West’s war against terrorism is Israel’s war, Chuck Schumer says

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The Paris attacks have sparked the resurgence of a pro-Israel talking point that was an important part of the discourse after 9/11: the west’s war with terrorism is just an extension of Israel’s war. It appears that these ideologues would gladly trade a world war for the sake of Israeli security.

Senator Chuck Schumer made the equation in the crudest fashion last night in an address to a Jewish education foundation in New York in which he asserted that the west had abandoned Israel during its fight against terrorism, and so the terrorism had metastasized to the west. Jacob Kornbluh reported for Jewish Insider, quoting Schumer:

“Israel and the Jewish people have been subject to the same type of terrorism since the 70s. And for so long, when it just happened to Israel, the world condoned it. They [may have not] condoned it, but maybe didn’t do much about it, and Israel had to fight terrorism on her own. And, because the world did not rise up, this terrorism, like a cancer, has spread throughout the world.”

“Had the world come down when the terrorists shot the Israeli athletes at the Olympics (in Munich 1972), or hijacked El AL planes, and come down on them hard, we wouldn’t have had what happened in Paris, today.”

It’s hard to believe that someone so smart could be so thoughtless, but Schumer is up for reelection and this must be seen as pandering. Though he is a devoted Zionist who often says that his name means Guardian in Hebrew and he is the guardian of Israel. And it is impossible for such fervent advocates to see any political basis in the terrorism, let alone perceive any real source of resentment in Israel’s actions.

Israeli PM Netanyahu made similar comments in Israel today, per Allison Deger:

“The time has come for the world to wake up and unite in order to defeat terrorism. The time has come for countries to condemn terrorism against us to the same degree that they condemn terrorism everywhere else in the world,” Netanyahu said at the start of a weekly cabinet meeting on Sunday.
Schumer’s declaration makes him a full-on neoconservative; and the neoconservatives gathered by William Kristol and Robert Kagan and Norman Podhoretz as the Project for a New American Century tried to conflate Israel’s interests and American ones repeatedly after 9/11. The terrorists hate Israel because of Israeli freedom: “an island of liberal, democratic principles — American principles — in a sea of tyranny, intolerance, and hatred.” Podhoretz said it was World War 3, or 4 (it’s hard to keep count with these guys).
In this letter to George W. Bush immediately after the 2001 attacks, PNAC said that Israel’s war against Hezbollah and Palestinian terrorism was part of our war with Al Qaeda, and Iraq too.

Then in this April 2002 letter, it said that Israel’s war against terrorism — including Palestinian suicide attacks during the Second Intifada — was our war. Yasser Arafat was the same as Osama bin Laden; and why were we waiting on taking that war to Iraq:

In particular, we want to commend you for your strong stance in support of the Israeli government as it engages in the present campaign to fight terrorism. As a liberal democracy under repeated attack by murderers who target civilians, Israel now needs and deserves steadfast support. This support, moreover, is essential to Israel’s continued survival as a free and democratic nation, for only the United States has the power and influence to provide meaningful assistance to our besieged ally. And with the memory of the terrorist attack of September 11 still seared in our minds and hearts, we Americans ought to be especially eager to show our solidarity in word and deed with a fellow victim of terrorist violence.

No one should doubt that the United States and Israel share a common enemy. We are both targets of what you have correctly called an “Axis of Evil.” Israel is targeted in part because it is our friend, and in part because it is an island of liberal, democratic principles — American principles — in a sea of tyranny, intolerance, and hatred. As Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld has pointed out, Iran, Iraq, and Syria are all engaged in “inspiring and financing a culture of political murder and suicide bombing” against Israel, just as they have aided campaigns of terrorism against the United States over the past two decades. You have declared war on international terrorism, Mr. President. Israel is fighting the same war.

This central truth has important implications for any Middle East peace process. For one spoke of the terrorist network consists of Yasser Arafat and the leadership of the Palestinian Authority….

Mr. President, it can no longer be the policy of the United States to urge, much less to pressure, Israel to continue negotiating with Arafat, any more than we would be willing to be pressured to negotiate with Osama Bin Laden or Mullah Omar. Nor should the United States provide financial support to a Palestinian Authority that acts as a cog in the machine of Middle East terrorism, any more than we would approve of others providing assistance to Al Qaeda.

