Israeli hospital raid reflects the criminal behavior of the country’s political leadership

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The thuggish operations of the Israeli army match very closely the criminal behavior of the country’s political authorities. The undercover raid of the Palestinian al-Ahli hospital in Hebron by about a dozen IDF operatives in disguise on November 12 resulted in the killing of 27-year-old Abdallah Shalaldeh and the arrest of his cousin Azzam who was being treated there.

An armed attack on a hospital is an offense, according to the Geneva Conventions of 1949, to which Israel was a signatory a year after their formulation, in 1950. I would go so far as to argue that, besides breaking international law, the raid devastates one of the last places of asylum, refuge and indeed hospitality available to a distressed population subjected to the relentless violence both at home and in the streets. A state that was purportedly created to provide asylum to the European Jews fleeing from the ravages of World War II and that vowed to ensure the existence of a refuge place in case of future hostilities against them has been systematically destroying the vestiges of warmth and hospitality Palestinian people so desperately need. A recent wave of assaults on hospitals in Occupied Palestine exacerbates this destruction to previously unseen proportions.

The manner of Thursday’s incursion is, in itself, highly symbolic. Pretending to be Palestinian men, replete with fake beards (has it escaped whoever wrote the script for this bizarre event that Halloween is over?), Israeli soldiers acted like outlaws, unidentified by military uniforms. Wheeling in one of their comrades disguised as a pregnant woman, they betrayed the doctors’ and nurses’ trust. Rather than bringing a new life into the world, they sowed death; rather than saving lives, the way al-Ahli’s staff do on a daily basis, they took a life and a living hostage. More than that, they took hostage hospitality itself, be it of the hospital or of an impulse toward generosity—the altruism, the desire to help, and much else that is good in a human being.

It is clear that the Israeli response to popular Palestinian resistance is one lacking any restraint whatsoever. The policy of “no holds barred” is intended further to intimidate the population living under Occupation, to beat it into submission, not only on a physical but also on a psychological level, whereby safety is not guaranteed even in the most welcoming and hospitable places of refuge, such as hospitals. Israel thus endeavors to create a miniature world where there are no hosts and guests but only the undisputed masters of the land and their dehumanized slaves.

At bottom, Israel engages in self-dehumanization when it sanctions raids akin to the one that happened this Thursday. Having excoriated from themselves the duty of hospitality toward others, the state’s authorities and military interfere in the exercise of this inviolable duty between others. In such circumstances, the most effective resistance is doing one’s utmost not to descend to the unacceptable behavior of the occupier. Hence, the most effective resistance is promoting the right to unconditional hospital treatment and, above all, hospitality.

About Michael Marder

Michael Marder is IKERBASQUE Research Professor of Philosophy at the University of the Basque Country (UPV-EHU), Vitoria-Gasteiz, Spain. His most recent monographs include The Philosopher’s Plant: An Intellectual Herbarium (2014), Pyropolitics: When the World Is Ablaze (2015), and Dust (2016). He is now completing a book, co-authored with Luce Irigaray and titled Through Vegetal Being.

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  1. a blah chick
    November 13, 2015, 10:39 am

    Would someone please explain why this massive use of force was necessary? The guy is wounded in a hospital, two thugs armed with pistols could have taken him. It’s almost as if they are planning these operations like we would a party. And they’ll all probably get medals for it too.

    Also they claim that they “co-ordinated” this crime with the PA. Let’s not forget that.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      November 13, 2015, 2:08 pm

      I wrote on another thread that a collaborator must have been involved here, and probably someone fairly easy to identify. But now that you mention it, the collaborator was the usual one – Israel’s West Bank lieutenants, the so-called “Palestinian Authority’.

      As to your first question. The Israeli army and ‘security’ forces haven’t had much to brag about for a long, long time. Their most recent wars have shown that, unless they’ve got local informers tipping them off, their much-hyped ‘intelligence’ is in fact fairly lousy. Similarly, the IDF hasn’t achieved anything that could even be spun as a ‘victory’ since oh, 1973. Hence the need for an ‘audacious’ Entebbe style raid (which is what dumb Israelis will believe it to be). As you say, these thugs will be honoured as heroes in Israel.

