The refreshing bluntness of Ayelet Shaked

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Last summer, about a week before Israel invaded Gaza and just one day before settlers in East Jerusalem kidnapped and murdered Palestinian teenager Mohammed Abu Khdeir, Israeli politician Ayelet Shaked took to Facebook to call for the genocide of Palestinians. Quoting an unpublished article by a settler activist, she wrote:

What’s so horrifying about understanding that the entire Palestinian people is the enemy? Every war is between two peoples, and in every war the people who started the war, that whole people, is the enemy…They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.

Even in the fiercely nationalistic environment of Israeli politics, the far-right firebrand recently described in the Daily Beast as “The Scariest Politician in Israel” managed to stick out.

On Wednesday night, a crowd of several dozen gathered at the Yeshiva University Museum on a quiet residential block in downtown Manhattan to hear a conversation between Cardozo law professor Suzanne Last Stone and Shaked, who was appointed Israel’s Justice Minister in May. Held in the museum’s small atrium, the event had the subdued atmosphere of a book reading. The only sign of her status as a controversial politician was the presence of a small security detail standing around the perimeter of the room in suits and earpieces. The name of the talk was “The Justice of Shmita,” referring to the traditional Jewish sabbatical year. Shaked spoke of how, as part of shmita, her party – the Naftali Bennett-led Jewish Home – had supported debt forgiveness for some 30,000 Israelis (an unusual move for a far-right party, but one in which Shaked claims to find no contradiction).

Cardozo law professor Suzanne Last Stone

Cardozo law professor Suzanne Last Stone

Professor Stone’s laid-back demeanor gave the impression of someone undisturbed by Shaked’s record of racial incitement. She made no mention of the infamous “snakes” rant, but pushed back slightly against some of the more blatant xenophobia. Invoking the “resident stranger,” she wondered if perhaps Shaked was being a little too inhospitable, at least to the immigrants already living within Israel’s borders. According to Jewish tradition, the resident stranger – or ger toshav – is a non-Jew who accepts some of the commandments of the Torah in return for permission to reside in Israel. Stone’s focus on tradition rather than politics or international law comes with its own set of problems. A more in-depth reading of the Jewish notion of ger toshav might mention this questionable edict from Leviticus: “Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.” Drawing on Jewish tradition to shape modern morality can be a losing battle.

Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked in New York, photo by Robert Bryan

Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked in New York, photo by Robert Bryan

As it turns out, drawing on Jewish tradition to challenge Ayelet Shaked is a losing battle as well. Whenever Stone tried to broach the subject of “Jewish values,” it became evident that Shaked had no interest in such values, at least in the traditional religious sense of the term. Liberty, nonviolence, justice – to her and the Jewish Home party, all can be readily sacrificed to the overarching mission of ethnic and religious homogeneity. The ideology of Naftali Bennett is hostile to any interpretation of Judaism that would place greater emphasis on these values than on settlement expansion, wars of aggression, and the jailing of innocent refugees.

The more Stone tried to bring the discussion back to the topic of values, the more the two women talked past each other. Shaked claimed that Israel – unlike the U.S. – was simply not a country of immigrants, and that the refugee crisis must be addressed with proper consideration for the so-called demographic threat posed by a sudden influx of non-Jews.

Putting aside the Jewish refugees who fled to Israel to escape the Holocaust and the Palestinian refugees who fled from Israel to escape the Nakba, the history of Israel as told in the Torah is explicitly a story of refugees. The power of the book of Exodus, to Jews and gentiles alike, is to depict the escape from captivity and journey to a promised land of milk and honey where suffering and persecution could give way to peace and prosperity. And yet when asylum seekers from Sudan and Eritrea track Moses’ path across the Sinai in order to escape war and genocide, they are treated like vermin by the white supremacists of the Jewish Home party, who demand their captivity in Saharonim Prison.

There is something almost refreshing about Shaked’s bluntness, the shameless ease with which she warns of the demographic threat posed to Israel’s Jewish character by “infiltrators” and the bill she passed to stop them. The African immigrants she speaks of, many of whom arrive by foot, are fleeing horrific circumstances and are trying to make Israel their home. They have no intention to destroy the country or attack its inhabitants. Yet to Shaked, they are menaces nonetheless, solely by virtue of their not being Jewish. This is Zionism unvarnished, free of any mitigating factors – compassion, mercy, acceptance – that secular humanism might provide. Speaking at length about the conflict between Israel’s Jewish character and its supposed commitment to democracy, Shaked said there are three kinds of Israelis: those who see Judaism and democracy as equally important, those who prize Judaism over democracy, and those who want to be “democratic but not Jewish.” The very idea of a secular democratic state elicited a chuckle from someone behind me.

There were a few passing mentions of the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign (BDS), not as a full-fledged protest movement with concrete demands and a principled stance, but merely as something to be “defeated.” Yet the fact that it was even discussed should be seen as a good sign: the fear of a boycott was every bit as palpable as the fear of immigrants. There was also some mention of administrative detention – or imprisonment without trial – one of the the means by which Israel exerts total control over its Palestinian subjects. Administrative detention is also being used to hold right-wing Jewish terrorists held in connection with the recent deadly arson attack in the West Bank. And Shaked acknowledged that the perpetrators were “probably” Jewish.

