New Jersey teenager threatened with legal action by high school over pro-Palestine activism (Update)

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Bethany Koval, a remarkably brazen and aware 16 year old teenage activist from Fair Lawn, New Jersey studying at Fair Lawn High School was targeted for her political activism yesterday. What began over Koval’s commentary of the Gaza beach bombing: “I spoke of the death tolls and called Israel’s govt a terrorist“, resulted in her being called down to the principle’s office, intimidated, threatened with legal action, and coerced into signing a statement.

As Koval tweeted her experience all day throughout the process, activists on social media swiftly rallied in support and started a hashtag,  #IStandwithBenny. News of her harassment spread like wildfire nationally and internationally. It’s already gone viral.

“I have a right to speak” begins Koval’s coerced written statement, photographed (below), and tweeted out to the world. “Mr. Guaginino intimidated me into writing this without an attorney”, referencing Fair Lawn High School Assistant Principal, Frank Guadagnino.

She’s smart and defiant. “I expressed my political opinions online recording the Israeli government, and I will continue to do so. I will not be silenced by fear. I will not be intimidated into submission.”

Eleven days before on December 27, Bethany Koval started an extended information thread on her twitter feed consisting of numerous tweets explaining in simple clear terms why Israel is an apartheid state. She began somewhat benignly, like this:

No slouch, Bethany’s opening tweets responsibly quoted Oxford Dictionaries:

 “Apartheid” can be defined as segregation on grounds other than race. Some say this term doesn’t apply to Israel due to fair voting rights. But “segregation” can be defined as “the enforced separation of different racial groups in a country, community, or establishment”.

Then she linked to the Times of Israel‘s Ex-Shin Bet chief calls for West Bank road segregation, articles in Haaretz, as well as the horrendous and now infamous settler wedding knife dance video exposing the stabbing of Ali Dawabshe’s image, the 18-month old Palestinian baby burned alive on July 31. The entire extended thread is available here and Muftah republished many of the tweets in How a New Jersey Teenager Was Railroaded by Her School for Being Pro-Palestine.

Here is the full statement she was coerced into writing after clearly stating “I don’t want to make a statement” and stressing “I believe I have a right to an attorney“.

@bendykoval

@bendykoval

During her holiday break on December 22, Koval was engaged in a conversation about Palestine/Israel and the viability of a 2 state solution, the discussion turned to Hamas. Koval tweeted she didn’t think Hamas was extreme; “Hamas is just painted that way Hateful rhetoric against Hamas is what allowed the Gaza bombing”. Another student at her school took offense to her tweets and began discussing them with friends. It occurred to Koval she could get in trouble and that her opinions could be construed as “hate speech“.

She explained in her statement to the authorities “A girl…told her friends I had no right to speak on this, and erased my Jewish ethnicity”.  Unfortunately challenging the ethnicity of Jews who expose Israel’s atrocities is not uncommon. Koval wrote she retaliated by writing a tweet about it, a “general message”. Hence, students reported her and she was accused of being a bully, a charge that is punishable by suspension and/or expulsion (pdf) in the state of New Jersey.

“Why I am accused of “bullying”, I think because I wish for a Free Palestine. The freedom of speech is chained and beaten in this school.”

Renowned scholar Steven Salaita tweeted out “Zionists are now going after teenagers. No surprise.” News of her predicament was translated into Arabic and spread fast through social media:

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Activist from all over the world inundated the school and the district communicating their displeasure, resulting in Koval requesting all communication to the school stop.

Although support has been pouring in from all over the world. Benny tweeted her parents didn’t support her views.

After reading an alarming tweet that her parents were “REALLY mad” and concerned about her situation at home, I spoke with Bethany Koval. She’s now retained New York attorney Stanley Cohen and evidently Cohen has put her nervous mom at ease, “He spoke with her and she really calmed down”.

It’s a lot to handle having your child the focus of so much attention over such a heated controversy, but her mom’s warming to the situation, somewhat.

I asked Bethany if she was prepared for celebrity.

“No, not really. I don’t want to be the face of the movement, I want Palestinians to be the face of the movement. It’s not right when privileged people get credit for what under privileged people have been saying for a long time.”

Have you been contacted by any mainstream publications?

“The New York Times”

Do you feel like you are raising the consciousness around you, at school perhaps?

“It’s going to be odd to go back, I see the divide between friend groups. Some students in my school have contacted me and let me know they’re listening, letting me know they are supportive. I didn’t expect, I didn’t see this coming.”

Meanwhile, online she’s swiftly becoming a role model for free speech pro Palestinian youth activists. Smart, moral, politically savvy, conscious, and classy too:

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Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani

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  1. eljay
    January 7, 2016, 10:33 am

    I offer my respect to Ms. Koval.

    • Misterioso
      January 7, 2016, 12:14 pm

      Me too.

      Zionists take heed!! Knowledgeable, courageous and moral, Ms. Koval represents the future. of the pro-Palestinian/Arab struggle. You will be defeated.

      • bintbiba
        January 7, 2016, 12:44 pm

        Respect and Thank you’s to brave , moral young Benny Koval from an 80 year old Palestinian who was 12 in ’48 and remembers .

        Respect !!

      • Emory Riddle
        January 7, 2016, 6:34 pm

        The NY Times ran a brief article on this and spun it to make it seem as if Ms. Koval was the villain here.

        “A New Jersey high school student found herself in a social media storm on Wednesday after she live-tweeted and apparently secretly recorded a trip to her principal’s office.”

        She secretly recorded this trip!

        “..tweet that contained a string of expletives directed at Israel and expressed happiness that a pro-Israel classmate had unfollowed her Twitter account”.

        Yikes. Profanity used! And expressing happiness that a pro-Israel classmate had unfollowed her Twitter account. Get out the ropes for this evil mastermind!

        “..an administrator can be heard telling Ms. Koval that the state could determine that she had committed an act of bullying for a tweet that referred to a fellow student as “that pro-Israel girl from my school.”

        “You are talking about her to someone else,” the administrator said.”

        Wow. Calling someone “that pro-Israel girl from my school” when talking to someone else is bullying?

        Had enuff of this crap yet America?

        “Yes, I am,” Ms. Koval responded.

    • John Smithson
      January 7, 2016, 1:28 pm

      Drip, Drip, Drip…

      The dike will be breaking, just a question of when.

      Good to see the young people pointing out, as usual, that the emperor has no clothes!

      Frank Guadagnino has got to feel pretty bad by now. Hope he apologizes to her once he deprograms himself.

      Darn refreshing – will send along to folks for their erudition.

      • JWalters
        January 8, 2016, 6:52 pm

        Maybe more parents will also wake up as they begin to look outside of their bubble. Facts are a big deal.

      • Stephen Shenfield
        January 12, 2016, 4:11 pm

        ‘The state could determine that she had committed an act of bullying for a tweet that referred to a fellow student as “that pro-Israel girl from my school.”’

        Does that amount to regarding “pro-Israel” as an insult?

    • jaspeace2day
      January 11, 2016, 3:28 pm

      This gives me new hope that our schools actually are educating our children. And I certainly see the irony in the fact that it is the children, Palestinian, American, European, etc., that will lead the charge to dismantle the israeli apartheid terrorist state.

      “No, not really. I don’t want to be the face of the movement, I want Palestinians to be the face of the movement. It’s not right when privileged people get credit for what under privileged people have been saying for a long time.”

      It doesn’t get any better than that…A+ Miss Bethany Koval!

    • affinity292
      January 12, 2016, 1:11 am

      It certainly seems like she is getting good legal and PR advice now. If you investigate the situation, she has not gotten into trouble for her tweets about Israel or her political views.
      She was warned that the two tweets in which she referenced a schoolmate might qualify as “bullying” under NJ law. The school did not say or do anything about her right to dislike Israel nor to post about it.

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2016, 11:25 am

        “It certainly seems like she is getting good legal and PR advice now.”

        I hope this episode Ms. Koval gains a deeper appreciation of her own privacy. And the rather large difference between being a minor or an adult.

  2. Ageel
    January 7, 2016, 10:42 am

    Excellent story Annie! The muzzling of free speech has trickled down from the government (penalizing/criminalizing the BDS movement) to the universities (anti SJP pressure, Steven Salaita et al) and now to our high schools. It is alarming to realize how much influence the pro Israeli groups have on our basic right. They have done more to stifle free speech than all the Bin Ladens of the world combined could ever hope for!

  3. Marnie
    January 7, 2016, 10:43 am

    WTF kind of message is this to young people – you get punished and harassed for giving your conscience a voice? Not in Saudi Arabia but New Jersey for cryin’ out loud! My gosh they act like ravenous dogs going after a 16-year-old girl. Why? Because she spoke out against the actions of “Israel” or because she’s Jewish and spoke out against the actions of “Israel”? This young woman has more guts and strength of character than all the ankle grabbing a$$es in the US government. Much respect to Ms. Koval and I hope your parents come around.

    • pabelmont
      January 7, 2016, 12:54 pm

      Marnie: Seems Ms Koval is not only Jewish: Perhaps worse (as to bringing on punishment), she seems to be an Israeli Jews (or was, or her parents are or were). “When Zionists expect me to be in favor of the Palestinian genocide because I’m an Israeli Jew pic.twitter.com/ixgCfE3Rua
      2:12 AM – 6 Jan 2016 ”

      No-one likes apostates — think with horror of the treatment of (some) people who disown being Muslim in (some) Muslim countries (for example). After all, Zionism is a religion, indeed, a religion which authorizes (and demands) apartheid and slaughter of Palestinians. And many Americans (and not just Jews) have given up other religions in favor of Zionism.

      • Rashers2
        January 9, 2016, 1:02 pm

        I agree with your sentiments but baulk at your assertion, albeit perhaps intended ironically, that Zionism is a “religion”; rejection of Zionism by a Jew (Israeli or from anywhere else) is thus not apostasy in its literal, sacred-vs.-secular sense. Zionism is an ideology; it is, once again to quote Rt. Hon. Edwin Montagu almost a century ago, a “mischievous POLITICAL creed…” – my emphasis.
        That many Zionists conflate Zionism (a political ideology) with Judaism (a religion), hence implicitly imbuing the former with a religious or spiritual authority, may add moral duress to their condemnation of Jews rejecting or opposing it – and tells in passing us far more about the condemner than about the condemned – but this doesn’t MAKE Zionism a religion any more than my standing in a garage makes me a car.

    • Misterioso
      January 7, 2016, 2:51 pm

      Marnie

      The enemy camp is scared to death. Israel is rotting from the inside and along with their political puppets, loony Christian, Jewish and Leon Uris indoctrinated non-Jewish Zionists are dying off. Meanwhile, at an ever increasing rate, youth everywhere, including righteous Jews, are identifying with and supporting the Palestinians.

      • Marnie
        January 7, 2016, 11:39 pm

        Yes!

  4. Citizen
    January 7, 2016, 10:57 am

    Tweets About Israel Land New Jersey Student in Principal’s Office http://nyti.ms/1OR2QgH

    • Kris
      January 7, 2016, 12:39 pm

      Thanks for the link, Citizen.

      • Citizen
        January 7, 2016, 2:05 pm

        You’re most welcome.

  5. YoniFalic
    January 7, 2016, 11:05 am

    There are so many violations in what the principal did that I would not know where to start to describe them.

    If I were admitted to practice before the Supreme Court, I would offer to file a Bivens Complaint on her behalf. Obviously, Bendy did not suffer the physical harm that Bivens did, but the effort to deprive her of Constitutional rights boggles the mind.

    SCOTUS might be willing to hear such a complaint because it touches Constitutional issues of principle.

    I hope Bendy rejects the sick ideas of “Israeli” and “secular Jewish” or “ethnic Jewish” identities”.

    Ethnic E. Europeans, whose family names are “Koval” of “Falic”, certainly descend from pagan Germano-Slavo-Turkic converts, have only fictional connection to Palestine, don’t belong there, should leave the vile racist state, and for the sake of atonement should struggle on behalf of Palestinians against racist genocide-supporting ethnic E. European, ethnic N. African, ethnic Mesopotamian, and ethnic S. Arabian invaders in Palestine.

    • rugal_b
      January 7, 2016, 11:31 am

      Yonifalic

      – “I hope Bendy rejects the sick ideas of “Israeli” and “secular Jewish” or “ethnic Jewish” identities”.”-

      No way. What this smart young girl is doing is reclaiming her identity from the Zionists and playing the game exactly as it should be played. She is proudly Jewish, she embraces it enough to know that Zionists don’t share any values, tradition and history with her to represent her in any of their words or actions.

      This is like the real cops coming to bust the fake cops exploiting poor people who don’t know better while simultaneously bring back the good name and respect to their institution.

      • YoniFalic
        January 7, 2016, 1:13 pm

        It is delusional to believe that “ethnic identity” correlates with “values”. Does English, German, or Russian identity correlate with “values”? Hitler considered himself an avatar of “German values” against “Jewish values”?

        One can at least argue that there is some content of English, German, or Russian identity that correlates with English, German, or Russian language, literature or culture.

        With what does alleged “secular or ethnic Jewish” identity correlate? I had nothing in common with the “ethnic Jews”, whose attended my high school and whose parents were not E. European in origin, except Modern Israeli Hebrew, which is not usually considered an aspect of “ethnic or secular Jewish” identity.

        In 19th century Europe and N. America, an ethnic or secular Jew was someone whose ancestors practiced Judaism. Such a concept did not even exist outside Europe and N. America, and usually ethnic E. European Jews considered religious Jews of other ethnic groups not be Jews like them.

        The idea of “ethnic” or “secular Jew” is pure crap. I am an ethnic E. European, who had the misfortune of birth to ethnic E. European invaders in the State of Israel.

    • YoniFalic
      January 7, 2016, 11:32 am

      BTW, a complaint under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 is an alternative approach because SCOTUS in recent years has tended to limit Bivens complaints to violations of the 4th, 5th, 8th, and possibly 14th Amendments.

      NJ may also have some tort and claims remedies, and Bendy might be able to seek injunctive relief (maybe even an emergency ex parte injunction) against the principal.

      • Krendall Mist
        January 8, 2016, 7:24 pm

        Bivens only applies to federal agents. 1983 is what you use anyway against state actors.

    • echinococcus
      January 7, 2016, 1:53 pm

      At least this one largely makes up for it (you shouldn’t really call it “atonement”, bad connotations –in addition to being already emigrated, another plus point:

      “No, not really. I don’t want to be the face of the movement, I want Palestinians to be the face of the movement. It’s not right when privileged people get credit for what under privileged people have been saying for a long time.”

      Hat off. One of the very few citizens of the Zionist entity one can rely on.

    • jd65
      January 9, 2016, 3:10 pm

      Bless you for this comment, Yonifalic:

      It is delusional to believe that “ethnic identity” correlates with “values”. Does English, German, or Russian identity correlate with “values”? Hitler considered himself an avatar of “German values” against “Jewish values”?

      Yes. The twisted, marketing-like use of “values” is insidious and I personally hate it. It warps the mind, and perverts meaning. I recently felt the need to leave the organization JVP and their use of “Jewish values” as marketing (though I basically have no issues w/ their espoused positions) was part of what drove me away. The letter I wrote to them had a graph about it that is related to your comment here. Maybe you’d be interested in it, Yonifalic:

      Another language issue for me is that labeling your values as “Jewish” hints at the need or belief in attaching some sort of cultural/ethnic/religious ownership to a “value” or set of values. I consistently hear Jewish activists (not just JVPers) state that valuing social justice, equal rights, etc. is a Jewish thing. That they are “Jewish Values.” Well, they’re not. They’re a conscientious person thing. Labeling these values as Jewish nearly comes off as a type of marketing to me; a kind of “branding” of Jewishness. That’s offensive to me and, quite unfortunately, it’s rather Israeli-like. Whether it’s with conscious intent or not, labeling these “values” as Jewish (or Christian, black, feminist, whatever…) is narrow, exclusionary, self-serving, and maybe more importantly, very possibly counterproductive. It’s another way of placing the messenger above the message. And like the word “power,” I can understand someone feeling I’m simply being semantic here about labeling “values.” But the term “Jewish Values” really doesn’t sit well with me. And because it’s used so consistently, it’s a problem.

