Two establishment Jews (Harvard and Microsoft) endorse boycott of Israel and ‘single state’ in Washington Post

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We’ve long predicted that liberal Zionists will start coming out for boycott because there’s no other peaceful way to end the conflict; and they will even abandon Zionism in the name of a peaceful transition to democracy. This has now happened in the Washington Post: the week after Lawrence Summers tried to hold the line in the Jewish community with an ill-informed speech against boycott in New York, and after J.K. Rowling sought to hold off boycott in England, two young Jewish academics of some standing, Steven Levitsky and Glen Weyl, say they are for boycott because they want to save Israel from itself. And that new Israel could be a “single state” with full democratic citizenship for Palestinians.

The piece is titled, “We are lifelong Zionists. Here’s why we’ve chosen to boycott Israel.” Note that Weyl and Levitsky endorse boycott because they “love” Israel and they do not mention the vanguard Palestinian-led movement, the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, nor the Right of Return, a critical component of the BDS movement. I don’t believe that Palestinian solidarity activists will embrace this move, because it largely ignores their struggle; but for anyone who wants to transform the U.S. discourse and liberate the Jewish community from blindness, it’s welcome.

Open the floodgates. These men have prestige. Levitsky is a 47-year-old Harvard professor and Weyl is a 30-year-old Senior Researcher at Microsoft, though he does not give that i.d. for the piece, just that he is an assistant professor of economics at University of Chicago. Puts Microsoft in a tender position!

The two intellectuals do not deny the rightward trend in Israeli society or the unending occupation. They address it forthrightly. The occupation is now permanent. Boycotting settlements is not enough. Excerpts:

As happened in the cases of Rhodesia and South Africa, Israel’s permanent subjugation of Palestinians will inevitably isolate it from Western democracies….

We are at a critical juncture. Settlement growth and demographic trends will soon overwhelm Israel’s ability to change course. For years, we have supported Israeli governments — even those we strongly disagreed with — in the belief that a secure Israel would act to defend its own long-term interests. That strategy has failed. Israel’s supporters have, tragically, become its enablers. Today, there is no realistic prospect of Israel making the hard choices necessary to ensure its survival as a democratic state in the absence of outside pressure.

For supporters of Israel like us, all viable forms of pressure are painful. The only tools that could plausibly shape Israeli strategic calculations are a withdrawal of U.S. aid and diplomatic support, and boycotts of and divestitures from the Israeli economy. Boycotting only goods produced in settlements would not have sufficient impact to induce Israelis to rethink the status quo.

It is thus, reluctantly but resolutely, that we are refusing to travel to Israel, boycotting products produced there and calling on our universities to divest and our elected representatives to withdraw aid to Israel. Until Israel seriously engages with a peace process that either establishes a sovereign Palestinian state or grants full democratic citizenship to Palestinians living in a single state, we cannot continue to subsidize governments whose actions threaten Israel’s long-term survival.

Israel, of course, is hardly the world’s worst human rights violator. Doesn’t boycotting Israel but not other rights-violating states constitute a double standard? It does. We love Israel, and we are deeply concerned for its survival. We do not feel equally invested in the fate of other states.

Unlike internationally isolated states such as North Korea and Syria, Israel could be significantly affected by a boycott. The Israeli government could not sustain its foolish course without massive U.S. aid, investment, commerce, and moral and diplomatic support.

We recognize that some boycott advocates are driven by opposition to (and even hatred of) Israel. Our motivation is precisely the opposite: love for Israel and a desire to save it.

Repulsed by the Afrikaners’ ethno-religious fanaticism in South Africa, Zionism founder Theodore Herzl wrote, “We don’t want a Boer state, but a Venice.” American Zionists must act to pressure Israel to preserve Herzl’s vision — and to save itself.

I assume the authors’ professions of love for Zionism/Israel are purely tactical, I can’t imagine it ever crossed these guys’ minds that they needed a Jewish state when things got too hot in the U.S. Weyl is the opposite of tribal.

Of course, this piece once again demonstrates the supremacy of Jews in the American discourse of Israel/Palestine. Just as Chuck Schumer and Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Ron Wyden were granted super-voter status by the press during the Iran deal discussions (presumably because of the west’s overriding concern with Jewish safety after the Holocaust, a concern that Israel has manipulated to a fare-thee-well), these two Jewish intellectuals will have far more clout in the U.S. press than the Palestinian-led solidarity movement. That’s unfortunate, and racist. Would we have taken white people’s actions against Jim Crow more seriously than the blacks who had so much more at risk in that struggle? No. But Jews count. We are the big liberals in American discourse, and an outsize presence in the establishment. Yousef Munayyer made the argument against settlement-only boycotts years ago and far more eloquently than these guys, but he’s just a Palestinian who can’t live in Israel, the place he was born, because his wife is a West Bank Palestinian.

But I don’t make the rules, and those are the rules. It’s vital that the Jewish community be liberated so that the American establishment can shift. So this is a very important piece. It will give a lot of elite non-Jews permission to support boycott. And other thoughtful establishment Jews who know the story should follow– Peace Now, Peter Beinart and David Remnick. Terry Gross needs to interview these guys on NPR.

Update: Weyl notes that the authors seek a two-state solution (which would preserve a Jewish state), not a single state.

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  1. just
    October 24, 2015, 1:33 pm

    Thanks, Phil. It’s an important piece that I quoted from and linked to earlier today. You’re correct when you write:

    “I don’t believe that Palestinian solidarity activists will embrace this move, because it largely ignores their struggle; but for anyone who wants to transform the U.S. discourse and liberate the Jewish community from blindness, it’s welcome.”

    ~and~

    “… But Jews count. We are the big liberals in American discourse, and an outsize presence in the establishment. Yousef Munayyer made the argument against settlement-only boycotts months ago and far more eloquently than these guys, but he’s just a Palestinian who can’t live in Israel, the place he was born, because his wife is a West Bank Palestinian.

    But I don’t make the rules, and those are the rules.”

    Sad, that. PEP reigns~ how much longer do civilized people have to endure this hypocrisy???

    You write that “It’s vital that the Jewish community be liberated so that the American establishment can shift.”

    I get that, but I’m at the end of my patience!

    I am far less concerned about the liberation of the American Jewish community who are under no siege nor Occupation nor forced exile than I am about the millions of Palestinian people who are. All the American Jewish and establishment communities need to do is OPEN their eyes and free their minds.

    This is what I wrote:

    “While I obviously don’t agree with all that these 2 profs have written, this article is well worth a read…

    …Now for the day when they wake up and boycott Zionism…

    (psst, profs: “Zionists” and “progressive” don’t belong together in a sentence or anywhere else!)”

    – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/intifada-facebook-interview#comment-155999

    • Emory Riddle
      October 26, 2015, 1:31 pm

      “It’s vital that the Jewish community be liberated so that the American establishment can shift. So this is a very important piece. It will give a lot of elite non-Jews permission to support boycott “.

      WOW.

      So the 98% of the American public needs to get the permission from the other 2% to take a moral stand? And this applies “elite” non-Jews as well? How elite are they if they need Jewish permission?

  2. HarryLaw
    October 24, 2015, 2:04 pm

    The Professors say.. “The only tools that could plausibly shape Israeli strategic calculations are a withdrawal of U.S. aid ” Then right on que The United States said it is cutting its annual aid to the Palestinian Authority by $80 million, in support of Israel following the latest spate of violence in the occupied territories.
    The US State Department “notified the lawmakers that it plans reduce economic aid for the West Bank and Gaza Strip from $370 million to $290 at the end of September,” Israeli media outlets reported Saturday.
    The 22-percent cut for the 2015 fiscal year came after US Congress sent a letter to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, telling him that the US funds were contingent on tamping down “incitement.”. You just could not make this up. http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/10/24/434794/US-Israel-Palestinian-violence-AlAqsa-Mosque

    • just
      October 24, 2015, 2:12 pm

      You can’t make this up either:

      “According to reports in the Israeli press, planned talks between Israel and the US on a one-time, multi-billion dollar military aid package in “compensation” for US approval of the Iran nuclear deal remain on hold, with focus on a planned increase in annual military aid to Israel.

      The US currently sends Israel $3.1 billion annually in military aid, and the increase is expected to bump this up by roughly another billion dollars. Such plans tend toward 20-year timeframes, meaning the spending will add up to $20 billion more.