    • brent
      November 14, 2015, 2:19 pm

      ” the most effective resistance is doing one’s utmost not to descend to the unacceptable behavior of the occupier.”

      For me this article delineates a couple important considerations. First, it has long seemed likely Israel treats Palestinians in a manner calculated to preclude civility or forgiveness. This prevents any discussion of “what’s fair”. Second, it keeps Palestinians from thinking straight about their self-interest.

      Of late we have seen Palestinian reactions set back their support system worldwide and mitigate against any plans Obama may have had about moving the situation forward in his time left.

      Hunger strikes and campaigning for equality and dignity are a far more powerful resistance than stones, knives or rockets.

    • truthurts
      November 16, 2015, 4:06 am

      “systematically destroying the vestiges of warmth and hospitality ‘Palestinian people so desperately need ”
      and lets not forget, for those few that even knew, the warmth and hospitality that both christian and muslim palestinians showed their fellow native palestinian jews who allowed them to hide out in their homes from the vicious jewish terror gangs irgun and stern inconceivably whos two leaders eventually were both overwhelmingly voted by the jewish population to be prime minister.
      this infactuation with the israeli polpulation voting heads of terror gangs as pm leading all the way up to the present terror master satanyahu so affectionately known as “bibi”
      and isn’t that so cute

  2. ivri
    November 13, 2015, 12:51 pm

    Indeed, I was wondering myself about this operation -it would have better befitted an operation in a hostile country, even Gaza, than an area where your forces can move almost freely.
    The explanation probably lie in the psychological-warfare realm, which is not less important in this general particular arena – a quasi-Intifada in the West-Bank – since given its (very) low-intensity warfare nature the outcome is very much about mindsets rather than physical gains.
    It is likely aimed at blocking Hamas – the common nemesis of Israel and the PA – as Hebron is a stronghold of it. Note also the flare up in Bethlehem, which is another city where Hamas is politically strong. In other words there is here a double split strategy: Gaza from the West-Bank and in the later: Hamas strongholds and the PA ones.

    • John O
      November 13, 2015, 1:13 pm

      Some interesting thoughts there, Ivri. But I think you give those behind the operation too much credit for subtlety. Divide and rule is a strategy, and one that Israel has used with a great deal of success for many years. But the question here is one of tactics – why the subterfuge, when a few truckloads of IDF squaddies could have done the same job? My guess is that it’s showboating by “special forces” and intelligence agencies wanting to justify their reputations and budgets; perhaps just commanding officers on an ego-trip (common enough in warfare, e.g. Custer). Unfortunately Israeli forces don’t do subtle or clever, just brutal.

      • ivri
        November 13, 2015, 3:24 pm

        @john O
        That`s possible – a competition between branches (as the CIA operated drones and other military-like actions) – although it is not characteristic of Israel. It could also be a live exercise? Apparently, the second Intifada, due to its severity, has pushed Israel to develop all kinds of capabilities and deploy a range of units in case it erupts again. You have now the Police anti-terror fighting units, the border-police (which is semi military), the various IDF units, the Shin-Beth, the disguised-like-Arabs commandos, the military intelligence active units and who knows what else.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      November 13, 2015, 1:52 pm

      Not a single word in that litle rant makes sense.

      Not one.

  3. Bumblebye
    November 13, 2015, 5:01 pm

    Explosions, shootings Paris. At least 18 dead, hostages taken. Breaking.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 13, 2015, 6:52 pm

      omg just found out. excruciating! and right after beirut!

      • Kay24
        November 13, 2015, 7:17 pm

        The Russian airplane before that. They are striking in many parts of the world. This is scary.

      • Sibiriak
        November 13, 2015, 8:17 pm

        But the attacks in Paris were “an attack on all of humanity and the universal values we share” (Obama).