      Perhaps my thoughts here can essentially be boiled down to something written by Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi. In his Original Sins: Reflections on the History of Zionism and Israel (New York: Olive Branch Press, 1992-1993), Beit-Hallahmi writes about the relatively high level of Jewish success in the modern world, due in part to many Jews’ gradual secularization. He points to Marx, Freud, and Einstein as examples of this phenomenon and writes that, “They are Jews minus Jewishness[.]” While I personally represent the opposite of the type of modern success represented by the likes of Marx, Freud, and Einstein, I may have something in common with them yet: Being a Jew minus the Jewishness.

      Word…

    • Rashers2
      January 9, 2016, 6:07 pm

      “Ethnic E. Europeans, whose family names are “Koval” of “Falic”, certainly descend from pagan Germano-Slavo-Turkic converts, have only fictional connection to Palestine, don’t belong there, should leave the vile racist state, and for the sake of atonement should struggle on behalf of Palestinians against racist genocide-supporting ethnic E. European, ethnic N. African, ethnic Mesopotamian, and ethnic S. Arabian invaders in Palestine.”
      Too damned right! I would only add that I don’t care what they are/were “ethnically”/by heritage (insofar as anyone is “ethnically” anything – I’ve long harboured a secret fantasy that all racial supremacists will be genotyped and the ethnic profiling results published somewhere very prominent). I care only that they are racists and supporters – active or passive – of the Palestinian genocide.

      • Mooser
        January 9, 2016, 8:33 pm

        ” I’ve long harboured a secret fantasy that all racial supremacists will be genotyped and the ethnic profiling results published somewhere very prominent”

        Absolutely! That way, even if we can’t get the racists, we can get their children. And with genetic testing, the kids won’t be able to pose as non-racists, no matter how they live!

  6. Sibiriak
    January 7, 2016, 11:21 am

    YoniFalic: I hope Bendy rejects the sick ideas of “Israeli” and “secular Jewish” or “ethnic Jewish” identities.
    —————-

    Her sense of Jewish “ethnicity” doesn’t seem to be dampening her passion for truth and justice. If anything, its empowering her.

  7. hophmi
    January 7, 2016, 11:25 am

    For the record, teenagers have no right to counsel in school discipline cases. IMHO, they actually should have that right in certain circumstances (such as formal school disciplinary hearing or situations like these where they’re asked to give signed statements), but they don’t. And I’m sure you can figure out why; it would be impossible to run a school if every kid who got called down to the principal’s office invoked a right to counsel.

    Koval also has a right to record her meeting with the principal; New Jersey is a one party-consent state.

    Students do not have an absolute right to free speech. The Tinker standard is that they can express political opinions so long as they don’t disrupt substantially disrupt school activities. My guess is that Koval is within her First Amendment rights here, but of course, that doesn’t mean that the principal doesn’t have the right to talk to her.

    While I’m sure you’re all tempted to put this in the harassment-of-pro-Palestine-activist category, it’s more in the stupid-school-administrator category; if Koval had posted that she was a pro-Israel activist and had messed with a pro-Palestinian student who had unfollowed her, she’d be in the exact same position. Schools have cracked down on bullying in recent years, particularly in post-Tyler Clementi New Jersey,

    • YoniFalic
      January 7, 2016, 11:44 am

      Stupidity or ignorance is not a valid defense to accusations of violating Constitution rights. Stupidity or ignorance is a valid reason to fire a principal.

    • Citizen
      January 7, 2016, 11:56 am

      @ hophmi

      You’re generally right about the existing law applicable. Under NJ bully statute the Principal makes the decision to file a report under it. I wonder if the same school official who threatened Koval he’d do so, also threatened the pro-Israel student he’d do so? Apparently, the latter brought the issue to the school, not Koval. I think, at least under the Tinker standard, the Principal would be a fool to file a report.

      • YoniFalic
        January 7, 2016, 12:03 pm

        NJ law cannot preempt or nullify federal law or the US Constitution. Complaints that address nullification or preemption seem to be favorites with SCOTUS.

    • Kris
      January 7, 2016, 12:27 pm

      Thanks, hophmi. Very informative comment.

    • Annie Robbins
      January 7, 2016, 1:58 pm

      For the record, teenagers have no right to counsel in school discipline cases

      as citizen mentioned, because of the state law which the authority intimated in the discussions she recorded, she knew this was, potentially, not merely a school disciplinary issue but she could be formally charged under NJ’s anti-bullying act.

      as an aside — and something i didn’t mention in the text (which i probably should have but didn’t find out until late last night) is that the statement coerced from her she has been allowed to rescind and write another statement (presumably with the advice of her attorney) – according to the gothamist report embedded in “hate speech” in the article. (here it is again: http://gothamist.com/2016/01/06/fair_lawn_high_school_palestine_twe.php ) and everyone should open that link, it’s really good. i just wasn’t prepared to rewrite or update my article (again) after i read it as there was already a lot of updating to do after we spoke on the phone.

    • Keith
      January 7, 2016, 4:47 pm

      HOPHMI- “…if Koval had posted that she was a pro-Israel activist and had messed with a pro-Palestinian student who had unfollowed her, she’d be in the exact same position.”

      You can’t be serious. Do you have any examples of pro-Israel Jewish High School students who tweet that Palestinians and other Arabs are terrorists who live to murder Jews ever being threatened with “bullying?” Can you even conceive of this happening? What would the ADL and other Jewish Zionists groups do to the principal? What would happen to the principal’s career? This is yet another case of Zionist power being applied to control the narrative.

      • hophmi
        January 8, 2016, 11:22 am

        “You can’t be serious. ”

        I’m perfectly serious.

        ” Do you have any examples of pro-Israel Jewish High School students who tweet that Palestinians and other Arabs are terrorists who live to murder Jews ever being threatened with “bullying?”

        If that were the reason she was called the principal’s office, it would be one thing. But it isn’t. The girl got in trouble for offering to DM her classmate’s name to another tweeter who indicated that s/he was “ready to fight.” I have no doubt that that’s the reason she got in trouble. It’s the personal attack, not the political views.

        “This is yet another case of Zionist power being applied to control the narrative.”

        Actually, the way people react is a good litmus test. The anti-Israel crazies will say it’s about Zionist power. Anyone who is actually unbiased and regularly reads stories of schools overreacting to bullying events will understand that it has nothing to do with her political views.

        “If she had been a pro-Israel activist no action whatsoever would have been taken against her.”

        Can you provide any evidence to support the view that she would not have gotten in trouble had she offered to DM the name of a pro-Palestinian kid to someone who “wanted to fight”

        You can’t.

        “Anyone who knows the political situation in this country knows that.”

        The political situation in this country is that pro-Israel kids on college campuses are the ones most likely to face bullying and harassment from pro-Palestinian students, and not the other way around.

        “It’s very clear who the bully is here — it’s the principal.”

        I think the principal is overreacting a bit, but it has nothing to do with her political views.

      • Keith
        January 8, 2016, 4:31 pm

        HOPHMI- “The girl got in trouble for offering to DM her classmate’s name to another tweeter who indicated that s/he was “ready to fight.”

        First of all, I have re-read Annie’s article twice and cannot locate your reference to this DM tweet. Secondly, if true, so what? Why is reporting the name of the fellow student who took umbrage at her tweets bullying? Would private correspondence via the US mail also be bullying? Is her classmate’s actions opposing discussion of Israel bullying? You really think that this has nothing to do with the subject of the tweets? By the way, I stand by my comment that if the situation was reversed the principal would have behaved differently due to the power of the Zionists and their proven ability to use it to coerce compliance.

        HOPHMI- “Anyone who is actually unbiased and regularly reads stories of schools overreacting to bullying events will understand that it has nothing to do with her political views.”

        Nonsense. The way that the Zionist network scans the media with a fine tooth comb looking for evidence of anti-Semitism there would be numerous examples for you to reference of anti-Semitic harassment by Holocaust denying Jew haters if anything like this occurred. This is harassment to control the narrative, pure and simple. Also, the increased zero tolerance mindset of administrators is a direct consequence of the neocon inspired war on terror and the adoption of an Israel-like matrix of control.

        HOPHMI- “The political situation in this country is that pro-Israel kids on college campuses are the ones most likely to face bullying….”

        Only a dedicated Zionist cadre could so misrepresent reality. Thanks to Daniel Pipes and the rest of the Zionist power seeking collective, it is anti-Zionists who face harassment and official action, never Zionist Jews. Never. Or do you consider someone writhing under the Zionist boot as engaging in harassment? Complaining as harassment! Yes boss, I hear you.

    • Stephen Shenfield
      January 7, 2016, 4:57 pm

      hophmi: If she had been a pro-Israel activist no action whatsoever would have been taken against her. Anyone who knows the political situation in this country knows that. I can’t believe that you don’t know it too. It’s very clear who the bully is here — it’s the principal. I don’t believe that isn’t clear to you too. Any subterfuge to protect Zionism and its reign of intimidation.

  8. RobertB
    January 7, 2016, 11:32 am

    Of course they want to intimidate, silence high school students!!! Can you imagine if this story spreads all over the US High Schools….the students….their families?

    The Zionists fears…paranoia….get exposed!!!

    • hophmi
      January 7, 2016, 12:00 pm

      Yeah, I can. These stories of overzealous administrators are spread all the time. But no one outside of the anti-Israel community is going to see it as Zionist paranoia. They’re going to see it as administrative overzealousness.

      • RobertB
        January 7, 2016, 12:15 pm

        Yep…. hophmi… you have just echoed the Zionist’s paranoia…. your Apartheid Israel’s and its crimes against Palestinian women and Palestinian children…is slowly spreading in the US….and in high schools too!!!

        Your zionist damage control attempts…. are pale…!

        The TRUTH is on the side of the oppressed!!!

      • hophmi
        January 7, 2016, 3:10 pm

        “you have just echoed the Zionist’s paranoia”

        There’s no damage control here because there’s no evidence that Zionism has anything to do with this. What it looks like is that the anti-Israel community is standing up for a girl who offered to DM the name of a fellow student to an unknown person on twitter who wanted to “fight”.

        But really, RobertB, I’m not naive. I know that you guys will make propagandistic hay out of stories like these, regardless of what the actual facts are. It’s part of your training.

      • Mooser
        January 7, 2016, 6:33 pm

        “But really, RobertB, I’m not naive.” “Hophmi”

        Yup, that “Hophmi”s no Bubuleh-in-the-woods! He’s savvy, and knows that even if his arguments convince no-one, his every ‘bad hit’ and NUPV will tell on the Mondo web-stats, and sink the site rather sooner than later. He’s got ya’ coming and goin!

      • RoHa
        January 7, 2016, 6:56 pm

        And what does “DM the name” mean?

      • Annie Robbins
        January 7, 2016, 7:15 pm

        DM is twitterspeak for direct message. it’s a tweet that only goes to the person that others can’t see.

      • RoHa
        January 8, 2016, 1:28 am

        Thanks,Annie.

      • hophmi
        January 8, 2016, 11:24 am

        “He’s savvy, and knows that even if his arguments convince no-one, his every ‘bad hit’ and NUPV will tell on the Mondo web-stats, and sink the site rather sooner than later. He’s got ya’ coming and goin!”

        Yes, alas, Mooser, I’m quite savvy about issues like this, and unlike virtually everyone here, I see the story for what it is, rather than for its propaganda value.

  9. Steve Grover
    January 7, 2016, 11:48 am

    My thoughts go out to Bindy Koval’s parents for their tragedy. Maybe the best way to help Bindy would be for the entire family to move back to Israel. Or, if they remain in NJ, their Rabbi and Synagogue could help the family out to resolve this.

    • Citizen
      January 7, 2016, 12:05 pm

      Her nickname is Bendy, not Bindy, oh tearful one. The family should move back to Israel or seek aid with the local rabbi and synagogue–because the daughter tweeted criticism of a foreign country? Really? The general rule in America is that a student doesn’t lose his/her right to free speech at the school house gate. There are some restrictions but none seem to be applicable.

    • YoniFalic
      January 7, 2016, 12:08 pm

      The genocide-supporting ethnic E. European bully solution — move back to the murderous E. European invader state and join the demographic war against the natives!

      I wish my father and mother had left Israel before I graduated high school and became an IDF soldier that murdered innocent people during Operation Cast Lead.

    • Jethro
      January 7, 2016, 2:58 pm

      Yes, sure. She should move back to Israel, where the status quo enforcers (Jewish citizens) run through the streets screaming “death to leftists.”

    • Annie Robbins
      January 7, 2016, 3:06 pm

      entire family to move back to Israel.

      she’s never lived in israel.

      • Steve Grover
        January 7, 2016, 4:07 pm

        I believe you said her parents are Israeli. So, if her parents decide to move back to Israel then she would have to go too unless their is some interfering court decision like emancipation because she is a minor.
        Hopefully, she’ll want to serve happily in the IDF and not turn out as shamefully hateful towards Israel as Yoni Falic.

      • amigo
        January 7, 2016, 4:33 pm

        Hopefully, she’ll want to serve happily in the IDF and not turn out as shamefully hateful towards Israel as Yoni Falic.” Stephen Grover

        Are lobotomies still legal in Israel.

        It takes a pathetic Zionist wacko to suggest turning a perfectly well adjusted humanistic Jewish girl into a murdering lawless morally vacuous idf criminal.

      • YoniFalic
        January 7, 2016, 4:54 pm

        It takes years of indoctrination that starts before kindergarten to make settler invaders like my family okay with murdering little kids, and I was fortunate that my mother was never fully comfortable with the Zionist belief system.

      • jd65
        January 7, 2016, 9:33 pm

        I’m confused. “16 year old teenage activist from Fair Lawn, New Jersey studying at Fair Lawn High School…” And then “When Zionists expect me to be in favor of the Palestinian genocide because I’m an Israeli Jew.” I probably just missed something in the article, but which is it? Is she an Israeli, or is she from Jersey and currently going to H.S. there?

      • Annie Robbins
        January 8, 2016, 1:40 am

        jd65, she was raised in new jersey. and i think her parents were too but am not certain. i didn’t get into an extended conversation with her about it. she’s got israeli citizenship and has relatives there. that’s all i know.

      • Mooser
        January 8, 2016, 3:11 am

        “Hopefully, she’ll want to serve happily in the IDF and not turn out as shamefully hateful towards Israel as Yoni Falic.”

        So I should believe you, who’s never served anything except a watery drink, or I should believe Yoni, who actually served in the IDF?

      • jd65
        January 8, 2016, 12:27 pm

        “jd65, she was raised in new jersey. and i think her parents were too but am not certain… she’s got israeli citizenship and has relatives there. that’s all i know.”