      US military aid by and large isn’t cash, but rather credits used to purchase weapons from certain well-connected US arms makers, meaning the aid program amounts to a subsidy for both the Israeli military and for major US manufacturers. …”

      http://news.antiwar.com/2015/10/21/us-plans-1-billion-annual-hike-in-israel-military-aid/

      That’s not counting all the other money that flows from the US private sector to Israel…

      (How this is not illegal is beyond me)

      • Boomer
        October 24, 2015, 3:00 pm

        “Compensation” is ironic, considering that Obama was working hard to achieve Israel’s objective. We aren’t threatened by the prospect of a nuclear Iran, unless you consider being unable to attack at will to be a threat. You have to admit, Netanyahu is a good negotiator.

        Evidence that it was in Israel’s interest is provided by this article, reporting support of Israel’s Atomic Energy Commission. (Speaking of irony, what about the irony of the only nuclear power in the region being so concerned.)
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/23/israeli-nuclear-body-endorses-iran-deal-report-says/

      • Citizen
        October 24, 2015, 5:48 pm

        @ just
        Of that $3.1 B yearly in direct aid you can the interest on it–yes we borrow money from China at interest to give Israel the $3.1 B, and we pay Israel interest on that money! How this is not illegal is also beyond me. Further, of that $3.1 B, 25-26% goes directly to subsidize Israel’s weapons manufacturers who directly compete with US MIC. How is it the big US weapons companies couldn’t stifle that?

      • inbound39
        October 25, 2015, 3:08 am

        What is even more criminal Just is the fact that Palestinians have had 80 million dollars shaved of their American Aid package for inciting the current violence against Israeli’s(?).Why hasn’t America cut Israel’s aid because of its more heinous incitement and extra judicial killings and settler violence?

    • a blah chick
      October 24, 2015, 3:25 pm

      Did you see that hearing they had a few days ago concerning Palestinian “incitement?” It featured “testimony” from three right wing Zionists including (drum roll) Eilot Abrams! No Palestinians in fact no Arabs of any kind. They’re not even trying to make the farce look good anymore.

      • just
        October 24, 2015, 4:05 pm

        Yeah, abc.

        “The hearing, titled “Words Have Consequences: Palestinian Authority Incitement to Violence,” featured testimony from Elliott Abrams of the Council on Foreign Relations, Jonathan Schanzer of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, and David Makovsky, formerly of the State Department and now with the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.”

        http://www.jpost.com/International/House-resolution-would-accuse-Palestinian-Authority-of-incitement-429813

        The same convicted Eliott (of Iran Contra and who knows what else!) that was married to the deceased Rachel.

        wrt to Rachel and in her own words:

        “Abrams was a board member of the Emergency Committee for Israel. A critic of liberal thinkers, she kept a politically oriented blog called Bad Rachel.

        In the 1970s, she spent three years working on Kibbutz Machanaynim in the Galilee.

        “Of the Palestinians who kidnapped Gilad Shalit, Abrams wrote:

        …the slaughtering, death-worshiping, innocent-butchering, child-sacrificing savages who dip their hands in blood and use women — those who aren’t strapping bombs to their own devils’ spawn and sending them out to meet their seventy-two virgins by taking the lives of the school-bus-riding, heart-drawing, Transformer-doodling, homework-losing children of Others — and their offspring — those who haven’t already been pimped out by their mothers to the murder god — as shields, hiding behind their burkas and cradles like the unmanned animals they are, and throw them not into your prisons, where they can bide until they’re traded by the thousands for another child of Israel, but into the sea, to float there, food for sharks, stargazers, and whatever other oceanic carnivores God has put there for the purpose.[1]”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Abrams

        Yep. The criminal who married that got to testify before Congress… again.

  3. HarryLaw
    October 24, 2015, 2:20 pm

    Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US
    Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today’s population, that is more than $5,700 per person. http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

    • Boomer
      October 24, 2015, 3:05 pm

      Thanks, HarryLaw. Interesting list, and informative. I suspect that other things could be added. It’s hard to ferret out everything. Personally, I’d add the cost of the Iraq war. Maybe some of the cost of 9/11 and the Afghanistan War too. Of course, that’s debatable. Our support for Israel wasn’t the only reason for OBL’s ire, but it was certainly a part of it.

      • straightline
        October 24, 2015, 4:31 pm

        The dateline on that article in the Christian Science Monitor is December 2002. The cost to the US blew out since then in everything you mentioned Boomer plus Syria, Of course this issue was not picked up by the rest of the MSM. I’d hazard a guess that the cost is now in excess of $20,000 per person.

      • Boomer
        October 24, 2015, 6:41 pm

        re: “I’d hazard a guess that the cost is now in excess of $20,000 per person.”

        Not to mention all the lives lost . . . American and others.

      • benjoya
        October 24, 2015, 8:42 pm

        sorry, but BS. I’ve never seen one bit of evidence that OBL cared a whit about Palestinians. He wanted U.S. out of Saudi and he got it.

      • zaid
        October 25, 2015, 12:21 pm

        Actually OBL always mentioned palestine in every speech. so did the 9/11 hijackers in their wills.

      • Kris
        October 25, 2015, 12:35 pm

        @benjoya: “sorry, but BS. I’ve never seen one bit of evidence that OBL cared a whit about Palestinians. He wanted U.S. out of Saudi and he got it.”

        If you had googled “Osama Bin Laden Palestine,” you would have found tons of evidence, including this:

        Osama Bin Laden’s latest message to the world was notable not just for its dubious claim of responsibility for the failed attempt to bring down Northwest Flight 253 on Christmas. The audiotape, which surfaced Sunday, also represented a new emphasis on a topic guaranteed to resonate across the Arab and Muslim worlds.

        In the short tape, which lasts less than two minutes and is stripped of Bin Laden’s usual Koranic ornamentation, Bin Laden focus on the Gaza strip and the plight of the Palestinians. Bin Laden claims that al Qaeda’s actions are an attempt to help the Palestinians.”

        “The United States will not dream of enjoying safety until we live it in reality in Palestine,” says Bin Laden. “It is not fair to enjoy that kind of life while our brothers in Gaza live in the worst of miseries.”

        “God willing our attacks will continue as long as you support the Israelis.”

        The tape was not the first time Bin Laden has mentioned Palestine, but it is the first time he has talked of little else. In the last of the half-dozen messages he released in 2009, he spoke of Afghanistan.

        “The Palestinian cause was always a major issue in the mind of bin Laden,” said Saleh Abdel Jawad, a political science professor at Birzeit University in the West Bank, “but in his last message it was the only issue, and this is new.” http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/osama-bin-laden-shifts-emphasis-palestine/story?id=9658300

      • Boomer
        October 25, 2015, 1:28 pm

        re: “sorry, but BS. I’ve never seen one bit of evidence that OBL cared a whit about Palestinians.”

        Perhaps you live in the U.S. The Bush-Cheney administration tried to suppress OBL’s statements (“to avoid coded messages to terrorists,” of course). I was amazed at the extent to which the U.S. media complied. In the immediate aftermath of 9/11 however, before the word from on high got out, at least one TV channel carried all or most of one of OBL’s videos, and WaPo carried a full transcript of it. Probably some other outlets did as well. The reference to Palestine was clear. For those who read the news closely, there had been ample evidence even before that. And, as other commenters have already noted, for those who search for it on the internet, ample evidence is readily available. You may also want to read some of the books on the subject that came out in the years after 9/11, such as those by Michael Scheuer.

      • CigarGod
        October 25, 2015, 1:39 pm

        Correct.
        Remember also the huge campaign to demonize Al Jazeera. They didn:t want us to see Arab’s as fellow humans.

  4. just
    October 24, 2015, 2:46 pm

    wtf?

    “First-Ever U.S. Presidential Candidates’ Forum Held Abroad in Jerusalem, Israel, November 2-4, 2015

    Jerusalem Leaders Summit
    Inbal Jerusalem Hotel

    US presidential candidates have been invited to participate in the first-ever US Presidential Candidates’ Forum held abroad, focusing on foreign and defense policy issues. From Jerusalem, Israel, each presidential candidate will have an opportunity to present their views on U.S. foreign policy, US-Israel relations, threats affecting US allies in Europe and Asia, the instability in the Middle East, terrorism, and solutions to increase the economic well-being and security of Americans in the US and abroad. …”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/natasha-srdoc/firstever-us-presidential_b_8367160.html

    From a link in the article:

    “Family Research Council, International Leaders Summit and National Religious Broadcasters are co-hosting the first U.S. Presidential Candidate Forum to be held in the state of Israel and focused on issues of mutual interest and concerns as well as economic, foreign, defense and cultural policy.”

