeli border police cop went bonkers or just couldn’t keep it quiet anymore and was subsequently temporarily suspended for threatening the occupied in the Aida ghetto through a loud speaker with what the majority of Israelis are wishfully thinking.:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/border-cop-suspended-for-threatening-to-gas-palestinians/

    Must be something in the vino Zionists are drinking lately. As if we didn’t know what’s really on their minds and what the plan has been all along; they’ve just been executing it slo-mo, but the intent is unmistakeable.

    This guy will get a shrine, and be showered with flowers when he returns to his settlement.

    • Mayhem
      October 31, 2015, 8:56 am

      @kalithea, shame that there is only Israeli border cop who is responsible for this outburst. The Palestinians attack with state-sanctioned hatred while the pro-Palestinian glee club is agog over one Israeli cop who behaves badly. He doesn’t kill or maim or attack anybody and the Israeli government has already suspended him.
      In the meantime 20,000 Israelis are sueing Facebook over incitement to violence by Palestinians http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/20000-Israelis-sue-Facebook-over-incitement-to-violence-by-Palestinians-430112
      On the other hand with true hypocritical aplomb nobody finds anything objectionable about the mother of the Palestinian terrorist who was killed while attacking Israelis celebrating her own son’s death. She pulls out a knife and pledges to continue his evil legacy – see https://youtu.be/TpwFTzRrOsU
      It seems like the Palestinian narrative has become dependent on conspiracy theories.

  13. ckg
    October 30, 2015, 9:43 pm

    Okay, thanks everybody. Have a great weekend.

    QUESTION: Okay. And also to just follow up on what you were saying on the excessive use of force, let’s say like in Aida Camp yesterday outside Bethlehem, they basically were telling people, “We’re going to gas you to death.” I mean, some really awful inciting statements and so on. So it seems to be accelerating. Isn’t that – doesn’t that translate into an excessive use of force?

    MR KIRBY: I appreciate that you want me to characterize incidents. And as I said before, I’m not going to do that. For every comment or every incident, I’m simply not going to get into characterizing them, Said. I will simply repeat what I’ve said before: We want all sides to take affirmative action and steps to end the violence and to stress and to urge calm. That’s what we really want to see happen here, because you – the ultimate goal here is for people to be able to live in peace, to go about their lives safely and securely. And that’s what the Secretary is focused on, and that’s why he was grateful for the time that he had with leaders last week. That’s why he’s glad that all agreed to the installation of these cameras. And he looks forward to seeing that happen and getting them in use to increase transparency. And that’s what we’re focused on.

    Okay, thanks everybody. Have a great weekend.

    • eljay
      October 30, 2015, 9:53 pm

      QUESTION: Oh, and some Palestinians in Occupied Jerusalem were telling Israeli colonists, “We’re going to gas you to death.”

      MR. KIRBY: Terrorism! Holocaust! Anti-Semitism! Existential threats!

      QUESTION: Ummm…what happened to not characterizing incidents?

    • kalithea
      October 31, 2015, 12:00 am

      And we all know that when Israel is the caretaker of video footage events don’t always end up appearing as they actually happened; Mavi Marmara and bombing of Al Wafa Hospital case in point.

    • RoHa
      October 31, 2015, 12:35 am

      “Have a great weekend.”

      Thank you, Mr. Kirby. Now that you have set my mind at rest, I’ll be able to enjoy the break.

      • inbound39
        October 31, 2015, 11:19 am

        Mr Kirby is another of those chosen people blessed with two brains….one is lost……the other is out trying to find it.

    • CigarGod
      October 31, 2015, 8:49 am

      Geez.
      They refuse to even recognize it, let alone condemn.
      I have idea why we place a whisper of hope in this administration.

    • ckg
      October 31, 2015, 9:08 am

      A spokesman for the Palestinian Health Ministry said Ramadan Thawabteh died after the gas seeped into his house in Bethlehem not far from where clashes broke out between youths and Israeli soldiers.

      Thanks, talknic.