        Thanks Annie. That doesn’t make anything more clear, but I guess it is what it is. If this young woman keeps getting attention and keeps up with ideas and information she’s putting across, she’ll likely sooner or later (I’d assume sooner) have to be clear about her statement that she’s “an Israeli Jew.” I’d hope/assume that if she keeps getting interviewed by other news sources, someone will ask her if she is “an Israeli Jew,” like she tweeted. Or how is she defining “Israeli.” Is she using that label as some sort of personal identity marker vs. using it for its normal legal/citizenship type of purpose? etc. Some people might think that this is not an important detail. I’m not one of them. She’s young. She’ll work it out.

    • Froggy
      January 7, 2016, 3:09 pm
  10. Marnie
    January 7, 2016, 12:08 pm

    Steve – you better have your nitro handy if you choose to watch this. Or not.


    Arabs and Jews protest ‘book ban’ with a kiss

    Video counters Education Ministry’s barring of Israeli-Palestinian love story from a curriculum reading list

    By Renee Ghert-Zand January 7, 2016, 6:25 pm

    “Time Out Tel Aviv responded to the Education Ministry’s barring from a reading list for high schoolers of a novel depicting an Israeli-Palestinian love story with a video showing Jews and Arabs locking lips.

    Like the original video, this new clip, titled, “Jews & Arabs Kiss,” shows ostensible strangers pairing up into couples for a kiss. It’s awkward and romantic, but in this case the creators aim to sell coexistence rather than clothing.

    “The best answer to another week of bloodshed, racism, censorship and existential angst is an opening of the heart to a photography project that defies sectors and boundaries,” wrote Time Out Tel Aviv in its introduction to the video.

    The magazine referred not only to the blocking of “Gader Haya” (translated as “Borderlife” in English) by Israeli author Dorit Rabinyan from the national high school curriculum, but also to last Friday’s murderous attack by an alleged Israeli Arab gunman on Dizengoff Street and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s subsequent speech, which criticized anti-Israel incitement by Israel’s Arab citizens and was itself criticized for its hostility to the Arab commumity.

    Israel’s attorney general announced on Monday that he will probe the Education Ministry’s decision to disqualify the book. In the meantime, the announcement of the book’s barring led to an exceptionally high demand at bookstores throughout the country, and to a subsequent concession by the ministry that the book can be taught in schools where teachers wish to do so.

    According to Time Out Tel Aviv, the pairs appearing in the video are either couples, friends or total strangers. In some cases the pairs are the same sex, and in others they are not.

    The magazine called the kissers “brave,” saying many of the people approached had refused to participate in the project given the charged climate and touchy subject.

    Each of the participants provided an explanation about why they decided to pucker up for the camera.

    “The experience was embarrassing and interesting. The political situation is shit. If only our life was beautiful here and there were more lovers and fewer haters,” said Stav Wexler, 23, who was paired up with her work friend Kais Tibi, 30, an economics student originally from the Palestinian village of Taybeh.

    Producer and editor Michal Kfir, 35, kissed with business administration student Bassem Hassan. Both live in Tel Aviv.

    “I didn’t know my kissing partner before. We went to buy vodka in the five minutes we had before the filming to calm us down, but it didn’t help. Bassem, the man I kissed, is amazing. To kiss with a stranger is a very intense experience. Now all that’s left is to see what will happen,” Kfir said.”

    • Annie Robbins
      January 7, 2016, 2:05 pm

      wow great video marnie, i may have to pull that for the home page.

      • Marnie
        January 7, 2016, 2:17 pm

        I’m sorry I hurried to post it and there was a better place to try (like the story about the banned book, duh) but after reading Steve’s post I lost my focus a bit. Not meant to detract or derail Bendy’s heroic story!

      • Annie Robbins
        January 7, 2016, 3:00 pm

        oh no worries!

      • John O
        January 7, 2016, 3:07 pm

        The video is currently (8pm UK time) on the Guardian website. I watched it there. It’s rather sweet.

      • Marnie
        January 8, 2016, 12:02 am

        Annie – there is only one actual couple, the last couple seen that are giggling. The rest are acquaintances or complete strangers.

        diasp0ra – thanks for your insight and I respect your feelings on this completely and agree. In no way did I post this as if to say “Everything’s fine!” when very little is. It hit me on a personal level with such unexpected emotion that I was crying way before it was through. I thought what a horrible world we live in where the love or the lust between 2 people can incite such hatred from others (i.e., Muslim/Jew love story banned from Israeli schools), and the fire of that hatred being constantly fanned by the ignorant, racist so-called “leaders” in our world. That last couple, a gay Muslim/Jew, live in Tel Aviv. A story was run on 972 about the building they live in. There was another resident in the apartment building who thought they should have to leave (they meaning the Muslim man) and had posted a notice about having a meeting about the very same. It kind of blew up in that person’s face because there was some backlash and then apologies to the couple, etc. They seem very happy.

        I guess it wasn’t so far off the mark posting it here. This is a story of a young woman who is showing love/respect for her fellow human beings; she sees a tremendous wrong and is making it loud and clear that she’s just not going for it.

        On another note, like others, kissing is such a lovely thing to see and there was some good kissing going on.

        No, it doesn’t change anything, but it got a lot of positive views before it was, no irony intended, removed from Facebook.

    • diasp0ra
      January 7, 2016, 2:45 pm

      I’m sort of iffy on this to be quite honest.

      It ignores history. You’re not going to kiss yourself out of an ideology that caused decades of ethnic cleansing and colonialism. You’re not going to kiss yourself out of institutional racism and subordination. This gives the illusion of equality between participants, as if everything can be discussed and worked through if people just got together and got over their prejudice.

      I understand that their hearts are in the right place but all of this distraction and diversion serves the crowd going “See! Israel is great just a few extremists ruin it.”

      • John O
        January 7, 2016, 3:11 pm

        You’re right. It’s not going to change much, any more than those inter-racial kisses in the 60s between Harry Belafonte and Petula Clark, or William Shatner and Nichelle Nicholls,did, but it plants a seed and waters it.

      • diasp0ra
        January 7, 2016, 3:56 pm

        @John O

        I don’t know if it’s even going to do that. It’s more of a “feel good about yourself” exercise than an actual “look at the roots of the problem” exercise.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 7, 2016, 6:22 pm

        i have not had time to read the article yet! but i like seeing people kiss. these are all real couples right? so they look happy, i like that. other than that i haven’t given it a lot of thought.

    • Steve Grover
      January 7, 2016, 4:32 pm

      Marnie,
      What makes you think you know how I feel about this? I don’t believe I have indicated my opinion about this subject. Since I believe Mondoweiss is Israel and Jew hating, I would never offer my opinion of this matter here.

      • Mooser
        January 7, 2016, 7:07 pm

        “Since I believe Mondoweiss is Israel and Jew hating, I would never offer my opinion of this matter here.”

        Oh, don’t try and cover it up, “Grovner”! Everybody knows a ‘bad hit’ and NUPV when they see it! You don a mask of false politeness, while each ‘bad hit’ and NUPV drags the site’s stats down.

      • Marnie
        January 8, 2016, 2:24 am

        Steve,
        I don’t know how you feel about this and just hope it bothers you, A LOT. What you’ve shared about how you feel about other things (“Mondoweiss is Israel and Jew hating”), I don’t want to get too close to what goes on in your head or how you feel anything at all. But here you’ve come and remain. Your posts are ridiculous and only meant to get negative attention that you seem to crave, much like MaxxxxxxxNarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I only wish you would just never again offer your opinion on any matter here again. But I might as well wish Netanyahu would wake up in the middle of the night and decide every decision he’s ever made WRT Palestine has been horribly, horribly wrong and he will spend the rest of what’s left of his life and Sara’s undoing the damage he caused, first by removing every stinking settler from Palestinian land. I have a dream!

    • RockyMissouri
      January 8, 2016, 10:45 am

      That was WONDERFUL..!!

      • Annie Robbins
        January 8, 2016, 2:09 pm

        i liked it too rocky

      • Marnie
        January 8, 2016, 3:10 pm

        Well now there are over 128,000 views on youtube.

        On another note Annie, loved your story on Bethany.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 8, 2016, 3:20 pm
      • lysias
        January 8, 2016, 3:34 pm

        Washington Post article mentions Mondoweiss. Is that a first?

      • Annie Robbins
        January 8, 2016, 3:55 pm

        wapo first citing our coverage as a source? possibly. but David Bernstein (clearly obsessed with phil and a regular reader no doubt) wrote yet another “Volokh Conspiracy” (wapo’s blog) article how we’re a hate site last may. phil was covered in the nyt once (called mondoweiss the US anti zionist hub). one of my scarlett sodastream articles made it into in new york magazine and our coverage of sandra tamari being harassed by israeli authorities and denied assistance by our embassy (as i recall) made it into AP and went viral after it came up at a state dept press briefing. that’s off the top of my head, but there have been a few circumstances for sure. you’d have to ask adam and phil, it’s likely they are better at remembering that stuff than me.

      • lysias
        January 8, 2016, 4:25 pm

        There’s also discussion of Mondoweiss in the comments section of the WaPo article.

        Lots of pro-Israel trolls appear in that comment section.

        I hope there aren’t complaints that get the reporter in trouble.

      • Marnie
        January 9, 2016, 4:05 am

        I just saw by looking at the Time-Out Tel Aviv, that produced the kissing video, that the men I called a couple, aren’t a couple. The Palestinian man lives in Tel Aviv and the Jewish man lives in Ra’anana. I guess I was wrong about them being an actual couple. This is why I can’t give up my day job. Will leave reporting to the experts. Sorry for the misinformation :(

  11. oldgeezer
    January 7, 2016, 12:20 pm

    Whether one agrees (I do) with her position or not it has to be admitted she is a very socially aware young lady. Kudos for her and extra kudos for her courage in the face of such obscene pressure.

    It’s all Israel and it’s supporters have as the facts are plainly not on it’s side of their fictional narrative.

  12. Kris
    January 7, 2016, 12:38 pm

    According to the NYT story http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/07/nyregion/anti-israel-tweets-land-new-jersey-student-in-principals-office.html?smid=tw-share , her parents “were afraid our house would be bombed or our cars would be vandalized.”

    That says a lot about the way they perceive the Jewish community that they are a part of.

    Excellent story, Annie, thank you!

    • ckg
      January 7, 2016, 1:52 pm

      Coincidentally, a house a couple doors down was pipe-bombed in June 2011. The local CBS affiliate interviewed Bethany and her mother:

      The explosive device damaged the truck in the driveway, leaving a deep dent in the asphalt, and sent shrapnel through the front of another house across the street, shattering a mirror and damaging the roof. No one was hurt. “I had a neighbor call me and tell me a car drove by very quickly and then she heard the boom,” neighbor Deb Koval said. Koval lives a couple of homes down. She said her 11-year-old daughter was so terrified she stayed home from school Monday. “I am really scared. I mean such things don’t happen in this quiet neighborhood,” Bethany Koval said. Another neighbor said he “heard a car with a slightly modified exhaust system” accelerate away from the scene. While investigations are focusing on the targeted house, there was damage to other homes on the street, including a hole in the siding of a house. “Why would someone do that? What’s the point?” Bethany Koval said.

      The incident was later linked to a motorcycle gang retaliating against a former member.

    • Ageel
      January 7, 2016, 2:13 pm

      That’s what exactly came to my mind! Reminds me of a tweet from a Jewish doctor.

      Dr. David Romei (@DavidRomeiPHD) in support of Benny tweeted

      “I’m Jewish too, but the hate for those of us who don’t tow the line of the ‘tribe’ is vicious.”

      Pretty much sums it up.

  13. MHughes976
    January 7, 2016, 12:39 pm

    Has the Principal given any explanation?

  14. Shmuel
    January 7, 2016, 12:56 pm

    Rather ironic, an adult in a position of authority bullying a 16-year-old in the name of anti-bullying laws/policies.

    My respect, Bethany.

    • Citizen
      January 7, 2016, 2:18 pm

      @Shmuel
      My, you are succinct. That’s it in a nutshell all right.

  15. AdamAW
    January 7, 2016, 1:21 pm

    Whoahaaaaay! BETH AN Y, BETH AN Y, BETH AN Y! A new hero of the Palestinian rights movement is born! What a hero! This story has really made my day. And she is so RIGHT to say that it is the hateful rhetoric against Hamas that made the terrorist mass bombing of Gaza possible – which was a politically motivated terrorist response to the Hamas PEACE initiative of seeking to form a unity government with Fatah and accepting the leadership of Abbas as the following time-line of events makes clear: https:[email protected][email protected]-keeper-and-operation-defensive-cfc80e375028#.qnf2unheq

    • Annie Robbins
      January 7, 2016, 2:15 pm

      yeah, i think she’s a hero too adam. she’s naturally courageous even in the face of being scared — and it is scary and unsettling for her even as she puts on a brave face. she’s just a teen albeit a very smart one. but she really didn’t anticipate any of this — at all.

      • Citizen
        January 7, 2016, 2:24 pm

        Her courageous ordeal is lighting up Twitter with sudden fans from around the world. OTOH, a self-styled Pro-Israeli adult family man blogger, originally from Australia, now living in Israel, wrote her up as a ridiculously naive & stupid kid with personal problems and tweeted to his fans.

    • lysias
      January 7, 2016, 4:00 pm

      U.S. government shares a lot of the blame, because it has declared Hamas (and Hezbollah!) terrorist organizations.

  16. Froggy
    January 7, 2016, 2:46 pm

    Deep and abiding respect for you, Bendy.

  17. Sycamores
    January 7, 2016, 2:51 pm

    Bethany Koval is a remarkable person for her age. it can’t be easy for Bethany Koval and her family at moment, my heart goes out to them.

    as for the New Jersey high school the sooner they make a formal apology to the Koval family and admit they over reacted the better. otherwise it will bring more bad publicity to their door which no school wants.

    Her parents were worried their home would be vandalized.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/07/nyregion/anti-israel-tweets-land-new-jersey-student-in-principals-office.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

    vandalized by who NYT? lets not be shy, if the Koval’s house was vandalized it would be by pro-Israeli thugs.
    an act of intended vandalizing to a family home by thugs is an act of terrorizing.

    • hophmi
      January 8, 2016, 11:28 am

      How many homes in Fair Lawn have been vandalized by other Jews? Exactly zero. Shut up already with this nonsense.

  18. okgoodvibes
    January 7, 2016, 2:58 pm

    I just want to echo the sentiments of @hophmi above:

    As a former student of the district, I would have to agree that Ms. Koval was likely called down to the administrator’s office because of this string of tweets: http://imgur.com/csCRqeN (screenshot taken from The Gothamist article on this same controversy.)

    Having witnessed HIB (Harassment, Intimidation, Bullying) policy being placed into effect in NJ post-Tyler Clementi, I can provide some insight as to how this process generally operates:

    One of Koval’s classmates (who disagreed with her views) was likely already upset with the content of her posts on twitter. Upon seeing the tweets linked above, the classmate knew that it was within her right to report that she felt intimidated to a school authority / counselor.

    At this point, the school is *obligated* to speak to both students assess the situation, document it and (if necessary) apply measures or warning in an attempt to discourage further conflict. If I recall correctly, even a teacher who simply overhears conversation about a conflict is responsible to report it to the administration.

    As Koval even mentions in her tweets, this is ‘not a very conservative school district’; in fact, plenty of young activists have graduated from Fair Lawn High School. That being said, there are strict systems in place intended to minimize incidents in the formative and often turbulent years of young people. (Whether or not those systems are effective or the right solution is a different discussion.)

    The principle at work here is that if a student speaks up that they are feeling negative because of another students words or actions, the process reduces institutional liability by documenting an attempt to keep the peace and prevent further incidence between both parties that could potentially lead to a more serious situation.