    ~and~

    “The strategic educational Summit event co-hosted by The Heritage Foundation, International Leaders Summit, Alliance for Direct Democracy in Europe (ADDE), National Religious Broadcasters and Family Research Council will focus on public policy issues addressing the rule of law, economic freedom and security. The audience for the summit will be international participants expected from the US, Israel, Europe and the greater Middle East.

    The co-organizers believe that the Summit event in Jerusalem, Israel, will provide a strategic platform for communicating with leading voices and key stakeholders about foreign policy, US-Israel relations, Europe-Israel relations, the present threats to the West, Israel, and our common civilization based on the foundation of the rule of law – protecting life, liberty and property.”

    This is beyond the proverbial pale! They’re trying to light another match in Jerusalem, among other things.

    • Boomer
      October 24, 2015, 3:08 pm

      re: “First-Ever U.S. Presidential Candidates’ Forum Held Abroad in Jerusalem, Israel, November 2-4, 2015″

      Some candidates have been going there to raise money for some time, but this is amazing. All I can do is repeat your comment with emphais, “WTF?!”

      • Marnie
        October 25, 2015, 1:07 am

        Oh my. I can’t belief this. This couldn’t have been imagined in the worst nightmares of the founding fathers

      • inbound39
        October 25, 2015, 3:14 am

        That is totally repulsive….how much more incestuous can this Special Relationship get? Disgusting. I hope it all flies back in their faces in the new year.

    • JWalters
      October 24, 2015, 6:43 pm

      This is indeed an amazing development. Clearly it’s another “Israel purity test” for America’s presidential candidates, in which Israel brazenly attempts to assert its control of America. All the Republican candidates will probably show up. But will the Dems?

      Bernie will refuse, as he refused to attend Netanyahu’s speech to Congress. What about Hillary? She is probably not Israel’s favorite candidate, despite her taking Israeli thug Haim Saban’s money dumps. The relentless questioning by the Benghazi committee’s Likud faction about her emails from Sidney Blumenthal, so baffling to the pundits (at least in public), makes sense in the context of Sidney’s son, Max Blumenthal being a forceful and articulate critic of Zionism and Israel, and the logical source of those outsider emails of concern that Sidney forwarded to Hillary.

      Further, the Benghazi attack itself looks very much like an Israeli false-flag “October surprise” designed to put Romney in the White House. The logic of that is given here
      https://consortiumnews.com/2015/10/22/the-more-complex-truth-of-benghazi-2/#comment-205134

      Hillary also has reason to dislike the Israelis for their blackmailing Bill over Monica in order to stop his criticism of the “settlements”. They may even have set Monica up to “serve Israel” (without telling her about the potential personal fallout). More on that here
      https://consortiumnews.com/2015/02/03/entangling-the-us-in-a-war-with-iran/#comment-187891

      In the recent Democratic debate Hillary referred to herself as Obama’s “designated yeller” in some discussions with Netanyahu. She is also on the record as saying the Israelis have a “lack of empathy” regarding the Palestinians.
      http://nation.foxnews.com/hillary-clinton/2012/12/02/hillary-israel-lacks-empathy-generosity-toward-oppressed-palestinians

      The situation parallels that of Jeb, who the Israelis are torpedoing because of his link to James Baker, who actually tried to stop the “settlements” once upon a time.

      So I suspect the U.S. Presidential Candidates’ Forum in Israel will be a Republican-only affair.

      • CigarGod
        October 24, 2015, 10:40 pm

        Well, I guess they just opened for business as the fascist convention center of the world.

    • Sibiriak
      October 25, 2015, 2:50 am

      If anyone thinks the U.S./Israel symbiosis is coming to an end anytime soon, they’re dreaming.

      • Keith
        October 26, 2015, 4:56 pm

        SIBIRIAK- “If anyone thinks the U.S./Israel symbiosis is coming to an end anytime soon, they’re dreaming.”

        The symbiosis is real and strong, however, in these dark and uncertain times the future is unusually murky.

  5. Krauss
    October 24, 2015, 2:53 pm

    Great writing, as always.

    The fact that they published in WaPo and not in the New York Times is, to me, a marginal pique interest. Remember how Sarah Schulman had to wrangle with Times’ editors for months to get her seminal pinkwashing Op-Ed through?

    I gather these guys knew the inertia involved and just went with the WASP-owned newspaper instead, because that group is viewed as a neutral 3rd party and is likely to ask less questions(but by no means, “no questions”).

    • lysias
      October 24, 2015, 6:32 pm

      Stuff has been appearing in the Washington Post since Bezos acquired it that would not have appeared before.

  6. Boomer
    October 24, 2015, 2:54 pm

    The front page of WaPo’s internet version also carries “Confessions of an Israeli Traitor,” a piece against the occupation. I’ve noticed for some time that it seems as if a wider range of opinion on I/P sometimes gets into the Saturday WaPo. I’ve wondered if that’s because an assistant editor is permitted a longer lease when readership is down . . . perhaps to prove the paper’s objectivity. (Of course, my perception may be wrong . . . I’ve not done an actual study.)
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/23/confessions-of-an-israeli-traitor/

    • Krauss
      October 24, 2015, 2:57 pm

      Yeah, I touched on this in my comment, too. I do think that ownership matters. We’re told “follow the money”, but we can’t follow the money on media ownership because that goes into Jewish stereotypes.

      But, of course, we should follow the money and understand that whoever owns the paper matters far more than who the current editor is. Bezos strikes me as a relatively apolitical(in foreign policy) libertarian who probably has a mild, latent pro-Israel bias but whose bias is shaped more by the fact that he has far more Jews in his close circles, whether at work or at home, than he has Palestinians.

      And when some of these Jews express grief with Israel, he’s not shocked to read these Op-Eds in his paper the next day. There’s no tribal shaming mechanism in place here.

      Think about the attacks on Richard Goldberg after his UN report. Or how you get viciously attacked as a Jewish journalist(Rudoren). There is a lot of tribal pressure that a guy like Bezos simply escapes by virtue of his ethnicity. I don’t think that plays a marginal role in what we’re seeing here.

      • Boomer
        October 24, 2015, 4:49 pm

        Ownership certainly can play a part, along with other factors, but I don’t know about WaPo specifically. I left DC well before Bezos bought WaPo, and I don’t read it as closely as I used to. My impression from a distance is that he has refrained from making major editorial changes, but–as I said–I don’t really know. He may well be more involved in that than I know.

        As another hypothesis (not mutually exclusive), perhaps Israel’s continuing excesses (matched by the excesses of our craven, venal, sycophant politicians) have (as this site’s founder has so long fervently hoped) finally motivated more Jews here and in Israel to speak out. I’m even less qualified to speculate about that than about the nuances of WaPo’s internal operations, so I must leave that to others.

        (BTW, I see that I typed “lease” when I intended “leash.” Not being a petty pedant, you were gracious enough not to mention it.)

      • lysias
        October 24, 2015, 6:37 pm

        There have been several mentions of Israel’s nukes in the Washington Post in recent months, most notably in columns by Walter Pincus (who generally reflects the views of his military/intel sources).

      • lysias
        October 25, 2015, 9:15 am

        Even stronger piece on Israel in Outlook section of WaPo today. Confessions of an Israeli Traitor by Assad Gavron.

      • lysias
        October 25, 2015, 3:23 pm

        Confessions of an Israeli traitor:

        The cumulative effect of this recent mindless violence is hugely disturbing. We seem to be in a fast and alarming downward swirl into a savage, unrepairable society. There is only one way to respond to what’s happening in Israel today: We must stop the occupation. Not for peace with the Palestinians or for their sake (though they have surely suffered at our hands for too long). Not for some vision of an idyllic Middle East — those arguments will never end, because neither side will ever budge, or ever be proved wrong by anything. No, we must stop the occupation for ourselves. So that we can look ourselves in the eyes. So that we can legitimately ask for, and receive, support from the world. So that we can return to being human.

      • just
        October 25, 2015, 3:31 pm

        Thanks so much for giving us the heads- up on the article, lysias.

        Shortly after I read it from your nod, Phil posted an article about it:

        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/washington-unrepairable-society

  7. JoelReinstein
    October 24, 2015, 2:55 pm

    I totally agree that this is big, and has a lot of good ramifications for moving the boycott forward. But I also think that every step in mainstreaming BDS, which we have to do, brings new difficulties with it.