Instead, the United States should lend its full support to Israel as it seeks to root out the terrorist network that daily threatens the lives of Israeli citizens. Like our own efforts in Afghanistan and elsewhere, Israel’s task will not be easy. It will not be accomplished quickly or painlessly. But with fortitude, on our part as well on the part of the Israeli people, it can succeed in significantly reducing the risk of future terrorist attacks against Israel and against us. And, in so doing, we will give the Palestinian people a chance they have so far not had under Arafat’s rule — an opportunity to construct a political culture and government that do not marry their national and religious aspirations with suicide bombers.

Furthermore, Mr. President, we urge you to accelerate plans for removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq.

Schumer and Netanyahu’s statements challenge American liberals to fully examine the neoconservative program, and its origins in the conviction that American power must be deployed to safeguard Israel’s security. Again: these guys are such committed Zionists I believe they actually would take a world war if they thought it would help Israel.

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  1. John O
    November 16, 2015, 2:05 pm

    “Israel and the Jewish people have been subject to the same type of terrorism since the 70s.”

    Just like the British (IRA and equivalent Loyalist terrorists), Spanish (ETA), Germans (Red Army Faction), Italians (Brigati Rossi).

    • Krauss
      November 16, 2015, 5:16 pm

      Exactly.

      But of course these statements expose the total ethnocentrism of these bigots. For them, only Jewish lives matter and nobody else’s.

      • Marnie
        November 17, 2015, 11:42 am

        And again I ask, why is that? ALL LIFE IS PRECIOUS.

  2. a blah chick
    November 16, 2015, 2:25 pm

    Schumer et. al. need for Israel to stay “white,” therefore they need to keep it in the hands of the “white” people. This is going to become more and more difficult because a slim majority of the people living under Israeli rule are not Jewish.

    Imagine all that military might and nukes in the hands of Palestinians. It’s enough to give a self-respecting neo-con nightmares.

    • Krauss
      November 16, 2015, 5:14 pm

      That’s an ignorant comment. Most Jews in Israel are not Ashkenazi. Your quotation marks around white is more reflecting of your own views on whiteness than any informed view of Jews in Israel.

      Actually, one of my running themes is that aside from looking at the conflict in Jewish/non-Jewish terms, a smarter way would be to look at it from a Ashkenazi/non-Ashkenazi view. If you take all of Greater Israel/Palestine into account, the Ashkenazi Jews account for about 10-15% of the total population. Ruling over a vast sea of Arabs, some of whom are muslim, some of whom are Christian and some of whom are Jews.

      • Marnie
        November 17, 2015, 11:54 am

        “Most Jews in Israel are not Ashkenazi”, but all Ashkenazi Jews are white. How would you classify the +million Russian Jews? They’re not Sephardim or Mizrahkim. Ashkenazi Jews run every fuckin’ thing in the zionist state, and have made life pretty wretched for the Mizrahki/Sephardic Jews so that they hate their own skin, not to mention their Arab brothers and sisters, with whom they share the same language and culture.

      • a4tech
        November 17, 2015, 1:40 pm

        What do you mean by all Ashkenazis are white Marnie? I am keen for your clarification, please and thank you.

      • Marnie
        November 18, 2015, 1:03 am

        They appear Caucasian, what else? They’re background is European, not African, Asian or Middle Eastern. I’d been told, and I don’t take it as gospel, that the reason the GoI was so keen on bringing Russian immigrants in was to keep the look of the GoI European, blonde, blue-eyed.

      • a4tech
        November 18, 2015, 5:56 am

        Well obviously because they were in Europe for quite a while, so it is perfectly natural to undergo significant genetic transfusion with the exponentially larger host population. But I am sure even the most blue eyed blondiest Ashkenazi wont call him or herself white, just as no blonde blue eyed Palestinian would do the same.

      • James Canning
        November 18, 2015, 12:55 pm

        Quite a few Palestinians do not regard themselves as “Arabs”. What would you call them?

      • zaid
        November 18, 2015, 10:12 am

        a4tech

        Palestinians comes in all colours but Ashkenazi Jews ALL looks European (not just eye colour).

        If they were true Semites who mixed with others, then they should be diverse looking like Spanish people or Levant Arabs.

      • YoniFalic
        November 18, 2015, 10:24 am

        At this point I am fairly certain a4tech is a Zionist troll.