There are echoes of Trump in Shaked’s fear-mongering about “infiltrators” – to the Israeli right (and arguably to the Israeli public at large), Palestinians and Africans play the same role as Mexicans do to the American white nationalist crowd. What was striking about the event was just how nakedly Shaked played on fears of The Other – even using the phrase “the other” to describe those who fall outside the purview of Jewish self-interest. This Other includes refugees, asylum seekers, Palestinians living under occupation in the West Bank and Gaza, and Arab citizens of Israel. It does not, however, include homosexuals, as Shaked was quick to point out in her broken English: “Regarding the gays, by the way, we support all the civil rights for gays and we promote also that gays can have the mortgage.”

During the Q&A, an elderly refugee from Nazi Germany stood up to express his displeasure. “This conversation has been far too polite,” he protested, describing Israel as “one of the most bellicose countries on earth” and saying it made him “very sad” to see Israel’s rightward turn under Netanyahu. Though Israel’s history teems with liberal politicians arguing for policies similar to Shaked’s call for ethnic cleansing to maintain Jewish purity, it was refreshing to see a semblance of sanity among all the racist calls for preserving “Jewish identity.” The man sat down, his sour expression unchanged.

For the first time that night, Shaked appeared rattled. “I didn’t hear a question,” she said. And with that, the event came to an end.

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  1. pabelmont
    October 3, 2015, 1:34 pm

    Yeah, refreshing, right. Anti-Zionists could make banners with her words on them, and no further explanation would be necessary. Israel trains its children to hate and to kill!

    Refreshing, though only for polemical purposes.

    Imagine if every city in USA had a rabbi willing to give (disapproving) sermons on these sentiments! (I’m sure some do, although approvingly).

  2. a blah chick
    October 3, 2015, 1:47 pm

    “What was striking about the event was just how nakedly Shaked played on fears of The Other… It does not, however, include homosexuals, as Shaked was quick to point out in her broken English: “Regarding the gays, by the way, we support all the civil rights for gays and we promote also that gays can have the mortgage.”

    But, but what about that Jewish Home party meet and greet in Haifa where the gay and lesbians activists were physically assaulted? And the guy who had that “beast parade” wasn’t he in their party? And who in the Jewish Home party voting against that bill that would have protected gays from discrimination in housing and jobs? I must have hallucinated all that.

    “During the Q&A, an elderly refugee from Nazi Germany stood up to express his displeasure. “This conversation has been far too polite,”

    Amen, brother.

    • Citizen
      October 3, 2015, 9:45 pm

      “During the Q&A, an elderly refugee from Nazi Germany stood up to express his displeasure. “This conversation has been far too polite.”

      I was instantly reminded of the beer garden scene in the movie Cabaret, where the young, rosy-cheeked, handsome, blonde Hitler youth stands up and starts singing Tomorrow Belongs To Me. The crowd drinking beer at the lawn tables has three generations in it; at first everyone is a tad amazed, but gradually they are seduced by the youth and his song; and they start standing too, in waves singing along too, and their eyes take on fanatical glow. Until the whole crowd is standing except–the camera focuses on a single, frail old man in a slouchy cap and sweater, somebody’s grandfather–he looks up, around, at the enraptured crowd led by the Hitler youth who’s crooning sweet song increasingly takes on an ardent, hard demanding tone, which is captured in the faces and bodies of the crowd–he shakes his head, he refuses to sing or stand–
      One has the impression he’s not stirred, only cynical–because he has seen this before, old wine in new bottles. It’s only when the camera pans back & focuses again on the boy who brought the sweet good news, that his full Hitlerjugend uniform is revealed.

    • piotr
      October 3, 2015, 10:30 pm

      And here you can learn that Shaked belongs to the moderate wing of her party that also has a faction of extreme religious nuts named Tkuma (they are more kooky). In general, Israel looks a bit like http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2014/06/21/1226962/118528-88cff38e-f8ce-11e3-a06e-793f22b94a46.jpg

  3. traintosiberia
    October 3, 2015, 1:58 pm

    In known history of Israel, moderates have never won. Worst is that it doesn’t revisit to correct the mistakes even when it is solidly anchored,powerful ,and respected . It does nt know how to use the power .Worse is the evolution of its narrative on its own genesis or movement to the future .. The new illegality,the new brutality,the new deception,the new sin ,the new breach of morality- all are normalized for the next course of action which again leads to same recycling of the same core principles and repeating the same behaviors. Saked is looking at the playbook of the original founders ,at the trio of Begin Dayan Rabin and remembering Shamir and Sharon . He can identify the identical facial lines on her own forehead and of Netanyahu.

    So the violent end is the only end that it can anticipate and be ready for .

  4. gracie fr
    October 3, 2015, 4:48 pm

    ….This is refreshing…!!!

    The Palestinian campaign to boycott Israeli goods has exacted a major cost on Israel’s exports to the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip….This victory is quietly acknowledged in a World Bank report released this week…..The World Bank warns that “the status quo is not sustainable and downside risks of further conflict and social unrest are high.” The international body calls for increased aid to the Palestinian Authority to offset this.

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/israeli-exports-hit-hard-palestinian-boycott-world-bank-says?utm_source=EI+readers&utm_campaign=733dccfb0b-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e802a7602d-733dccfb0b-290662377

  5. italian ex-pat
    October 3, 2015, 5:03 pm

    So. Taking Shaked’s statement literally, that ” the entire Palestinian people is the enemy . . . in every war the people who started the war are the enemy . . . . they are all enemy combatants”, she is saying that ALL Palestinians – even children – are guilty and deserve to be killed. Hmm. What war is she referring to, anyway: 1948, ’67, ’73? As far as I know, the Palestinians were all in their villages minding their own business when the Arab countries attacked Israel (or was it the other way around; depends on who’s telling the story). Or perhaps she’s calling ‘war’ the periodic ‘mowing of the lawn’ by Israel – hardly meeting the definition of the word.