    Joseph Massad has written really well about the risk of the boycott tactic being co-opted, used apart from the leadership of the BDS movement to save Israel from its own self-destructive right wingers. He points to European governments and the UN recognizing (22% of) Palestine as an effort to resuscitate the two-state solution and take the wind out of the sails of the Palestinian cause.

    Like settlement-only boycotts, a Zionist boycott divorced from BDS – a movement under Palestinian leadership that keeps it grounded in the three demands – could be a way to preserve Israel as a racist state. As BDS continues to go mainstream, this could be something European and even US elites support. If they can nominally end the 1967 occupation that’s giving Israel such a black eye, they could preserve Israel as a state “for one people and one people only,” permanently shut the door on Palestinian refugees’ return, and create a fake Palestinian state in the occupied territories.

    Again I totally agree this is a positive step. We have to mainstream BDS, and accept with the political risks that come with that. The way to confront those risks is to keep building BDS as a mass, grassroots movement firmly committed to all three goals and the BNC leadership. Every boycott and divestment campaign must not be afraid to proudly identify as part of the BDS movement and not be afraid to put forward all three goals, not just the occupation.

    At some point, if we generate enough pressure without having built a mass movement around all three demands, it could be disastrous.

    • Al2Sultan
      October 25, 2015, 2:53 am

      It’s interesting how you don’t even hide the fact that your aim is to destroy israel. Your goals are to annihilate the worlds only jewish state in its ancient homeland and replace it with a 23rd Islamic Arab state. You will never achieve your aims. Israel will not commit suicide to appease your hatred of the jewish people’s independence. There will never be a return of Arabs to israel. The Arab worlds attempt at genocide against the jewish state has been lost. It’s funny how Israel’s considered racist by its enemies that call for her destruction. Never do people like you question the reality that most Arab states have laws that prevent Jews from owning land and Christians and from freedom of worship.

    • inbound39
      October 26, 2015, 12:36 am

      When it comes to a Single State for Israeli’s and Palestinians living together in harmonious ,domestic bliss…….think about this. What Mental Health Professionals would insist that a partner who had suffered years of the worst kinds of domestic violence from the other partner return to living in the same house? How many Mental Health Professionals would give it any kind of chance of working? Would the seriously abused partner be able to instantly forgive and carry on as though all was well? If you come up with the same answers as me to those questions a single state will never work. It has to be an imposed solution of Two States on 67 Borders…..all settlers removed or offered Palestinian Citizenship governed by Palestinian Law. Given what has happened to the Palestinians there is no way a single state will work nor will the settlers leave the Palestinians alone. It will be civil war in no time flat. Can’t go any other way.

  8. hfouda
    October 24, 2015, 5:06 pm

    The Washington Post Op Ed contains this ridiculous point: “a state [Israel] was necessary to protect our people from future disaster.”

    What kind of insane, selfish and racist people would be OK today with stealing the lands of the native Palestinians, displacing, banishing and killing them as an insurance policy in case something happens to their own tribe at a future date?

    • JWalters
      October 24, 2015, 7:28 pm

      Absolutely agree. I suspect this is why Phil says “I assume the authors’ professions of love for Zionism/Israel are purely tactical”.

      And it may be a necessary message for many in the Jewish American community to hear because of their deep love for Israel. At some point they will have to accept the reality that their love was obtained under false pretenses, with a massive, highly financed campaign of deception, like that of the tobacco companies and the oil companies. The difference is that Israel’s profits come from war instead of tobacco or oil. Incitement of religious conflict was the very purpose of the war profiteering banksters who financed the establishment of Israel, described in “War Profiteers and the Roots of the War on Terror”. The MIC role in maintaining Israel and its violent policies is discussed here.
      http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/because-global-supplier/

    • Marnie
      October 25, 2015, 1:30 am

      I think the so-called Pilgrims were looking for a place to protect themselves from what they felt was impending disaster so I’m pretty sure it would be the same type of insane, selfish and racist people who stolen millions of Africans from their lands on the continent of Africa to build up a country by a labor force enslaved in perpetuity, allowing it to become the richest country on earth. The European invader first had to murder outright or by spread of disease, the native population and quickly began the process later to be titled Manifest Destiny, eventually stealing all of their lands and mineral wealth. Those who weren’t killed outright, were marched to areas they knew nothing about, into lands that weren’t favorable to them and kept on them for decades, while the westward expansion saw all of their lands appropriated by “settlers”.

      It’s no wonder the US has gone so far right, they have to be in lock-step with their zionist counterparts.

      There are some bright spots in the US and not all of its people are brainwashed, brain-dead ziozombies, but how, in all sincerity, can the US even begin to deal honestly with the zionist state when the US still hasn’t come to grips with its legacy regarding the indigenous people (who have the highest rates of suicide in the country); slavery, Jim Crow and segregation. Why should there have to be #BlackLivesMatter? Shouldn’t that be obvious to all Americans? WTF!!! It’s 2015 not 1915!

      Its the Palestinians need a friend and desperately need help – but with the US it’s always the zionist state that is in danger, needs protection and more and more weapons. If I remember correctly, it wasn’t the PLO that attacked the USS Liberty….

      • RoHa
        October 25, 2015, 3:20 am

        “If I remember correctly, it wasn’t the PLO that attacked the USS Liberty…”

        I’m sure Netanyahu will soon revise your memory.

  9. yonah fredman
    October 24, 2015, 6:01 pm

    “I assume the authors’ professions of love for Zionism/Israel are purely tactical, I can’t imagine it ever crossed these guys’ minds that they needed a Jewish state when things got too hot in the U.S .”

    Poor logic.

    Phil Weiss assumes that the only possible reason American Jews might love Zionism/Israel is as a refuge in case things turn hot in the U.S. Jews might love Israel for many reasons: the cherry tomatoes for example. (This is a joke for the Israel bashers here. Israel offers an alternative culture to American Jewish culture, a Hebrew culture, a Saturday off rather than a Sunday off culture. There are many minor things about the existence of Israel that might inspire a wish for Israel to exist and not disappear.) Or they might think that America is sufficient for them, as having been born in America and are thus protected from anything except American heat, but is insufficient for the other half of the world’s Jews, who have no guarantee of American protection.

    • echinococcus
      October 25, 2015, 12:57 am

      Oh yeah, Mr Fredman is at it again. The poor, unprotected Jews of the rest of the world, where they only are citizens among others –equal to others. What a horrible fate. As opposed to the kings of the roost in the US as well as the Zionist entity. And no, discussion of not really significant finer points re the latter two are not accepted.

      • Sibiriak
        October 25, 2015, 2:24 am

        echinococcus: Oh yeah, Mr Fredman is at it again. The poor, unprotected Jews of the rest of the world, where they only are citizens among others –equal to others.

        ——————

        Believe it or not, after the Holocaust and the centuries of antisemitism that preceded it, and the anti-Jewish pogroms and policies that were to follow it, many well-intentioned people, Jewish and non-Jewish, wondered whether equal treatment, let alone physical safety, could ever be guaranteed to European/Soviet Jews. That sentiment can be questioned, of course, especially with the benefit of hindsight, but for many decades it was certainly not unreasonable.

      • echinococcus
        October 26, 2015, 3:41 am

        Yes, Sibiriak. If you want to limit it all to the Soviets (or the Warsaw Pact countries), I’ve heard all that US propaganda, too. I grew up with it, in fact. And I don’t buy it. There was more than proportional representation in the Party and the government organs of people of Jewish origins, provided they jettisoned the tribal and ethnic identifications. That more or less also applied to other so-called ethnicities. Did the Tatars fare better? The Laz? The Chechens? Repression of tribal and religious groups was more or less universal, and Zionist nationalism was and remains a clear and present danger. There is no call for claiming special treatment.
        As for widening that to “Europe”, that’s calumny.
        Anyway, there should be no place for triumphant nationalism anywhere.

        Anyway, that’s not any of the discussion. It’s about right now.

      • Mooser
        October 26, 2015, 2:09 pm

        “wondered whether equal treatment, let alone physical safety, could ever be guaranteed to” Africans. In their own lands, and throughout the world “That sentiment can be questioned, of course, especially with the benefit of hindsight, but for many decades it was certainly not unreasonable.”

        Quite a few others we could fill in, too. Been a horrible couple of centuries for a lot of people.

      • Keith
        October 26, 2015, 4:20 pm

        MOOSER- “Been a horrible couple of centuries for a lot of people.”

        That is what I keep trying to tell Tokyobk but he won’t listen to me. Perhaps if you were to talk to him he would listen. Tribal solidarity and all.

