Cut the Gordian Knot — a response to Ban Ki-moon’s landmark speech

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I had a dream that I woke up and found out Ban Ki-moon had resigned from his duties as U.N. Secretary-General this morning. No one pressured him to do it; but he had said what needed to be said the day before at the U.N. Security Council meeting about the situation in the Middle East, primarily addressing Palestine and Israel in blatant terms.  He spoke the words everyone knew to be true and there was nothing more for him to say in his capacity (in my dream).

Yesterday, the news of his speech was immediately picked up by Reuters, the Jerusalem Post and Haaretz. The Guardian followed shortly thereafter. But predictably, the US media ignored the news that the UN chief had said Israeli settlements were “provocative acts”, that it was “human nature” to react to occupation (which serves as a “potent incubator of hate and extremism”) and Palestinian frustration was “growing under the weight of a half century of occupation”. It was a bold statement but nothing we don’t already know. An “indisputable truth,” as Ban said.

Ban Ki-moon

Ban Ki-moon

However, the vast majority of coverage appeared after Netanyahu’s predictable, rehashed, worn out and hyperbolic response; and they led with that response: Netanyahu said Ban’s words “give a tail wind to terrorism.” Reuter’s lede, that Ban Ki-moon “slammed Israel’s settlement activities” was quickly overshadowed by CNN’s “The Israeli Prime Minister .. slammed the U.N. secretary general“.

Just a bunch of slamming back and forth. Which brings me back to my dream. What comes of Ban’s words if the UN doesn’t ever take a stand? “The weight of a half century of occupation” rests on the non action of the global community. What power does the UN have? And what power does Ban have? None. So this is why he resigned, to leave those words as his final words — in my dream.

I recently read a hysterical headline in Haaretz, “Senior IDF Officers Visit Palestinian Terrorists in Jail in Effort to Understand Their Motives“.  The Israeli military’s central command wanted to understand the goals of the young people to understand the background behind their actions! What possible confusion could anyone have regarding Palestinian motive? As if anyone anywhere — any people — would not resist a brutal occupation and the theft of their land?  It’s simply human nature.

Someone needs to slice through the proverbial Gordian Knot. Not stare at it in front of the shrine for decades, thinking it is destiny, unsolvable, some tourist destination chained intractably to the region.  Ban lamented the “polarized public discourse across the spectrum in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory.” Why is that? Why do people buy into this false narrative that the very act of resistance, which is human nature, is at the root of incitement instead of the oppression bearing down on a people? It’s madness; they are not really a people, Palestine never existed, they have an irrational hatred of Jews, it’s all so complicated! It’s not complicated — let’s send in the military command and ask the prisoners why they resist? We have to get off this fantastical treadmill of imagining why Palestinians do what they do. We all know already and the act of knowing and speaking the truth is not incitement.

Cut the knot. The U.N. needs to take action. Ban’s term as Secretary-General ends December 31, 2016, days before Obama steps down. The EU is fed up. Make the year worth something.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon’s remarks to the Security Council on the Situation in the Middle East :

Sadly, 2016 has begun much like 2015 ended – with unacceptable levels of violence and a polarized public discourse across the spectrum in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory.

Stabbings, vehicle attacks, and shootings by Palestinians targeting Israeli civilians – all of which I condemn —  and clashes between Palestinians and Israeli security forces, have continued to claim lives.

But security measures alone will not stop the violence.  They cannot address the profound sense of alienation and despair driving some Palestinians – especially young people.

The full force of the law must be brought to bear on all those committing crimes – with a system of justice applied equally for Israelis and Palestinians alike.

Palestinian frustration is growing under the weight of a half century of occupation and the paralysis of the peace process.

Some have taken me to task for pointing out this indisputable truth.

Yet, as oppressed peoples have demonstrated throughout the ages, it is human nature to react to occupation, which often serves as a potent incubator of hate and extremism.

So-called facts on the ground in the occupied West Bank are steadily chipping away the viability of a Palestinian state and the ability of Palestinian people to live in dignity.

In an effort to overcome the political impasse, Quartet Envoys met Israeli and Palestinian officials on 17 December last year.

They reiterated the urgent need for significant steps, in line with previous agreements, to strengthen Palestinian institutions, security and economic prospects while addressing Israel’s security concerns.

Changing Israeli policies is central to advancing this goal, particularly in Israeli-controlled Area C, which comprises 61 percent of West Bank territory and is home to some 300,000 Palestinians.

Approvals of master plans for Palestinian sectors of Area C would allow for much needed growth in these areas and prevent demolitions.

Progress towards peace requires a freeze of Israel’s settlement enterprise.

Continued settlement activities are an affront to the Palestinian people and to the international community.  They rightly raise fundamental questions about Israel’s commitment to a two-state solution.

I am deeply troubled by reports today that the Israeli Government has approved plans for over 150 new homes in illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank.

This is combined with its announcement last week declaring 370 acres in the West Bank, south of Jericho, as so-called “state land”.  These provocative acts are bound to increase the growth of settler populations, further heighten tensions and undermine any prospects for a political road ahead.

I urge the Israeli Government not to use a recent decision by the Israeli High Court affirming a large tract of land south of Bethlehem as state land to advance settlement activities.

The demolitions of Palestinian homes in Area C of the occupied West Bank continue.  So do the decades-long difficulties of Palestinians to obtain building permits.

The Bedouin community, in particular, is paying a heavy price.  I reiterate the UN’s call for an immediate end to Israeli plans to forcibly transfer Bedouin communities currently living within the occupied Palestinian territory in the Jerusalem area.

At the same time, the humanitarian situation in Gaza remains perilous.

Eighteen months after the end of hostilities, conditions have not significantly improved. I condemn the continuing rocket fire into Israel from militant groups in Gaza.

Chronic security and governance challenges and funding shortages have slowed the pace of reconstruction.  Much work remains to be done.  Meanwhile, the people of Gaza face dire unemployment, water and electricity needs.

Meeting these concerns must be a top priority.  However none of this can be accomplished without critical support from donors, the fulfilment of pledges from the Cairo Conference, as well as the full return of the Palestinian Authority to Gaza.

I continue to strongly believe that conditions in Gaza pose a severe threat to long-term peace and security in the region.

Palestinians must also demonstrate commitment to addressing the divisions among Palestinians themselves.

I strongly urge the Palestinian factions to advance genuine Palestinian unity on the basis of democracy and the PLO principles.

Reconciliation is critical in order to reunite the West Bank and Gaza under a single legitimate Palestinian authority.

Healing Palestinian divisions is also critical so that Palestinians can instead focus their energies on establishing a stable state as part of a negotiated two-state solution.

Genuine unity will also improve the Palestinian Government’s ability to meet pressing economic problems, which are adding to the frustration and anger driving Palestinian violence.

The international community also has a responsibility – not least by responding generously to UNRWA’s recent emergency appeal of over $400 million to support vulnerable Palestinians.

And as we continue to uphold the right of Palestinians to self-determination, let us be equally firm that incitement has no place, and that questioning the right of Israel to exist cannot be tolerated.

…….

Some may say the current volatility across the region makes it too risky to seek peace.  I say the greater peril is not seeking a solution to the Palestinian question.

Some say the two sides are entrenched in their respective positions.  I say that we must not succumb to passivity, resignation or hopelessness that a comprehensive resolution of the conflict is not achievable.

A lasting agreement will require difficult compromises by both the Israeli and Palestinian leaders.

Yes — but what are the alternatives?

The continuing deadly wave of terror attacks and killings?

The possible financial collapse of the Palestinian Government?

Ever greater isolation of the Israeli Government?

A further deterioration of humanitarian conditions in Gaza and the agonizing build-up to another terrible war?

A hollowing of the moral foundation of both Israeli and Palestinian societies alike, a creeping moral blindness that ignores the suffering – and indeed the humanity — of one’s neighbour?

More unilateral acts by each side, intentionally designed to pre-empt negotiations and provoke the other side?

The parties must act – and act now — to prevent the two-state solution from slipping away forever.

[Upholding] and implementing this vision – two states living side-by-side in peace and security – offers the only means by which Israel could retain both its Jewish majority and democratic status.

As the wider Middle East continues to be gripped by a relentless wave of extremist terror, Israelis and Palestinians have an opportunity to restore hope to a region torn apart by intolerance and cruelty.  I urge them to accept this historic challenge in the mutual interest of peace.

