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A group of red-beret-wearing Palestinian police scuffled with Israeli soldiers near Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’ residence last week and ordered the military to leave the area of the West Bank under Palestinian security control. Footage of the December 21, 2015 incident was published by local media. It shows Palestinian presidential guards threatening Israeli forces outside of the city of Beitunia near Ramallah.

A Palestinian security official said his officers told the Israeli soldiers they would shoot if the soldiers did not retreat, reported the Bethlehem-based outlet Ma’an News Agency.

Because the confrontation involved Abbas’ personal protection force, the dispute was upgraded to the political track.

Israeli Prime Minster Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly apologized to the Palestinian leadership, citing the movement into a region controlled by Palestinian security as a mistake, according to Defense News

Defense News went on to report the account of an unnamed senior Israeli official who said: ”Our soldiers came to the barrier that blocked off the street and told their soldiers to lower their weapons, that we needed to work here,” continuing, “The security of Abu Mazen [Abbas] started arguing, and after a few minutes, our soldiers understood. They took a different route. There was no violence; just shouting and perhaps pushing.”

The Palestinian leadership did not log the incident in its daily monitoring report of Israeli military activities inside of the West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem.

While interactions between Palestinian security and Israeli military forces are not rare, the schism marked the first time in years when Palestinian police removed Israeli soldiers from a city in the West Bank.

Under the Oslo agreement the West Bank is divided into three regions (area A, B and C). Area A includes all of the major Palestinian cities and is under full Palestinian security control. Israeli forces are prohibited from entering these islands of autonomy, although in practice they cross into area A several times a week. Typically they enter for nighttime incursions and arrest operations, at which time Palestinian police are generally out of sight as a byproduct of security coordination between the armed forces.

The relationship between the two armed outfits has come under increased scrutiny by Palestinians who perceive security coordination as an example of their leadership sanctioning Israeli military control over the West Bank. In a recent survey by the leading West Bank pollster, the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, 64-percent of Palestinians said they support an end to security coordination with Israel.

Last year the Palestinian leadership voted to end security coordination with the Israeli military, which in theory would mean Palestinian police would make inroads to remove Israeli forces from area A of the West Bank. Despite the formal decision of the Palestinian government, implementation is still under debate. Palestinian leaders are meeting this week in Ramallah for continued discussions on when cutting ties with the Israeli military will take place.

The Palestinian presidential guard is one branch of the Palestinian police force established by the Oslo Accords. The forces train in the West Bank city of Jericho at a $10 million police academy funded by the U.S. government. In 2014 they added the first all-women unit.

The last notable confrontation between the presidential guard and the Israeli military took place in September 1996 when the presidential guard fired shots on Israeli soldiers in both the West Bank and Gaza, during clashes between the Israeli military and Palestinian demonstrators. The incident caused a diplomatic frenzy, and then-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, serving his first term, met with the former chairman of the Palestinian government Yasser Arafat.

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  1. Rodneywatts
    December 29, 2015, 6:25 am

    Thanks Allison, but is there really any substantive sign of an end to the dithering Abbas regime? I know your previous post indicated another intifada on the horizon. However, the overwhelming military might of the IDS is a sobering thought. What will the Palestinian leadership decide/not decide in Ramallah?
    Yes, good on the stand taken by the Palestinian guards — Israeli soldiers have long stolen a mile , having been given an inch. The Oslo Accord is surely dead and we must keep up international pressure to see true justice in I/P. Never again should the Christmas celebration in Bethlehem involve a star of candles in tear gas cannisters.
    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/christmas-in-bethlehem

  2. amigo
    December 29, 2015, 8:50 am

    Those of you celebrating this event had better keep your heads down .Max (debunked ) Narr will be here to claim these poor Jewish victims have been “ethnically cleansed” from their historic homeland.

    • eljay
      December 29, 2015, 10:28 am

      || amigo: Those of you celebrating this event had better keep your heads down .Max (debunked ) Narr will be here to claim these poor Jewish victims have been “ethnically cleansed” from their historic homeland. ||

      Maybe hophmi will chime in with accusations of anti-Semitism and “Jew hatred”.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        December 29, 2015, 10:38 am

        He’s too busy doing some end of year out-reach.