    *For reference: My 10-year-old cousin in the same district was HIB reported for her group of friends not allowing a girl to sit with them at a lunch table. Seriously.*

    Bethany is fully entitled to the views that she has, and I fully stand behind her right to speak up and share them. However, I think it’s important to remember that she and her peers are teenagers, still growing, learning together and butting heads like every generation before them.

    It’s easy to sensationalize this as another example of institutional oppression toward a pro-Palestine-activist.

    Perhaps a more simple truth is that Bethany, like many her age, was being a little inflammatory toward another student online, was pinched by what’s essentially a code of conduct, and is now – with the power of the internet – rallying the immense passion behind a very serious issue to escalate her situation.

    My opinion:

    Bethany seems to me like a sharp, strongly opinionated, young lady – well versed in policy and current events. I would wager that she is well aware of HIB policy in the district, how casually it can be invoked, and how rarely it ever results in an expulsion. Given that, her attributing the accusations against her to the school administration’s “pro-israel, pro-censorship agenda” is entirely hyperbole that serves her victimization.

    (In my time at school, “HIB!” was ubiquitously half-jokingly used by students as a euphemism for tattling on someone messing with you. In many classic teenage situations, it’s basically a red tape time-out that you want to avoid by simply being nice.)

    Finally, speaking as an Israeli Jew who shares some of her views, I don’t think that “…FUCK ISRAEL FUCK ISRAEL FUCK ISRAEL…” is the kind of thoughtful free expression that is benefitting anyone, and definitely not deserving of a mob to get her out of an HIB.

    I hope for her sake this blows over soon and she can resume her time at school peacefully.

    • eljay
      January 7, 2016, 3:10 pm

      || okgoodvibes @ January 7, 2016, 2:58 pm ||

      Thank for the thought-provoking (and, tone-wise, even-keeled) post, okgoodvibes.

    • Eva Smagacz
      January 7, 2016, 3:45 pm

      Thank you for another perspective on the incident. Without that insight, my view of it would have been less objective.

      • MHughes976
        January 7, 2016, 4:17 pm

        I still think that in view of the publicity a statement from the Principal would be useful to the public in the same way as a statement from each of the conflicting parties might have been useful to him. If he approached both students without indicating that he was on the side of either one he may have been acting fairly. The video of intimidation didn’t play for me, so I may have missed important information. There is a possible constructive outcome in the form of wider discussion of the topic at school level.

    • Citizen
      January 7, 2016, 4:42 pm

      As I understand the facts at his time, and so far, the girl who reported Bethany took her discomfort to school because Bethany did not tweet at school. Bethany’s tweets were critical of Israeli conduct, many complete with sources she got from an online Israeli newspaper. Bethany did not tweet the FUCK ISRAEL stuff until after she was “called on the carpet” by the school authorities. The complainer’s name was never mentioned in Bethany’s tweets, nor was she personally attacked by them. We don’t know if the school interrogator made a slightly veiled threat to file a HIB report to the other girl, as he did with Bethany. At any rate, it seems to me an abuse of the NJ anti-bully law (and an attempt to suppress constitutionally protected speech due to its content) for a state actor to threaten a student with it merely because the complainer felt personally hurt because of Bethany’s political tweets directed exclusively at the state of Israel.

      • okgoodvibes
        January 7, 2016, 6:09 pm

        What you’re saying is mostly correct, no direct names were said, nor were there personal attacks – legally speaking nothing is wrong here.

        However, being that these are students attending a high school, enrollment is contingent on codes of conduct and policies that must be followed. If there is a situation between two students (verbal, online, or even hearsay), and one person complains to anyone who works at the school – even offhand to a teacher because he/she’s stressed – an HIB report *must* be created.

        They talk to both students, and have them both document their sides of the story, and assess from there to mediate the conflict. This very, very, rarely results in expulsion.

        This is a very known strict policy that every student is made aware of, and something she shouldn’t be surprised happened. They both seem to have made inflammatory remarks at each other, and it’s likely they’ll both be reprimanded. And as far as I’m concerned, that’s OK.

        I think the goal here is for these two people to resolve their conflict, agree to disagree, leave each other be, and graduate high school happily and successfully.

      • YoniFalic
        January 7, 2016, 6:39 pm

        After having grown up in Israel, I don’t see how supporting Israel is any different from supporting Jim Crow or racial slavery.

        The HIB system does not work in the face of supporters of racism, whether the supporters are white racists or “Jewish” racists.

        The school district may have to bite the bullet and ban all white racists and all supporters of the State of Israel.

        To tell the truth, it has already been discussed on Mondoweiss. The State of Israel has become an intrinsic component of US white racist ideology.

      • hophmi
        January 8, 2016, 11:30 am

        “The school district may have to bite the bullet and ban all white racists and all supporters of the State of Israel”

        Yes. Here is what BDS supports in its pure form: the banning of most Jews from public spaces.

      • Mooser
        January 8, 2016, 1:40 pm

        “Yes. Here is what BDS supports in its pure form: the banning of most Jews from public spaces. “

        Pssst! Hey, “Hophmi”, c’mon, have you forgotten already what Annie told you about your comments being a view of your own mind?

        Although, gee, I must admit, if if “mostJews” were banned from public spaces, it’d sure help the cohesiveness and continuity of our, ah… our, um… well, whatever it is. If we can’t get out and meet ’em, we can’t marry ’em.
        We could all sit around in our private Jewish spaces and do what “Hophmi” says! Hooray!

    • Annie Robbins
      January 7, 2016, 6:13 pm

      Perhaps a more simple truth is that Bethany, like many her age, was being a little inflammatory toward another student online, was pinched by what’s essentially a code of conduct, and is now – with the power of the internet – rallying the immense passion behind a very serious issue to escalate her situation.

      simple perhaps, but i don’t believe that’s the most accurate assessment. i think bethany got into a friendly discussion during her holiday break with a friend over the internet about i/p and the topic of hamas came up. word got out and she started getting some negative hostile feedback, a lot of it actually. to counter it she published an informative thread and that resulted in pissing off some people even more, who were hostile to her when school started up again. i think she was very nervous about returning to school because, for one thing, there are not many who share her views in her (very jewish) suburb. i think she had a small online community of close friends, but not many nearby whereas, the person she felt intimidated by had a group of kids backing her up. and she feared for her safety.

      i also think she got targeted with some very hostile rude tweets from a professional troll (because i read a bunch from the week before). when i began writing this post yesterday i intercepted a hideous tweet to bethany calling her a nazi and telling her to go die and worse. i drafted it immediately (for the article) as an example of the things people were writing to her. she responded very maturely, but it can’t be easy getting these kinds of vicious emails. 10 minutes later when i refreshed the tweet had been deleted. i immediately tweeted benny and asked if she has gotten a screenshot of it but didn’t hear back from her.

      plus, there are circumstances w/kids where they open social media accounts say threatening things, and then delete the accounts. i don’t know if that’s happened here and didn’t ask, but i know it’s happened to palestinian activists in the past, not that long ago actually — death threats, and i don’t think it was taken seriously — at all. it was from facebook and could have been traced but authorities didn’t press hard enough. and it wasn’t a small death threat either, it was campus threatening, a warning to end the activism. pro israel activist can be vicious, and their threats are not taken seriously.

      some people just don’t run to the principal to solve their social problems. they just don’t. i think it is extremely unlikely the offense in this tweet:

      https://twitter.com/bendykoval/status/681038459360948224

      was the major issue. or the one that came right after it. i think they became opportunities. and while they are not wonderful tweets, since we have only a sketchy idea what kind of harassment she experienced, we should not assume her intent or thoughts other than what she’s told us. and i really don’t think she’s trying to escalate her situation from the conversation i had with her, that wasn’t my impression at all.

      i think she’s 16 and when i ask her point blank if she was prepared to be a celebrity her response was a little surprised, firm and immediate. then i said well, what if it happens anyway like what happened to ahmed (clock) where he got asked to be on tv broadcasts and stuff (i don’t think she was prepared for this question) and she said she didn’t want to be the face of the movement. all of this caught her by surprise. you can try and try to make twitter storms and get lots of attention on twitter and have it all go flop. i don’t think she expected this big of response. and if you go back and read her tweets late at night to her friend — she was nervous and worried about going to school and having to confront these kids (and they were “them”, a few of them) she said she was “SMOL”(meaning small) and “alone”. and it was very much about her beliefs she was targeted for. kids act all cool sometime but inside, i think she was genuinely worried. back before this became megaphoned.

      and whether you think FUCK ISRAEL is thoughtful free expression that’s beneficial, especially in the middle of her holiday break, is not important. what’s important is that our right to say it is protected.

      • lysias
        January 7, 2016, 6:41 pm

        One of my brothers lives in Fair Lawn, so I visit there fairly often. I can confirm that it is very Jewish.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 7, 2016, 7:26 pm

        yep, that’s what i read.

      • okgoodvibes
        January 7, 2016, 6:51 pm

        That link isn’t working for me so I’m afraid I can’t see the tweet in question :(

        I sympathize with a lot of what you’re saying here.

        I think it’s incredibly unfortunate that she’s garnered so much attention over this. What should have been a simple matter became an element of an enormous and very serious issue.

        She does live in a suburb with many Jewish people, most of them pro-Israel, and this amount of media attention over her political views is a reveal that is not going to be easy. The sheer amount of horrible things people will send her over the internet who don’t even know her is going to be immensely stressful.

        Did other students say things that would fall under HIB to her? Probably, yes! I would not be surprised at all if that’s the case, and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they were reprimanded as well, and they should be.

        Here is where you lose me:

        You mention “some people don’t go to the principal to solve their social problems, they just don’t”

        While I understand that some people “just don’t” do that, I think it was a mistake and not an excuse. In NJ, at FLHS, students are encouraged to speak to a parent, teacher, counselor, administrator, etc. In any kind of event where someone or some group of people is making them uncomfortable at school.

        What should have been a conflict and twitter feud between two teenagers resolved by counselors and parents at school became a viral fabricated political conflict directly resulting from her going to the internet instead of going to her parents.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 7, 2016, 7:28 pm

        oh, i am sorry about the tweet not working. it opened fine for me. it’s the same one you screenshot. let me try this:

      • Annie Robbins
        January 7, 2016, 7:33 pm

        Here is where you lose me:

        You mention “some people don’t go to the principal to solve their social problems, they just don’t”

        While I understand that some people “just don’t” do that, I think it was a mistake and not an excuse.

        it may have been a mistake not to go report it, yes. i would have. but teenagers are teenagers. just because kids are encouraged to do things doesn’t mean they do. hopefully this experience will bring her relationship with her parents closer. not all parents are that accessible about all topics. same with kids.

        What should have been a conflict and twitter feud between two teenagers resolved by counselors and parents at school became a viral fabricated political conflict

        no, it should not have been a twitter feud between two teenagers. bethany did not engage the other student over this issue as i understand it. and i’m not sure if or how the other student engaged bethany online. i did see something bethany screenshot that offended her but it could have been from a cell phone or text message. i’m not a techie and i don’t even have a cell phone. i think bethany got word there was a storm brewing over her conversation with someone else (her friend). even when bethany went online to clarify her ptv, she didn’t send it to this person or direct it to her.

        i didn’t ask her about those kinds of details. but it seems to me from what i’ve observed, bethany was very offended by being told she didn’t have a right to say what she was saying politically. as if the topic of israel was not in her domain because she was not a zionist. so — whether the person told her directly she wasn’t jewish or whether that was implied, i don’t know. but those kinds of identity issues can be very painful/weird/offensive for kids.

        it’s been so long since i was a teenager. it’s hard to put my head inside that mindframe because it’s so different. but i do remember everything seemed very magnified. all my emotions. and bethany is (clearly) a naturally emotional person. (she was literally sobbing when she found out her question to bernie sanders got chosen for national TV the night before.) she’s also very passionate about gun control. so it meant something to her that her idea got out there. it’s possible this is not a person who takes things lightly. and people like that can be more vulnerable to a predator type mentality. teenage girls can be some of the most vicious! of course i don’t know the other girl. but something about her doesn’t strike me as the wallflower type.

        plus, given all the attention focused on israel and bds right now, there’s been a of of encouragement to defend israel. so we don’t know how much, or if any, that played. there’s too much that we don’t know. but it seems certain she wants to be able to express her political beliefs. there should be a way she can do that without being interrupted if she’s not directing those beliefs at a particular student, which she clearly wasn’t.

        (edit) p.s. i am not sure what you mean by “fabricated”, i think the events happened somewhat naturally. nowadays kids live online, it’s part of their natural process. and they record a lot.

    • RoHa
      January 7, 2016, 6:51 pm

      “One of Koval’s classmates (who disagreed with her views) was likely already upset with the content of her posts on twitter. Upon seeing the tweets linked above, the classmate knew that it was within her right to report that she felt intimidated ”

      It seems to me that Bendy was tweeting her political views, and another student with differing political views felt upset at seeing Bendy’s views. From the little I know of the situation, it does not look although that student was being attacked either physically or verbally.

      American schools and their policies are beyond my comprehension, so I cannot see how this constitutes harassment, intimidation, or bullying in the plain meaning of the terms. Would the school take the same sort of action if one student expressed support for a sports team, and a supporter of another team was upset at hearing it?

      • okgoodvibes
        January 8, 2016, 3:21 am

        Well, yes and no.

        So in your example of sports teams:

        Upon the upset student complaining that they felt intimidated/harassed/distressed to an employee of the school, YES an HIB report would be created and it would be assessed under the normal protocol because they’re obligated to examine it…but NO that would not be deemed HIB.

        So here’s where this situation differs (that it seems every media source is choosing to downplay in favor of the more sensational political one):

        The comments actually in question are not her political ones at all.

        It’s the second set of tweets here: http://imgur.com/csCRqeN where another user asks who is disagreeing/altercating with Bethany so he can ‘square up and fight’. Bethany responds excitedly that she is sending that user the names of those people. In fact, when asked about it, she admits that she DID send that user names, but that “it was obviously just a joke” (that’s me paraphrasing here but her real quote was along those lines).

        The problem here is: saying you didn’t mean it/ it was a joke doesn’t excuse sending names of students online in that context – and it would be within reason/precedent for a student to claim they were intimidated by that, EVEN if her name wasn’t directly mentioned publicly (given the context.)

        And it probably was entirely a joke, too! But students are well aware that public online jokes like that can get you into some tight trouble with the new state law. Teenagers make the mistake of saying things online all the time and land in these situations.

        But that’s not the story that gets people rallied and riled up, so instead most places are reporting that the case is being evaluated because of her anti-israel statements, and summoning the masses to argue about it. In reality, I can guarantee you the administration doesn’t care about that and simply has to assess what’s actually in the book as HIB.