        Karen Brodkin’s How Jews Became White Folks and What That Says About Race in America appears to have made quite a splash when it appeared.

        https://books.google.com/books/about/How_Jews_Became_White_Folks_and_what_tha.html?id=itdBdt8OvMwC

        Here’s a review.

        https://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=4113

        BTW, one of my professors at Columbia mentioned that Jabotinsky now and then argued that European Jews were Aryans while Nordau certainly counted European Jews among the white Europeans that get the right to commit genocide on non-white non-Europeans.

        http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.676420

      • a4tech
        November 18, 2015, 10:42 am

        So what Zaid.If they looked more Middle Eastern would that change anything? Would the Israeli state actions be a slightly more reasonable then?

      • YoniFalic
        November 18, 2015, 11:38 am

        BTW, it’s not something one learns in Israel or apparently in Jewish day schools in the USA, but Jews in Poland were from the 16th century until the collapse of Poland legally part of the 2nd Estate along with the Polish Catholic and Polish Muslim nobility.

        It is interesting that Polish Catholic nobles used to claim descent from Sarmatian conquerors. The ideology is called Sarmatism.

        It is also interesting that both Polish Catholic and Polish Jewish myths of origin propose that the early mythical Polish kings were Jewish, and recently I saw the following article in Haaretz.

        http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/archaeology/1.682980

      • YoniFalic
        November 18, 2015, 11:52 am

        @a4tech

        So what Zaid.If they looked more Middle Eastern would that change anything? Would the Israeli state actions be a slightly more reasonable then?

        No, but it is important to delegitimize Zionism and the State of Israel by pointing out the obvious facts and by assigning Zionism correctly and obviously to the category of 19th century style white racist genocidal European colonialism that decent human beings today consider to be completely wrong and unjust.

        In addition, it is completely wrong for Irina Bukova to appear as head of UNESCO at an exhibit with the following theme.

        We would love to invite you to the Capitol Hill premier of Simon Wiesenthal Center’s Historic Exhibition, People Land Book: The 3,500 Year Relationship of the Jewish People with the Holy Land on Wednesday, November 18th from 5:00PM to 7:00PM in the Rayburn House Office Building. The exhibit showcases the Jewish connection to the land of Israel, and is highly visual.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/israel-the-house

        Unless we point out that Zionism is white racist genocidal European colonialism, Bukova succeeds in giving the UNESCO seal of approval to white racist genocidal European colonialism.

        So a4tech do you understand the issue? Or are you simply a racist Zionist troll?

      • gamal
        November 18, 2015, 1:11 pm

        ‘Quite a few Palestinians do not regard themselves as “Arabs”. What would you call them?’

        Arab does not mean Arabian, you could mean Arabic speaking Armenians in Palestine and Lebanon?

        You could mean Walid Phares, there is an excellent rule of thumb, Arabs who spell Faris/Fares as Phares are Phascist Phalangists Phoenicians, you may be right ( i doubt it) but we are not compelled to take them at their word.

        these one liners are getting tedious you need to develop that argument, to fully reveal its vacuity. You don’t know what Arab means.

      • James Canning
        November 18, 2015, 5:50 pm

        If you want to say, in context of Israel/Palestine, that an “Arab” is someone who is not Jewish, fine. But the Jews themselves, in Palestine, were “Arabs”. (19th century)

    • Lillian Rosengarten
      November 17, 2015, 11:31 am

      Your comment is ignorant .
      Yes it is time for the US to examine and understand the neo conservative military industrial model, the greatest deterrent to peace in the middle east. The US continued mindless support of Israel’s brutal agenda is self serving and feeds US neocon mentality based on domination , power, war and economic greed. Coverage of the Paris terrorist attack on US TV is a distorted reality show in which violence rules for ratings and leaders once again meet violence with violence in a never ending cycle of destruction and despair. Schumer is a disgrace and I pray he is kicked out of the senate.

    • Marnie
      November 18, 2015, 8:49 am

      @4tech

      Whatever. A person that appears caucasian doesn’t have to call themself white; they will automatically be treated differently than their brown-skinned contemporaries because that’s what racism has done to the world.

      • James Canning
        November 18, 2015, 12:54 pm

        Isn’t there a large element of fashion that obtains?