      • Mooser
        October 26, 2015, 5:33 pm

        “Perhaps if you were to talk to him he would listen.”

        Listen to me? That’s a laugh. A balmalocha does not listen to a balegoola!

    • Ellen
      October 25, 2015, 3:32 am

      Gosh, Yonah, you make Israel sound like a quaint little sentimental pet for those who have affection for a national construct.

      I was troubled by these intelligent and brave writers profession of “love for Israel.” It made them sound a bit Hebrew school brainwashed — repeating the nonsensical platitude. But maybe they have to put that in their message to try and fend off the attack machine now gearing up to destroy them.

      There are so many peoples of the world who were and are terribly vulnerable. Do you think creating a new “state” with walls is the answer? If not, why should it be for those Jews who perceive to be vulnerable and are taught from early childhood “everyone hates me…..”

      BTW, isolating someone and telling them everyone is out to get them is Classic Stockholm syndrome methods.

      • Mooser
        October 25, 2015, 12:08 pm

        Shorter “Yonah”: ‘Everybody, dig deep, you owe us!’

        “Yonah” the world doesn’t work that way. Sorry.

      • Marnie
        October 26, 2015, 1:18 am

        “Love of Israel” is the kiss of death for Palestinians.

    • bryan
      October 25, 2015, 5:31 am

      Yonah, I liked your joke about Israel’s Saturday-off culture even better than your cliched offering of cherry tomatoes. The vast majority of westerners (and even many easterners as in Turkey and Lebanon) get both Saturday and Sunday off, and those that don’t often get financial compensation for weekend working. How exactly does Israel’s Satuday-off culture benefit American Jews, and could you not possibly find anything else to say in Israel’s favour? I am not French but the existence of France gives me great food and wine, and French culture has hugely enriched European culture, especially since the enlightenment. If Israel failed to exist we would still have Palestinian hummus, but what else would we lose? (apart from those ghastly soda machines and the abominable drones and security systems) And how much would we gain in terms of a more peaceful and tolerant world?

    • Mooser
      October 25, 2015, 12:50 pm

      “world’s Jews, who have no guarantee of American protection”

      “Yonah” I got bad news for you, honey: American Jews have no guarantee of American protection Yes, sad but true! (First of all, how would they know who we are, do you think they keep a list?)
      “Yonah” as unfair as this is, the only protection we American Jews have are the ones provided (and yes, very unevenly) to American citizens!
      Is that anti-semitic, or what? (And look at the genocidal result!) Yes, “Yonah” the FDA doesn’t even have a Federal Kashruth division. Cossacks!

      • RoHa
        October 25, 2015, 8:29 pm

        “the only protection we American Jews have are the ones provided (and yes, very unevenly) to American citizens! ”

        And that is hardly any protection at all. Those Christmas trees are gonna get you someday.

      • Mooser
        October 26, 2015, 1:27 pm

        “And that is hardly any protection at all. Those Christmas trees are gonna get you someday.”

        Oh, they aren’t so bad. My BIL farms them, and as long as they are locked in every night they’re not dangerous.
        But it’s the Holly and the Ivy I’m terrified of. It’ll choke your entire yard up here.

    • Annie Robbins
      October 25, 2015, 2:45 pm

      having been born in America and are thus protected from anything except American heat, but is insufficient for the other half of the world’s Jews, who have no guarantee of American protection.

      you’re so full of yourself yonah. no one has a “guarantee of American protection” because no one (anywhere) has a guarantee of protection in life. life happens.

      • yonah fredman
        October 25, 2015, 9:34 pm

        annie, then let me express where my support for Israel comes from. it comes from the fact that the Zionist movement saved the lives of 300,000 Jews who moved to Palestine between 1920 and 1940. it comes from the fact that the declaration of a state by Ben Gurion in May of 1948 was the culmination of much effort and blood spilled and a historic event at a moment in time that cried out for a Jewish army. It comes from the fact that 5 million Jews live in israel today. There are no guarantees in this world, but I certainly don’t trust the sentiments of you and Phil Weiss to really care about the world’s Jews. You care about America and that’s it. you root for the underdogs, the indigenous and your disdain for history leads you to lie about the people of Syria (supporters of Assad, you call them) and disdain anything about the Jews, unless it is part of American history or to be specific the part of world history or American history that you favor.

      • Annie Robbins
        October 26, 2015, 1:15 pm

        zzzzzzz

      • yonah fredman
        October 25, 2015, 11:37 pm

        I also must add that I am attached to people whom I know who live there. I happen to agree that an Israel that is uninterested in changing the status quo in either the direction of annexation (aka a single state with voting rights for all) or partition (aka a resolution based upon UNSC resolution 242) is bad in the present tense and bound to get worse, but the question is why would one say that one loves Israel if one does not feel threatened as a Jew in America and I feel that there are many reasons why, including the people who one personally knows there.

      • Annie Robbins
        October 26, 2015, 2:54 pm

        the question is why would one say that one loves Israel if one does not feel threatened as a Jew in America

        i pretty much turned off after reading your little ad hominem diatribe about your lack of trust in me and phil, your declarations about what i allegedly care about and what i allegedly distain. you had your word and i get it. you have friends there and think jew feel threatened in america. i don’t care, not after your little hissy fit.

      • inbound39
        October 26, 2015, 12:42 am

        People are best protected by the way in which they conduct themselves interacting with others. You get back what you put out.

      • eljay
        October 26, 2015, 1:37 pm

        || yonah fredman: annie, then let me express where my support for Israel comes from. it comes from the fact that the Zionist movement saved the lives of 300,000 Jews who moved to Palestine between 1920 and 1940. … ||

        At whose expense did this salvation come and why do you hate those people?

        || … it comes from the fact that the declaration of a state by Ben Gurion in May of 1948 was the culmination of much effort and blood spilled and a historic event at a moment in time that cried out for a Jewish army. … ||

        That moment in time – like all moments in time during which people are persecuted – cried out for justice, accountability and equality. No moment in time ever cries out for injustice, immorality or supremacism.

      • Mooser
        October 26, 2015, 1:46 pm

        “There are no guarantees in this world, but I certainly don’t trust the sentiments of you and Phil Weiss to really care about the world’s Jews.”

        Oh wait, “Yonah” you are moving to fast for me. Now, who is it that “care(s) about the world’s Jews”. Is it you, or are you talking of Israel’s leaders and Zionism? Are they the ones who “care about the world’s Jews”?

        “then let me express where my support for Israel”

        The support that couldn’t keep you there? Gonna take more than words Yonah, you know that.

        Oh my G-tt in Himmelfarb it just occurred to me! “Yonah” this may be a very radical idea, but give it some thought: If you “don’t trust the sentiments of you (Annie) and Phil Weiss” you don’t have to read them!

      • Mooser
        October 26, 2015, 1:59 pm

        “You care about America and that’s it. you root for the underdogs, the indigenous…”

        “Yonah”! Take it easy! Are you training for an Astronaut and posting from the Centrifugal force machine? Try sitting in a darkened, quiet room holding a cloth soaked in easu-de-cologne against your first and second temples.

        (Jeez, I never know it was this tough, we Jews are opposed both by America, and the indigenous and underdogs, too. Nobody knows the trouble we’ve seen )

      • Mooser
        October 26, 2015, 2:22 pm

        ” the Zionist movement saved the lives of 300,000 Jews who moved to Palestine between 1920 and 1940.”

        That’s nice. Who couldn’t like that?

        “It comes from the fact that 5 million Jews live in israel today.”

        And I was worried about the Jewish birth-rate? I can see they have the situation well in hand!

      • echinococcus
        October 26, 2015, 5:46 pm

        Mr Fredman lets the cat out of the bag.
        Screw humanity. The Jews (whatever that means) and nothing else.
        Well, you could have said that right at the start, Reb Feldman, and saved us the trouble of even ever looking at one of your posts.

      • RoHa
        October 26, 2015, 11:20 pm

        ” then let me express where my support for Israel comes from. it comes from the fact that”

        yonah only really cares about Jews.

      • Mooser
        October 27, 2015, 12:03 pm

        “yonah” only really cares about Jews.”

        That’s funny. I don’t get the impression Yonah likes us, at all.

      • CigarGod
        October 27, 2015, 12:27 pm

        Ha!
        Unless we join his congregation. But even then he’ll scream at us like a Baptist preacher.

      • Mooser
        October 27, 2015, 1:06 pm

        “But even then he’ll scream at us like a Baptist preacher.”