      • eljay
        December 29, 2015, 10:41 am

        || Maximus Decimus Meridius: He’s too busy doing some end of year out-reach. ||

        Or maybe it’s reach-around? ;-)

      • Mooser
        December 29, 2015, 12:51 pm

        Maybe… will chime in with”

        That tsitsa makher? He’s not coming out till all the lights are down.

  3. Theo
    December 29, 2015, 10:11 am

    There is a mid-european proverb: “cowardly people will not have a home to call their own”!
    The palestinians behave like a bunch of sheep, 67 years of subjugation, daily insults, loss of their rights, loss and destruction of their land and home did not make them to react with a powerful “that is enough”!

    Just like a single butterfly does not make a spring, this what I call innocent show of force will not bring anything positiv to the destiny of that people. They must chase all those old men, who are their so called leaders out the PA, elect new, younger ones who have balls in their throusers and who are not bought with a few silver coins, to refer to the Bible and Judas.
    They must go to the UN, apply to all UN sections, ask for UN forces to guard the lines between Israel and the West Bank, demand the removal of all illegal settlers, file criminal charges at the ICC, in other words make so much noise that the world cannot ignore them anymore.
    Or they can throw stones, get butchered in return, let the IDF to check new weapons on them once a while and keep saying: beeeeeh.

    • MHughes976
      December 29, 2015, 11:44 am

      I’m reluctant to call people cowardly unless I think I would behave with more resolution than they do were I in their place.

      • Theo
        December 30, 2015, 7:50 am

        MH

        You are absolutly correct, so did americans during 1776 or so, or did they gain their freedom with writing nice letters? With the attitude of most of these commenters here we would still would be a british colony today, paying our taxes to the queen.
        The writer of this lines faced soviet tanks at age 18, people died left and right of him, later served in special units in the US army, etc.

      • MHughes976
        December 30, 2015, 12:21 pm

        I have no such record as a fearless (or any other kind of) warrior, so I am more hesitant. It isn’t easy to demand elite courage or other exceptional qualities from average people, I suppose. The experience of occupied Europe in WW2 has often been discussed and it seems that most people tried to find middle ways between collaboration and resistance. Hilberg got into trouble, I understand, for ‘blaming’ the Euro Jews for insufficient resistance, but I have reservations about that opinion too.

      • Mooser
        December 30, 2015, 12:39 pm

        “The writer of this lines faced soviet tanks at age 18, people died left and right of him, later served in special units in the US army, etc.”

        Well, then, you are just the guy to completely reverse US policy, be given command of the 101st Airborne, and a task fleet and an air wing, and sweep the Zionists triumphantly from Palestine.
        Think of Allenby as you humbly walk, bareheaded, into Jerusalem.

      • Mooser
        December 30, 2015, 12:57 pm

        “I have no such record as a fearless (or any other kind of) warrior, so I am more hesitant.”

        Neither does “Theo”. He’s taking credit for the actions of another “Theo”. Frankly, I think “Theo” has adopted “Theo’s” entire identity.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 30, 2015, 3:07 pm

        I think “Theo” has adopted “Theo’s” entire identity.

        have you checked this out lately? http://mondoweiss.net/profile/theo/1

      • Mooser
        December 30, 2015, 5:04 pm

        “have you checked this out lately?”

        He may have studied with an expert dialectician and grammarian, but I can tell that he was born…

    • Susan A
      December 29, 2015, 12:10 pm

      Behave like a ‘bunch of sheep’? You don’t seem to know much about their history…

      • Mooser
        December 29, 2015, 1:53 pm

        Oh gosh, Theodore of Palestine is back. I would have thought he’d be placing ads in “Soldier of Fortune” for the practitioners of various martial and political specialties by now.
        C’mon, Theo, let’s get this thing off the ground. Surprise and secrecy are of the essence!

    • amigo
      December 29, 2015, 1:03 pm

      “Cowards dare others to do what they themselves do not dare to do.”
      ― Ana Monnar

      • gamal
        December 29, 2015, 4:00 pm

        “you have the nerve to call those victims sheep?”

        “normally a sheep is a placid creature” but, only those with a firm grasp of reality should move on to the flying sheep sketch, its as real as “The News”.

        mind the tropes, enjoy the memes

        sheep reconsidered.

        https://youtu.be/fILaLb6lsZ0

    • diasp0ra
      December 29, 2015, 2:29 pm

      @Theo

      Time and time again your prove your ignorance on the subject.