    Following her logic, the Palestinians are then perfectly justified in viewing ALL Israelis as guilty of the violence carried out by the IDF and the crimes perpetrated by the settlers – right? So how can they be blamed for throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at Israeli civilians? Remember, there are no innocents; they are just fighting ‘enemy combatants’.
    Would Ms. Shaked agree?

  6. JLewisDickerson
    October 3, 2015, 5:38 pm

    RE: “Drawing on Jewish tradition to shape modern morality can be a losing battle.” ~ Rob Bryan

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    • JLewisDickerson
      October 4, 2015, 1:34 am

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      Note: The Spanish subtitles seem to auto-translate pretty well into English.

    • JLewisDickerson
      October 4, 2015, 1:48 am

      P.P.P.P.S. ANDREW LEVINE:

      . . . While the Pope was in the United States, I made a point of watching Luis Buñuel’s “Milky Way,” one of the greatest anarchist-surrealist films ever made.

      Buñuel follows the trek – through space and time — of two pilgrims en route from Paris to Santiago de Compostela in Spain.

      At one point, the pilgrims find themselves at a “spectacle” performed on the grounds of a Catholic girls school, as their bourgeois families picnic on the lawn outside.

      One of the pilgrims sees and hears – in his head – anarchists executing a Pope by firing squad. As it happens, the actor playing the Pope bore an uncanny resemblance to Francis – or rather to the Francis of a few years ago, before he moved to Vatican City and started gaining weight.

      A man from a family sharing food with the pilgrims hears the rifle shots too. He asks if there is a firing range nearby. The pilgrim replies that it was just him dreaming of anarchists shooting a Pope. The man then tells him, with a note of sadness in his voice, that one could live forever and never see anything like that.

      Meanwhile, the youngest group of girls is on stage, reciting one or another tenet of Catholic dogma in a litany that follows the formula: “and if anyone should deny that…., as determined at the Council of …., in ….., qu’il soit anathème, let him be anathema.”

      The scene then changes to a dungeon where Inquisitors are passing judgment on doubters and other tormented souls.

      The Pope’s visit did cast a ray of light upon an otherwise dreary electoral landscape, but Buñuel’s purchase on Popery was nevertheless salutary – if only for putting all those good Popish vibes in perspective. . .

      SOURCE – http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/02/the-saints-march-in-the-donald-and-the-pope/

  7. JLewisDickerson
    October 3, 2015, 5:54 pm

    RE: Shaked was quick to point out in her broken English: “Regarding the gays, by the way, we support all the civil rights for gays and we promote also that gays can have the mortgage.”

    MY QUESTION: Mortgage or marriage? There is a difference. Not much, but a wee bit.

    • Mooser
      October 3, 2015, 6:05 pm

      If we are going to have mortgage equality, we will see gay refinancees, too. It works the same for everybody.

    • RoHa
      October 3, 2015, 11:35 pm

      Mortgages are usually cheaper and less stressful.

      • Mooser
        October 4, 2015, 11:39 am

        “Mortgages are usually cheaper and less stressful.”

        Are you kidding? I’ve been a nervous wreck ever since I made the final payment. Who the hell lives in a house without paying rent or a mortgage? I lie awake nights waiting for the city to evict me for squatting. I try to tell myself I am house-sitting, but then I think “Jeez, when the owners get home they will kill me! Look at this place!”
        The stress is killing me. If I had teeth, I would grind them. How I wish I was comfortably upside-down, underwater again, where a man can breath.

      • CigarGod
        October 4, 2015, 12:22 pm

        Cheers, Mooser!
        (Punctuation is a gift for RoHa).

    • JLewisDickerson
      October 3, 2015, 11:39 pm

      P.S. ANSWER: Mortgages (definitely not marriages)! *

      * SEE: “Cabinet committee rejects same-sex housing benefits law” | By Lazar Berman | timesofisrael.com | December 8, 2013

      [EXCERPTS] The Ministerial Committee for Legislation unanimously rejected Sunday a bill that would enshrine in law married mortgage benefits for same-sex couples.

      The ministers saw the proposal as unnecessary, a cabinet statement said Sunday afternoon, since a government regulation in force since 2007 already grants same-sex couples those same benefits. . .

      . . . The debate followed last week’s spat between coalition members Yesh Atid and Jewish Home over a bill that seeks to expand child tax credits for gay fathers. That bill, sponsored by Yesh Atid MK Adi Kol, passed the Ministerial Committee for Legislation, a crucial step that grants the bill the support of the government — and thus an almost guaranteed parliamentary majority.

      However, the national-religious Jewish Home party enjoys a veto over matters of religion and state in the coalition agreement, and the party’s Knesset faction chair MK Ayelet Shaked managed to delay the bill’s continued progress after she convinced other coalition members that the bill violates the coalition agreement’s stipulations on the religious status quo due to its far-reaching implications for marriage laws.

      “The suggested bill overturns the status quo in religion and state as it exists in Israel, and its purpose is to undermine the public debate on civil marriage, which should be undertaken with seriousness,” she wrote.

      Marriage services for Jews in Israel are controlled by the state rabbinate. Israel has no civil marriage, so there is no existing framework that could be expanded to include gay couples.

      ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.timesofisrael.com/knesset-body-to-debate-same-sex-housing-credit/

      • traintosiberia
        October 4, 2015, 12:44 pm

        “Marriage services for Jews in Israel are controlled by the state rabbinate. Israel has no civil marriage, so there is no existing framework that could be expanded to include gay couples. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/refreshing-bluntness-shaked#comment-800317

        How does military avoid the quandary? Cam gay men lesbian women from military apply as a couple for mortgage without being married?

  8. JLewisDickerson
    October 3, 2015, 6:29 pm

    RE: “The refreshing bluntness of Ayelet Shaked”

    SPEAKING OF REFRESHING BLUNTNESS, SEE THIS: Israeli Advocates Palestinian Holocaust (Nati Mor’s Facebook post) *

    * SOURCE: “Israeli Advocates Palestinian Holocaust” | by Richard Silverstein | Tikun Olam | September 29, 2015

    [EXCERPT] Among the latest oddities and outrages in the Israeli media (including social and news media) are these:

    An Israeli Facebook user, Nati Mor, posted this “panegyric” to the Palestinian people (translation by Ronnie Barkan, who found this gem). Though it’s one of the most extreme statements I’ve read in some time, it’s important because it represents the views of so many more Israelis, including many who would never be so bold as to express themselves like this publicly:
    [Nati Mor’s Facebook post]
    I have sought the original post in his Facebook page but cannot find it. Likely, either his friends warned him to remove it or, as is often the case, the Israeli military censor monitors such social media sites and contacts users to remove such incendiary posts.

    Second oddity is a new children’s book about two street kittens rescued in Gaza by IDF soldiers during Operation Protective Edge (Tsuk Eytan in Hebrew). The book offers a severely truncated version of events leading to the war and focuses solely on the hardship and suffering it inflicted on Israelis. In fact, in the book Palestinians don’t exist, which seems fitting for contemporary views of them in Israel. The cats had no previous owners. They just came to the Israelis naturally as if they’d always known them and owned them. The names of the kittens? Tsuk and Eytan, of course. . .

    ENTIRE POST – http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/09/29/israeli-advocates-palestinian-holocaust/

  9. JWalters
    October 3, 2015, 6:58 pm

    Israel’s Justice Minister says bluntly that justice does not apply to non-Jews in Israel. This archaic, barbaric belief derives directly from her archaic, barbaric religious belief that Jews are inherently superior to non-Jews. And she has said the international community must “get used to” this idea.

    No. Such archaic, barbaric, ethnic supremacist beliefs must be obliterated from the face of the earth. They are the bane of the human race. Any modern, thoughtful person should be ashamed to associate with those beliefs, and especially with any political party or government that enforces them.

    Especially in America, media and political people should denounce and revolt against these archaic, barbaric beliefs and policies, which are in essence a return to the evil beliefs and policies of slavery. The silence is shamefully deafening. Thank God for Mondoweiss.

    • Mooser
      October 3, 2015, 7:47 pm

      “No. Such archaic, barbaric, ethnic supremacist beliefs must be obliterated from the face of the earth.”

      I don’t know, my Rabbi told me: “Never blame ‘barbaric, ethnic supremacist beliefs’ for what is usually accounted for by self-interest and stupidity and bigotry. You give her much more credit than she deserves.

      • Citizen
        October 3, 2015, 9:55 pm

        @ Mooser
        You must be really tired, eh?

      • Mooser
        October 3, 2015, 10:12 pm

        “You must be really tired, eh?”

        Yes, I am. I left out the end-quote mark. Sorry.

  10. Mayhem
    October 3, 2015, 7:07 pm

    Lies and distortions from Bryan.
    Firstly the quote that he attributes to Ayelet Shaked are not her words. She had merely referenced the text of an unpublished article by the late Israeli writer Uri Elitzur that referred to Palestinian children as “little snakes”.
    Secondly demeaning the Judaic concept of “ger toshav” is typical of the dishonest, disingenuous approach of Mondoweiss writers, where it is permissible to rubbish Judaism whilst any slating of Islam is immediately condemned as Islamophobia.

    • JWalters
      October 3, 2015, 8:03 pm

      “She had merely referenced the text”

      She PUBLISHED the text.

      An in-depth analysis of that concept is only demeaning because it finds the in-depth concept to be thoroughly deserving of being demeaned, like the other ethnic supremacist concepts to which it belongs.

      You have nothing but name-calling and empty scolding. You do not have the intellectual honesty or courage to address the actual facts and analysis. What a fraud.

    • just
      October 3, 2015, 8:20 pm

      “Firstly the quote that he attributes to Ayelet Shaked are not her words. She had merely referenced the text of an unpublished article by the late Israeli writer Uri Elitzur that referred to Palestinian children as “little snakes.”

      Uh- huh. Sure. Righto.

      bs.

    • echinococcus
      October 3, 2015, 8:27 pm

      In the text:
      “Quoting an unpublished article by a settler activist, she wrote:”

      I’ll abstain from words describing the so-called Mayhem.

    • Mooser
      October 3, 2015, 9:22 pm

      “the dishonest, disingenuous approach of Mondoweiss writers, where it is permissible to rubbish Judaism whilst any slating of Islam is immediately condemned as Islamophobia.”

      Gee, “Mayhem” are we in some kind of competition with Muslims for favorable ratings?

      And even with searchable archives, you can’t come up with a single example?

    • Froggy
      October 4, 2015, 5:34 pm

      ‘The description was an apparent reference to a quote posted by Ms Shaked on the social network site last July shortly after the bodies of three Israeli teenagers abducted by Palestinian militants were discovered murdered in the West Bank.