        Reminder: Was Bethany likely treated in a similar way by her peers? Yes, and with due diligence they will be treated equally under the same system.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 8, 2016, 4:20 am

        And it probably was entirely a joke, too! But students are well aware that public online jokes like that can get you into some tight trouble with the new state law. Teenagers make the mistake of saying things online all the time and land in these situations.

        so you mean the person who started spreading rumors about bethany and was offended by her activism was well aware that online jokes could get brethany into some tight trouble with the new state law? so all someone would really have to do is watch very closely tweet tons of stuff, get a whole teem behind you watching and sit in wait, til she screwed up. because i could see that as “fabrication”, for sure.

        i think fundamentally where we differ is that while your emphasis and where your general defense lies (w/media choosing to downplay in favor of the more “sensational” political one) is revealed here:

        The comments actually in question are not her political ones at all….the administration doesn’t care about that and simply has to assess what’s actually in the book as HIB.

        this story, at the heart of it, is not what the administration cares about. they are a side show and here’s why. they are the middle man, the apparatus. if you follow that tweet

        (not your screenshot of it but the real tweet which is why i left it for you in the comment, click the time stamp and you can read the whole conversation in context) is the person who initiated the whole thing says

        plus, if you go to her twitter feed, this “Ph.D in bein Ugly” it is very clear she is a drama queen into action figures. how threatening is this poster really. would it occur to you to be scared? prolly not.

        my concern, and the concern of people in this movement, is that the people defending israel and coming up w/pr/strategies to fight for israel are doing it thru the courts. they have a literally limitless budget. 100 million from israel and that’s a drop in the bucket. it’s called lawfare. if your goal is to bring someone down, why not do it legally thru “assessed under the normal protocol because they’re obligated to examine it” and make it nothing about the political?

        seriously, they don’t care how to shut you up, they just want to (seriously) smear you and make it happen. so while you might think this is just some school matter over the so called “threat”, which could be legit given the law, don’t think for one split second the school and state examining this are not going to be hounded by pro israel advocates to have her punished. and i am not talking the just jewish mother writing letters, i am talking a well oiled machine designed to bring people down. not unlike salaita. not for one second. they are using lawfare all over the US to shut up activist. go to palestine legal and read about it. or read this: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/knesset-israeli-isolation

        this is not about the school board examining this like every other case. and the media making it “sensational” this is a minefield of paranoia by palestine advocates with a long long history of being harassed and shut down. and to assume, bethany’s adversaries were not well aware of this law and used it to their advantage to criminalize something they started because they didn’t like her tweets, is naive. it’s not about the administration, it’s about the law and how it’s being used (or could potentially be used) against political advocates for palestine — whether you or anyone likes that or not. we’re in a war and this is the battlefield.

      • YoniFalic
        January 8, 2016, 4:33 am

        Here is the full conversation.

        https://twitter.com/bendykoval/status/679829455100080128?lang=en

        The idiomatic usages are somewhat beyond me, but it seems some racist Zionist was trying to intimidate Bendy, and Bendy expressed her refusal to be intimidated — something that received support from Bendy’s twitter friends.

        It appears that Bendy is a bully because she resisted the standard Zionist bully tactics that I myself have experienced both in Israel and in the USA since I began to explain why Zionism is evil (just like racial slavery) and why all decent people must oppose the continued existence of the State of Israel and those racists that support the state.

        The Zionist racists in Fair Lawn seem to have developed a strategy to manipulate the HIB rules in exactly the same way that Zionists have manipulated US anti-racist laws and rules in the effort to stamp out both completely legitimate opposition to Zionist racism and also all efforts to teach the real history of Zionist crimes.

      • YoniFalic
        January 8, 2016, 4:43 am
      • YoniFalic
        January 8, 2016, 4:56 am

        BTW, anti-SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) rules are meant to stymie groups that use massive amounts of funding to stifle public discussion.

      • RoHa
        January 8, 2016, 6:21 am

        Now I’m more confused than ever, perhaps partly because I can’t speak Twitter.

        Was it Bendy or someone else who sent the names and then said it was a joke?

      • tree
        January 8, 2016, 5:54 pm

        okgoodvibes

        It’s the second set of tweets here: link to imgur.com where another user asks who is disagreeing/altercating with Bethany so he can ‘square up and fight’. Bethany responds excitedly that she is sending that user the names of those people. In fact, when asked about it, she admits that she DID send that user names, but that “it was obviously just a joke” (that’s me paraphrasing here but her real quote was along those lines).

        – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/teenager-threatened-palestine#sthash.SiEE2uM9.dpuf

        From your link: Koval said she did message the girl’s name to L_Chevere, a classmate, “but of course it didn’t go farther. She didn’t even know the girl”

        Your explanation about the vice principal intervening because of the tweet you mentioned could make some sense here EXCEPT that the girl that tweeted Bendy that she was “ready for a fight” was a classmate of Bendy’s at the same school (according to your own link above) and yet she was apparently not called in to the vice principal’s office. If this was a concern about “bullying” because of a “threat” of a fight, then certainly the classmate who made this comment should have been called in as well, or even called in first.

        The vice principal clearly states, while pressuring Bendy to make a statement, that if she doesn’t make a statement it will be only the complaining student’s word on the record, which to me indicates that the issue that the vice principal was addressing had nothing to do with the direct message Bendy made to another student and friend and had more to do with he political statements. Otherwise there woud be a statement from the friend she DM’d as well.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 9, 2016, 6:22 am

        smart tree, as usual.

  19. Eva Smagacz
    January 7, 2016, 3:38 pm

    I must say, that I have a lot of positive feelings towards parents of Bethany…..
    You do not become so courageous, so aware, so able to feel other people’s suffering, and so able to put oneself in other people’s shoes unless you have a family background that that promotes your sense of fairness and justice, and equally very strong sense of self, and self-worth that allowed Bethany to stand her ground.

  20. DoubleStandard
    January 7, 2016, 7:23 pm

    She was sent to the principal for threatening to send out the name of a classmate who unfollowed her.

    While her tweets are vile and perhaps not surprising from a high school girl who wants to be fed “fascist tears,” that’s not what landed her in hot water.

    She is clearly desperate for attention, and guess what, she got it. I’m sure she’s laughing about how easy it is to get 15 minutes of fame.

    • Froggy
      January 8, 2016, 7:22 am

      Do you think that Sophie Scholl

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Scholl

      and the other young adults that made up the White Rose

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose

      did what they did because they were ‘vile’ and ‘desperate for attention’?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose

      Bendy has chosen to stand up against organised zionism, and that looks pretty brave to me.

      • RockyMissouri
        January 8, 2016, 11:00 am

        Excellent perspective.

        Thank you.

      • hophmi
        January 8, 2016, 11:36 am

        Yeah, Froggy, she’s Sophie Scholl. Seems like the kind of comparison that someone who denies the existence of antisemitism in Europe would make.

        “Bendy has chosen to stand up against organised zionism, and that looks pretty brave to me.”

        Why is it brave? What’s she risking? A little ribbing by a few of her classmates? Support from classmates who agree with her political views? OMG, she risked a mean girl saying something not nice. That’s totally putting her life on the line like Sophie Scholl.

        I thought, according to Mondoweiss, Israel hate was progressive orthodoxy now. Elite campuses are no-go zones for proud Zionists. Jews in France can’t cover their heads because it’s unsafe. But this girl is the brave one.

      • YoniFalic
        January 8, 2016, 1:04 pm

        I have never had a problem in France or among Arabs or Muslims even though I am a former Israeli because I always make clear that I hate the State of Israel and Zionists with every molecule of my body and invariably point out that I support Palestinians without reservation and without qualification in their struggle against vile invaders like my family.

      • German Lefty
        January 8, 2016, 4:04 pm

        @ hophmi “That’s totally putting her life on the line like Sophie Scholl.”

        Yes, it is. Character assassination is also a form of assassination. Or in German: Rufmord (= reputation murder) is also a form of Mord (= murder). The German politician Wolfgang Gehrcke wrote a book titled “Rufmord”. It’s about how German left-wingers who speak out against Israel’s crimes are silenced by accusations of anti-Semitism. And the Left Party isn’t even opposed to Zionism. It merely opposes the occupation. So, even so-called “liberal Zionists” have to deal with character assassination from the right.
        http://www.amazon.de/Rufmord-Antisemitismus-Kampagne-gegen-Kleine-Bibliothek/dp/3894385863/

      • Keith
        January 8, 2016, 5:59 pm

        HOPHMI- “Elite campuses are no-go zones for proud Zionists.”

        What happened? Did the Harvard Law School appoint a Gentile Dean? Are you sure? If so, boy are they going to hear about that!

        HOPHMI-“Jews in France can’t cover their heads because it’s unsafe.”

        Are all of those European laws criminalizing anti-Semitism (including criticizing Israel) counterproductive? Is prosecuting Alain Soral and Dieudonne not working as anticipated? Why not get rid of these Zionist inspired laws criminalizing anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial and get along without special laws like the rest of us? The notion that Jews are relatively unsafe in either Europe of the US is absurd. And you can forget those bogus “hate crime” statistics, what is the murder rate per 1000 for Jews versus other groups such as Arabs? In the US, how many Jews (particularly unarmed Jews) were killed by police in 2015 versus Blacks? Any other group which you would like to compare to? You are a Zionist propagandist attempting to control the narrative with lies and deceptions. A core component of Zionism is anti-Gentilism, part of the myth of eternal and irrational victimhood which you so lovingly embrace. The gilded victimhood of the powerful. The charge of anti-Semitism (Jew hatred?) a weapon of intimidation.

      • Mooser
        January 8, 2016, 6:33 pm

        “Why is it brave? What’s she risking? A little ribbing by a few of her classmates?”

        “Hophmi” dude, do you really think you should be emphasizing how little (in fact, none) power of compulsion or coercion Zionism has over non-Israeli Jews? And how little a rejection of Zionism will cost Ms. Koval? Is that in your interest?

      • lysias
        January 8, 2016, 6:41 pm

        Did the Harvard Law School appoint a Gentile Dean?

        No, Martha Minow is still dean.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 8, 2016, 6:57 pm

        Seems like the kind of comparison that someone who denies the existence of antisemitism in Europe would make.

        hops is like the ultimate segue master. he can cram anti semitism into just about anything. david green got nuthin’ on him.

      • Keith
        January 8, 2016, 7:03 pm

        LYSIAS- “No, Martha Minow is still dean.”

        And before that? Jeez, I hope all of these Jews are getting combat pay what with all of the anti-Semitism and anti-Zionist intimidation on the elite campuses. How is Larry Summers doing these days? Here we are on the verge of a second Holocaust and not a word from Mondoweiss! Go figure. If not for Hophmi, how would we know? Even CounterPunch is silent. An anti-Semitic conspiracy involving the usual suspects?

      • Mooser
        January 9, 2016, 12:18 am

        “HOPHMI- “Elite campuses are no-go zones for proud Zionists.”

        I know, “Hophmi” I know! Why, one Hillel wanted to hold a Homecoming Baby-Picture-Stabbing Dance, in proud Zionist tradition, but the school wouldn’t rent them the gym!

      • hophmi
        January 10, 2016, 10:32 am

        You guys continue to deny reality. It’s OK. Outside the cult, no one takes you seriously.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 10, 2016, 11:00 am

        Elite campuses are no-go zones for proud Zionists

        it’s not that they are no-go zones hops, it’s just that proud zionists have no place in the movement of intersectionality — which is growing rapidly on campuses all across the country — and not just on elite campuses. and you can hear the howls about that coming right from the top: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/jewish-civil-heats

        Outside the cult, no one takes you seriously.

        actually, we’re being taken very very seriously. if you don’t believe me, open the link and read the 4 articles jvp students linked to in their statement. if that, and michael oren’s “legal and hasbara Iron Dome.”, isn’t proof of being taken seriously, i don’t know what is.

      • eljay
        January 10, 2016, 1:09 pm

        || hophmi: … Outside the cult, no one takes you seriously. ||

        As a hateful and immoral Zio-supremacist committed to advocating, justifying, supporting and/or defending Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine as well as related past and on-going (war) crimes, you are very much in a position to know all about cults.

      • Mooser
        January 10, 2016, 1:31 pm

        “You guys continue to deny reality. It’s OK. Outside the cult, no one takes you seriously.”

        Yup, they all know that “Hophmi is on the case” and he will invalidate Mondo completely in it’s very own comment section! Hoist by their own retread!

    • tony greenstein
      January 8, 2016, 9:15 am

      Your name is well chosen. Double standards is indeed your motif. The land of the free jumps down the throat of a 16 year old girl for having the audacity not to repeat the normal newspeak that pours forth from the corporate media.

    • Mooser
      January 8, 2016, 4:21 pm

      “I’m sure she’s laughing about how easy it is to get 15 minutes of fame.”

      Not to mention her exclusion from the community. She won’t laugh so hard when she finds out there’s only 7 billion other people in the world she can go to!

  21. Kay24
    January 7, 2016, 9:40 pm

    In the land of free speech, a young lady who has been factually correct in what she says, is penalized because what she said is about the only nation whose policies cannot be spoken about, mentioned, or criticized. Wow.

    If she had criticized US policies, or insulted the President, it would have been okay.

    I am ashamed that his happened in NJ and that the school system has intellectually challenged officials. On the other hand, I am glad they are the minority.

    • Marnie
      January 8, 2016, 12:11 am

      @Kay24

      Can you imagine the positive vibrations she would have received if she’d tweeted something to the effect of “Bibi for President of the United States! FUCK OBAMA, FUCK OBAMA”. Although, judging from the posts on other types of (anti) social media, it wouldn’t have stood out at all. Shame on them.

      • Kay24
        January 8, 2016, 7:12 am

        Oh Bibi cannot do any wrong, even when he insulted the US President, manipulated the spineless congress, and tried to sabotage Obama’s nuclear talks with Iran. Israel is also
        the beacon of shining light, and not one negative word is tolerated in our nation, especially the media. Yes, shame on all those who keeps kissing up to Israel’s large behind.

  22. Sally Parker
    January 7, 2016, 10:26 pm

    This is scary. It looks like the Patriot Act has done its work. A school principal feels entitled to threaten Benny with a lawsuit for what she said over the Internet not what she said in a face-to-face encounter with another student on school grounds. Furthermore Benny’s Internet tweets contained no recognizable physical threats to another student’s safety. Benny can be threatened with a lawsuit for challenging someone’s ego or worldview. Whatever happened to free speech?
    I remember the time when people could say “Fuck America” or even “Fuck Israel” and not expect to be charged with a crime. We used to be proud to have a country that allowed free speech, even opinionated speech. What happened?

    • hophmi
      January 8, 2016, 11:11 am

      Has nothing to do with the Patriot Act. Has to do with anti-bullying legislation, and no, Benny isn’t subject to any lawsuit, or subject to being charged with a crime.

  23. plumskiter
    January 8, 2016, 10:00 am

    Bethany’s parents would do well to heed the advice of Evelyn Beatrice Hall (biographer of Voltaire) who said: I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

    Kudos to you Bethany. When will people stop conflating criticism of Israeli public policy with anti-Semitism? Israeli public policy is bad. Anti-semitism is bad. The ability to criticize a government, any government, is a foundation of freedom. One is not unpatriotic for criticizing the US government, and one is not anti-Semitic for opposing Israeli policies and actions towards Palestinians.

    • Mooser
      January 8, 2016, 12:59 pm

      ” and one is not anti-Semitic for opposing Israeli policies and actions towards Palestinians.”

      Umm, what about a person who thinks Zionism was a loser from the git-go, a corrupt fraud on the world and Jews, and Judaism can only be destroyed by it? Another words, somebody who thinks there shouldn’t be an “Israel” to make policy “towards Palestinians”?

      • Curatica
        January 8, 2016, 2:58 pm

        While this is a legitimate viewpoint, or better said, THE legitimate viewpoint, the idea will certainly not suit many Jewish sympathizers of the Palestinian cause. This website is probably populated mostly by irreligious people, however, I heard this idea expressed quite convincingly by Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss. But–Jewish or not, one needs to be a religious man in order to apprehend it and be convinced by its legitimacy.

      • Philemon
        January 9, 2016, 8:58 pm

        Well, Curatica, I ain’t a religious man, but I get it.

      • Philemon
        January 9, 2016, 9:39 pm

        Well, maybe I don’t get it the way somebody who was religious would.

        But I can see how damaging it would be to your religion’s credibility to go violating your religion’s most fundamental principles.