        Even at the height of the clashes linked to the Algerian civil war in the 1990s, France had never experienced this level of violence.” (Libération)

        http://www.liberation.fr/france/2015/11/14/unite_1413331

  4. Bumblebye
    November 13, 2015, 5:26 pm

    3 points of attack, 3 loud bombs, between 26 and 30 dead (2 diff agencies), around 100 hostages at a concert venue (death metal), some who escaped say 5 or 6 gunmen, several dead bodies. Update while typing – over 60 dead.

    • Sibiriak
      November 13, 2015, 11:57 pm

      On the points of attack:

      “The attacks were concentrated in the center of Paris, on the Right Bank. These are places and streets that burst with life on a Friday evening. It is where young and hip Parisians gather to drink and socialize. Le Carillon, La Belle Equipe, Le Petit Cambodge: these are ordinary neighborhood joints where you meet your buddies for a quick “demi” of watery French beer or a snack before going out somewhere else.

      I know these places well. This is where I meet up with my old friends whenever I go to Paris. In the early 90s, I saw Prince playing an aftershow at the Bataclan—now a venue which will forever be associated with tragedy and death. This is not the side of Paris seen by tourists or business travelers; rather, it’s an area where actual Parisians and people from the banlieues hang out and mix together.

      They might have gentrified, yet these neighborhoods have retained their proletarian and ethnically-mixed flavor. That whiff of authenticity is part of the neighborhood’s attraction for Parisian Bobos, as they call themselves. The banlieues are the cities and housing projects surrounding Paris, where most of the French youth of immigrant descent live (contrary to popular imagination, the banlieues are far from desolate ghettos, “no-go zones” or breeding grounds for jihadists: they are difficult yet vibrant and dynamic places).

      This is the land of hipster socialists. These neighborhoods recently elected a female socialist mayor, as well as a slew of Green Party candidates, even as the rest of the country voted for the more conservative and anti-immigration parties on the Right.

      The attackers, whomever they may be and whatever their motives, went after the heart of progressive Paris. They did not attack the more touristy Champs-Elysées or Notre Dame, or the more bourgeois and conservative left bank, where most of the government ministries are located.

      That message is reinforced by the site of the other attack, the Stade de France. That particular stadium is one of the few places where the promise of a more integrated France is realized, if only intermittently.

      The French soccer team, known as “Les Bleus,” is the paragon of the ‘black-blanc-beur’ ideal (black, white, arab). The national team is republican meritocracy in action, and it works. The Stade de France is where a French team led by the Algerian-Frenchman Zinedine Zidane won the greatest trophy in sports, the FIFA World Cup, in 1998.

      Tonight’s attacks show the same uncanny sense of symbolism as the January massacres. They targeted neighborhoods where people are more inclined to be tolerant, liberal and progressive.

      And they targeted the greatest monument to France’s multi-ethnic, pluralistic success: the hallowed ground of the Stade de France.

      These attacks will almost certainly strengthen the hand of hard-line conservatives, from anti-Islam popular intellectualslike Eric Zemmour and Michel Houellebecq to right wing extremists like Marine Le Pen. There are important regional elections coming up next month, and these attacks could seal the National Front’s victory in several regional governments.” [emphasis added]

      http://fusion.net/story/233036/paris-attack-young-progressive-core/

  5. MHughes976
    November 13, 2015, 5:57 pm

    This is terrible and a terrible warning to the UK, very likely next in line. Phones in Isrsel will be ringing off the hook tomorrow as the Israelis, world anti-terrorism experts, are begged to come to our aid. They will charge a price. The abandonment of those ‘made in settlements’ labels may well be the least of it.

    • Bumblebye
      November 13, 2015, 6:02 pm

      They’re experts at fomenting terrorism, never at ending it.

      • JWalters
        November 13, 2015, 6:07 pm

        Arsonists who provide “firefighting” services.

    • ivri
      November 13, 2015, 6:05 pm

      The labels can stay. What the Europeans will be charged for the anti-terror assistance can be used to compensate the settlements for sale losses.

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2015, 9:09 pm

        “The labels can stay. What the Europeans will be charged for the anti-terror assistance can be used to compensate the settlements for sale losses.”

        Zionist omniscience and omnipotence, flying by on the half-shell.