      The quote – lifted from an article written in 2002 by a Jewish settler – read: ” Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism.

      “They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”

      The post appeared a day before Jewish vigilantes abducted Mohammed Abu Khdeir, a 16-year-old Palestinian, from outside his East Jerusalem home before beating and burning him to death in revenge for the West Bank killings. Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey’s then prime minister and now president, cited the quote in comparing Ms Shaked to Adolf Hitler.

      Ms Shaked, a mother-of-two, protested that the quote had been mistranslated into English from Hebrew and insisted she was not calling for indiscriminate killing.

      It was not her first controversial comment about Palestinians. Asked during a 2012 Israeli television interview if she hoped her husband – an Israeli airforce pilot – “would be pounding the Arabs hard with bombs” when he flew, she laughed and then replied: “Yes.’

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11599932/New-Israeli-justice-minister-notorious-for-anti-Palestinian-rhetoric-given-bodyguard-after-Nazi-death-threats.html

      She said what she meant.

      • Mayhem
        October 4, 2015, 9:54 pm

        The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” and that is what Jews and Christians (dhimmis) are meant to do under the yoke of Islam. This seems to be wish of those here who are remarking about the way that Ayelet Shaked speaks. She is an Israeli Jew who is forthright and direct enough to call a spade and spade and ensure that her constituents are not forced to submit(succumb) as those here seem to desire. The author has referred to her as blunt, which is a blunt way of saying that she is brave enough to stand up and affirm what she believes Israel has to fight against.

      • Froggy
        October 5, 2015, 1:18 am

        How do you say ‘Sieg Heil’ in Hebrew?

        I appreciate you confirming that it is Israel’s goal to murder as many innocent non-combatants as they can, including infants and children.

        As for your misinterpretation of the ancient writings of Islam, like Muslims, we Catholics are also supposed to submit to God’s will.

        Furthermore, I can point you to far worse statements made recently, within the past decade, by some of your racist rabbis.

        Rabbi Ovadia Yosef :

        ‘The purpose of Gentiles — to serve Jews:

        “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.”

        “In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.

        “This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”

        “Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat… That is why gentiles were created.”’

        — Weekly Saturday night sermon in October 2010

        http://www.timesofisrael.com/5-of-ovadia-yosefs-most-controversial-quotations/

        And this, about the King’s Torah, the writings of Rabbis Yitzhak Shapira and Yosef Elitzur :

        ‘The marble-patterned, hardcover book embossed with gold Hebrew letters looks like any other religious commentary you’d find in an Orthodox Judaica bookstore – but reads like a rabbinic instruction manual outlining acceptable scenarios for killing non-Jewish babies, children and adults.

        The prohibition ‘Thou Shalt Not Murder’ applies only “to a Jew who kills a Jew,” write Rabbis Yitzhak Shapira and Yosef Elitzur of the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar. Non-Jews are “uncompassionate by nature” and attacks on them “curb their evil inclination,” while babies and children of Israel’s enemies may be killed since “it is clear that they will grow to harm us.”

        “The King’s Torah (Torat Hamelech), Part One: Laws of Life and Death between Israel and the Nations,” a 230-page compendium of Halacha, or Jewish religious law, published by the Od Yosef Chai yeshiva in Yitzhar, garnered a front-page exposé in the Israeli tabloid Ma’ariv, which called it the stuff of “Jewish terror.”

        ———-

        It is not uncommon for some settler rabbis, in the unique conditions of West Bank settlement life, to issue religious decrees, or psakim, that diverge from normative Jewish practice. In 2008, Avi Gisser, considered a moderate rabbi from the settlement of Ofra, ruled that Jews may violate Sabbath laws and hire non-Jews to build hilltop settlements. And In 2002, Yediot Aharanot reported that former Israeli Chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu sanctioned Jewish harvesting of Palestinian-owned olive trees.’

        http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/2.209/the-king-s-torah-a-rabbinic-text-or-a-call-to-terror-1.261930

        Rabbi Dov Lior, just last year posted this Halakhic ruling which says in part:

        ‘The Torah of Israel guides us in all walks of life, private and public, on how to behave during war and also how to keep moral standards.

        The Maharal from Prague (Rabbi Judah Loew – A.K.), in his book Gur Arye, clearly writes that… in all wars the attacked people are allowed to attack fiercely the people from whom the attackers came from and they do not have to check if he personally belongs to the fighters.

        Therefore, during war the attacked people are allowed to punish the enemy population in any punishment it finds worthy, such as denying supplies or electricity and also to bomb the whole area according to the discretion of the army minister and not to just simply endanger soldier’s lives but to take crushing deterrence steps to exterminate the enemy.

        In the case of Gaza, the Minister of Defense will be allowed to instruct even the destruction of Gaza so that the south will no longer suffer and to avoid harm to our people who have been suffering for so long from the surrounding enemies.”

        Any kind of talk about humanism and consideration are moot when speaking of saving our brothers in the south and in the rest of the country and bringing back quiet to our country.”’

        http://972mag.com/nstt_feeditem/israeli-rabbi-its-okay-to-kill-innocent-civilians-and-destroy-gaza/

        What kind of Jews disobey the Ten Commandments? Is Judaism even a religion? Or is it a construction to justify the racial superiority of one group of people?

        It would appear that the Torah is the zionist Mein Kampf. What you don’t get is that these arguments justify the holocaust since the Nazis considered themselves to be ‘at war’ with the Jews.

      • Froggy
        October 5, 2015, 1:22 am

        You really don’t see how degenerate you are, do you?