        ROTLMSJAO!! No, I really, really don’t think Yonah (or any of them, they all have this in common) is quite as brave and belligerent facing real people. He’s a sniveler and a retreater.
        Besides, “Yonah” is as dependent as a child. If he was to say the wrong thing here, and the wrong person read it, he might end up starving.

      • eljay
        October 28, 2015, 7:29 am

        || Mooser: That’s funny. I don’t get the impression Yonah likes us, at all. ||

        Maybe you’re not Jewish enough, or you’re the “wrong kind” of Jew. Dunno. Perhaps y.f. will clarify…

      • Mooser
        October 28, 2015, 3:08 pm

        “Maybe you’re not Jewish enough, or you’re the “wrong kind” of Jew. Dunno. Perhaps y.f. will clarify… “

        My wife knows how to clarify butter for certain recipes, but it would take a Chef Rabbi to clarify “Yonah”! If he knows how to shake the butter-mold, of course. Let Rebbe Thomas show you how it’s done!

    • Marnie
      October 26, 2015, 1:13 am

      “Too hot in the US”?

      I’m sorry to say that’s already happened Yonah – the ADL, JDL and AIPAC are all over a case of an officer worker who couldn’t get the last day of Sukkot off. F*&king antisemites!!

    • bryan
      October 27, 2015, 6:39 am

      yonah: “the other half of the world’s Jews, who have no guarantee of American protection.”

      So far they haven’t done that bad what with the burying of the King-Crane Commission Report, the outrageous lobbying carried out before the vote on the UN partition proposal, the instant recognition of the newly founded state, the turning of a blind eye to the USS Liberty and Dimona, the constant interventions in the UN, the constant provision of arms and subsidies, the extreme forbearance when the Israeli PM attempts to sabotage key planks in American foreign policy, the poodle-like attack on Saddam’s Iraq, etc., etc.

      But yours are wise words – this cannot continue indefinitely. With regard to Netanyahu’s latest outrage, remember the sword Israel ha chosen to live by is a borrowed sword, and if he continues to argue that the occupation and settlements and the apartheid “status quo” must continue for ever and ever, there will come a time when you seriously piss off your patron and protector, and its long-suffering tax-payers. When that time comes – Adelson will not be able to do anything about it

      • Sibiriak
        October 27, 2015, 7:50 am

        bryan: So far they haven’t done that bad what with the burying of the King-Crane Commission Report…
        ————–

        Who are you saying buried the King-Crane report, and how?

  10. Helena Cobban
    October 24, 2015, 7:20 pm

    Phil, this was all great till you got to: “Terry Gross needs to interview these guys on NPR.” come on, Phil, surely you know what a super-ardent Zionist gatekeeper Ms Gross is! Hell will freeze over beford she lets onto her show anyone who challenges the AIPAC orthodoxy.

    Also, by saying, “Terry Gross needs to interview these guys on NPR” you invest her with way too my authority/credibility. To heck with the small-minded, provincially bounded Terry Gross. There are plenty of other people in the MSM more significant than her. It is *they* who should be, and may well be about to be, interviewing these guys. Don’t give TG any more credit or credibility than the very small amount she deserves.

    • JWalters
      October 24, 2015, 7:40 pm

      While not disagreeing with your assessment of Terry Gross, I suspect Phil is focused more on the relatively prominent platform she occupies. As such, like many others, she warrants being coaxed and shamed over her lack of professional, objective standards in covering Israel / Palestine, and her contribution thereby to the destruction of the free press and democracy in America. And I agree those “other people in the MSM” definitely deserve the same treatment.

      • Ellen
        October 25, 2015, 3:38 am

        TErry is vapid, superficial and boring. She is all Zio babble. I remember she was interviewing someone on developments in understanding Autism. It was an interesting guest and she managed to take a side thread and turn the interview into Nazis, Holocaust, etc.

        Her guest was polite and tried to stay on track.

        Gross is an embarrassment and NPR is increasingly provincial and boring.

    • kalithea
      October 24, 2015, 9:20 pm

      I agree; don’t give credit where it’s not deserved. I hate to make this analogy but one cookie for one good act, and until and unless that happens…no cookies! Bad biased behavior that enables Israeli occupation and apartheid should not be rewarded in anyone; Jew or other.

    • CigarGod
      October 24, 2015, 10:33 pm

      I agree Helen. I haven’t seen any evidence that TG has laid a single brick in a foundation to support Phil’s comment.
      Maybe like me…Phil just likes her sexy laughter.

  11. kalithea
    October 24, 2015, 10:29 pm

    These are two drops in an ocean of Jewish indulgence of Israeli; we’re not even at the ripple stage yet; so how far off is a tidal wave when Palestinians are suffering every day for decades? I’m thinking only tsunami-like change will make a difference.

    Here’s what I consider tsunami-like change, when Jews start saying things like:

    Zionism: Not in my name, you don’t!; I don’t want to save Israel from itself; I want to save Palestinian humanity from Zionist inhumanity; so I’m turning the latter in and becoming a witness for the former. As long as Palestinians are denied rights, and all land promised to them from day one is not returned, and as long as they are a militarily-occupied people; I refuse to go to Israel even if Adelson, Saban or Bronfman pay my way and all expenses! If Netanyahu commits one more war crime in my name and for my benefit I’ll work to get a minimum ten Jewish friends to renounce Zionism forever for every war crime he commits. If this crime against humanity that Zionism is promoting doesn’t stop, I will dedicate every day it endures to tearing down Zionism.”

    Okay?

    That’s called moral integrity – not I want to save you from yourself, or save Israel from itself, but I renounce you and what you’re doing in my name and embrace the victims of your criminal occupation.

    So here’s another analogy of wishy-washy moral integrity: I like you; I love so I’m just going to criticize you after you beat up on your wife and kids every night you get sloshed; but don’t worry I won’t call the cops or defriend you. I just want to save you from yourself, that’s all; your wife and kids don’t really matter to me, only you.

    Now if these two are able to create a Jewish movement to bring BDS to the mainstream despite their Zionist motive and inability to recognize the victims of this apartheid and ROR, then this might prove helpful, otherwise, this is just more Jewish lip service and I’m really skeptical, especially of their motive.

  12. Annie Robbins
    October 24, 2015, 10:54 pm

    Weyl is the opposite of tribal.

    phil, you must not have heard his argument at the 66th Annual Latke Hamantash Debate.

    while the arc of justice is long, it bends in the shape of a latke

    (1:08:56 in the video) http://news.uchicago.edu/multimedia/66th-annual-latke-hamantash-debate

    he argues that the mass production of the latke set off an economic and culinary revolution that swept the world. Weyl’s micro economic data clearly identifies the causal effect of the latke on human development.. but specifically the state of israel as compared to the arab countries. the information is truly astounding, way bigger than cherry tomatoes.

  13. Kay24
    October 24, 2015, 11:02 pm

    They still cannot get it. The zionist and Americans pretend putting cameras in Al Aqsa will end violence. This is nothing but hog-wash, eye wash, and a feeble attempt to show the world they are doing something to ease the tensions. They are unable to connect the violence with the occupation. How disappointing.

    “Palestinians Scorn Israeli Gestures on Temple Mount: ‘Cameras in Al-Aqsa Won’t End Violence’
    Netanyahu reportedly agrees to steps showing Israel’s commitment to status quo, but Palestinians say unrest is about more than Al-Aqsa Mosque; ‘We took to the streets to say we’re fed up with the occupation,’ Palestinian activist says.
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.682147

    • inbound39
      October 25, 2015, 3:20 am

      Precisely Kay….it’s just a band aid with the cameras…….it won’t stop the settler violence or police violence against the Palestinians wanting to pray there.

      • Kay24
        October 26, 2015, 10:28 pm

        Yes, the US keeps putting this teeny weeny bandaids while pretending it is trying to solve the present conflict, but in reality they are just playing good cop/bad cop, while the brutal occupier extracts all the land their greedy hearts desire.

  14. yourstruly
    October 25, 2015, 12:52 am

    In addition to expressing their love for Israel by coming out publicly for BDS, the two professors might consider challenging the WH and Congress to terminate their support for the Zionist state – military, economic and diplomatic – thereby proving that they too love Israel.