The support of regional partners in this pursuit is essential. The Arab Peace Initiative provides a valuable basis for broader support.

And finally, the whole international community must be ever more committed to actively help Palestinians and Israelis to rebuild trust and achieve an enduring peace before it is too late.

About Annie Robbins

Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani

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  1. Ramzi Jaber
    January 27, 2016, 11:56 am

    Thanks for this Annie.

    Sadly, nothing will happen from USA or EU. Imagine, it took the EU years to deliberate labeling the products from the illegal colonies, then came out with a flimsy statement that was accompanied with a deluge of apologies and explanations that the EU is doing his to safe israel, the democratic and jewish state.

    Sadly, Palestinians are realizing that land stolen by force can only be gained back by force.

    • Annie Robbins
      January 27, 2016, 12:17 pm

      yes i know ramzi. that’s why ban resigned in my dream. because nothing will come of any of it. the UN is worthless if they don’t do anything. inevitably it just provides a platform for netanyahu’s response. just more crap to add to the knot.

    • italian ex-pat
      January 27, 2016, 6:54 pm

      I think it’s pretty obvious by now that the US are never going to cut that knot. If Obama, who clearly is no big fan of Netanyahu, has already started ‘making nice’ with Israel again, after all the contempt heaped on him personally, we are looking at a total loss of any hope for the Palestinians. Whover the next Prez will be, it’s only going to get worse for them.

      In the NYT times today, an op-ed by someone named Eylal Press mentions a proposed extension of the anti-boycott laws regarding Israeli products, to include products made in the ‘occupied territories’ as well. In other words – if I understand it correctly – not only is it illegal for US corporations, un-incorporeted companies and individuals to join a foreign country’s boycott of products manifacured in Israel proper, but of products manifacured in the settlements as well. Sounds like a recognition of the legitimacy of the settlements to me, in spite of all the official WH’s statements to the contrary. This resolution (included in the ‘Customs Bill) has already passed the House and is expected to pass the Senate.
      I’m afraid all of Ban Ki-moon’s hand-wringing doesn’t amount to anything other than the usual worthless condemnations. I, for one, am getting sick and tired of them, and I can only imagine how the Palestinians must be feeling.

      And as icing on the cake, Mr. Obama will make a personal appearance today at the Israeli embassy to celebrate ‘Holocaust Remembrance Day” – another indication of thawing relations between the two countries. Excuse my probably in-bad-taste sarcasm, but I thought every day was ‘Holocaust Remembrance Day”. I mean, how can we possibly be allowed to forget, even for one moment?

    • brent
      January 28, 2016, 1:58 pm

      Ramzi, It saddens me to read your take here. You are saying, Palestinians can achieve justice by force? I see this analysis as a great injustice to the youth in Palestine who seem to be in a fish bowl, floundering without perspective. Acting from the heart, not the head.

      Neither stones or rockets are likely to bring peace or justice to Palestine…. only dig the hole deeper. What has worked elsewhere? Campaigns for EQUALITY.

      Agitating for one state with equality for all or independence through two states, is the most direct route, perhaps the only route, to achieving a measure of justice. Such a campaign could eventually undercut the victim/security arguments, provide the American’s a path toward assertiveness and incentivizes patriotic Israelis to restrain their extremists.

      Annie pointed out that the US media chose to ignore/denigrate the UN. This long pattern of keeping Americans poorly informed, therefore misinformed, is the primary reason activists cannot get the ear of their political leaders. That the Newshour has such a poor record should inform us as to where a big problem resides. With public broadcasting’s dependence on contributions, therefore reputation, activists have a prime opportunity to better inform America. Mainstream media judges itself by the work of public broadcasting.

      • gamal
        January 28, 2016, 7:18 pm

        “Ramzi, It saddens me to read your take here” Brent

        “Sadly, Palestinians are realizing that land stolen by force can only be gained back by force.” Ramzi

        You may have been affected by Ramzi’s sadness, but still feel free to condescend, here comes the tired lecture.

        “You are saying, Palestinians can achieve justice by force?” did he? just in case please continue

        “I see this analysis as a great injustice to the youth in Palestine who seem to be in a fish bowl, floundering without perspective. Acting from the heart, not the head.”

        does this require comment? there they are, all riled up on the ground in actual situ you dont think they think about their situation? being on the ground in the middle of the occupation is to have “no perspective” you really think that’s likely? I have 15-25 year old cousins in Egypt who i can assure you have their hearts locked into their rational minds, they teach me shit every week.

        “Agitating for one state with equality for all or independence through two states, is the most direct route, perhaps the only route, to achieving a measure of justice.”

        bless! you’re negotiating now “measure of justice”, you have to laugh.

        “Such a campaign could eventually undercut the victim/security arguments” could you explain?

        “provide the American’s a path toward assertiveness and incentivizes patriotic Israelis to restrain their extremists. ”

        ok now that you put it like that all i can think of are the words of Ramzi Jabber

        “Sadly, Palestinians are realizing that land stolen by force can only be gained back by force.”

        I do not understand your final paragraph at all,

        But I was kind of born into and self selected a few political, anti-colonial, anti-capitalist struggles and associations, Buddhist, Muslim, Radical, Criminal, in key roles, I wont elaborate my point such as it is is this,

        everything I have ever been involved in, in this context, has not only failed the associations personal etc disintegrated in appalling acts of betrayal up to and including fatal incidents, sting operations in co-operation with authorities leading to life destroying prison terms etc, etc,

        I have lived mostly in the west a right bearing citizen, if I for a moment assume leadership of the benighted Palestinians from my wealth of experience I would have to raise my palms to the sky, shrug, i havent a clue what they should do? fortunately i am not in a leadership position.

        “Sadly, Palestinians are realizing that land stolen by force can only be gained back by force.”

        young people are brave i am old and scared for everybody,

        So if you have laboured through my nonsense so as not to completely waste your time i have a link to Smadar Lavie’s “The Poetics of Military Occupation: Mzeina Allegories of identity Under Israeli and Egyptian rule” it changed my life and is an unparalleled classic, I met her twice in small gatherings where she talked and was so star struck and inspired by her talks that I was Semitic with out pause for a whole month, if I were to make an idol out of dates it would be of her, Bryan, you can read for free, for others page 21 at least, its the seventies. (its also friday here)

        https://books.google.ie/books?id=2BnfulK_EdMC&q=majnun#v=onepage&q=majnun&f=false

  2. HarryLaw
    January 27, 2016, 12:45 pm

    The UN is only the sum of all its members, unfortunately some members are more equal than others, i.e, the five veto wielding powers, one of which, the US, consistently supports Israel no matter how many crimes Israel commits. I agree with Dr David Morrison [SADAKA] Ireland in this excellent article http://www.sadaka.ie/Articles/Briefings/BRIEFING-Two-state-solution-dead-without-sanctions-against-Israel.pdf “Without sanctions against Israel, the “two state solution” is dead unless serious and sustained economic sanctions are applied to Israel by the international community to force it to withdraw from the Occupied Palestinian Territories so that a Palestinian state can be established. It is a fantasy to believe that Israel can be persuaded to withdraw from these territories it occupies by negotiations alone, as the EU (and the Irish Government) appear to believe”.
    The European Union is in a unique position to sanction Israel, being its biggest trading partner, and with Israel manifestly not complying with the Human rights terms of the Israel-European Union Association Agreement, the EU should act now instead of forever offering incentives for continuing bad behavior.

  3. WH
    January 27, 2016, 3:36 pm

    The tiny bit of respect I had left for the UN vanished when they let the abominable Saudis preside over the UNHRC.

  4. pabelmont
    January 27, 2016, 6:21 pm

    “What possible confusion could anyone have regarding Palestinian motive? As if anyone anywhere — any people — would not resist a brutal occupation and the theft of their land? It’s simply human nature.”

    Well, either Mr. IDF was just kidding or playing to the Israeli audience, or else he’d bought into the Zionist narrative to the point that he was genuinely perplexed, as who would say — what, they don’t love us? we, after all, who conduct out (brutal occupation) kindly administration more gently than any Arab country conduct’s its normal governance?

    I wonder what they told him!