      • talknic
        November 13, 2015, 9:59 pm

        @ ivri “The labels can stay. What the Europeans will be charged for the anti-terror assistance can be used to compensate the settlements for sale losses”

        Selling stolen property is illegal. But you know this already.

      • ivri
        November 14, 2015, 7:48 am

        @Mooser: “Zionist omniscience and omnipotence”
        No omni`s, just trying to be prepared – in a scary world it helps a great deal to be so. Peculiarly the many troubles Israel went through – and I don`t wish anybody (I like) to encounter experiences as the second Intifada here – served as an immune act. Now, when similar scary times are spreading all around the world, being ready for it has its benefits.
        It is gradually turning out that in many ways Israel was just a harbinger for things to come – experiencing first, by its physical proximity (and tempting smallness), what others will do later. For instance, I still remember the time when only El-Al counters were guarded and people checked there thoroughly and I used to envy other destination`s passengers – they seemed to live in a different world.
        For a long time French people regarded anti-Israel (or Jewish) violent acts there as not their concern – it` s all about “the Mid-East conflict” (at that time it meant Israel vs. others) – even tacitly accepting the “understandable/justifiable rage” of Arabs in France about what is happening to their “Palestinian brethren”.
        That era is definitely over.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        November 14, 2015, 9:17 am

        “they seemed to live in a different world.”

        They did. They lived in a world where it’s not OK to steal another land and expel the indigenous people on the off-chance that maybe your ancestors just might have lived there 2000 years ago. And then whine about being the victims when, just in a while, the oppressed strike back at you.

        “For a long time French people regarded anti-Israel (or Jewish) violent acts there as not their concern – it` s all about “the Mid-East conflict” (at that time it meant Israel vs. others) – even tacitly accepting the “understandable/justifiable rage” of Arabs in France about what is happening to their “Palestinian brethren”.

        And btw what on earth do the attacks in Paris have to do with ”anti-Israel violence”? Do you know something that French intelligence don’t?

        Please give details of these “anti-Israel (or Jewish) violent acts” which were greeted by such supreme indifference by the French people.

      • Marnie
        November 14, 2015, 9:33 am

        “For a long time French people regarded anti-Israel (or Jewish) violent acts there as not their concern – it` s all about “the Mid-East conflict” (at that time it meant Israel vs. others) – even tacitly accepting the “understandable/justifiable rage” of Arabs in France about what is happening to their “Palestinian brethren”.

        Really? So should we be expecting some video of dancing Israeli’s ala 9/11 or how ’bout Netanyahu making a comment that this will be good for Israel?

    • DaBakr
      November 14, 2015, 1:14 am

      countries and their citizens usually being concerned with self preservation will naturally react with common sense and ask a nation with the specific expertise for foiling these exact type of attacks. private French security firms will be a big beneficiary. As will security cam outfits.

      one of the reasons there were night friday sabbath killings is that private and public security is already guarding most synagogs on friday and saturdays.

      I find it incredibly curious that the American president Obama still consciously refuses to mention these killers as Islamic extremists. Kahane was certainly referred to as a Jewish extremist. So are all the Israeli terrorists that killed called “Jewish trrorists”. why does the western world seem so pathetically scared to call these acts what they are. Why are all Muslims insulted? All Jews were never ‘insulted’ by the accusation of ‘Jewish’ extremists. Admitting these attacks are carried out by radical, crazy and murderous Muslims does not in anyway imply that the vast billion Muslims approve of this terror. The ones that do should be chastised and the ones that don’t should speak out and act.

      Just wait until an attack hits Moscow. Putin has already hinted at small tactical nukes. And wait also for the news that one or two of the leaders of this Paris cell were swept into europe in the wave of immigration. Europe is going to go insane with twisting itself into knots over over-sensitive lefties and reactionary right wing forces. And the idea that the I/P conflict concluding with either a 1ss or a 2ss will be the balm that will soothe the beast that is radical Islam opposing the über-riche capitalist nations (including-eventually China too) is ludicrous. Palestinians will need as much protection from being taken over by IS as Jordan, KSA, Yemen Syria etc. Isr

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        November 14, 2015, 9:33 am

        “I find it incredibly curious that the American president Obama still consciously refuses to mention these killers as Islamic extremists. ”

        And I find it incredibly curious that you find it incredibly curious that the leader of a foreign state should publically pass judgement on those responsible for an act when nobody at the time had claimed responsibility for that act.

