Trump’s claim of 9/11 celebration in New Jersey is based on arrest of 5 ‘laughing’ Israelis

Donald Trump’s nutty/scary claim that he saw thousands of Muslims celebrating the 9/11 attacks in Jersey City has been widely debunked in the media, but few are pointing out the story on which Trump’s claim is likely based: the arrest of five Israeli employees of a moving company who were said to have watched the towers fall from Weehawken, NJ, with jovial expressions.

Trump himself has sought to back up his claim by tweeting a passage from an article in the Washington Post on September 18. That article said:

In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners’ plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.

Who was detained? Jim Galloway at AJC.com remembers that it was Israeli employees of a moving company:

They were Israeli and Jewish – young men making asses of themselves, as some young men are wont to do…. apparently laughing, clowning and photographing themselves

Politico has an article that mentions the Washington Post article but doesn’t tell you that the arrested men were Israelis; while Slate downplays the incident as the “strange tale of the dancing Israelis” in a piece on 9/11 legends. It says that story has taken on a life of its own among anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists.

Whether the Israelis were making asses of themselves or whether the story is repeated by conspiracy theorists is irrelevant. But the case was not a strange tale or a legend. The men were held by US authorities for more than two months before they were deported. This ABC News piece months later describes an investigation of suspicious behavior by the men:

Five men were arrested after they were seen filming the attack and apparently celebrating it too…

The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.” The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.

It was widely thought that the men were spies, ABC said:

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said… many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban Moving had been “set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area.”…

Many U.S. government officials still believe that some of them were on a mission for Israeli intelligence. But the FBI told ABCNEWS, “To date, this investigation has not identified anybody who in this country had pre-knowledge of the events of 9/11.”

This piece published by the Forward (and republished at a WTC-truther site) says the five men were likely Mossad and notes that they were deported to Israel following their release.

According to one former high-ranking American intelligence official, who asked not to be named, the FBI came to the conclusion at the end of its investigation that the five Israelis arrested in New Jersey last September were conducting a Mossad surveillance mission and that their employer, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, N.J., served as a front.

After their arrest, the men were held in detention for two-and-a-half months and were deported at the end of November, officially for visa violations.

I’ve heard about the Israeli movers’ story down through the years and never been very interested in it, it’s in s being in a gray zone of unproveable assertions. But the story certainly doesn’t reflect well on Israel; and what is curious here is the media’s reticence about the Israeli movers as the basis of Trump’s lie. The rules just don’t apply when it comes to Israel; Israeli forces can do no wrong in the U.S. Consider: Last month the CIA co-hosted a conference on national security and invited officials from the blessed trinity of Britain, France and Israel. Gosh. If we had a normal relationship with Israel we might see that they have a constitutional problem — millions of Palestinians can’t vote for the Jewish state government that rules their lives — that is hurting the United States across the Middle East. We can’t. Or consider Russia’s response to Turkey’s shoot-down of its plane. BBC reported today that Russia has already begun cutting off the importation of Turkish foods in a semi-official protest of the attack. I thought of Rachel Corrie and Furkan Dogan. Israeli forces killed these charitable American citizens under highly dubious circumstances; and there have never been consequences to Israel for its conduct. We really have no national interest when it comes to Israel; Israel’s interest is our interest. The failure to report the simple facts around Trump’s lie is yet another example.

Thanks to Peter Voskamp.

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I’ve heard about the Israeli movers’ story down through the years and never been very interested in it, it’s in s being in a gray zone of unproveable assertions.

Unprovable assertions?

Grant Smith secured the truth of the matter with a FOIA from the FBI. He published them, and a rebuttal to the Trump claim on Antiwar.com, on November 24, 2015.

“Joyous Celebration” during 9/11 World Trade Center Attack

“…five (5) Israeli nationals, detained in conjunction with the TWINBOMB investigation, had videotaped the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center and may have possessed foreknowledge of the same…”
http://israellobby.org/urbanmoving/

A Youtube compilation of news reports on September 11, 2001 including the woman who first saw the men beneath her apartment building celebrating the downing of the WTC thinking they were ‘Middle Eastern’ (at 4:12), and the East Rutherford NJ cop, Scott deCarlo, (at 4:31) who arrested the Israelis on the turnpike. Don’t miss minute 5:00. These are the returning Israelis explaining on Israeli TV months later, and after they were released from a Brooklyn jail and whisked home, that they had gone to NYC “to document the event”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aKj6uJ5Mt4

You should note that the FBI’s May 3, 2012, 70-page file copy of Wayne Madsen report on “The Israeli Art Students and Movers” (in Grant Smith’s FOIA listing) contains a stunning list of names, identities, and addresses of Israelis involved in spying on the US.

Smith’s FBI document haul total nearly 400 pages of provable “assertions.”

Did Trump inadvertently open a hornet’s nest?

I ask again, is Trump mis-remembering? or is he goading AIPAC and Sheldon Adelson, who are not supporting his campaign. He also derided his opponent Marco Rubio about Sheldon Adelson grooming him to be a perfect little puppet. He knows about buying politicians. He knows about media. He knows about power and negotiations. He knows finance. He doesn’t need AIPAC’s money, but, if he’s going to win and govern, he will need to have a working relationship with such a media and political power base, which so far is not on his side.

By launching this issue in the wake of the Paris attacks, he may just be another stupid, anti-Muslim racist, or, he may be a very savvy right-wing politician, focused like a laser on winning and then effectively wielding power, showing through indirection that Israel has a lot to lose by alienating a guy like him. It’s like an astute move in chess, opening up multiple lines of attack with a single move. He’s feeding the right-wing mob raw, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant red meat, while subtly warning Netanyahu through AIPAC not to get in his way, not to dismiss him, not to oppose him, not to think that he will toady to them as Obama does, but someone potentially worth dealing with on his terms.

Dismissing him as stupid is pretty dangerous, especially given his past membership in the Democratic Party, suggesting that his right-wing appeals may just be politics to win in the primary.

The politics of the right-wing is very dangerous, but then, the current Israeli government has very clearly adopted that path, and will not stop in its drive toward catastrophe until forced from power.

RE: “I’ve heard about the Israeli movers’ story down through the years and never been very interested in it, it’s in s being in a gray zone of unproveable assertions.”

MY COMMENT: If memory serves me correctly, a woman in New Jersey said she felt her apartment shake and she looked out the window to see what was going on. She saw these guys on the top of their Urban Moving van (in Liberty State Park) celebrating and videotaping in the direction of the twin towers across the bay.
AS I RECALL IT, according to her, the shake/vibration she felt was from the first plane hitting the twin towers, and she immediately went to her window , so the guys with Urban Moving were apparently waiting (ready to film/videotape) for the first plane to hit.
So, the question is not about a “conspiracy”, but is about whether the Israelis were surveilling the terrorists (mostly Saudis) who carried out the 9/11 attacks, and how much they knew about what the (mostly Saudi) terrorists were up to.
Personally, I have no way of knowing. It is possible that any Mossad agents or other Israeli spies who were in the U.S. (whether working at Urban Movers in NJ or working/living elsewhere) had no advance knowledge of 9/11, and were instead involved in unrelated, mundane activities. I simply do not know.

The Five Dancing Israelis – 9/11/2001 – “Our Purpose Was To Document The Event”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStJ5BgadPs