  5. kalithea
    January 27, 2016, 6:26 pm

    If we look to myth in history, the unravelling of Gordian’s Knot calls for a leader who is graced by the gods.

    But in the absence of such a leader; I believe that the answer lies in the rule of law, because men are selfish by nature. Therefore there is a necessity for the rule of law. When the rule of law is not applied equally; when some think they are above the law, and others are not protected equally under law, then you have the excuse for Gordian’s Knot.

    No one should be inferior or superior in the eyes of the law. This results in a fatal lack of trust. Gordian’s Knot is bred in this fatal lack of trust where there is imbalance in the application of the law. What’s needed to solve the conflict – restore the rule of law and equal adherence to the law and it starts with returning to legally-recognized ownership of land.

    And Zionists have no right to say: I’ll return this to you if you guarantee us this. They must return what they stole regardless to re-establish trust, balance and equality under law, period. Then all parties must adhere to the rule of law from that point forward.

    Zionism however is contrary to rule of law principles where fictitious Jewish entitlement is concerned and therein lies a huge part of the problem. Such superiority has no place under law. This zealotry will always be a source of conflict. Zionism cannot exist with the rule of law; there is no equality under Zionism. The end of Zionism will be the beginning of peace.

    • Annie Robbins
      January 27, 2016, 7:41 pm

      yes i agree. it is the rule of law, they just have to be applied. the laws are there.

    • DaBakr
      January 28, 2016, 5:17 pm

      @k

      “it starts with returning to legally-recognized ownership of land.” there is no an never has been any “legally recognized ownership of the land”. there is what much of the world ‘perceives’ which is one thing and what some in the world “consider” which is another thing but neither have any weight of law beneath them. this matter has yet to be decided when the two parties finally agree to negotiate directly.

  6. Elisabeth
    January 27, 2016, 6:36 pm

    I loved the ‘terror dolls’ Danny Danon used to attack Ban Ki-moon.

    Or rather terror dildo’s as Finkelstein calls them:
    http://normanfinkelstein.com/2016/01/27/israeli-un-ambassador-displays-terror-dildos-used-to-target-israeli-civilians/

    Mind you, these dolls do not carry knives or bombs, just stones, same as the South African youth used in the townships.

    The Israeli’s are gettin crazier and crazier. Remember the silent staring gimmick Netanyahu used a while ago?

  7. Kathleen
    January 27, 2016, 8:34 pm

    Why Israel’s Netanyahu has no standing to accuse UN Sec. Ban of inciting Terrorism

    http://www.juancole.com/2016/01/why-israels-netanyahu-has-standing-to-accuse-un-sec-ban-of-inciting-terrorism.html

    By Juan Cole | (Informed Comment) | – –

    UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon spoke out this week in an address to the UN Security Council against Israel’s policy of stealing Palestinian land in the West Bank (allotted to Palestinians in the 1947 UN General Assembly partition plan that Israelis celebrate so fiercely), and of building ever more squatter homes in occupied Palestine. Ban went on to say that it is natural for Palestinians to resist this assault on their basic human rights. That is, Ban described the Palestinians as wronged and as rational actors:

    “Palestinian frustration is growing under the weight of a half century of occupation and the paralysis of the peace process.

    Some have taken me to task for pointing out this indisputable truth.

    Yet, as oppressed peoples have demonstrated throughout the ages, it is human nature to react to occupation, which often serves as a potent incubator of hate and extremism.

    So-called facts on the ground in the occupied West Bank are steadily chipping away the viability of a Palestinian state and the ability of Palestinian people to live in dignity.”

    • Kay24
      January 27, 2016, 9:17 pm

      Ban Ki-Moon speaking out like that was bold (I am sure he knew what the zionist response would be), and it is about time someone did, however, now that the big Nut has accused him of encouraging terrorism, it would help to not back down meekly as usual, and allow the zionists to get away once again. It was a good thing that Ban Ki-Moon responded to Nutty by saying he will speak out. Time someone with a spine stood up to the lunatic from Israel.

      Nutty’s words:

      “The Palestinian murderers do not want to build a state. They want to destroy a state, and they say this openly. ”

      No one should be surprised that after decades of oppression, illegal settlements, precision bombs into civilian structures, victims of Israel’s occupation feel that way? They are simply reacting to the Israeli murderers, that is all.

      As for saying things “openly” didn’t Israel’s great leaders and citizens want Gaza bombed to the stone age, sat on hilltops and picnics while Gaza was bombed, and wanted Palestinians put into concentration camps?

      It is also obvious that Nutty did not have the spine to address the stolen lands and the continued building of illegal settlements, that is detriment to any kind of peace over there. Strange the zionists, whether leaders or hasbarats never address illegal land grabs and settlements.

      Nutty is full of bluster, and trying to silence the truth. Zio bull.

      • Kathleen
        January 27, 2016, 9:30 pm

        Juan Cole comes out and flat out calls Netanyahu a liar…a professional liar. He is a master at flipping the script. Gets away with it.

        Israel is sure turning up the theft of land during a U.S. election year.

      • Kay24
        January 27, 2016, 10:24 pm

        Juan Cole joins many, including Sarkozy, who calls him a liar. But that does not stop him now, does it? The occupation goes on, the building of illegal settlements goes on, regardless, and so does the zio bull poop.

        Who will stop these endless crimes, and tell the zionists to go jump in the Dead sea? Certainly not the nation that gives them the most charity.

  8. Mayhem
    January 27, 2016, 9:44 pm

    Ban Ki-Moon actually admits that the UN is biased against Israel.
    Furthermore his remark that its human nature to react to occupation fails to appreciate that it is not human nature to stab people willy-nilly to death. It is not a human reaction to kill indiscriminately. The Jews under the yoke of the Nazi regime didn’t wander in the streets seeking out innocent civilians to slaughter.
    What we are hearing is the constant bleating of excuses for the ‘poor’ Palestinians (a manifestation of the under-dog principle that ignores all the facts in deference to an obsessive political judeophobic agenda). The Palestinian people need to stop making excuses and take responsibility for their actions, for those who murder and perpetuate violence and for the Fatah, Hamas and other leaders who incite them.

    • Annie Robbins
      January 27, 2016, 10:20 pm

      first of all ban did not admit that the UN is biased against Israel. here is what he said:

      There is some bias against Israel, [the] Israeli people, and government. Israel is a member of the United Nations. Thus, Israel must be respected equally with all other 192 member states. Israel is 193. Israel should have for all equal rights [sic], equal representation – that is a firm principle of the UN.

      this statement does not confirm, nor admit “the UN” is biased against Israel.

      that is a hyperbolic interpretation. furthermore, no one is stabbing anyone “willy-nilly to death”.

      The Jews under the yoke of the Nazi regime didn’t wander in the streets seeking out innocent civilians to slaughter.

      it’s not comparable. the jews were not suffering under a brutal occupation for 1/2 a century. there’s no telling what ‘jews’ might have done had they been oppressed continually for that many years. none. what. so. ever. furthermore, jews slaughter innocent civilians in the hundreds every time they mow the grass. they pull up lawn chairs to watch it too. are you somehow suggesting that ‘wandering in the streets’ vs being safe above in an bomber or in some guard tower picking off children is somehow more humane? jews slaughter children playing soccer. and foraging for scrap metal. and much less. jews slaughter children going to school. or sleeping in their bed at night. the amount of innocent civilains slaughter by jews in this conflict way outnumbers victims of palestinians.

      What we are hearing is the constant bleating of excuses for the ‘poor’ Palestinians

      quite the contrary, we are hearing the constant bleatings of the oppressors claiming to be the victims.

      ‘The Jewish people’ (to coin your phrase, however i know all jewish people are not excusers) need to stop making excuses and take responsibility for their genocidal actions, for those who murder and perpetuate violence whether for Zionism, the Torah, Likud and other leaders are the inciters. and everyone knows it too.

      massive #Fail mayhem. and go peddle your garbage elsewhere as far as i am concerned.

      • Mayhem
        January 27, 2016, 11:15 pm

        Ban Ki-Moon said “There is some bias against Israel” and Robbins claims he did not admit that the UN is biased against Israel. Whoa!
        The Palestinians started way back in the early 20th century with indiscriminate attacks on Jews . As the article states as far as Arabs attacking Jews indiscriminately we bear witness to over 100 years of excuses. So Annie this is nothing new and so there can be no special justification for what is happening now.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 28, 2016, 3:35 am

        nope, no “special justification” at all. nor did i say there was.