      I don’t think you’re familiar with the geographical, historical or political situation in occupied Palestine if you are making such ridiculous arguments.

      “The palestinians behave like a bunch of sheep, 67 years of subjugation, daily insults, loss of their rights, loss and destruction of their land and home did not make them to react with a powerful “that is enough””

      Oh silly me, and here I thought the decades of Palestinian militias, operations, wars and Intifadas were Palestinians trying to fight for their rights. Silly me. The great Theo apparently thinks we just take everything sitting down.

      You seem to think that Palestine is this massive territory that people can train in and smuggle weapons in. This highlights your ignorance and your lack of authority on the BS you’re spouting. There is not a single thing that comes into Palestine without Israeli permission. Have you ever tried to send a letter to or from Palestine? It takes literally 3 months to pass because of security. A letter.

      Do you not understand the meaning of military occupation? There is literally no place in all Palestine that does not have an Israeli troop presence. There are bases sprawling the entire West Bank, patrols on every main street outside areas A, soldiers on every crossing, settlers on every hill.

      Do you think people would be going to knife soldiers if they had access to any kind of weapons that Israel has access to? Do they think they would be throwing stones if they could defend themselves properly?

      Even in South Africa, a country where the Africans outnumbered the invaders 9 to 1, where there were friendly countries nearby to host training camps and arm the anti Apartheid groups, where the country was massive enough that militias could be formed under the noses of the Boers…and still that conflict could not have been solved militarily. Because what you don’t seem to understand is that SETTLER colonialism is not like an army invading a territory for a military objective.

      What even is the end goal here? For Palestinians to occupy Tel Aviv? What? Even if some weapons are smuggled in, what can a few militias do against one of the most advanced armies in the world that has a stranglehold on literally all strategic areas and has informants on the scene for decades? We hurt them? And then what? What is the plan? Say we miraculously push them out of the West Bank. Then what? Live besieged like those in Gaza? Push into Israel? Your comment is reckless and dangerous, and gives no value to what Palestinians will have to endure “win” or lose.

      We can’t win militarily against Israel. I’m not saying this out of any pacifistic reason. I echo Mandela on this stance, if I thought that military resistance could bring us liberation I would be all for it. I just don’t believe it’s the way to achieve what we want. At the same time don’t misunderstand what I just said to constitute me criticizing those who do choose to resist with military means, as all means of resistance are open to resist occupation.

      Theo, have you ever lived in the West Bank or Gaza strip? Are you familiar with the geography? Do you even understand the number of settlers and soldiers that are swarming all over the place? Do you truly think that you are the first person to think Palestinians should fight back?

      What a disgusting and condescending comment you’ve made. You truly believe you care about the Palestinians when you call us sheep? As children are shot at demonstrations, you have the nerve to call those victims sheep?

      Shame on you. You can take your condescending attitude and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine. You and your 500 years of NATO experience, the same NATO that cooperates and trains with Israel. You are part of the problem, and until you come down to Jenin and pick up an AK shut the hell up about cowardice.

      • amigo
        December 29, 2015, 2:53 pm

        Diaspora , this Theo chappie is obviously a fool , pretending to be a Muslim .He is a zionist calling for Palestinians to commit mass suicide.

        You should ignore this jackass who claims he was in the company of Generals and other highly placed big wigs at Nato. He was probably a bartender/waiter/batman and all round mopper upper in the officers mess hall.He never said what his rank was or which branch of the forces he served in.People who are usually (by invitation ) in the company of Generals do not need to brag about it , to impress others.

        This one is an all round fake.

      • Philemon
        December 29, 2015, 11:47 pm

        “People who are usually (by invitation ) in the company of Generals do not need to brag about it , to impress others.”

        And then there are those, like Nimitz, who kept a photo of General MacArthur to remind them not to be a horse’s ass.

      • Theo
        December 30, 2015, 7:36 am

        amigo

        Thank you for your kind word, it seems you know a lot about the US military.

        First of all, why should I open my book of vita to the world, nobody does it at MW. Who are you, who is Mooser, (besides being the court jester), and who are others with cover names? Just for your information bartenders, waiters or batman, (you confuse the US military with the brits), do not drink coctails or play tennis with generals. You have to be someone who works in their proximity, can talk to them eye to eye, etc. All I tried to do is to say that I have knowledge of many things that happened during the past 50 years or so what practically noone has at MW, to do that one has to be near to the center of military power. I will not tell you my rank, however my designation was special agent in charge, go and chew on that!