        ” So are all the Israeli terrorists that killed called “Jewish trrorists”.

        Really? When has any Western leader referrred to the IDF as Jewish terrorists? Any leader who did would be forced to apologise within days, and would be haunted by their ‘anti-semitic’ remarks for the rest of their careers.

        BTW like a lot of Zionists, you seem to be taking a lot of glee in these attacks.

      • Marnie
        November 14, 2015, 9:38 am

        “I find it incredibly curious that the American president Obama still consciously refuses to mention these killers as Islamic extremists .”

        That’s telling. Unlike Netanyahu, Pres. Obama doesn’t run his mouth like a damn idiot. If you need that kind of service, the bots at Fox News, Fox and Friends and just about every other MSM outlet will make those ridiculous claims.

      • Mooser
        November 14, 2015, 11:03 am

        Somebody please wipe this page off. “Dabakr” is drooling all over it at the thought of more terrorism.

      • Rashers2
        November 14, 2015, 1:51 pm

        The unseemly but ill-disguised smugness and sanctimony of ivri & DaBakr could make a conspiracy theorist out of the most literal-minded of folk….. Sorry to disabuse your obsession, DaBakr, but Parisian synagogues and matters Jewish/Zionist simply didn’t figure in this. IS/Daesh (assuming, as seems now settled, it indeed perpetrated the Paris attacks) couldn’t care less about attacking French Jews. This was a “punishment” of France for being a member of the coalition which seeks to destroy Daesh (even though it is arguable that France, which did not participate in the invasion of Iraq, bears less responsibility for the circumstances that led to Daesh’s creation than do several other NATO member states); the same will be true of any attacks in Moscow, Petersburg or any other city in metropolitan Russia; and of any such IS attacks, which may occur in Britain or the USA.
        Now, each of you, before you return to relishing your Schadenfreude, consider this: if the Israeli government wishes to demonstrate its condemnation of the Paris attacks and its solidarity with the West of which it so wants to be a part, how about it reviews its policy of treating Daesh as a useful tool in the Zionist regional proxy toolbox?

  6. Bumblebye
    November 13, 2015, 5:58 pm

    Speed of US response, ongoing outbreaks in Paris, they claim to be a “state”, they’ve declared war on a nato member, our political heads will commit our forces to fight in both iraq & syria by monday.

  7. Kay24
    November 13, 2015, 6:23 pm

    This has really shaken me. A loved one is scheduled to go to Paris next Saturday. Timing is everything. Terrorism is terrible, and it is hard to fight these damn cowards, who pick on innocent civilians to perpetrate these massacres. Paris has always been a special place for me to visit, it has always been a place of culture and peace, violence has struck this beautiful place, and is terrifying the people. My heart goes out to all in Paris, and hope they are able to get over this terrible event with the support the entire world will show. them So sad.
    France has declared a state of emergency and all borders are closed. This is very serious.

    The demons responsible for this, must be brought to justice.

    • Rashers2
      November 14, 2015, 1:25 pm

      I think everyone is shaken by the events in Paris over this weekend (sorry, that’s Friday & today for me). Not travelling to France, as your friend or family member is scheduled to do, however, hands a measure of victory to the terrorist. I lived in London through almost 20 years of the Provisional IRA, its various off-shoots, derivatives and the extreme opposite fringe in the Northern Ireland conflict carrying out bombings and shootings aimed at causing fear and disruption. A close colleague’s father was assassinated in 1979 by a car bomb as he drove out of the Palace of Westminster (Parliament). Part of what defeated the terrorists, in the end, was that they didn’t succeed in disrupting our lives or in making us afraid to walk the streets. Same in 2005, when the 7/7 `bus and underground railway bombs hit London: until that occurred, every morning I would take a taxi from the railway terminus to my office in the City of London; post- 7/7, I used the `bus – it was my way of saying, “F*ck you!” to the terrorists.