      • Mayhem
        January 28, 2016, 7:09 am

        @Annie, I find it often pointless to say things at MW because whatever one says it will be twisted and distorted. I made the observation that the kind of attacks that are going on now are nothing new. They have been the modus operandi of the Muslim judeophobes for over a century. Therefore there is no special justification needed for Arabs to kill Jews in cold blood today. To say that “suffering under a brutal occupation for 1/2 a century” is suddenly the basis for murdering innocent women and children is ignoring the huge historical precedent for this kind of immoral, criminal behavior.

      • Talkback
        January 28, 2016, 9:02 am

        Mayhem: “The Palestinians started way back in the early 20th century with indiscriminate attacks on Jews.”.

        Quite interesting that Palestinians attack on Jews started with San Remo where the Zionists relevealed their aim to takeover Palestine. But here’s a question for you:

        Why did Jews immigrate to Palestine, if it was that hostile?

    • Mooser
      January 27, 2016, 10:33 pm

      “ignores all the facts in deference to an obsessive political judeophobic agenda”

      Yeah, the Palestinians came from all around the world to oppress the Jews. Yeah, yeah.

    • Kay24
      January 27, 2016, 10:48 pm

      “that it is not human nature to stab people willy-nilly to death. It is not a human reaction to kill indiscriminately.”

      I am sure there are some who might argue that you have a higher chance surviving a stabbing attack, rather than a precision bomb being sent “indiscriminately” into heavily populated areas.
      Now that is defintely not a human reaction. In fact it is inhumane.

      AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL:

      “Israeli forces have killed scores of Palestinian civilians in attacks targeting houses full of families which in some cases have amounted to war crimes, Amnesty International has disclosed in a new report on the latest Israeli operation in the Gaza Strip.

      Families under the Rubble: Israeli attacks on inhabited homes details eight cases where residential family homes in Gaza were attacked by Israeli forces without warning during Operation Protective Edge in July and August 2014, causing the deaths of at least 104 civilians including 62 children. The report reveals a pattern of frequent Israeli attacks using large aerial bombs to level civilian homes, sometimes killing entire families.

      “Israeli forces have brazenly flouted the laws of war by carrying out a series of attacks on civilian homes, displaying callous indifference to the carnage caused,” said Philip Luther, Director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme at Amnesty International.

      “The report exposes a pattern of attacks on civilian homes by Israeli forces which have shown a shocking disregard for the lives of Palestinian civilians, who were given no warning and had no chance to flee.”

      The report contains numerous accounts from survivors who describe the horror of frantically digging through the rubble and dust of their destroyed homes in search of the bodies of children and loved ones.”

      That was not nilly willy either. It seems the number of known UN shelters bombed is proof of that. Israeli murderers at work. It is unbelievable that some who keep supporting Israel’s crimes even imply that the Palestinians do not have a right to retaliate in any way they can, after all that.

    • Marnie
      January 28, 2016, 12:09 am

      Mayhem – I think Palestinians are demonstrating incredible restraint. The IOF and israeli police have not. The stabbings/attempted stabbings/no stabbings have occurred in occupied territories; hardly the “willy-nilly” scenario you’re lying about. You forget that Palestinians have been routinely executed by police and IOF for simply being Palestinian, or at the behest of heckling Jews screaming just SHOOT him! I believe that well over 150 Palestinians have been summarily executed since Oct/Nov and Jewish victims under 30. Neither number is acceptable. But seriously, the only real incitement to Palestinian violence is the actions of the zionist state. It’s time for all of you to quit attempting to shift the responsibility onto the people who’ve been dying, displaced and continue to do so for at least 70 years at the hands of the state of israel. What more incitement is needed? What is it that you don’t get?

      • Marnie
        January 28, 2016, 12:27 am

        The short version of what I said:

        The only “incitement” is provided, in some cases willy-nilly, and in most cases coldly and systematically by the state of israel. To continue to act as though one has absolutely nothing to do with the other is the most extreme denial imaginable or the behavior or psychopaths.

      • Mayhem
        January 28, 2016, 7:41 am

        The stabbings/attempted stabbings/no stabbings have occurred in occupied territories

        Marnie, have you conveniently forgotten about the two Israelis who were stabbed to death by a Palestinian man at the entrance of a shop that serves as a synagogue in the city of Tel Aviv? And the New Year’s Day Tel Aviv shooting? The fatal attack just outside the Jaffa gate into the Old City? All in Israel proper.
        In any case the dispossessed Palestinians live on the West Bank so it is pretty damn obvious that most of the attacks would happen there. And these attackers have not learned the lesson of the 1st and 2nd intifadas that such senseless violence against Israelis will not intimidate them , it will only harden Israeli attitudes against the Palestinian cause and erode world opinion if and when the media bias that belies the true situation is exposed.
        Marnie, are you moral standards so askew and delusory that you would excuse the grievances of somebody who had grown up in your own community suffering through their particular social circumstances and claimed they were justified when they decided to go out and stab anybody they met in the street because they happen to feel bad about themselves?
        No, in every other country that would be instantly deemed a criminal act. But with the double standards of which you and your fellow protaganists have become renown that is how you speak.

      • Marnie
        January 28, 2016, 10:41 am

        I haven’t forgotten anything Mayhem. Apparently you can’t read my posts either. It isn’t going to be all neat and tidy and within certain parameters. More than 1800 Palestinians have been injured, over 150 killed and 30Jews killed, since October. Israelis, the 80% that aren’t Palestinian, can afford to have “hard” attitudes because they’ve got the US backing up everything they do, no questions asked. If the playing field was level; however, I think we’d already have one state, one people, and equal rights for all.

        I don’t give a damn about zionists. I’m sick of the very obvious racism among them, the racism and hatred that declares the life of a Jew trumps the life of non-Jews. Your moral standards are in question here, not mine.

        Don’t lump everyone together here either Mayhem. I speak for myself and no one else.

    • talknic
      January 28, 2016, 12:26 am

      @ Mayhem
      “Ban Ki-Moon actually admits that the UN is biased against Israel”

      Quote him … I’ll wait

      In fact the UN has never once resolved that there be any actions against Israel despite the hundreds of UNSC resolution reminding Israel of the breaches of binding Law and the UN Charter reaffirmed and emphasized in those resolution. No state has ever been treated so leniently

      “Furthermore his remark that its human nature to react to occupation fails to appreciate that it is not human nature to stab people willy-nilly to death”

      It is actually human nature and very highly likely that some people might break after having spent their entire lifetimes in a state of dispossession and occupation

      “It is not a human reaction to kill indiscriminately”

      The IDF does it regularly

      “The Jews under the yoke of the Nazi regime didn’t wander in the streets seeking out innocent civilians to slaughter”

      So why do they now against non-Jews in Israel and in Israeli Occupied Palestine?

      “What we are hearing is the constant bleating of excuses for the ‘poor’ Palestinians (a manifestation of the under-dog principle that ignores all the facts in deference to an obsessive political judeophobic agenda)”

      Your statement conveniently ignores 67years of dispossessing non-Jews, territorial theft by Zionist scum

      “The Palestinian people need to stop making excuses”

      They didn’t ask to be colonized, dispossessed you stupid person

    • eljay
      January 28, 2016, 6:51 am

      || Mayhem: Ban Ki-Moon actually admits that the UN is biased against Israel. … ||

      He admits that there is some bias against Israel because of the I-P conflict. No shit: Israel has been stealing, occupying and colonizing Palestinian land and oppressing, torturing and killing Palestinians for almost 70 years and with impunity.

      I like how you omitted the part where he says “Israel should have for all equal rights [sic], equal representation – that is a firm principle of the UN.”

      But none of what he said either:
      – justifies Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine; or
      – absolves Israel of its past and on-going (war) crimes or its obligations under international law (including RoR of refugees).