        I made a mistake even mentioning my work, I never did it so openly before, because you not only make friends in your life time. I though we have intelligent people at MW, who are liberal and open minded, yet most of you react like mad dogs let lose. It seems you 15-20 hard line liberals, who regularly comment in this blog, think you have eaten the knowledge of how to correct the problems of this world with your breakfast cornflakes. Any other opinion will be crushed with brutal insults. Let me tell you something, you have absolutly no idea what it means to be a liberal, who respects other opinions. You can call your daddie a chappie, not me.

      • Mooser
        December 30, 2015, 12:14 pm

        “I made a mistake even mentioning my work, I never did it so openly before,”

        Only too true, but now that the cat is out of the bag, so to speak, we might as well get started, acquiring the staff and material needed.

        Why, this could go off better than the Bay of Pigs!

        “I though we have intelligent people at MW, who are liberal and open minded, yet most of you react like mad dogs let lose.”

        And you figure this project will get done with a bunch of nice-guy accountants or something? Start recruiting!

        “Let me tell you something, you have absolutly no idea what it means to be a liberal, who respects other opinions”

        Soldiers love that kind of talk. You have a natural tone of command, which any good man must instantly obey!

        And after all, hasn’t the world been asking “Where is the Palestinian Napoleon?”

      • amigo
        December 30, 2015, 2:40 pm

        “Who are you, who is Mooser, (besides being the court jester), and who are others with cover names? ” Theo

        How do we know “Theo” is not a cover name??.

        “Just for your information bartenders, waiters or batman, (you confuse the US military with the brits), do not drink coctails or play tennis with generals.”Theo.

        Who said they do.

        “It seems you 15-20 hard line liberals, who regularly comment in this blog, think you have eaten the knowledge of how to correct the problems of this world with your breakfast cornflakes.” Theo.

        Personally , I am a Muesli man.

        As to being a liberal , you are the one throwing that label around , I never claimed to be one.You seem to have a problem with Liberals?.

        “Let me tell you something, you have absolutly no idea what it means to be a liberal, who respects other opinions.”Theo

        Let,s clear something up for you!!.

        I respect your right to voice your opinion but reserve the right to disagree with it .Do you understand the distinction.

    • Philemon
      December 29, 2015, 8:40 pm

      What’s with “a single butterfly does not make a spring” anyway? It’s “a single swallow” dammit!

      It’s practically impossible to take someone seriously when they can’t even get a well known quotation right.

      • RoHa
        December 29, 2015, 10:01 pm

        Aristotle, Nicomahean Ethics, Book 1, Chap 7.

        “But we must add ‘in a complete life.’ For one swallow does not make a summer, nor does one day; and so too one day, or a short time, does not make a man blessed and happy.”

        https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/a/aristotle/nicomachean/complete.html

        (Ἔτι δ᾽ ἐν βίῳ τελείῳ. μία γὰρ χελιδὼν ἔαρ οὐ ποιεῖ, οὐδὲ μία ἡμέρα· οὕτω δὲ οὐδὲ μακάριον καὶ εὐδαίμονα μία ἡμέρα οὐδ᾽ ὀλίγος χρόνος.)

        But nowhere does Aristotle tell us how many swallows do make a summer.

      • Philemon
        December 29, 2015, 11:19 pm

        Well, according to Horace:

        “…For example, he is not a learned man whom only two or three regard as erudite. Likewise, there is no rioting city if only two men are engaged in a quarrel. Nor do a couple of soldiers make an army, just as a single swallow which arrives a little before it time is no sure herald of the springtime. But when a number show up at once, then they are an indication of the beginning of the season.”

        So, what you’re looking for is something out of Alfred Hitchcock’s The Birds apparently.

      • Kris
        December 30, 2015, 10:24 am

        @Philemon: “It’s practically impossible to take someone seriously when they can’t even get a well known quotation right.”

        Butterfly, swallow, honeybee–it makes no difference, the meaning is clear, isn’t it? Theo’s first language is not English, so it seems unfair to put him down over something so trivial.

        Theo is right about how ineffectual the PA is, isn’t he?