      • zaid
        October 5, 2015, 2:04 am

        Mayhem

        Islam means submission to god ( Allah), and the word Muslim means those who submits to Allah.

        so the surrender and submission here is for muslims themselfs and not for those who do not follow islam.

        Jews and christinas have nothing to do with the word islam / muslims.

        Ayalet shaked is a lunatic from this kind:

      • eljay
        October 5, 2015, 7:44 am

        || Mayhem: The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” and that is what Jews and Christians (dhimmis) are meant to do under the yoke of Islam. This seems to be wish of those here who are remarking about the way that Ayelet Shaked speaks. She is an Israeli Jew who is forthright and direct enough to call a spade and spade … ||

        …except for when it comes to addressing:
        – what non-Jews are meant to do under the yoke of Zio-supremacism;
        – the supremacist nature of her “Jewish State”;
        – her state’s past and on-going (war) crimes;
        – its refusal to honour its obligations under international law;
        – its refusal to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

        She calls a spade a spade except when it suits her to call it a heart or a diamond.

    • zaid
      October 5, 2015, 2:02 am
      • a4tech
        October 5, 2015, 2:49 am

        Also, theoretically we believe that everything living and dead are at their core Muslim, i.e. submit to the rules of Allah (which includes gravity and natural selection too!). Only when certain humans resist and try to go against the rules knowingly they are considered non-muslim or kufr. That’s why when people embrace the religion, they are considered as reverts, not converts as they are returning to their natural order. Using the same reasoning even a ice-age cavemen deep in the Siberian wilderness is a Muslim as long as he lives according to God’s rule or does not knowingly reject a prophet sent to him.

        Another misunderstanding about Islam is that a Muslim is a follower of prophet Muhammad pbuh. This is certainly true however it excludes the thousands of other prophets sent before him starting from the first man, Adam pbuh. We also follow Jesus pbuh, Moses pbuh, Abraham pbuh and many others who were sent to do the same thing as prophet Muhammad pbuh.

  11. just
    October 3, 2015, 8:10 pm

    Here’s a horde of Shakeds:

    “Far-right Activists Chant ‘Death to Arabs,’ Assault Passersby in Jerusalem After Terror Attack”

    video here: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.678722?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    They’re all over Palestine.

    “‘Significant Progress’ Made in Probe Into West Bank Shooting That Killed Israeli Couple

    Dozens of Palestinians wounded in clashes with Israeli security forces in West Bank amid Shin Bet arrest raids.”

    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.678697

    Funny that they couldn’t make ANY progress in their “probe” of the terrorists who torched the Dawabshe family and their home.

  12. light2014
    October 3, 2015, 9:43 pm

    The Kurds understandably expelled most Arabs from Kurdish villages after their neighbors of many decades put aside neighborliness and sided with DAESH/ISIS. In affect the Kurds told
    their Arab neighbors we thought we could live together but your actions taught us otherwise.
    We the Kurds are a majority in our villages but in all of Iraq and Syria we are a minority. Leave us and go join the Arab majority that populate most of these lands. You Arabs have 21 countries and now you would deny us even one place to call our own. Jews may be a majority
    in Israel but in the MiddleEast area they are an even smaller minority than the Kurds . It is Israel that needs and should be shown hospitality by the majority Arabs . Which is what Emir Faisel urged the Arabs to demonstrate. But the Arabs
    were poisoned by the Mufti of Jerusalem who said show this minority the back of your hand

    • echinococcus
      October 3, 2015, 10:31 pm

      Before trying to pass for a Kurd in front of people who know them well, Zionist Light (and Sweetness, I imagine), note that the Kurds have been on their own land continuously for thousands of years. Then, “the Arabs” don’t “have” 22 countries. Arabic-speaking populations are spread over a large area, but the Palestinians’ home is Palestine and, strange as that may sound, they (including the descendants of 5% of them who were Jewish) have a right to it, while you Zionist invaders have no right at all there. None, zilch, nada, except if a representative assembly of Palestinians decide in the future, in the absence of intimidation and occupation, to accept the citizenship of some of the illegal immigrants brought by the Zionist invaders.
      By the way, refugees from persecution were shown a lot of warm, loving hospitality there, what with the thousands of Greeks, Armenians, Zoroastrians, what will you, before the Zionist unmasked themselves: instead of behaving like refugees and conforming to the rules of the host, they took over the country.
      If you know what’s good for you try to go back to your parents’ country asap.

      • catalan
        October 3, 2015, 11:33 pm

        “: instead of behaving like refugees and conforming to the rules of the host, they took over the country. -” echino
        Couldn’t agree more! As an immigrant myself I am a humble pupil of my more civilized host. Wouldn’t dream of changing the rules.

      • Mooser
        October 4, 2015, 11:31 am

        “Couldn’t agree more! As an immigrant myself…”

        Look, “catalan” I accept the fact that you aren’t smart enough to distinguish an immigrant from a refugee from a colonist.
        But don’t expect the rest of us to be that dumb.

      • catalan
        October 4, 2015, 11:55 am

        Look, “catalan” I accept the fact that you aren’t smart enough to distinguish an immigrant from a refugee from a colonist. – Mooser
        I was referring to the idea that newcomers should not change “the host” to which your fellow traveller echinococcus alluded. These references to hosts and parasites have something of a nationalist ring to them so therefore my sarcasm.
        But please, teach me about refugees vs immigrants. I think it is safe to say one thing – you will never have to be either. You so wish to be Anglo though that you can’t even enjoy the privileges you were born with. There are a few like that everywhere it seems.