    • Al2Sultan
      October 25, 2015, 3:08 am

      Tell us what is your grand hope. That the Palestinians become strong enough to murder the 7 million Jews of israel? Is that your goal? That israel should be replaced with an Arab Islamic extremist state? Why is it that people like you deny the jewish people’s right to independence in their ancient historic homeland? Do you hate all the life saving science and technology that israel creates each year? Do you dream of a backward state under sharia law instead of a country who produces more novel prize winners per capita than any nation on earth? What is it with the demented never ending desire to destroy the Jews? Please tell us

      • Mooser
        October 26, 2015, 2:12 pm

        ‘Why is it that people like you deny the jewish people’s right to independence in their ancient histrionic homeland?’

        Fixed it for you, Sultan. Try to remember to upper-case the “J” in the future.

      • RoHa
        October 26, 2015, 11:35 pm

        “Tell us what is your grand hope.”

        A democratic state in Palestine with equal rights for all its citizens.

        ” Why is it that people like you deny the jewish people’s right to independence in their ancient historic homeland?”

        Because there is no such right.

        “Do you hate all the life saving science and technology that israel creates each year?”

        No, we hate the misery, the cruelty, and the injustice Israel perpetrates each year.

        “Do you dream of a backward state under sharia law”

        No. Nor a backward state under Jewish Law.

        ” instead of a country who produces more novel prize winners per capita than any nation on earth?”

        Novel? Booker Prize? Perhaps you mean Nobel. Most Israeli Nobel Prize winners were educated outside Israel, and did most of their research outside Israel.

        ” What is it with the demented never ending desire to destroy the Jews?”

        The desire to create a reasonably just society in Palestine is not a desire to destroy the Jews.

    • echinococcus
      October 25, 2015, 3:33 am

      Yours,
      Let’s avoid Phil’s usual delusion: how can anyone expect anything useful for the “love of Israel” when that is precisely the single root problem of the invaded and enslaved owners of the entire country? Of course, some benefit out of their actions’ side effects are possible –I strongly doubt if this is action would provide it. If they are joining the boycott like JVP did it, it may well end up with one more catastrophe for the solidarity with the resistance.

    • bryan
      October 25, 2015, 5:38 am

      To be fair to them, yourstruly, they did say they were “calling on our universities to divest and our elected representatives to withdraw aid to Israel” and call for “a withdrawal of U.S. aid and diplomatic support”.

  15. niass2
    October 25, 2015, 6:41 am

    I’m Jewish and my dad went to harvard, does that count? Anyways whetevr duhhh, umm I wont even buy american made jewish products anymore, like I am defintely clearly noticing that all the food in the Jewish section at the stop and shop in Medford is all marked way down,, be it from Isreal or from say Manischevitz in NY. No one is buying. But, actually this is deep, these guys look funny, its a no brainer anyways that young Jews would Boycott Isreal, we would boycott south africa if it was 1984, Harvard geeks are geeks though. A camera? Yes cameras are for covering. I know a joke see u on the new england acid rain 2015 fall tour. And like no these folks still are like “who me, well Im a liberal and so etc whatever apartheid is like just put a camera and leave me/us/it alone etc. Recall Sharpeville, or mau mau, Nyabinghi warriors, Soweto, Peter Tosh. Africa….Love Isreal, why? Really, why should I, what did it do for me except make my relatives confused and crazy.

    • Annie Robbins
      October 25, 2015, 12:35 pm

      how do you define “jewish products”?

      • Mooser
        October 25, 2015, 1:28 pm

        “how do you define “jewish products”?”

        They have a certain smile, a certain sadness?

      • Annie Robbins
        October 25, 2015, 2:47 pm

        Anyways whetevr duhhh, umm

      • Les
        October 25, 2015, 4:45 pm

        NPR, the New York Times, the New Yorker, the New York Review of Books, and so many many more media owners/operators.

      • echinococcus
        October 26, 2015, 9:59 pm

        Obvious, Dear Watson. The aisle is marked “Jewish Products” (as she said.)

      • Annie Robbins
        October 27, 2015, 8:47 am

        niass2 did not say the aisle was marked “jewish products”.

      • echinococcus
        October 27, 2015, 10:03 am

        You’re right of course, Annie; it seems she said they are in “the Jewish section at the stop and shop in Medford” –the ghetto in the stop and shop, i.e. in our day and place the poshest neighborhood. I went and checked similar “sections” and specialized delis and I’ll be damned if said products aren’t all bristling with notices, symbols, flags and warnings that they are, each one of them, truly and genuinely Jewish. Almost as if they were sporting skullcaps and davening on their shelves.

      • Mooser
        October 27, 2015, 11:52 am

        “Obvious, Dear Watson. The aisle is marked “Jewish Products” (as she said.)”

        That helps to make sure nobody picks up the wrong thing in the supermarket. You don’t want to squeeze a melon you can’t buy, or take home the wrong product.

      • CigarGod
        October 27, 2015, 12:33 pm

        Things are much nicer at my market. The Maneshevits is on the bottom shelf. I can just lay down on the carpet next to the heater vent and grab a fresh bottle.

      • Annie Robbins
        October 27, 2015, 12:42 pm

        i just wondered if a jewish person made (or grew) a product if it could then be defined as a jewish product. like, are bagels a jewish product? and does this mean people will stop eating/buying bagels? this just doesn’t make much sense to me. i think it seems more reasonable to target products and companies that empower the occupation. i wouldn’t think of boycotting a chocolate bar made in brooklyn by jews. i mean, not unless they sent their profits to settlements or the idf or something. and i’ve never been in a store with a sign that says “jewish products”. of course there are areas that sell matzos but they are sitting next to other crackers.

        bds doesn’t target jews or jewish products per se. at all.

      • Mooser
        October 27, 2015, 1:59 pm

        ” like, are bagels a jewish product? “

        Only after they put the hole in the middle. Before that, who knows?

        “i’ve never been in a store with a sign that says “jewish products”. of course there are areas that sell matzos but they are sitting next to other crackers.”

        I know my local Safeway (where they put the holes in the bagels) usually gives some shelf space to “Kosher-for-Passover” products at that time of year. Maybe that’s where it comes from.

      • Annie Robbins
        October 27, 2015, 2:39 pm

        oh, ok. and what echi said:

        products … all bristling with notices, symbols, flags and warnings that they are, each one of them, truly and genuinely Jewish. Almost as if they were sporting skullcaps and davening on their shelves.

        perhaps my radar has just not picked this up.

    • Mooser
      October 25, 2015, 3:52 pm

      “I’m Jewish and my dad went to harvard, does that count?”

      Does that count? A whole lot! You’re a legacy dude! They’ve got to let you in!

      “Anyways whetevr duhhh, umm”

      Okay, it’s dumb, Jewish products aren’t like the bossa nova! But I kept it clean. When it comes to Jewish branding, that ain’t easy.

  16. Kay24
    October 25, 2015, 10:16 am

    OT, but I cannot understand why Fareed Zakaria must have the zip-neocon Wolfowitz on his show, to ask whether Bush was responsible for 9/11 happening. This is ridiculous. This man was one of the despicable criminals to lied and pushed us into attacking Iraq.
    He should be treated like a pariah.

    As if he will admit it was Bush’s fault, and that he made a mistake attacking Iraq afterwards.

    Zacharia needs a reality check sometimes.

    • CigarGod
      October 25, 2015, 10:22 am

      Yes he does, but if you have noticed, our co-opted medias have been rehabilitating them all…from the APA to Wolfie.

    • just
      October 25, 2015, 10:50 am

      Not so very OT, kay24. The Neocon cabal enabled and continues to enable Netanyahu and his lies.

      Zakaria must enjoy the heady (less) fragrance of neocons, eau de mort and eau de kill.

      (Wolfowitz should be in shackles and without access to a comb! Instead he’s given the mike on primetime TV infotainment shows.)

    • Kay24
      October 25, 2015, 3:26 pm

      CG and Just I agree with your comments. The scoundrels who lied to us, are totally devoted to the zionists, and if you take a good look at the signatories of PNAC you can see the same ziocons
      singing the same song about Iran.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

  17. ivri
    October 25, 2015, 10:32 am

    Questioning the usefulness of Israel for the US ignores what has been going on in the last decades is peculiar. Having in your camp a country in the region that is committed to you and shares your general global outlook, effective in the use of resources and generally resourceful, a knowledge-era champion, Western style and democratic, have world-class military abilities, an indispensable source of information on the region since within it and have widely-acclaimed r intelligence services.
    Giving up on all that – and in a time when all is so shaky in the region? Somebody who suggests that may hate Israel but also doesn`t really care about the US either. Finding all kinds of faults and blemishes is an easy exercise – nobody is perfect and there are always all kinds of divergences – but the BIG Picture is what matters here. Especially so given with all alternative countries it is the opposite situation: you need to swallow huge frogs for the meagre benefits offered.