  24. Kris
    January 8, 2016, 10:41 am

    Here’s another courageous young woman: http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/09/06/history-professor-denies-native-genocide-native-student-disagrees-gets-expelled-course . (Thanks to yoni for the link.)

    In this case, the young woman is standing up against holocaust denial at Cal State Sacramento University.

  25. German Lefty
    January 8, 2016, 11:00 am

    It’s a mystery to me how schools in the USA can punish their students for expressing politicial views outside of school. Schools in the USA have way too much power over their students. The same applies to universities in the USA.

    • hophmi
      January 8, 2016, 11:13 am

      They can’t. They can punish students for bullying one another in school, regardless of their political views, and do. The United States is in the midst of an anti-bullying fetish, and this is a byproduct of that. The girl answered someone on twitter who indicated that they wanted to fight by offering to name the student she didn’t like. That kind of thing gets school administrators frightened in a country where school violence is too routine.

      • YoniFalic
        January 8, 2016, 12:29 pm

        In the context of intimidation by racist genocide-supporting Zionists, such a reaction cannot be justified. The sharing of names of Zionist thugs among anti-Zionists is a natural defense against Zionist bullies.

        Take a look at how the Canary Mission broadcasts the names and the pictures of those targeted for repercussions from Zionists.

        http://canarymission.org/individuals/

      • German Lefty
        January 8, 2016, 2:29 pm

        @ hophmi
        Pro-Israel people are usually open about and proud of being pro-Israel. So, offering the name of a pro-Israel person cannot be considered bullying.
        Besides, I assume that the “fight” you talk about refers to a Twitter fight with words, not to a physical fight with fists or knifes. And a Twitter discussion about politics cannot be regarded as bullying.

      • German Lefty
        January 8, 2016, 2:33 pm

        “They can punish students for bullying one another in school.”

        But Twitter is on the internet, not in school.

      • Citizen
        January 8, 2016, 4:11 pm

        @ German Lefty

        I think the NJ anti-bully statute authorizes the school to get involved, with the Statutory right to file under it, when the initial incidents(s), here the tweets, happened off school premises but the affair was carried onto said premises.

      • Keith
        January 9, 2016, 3:32 pm

        YONIFALIC- “Take a look at how the Canary Mission broadcasts the names and the pictures of those targeted for repercussions from Zionists.”

        Thanks for the link. Rather shocking how these anti-BDS Zionists can engage in hateful intimidation in the name of combating hate. And they are such liars! And the unmitigated gall of commenter Hophmi turning reality on its head by claiming that it is Jews who are subject to intimidation on elite campuses! I have copied the first two bullet points from the Canary Mission “About” page for the edification of other Mondoweissers. These people are truly nasty! This is the work of those with power against those unable to meaningfully retaliate.

        “Canary Mission is run by students and concerned citizens motivated by a desire to combat the rise in anti-Semitism on college campuses. The purpose of the website is to expose those who promote lies and attacks on Israel and the Jewish people. We pursue our mission by presenting the actions and records of individuals and organizations at the vanguard of the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divest, and Sanctions (BDS) movement. By shining a light on hate group members and their activities, the public will become better informed about those involved in hate movements in their communities.

        Canary Mission believes that we all have the right to know if an individual has been affiliated with movements that seek the destruction of Israel, routinely engage in anti-Semitic rhetoric and actions, and promote hatred of Jews.” http://canarymission.org/about/

      • hophmi
        January 11, 2016, 12:19 pm

        I’m not sure how Canary Mission undermines my argument. It puts pictures of kids engaged in anti-Israel activism on the internet, where you can already find pictures of kids engaged in anti-Israel activism. So far, I’m not aware of any chilling effect.

        What does have a chilling effect is when kids on campus have their events blockaded, which is a regular tactic of the BDS movement, or when anti-Israel kids scream “Long live the Intifada,” which is tantamount to supporting terrorist violence against innocent Jewish Israeli civilians.

      • Keith
        January 11, 2016, 7:27 pm

        HOPHMI- “I’m not sure how Canary Mission undermines my argument. It puts pictures of kids engaged in anti-Israel activism on the internet, where you can already find pictures of kids engaged in anti-Israel activism. So far, I’m not aware of any chilling effect.”

        It amazes me that you can actually say crap like this. Have you no integrity? Canary Mission doesn’t describe these as “kids engaged in anti-Israel activism,” does it? It smears these young people as among those who “seek the destruction of Israel, routinely engage in anti-Semitic rhetoric and actions, and promote hatred of Jews.” A huge difference which you shamelessly seeking to minimize. Have you no shame?

    • YoniFalic
      January 8, 2016, 12:37 pm

      Excuse me, German Lefty, but as I understand German Holocaust denial law, if I simply read Princeton Professor Arno Mayer’s Why Did the Heavens Not Darken? out loud in public, I could be charged with Holocaust denial.

      http://www.amazon.com/Why-Did-Heavens-Not-Darken/dp/184467777X

      • German Lefty
        January 8, 2016, 2:20 pm

        @ YoniFalic
        I am not familar with the book you mention. Anyway, I was talking about the disproportionate power that US schools and universities have on their students’ private life. For example, if a student rapes some other student, it’s the university that has to investigate the incident. Not the police. Why do schools and universities in the USA get to play police? That’s what I find weird.
        The USA keeps praising itself as the land of free speech, but in reality people are silenced in very many “indirect” ways. Germany, on the other hand, doesn’t pretend to value free speech and silences people directly. So, the German way is more honest.

      • Mooser
        January 8, 2016, 4:06 pm

        “For example, if a student rapes some other student, it’s the university that has to investigate the incident. Not the police.”

        Sure! Sample e-mail: “Dear University Parent, your son and/or daughter will not arrive home for Spring Break because they may have been murdered and/or raped at school. The School is investigating, do not call the police. Forget all that stuff about “duty to report” and stuff”, we’ll decide if the police need to be called in. Remember, you signed a release. Okay, you signed a lot of stuff when you got the tuition loan, maybe you didn’t notice. Please continue to pay tuition until the case is settled, or the student may be repossessed.”

        I just don’t see it, but you never know what goes on on campus these days.

      • Keith
        January 8, 2016, 6:46 pm

        YONIFALIC- “…as I understand German Holocaust denial law, if I simply read Princeton Professor Arno Mayer’s Why Did the Heavens Not Darken? out loud in public, I could be charged with Holocaust denial.”

        “Could be,” aye, there’s the rub! Much of what constitutes a “hate crime” is rather subjective leaving much discretion to the prosecutor, hence, an ideal weapon of intimidation. The German law was first passed in 1985 and tightened in 1994. 1985? 1994? Why was it considered necessary 40/50 years after the Holocaust? Was Holocaust denial some sort of problem? Mind you, these laws were passed AFTER the Jews had acquired considerable power and were in no danger. All of these laws, including the Holocaust education laws, are manifestations of Jewish Zionist power and aggressive power seeking. They are weapons of intimidation and nothing more. The mere threat of prosecution career wrecking, actual prosecution financially disastrous even if acquitted! Also, they can probably be twisted to render criticism of imperial Middle East policy as somehow anti-Semitic, just as criticism of Israel is now coming to be construed.

        And before any Zionist exaggerates a rise in European anti-Semitism, I would remind them of strong Jewish Zionist and neocon support for the neo-Nazis in the Ukraine. Fear of genuine Jew hatred is not the issue here, Zionist power seeking is. Below is a brief quote and link on the German law.

        “Germany’s parliament passed legislation in 1985, making it a crime to deny the extermination of the Jews. In 1994, the law was tightened. Now, anyone who publicly endorses, denies or plays down the genocide against the Jews faces a maximum penalty of five years in jail and no less than the imposition of a fine.” http://www.dw.com/en/no-room-for-holocaust-denial-in-germany/a-1833619

      • hophmi
        January 11, 2016, 12:28 pm

        “Why was it considered necessary 40/50 years after the Holocaust? Was Holocaust denial some sort of problem? Mind you, these laws were passed AFTER the Jews had acquired considerable power and were in no danger. ”

        Yep. I’m not a fan of these speech laws, but of course, you ignore the details, because, as usual, you’re an antisemite obsessed with the Jewish angle. The law does not mention Jews, or the Holocaust. It is a general law criminalizing incitement against minority groups, and it includes general provisions against glorifying Nazi rule or downplaying Nazi atrocities.

        There’s also a context. Europe does not have a First Amendment, and there are a number of laws on the books that regulate speech.

        You also might ask why many Muslim states advocate bans on depictions of the Prophet Muhammed (the same states where antisemitism is rampant), which seems to me a potentially much more serious problem in our times than Nazi atrocity-denial laws.

      • Keith
        January 11, 2016, 7:13 pm

        HOPHMI- “Yep. I’m not a fan of these speech laws, but of course, you ignore the details, because, as usual, you’re an antisemite obsessed with the Jewish angle. The law does not mention Jews, or the Holocaust. It is a general law criminalizing incitement against minority groups, and it includes general provisions against glorifying Nazi rule or downplaying Nazi atrocities.”

        Once again you call me an anti-Semite. So, are you libeling me as a Jew hater or merely attacking me as corrosive to Jewish interests? You refer to “law” not laws. Go to Wikipedia did you? How pathetic. Try the link I provide following a quote from the Coordination Forum for Countering Antisemitism (CFCA):

        “This chapter will present the legislation defining antisemitism and denial of the Holocaust, explicitly and in the language of the law as an offence in the law books, as differentiated from general legislation dealing with preserving the rights of various groups of human beings. Among those covered, there are at least seven countries which have entered specific legislation into the law books dealing with the subject of antisemitism. They are: Romania, Spain, Mexico, Switzerland, France, Sweden and Austria.” http://www.antisemitism.org.il/eng/Legislation%20Against%20Antisemitism%20and%20Denial%20of%20the%20Holocaust

      • Annie Robbins
        January 11, 2016, 7:32 pm

        GL, where did you read this, that law enforcement does not investigate rapes on colleges. that a university investigates a rape doesn’t mean law enforcement doesn’t. they of course would have to be reported to the police or state authority any state or federal law that was broken. i would imagine.

      • Mooser
        January 11, 2016, 10:53 pm

        “Once again you call me an anti-Semite. “

        Yeah, he’s been doing that quite freely lately. Apparently it can’t be helped.

      • hophmi
        January 12, 2016, 12:27 pm

        Nah, I’m calling you an antisemite because you think everything is the result of Jewish power, which is what antisemites tend to think. Months ago, I had to explode the nonsense you posted about Holocaust movies, which you’re also obsessed with.

        Our discussion was about the German law. In any event, as I pointed out, Europe does not have a First Amendment tradition, so it’s much more common to see speech laws there. So it isn’t about Jewish power. It’s about European custom.

        Look, when you engage in Holocaust revisionism, or you (Roha) routinely blame Jews for the hatred they experienced during the last millenium in Europe, I’m going to call you what you are. I couldn’t give a rat’s ass whether you accept it or not; most people are in denial about their own bigotry and privilege. What is interesting is that on a moderated site with rules against antisemitism, antisemitic comments and links to Holocaust denial sites like rense.com routinely appear here.

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2016, 2:00 pm

        “Nah, I’m calling you an antisemite because…

        “Hophmi” is calling you “an antisemite” because, to be quite plain about it, after the “MLI thread” or around that time, the Moderators (as far as I could tell,) lost their last little bit of sympathy for you.
        And so they just let you make a total fool out of yourself after that.

        I’m so mad I was going to call you “a Kippahed pantaloon” but I won’t.
        “Hophmi” when you make an accusation of “antisemitism” it is only honorable to do it face-to-face. That way the person has a chance to prove they are not an antisemite by whaling the stuffings out of you for saying it.

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2016, 2:07 pm

        “Nah, I’m calling you an antisemite because you think everything is the result of Jewish power, which is what antisemites tend to think.”

        Oh wow, “Hoph” you really should have a talk with commentor “Irvi” and a few others. They are convinced it’s all about “Jewish power”, the “Jewish nation” and “international Jewish connections” all that. You’ll want to dissuade them

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2016, 2:10 pm

        “I couldn’t give a rat’s ass whether you accept it or not; most people are in denial about their own bigotry and privilege.”

        Do tell. And isn’t it unfortunate, that for everybody except us, the only person they can really tell that about is themselves?

      • eljay
        January 12, 2016, 2:31 pm

        || hophmi: … most people are in denial about their own bigotry and privilege. … ||

        Yes, Zio-supremacist hophmi, you and your co-collectivists most certainly are.

      • Keith
        January 12, 2016, 4:10 pm

        HOPHMI- “Nah, I’m calling you an antisemite because you think everything is the result of Jewish power….”

        I have never said nor implied that everything is the result of Jewish power, this is a typical Hophmi fabrication, yet another example of your lack of integrity. The distribution and pursuit of power in our political economy is a valid topic for discussion which you unfailingly seek to squelch in your role as a Zionist brown-shirt.

        HOPHMI- “Months ago, I had to explode the nonsense you posted about Holocaust movies….”

        You have got it backwards. Months ago, using your source data, I demonstrated that you were misrepresenting the numbers concerning Holocaust movies. You began to backpedal, claiming that your sources were misrepresenting Holocaust movies, even going so far as to claim that “Schindler’s List” concerned a Gentile, not Jews. As I indicated at the time, you may have been the first person to engage in Holocaust film denial. For those who wish to judge for themselves, I provide a link to my final comment on that thread. Mondoweissers are encouraged to review all of the applicable comments to see for themselves Hophmi’s ongoing misrepresentation of reality. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/forgiving-anti-semites#comment-764818

        HOPHMI- “Our discussion was about the German law.”

        This “discussion” has occurred in several locations, in only one did I reference Germany in response to Yoni Falic, the others referred to Europe generally since these odious laws are Europe wide indicating international coordination as opposed to local peculiarities. When I did mention Germany, I supplied quotes and links which you now ignore. I provide two quotes and links below which you will undoubtedly try to weasel out of.

        “Legislation against denying the Holocaust has been on the books in Germany since 1985, and in 1994 this law was amended.” http://www.antisemitism.org.il/eng/Legislation%20Against%20Antisemitism%20and%20Denial%20of%20the%20Holocaust

        “Germany’s parliament passed legislation in 1985, making it a crime to deny the extermination of the Jews. In 1994, the law was tightened. Now, anyone who publicly endorses, denies or plays down the genocide against the Jews faces a maximum penalty of five years in jail and no less than the imposition of a fine.” http://www.dw.com/en/no-room-for-holocaust-denial-in-germany/a-1833619

        HOPHMI- “Look, when you engage in Holocaust revisionism, or you (Roha) routinely blame Jews for the hatred they experienced during the last millenium in Europe, I’m going to call you what you are.”

        I have never blamed the Jews as being the sole agent of anti-Semitism. Rather, I have tried to put anti-Semitism in historical context and relate it to the struggle for power in a violent Europe, and to the specific role Jews played within that society. Unlike you who seeks to portray Jews as powerless victims of inherent and unalterable Gentile Jew hatred and blood lust. A view, I should add, which exactly mirrors the bigotry of true anti-Semites. It is because of Zionists like you that I have come to realize that a core belief of Zionist ideology views Gentiles as inherently different from Jews, the eternal threatening “other.” Jewish anti-Gentile bigotry is an integral part of Jewish Zionism, as you so convincingly demonstrate time and again.

      • RoHa
        January 12, 2016, 6:39 pm

        “you (Roha) routinely blame Jews for the hatred they experienced during the last millenium in Europe,”

        Keith, I think that was addressed more at me than at you. He’s spitting it out all over the place.