      • Mooser
        October 4, 2015, 1:16 pm

        ” You so wish to be Anglo though that you can’t even enjoy the privileges you were born with.”

        Okay, “catalan” that’s enough of that. You can stop hinting. I’ve already told everybody about “Anne Glow”. Frankly, I think a little gender-bending would be good for you, too.

      • echinococcus
        October 4, 2015, 3:10 pm

        “Catalan”
        Always a good idea to avoid words and set expressions you don’t know, like “fellow traveler”, and to refrain from the Goebbelsian habit of sneakily putting words in the mouth of others while pretending to quote, like “parasite”, in this case switching register to a domain you have no idea about like biology –thereby spreading the egg on your face with your own hands, too.
        You won’t even understand what I’m saying, so start digging if you want to.

      • catalan
        October 4, 2015, 3:46 pm

        “Goebbelsian habit of sneakily putting words in the mouth of others while pretending to quote, -” echino
        I am glad that you are an expert in biology and many other things. By fellow traveler I mean people who share the same ideas. Is there some other deeper meaning? Well I bet you will forgive a newcomer to the host.
        Anyway, what’s the use of all that knowledge if it only serves to embitter?

    • zaid
      October 4, 2015, 1:46 am

      My kurdish brother

      Kurds have the right to have their own state if they wish , but only in areas that have huge majority Kurds .

      If you are happy that the Peshmerka (Kurdish forces) expelled some poor unarmed Arab villagers from their homes, just wait after the Arabs finish Asad….i promise you , they will regret it.

      Arabs doesnot forget an evil things done to them and they are a very tenacious people.

      • echinococcus
        October 4, 2015, 2:04 am

        Zaid,
        He’s Kurdish like I am Martian. It’s just a new format of “Arabs got 220 countries and all we want is tiny Palestine, please don’t ask for the deed!”, probably out of Brooklyn, NY.

      • MHughes976
        October 4, 2015, 5:30 am

        If social contracts are to exist on anything like reasonable terms there can’t be a right for the majority to decide to expel or disfranchise (though they may subject to proper criminal punishment) anyone who has normal right of residence, by birth or by legal immigration: that is obvious breaking the contract with that individual. If the expulsion is based on race or religion that makes the society concerned racist or intolerant to the point of dishonouring the social contract whereby it exists. The whole social contract is threatened if its bonds exist in full strength only for the racial or religious majority. which should make majorities careful in their self-assertion. This should not be violent or menacing or even too dramatic.
        It follows that the residents of sub-areas are have no right to secede so as to make their race or religion dominant.
        My right to live in England rests entirely on a relationship, ie the social contract, between me and the others living in the same place. It cannot be affected by the fact that many countries in the world have English-speaking populations. It would surely be absurd to say that because English is so widely spoken I have less right to be here than a Swede to be in Sweden, considering that Swedish-speaking countries are few. And common sense tells us that my being ethnically cleansed would be scarcely less painful if I was moving to New Zealand than if I was moving to Sweden. If ‘the Arabs have 37 countries or 43 there would be no impact on the Palestine question.

      • RoHa
        October 4, 2015, 6:43 am

        “It follows that the residents of sub-areas are have no right to secede so as to make their race or religion dominant. ”

        Of course, this conclusion applies not only to Kurds, but to all and any nationalist movement whose sole motive for secession is nationalist. This harks back to the vexed issue of self-determination. (On which you and I seem, rather disturbingly, to be in agreement.)

        One way to escape the conclusion would be to deny the very concept of social contract, but in practice nationalist groups usually take the line that they in some way oppressed, and thus that the contract has already been broken.

      • zaid
        October 4, 2015, 2:13 pm

        echinococcus

        Probably.

  13. Citizen
    October 3, 2015, 10:00 pm

    A blurb summary of Ayelet Shaked’s core POV has a historic ring to it: “The Palestinians are our misfortune.”
    Of course Zionist don’t do irony.

  14. Marnie
    October 4, 2015, 12:51 am

    “As it turns out, drawing on Jewish tradition to challenge Ayelet Shaked is a losing battle as well. Whenever Stone tried to broach the subject of “Jewish values,” it became evident that Shaked had no interest in such values, at least in the traditional religious sense of the term. Liberty, nonviolence, justice – to her and the Jewish Home party, all can be readily sacrificed to the overarching mission of ethnic and religious homogeneity.”

    What the f*&k is she then? What is a Jew? What does it mean? She is completely indifferent to the suffering of others, she is on a campaign to annihilate “the other” and is one of the most hateful, cold-blooded mammal on earth and horror of horrors, she has children. What the hell? It’s very revealing that she was shaked up when the elder gentleman stood up and made his statement. She’s apparently only ready to argue questions, but doesn’t have a clue as to how to deal with humanity. She never should have made it through passport control in New York. She is a disgusting piece of filth that has all the warmth and charm of Josef Goebbels. Nice going, “light among the nations”!!

    • Mooser
      October 4, 2015, 12:04 pm

      What the f*&k is she then? What is a Jew? What does it mean?”

      Judaism, like any religion, can be, and is whatever a person, or group of people, want it to be.

      • CigarGod
        October 4, 2015, 12:29 pm

        Yep.
        What is a Jew?
        What is Art?

    • echinococcus
      October 4, 2015, 3:18 pm

      “… all can be readily sacrificed to the overarching mission of ethnic and religious homogeneity.”

      What the f*&k is she then?