    • Mooser
      October 25, 2015, 12:12 pm

      “Questioning the usefulness of Israel…/…meagre benefits offered.”

      “Irvi”, “Irvi”…”IRVI!” Wake up, dude! You’re talking in your sleep.

      • ivri
        October 25, 2015, 3:27 pm

        @Mooser
        Can`t blame you man. You are already so deep in the counter-truth culture that developed here that a voice from the real world disturbs your peace. I am truly sorry but have you ever wondered how come the entire establishment in your country sees matters in the way I present them?

      • Mooser
        October 25, 2015, 4:35 pm

        “…the entire establishment in your country sees matters in the way I present them?”

        Jeez, I hate to wake a guy during a pleasant nocturnal emission, but “Irvi” is a regular son-of-a…somina… ahh, got it! Sonambulist! that’s it. The combination is unseemly, to say the least.

      • talknic
        October 26, 2015, 3:59 am

        ” have you ever wondered how come the entire establishment in your country sees matters in the way I present them?”

        WOW!!! Is that a fact?

        Have you ever wondered why some of the entire establishment don’t know?

    • talknic
      October 26, 2015, 4:14 am

      @ ivri “Having in your camp a country in the region that is committed to you and shares your general global outlook, effective in the use of resources and generally resourceful, a knowledge-era champion, Western style and democratic, have world-class military abilities, an indispensable source of information on the region since within it and have widely-acclaimed r intelligence services.”

      ‘scuse me but which country are you talking about?
      The country that can’t even figure out how to write it’s constitution?
      The country that has never had a legal election, under the promised constitution?
      The one that claims as its own, territory it occupied without any agreement with the legitimate inhabitants of those territories?
      The one that recently failed to stop the US led Iranian nuclear deal?
      The one who has snipers who at close range can’t hit a foot or an arm or a leg with some of the finest military hardware available to mankind?
      The one that’s so unintelligent it has hundreds of UNSC resolutions against it?

    • eljay
      October 26, 2015, 7:51 am

      || ivri: Questioning the usefulness of Israel for the US ignores what has been going on in the last decades is peculiar. Having in your camp a country in the region … Finding all kinds of faults and blemishes is an easy exercise – nobody is perfect and there are always all kinds of divergences – but the BIG Picture is what matters here. … ||

      Gotta love it when the newest “best argument” for Israel is that, like Saudi Arabia, it is a useful implement in the American tool-chest.

      Zio-supremacists should keep in mind that Israel, like all similar implements – Iraq, Libya and Syria, for example – can break (or be broken) and be discarded.

    • mariapalestina
      October 26, 2015, 11:51 am

      Ivri: “Nobody is perfect.”

      Couldn’t help remembering that wonderful final line by Joe E Brown to Jack Lemmon in “Some Like it Hot” (Wish I was adept at posting video clips)

      I just watched the clip again, and laughed again, just as I laughed at Ivri’s comment. Priceless.

      • RoHa
        October 26, 2015, 11:40 pm

        This?

  18. pabelmont
    October 25, 2015, 1:20 pm

    A big problem in combating ideology-based and ideology-protected idiocy is to counter the ideology. Saying “I love Israel and therefore I have a double standard” seems a good way to enlist the same ideology to help counter uits usual effect.

    Thanks everyone!

  19. Les
    October 25, 2015, 7:39 pm

    Guess what kind of people Temple Emanuel has invited to discuss BDS on election day Tuesday November 3 at 7:00 PM? What Jewish Philadelphia lawyer will argue that the efforts of BDS to get international law enforced is illegal?

    David Harris, Executive Director of American Jewish Committee, will bring a global perspective on this strategy that continues to try to undermine the Jewish state across the globe.

    Panel includes:
    Eric Fingerhut, Executive Director of Hillel International
    David Harris, American Jewish Committee Executive Director
    Lauren Rogers, Activist/California College Student

    Moderated by Rabbi Joshua M. Davidson.

    Additional panelists to be announced.

    Jewish BDS supporters owe it to themselves to show up.

    for details:
    link to emanuelskirballnyc.org

  20. Krendall Mist
    October 25, 2015, 10:20 pm

    There you have it, “non-Jews” (goyim). You do not have permission to support boycott until Jewish American intellectual lover of Israel say you may.

  21. talknic
    October 26, 2015, 3:21 am

    This is kind of funny — Sydney Morning Herald @ 6:19pm EST

    Roy headed to start-up nation Israel
    Wyatt Roy to scour the hi-tech powerhouse nation for inspiration for the government’s innovation agenda.”

    Clicking on the link gets
    “Unfortunately we currently do not have any content for Wyatt Roy Headed To Startup Nation Israel”

  22. dianab
    October 26, 2015, 7:52 pm

    Phil, you wrote:

    “I don’t believe that Palestinian solidarity activists will embrace this move, because it largely ignores their struggle; but for anyone who wants to transform the U.S. discourse and liberate the Jewish community from blindness, it’s welcome.”

    As a Palestinian solidarity activist, I find your remark unbelievably insulting. Do you not think that we Palestinian solidarity activists want to “transform the U.S. discourse and liberate the Jewish community from blindness”? Just what do you think we’re working toward anyhow?

    Shame on you, Philip Weiss. With this alone, you give journalists a very bad name.

  23. ET
    August 22, 2016, 3:55 pm

    The unlawful single-state is the Sionist objective through ethnic cleansing
    .
    1. There is no single-state solution; Its a UNGA 181 Two-state UN Chapter XII, Article 80 Terms of UN Trusteeship Agreement
    1.1 UNGA 181 cannot be circumvented
    1.2 UNGA 181 cannot be vacated
    1.3 UNGA 181 State of Palestine sovereignty cannot be dissolved
    1.3.1 UNGA 181 is in effect
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1052233094866491&set=a.513375965418876.1073741833.100002394314450&type=3&theater
    .
    2 Absurd premise that the object of any peace efforts would be to breach International Law of UN Charter, Laws of Armed Conflict, & Vienna Conventions on International Relations
    2.1 Any Israel_Palestine Peace Agreement shall be qualified by Vienna Convention on Laws of Treaties Article 53 jus cogens vis-a-vis UN multi-laterals of UN Charter & I_973 Geneva
    2.1.1 VC_LOT Article 53
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1026772450745889&set=a.513375965418876.1073741833.100002394314450&type=3&theater
    .
    3 Israel_Palestine Negotiations are purposed for modalioccupying power of State of Israel to transfer Political Administration & National Defense Obligations to a UNGA 181 State of Palestine Government
    3.1 Modality
    .
    3.2 Non-issues for negotiation
    3.2.1 Borders are defined in UNGA 181 Part II Boundaries
    3.2.2 Jerusalem is UN sovereignty:
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=900737143349421&set=a.513375965418876.1073741833.100002394314450&type=3&theater
    .
    3.3 UNGA 194 Refugeess
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=730156190407518&set=a.513375965418876.1073741833.100002394314450&type=3&theater

    4 Self-evident Sionist Fraud of propagated falsehood that Israel_Palestine Conflict could be Civil War of secession
    41 When UN Charter Chapter XII Article 85 Organ of General Assembly has enacted UNGA 3236 PLO Mandate, A/RES/43/177 Government-in-Exile under Article 84
    4.2 When UN Charter Chapter IV Article 10 Organ has enacted UNGA 181, UNGA 273, UNGA 3237 PLO Mission, & A/RES/67/10 Observer State of Palestine
    4.3 When the UNSC has enacted Chapter VII UNSC 242 addressing breach of 1949 Armistice, UNSC 1397 Settlements equal aggression, UNSC 1435 application of I_973 Geneva
    .
    5 Abbas qualified by Vienna Convention on Laws of Treaties Article 50 corruption has having zero powers to Represent the People of the UNGA 181 State of Palestine
    5.1 VC_LOT Article 47 Notification
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=901471446609324&set=a.513375965418876.1073741833.100002394314450&type=3&theater
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    6 Sionists employing lawful means of negotiations towards unlawful object of breaching UN Charter UNGA 181 & UNSC 242; breaching Laws of Armed Conflict I_973 Geneva Article 49; & breaching Vienna Convention on Laws of Treaties Article 53 qualifies these actions as Principles of Nuremberg War Criminal Enterprise
    6.1 War Crimes
    https://www.facebook.com/vistavision13/media_set?set=a.512491405507332.1073741828.100002394314450&type=3

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