    • YoniFalic
      November 18, 2015, 1:10 pm

      @James Canning

      Back when I lived in Israel and considered myself an Israeli “Jew”, I never met a Palestinian, who whether Israeli or non-Israeli considered himself non-Arab. Of course, back then I was racist and did not chit-chat with Palestinians. I have gotten to know many more Palestinians in the USA and have not met one here that regarded himself as non-Arab.

  3. Blownaway
    November 16, 2015, 2:38 pm

    Hey Chuck we need another pail of AIPAC water here! Cmon get on it faster were not paying you all that money for nothing!

    • Kay24
      November 16, 2015, 4:52 pm

      Careful, that AIPAC water might be stolen from the poor Palestinians.

      Schumer is just shoveling AIPAC droppings to earn his keep.

      It stinks.

  4. Emory Riddle
    November 16, 2015, 2:47 pm

    “It’s hard to believe that someone so smart could be so thoughtless”

    When did Schumer become seen as someone of great intelligence?

    He has always struck me as a bit of a dummy — along the lines of a Peter King.

    And very much a true believer as opposed to a cynical politician. He has been fortunate from a career standpoint in that his true believer status is rewarded in the current political atmosphere.

    It is not hard to see the day when such slavish loyalty to Israel will be the impediment to advancement that is should be.

    • Philip Weiss
      November 16, 2015, 3:41 pm

      Norman Finkelstein was in the class after his at Sheepshead Bay H.S. I think, or one over from that h.s. in Brooklyn, and he says Chuck was brilliant and into science then. But not enough attention in that field
      Phil

  5. Bandolero
    November 16, 2015, 3:02 pm

    Time to remember this:

    Did Money Seal Israeli-Saudi Alliance?

    … To the surprise of some observers, Israel began voicing a preference for Al-Qaeda’s militants over the relatively secular Assad government, which was viewed as the protectors of Alawites, Shiites, Christians and other Syrian minorities terrified of the Saudi-backed Sunni extremists.

    In September 2013, in one of the most explicit expressions of Israel’s views, Israeli Ambassador to the United States Michael Oren, then a close adviser to Netanyahu, told the Jerusalem Post that Israel favored the Sunni extremists over Assad.

    “The greatest danger to Israel is by the strategic arc that extends from Tehran, to Damascus to Beirut. And we saw the Assad regime as the keystone in that arc,” Oren told the Jerusalem Post in an interview. “We always wanted Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren’t backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran.” He said this was the case even if the “bad guys” were affiliated with Al-Qaeda. …

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/04/15/did-money-seal-israeli-saudi-alliance/

    • Atlantaiconoclast
      November 16, 2015, 6:43 pm

      If most Americans knew that Israel favored radical Islamic extremists in Syria over a secular, Western educated leader, Israel would have no hope of maintaining its regime. I wish progressives who get it on Israel, would make this a major focus. To get change, we must wake up middle America. Wake them up with the facts about what Israel has done to the US, and Israel’s agenda of intentional ME destabilization. Middle Americans do not care about what Israel has done to the Palestinians, or they just don’t feel comfortable exploring the controversial issue. We have to make it about self interest to get their attention and get them to oppose Israel.

      • Bandolero
        November 16, 2015, 11:09 pm

        Atlantaiconoclast

        Yes, of course. How’ld the average Amercian feel about Israel when he knew the information above indicating that Israel is not an enemy but an ally of Al Qaeda? And, furthermore, how would they feel if this information would be set in relation to the following? Quote:

        Report: Netanyahu Says 9/11 Terror Attacks Good for Israel

        According to Ma’ariv, Netanyahu said Israel is ‘benefiting from attack’ as it ‘swung American public opinion.’

        … “We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq,” Ma’ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events “swung American public opinion in our favor.”

        http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-netanyahu-says-9-11-terror-attacks-good-for-israel-1.244044

        It’s just too monsterous for the average American pal or guy to even contemplate it. I could go on and on.

        The facts are all out in the open, but the problem is that they don’t reach the people. Regarding the war on Iraq the fact that it was based on lies is even widely known, but it still doesn’t have a big effect, because those responsible managed to spin it for good. Ever since the 19th century, then Operation Mockingbird, or Stratcom like it’s called now, crucial information is out in the open, but it doesn’t reach the people or it has no or little effect because the people fall victim of the spin doctors.

        https://consortiumnews.com/2015/09/28/the-power-of-false-narrative/

        That’s a – or the – main barrier to break for real change.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 17, 2015, 11:19 am

        If most Americans knew that Israel favored radical Islamic extremists in Syria over a secular, Western educated leader, Israel would have no hope of maintaining its regime.

        a few prominent neocons expressed the preference of AQ over assad a couple years ago and it was publicized in the msm. i have not been able to locate it since. but it was a few of the regulars.