      Answered in the first phrase. A Nazi.

  15. Ellen
    October 4, 2015, 2:03 am

    Shaket should be invited to speak everywhere. At all campuses, Synagogues, community centers, even the US Congress! Let it all hang out. Give the lady a microphone!

    This is the reality of Israel now. We’ll see where it goes and how much the US embraces the rhetoric of genocide. We will see……

    • echinococcus
      October 4, 2015, 3:19 pm

      If you do that she’ll be our next President, hands down!.

    • Marnie
      October 5, 2015, 1:50 am

      @Ellen –
      I understand what you’re saying but I think the more airtime any of these zionist thugs get, the more normal they’ll begin to sound to the rest of the world – it worked in the zionist state after all. Remember the aktion in Gaza had a 95% approval rating, with some expressing it wasn’t enough! The problem with these mammals is they’re given carte blanche – no one challenges them. They spew their hate and lies and don’t break a sweat. The only way any of this monsters should be given air time is if they share the venue with Max Blumenthal, Ilan Pappe or David Sheen. Not sure about Norman Finkelstein. They must be challenged and fought wherever they go, otherwise they’ll continue to spread their murderous, racist ideals. They’ll find plenty of people in the US and Europe who are scared to death of any “other”, so won’t lack for sheep to gather into their hateful flock. It should be a priority to hunt these zionists wherever they are free to travel (unlike their Palestinian counterparts) and fight their lies with the truth. Otherwise:

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Josef Goebbels

      • Marnie
        October 5, 2015, 2:06 am

        Just an afterthought – the second picture of Shaked reminded me of the movie Svengali. She locks eyes with her victim, her hand undulating as she puts her Trilby into a hypnotic trance.

        blob:https%3A//www.youtube.com/d1c18536-c610-4e11-b560-6882823dc9a4

  16. Ossinev
    October 4, 2015, 7:20 am

    Ellen
    100% agree. Game shows/survival shows – the lot. With poor old beleaguered Ben Nitay having to cuddle up to the extreme right in order to stay in power he has had to allocate ministerial positions to various right wing nutjobs and surrender control over the demented spoutings of the likes of Shaked. The more air time Skaked and her fellow travellers are given the more obvious it will be to the civilised west and civilised western people that this Middle East oddity, Israel, has become a dangerous freakshow.

  17. CigarGod
    October 4, 2015, 10:30 am

    Why is that criminal mind even allowed in our country?

    • Ellen
      October 4, 2015, 10:26 pm

      She will haunt the Zionist project for decades to come. They just do not see it yet.

  18. TdBerg
    October 5, 2015, 11:32 am

    Im sorry- BUT are you kidding me with this statement?? “Shaked claimed that Israel – unlike the U.S. – was simply not a country of immigrants” The country is entirely composed of immigrants! Who is she trying to convince with that stupidity? Unreal….

    • RoHa
      October 5, 2015, 7:04 pm

      The US is not a country of immigrants. The majority (around 90%, I have been told) of the population was born in the country. I think that nowadays the majority (though I do not know a percentage) of Israelis were born in Israel. If I am right about that, Israel is not a nation of immigrants either. In Australia, around 80% of the population is native-born, so not even Australia can be properly called a nation of immigrants.

      • Froggy
        October 6, 2015, 10:39 am

        RoHa : Native born Americans don’t think of their ethnic identity as being ‘American’. Instead they pick some distant ancestor’s country of origin and identify as that.

        For example, people who have an Irish family name inherited from an ancestor that that immigrated to the US during the Famine still refer to themselves as ‘Irish’. The general usage is that strange hyphenation common in the US, ‘Irish-American’, ‘Polish-American’, ‘Greek-American’, and so-on. These are people who were born in the US, as (often) were their parents and grandparents, yet they think of themselves as a nation of immigrants.

      • RoHa
        October 6, 2015, 7:11 pm

        As far as I recall, I have never denied that Americans are damned silly. (Nor have I asserted that they are the only people who are.)

        So what Americans think ain’t necessarily so.

      • Mooser
        October 6, 2015, 8:36 pm

        “So what Americans think ain’t necessarily so.”

        Like those things that you’re liable to read in the bible?

      • RoHa
        October 7, 2015, 6:56 pm

        Sorry, Mooser. I’ve spent hours trying to come up with a witty response, but with no success. I’ve got nothing. That’ll have to be plenty for me.

      • Sibiriak
        October 8, 2015, 12:16 am

        RoHa: The US is not a country of immigrants.

        ————–

        The expression “nation of immigrants” is often used to describe a country whose population was built up by waves of immigration over a relatively short period of time. Thus, the US is a “nation of immigrants”; so is Israel. Japan is not.

        The media often use the expression during discussions of demographics and immigration policy. For example:

        America Is a Nation of Immigrants, But Not the Way It Used to Be
        http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/10/10/america-is-a-nation-of-immigrants-but-not-the-way-it-used-to-be/

        JFK wrote a small book entitled: “A Nation of Immigrants”.

        http://www.amazon.com/Nation-Immigrants-John-F-Kennedy/dp/0061447544

      • RoHa
        October 8, 2015, 6:35 am

        “The media often use the expression”

        We expect total drivel from the media.

  19. YoniFalic
    October 5, 2015, 2:03 pm

    Shaked makes me think of Julius Streicher.

  20. Sulphurdunn
    October 5, 2015, 4:38 pm

    Would an alien race, able to travel through the cosmos, consider us a sentient life form? I doubt it. I’m human and I don’t.

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