      • Kay24
        November 14, 2015, 3:15 pm

        I have lived in a nation that faced terrorism, and even heard the explosions when bombs went off nearby, so I know what you mean. It is the most scary situation to be in, because ultimately, innocent civilians pay the price for these meaningless war games. What happened in Paris is really bad, and we know it will not be the last time. That is very unfortunate.

  8. eljay
    November 13, 2015, 6:45 pm

    The news coming out of Paris is shocking. I condemn the attacks and hope that the perpetrators are caught, brought to trial and, if found guilty, held accountable for their crimes.

    And, no, Zio-supremacists, the attacks do not justify Jewish supremacism in/and a supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine and related past and on-going (war) crimes.

    • Kay24
      November 13, 2015, 6:53 pm

      I agree with what you have said. The attack going on in Paris is just terrible, and my thoughts are with the people of France, and what they are going through.

      Yes, of course, you can expect the zionists to take the opportunity and keep justifying their crimes against the Palestinians, there is no connection at all between the two situations.
      But, they they will keep acting like there is.

    • Kay24
      November 14, 2015, 3:16 pm

      I see some are already (desperately) equating the Paris tragedy to the I/P situation.

      As predicted, they are all with the same talking points. Pathetic.

  9. Bumblebye
    November 13, 2015, 6:57 pm

    Paris police op to take Bataclan (concert venue) over, only details so far – 2 attackers killed.

    • lysias
      November 13, 2015, 7:01 pm

      According to Le monde, the police assault on Bataclan is successfully completed, two terrorists killed.

      UPDATE: Le Monde il y a 2 minutes
      Selon la direction centrale de la police, l’attaque au Bataclan a fait des “dizaines de morts”.

      • Bumblebye
        November 13, 2015, 7:13 pm

        Yeah. Already the few who escaped said about 15 dead, that was couple hours ago. This is hell. bbcR5 has extremely good ongoing coverage if it’s available online.

  10. Bumblebye
    November 13, 2015, 7:19 pm

    Several sources – 100 dead at concert hall.
    band was apparently called “Eagles of Death”. Death metal. How bloody grim.

    • Bumblebye
      November 13, 2015, 7:32 pm

      Number of concert attackers dead now 3.

      Paris dep mayor says 118 dead from concert hall.

      reuters says city official – death toll 140.

      Also been two suicide attacks in the city.

  11. jamescharpentier
    November 14, 2015, 1:32 am

    Still no country has emerged and taken any initial step as far as it is concerned to control terrorism in the world. If this situation tends to be extends means, then the world will be fully occupied by the terrorist and terrorism so, at least here after the world’s supreme nations should try to take some severe steps and actions to control the terrorism and terrorists in the world.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 14, 2015, 2:21 am

      If this situation tends to be extends means, then the world will be fully occupied by the terrorist and terrorism

      so that’s an interesting first comment james. especially for someone whose commenter profile is to “professional academic [and award winning] writing” website.

  12. a4tech
    November 14, 2015, 2:55 am

    This is just a tip of the tip of the iceberg of Israel’s government criminal activity. There are large amount of circumstantial and logical evidence that the same government played a major role in the current ISIS terror reign in the Middle East, the recent Beirut bombings, the assasination of Hariri, the Charlie Hebdo attacks and lastly the Paris terror attacks yesterday.

    The more they scheme and inflict chaos, the more transparent they become. If I may share a quote from the Quran,

    “But they plan, and Allah (God) plans. And Allah (God) is the best of planners” – [Sura al-Anfal, 8:30]

    • Mooser
      November 14, 2015, 4:17 pm

      “If I may share a quote from the Quran…”

      May I share one from the Bard? Thanks: ” a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.” No, not the Quaran. “Macbeth” Act 5 Scene 5.

      • eljay
        November 14, 2015, 9:25 pm

        || a4tech: … If I may share a quote from the Quran … ||

        || Mooser: May I share one from the Bard? … ||

        J.R.R. Tokien: “The world is indeed full of peril and in it there are many dark places.”