      • Mooser
        December 30, 2015, 12:29 pm

        “however my designation was special agent in charge, go and chew on that!”

        “Philemon”, be careful. He’s got a decoder ring and two-way wrist TV.

      • lysias
        December 30, 2015, 1:12 pm

        Special agent in charge is a Federal Bureau of Investigation title. Since he also seems to be suggesting he has a military rank, and his English is imperfect, I surmise that he is in some foreign (Israeli?) Investigative organization where special agent in charge is the translation of one of the higher ranks.

      • Philemon
        December 30, 2015, 10:53 pm

        @Kris: “Butterfly, swallow, honeybee–it makes no difference, the meaning is clear, isn’t it? Theo’s first language is not English, so it seems unfair to put him down over something so trivial.

        “Theo is right about how ineffectual the PA is, isn’t he?”

        Kris, to offer some constructive criticism of Theo’s misquotation does not equate to excusing the PA.

        Moreover, it was neither unfair nor unjust. If Theo really thought what he had to say was that important, he could have taken the trouble to get it right. He couldn’t be bothered. To be perfectly honest, I was just a tad worried that I was helping him too much by giving him pointers on how not to sound so ignorant.

        Furthermore, Theo, with his grandiloquent claims of knowing the military scoop from soup to nuts because he played tennis or had “coctails” with some military bigwig general or another is fair game.

        And then of course, by offering the following advice to Palestinians, he was practically asking for it:

        “They must chase all those old men, who are their so called leaders out the PA, elect new, younger ones who have balls in their throusers [sic] and who are not bought with a few silver coins, to refer to the Bible and Judas.

        “They must go to the UN, apply to all UN sections, ask for UN forces to guard the lines between Israel and the West Bank, demand the removal of all illegal settlers, file criminal charges at the ICC, in other words make so much noise that the world cannot ignore them anymore.”

        Right. Brilliant. So simple. Why on earth haven’t the Palestinians tried that? (Do I really need to put a sarcasm tag on it?)

      • echinococcus
        December 31, 2015, 1:55 am

        Philemon,

        “Right. Brilliant. So simple. Why on earth haven’t the Palestinians tried that?”
        THE Palestinians have not, for the good reason that they cannot.
        The Israeli local administration has made a big song and dance of pretending to be trying just that and calling itself the Palestinian State, no less –administrative capital Vichy, I imagine.

        “to offer some constructive criticism of Theo’s misquotation does not equate to excusing the PA”
        Correct. Excusing the PA outright does, however.

      • Philemon
        December 31, 2015, 7:18 pm

        @Echi: “Correct. Excusing the PA outright does, however.”

        Don’t think anyone around here excuses the PA. The idea that Theo seemed to suggest, that the Palestinians themselves had any faith in the PA, was laughable.

      • echinococcus
        January 1, 2016, 12:52 am

        Philemon,

        It just sounded as if you were calling “the Palestinians” the PA, i.e. the Israel Occupation administration. As many here certainly do.

    • echinococcus
      December 29, 2015, 10:43 pm

      Essentially you’re right. It’s just the feasibility. Not possible right now, not even that of shaking off the puppet administration. You’ll be called names –deservedly.

      • Mooser
        December 30, 2015, 12:31 pm

        ” Not possible right now…”

        Ah, but “Theo’s” heart is certainly in the right place. I think.

        “You can call your daddie a chappie, not me.”

        Yes, SIR!!

      • echinococcus
        December 31, 2015, 1:38 am

        Mooser,

        I don’t know about his heart or other viscera. He is just forgetting one element of the absolutely obvious, that the only way to get somewhere is a major regional upheaval allowing Palestinian resistance, at the same time as overwhelming external armed pressure, provided the genocide is not complete by then. Perhaps he imagines that the Israeli PA administration can be unseated and replaced by resistants, or something like that, so if he isn’t a crank he is a “creative” propaganda plant.

      • Philemon
        December 31, 2015, 7:49 pm

        Well, I’ve always thought the Palestinians should adopt the U.S. Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence while they’re at it. Not that it’s done the U.S. much good, but you never know.

        Of course, the mainstream Zionist news would suppress it, but lots of people get their news from alternative sources nowadays.