    • James Canning
      November 17, 2015, 1:20 pm

      Bravo. Israel’s role in creating the disaster in Syria needs much more exposure. This exposure includes focusing attention on the part played by politicians like Chuck Schumer.

  6. jd65
    November 16, 2015, 3:11 pm

    Ladies and gentleman, introducing our next Secretary of State in the Hillary administration. Can’t wait…

  7. amigo
    November 16, 2015, 3:39 pm

    Well , schumer is right.It is Israel,s war and they keep fanning the flames and stoking the fire .

    Maybe schumer and co would do better if they put the brakes on the rogue nation by ordering them to cease their attacks on their neighbours. As a European, I resent seeing my neighbourhood used as a target when it is Israel that ferments most of the hatred/revenge attacks coming from the ISIS gang.

    This little tin pot nation represents the greatest danger to mankind and has since it,s inception.

    • JWalters
      November 16, 2015, 4:18 pm

      Absolutely right, it is Israel’s war. But they prefer to fight it with other people’s money and other people’s lives. Israel is a nation founded by corporate war profiteers and religious fanatics. Blowback attacks from Muslims were predicted by the U.S. Secretary of Defense when Israel was being established. Israel is not an ally of anyone. It is a treacherous enemy of Europe and America.

      • Atlantaiconoclast
        November 16, 2015, 6:47 pm

        Yes, and increasing awareness about the harm done to the US by Israel, rather than about Israel’s abuses against Palestinians, is what will turn the tide of American public opinion. Please progressives. Wake up. I have been following this issue since I was a child in the early 80s. Things have only gotten worse IMO. I suspect that most who do care about Palestine, avoid this strategy of making it about America’s interest for a couple of reasons. First, they think it is selfish. Well duh. But that is reality. Citizens care mostly about their nation’s fortune, and the Palestinian plight is too complicated in their minds for them to spend the energy required to care. Second, they are simply unwilling to be called an anti Semite, a “conspiracy theorist,” or a self hating Jew.

      • Marnie
        November 17, 2015, 11:58 am

        @JWalters – “Israel is not an ally of anyone. It is a treacherous enemy of Europe and America.”

        No truer words have been spoken.

      • eljay
        November 17, 2015, 12:52 pm

        || JWalters: … Israel is not an ally of anyone. … ||

        Nonsense. Israel is an ally of all Jews!

        Well, except for the ones it doesn’t approve of, has no use for and/or is willing to betray.

  8. PeaceThroughJustice
    November 16, 2015, 3:55 pm

    This Zionist discourse on terrorism actually goes back further than the neocons. Glenn Greenwald talked about it on Democracy Now! a while back —

    “There is some amazingly great scholarly research by Rémi Brulin, who was at the Sorbonne and then NYU, where he traces, essentially, the history of this term in political discourse. And what he has described, in a very scholarly way, is that the term “terrorism” really entered and became prevalent in the discourse of international affairs in the late ’60s and the early ’70s, when the Israelis sought to use the term to universalize their disputes with their neighbors, so they could say, “We’re not fighting the Palestinians and we’re not bombing Lebanon over just some land disputes. We’re fighting this concept that is of great-a grave menace to the world, called ‘terrorism.’ And it’s not only our fight, it’s your fight in the United States, and it’s your fight in Europe, and it’s your fight around the world. …”
    http://www.democracynow.org/2015/1/13/glenn_greenwald_on_how_to_be

    edit: And I see Brulin’s talked about it here at Mondoweiss, which may be where Greenwald heard of his work —
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/israels-terrorism-ideological

  9. yonah fredman
    November 16, 2015, 10:28 pm

    To suggest a world war shows the exaggeration so essential to Weiss’s anti israel rhetoric. The war against ISIS, which may begin after Obama leaves office, is a fight against a small group with a small territory and with a minor league army. It is Russia and US and France against ISIS and Weiss calls this a world war. It is not a world war. It is probably a necessary war that will involve the US holding its nose and accepting a Baathist head of state in Syria (after Assad steps down so the West does not totally lose face) and boots on the ground to wipe out ISIS. The problem is that aside from religious extremism there is a political cause of Sunnis in Iraq losing power that lies at the political basis of the existence of ISIS, but it will not require a world war to defeat ISIS, it will require some hardship but nothing compared to the two world wars that are accepted by historians and not practitioners of hyperbolic rhetoric.