      • Mayhem
        January 28, 2016, 7:58 am

        The world is starting to talk about the folly of the Sykes-Picot agreement that divided up the Ottoman empire and eventually saw the establishment of Palestine as a British mandate at San Remo in 1920. If Syria and Iraq’s borders need to be completely renegotiated (as many are now suggesting), it is perhaps opportune to revisit the original mandate and restore what was originally mooted to be offered to the Jews. Then we might avoid the further likelihood of another failed Arab state (the touted state of Palestine) descending into mayhem, which would happen in all probability given the bellicose pronouncements that regularly emanate from Hamas and the dysfunctional corruption endemic to the PA.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 28, 2016, 12:35 pm

        the world is starting to talk? ‘the world’ already knows the neocons want to change the map in the middle east. it was posted on the airforce website and the start of the iraq war by warmonger ralph peters. don’t think this has anything to do with what ‘the world’ wants or thinks up.

        it is perhaps opportune to revisit the original mandate and restore what was originally mooted to be offered to the Jews. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/cut-the-gordian-knot-a-response-to-ban-ki-moons-landmark-speech/comment-page-1#comment-822005

        seriously, you crack me up. you just want irseael to annex the west bank, legally. not going to happen.

      • eljay
        January 28, 2016, 3:56 pm

        || Mayhem: … If Syria and Iraq’s borders need to be completely renegotiated (as many are now suggesting), it is perhaps opportune to revisit the original mandate and restore what was originally mooted to be offered to the Jews. … ||

        “The Jews” were never entitled to anything, so there’s nothing to “restore” to “the Jews”.

      • talknic
        January 28, 2016, 7:26 pm

        @ Mayhem “The world is starting to talk about the folly of the Sykes-Picot agreement that divided up the Ottoman empire and eventually saw the establishment of Palestine as a British mandate at San Remo in 1920”

        A) That’d be the agreement the Zionist Federation accepted
        B) The LoN Mandate for Palestine was only administered by the British

        ” If Syria and Iraq’s borders need to be completely renegotiated (as many are now suggesting), it is perhaps opportune to revisit the original mandate and restore what was originally mooted to be offered to the Jews”

        Oh? OK! That’d be Palestinian citizenship! Read Article 7 Lon Mandate for Palestine http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp#art7

        If you’re not an idiot or a paid propagandist, why do you continue to post complete bullsh*t?

      • Mooser
        January 29, 2016, 1:05 pm

        “If you’re not an idiot or a paid propagandist, why do you continue to post complete bullsh*t?”

        It may seem counter-intuitive, but I more and more feel that what “MaxNarr” and “Mayhem” is a way (or so they think) of abdicating responsibility.

      • oldgeezer
        January 29, 2016, 1:19 pm

        @Mayhem

        The concept of revisiting Sykes Picot is being pushed by the usual venal zionists and cohorts. Balkanization of the middle east is their ultimate goal as documented in both the yinon plan and the pnac agenda.

        There is no life, or nation, that zionists won’t destroy in order to protect, and further, their criminal agenda. Extremely immoral people.

    • Qualtrough
      January 28, 2016, 9:33 am

      @ Mayhem – Given the right circumstances Jews, like any other people, are fully capable of behaving abominably. I will skip the myriad examples furnished by Israel and go back to the WW II era you mention for just one such example. Note that Israel refused to extradite this lovely man and he died after a long life in Tel Aviv:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel

      It is interesting to learn that Israel used the statute of limitations excuse for not extraditing him. Perhaps Double Standard could enlighten us as that seems to be his specialty?

    • eljay
      January 28, 2016, 10:35 am

      || Mayhem: … What we are hearing is the constant bleating of excuses for the ‘poor’ Palestinians … The Palestinian people need to stop making excuses and take responsibility for their actions, for those who murder and perpetuate violence and for the Fatah, Hamas and other leaders who incite them. ||

      We hear a lot of constant bleating for the ‘poor’ Jews who suffered this and that and therefore are entitled to engage in ethnic cleansing, terrorism, oppression, assassination, occupation, colonization and supremacism in a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine.

      When are the Jewish people going to stop making excuses and take responsibility for their actions, for those who murder and perpetuate violence and colonialism and Jewish supremacism and for all of the Zio-supremacists within Israel and elsewhere who incite them?

      Justice, accountability and equality, universally and consistently applied.

    • MaxNarr
      January 28, 2016, 11:06 am

      Mayhem is completely right. Remember, under international law, the entire of Palestine is Jewish land, read up on UN charter article 80. Nobody wants another failed Palestinian state. Jordan=Palestine. Deal with it.

      In the meantime the right solution will be for the Jewish people to continue to massively settle all parts of Palestine, North, South, East and West as you have seen. I expect the pace to increase rapidly over the next few years and the establishment of a “Palestinian” state will be impossible for all intents and purposes. Only then can we talk about a true and lasting peace, based on justice for all.

      • eljay
        January 28, 2016, 11:42 am

        || MaxNarr: … the entire of Palestine is Jewish land … ||

        Partition-borders Israel is Israeli land. Partition-borders Palestine is Palestinian land. There is no “Jewish land”.

        || … In the meantime the right solution will be for the Jewish people to continue to massively settle all parts of Palestine … ||

        No, that’s the unjust and immoral solution.

        || … I expect the pace to increase rapidly over the next few years and the establishment of a “Palestinian” state will be impossible for all intents and purposes. Only then can we talk about a true and lasting peace, based on justice for all. ||

        The sheer idiocy of your comment would be amusing if it weren’t for the evil that prompted it and upon which it is based.

      • Misterioso
        January 28, 2016, 12:22 pm

        I can’t believe you’re trotting out this long since debunked canard.

        http://972mag.com/settlers-fabricate-non-existent-%E2%80%9Ceternal-rights%E2%80%9D/14948/

      • Mooser
        January 28, 2016, 3:38 pm

        “I expect the pace to increase rapidly over the next few years and the establishment of a “Palestinian” state will be impossible for all intents and purposes. Only then can we talk about a true and lasting peace, based on justice for all.”

        BEST ZIONIST PARODY EVER!!!! He’s got it all, including the blithe confidence that most Jewish people have nothing better to do than become criminals and use their kids as human shields. (And want to live world-wide with the consequences of what he is proposing, but let it go) “MaxNarr” follows all the Zionist parody protocols.

      • diasp0ra
        January 28, 2016, 4:27 pm

        @Max

        Keep going like that, bud.

        You think you’re helping, but your expansionism will be the end of your project, just like in South Africa.

        After the Palestinian state “becomes impossible” (it already is imo), what are the Palestinians going to do? They aren’t going to up and leave.

        Will you have them as second class citizens unable to vote? That is unsustainable, world opinion will put an end to that. You will give them full equality? Then they will have the majority and change the laws from within.

        Your bragging is incredibly short sighted, but I applaud it. Keep going in that direction.

      • lysias
        January 28, 2016, 4:51 pm

        If the Israelis have sense and come to terms in time, it will be like South Africa. More likely, they won’t, and their fate will be more like that of the pieds noirs European settlers in French Algeria.

      • zaid
        January 28, 2016, 5:11 pm

        “read up on UN charter article 80”

        Why dont you quote it for us?

        The Answer is : Because Article 80 does not say what you are implying.

        “In the meantime the right solution will be for the Jewish people to continue to massively settle all parts of Palestine”

        First of all, thank you for Calling it what it is : Palestine.

        Second of all ,Massively settle or not, it doesno matter, cause in 2017 ,Palestinians (only rightful owners of Palestine) will celebrate being the majority of the Population in their historic homeland for the first time since the European colonizers stole their land and ethnically cleansed half of them in 1947-1948.

        http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/328404/palestinian-population-to-pass-jews-by-2017-in-israel-and-territories/

        http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/population-israelpalestine-projected

        “Deal with it”

        If Israel is tough and in control, then why are you trolling this site!

        You are trolling here because in the last 5 decades despite their military superiority, Israel lost most of the land it once controlled, and the land returned it to its rightful owners , they lost Sinai, South Lebanon, Gaza and the rest to come.

        You are Trolling here because you can see the shift in public opinion , that once upon a time saw Israel as a victim and the Arabs as villains but not anymore.

        http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/bbc-poll-israel-among-world-s-least-popular-nations-1.525890

        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/sanctions-settlements-democratic

        http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/influence-israels-democrats

        You are trolling here because you found your self attached to the world most hated country and the waves of Divestment,Boycott, recognition, statement resolutions, demonstrations and sanctions keeps on coming with no end in sight.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/09/london-gaza-protest_n_5664363.html

        http://www.timesofisrael.com/brazilian-official-says-dani-dayan-rejected-as-ambassador/

        You are trolling here because you see your own people starting to turn against you, and it burns so bad for a Zionist like you to see Jews like Phill,Max, JVP and others turning their back on the garbage ideology of Zionism.