  14. Kay24
    October 31, 2015, 8:27 am

    As expected these killings are never covered by the zionist media in the US. I just saw coverage by AJ America, of the horrible killing of the young Palestinian girl, who was on her way to classes, and brutally gunned down by terrorists wearing the uniform of their country, and it was sad to hear the story again. It seems only AJ America is reporting such crimes. The American media is not fair and balanced when it comes to the I/P conflict. I am sure there are journalists who may like to do so, but they have to toe the line, and please their bosses. I am sick of the zionist control of the US. It stinks.

    • inbound39
      October 31, 2015, 11:22 am

      When there are enough voices opposing it then it will change Kay…..until then we focus on what we can change and keep revealing the truth.

  15. johneill
    October 31, 2015, 9:47 am

    Never again

  16. a blah chick
    October 31, 2015, 1:20 pm

    So, the guy who THREATENS to gas people is suspended while the ones who have actually KILLED with gas are still on the job. Go figure.

  17. just
    October 31, 2015, 2:20 pm

    As predicted:

    “Tear Gas Didn’t Kill Palestinian Baby, Israeli Army Says

    IDF says no tear gas fired in vicinity of eight-month-old Mohammed Thawabta’s home; relatives say baby suffered from birth defect, military source says.

    Tear gas fired by Israeli forces during clashes in the West Bank on Friday had no direct link to the death of a Palestinian baby, the Israel Defense Forces said on Saturday, rejecting Palestinian claims to the contrary. …”

    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.683411?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    The ziolies keep coming like clockwork… “A Clockwork Orange”.

    (Ever wonder what the effects of massive doses of tear gas are on people with birth or other “defects”? read this: “In memoriam of Hashem al-‘Azza” @ http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/memoriam-hashem-october)

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      October 31, 2015, 2:44 pm

      Interesting that the statement says the tear gas had no DIRECT link to the baby’s death. In other words, not even the IDF are denying that it had some link.

      Also, the baby was 8 months old. What sort of ‘birth defect’ causes a baby to just die suddenly, at home, at 8 months of age?

      • a blah chick
        October 31, 2015, 4:25 pm

        Even if the child had a pre-existing heart issue the tear gassing didn’t help.

      • Rashers2
        October 31, 2015, 5:43 pm

        Obviously, MDM, it must be that same “birth defect” which afflicts most infants in the Occupied Territories: he was born in the “wrong” place to parents from the “wrong” demographic. Requiescat in pace, little Ramadan.

    • Kris
      October 31, 2015, 4:54 pm

      According to the article, “Tear Gas Didn’t Kill Palestinian Baby, Israeli Army Says,” http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.683411 , this “information” comes from Israeli sources.

      It wouldn’t be surprising if the baby did have a “birth defect,” given the horrible circumstances of Palestinian life in the Occupied West Bank, but there are plenty of birth defects that don’t affect the heart or lungs. It’s strange that the “Israeli sources” didn’t specify which supposed “birth defect” they are claiming is responsible for this baby’s death. Here’s a list of birth defects: http://www.marchofdimes.org/complications/birth-defects-and-health-conditions.aspx

      This is interesting, too: “Is waste from Israel’s nuclear programme poisoning Palestinians?” From the article:

      The head of the Palestinian Environment Quality Authority, Adala al-Atirah, told al-Araby that Israel prevents Palestinian environmental inspectors from visiting areas which residents complain are being used as nuclear dumping grounds by Israel.

      Furthermore, Israel does not allow for the import of equipment that could be used to measure radiation – and it prevents international and UN experts in the field from entering the Palestinian territories. http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/features/2015/6/30/is-waste-from-israels-nuclear-programme-poisoning-palestinians

      • echinococcus
        October 31, 2015, 5:06 pm

        Two birds with one rock. What’s in it not to like?
        Fat chance the Zionists would miss the opportunity.

      • Marnie
        November 1, 2015, 4:10 am

        Google “birth defects in Gaza” and there are 1/4 million results. It sure looks like the occupation is directly responsible. From white phosphorus, tear gas, skunk water(?) and polution of water resources by settler’s waste. WAR CRIMES, CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY, PERPETRATED DAILY.

  18. traintosiberia
    November 1, 2015, 9:49 pm

    Following the disclosure of German supplies of ” gas” agent to Iraq, Israel loudly asked a polemical question : Why Germany is so obsessed with the gas.
    Soon after it worked out the free delivery of the submarines that coud carry nuclear warheads with the German governments.

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