    • Donald
      November 17, 2015, 7:31 am

      The rhetoric you are criticizing is that of Schumer and neocons in general-he takes Israel’s conflict with the Palestinians and tries to make it part of the worldwide problem with Islamic extremism. So you read this entire piece and the only thing which outraged you was Phil’s final line? Great sense of perspective there.

    • eljay
      November 17, 2015, 7:47 am

      || yonah fredman: To suggest a world war shows the exaggeration so essential to Weiss’s anti israel rhetoric. … ||

      It’s understandable that you’d blame Mr. Weiss – whom you clearly despise – for the exaggerations made by Mr. Schumer. I will say, though, that Phil would have been more correct to use the term “world-wide war”.

      The N.Y. Senator added, “The message other than fighting terrorism is to make sure that when it’s directed at one nation – like it has been directed in Israel for now decades – it’s directed at every nation. And the world must unite to defend Israel against the terrorism that is used against her day in and day out.”

      The world must also unite to defend Palestine and Palestinians from the Israeli terrorism that has been used against them day in and day out for almost 70 years. Acts of terrorism shouldn’t get a free pass just because Jews are the ones committing them.

      It figures that a Zio-supremacist like Mr. Schumer would gloss over Israeli terrorism, and that a Zio-supremacist like y.f. would have no issue with it.

      • Mooser
        November 17, 2015, 10:32 am

        “It’s understandable that you’d blame Mr. Weiss – whom you clearly despise”

        You bet he does. “Yonah” will find it very hard to forgive Mr. Weiss for publishing his comments, and giving him all the space he wants. No good or fair person would do that. Now “Yonah” has an archive, and he blames Phil and Mondo.

    • Mooser
      November 17, 2015, 10:20 am

      “It is Russia and US and France against ISIS and Weiss calls this a world war. It is not a world war. It is probably a necessary war that will involve the US holding its nose…”

      Shorter “Yonah”: “Everybody else should fight for Israel. You owe us.”

      “it will require some hardship but nothing compared to the two world wars”

      Yeah, “Yonah” after fighting your way through the trenches of WW1 and surviving the atomic bombs of WW2, you should have a wonderful war!
      No doubt, they will make you a general. General Nose Holder! Yes, Sir!

    • Marnie
      November 17, 2015, 11:59 am

      The green-eyed monster just woke up from his slumber. It’s really creepy Yonah, find another hobby.

  10. RoHa
    November 16, 2015, 11:58 pm

    “And, because the world did not rise up, this terrorism, like a cancer, has spread throughout the world.

    Had the world come down when the terrorists shot the Israeli athletes at the Olympics (in Munich 1972), or hijacked El AL planes, and come down on them hard,”

    So does he want the world to rise up or to come down?

    • Annie Robbins
      November 17, 2015, 12:25 am

      i think he wants them to rise up and then come down. the only thing is, global powers are funding the opposition. if “we” rise up and come down on assad’s opposition, they won’t like that. the glitch is empire uses takfiris to create fitna and bring down assad (or whatever regime change is their target and the more the sovereign country is destroyed the better)– their priority. so what the hoot? when the drugs got cut off after the beirut bust and russia slammed them they were pissed/took it out on beirut/paris. did they think we’d be loyal allies? please. anyway it’s all in havoc. the primary target audience is the masses. the message is fear islam. the goal is totally psychological domination. the prospect of success (for that agenda) is negligible . truth and justice will prevail.

      that said i do think we should rise up and come down on terrorism. the state sponsored kind. let russia or the locals deal w/the takfiri. but we could help by shutting down their support.

      • RoHa
        November 17, 2015, 12:43 am

        “i think he wants them to rise up and then come down.”

        Like a roller coaster? That’s going to make a lot of people queasy.

        “truth and justice will prevail”

        I’d like to think so, but history gives me doubts.

  11. yonah fredman
    November 17, 2015, 12:58 am

    I do not see the causality between the world’s tolerance (making excuses for) the terrorism against Israel and the “resultant” attack on Paris. Terrorism in the middle east existed before the PLO and its spread to the west is almost unavoidable given the chaos in the aftermath of the war against Iraq and the large unassimilated easily radicalized youth of France.