        You are trolling here because despite all the efforts and the billions of dollars hasbarists
        spent, they could not convince the world to accept or legitimize their colonization of Palestine or their ridiculous narrative of recent or old history.

        So despite what you claim about Article 80 , Not even a single county recognizes Israeli settlements.

        http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/index.php?pr=71&code=mwp&p1=3&p2=4&p3=6
        https://www.rt.com/news/329765-sovereign-palestine-jerusalem-china/
        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34786607
        http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/08/politics/zivotofsky-supreme-court-jerusalem-passport/
        http://www.un.org/press/en/2012/ga11317.doc.htm
        http://www.timesofisrael.com/un-chief-redoubles-criticism-of-israels-stifling-occupation/

        Not once!

        You are trolling because in spite of the confident retard kid character that you show, you are actually a frustrated, disappointed and miserable looser who can never convince anyone to accept his doomed to fail ideology of Zionism which leaves him with no other choice than to say “Deal with It”.

        You are pathetic.

        Bonus:

        http://www.timesofisrael.com/protesters-obstruct-jewish-prayers-at-gay-rights-convention/

      • talknic
        January 28, 2016, 6:42 pm

        @ MaxNarr “Mayhem is completely right”

        Article 7 of the LoN Mandate for Palestine tells us Mayhem is full of Ziopoop

        ” Remember, under international law, the entire of Palestine is Jewish land”

        Article 7 of the LoN Mandate for Palestine and numerous UNSC resolutions reminding Israel of binding International Law and the UN Charter tell us you’re also full of Ziopoop!

        “read up on UN charter article 80”

        Article 80 tells us you’re spouting nonsense

        “Jordan=Palestine”

        The folk who lived in the area that became the state of Jordan had an automatic right to permanent Jordanian citizenship. People who lived outside that area did not

        “In the meantime the right solution will be for the Jewish people to continue to massively settle all parts of Palestine, North, South, East and West as you have seen”

        Then they should seek Palestinian citizenship or go live in the countries in which they hold citizenship. According to the Israeli Government, Israel is the Jewish State http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/documents/newPDF/49.pdf

        ” I expect the pace to increase rapidly over the next few years and the establishment of a “Palestinian” state will be impossible for all intents and purposes”

        Yes that has been the intention of the vile Zionist pyramid scheme that has for more than a hundred years plagued the region and Judaism

        ” Only then can we talk about a true and lasting peace, based on justice for all”

        Justice for all by stealing other folks territories … AMAZING

        That you keep lying after having been shown incontrovertible evidence refuting your moronic Hasbara time and time again tells us you’re either a complete idiot or a paid propagandist

      • echinococcus
        January 28, 2016, 6:59 pm

        Lysias,

        How much evidence do we have pointing to any atom of optimism re the Zionists acquiring sense one day? It looks like the point where they could limit the damage is long gone. The frightening thought suggested by the conditions is that an Algeria-type solution may also be already too optimistic for the Zionist entity.

  9. Kathleen
    January 27, 2016, 11:31 pm

    As Annie has pointed out not a whisper in msm…except when BB flips the script…again

    • Annie Robbins
      January 28, 2016, 12:44 pm

      exactly kathleen. they all sat on their hands and waited for their headline de jure.

  10. Marnie
    January 27, 2016, 11:53 pm

    Excellent piece Annie.

    Ban Ki-Moon is not backing down from his statements, regardless of Netanyahu’s tantrum with statements such as “the UN secretary general’s comments give terror a tailwind. There is no justification for terror.” What an ass.

    Speaking of asses, “President Barack Obama spoke Wednesday at a special Holocaust ceremony at the Israeli Embassy in Washington D.C., and said that “anti-Semitism is on the rise, we cannot deny it.” “When we see Jews leaving Europe… and attacks on Jewish centers from Mumbai to Kansas; when we see swastikas appear on college campuses, we must not stay silent. “When any Jew anywhere is targeted, we must all respond as if we are all Jewish… we must all do what we can… we have a responsibility, and as president I will make sure the U.S. is leading the fight against anti-Semitism,” the president says.

    Where is the faux outrage about settlement expansion? What has happened for Pres. Obama to get down on all fours like this? Now “we’re” all Jewish? Why aren’t we all Palestinian? That’s absolutely disgusting. And another thing, America’s first Black president is stonily silent on the daily brutality inflicted on its citizens of African descent. Has he ever claimed “We are all African Americans?” Has he ever even acknowledged Black Lives Matter? Building holocaust memorials across the US has the same logic as building memorials wrt slavery in the US in Sweden.

    • Jon66
      January 28, 2016, 7:59 am

      Marnie,
      “Building holocaust memorials across the US has the same logic as building memorials wrt slavery in the US in Sweden. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/cut-the-gordian-knot-a-response-to-ban-ki-moons-landmark-speech#sthash.eRQGXy0q.dpuf

      There are 16 memorials to the Great Irish Famine in the US and imagine how many more there would be if it had occurred in 1945 instead of 1845 when Irish-Americans were more established and we had 48 states.

      There are monuments to the Armenian genocide in America and also in France, Uruguay, Canada, And Germany amongst others.

      Why do you object so strenuously to Holocaust memorials? I see them as the response of people who feel that although they couldn’t save the victims, at least we can remember them.

      • Marnie
        January 28, 2016, 11:45 am

        Because it’s bullshit.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 28, 2016, 12:51 pm

        jon, there is one memorial in the US to the american genocide, ONE. and it’s in texas. the smithsonian doesn’t even have one, it’s disgusting. there are 130 jewish holocaust museums.. and one for native americas? please.

        http://www.ncai.org/resources/resolutions/national-american-indian-holocaust-museum

        The National Congress of American Indians
        Resolution #TUL-13-005

        TITLE: Requesting the Smithsonian to Create a Space Within the National Museum of the American Indian to establish a National American Indian Holocaust Museum

        WHEREAS, we, the members of the National Congress of American Indians of the United States, invoking the divine blessing of the Creator upon our efforts and purposes, in order to preserve for ourselves and our descendants the inherent sovereign rights of our Indian nations, rights secured under Indian treaties and agreements with the United States, and all other rights and benefits to which we are entitled under the laws and Constitution of the United States, to enlighten the public toward a better understanding of the Indian people, to preserve Indian cultural values, and otherwise promote the health, safety and welfare of the Indian people, do hereby establish and submit the following resolution; and

        WHEREAS, the National Congress of American Indians (NCAI) was established in 1944 and is the oldest and largest national organization of American Indian and Alaska Native tribal governments; and

        WHEREAS, the Native peoples of this land are the original inhabitants of what now constitutes the United States, and conservative estimates number the American Indian population at approximately 10 million and in 1500 and reduced to barely 237,000 in 1900; and

        WHEREAS, the means of this immense population reduction were caused intentionally or by disease, which was intensified by forced migrations, deprivation of nutrition and neglect after relocation to unfamiliar, barren lands; and

        WHEREAS, there are currently 566 federally recognized Indian tribes and many more that were killed into extinction, and the many years of genocide against American Indians is commemorative of an assault on all of humanity; and

        WHEREAS, the definition of genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group, and the definition of holocaust is a mass slaughter of people, especially through genocide; and

        WHEREAS, American Indians today, as descendants of these original atrocities have great resilience but still as a group of people suffered from intergenerational trauma and continued hostile climates from the failed aforementioned policies; and

        WHEREAS, American Indians were the subject of systemic federal policies that deprived them of land, liberty, livelihood, and life; and

        WHEREAS, once an expanding nation found attractive the land occupied by American Indians for centuries, the land was often simply taken, and frequently by force; and

        WHEREAS, American Indians, displaced by the taking of the lands of their fathers and mothers, then had their liberties further violated through forced relocation, including the young separated from their families to be sent away for schooling and assimilation; and

        WHEREAS, establishing an American Indian Holocaust Memorial Museum would not only illuminate a vital chapter in American history, but would also implore that such a holocaust should never happen again; and

        WHEREAS, as life is created in the four elements, which is used to express the vitality of the Native spirit to survive, to create a center for healing from these atrocities; and

        WHEREAS, establishing an American Indian Holocaust Memorial Museum would be an important step towards reconciliation and intergenerational healing from these atrocities.

        NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that the NCAI hereby requests the Smithsonian to create space for a National American Indian Holocaust Museum to educate the general public about the history of mistreatment and destruction experienced by Native peoples, their cultures, and their languages; and

        BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that NCAI requests National Museum of the American Indian to make it part of their “Fourth Museum,” the traveling virtual exhibit; and

        BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED, that this resolution shall be the policy of NCAI until it is withdrawn or modified by subsequent resolution.

        CERTIFICATION

        The foregoing resolution was adopted by the General Assembly at the 2013 Annual Session of the National Congress of American Indians, held at the Cox Business Center from October 13–18, 2013 in Tulsa, Oklahoma with a quorum present.

        President
        ATTEST: Recording Secretary

      • Annie Robbins
        January 28, 2016, 12:54 pm

        Hiding Genocide: The National Museum Of The American Indian http://www.aics.org/natlmuseum.html

        There is an enormous cultural rip-off being foisted upon our Nations by Washington D.C. I’ve warned of it before, but a small voice is easily drowned out when millions of dollars are being spent and the voice of the Great White Father anoints Indian leaders.

        For a decade or more the Smithsonian fundraising machine has gone merrily along, draining much needed funds away from the Indian community and diverting America’s attention away from the economic, cultural and legal devastation going on across our homelands. Many interest groups coveted the final two vacant spaces on the National Mall. Congress in its wisdom awarded one site to a very politically powerful (and deserving) Jewish applicant and another to the very politically powerful Smithsonian Institution, their ‘keeper of the loot’.

        Contrast the two new museums and you can see how they are used to support a conqueror’s cleansed view of history: For the Jewish museum no thought at all was given to using it to show the world ancient Jewish culture and artifacts. They could have displayed scenes of ancient Jewish life: hunting, tanning hides and pastoral living. Like an Indian museum, it would have been beautiful and easy for people to enjoy.

        It wasn’t done that way for one reason…The Jewish people were in charge and they decided for themselves what aspect of their history to show the world. They decided with one voice to use the rare space as a shield to protect their people against a repeat of the Nazi holocaust. Jewish politicians funded and protected Jewish intellectuals, artists, historians, Rabbis, and survivors as they crafted a way to commemorate their dead and to use their past to protect their future. They refused to allow the dreams of others to distort the truth of their horror, and now their museum is a powerful testament to a Jewish dream, not a gentile revision of reality. Our space, and the world’s window to our Nations, was turned over to the Smithsonian Institution to enshrine the lie of ‘manifest destiny’ and the historical inevitability of the American Holocaust.

        America’s museums have always been a prime purveyor of the big lies of American history, now the largest and worst is given an army of non-Indian historians, anthros, romance writers and a couple of Indian scouts, to define us to the world.

        THEY decided with one voice NOT to use our rare and precious space as a shield of truth against the American Holocaust or to prevent the conclusion of its evil purpose against my people. We still die, our sacred sites are paved over, our dead dug up, our children stolen and mis-educated. Missionaries search the jungle for the last of us.

        American’s sensibilities are being spared at the cost of continuing depredations against Indian people. Americans will go to the Holocaust Museum and be told the horrible truths of what Hitler and the Nazi’s did to the Jews. They will cry for the victims and mourn with the survivors, in the end they too will be determined to protect the Jewish people from a repeat of the Holocaust. All thinking people support this. They will also be comforted (and exempted) to know that America defeated the Nazi, stopped the killing, and helped Jews return to their homeland. Next, Americans can walk over to the museum of ‘Indian’ history.

        more at link

      • lysias
        January 28, 2016, 2:33 pm

        I know of one museum of American slavery. It’s in Charleston SC.

      • Chu
        January 28, 2016, 3:14 pm

        “there are 130 jewish holocaust museums.. and one for native americas”

        wow, that is pathetic. And then who runs Holocaust museums? I recall that the US government gets to foot the bill for their upkeep and maintenance. What a scam, if that’s the case…

        And when do we get statues of Lenin and Trotsky? The Satanists are pushing for Baphomet statues in the town square.

      • echinococcus
        January 28, 2016, 7:03 pm

        Hey 66,

        The other memorials to genocides are places to commemorate and study. The Holocaust(TM) museums or whatever you call them run by the Zionists are a commercial venture and a blackmail instrument. Quite a difference

      • talknic
        January 28, 2016, 9:07 pm

        @ Jon66 “There are 16 memorials to the Great Irish Famine in the US and imagine how many more there would be if it had occurred in 1945”

        It didn’t. Your call to imagine is pointless

        “I see them as the response of people who feel that although they couldn’t save the victims …”

        Non-Jewish Americans built them?

      • lysias
        January 28, 2016, 9:46 pm

        There are 16 memorials to the Great Irish Famine in the US.

        None in D.C. supported by federal funds, though, are there?

      • Jon66
        January 29, 2016, 8:10 am

        Talknic,

        “Non-Jewish Americans built them?”

        I don’t know. Donors are not identified by religious affiliation.

        Ecchi,
        Have you been to the DC museum. Currently there is an exhibit, which I haven’t seen yet, on minority persecution in Iraq. The museum also has a center for the prevention of genocide. Your characterization of these museums is incorrect. The American Indians in Annie’s quote look to the DC museum as a model.

        I’m curious what you both thought of the Indians phrase, the return of Jews to their homeland.

      • Annie Robbins
        February 4, 2016, 3:22 am

        I know of one museum of American slavery. It’s in Charleston SC

        it’s a national DISGRACE we don’t have one on the mall in DC.

    • Froggy
      January 28, 2016, 4:32 pm

      Obama is a sell out. Always has been.

      Once he’s out of office, follow the money that goes into his pocket.

      • Jon66
        January 28, 2016, 5:59 pm

        Annie,

        Could you provide a link to the list of 130 museums? I have seen a large number of memorials listed but can’t find 130 museums.

        What is it about a Holocaust museum that disgusts you? I certainly don’t have a problem with more memorials to American Indians, but does remembrance of one tragedy lessen the remembrance of another? Many of the Holocaust museums have a core function of education regarding intolerance. Are the memorials to the Irish Famine and the Armenian genocide disgusting as well?

        I found the end of your second post interesting, “They will also be comforted (and exempted) to know that America defeated the Nazi, stopped the killing, and helped Jews return to their homeland. Ne – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/cut-the-gordian-knot-a-response-to-ban-ki-moons-landmark-speech#sthash.v7lFPTxr.dpuf

      • MaxNarr
        January 28, 2016, 7:07 pm

        The vitriolic hatred of holocaust memorials is really unsettling. It’s plain scary. Do you even hear what you are saying?

      • Sibiriak
        January 28, 2016, 8:02 pm

        jon66: ….but does remembrance of one tragedy lessen the remembrance of another?
        ————–

        It can if one tragedy is put up above all others and it’s considered a crime to suggest otherwise.

        For example:

        According to Gideon Bachar, the head of the Israeli Foreign Ministry department for the fight against antisemitism, who represented Israel in the discussions, the newly accepted definition of a holocaust denier is anyone who doubts the number of Jews killed, who denies the existence of the gas chambers, as well as anyone who claims the Jews have brought on the holocaust intentionally, to serve their own ends, such as the establishment of the State of Israel, and also anyone who includes the 1939-1945 holocaust among other great tragedies in human history.

        However, according to Wikipedia, In 2007 the IHRA expanded its thematic mandate to include the genocide of the Roma. This would seem to be in conflict with Bachar’s point about the holocaust remaining a distinctly Jewish event, incomparable with any other case of human suffering. [emphasis added]

        http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/international-forum-declaration-regulates-holocaust-denial/2013/10/31/0/?print
        —————————-

        Many of the Holocaust museums have a core function of education regarding intolerance …

        Some have other core functions, especially one where attendance is compulsory for high-level visitors:

        […]Besides a short wreath-laying ceremony at Mount Herzl, which is mandatory only for heads of state, a stopover at Yad Vashem is the only obligatory item on the itinerary of high-level guests visiting Israel for the first time.