      • lysias
        December 31, 2015, 9:04 pm

        The declaration of independence that Ho Chi Minh wrote for Vietnam in 1945 was based on the American Declaration of Independence. Didn’t do them much good.

    • Mooser
      December 30, 2015, 12:59 pm

      “There is a mid-european proverb: “cowardly people will not have a home to call their own”!”

      Spoken like a true Zionist, sir!

      • Philemon
        December 31, 2015, 7:58 pm

        Mooser, weren’t the Zionists, for the most part, mid-european (or middle-europeans)?

  4. Citizen
    December 29, 2015, 10:49 am

    I imagine the Palestinian security force has a very limited set of powers made in Oslo, right? At night they hide so Israelis can come and do whatever they want?
    Layers of Israeli police control in occupied land: http://america.aljazeera.com/multimedia/2014/7/west-bank-security.html

    • echinococcus
      December 31, 2015, 1:42 am

      Citizen,

      It sounds as if it were worse than hiding at night. All reports indicate that at night, the occupier army is directly in charge as a result of “security coordination”. PA police is a part of the occupation army, otherwise what would be the point of having an Oslo?

  5. Theo
    December 31, 2015, 2:10 pm

    I want to thank you all for the nice words about me, it seems the buggle sounded an open season on Theo.
    In this blog I was already called an anti-semite, a zionist agent and whatever the couch-potatoes can think up, Mooser even offered a couple years ago to have my facial features rearranged.

    MW is about 10 years old, I am with you around 5, and what have you achieved during all that time with your blogs? Nothing, more and more palestinians get killed over the years, the israelis populate the West Bank, destroy palestinian houses and even communities. You are kidding yourself and all those who believe in you. The saying “the pen is more powerful than a sword” is coined by cowards who would never dare to stand up for their freedom and rights, they let others do it for them.
    Most of you are jews, so remember the 1944 Warsaw uprising of your people, who did wonderful things with very little. They rather died with a gun in their hands than to be butchered later. There are hundreds of other similar examples in the history of the mankind, one is the birth of this nation, where a ragged army of civilians beat the most powerful army of that time.

    Wish you all a great 2016, we see what did you achieve by the end of the year.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 31, 2015, 2:59 pm

      theo, i was uplifted with the news 49% polled (who identify as democrats) were in favor of sanctioning israel. i do believe information and exposure contribute to changing the masses. so while i don’t attribute all of that shift to mondoweiss, i do think we’re part of it. and while it might not register in less deaths of palestinians (now) i do think we’re making strides. i also think the exposure to lobby shenanigans, over years, facilitated in success during the congressional iran deal showdown. of course i am an optimist..

      wishing you a great 2016 too. and thanks for coming back.

      • Theo
        January 1, 2016, 1:23 pm

        Annie

        If I thought that you are just wasting my time I would not have stayed five years with MW, other blogs I drop after a short time. However, if you have a pneumonia aspirin will help a little, but you need a much better medication, and Palestina is dying.

        What surprised me is the vicious attacks of several regulars after I suggested that Palestina will never be free unless they take more dramatic steps. Believe me, many persons who are experts on such things agree with me 100%. Israel is establishing itself on palestinian land, they get full support from the US goverment and hundreds of jewish organisations, jewish billionairs spend huge amount to populate the West Bank, do you think that you can face up to that huge force with a few blogs? I have serious doubts.

        During 1958-1959 I worked in Boston for the John Kennedy candidacy, I believed in the democratic party. Today I don´t trust any of them and hope Hillary will not get elected, that would ruin our country as she is a fully bought zionist agent.
        What we need is a french type of revolution to make a lot of people a head shorter, blood is a very good cleaning agent. You people should remember, you cannot make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 1, 2016, 2:22 pm

        do you think that you can face up to that huge force with a few blogs?

        that’s a strawman rhetorical ploy. this is not “a few blogs” > > > http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/worldwide-protest-israeli
        it is a worldwide movement.

        What surprised me is the vicious attacks of several regulars after I suggested that Palestina will never be free unless they take more dramatic steps.

        perhaps you should review your comments. sentiments like The palestinians behave like a bunch of sheep set a tone that’s hard to stomach. as does you need a much better medication …. You people should remember

        we’re just a bunch of old fogies theo and the french revolution is so last last century. the people will keep rising up but it’s not our place to tell them how. try listening to the youth, you don’t seen qualified to lead the way.

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