    But I cannot resist commenting that when Islamic murderers killed journalists at Charlie Hebdo and that was followed by the killing at the kosher store, the excuses for killing of Zionists was not missing in this very comments section and somehow now, those excuses* are not heard when the victims of terror are just regular random Parisians rather than the specific targeted Jews in the Hyper Cacher attack. (excuses may be too strong a term, more like: blowback, the mainstream is in fact Zionist so they really are reaping what they have sowed.)

    • Mooser
      November 17, 2015, 10:24 am

      “(excuses may be too strong a term, more like: blowback, the mainstream is in fact Zionist so they really are reaping what they have sowed.)”

      Ah, so that’s the way you see it. A little extreme, but you do have a point.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 17, 2015, 11:04 am

      somehow now, those excuses* are not heard when the victims of terror are just regular random Parisians rather than the specific targeted Jews in the Hyper Cacher attack. (excuses may be too strong a term, more like: blowback, the mainstream is in fact Zionist so they really are reaping what they have sowed.)

      for one thing, they are not “excuses” but rather analysis. that said, you are simply incorrect. scroll up a few comments because before you posted this i had just posted :

      the glitch is empire uses takfiris to create fitna and bring down assad (or whatever regime change is their target and the more the sovereign country is destroyed the better)……. when the drugs got cut off after the beirut bust and russia slammed them they were pissed/took it out on beirut/paris.

      isn’t that another way of saying “blowback”? again, it’s not an excuse nor does it justify killing “regular random Parisians”. but contrary to your assertions this is the same ‘logic’ by which i assessed the earlier attacks against jews. no difference. no less or more callous or sentimental depending on the victim. it doesn’t mean i approve of random slaughter.

      you’re just using this attack to launch off on another of your accusatory rants suggesting we’re all anti semites. it’s always blame game w/you yonah. it’s always your jewish victimhood. can you ever just deal with an event through another lens?

      and as for “the causality between the world’s tolerance (making excuses for) the terrorism against Israel”, maybe that’s because israel is a terrorist state!!

    • Mooser
      November 17, 2015, 11:44 am

      “I do not see the causality between the world’s tolerance (making excuses for) the terrorism against Israel and the “resultant” attack on Paris.

      “Yonah” the word ‘resultant’ appears nowhere else on this page, except in your comment. Why is it in quotes?.
      You are simply lying with quote marks again. Nobody said the attacks on Paris were “resultant” except you.

      You lie quotes into existence, and you expect readers to take your attacks on the credibility and honesty of Mondo as anything but a bad joke?

  12. Ossinev
    November 17, 2015, 8:30 am

    @yonah
    “Terrorism in the middle east existed before the PLO ”

    Spot on.

    Two of the major players in the earlier Middle East terrorism actually got to be Israeli Prime Ministers.

  13. James Canning
    November 17, 2015, 1:07 pm

    The catastrophe in Syria owes rather a lot to Israel’s desire to weaken Hezbollah. The catastrophe in Iraq owed a great deal to Israel’s desire to get rid of Saddam Hussein because he was rewarding, or “compensating”, the families of suicide bombers attacking targets within Israel.

  14. SonofDaffyDuck
    November 17, 2015, 7:04 pm

    So this is the guy who will “lead” the Democrats in the Senate? Lead them over the edge of what cliff?
    Will AIPAC membership be compulsory for all Democratic Members of the Senate? (There might be one or two remaining who are not). Will there be a loyalty oath (not to the US, of course)?

    He is the self proclaimed “Guardian of Isreal.” Who in Heaven’s name will be ours?

  15. hophmi
    November 19, 2015, 8:23 am

    You’re Father Couglin incarnate.

    • Keith
      November 19, 2015, 3:47 pm

      Father Couglin lives! Hophmi has resurrected him!

  16. Mooser
    November 19, 2015, 6:20 pm

    If we are going to drag the man from his eternal slumber, at least spell his name right, it’s “Coughlin”

    But everybody lives on the Internet. It should be easy for “Hophmi” to find transcripts or writings of Father Coughlin and show them to be just the same as Phil Weiss’s.
    And if “Hophmi” could do that on the man’s own blog, he will be the the toast of JMVA Iftar dinners for decades to come.

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