      • RoHa
        January 12, 2016, 9:14 pm

        “or you (Roha) routinely blame Jews for the hatred they experienced during the last millenium in Europe, I’m going to call you what you are.”

        You say that to everyone, which rather vitiates the force of it.

        But what you do not do is address the truth of what I say. You do not present facts or arguments to show that I am wrong.

        You just keep repeating “anti-Semtic”, “Jew-hating”, and so forth.

        Give it a rest. You are all chip and no shoulder.

      • RoHa
        January 12, 2016, 9:27 pm

        “most people are in denial about their own bigotry”

        I’m well aware of my own position. As far as I am concerned, people fall into one of four groups.

        1. People I like. (A group so tiny as to be almost invisible.)
        2. People I know and actively dislike.
        3. People I don’t know and provisionally dislike, on the principal (derived from experience) that, if I do get to know them, I will dislike them even more.
        4. People whom I neither like nor dislike. That is, Canadians. Though I expect that their bland inoffensiveness will, eventually, get irritating.

        Of course, I think that this is perfectly rational, but if you want to call it bigotry, go ahead. I don’t care.

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2016, 10:42 pm

        “Of course, I think that this is perfectly rational”

        As long as you remember one thing, when it’s all said and donne, “no man is Long Island.”

      • eljay
        January 13, 2016, 7:01 am

        || RoHa: … As far as I am concerned, people fall into one of four groups. …

        4. People whom I neither like nor dislike. That is, Canadians. Though I expect that their bland inoffensiveness will, eventually, get irritating. … ||

        Sorry, eh? ;-)

      • Sibiriak
        January 13, 2016, 9:08 am

        Regarding hate speech laws:

        —————-

        “The new European Union coordinator to combat anti-Semitism says among her top priorities will be to tackle the spike of hate speech on the Internet and to make sure European states properly enforce legislation on hate crime.

        Katharina von Schnurbein presented her goals in Prague on Tuesday to her counterparts from member states, the U.S. and Israel.

        Von Schnurbein was appointed recently after Jewish groups and some others were urging the EU to create such a position to help stop the rising hatred of Jews on the continent. She says she will also hold consultations with Jewish communities across Europe on the current situation.

        U.S. envoy Ira Forman called Von Schnurbein’s appointment and the Prague meeting “an extremely good sign.” [emphasis added]

        http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.697090

      • Keith
        January 13, 2016, 10:54 am

        SIBIRIAK- “Regarding hate speech laws: The new European Union coordinator to combat anti-Semitism….”

        Anti-semitism? Not Islamophobia? Well, that tells volumes for those with eyes to see and a brain to think. How many Western governments (including the US) have recently added bureaucrats devoted exclusively to “combating anti-Semitism?” Talk about taking control of the doctrinal system!

        SIBIRIAK QUOTE- “…her top priorities will be to tackle the spike of hate speech on the Internet….”

        Any examples? “Hateful” criticism of Israel, perhaps? Ah, the prerogatives of power!

      • Dan
        January 13, 2016, 7:08 pm

        @Sibiriak

        “Regarding hate speech laws:..”

        Your post is misleading because it doesn’t include the fact that a coordinator for combating Anti-Muslim hatred was also appointed. (David Friggieri). Perhaps you weren’t aware.

        http://ec.europa.eu/justice/newsroom/fundamental-rights/news/151201_en.htm

        Ordinarily it wouldn’t be a big deal, but in the context of this thread, I think it’s a significant omission.
        Wouldn’t you agree?

      • Annie Robbins
        January 13, 2016, 7:32 pm

        dan, thank you for the link but i don’t think sibiriak’s post is misleading. i think it’s the press that is misleading. and haaretz isn’t the only one.

        http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2016-01-12/new-eu-envoy-to-combat-anti-semitism-presents-her-goals

        http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f08138f056a34d0f8345c8e6077e7f65/new-eu-envoy-combat-anti-semitism-presents-her-goals

        http://www.metronews.ca/news/world/2016/01/12/new-eu-envoy-to-combat-anti-semitism-presents-goals-to-counterparts-at-prague-meeting.html

        the story is all over the internet. whereas your story doesn’t seem to have made it out of the EU commission news department, at all. that’s not a regular media site so it begs the question how you even heard of it. or do you generally get your news from this somewhat obscure site.

        anyway, thanks for bringing it to our attention — but again, no, i don’t think it was a significant omission in the context of the thread. a significant omission implies someone omitted the info, whereas i think it’s most likely no one was aware of it for a very good reason, the info was omitted from the msm reports.

      • Dan
        January 13, 2016, 9:45 pm

        @Annie

        It was not my intent to imply that Sibiriak deliberately “mislead”.
        I respect Sibiriak and don’t think he would.
        When I wrote “Perhaps you weren’t aware”, and “wouldn’t you agree” I meant that sincerely.
        My point was, without the additional information people might jump (be mislead) to the wrong conclusion.
        I also said “in the context of the thread”; that being a discussion in which the subject of Zionist power and influence is being debated.
        I see your point though – I think Haaretz and the rest should have been more complete in their reporting, and if I had read only Haaretz
        I might have been mislead into assuming Anti Semitism was being given special treatment.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 13, 2016, 11:54 pm

        no worries dan! and thanks for bringing the other link to our attention.

      • Sibiriak
        January 13, 2016, 10:43 pm

        Dan: Ordinarily it wouldn’t be a big deal, but in the context of this thread, I think it’s a significant omission.
        —————–

        Thanks for the info. If it had been in the news report, I surely would have included it in my post.

      • Keith
        January 14, 2016, 12:09 pm

        DAN- “Ordinarily it wouldn’t be a big deal, but in the context of this thread, I think it’s a significant omission.”

        True enough, however, when one considers the powerful organizations that will support the coordinator to combat anti-Semitism versus the support the coordinator to combat anti-Muslim hatred will likely receive, the coordinator to combat to combat anti-Muslim hatred could well be a hollow position to give the appearance of even handedness where there is none. This is particularly true insofar as anti-Semitic activity remains highly exaggerated whereas anti-Muslim bigotry is encouraged by powerful groups selling the ‘Clash of Civilizations’ meme. Additionally, you have the manufactured refugee crisis where hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing US/NATO violence have been unleashed on Europe to create social upheaval. It will be interesting to see how effective the anti-Muslim hatred coordinator is versus the coordinator to combat anti-Semitism. In fact, one wonders how effective the Muslim coordinator can be if his very existence went unreported? The invisible coordinator? Why no coverage? Most of these ‘hate laws’ are utilized by Jewish Zionist groups to stifle opposition.

  26. genesto
    January 8, 2016, 12:22 pm

    Good for her! This may be a lttle too trite and old school, but I have to say, “You go girl!”.

    I still remember when I returned home from participating in the Gaza Freedom Flotilla in 2010. I feared a backlash from friends (soon to be ex), clients (I have my own business) and the public in general. To my utter surprise, the overwhelming amount of reaction was positive and supportive. The negative reaction was generally limited to stone cold silence, from those whom I confronted directly, and, of course, visceral hatred from the lobby foot soldiers on social media. More than a few Jews came up to me and, under their breath, voiced their support but, clearly, chose to remain quiet about it. We all know why.

    The point I’m trying to make is that there is a great deal more support for Palestinian justice in the general public than we all might think. So, don’t be afraid to lose a few so-called friends and speak out whenever and wherever you can for Palestinian justice.

    • mariapalestina
      January 8, 2016, 6:17 pm

      @genesto My experience on returning home from participating in the Gaza Freedom Flotilla in 2010 was similar to yours. The group waiting to welcome me at LAX was comprised of mostly Jews, including Israeli Jews, who supported my work for justice in Palestine. While the MAVI MARMARA and the other boats didn’t reach Gaza (as I was fortunate to do on board FREE GAZA two years earlier) there is no doubt the Freedom Flotilla was a win-win for the movement overall, though tragic for the ten unarmed passengers executed by zionist commandos and for the dozens of others badly hurt when the boats were illegally attacked in international waters.

  27. Les
    January 8, 2016, 1:32 pm

    ‘Anti-Israel’ Tweets Land New Jersey Teen in Principal’s Office

    Assistant principal tells 16-year-old Bethany Koval Anti-Bullying Bill of Rights Act may allow for legal action over tweets calling Israel a ‘terrorist force.’

    For full Harretz story

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.696260

  28. Curatica
    January 8, 2016, 2:27 pm

    Brave girl! But very alarming situation. The world gets excited today, but will forget tomorrow, while from their shady burrows, the Zionist rats will continue to build their invisible armed defense against those who dare to utter the truth about the Israeli crimes.

  29. Mooser
    January 8, 2016, 2:47 pm

    One thing I’d bet on, when Ms. Koval reaches her majority, the memories and repercussions of this incident will foster a life-long involvement with and loyalty to the Jewish community. She’ll remember what tribal unity did for her.

    • Annie Robbins
      January 8, 2016, 3:07 pm

      oh g i can’t stop laughing

      • Mooser
        January 8, 2016, 3:30 pm

        “oh g i can’t stop laughing…”

        Oh, go ahead and laugh, but as soon as she saw this article Tribal Unity ran upstairs, locked herself in her room, and is up there throwing things and cursing. “The stupid ——-‘s ” she’s screaming, “That’s not the way I’m supposed to work! I’m never coming out! See if you can get along without me! ” and stuff like that.

        I’m gonna have a heck of a time getting her calmed down. And it isn’t easy to get tear-stains out of buckskin. Dry clean only.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 8, 2016, 4:03 pm

        Tribal Unity’s off to a rocky start this year, she started out on the wrong foot or maybe just got out of the wrong side of the bed. it’s only been a week in but this doesn’t bode well for 2016.

      • Mooser
        January 8, 2016, 4:15 pm

        “Tribal Unity’s off to a rocky start this year,”

        We stocked the library with Zane Grey novels, but for some reason she will read Mondo, instead. It only gets her upset.

  30. Rodneywatts
    January 8, 2016, 3:20 pm

    Wow Annie! Great piece and comments- especially appreciated @YoniFalic. As a Brit, I just find it difficult to believe that a schoolkid could be subjected to such intimidation, but this is just another point of difference that makes me so glad to be a citizen of the UK. However, it is heartening that more and more Americans are standing up for justice in I/P, and once again my anger at the neocons and zionists is tempered so as to not tar all US citizens with the same brush.

    • Annie Robbins
      January 8, 2016, 4:10 pm

      thank you rodney!

      but doesn’t the UK have this terror prevention program teachers are required to spy on students or something? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11323558/Anti-terror-plan-to-spy-on-toddlers-is-heavy-handed.html

      Anti-terror plan to spy on toddlers ‘is heavy-handed’

      Nursery staff and childminders are given ‘duty’ to report toddlers they suspect of being at risk of becoming terrorists under new Home Office measures

      that might not be the right link. i think it has a name, some acronym like PACE, but i don’t think it’s that either.

      • Susan A
        January 10, 2016, 7:04 am

        Yes, Annie, it’s called ‘Prevent’. There have already been instances where kids in schools have been ‘called out/in’. In one instance a child was called in for taking a leaflet supporting Palestine to school; perhaps about not buying Israeli dates, though I can’t quite remember. Another instance was how a kid had to see a ‘Prevent officer’ because, whilst talking about the environment in school, he used the word ‘eco-terrorism’. It appears that even when the kid is deemed to have done nothing to worry about,they are stuck on that list for a long time. Furthermore, the UK government is now saying that it’s going to tell local councils which companies they cannot boycott/divest from. David Cameron actually said specifically that councils were not going to be able to boycott ‘our friends in Israel’ or British arms companies, doubtless using the word ‘defence’. It’s not simply about ‘terrorism’, this whole strategy is a way of attempting to shut down dissent and as many different groups and organisations as possible need to combine to fight this.

      • Susan A
        January 10, 2016, 7:07 am

        Yes, Annie, it’s called ‘Prevent’. There have already been instances where kids in schools have been ‘called out/in’. In one instance a child was called in for taking a leaflet supporting Palestine to school; perhaps about not buying Israeli dates, though I can’t quite remember. Another instance was how a kid had to see a ‘Prevent officer’ because, whilst talking about the environment in school, he used the word ‘eco-terrorism’. It appears that even when the kid is deemed to have done nothing to worry about,they are stuck on that list for a long time. Furthermore, the UK government is now saying that it’s going to tell local council which companies they cannot boycott/divest from. David Cameron actually said specifically that councils were not going to be able to boycott our friends in Israel or British arms companies. It’s not simply about ‘terrorism’, this whole strategy is a way of attempting to shut down dissent and as many different groups and organisations as possible need to combine to fight this.

    • Keith
      January 8, 2016, 5:10 pm

      RODNEYWATTS- “As a Brit, I just find it difficult to believe that a schoolkid could be subjected to such intimidation, but this is just another point of difference that makes me so glad to be a citizen of the UK.”

      Perhaps if the US had mandatory Holocaust education like they do in the UK things would be better?

      • Rodneywatts
        January 9, 2016, 10:32 am

        Hi Keith, interesting you mention Holocaust education , and of course it is done in varying ways here so I am not sure if things would be better or not, because The Nakba needs to be dealt with also. I did write to Nicki Morgan, Education Secretary, last year before the general election about inclusion of the Nakba along with Holocaust studies. I got an eventual reply from one of her minions that assured me that Holocaust studies were on the syllabus, but not a word about the Nakba. You have reminded me to write again.

      • Keith
        January 9, 2016, 4:06 pm

        RODNEYWATTS- “…I am not sure if things would be better or not….”

        Rodney, I was being facetious. My point being that so far the US has not been intimidated into including Holocaust “education” into its curriculum. Lord knows, we get enough Holocaust “education” from Hollywood. As a consequence, the Holocaust is easily one of the most publicized and best known historical events. More British and American school children would correctly know about the “six million” than would even have a clue about Soviet WWII war deaths. And what is the pressing need for Holocaust education beginning in 2008, over 60 years after the end of WWII? To feed the meme of eternal Jewish suffering? To show that British actions in India were not all that bad? Holocaust education in Britain starting in 2008 is all about Jewish Zionist power, regardless of the specific curriculum or if the Nakba is included. The US and Britain would be better served focusing on their own bloody history and current crimes of empire.

      • hophmi
        January 11, 2016, 12:31 pm

        “My point being that so far the US has not been intimidated into including Holocaust “education” into its curriculum. ”

        Intimidated by who? Oh, THOSE people.

        “More British and American school children would correctly know about the “six million” than would even have a clue about Soviet WWII war deaths.”

        Why is “six million” in quotes? HOLOCAUST DENIAL IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN HERE.

        “And what is the pressing need for Holocaust education beginning in 2008, over 60 years after the end of WWII?”

        Why indeed? I mean, the survivors are almost all dead. It’s time we forgot about European antisemitism for good.

      • Keith
        January 11, 2016, 6:42 pm

        HOPHMI- “Intimidated by who?”