    • gamal
      November 15, 2015, 9:56 am

      I see you give the sura’s name and number, weird, either will do, and that you are using the sahih international translation, its not very good for example Dr. Ghali translates it as “and they were scheming, and God was scheming; and God is the most charitable of schemers”8:30

      puzzled why you left out the 1st part of the ayat, are you qualified to do that, its so relevant considering the topic, Ghali renders it thus

      “And as the ones who have disbelieved were scheming to confine you, or kill you, or to drive you out” 8:30,

      Do you think its best rendered md or ml, if you know what i mean, you should be able to work that out, even an alert impostor should be able to easily confound me, unless they are lazy.

      I would have thought you would be more conversant with the 63rd sura, sure only 55 sura’s to labour through to get there, you’ll enjoy its startling relevance.

      “logical evidence that the same government played a major role in the current ISIS terror reign in the Middle East, the recent Beirut bombings, the assasination of Hariri, the Charlie Hebdo attacks and lastly the Paris terror attacks yesterday” a4tech.

      what is the logical evidence for such a claim? you seem to be changing direction, have you been checked for radicalization recently, now maybe a good time, its a simple though not painless procedure, these things can just sneak up on you.

      • Mooser
        November 15, 2015, 11:28 am

        “you seem to be changing direction”

        Changing direction? Yes, sometimes “a4tech” reasons clockwise, sometimes counterclockwise,
        but always, without fail, in a tight circle.

      • a4tech
        November 15, 2015, 11:36 am

        What are you trying to get at? The logical proof are to numerous to fit as a comment, and needs its own article. The core of it is every material consequences of those events benefited Israel.

        The Sura is to show that putting on a facade and playing dirty games to fight the law of nature ( God’s plan) is a futile endeavor that will always lead to failure. I think it is a very good reminder even within the secular context for the oppressed and the oppressor alike.

      • Mooser
        November 15, 2015, 12:22 pm

        “a4tech” my knowledge of Islam is quite skimpy, but I get a very, very strong feeling that it would be very bad, very improper, or worse, for a Muslim to use a “sura” in the way you just did.

        Perhaps somebody with more knowledge could tell me.

      • Mooser
        November 15, 2015, 12:26 pm

        “The logical proof are to numerous to fit as a comment”

        “a4tech” I hate to break this to you, but wild conjectures, along with the mis-use of Scripture, are not “logical proof”.

        I remind you of your words which started this nested discussion:

        “This is just a tip of the tip of the iceberg of Israel’s government criminal activity. There are large amount of circumstantial and logical evidence that the same government played a major role in the current ISIS terror reign in the Middle East, the recent Beirut bombings, the assasination of Hariri, the Charlie Hebdo attacks and lastly the Paris terror attacks yesterday. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/countrys-political-leadership/comment-page-1#comment-810185

  13. a blah chick
    November 14, 2015, 8:34 am

    ivri sez: “I still remember the time when only El-Al counters were guarded and people checked there thoroughly and I used to envy other destination`s passengers – they seemed to live in a different world.”

    Yeah, who knew that dispossessing an entire people of their land would have consequences.

    “…and I don`t wish anybody (I like) to encounter experiences as the second Intifada here…”

    Correct me if I am wrong but you seem to be suggesting that people you don’t like can experience terror or general unpleasantness. Isn’t that the way terrorists talk and think?

    • Rashers2
      November 14, 2015, 3:48 pm

      “I still remember the time when only El-Al counters were guarded and people checked there thoroughly and I used to envy other destination’s passengers – they seemed to live in a different world.” Well, yes, they lived in a different world – to be more precise, they lived in differnt parts of the world where their governments’ behaviour did not make their national airlines prime targets of those p*ssed off with such behaviour. Unhappily, decades of inequitable, egregious and partisan Middle Eastern foreign policies have now heaped similar opprobrium upon numerous other governments. To borrow from a different piece today, by PW, ivri does know how to write “happy horseshit”, does he not?

  14. Vera Gottlieb
    November 14, 2015, 9:50 am

    Not to mention the criminal mind-set of the populace which supports this leadership. A sick, sick, sick country.

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