        * * *

        […]Yet recently voices calling for a reassessment of this policy have grown louder, even within the government. No one should be forced to visit a museum, no matter how important the lessons it teaches, they argue. Some politically rather incorrect Israeli critics have gone as far as accusing Israel of exploiting the memory of six million Jews for political gains.

        * * *

        […]Critics see this calculation — because there was a Holocaust, Israel needs to be given a free hand — as the intensification of a societal phenomenon that dates back to the 1950s and has grown stronger ever since. Use of the Holocaust to justify policies and actions got its first boost after the Six Day War, and in the 1970s Menachem Begin stepped it up another notch, according to historians. But critics charge that the current government like no other has mastered the art of using the Holocaust to make political points.

        “If a state guest comes, say a high-ranking US general, and you want to force upon him some kind of decision, the best thing to do is show him Yad Vashem and explain to him that after the Shoah there is no other alternative but to accept everything Israel wishes to do,” Israeli historian Moshe Zimmerman said.

        We instrumentalize the memory of the Shoah not only to make the world aware that we are traumatized but also for the sake of our specific aims in international politics, especially toward the Palestinians. This tendency in Israeli policy is getting stronger all the time. It was not that explicit in 1948, but it became more and more explicit over time.” [emphasis added]

        http://www.timesofisrael.com/why-does-israel-oblige-official-guests-to-visit-yad-vashem/

      • talknic
        January 28, 2016, 8:14 pm

        @ Jon66 ” I have seen a large number of memorials listed but can’t find 130 museums”

        Correct. A large number of the completely disproportionate number of Jewish Holocaust memorials in the US are not museums.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Holocaust_memorials_and_museums_in_the_United_States

        “What is it about a Holocaust museum that disgusts you?”

        A) False accusations are against the most basic of Judaism’s tenets. B) Please point out the evidence for your accusation. C) If you can’t, please retract what would be then shown to be an unsubstantiated accusation or show yourself to be just another liar for the vile, illegal inhumane, Zionist Federation Greater Israel pyramid scheme

      • talknic
        January 28, 2016, 8:17 pm

        @ MaxNarr “The vitriolic hatred of holocaust memorials is really unsettling. It’s plain scary. “

        Exactly what vitriolic hatred of holocaust memorials ?

        “Do you even hear what you are saying?”

        Perhaps you’ll quote what was actually said

      • eljay
        January 28, 2016, 9:39 pm

        || MaxNarr: The vitriolic hatred of holocaust memorials is really unsettling. It’s plain scary. … ||

        And yet it pales by comparison to your vitriolic hatred of the universal and consistent application of justice, accountability and equality.

        By deliberately and proudly committing (war) crimes on behalf of the “Jewish people”, you and your hateful and immoral co-collectivists are robbing all Jews of the very protections they – like all people – should be entitled to.

        Why do you hate Jews so much?

      • Mooser
        January 28, 2016, 10:11 pm

        ” It’s plain scary. Do you even hear what you are saying?”

        Hey “MaxNarr” Do you ever take some of your comments to your Rabbi or other Jewish religious authority and ask ”

        “Rabbi, do you think my comments are helping or hindering Judaism, or even the Zionist cause“, and maybe following his advice?

      • gamal
        January 28, 2016, 11:56 pm

        “Hey “MaxNarr” Do you ever take some of your comments to your Rabbi or other Jewish religious authority ”

        Mooser the most famous noise in Islam is this, right from the opening, the 7 verses straight in to the cattle, “Max” may be off key, this guy is Gods voice.

        https://youtu.be/jK-mxZC1GFk

      • Marnie
        January 29, 2016, 12:02 am

        @ maxxxnnnaaarrrrrrrrrrrr
        “The vitriolic hatred of holocaust memorials is really unsettling. It’s plain scary. Do you even hear what you are saying?”

        Also maxxxnnnaaarrrrrrrrrrrr
        “Please keep in mind that every entity that attempts boycott or BDS on the Jewish state will face severe consequences. The methodist church first and foremost. Watch and wait.”

        What you wanna go and threaten the Methodist church for? Are you going to send all your little chickpeas on some kind of mission? Damn nnnaaarrrrrrrrr – do you even read your posts before you send or are all your posts just premature postulations (bingo!)?

      • Mooser
        January 29, 2016, 3:11 am

        “The vitriolic hatred of holocaust memorials is really unsettling. It’s plain scary.”

        Maybe you should file a complaint.
        Harrassment!
        If you tell the court that reading Mondo makes you, a, well, a… a very special kind person, frightened or uncomfortable in your own home (Oooh, that’s home invasion, too. Felony!) you could, without a scintilla of doubt, get a judgement in your favor and mulct Mondo for massive damages.
        Get the entire crew a billet in stony lonesome, “Max”

      • Mooser
        January 29, 2016, 3:29 am

        “Do you ever take some of your comments to your…”

        Sorry, must have lost my grip for a minute there. I mean since not a single Zionist of any stripe has ever contradicted, argued with, or even tried to dial your BS back a bit, (or any of the other herd of ilk) I can only assume it’s the company line. What on earth made me think he would think it’s anything but a mitzvoh.

      • RoHa
        January 29, 2016, 4:08 am

        Interesting, Siberiak.

        Drifting a bit off topic here, but

        “the newly accepted definition of a holocaust denier”

        Accepted by whom? It sounds as though there was some kind of international committee. Was there?

        “is anyone who doubts the number of Jews killed,”

        How much leeway is there? Plus or minus 10%? (When I was young I heard the figure of four million tossed around a lot, but perhaps that was just in reference to Auschwitz.)

        And what do they call the rabbi who says most of them weren’t real Jews?

        http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.694868

        “who denies the existence of the gas chambers”

        Eastern European Jews who were lined up and shot don’t count? If the killing was deliberate, why is the method important?

      • Annie Robbins
        January 29, 2016, 11:09 am

        What is it about a Holocaust museum that disgusts you?

        jon, please review what i wrote:

        there is one memorial in the US to the american genocide, ONE. and it’s in texas. the smithsonian doesn’t even have one, it’s disgusting.

        re the guide to the 130, i will see if i can find the link, that is from memory but i think i recall when i ran into it and will go back and take look.

        on a personal note, i don’t really have a problem w/people’s shrines to their deceased. it’s something all cultures do in one way or another. i am going to have a bench made for my mom in our community garden.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 29, 2016, 12:04 pm

        jon, wiki lists a few more than 50 so my memory could be just wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Holocaust_memorials_and_museums_in_the_United_States

        i have no idea where i got that idea but it could have been from some source like this which includes centers at colleges and stuff:

        http://www.remember-us.org/pdfs/holocaust-centers.pdf

        sorry for the misinformation.

      • Jon66
        January 29, 2016, 2:18 pm

        Annie,

        Sorry for misunderstanding what you were describing. Thanks for clarifying the list.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 29, 2016, 3:05 pm

        no problemo and my pleasure.

      • lysias
        February 1, 2016, 2:22 pm

        The late Raul Hilberg, who while he was alive was the world’s leading scholar of the Holocaust, estimated the number of Jews killed as 5.1 million, or more precisely between 4.9 and 5.4 million.

        So to say that one cannot question the 6 million figure is to deny the right to conduct objective history.

      • Mooser
        February 1, 2016, 2:37 pm

        “So to say that one cannot question the 6 million figure”

        Nobody has to question a single figure. It’ll be other questions, the kind people can’t help answering for themselves, or, for that matter, asking themselves about huge horrible events hard to conceive of.
        Especially if Zionism abrogates unto itself the right to deal death in the name of the Jews. And that ship has exodused.

  11. Kathleen
    January 28, 2016, 5:21 am

    The harsh reality:
    BBC Documentary 2015 – Children of the Gaza War

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puJlMGBgww8

    Death in Gaza

  12. Sibiriak
    January 28, 2016, 6:16 am

    [Ban Ki-moon:] “Palestinian frustration is growing under the weight of a half century of occupation…”

    ——————

    Palestinians were frustrated under British occupation as well….

    • Talkback
      January 28, 2016, 9:10 am

      Yep, the so called British Mandate for Palestine was de facto a pro Zionist protectorate. Even the first High Commissioner (Herbert Samuel) and the first General Attorney (Norman Bentwich) of Palestine were Jewish Zionists.

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