        By the people who lobbied and put pressure to get Holocaust education put into the curriculum. In England this was the Holocaust Education Trust established in 1988. There are, in fact, numerous Zionist groups promoting focusing on the Holocaust and Jewish victimhood. That the Zionists didn’t promote this type of activity immediately following WWII indicates that this is a more recent tactic commensurate with increased organized Jewish power and the change in Zionist strategy following the six day war. Previously, the Nazi Holocaust was “not cast as a uniquely Jewish — let alone historically unique — event. Organized American Jewry in particular was at pains to place it in a universalist context. After the June war, however, the Nazi Final Solution was radically reframed. “The first and most important claim that emerged from the 1967 war and became emblematic of American Judaism,” Jacob Neusner recalls, was that “the Holocaust…was unique, without parallel in human history.” (p42, “The Holocaust Industry,” Norman Finkelstein) The other central Zionist dogma deployed after 1967 was that “The Holocaust marks the climax of an irrational, eternal Gentile hatred of Jews.” (p41, Finkelstein)

        As for the purpose of all of this Holocaust “education,” “Holocaust awareness,” the respected writer Boas Evron observes, is actually “an official, propagandistic indictrination, a churning out of slogans and a false view of the world, the real aim of which is not at all the understanding of the past, but a manipulation of the present.” (P41, Finkelstein) All of these Holocaust education programs are demonstrations of Zionist power and instruments of intimidation designed to control the narrative, even now as we enter the 21st century, over 70 years after the end of the Holocaust.

        HOPHMI- “Why is “six million” in quotes?”

        To indicate that I was referring to the six million deaths associated with the Holocaust, not merely referencing the number six million. I believe Golda Meir made reference to “the six million” when she said that assimilated Jews could join them. That you should even suggest that putting six million in quotes was Holocaust denial is highly indicative of your demonstrated lack of both moral and intellectual integrity. Thanks to Zionist power you don’t have to worry about a Gentile equivalent to the ADL holding you to account for your frequent demonstrations of aggressive anti-Gentilism. Screw the goyish untermenschen. Got it.

  31. lonely rico
    January 8, 2016, 10:09 pm

    Bethany tells the truth –
    I commend her,
    she is our hope for a better world.

    >Kay24
    … what she said is about the only nation whose policies cannot be spoken about

    She broke the rule in the USA, and so will be vilified.

    Very frightening for Zionist America when the children walk out, sickened, slamming the door.

    Meanwhile –

    4 Palestinians shot dead after alleged stabbing attempts in West Bank
    http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=769699
    Fortunately –
    “no Israelis were injured in the attack”,
    ”no Israeli injuries reported.”
    Thank goodness !

  32. xanadou
    January 9, 2016, 5:51 am

    Major respect goes to this impressive 16y/o. At that age a person is no longer a child, but not yet an adult, while torn every which way trying to figure out which is what. That Ms. Bendy could so eloquently express herself, simultaneously refusing to be seen as the centre of attention, inspires one with hope and promise for her future and the growing number of her generation, especially those with ties, past or present, to Israel and/or Judaism. I hope that she will have the strength and necessary support to successfully overcome what’s coming at this, one of the most vulnerable times in almost anyone’s life.

    If she and those of her generation choose to stay with Judaism, I hope that they will be able to shine a new and more inclusive light on the old traditions and beliefs, abandon the cruel and debilitating ghetto mentality, and choose to live in an equal, but not separate, world that inspired distrust and, as so many times before, has led to violent persecution, both by the parasitic ghetto power structures, and the psychotic fanatics without.

    Ms. Bendy reminds me of my Gt.Great Grand Ma, who as a very young girl fled such a constricting ghetto with her Father into a world that demanded a very long time to overcome their own prejudices before they embraced her family.

    Life is too short to waste one’s precious time doing battle with opportunistic and deadly stupidity. No? (rhetorical)

    • rugal_b
      January 9, 2016, 6:53 am

      I hope you are either a self-prescribed Jewish person yourself, or a esteemed scholar in Jewish secular history and Judaism to make such entitled, borderline racist statements on what Jews should and should not do.

      For your information, Jews assimilated just fine in most of the places where they settled without forming “ghettos” and having a “ghetto mentality”. In places like India, Iran, Palestine, Egypt, France, UK and many other countries with substantial Jewish settlements, these communities were often well-respected and admired for their values and traditions, in addition to their vast contributions to their respective societies.

      Jews only had to form “ghettos” in places where they had little choice not to, such as in 1800’s Germany, Poland, Russia etc where racist sentiments were widespread and supported by the ruling powers. Do you think blacks should just get rid of their “ghetto mentality” to succeed in America too? You idiot.

      • YoniFalic
        January 9, 2016, 10:16 am

        @rugal_b incorrectly states the following.

        Jews only had to form “ghettos” in places where they had little choice not to, such as in 1800’s Germany, Poland, Russia etc where racist sentiments were widespread and supported by the ruling powers. Do you think blacks should just get rid of their “ghetto mentality” to succeed in America too? You idiot.

        Ghettos characterized certain areas of Italy and Germany and were almost invariably created by agreement between the leaders of the Jewish community and the local rulers. German ghettos represented an effort to keep Jewish incomes relatively high. Other groups like Muslims in the Venetian Republic also had their own ghettos.

        In Eastern Europe and the Czarist Empire, Ghettos did not exist. While Jews in the Czarist Empire were to some extent limited to the Pale of Settlement (territories of Commonwealth Poland incorporated by the Czarist Empire), this territory was huge and the Czarist Empire added non-Polish territories to the Pale of Settlement. Subjects/citizens of the Czarist Empire did not have freedom of movement and generally required internal passports and residence permits to move from native territories. The USSR maintained this system to some extent.

        None of this system was specific to Jews. I learned as a history major at Columbia that only the ignorant and propagandists claim:

        Jews only had to form “ghettos” in places where they had little choice not to, such as in 1800’s Germany, Poland, Russia etc where racist sentiments were widespread and supported by the ruling powers.

        Mondoweiss has covered the divergence between historical fact and common prejudiced “Jewish” anti-gentile beliefs that must not taken seriously in any historical discussion.

        See http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/explodes-american-massacre .

        We should really ask why such false and nonsensical beliefs are so common among “Jews”.

      • MRW
        January 9, 2016, 5:29 pm

        rugala,

        For your information, Jews assimilated just fine in most of the places where they settled without forming “ghettos” and having a “ghetto mentality”. In places like India, Iran, Palestine, Egypt, France, UK and many other countries with substantial Jewish settlements, these communities were often well-respected and admired for their values and traditions, in addition to their vast contributions to their respective societies.

        What comic book version of history did you read? Rabbis made deals with the rulers of the countries to keep Jews in protected shtetls and promised to collect the taxes for the monarch. In return, the monarch could not complain about the rabbi applying Jewish law internally to his people, which as Israel Shahak wrote about in his Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of 3,000 Years, included committing murder in some instances for violating the sabbath.

        The French government papers from 1789 record that Jews wanted a couple of provinces in France to call their own, and to hell with assimilating. They wanted to be a nation within the nation of France, as was the case across Europe. The French National Assembly nipped that in the bud. They said, and it is recorded, that Jews qua individual were absolutely welcome as citizens of France with full rights as citizens, but Jews qua nation were not. So ix-nay on the etto-ghay. Ghettos were a Jewish creation.
        https://books.google.com/books?id=0Bu5GnLZCw0C&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=nation+within+a+nation+jews&source=bl&ots=N8qTA9HyGC&sig=mKSWn50KrY-RSF1vcQaaILVDgSg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=I_VuUNCxG-j50gGsroCoBA#v=onepage&q=nation%20within%20a%20nation%20jews&f=false

        The communities were not “often well-respected and admired for their values and traditions.” They were closed clubs. Rabbinic law prevailed. They were ultra-orthodox. Their women were as uneducated as the ultra-orthodox of Israel are today, unlike the great Islamic Science centers like Cordova (800 AD to 1500 AD) where women could become doctors, scientists, and philosophers. Jews like Maimonides and Spinoza escaped these prisons; they didn’t flourish inside them. Who could?

        in addition to their vast contributions to their respective societies.

        Vast? That’s laughable. History doesn’t show any of that, although you wouldn’t know it reading Wikipedia today. I am astounded by what has happened to the history of Maimonides on Wikipedia in the last 15 years. The Israeli Ministry of Information has been busy. It has grown into a chest-thumping treatise claiming Maimonides did everything except walk on water; it now attributes to Maimonides discoveries and writings that the great Islamic Science world had established 200-250 years before Maimonides lived, but the vast–that’s what’s ‘vast’– unread of today wouldn’t know it.

        Thank god for Herbert Davidson, a scholar of the first order, putting a lot of it right in his 2005 book on Maimonides. And thank god for the myriad monastery records from 900 -1500 AD of the pilgrimages that the European monks made to Cordova to drink in the knowledge of the Islamic world, which the Arabs freely dispersed. Christians–because they put their historians on it–later claimed they invented the majority of them, including the heliocentric view of the world, flight, optics, mathematics, civil engineering, jurisprudence, accounting (double-entry), and architecture, to name a few. There were over 100 libraries in Islamic Spain when dark Europe had two. And, tell me, what is the name of the world’s first great Jewish library? And the date.

      • MRW
        January 9, 2016, 6:14 pm

        We should really ask why such false and nonsensical beliefs are so common among “Jews”.

        And if you do, you’ll discover the Achilles Heel that Mandela eventually discovered could move his jailers. Maybe the false and nonsensical beliefs convince them they are reacting to a problem (when they are really reacting to their own anxiety).

        Gabriel Kolko: Israel: Mythologizing a 20th Century Accident

      • xanadou
        January 9, 2016, 6:26 pm

        Mx. Rugal, b

        I used the word, “hope”, not “should”.

        That you need to attack me with personal invectives, and are unable to quote the language I had used in my note and twist my comment to serve your own uncomfortable needs and beliefs, is not helpful, but certainly revealing.

        Ghettos come in many forms: from a parcel of land surrounded by walls, as in Ghetto Israel, or those of the mind that uphold deep prejudices. Racism, as Israel is showing us so clearly today, is a two-way street. It is not new. So where did it Israel’s violent racism come from? That inexplicably dismissed the Nazis in order to blame a long dead cleric for the tragedy of the Jews during WW2.

        It’s the Ghetto mentality, i.e., the brainwashing of a community that occured/occurs in some of those places, that had effectively paralysed entire communities into refusing to fight the Nazis and obediently walk to the train stations and board the trains to so many death camps.

        In the Warsaw Ghetto the local Resistance found and armed with scarce weapons a small group of Ghetto residents who chose to defy the Nazi orders. I should know. I lost many of my family members during that terrible time. They knew that the odds were not in their favour, but by then the truth about the death camps was no longer a secret, but the “tolerant” West chose to ignore hearing and acting on that truth. Try reading about Jan Karski.

        My interest in the Ghetto mentality that had come from the survivors was confirmed by another Warsaw Ghetto survivor, i.e., prof. Israel Shahak in his book. “Jewish History, Jewish Religion”.

        African Americans’ history has nothing in common with the Jewish experience. Their history comes from an entirely different experience of slavery and acute poverty exacerbated by terrible racism, present in so many places, including Israel’s terrible treatment of the asylum seeking Africans, whether Black, Brown or White. Let’s not forget the settlers and their peculiar use of the term “Schwartze” in connection with the non-whites.

      • xanadou
        January 9, 2016, 6:38 pm

        Mx. Rugal, b

        I used the word, “hope”, not “should”.

        That you need to attack me with personal invectives, and are unable to quote the language I had used in my note and twist my comment to serve your own uncomfortable needs and beliefs, is not helpful, but certainly revealing.

        Ghettos come in many forms: from a parcel of land surrounded by walls, as in Ghetto Israel, or those of the mind that uphold deep prejudices. Racism, as Israel is showing us so clearly today, is a two-way street. It is not new. So where did Israel’s violent racism come from, that inexplicably had the need to minimise the Nazi atrocities in order to blame a single long dead cleric for the tragedy of the Jews during WW2.

        The Ghetto mentality, i.e., the brainwashing of a community that occured/occurs in some of those places (vide the example of Israeli settlers) that had effectively paralysed entire communities into refusing to fight the Nazis and obediently walk to the train stations and board the trains to so many death camps.

        In the Warsaw Ghetto the local Resistance found and armed with scarce weapons a small group of Ghetto residents who chose to defy the Nazi orders. I should know. I lost many of my family members during that terrible time. They knew that the odds were not in their favour, but by then the truth about the death camps was no longer a secret, but the “tolerant” West chose to ignore hearing and acting on that truth. Try reading about Jan Karski.

        My interest in the Ghetto mentality that had come from the survivors was confirmed by another Warsaw Ghetto survivor, i.e., prof. Israel Shahak in his book. “Jewish History, Jewish Religion”.

        African Americans’ history has nothing in common with the Jewish experience. Their history comes from an entirely different experience of slavery and acute poverty exacerbated by terrible racism, present in so many places, including Israel’s terrible treatment of the asylum seeking Africans. Let’s not forget the settlers and their peculiar need to use the word “Schwartze” in connection with the non-whites.

        Israel may be a racist exercise in apartheid and genocide, but it also is the home of 972, Women in Black, and other groups, as well as religious leaders such Rabbi Ari Feldman who regularly confronts Israeli soldiers in his attempts to defend the Palestinians from Israeli, NOT Jewish violence.

        Yes, Virginia, and as has been stated so often by so many commenters, the zionists may be Jewish, by Judaism is a religion that comes in many forms, as does Islam, as does Christianity.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 9, 2016, 6:55 pm

        rugal, do you also think xenophobic anti-miscegenation fanatics like Lahava think the way they do because they have “little choice not to”. and the Anti-miscegenation laws in israel, the neighborhood committees that serve to segregate people, is this also because they had “little choice not to”? isn’t it somewhat traditionally a way of Jewish life and a choice to not assimilate with gentiles (and even for some reform judaism is beyond the pale)? or is this all a matter of “little choice”.

        one definition of ghetto is “put in or restrict to an isolated or segregated area or group.” it doesn’t automatically imply slum. self segregation is a choice in life for some people (as opposed to others), and it’s my understanding many rabbis promote it too.

      • hophmi
        January 11, 2016, 12:48 pm

        Israel Shahak isn’t an historian, and the only people who take his reading of history seriously are antisemites. Use a real historical source if you want to be taken seriously outside of the cult.

        ” Ghettos were a Jewish creation.”

        Bullshit; that’s an antisemitic canard.

        The Venice Ghetto was established by the Republic, and the Jews were forced to live there. Jews were seen a threat to Christianity.

        The Rome Ghetto was created by Pope Paul IV. Jews were forced into an undesirable part of Rome that often flooded.

        The Prague Ghetto dates from around the 11th century and was walled; 1500 Jews were massacred there in 1389.

        Most of these ghettos were poverty-stricken and overcrowded.

        And of course, from the 11th to the 17th centuries, Jews were constantly facing expulsion orders and bans of one kind or another.

        When the Nazis set up ghettos in 1939, they were merely repeating past history.

      • Keith
        January 11, 2016, 8:02 pm

        HOPHMI- “Use a real historical source if you want to be taken seriously outside of the cult.”

        You mean a reliable orientalist like Barbara Tuchman, Bernard Lewis, Daniel Goldhagen or that all time Zionist favorite Joan Peters? No thanks, I’ll stick with an internationally recognized, oft quoted and highly regarded scholar such as Israel Shahak, who, like his friend Noam Chomsky, engaged in independent research of the highest quality. And, unlike you, a scholar of impeccable integrity.

        HOPHMI- “Israel Shahak isn’t an historian, and the only people who take his reading of history seriously are antisemites.”

        There you go with the “antisemites” again. So are Gore Vidal and Edward Said, who wrote forewords to “Jewish History, Jewish Religion,” anti-Semites? How about Shahak’s occasional co-author, American historian Norton Mezvinsky, who wrote the introduction? Shahak’s friend Noam Chomsky who quoted Shahak in “Fateful Triangle: The United States, Israel & The Palestinians,” also an anti-Semite? Is there anyone who isn’t a Zionist who isn’t an anti-Semite? Are there any anti-Zionist Mondoweiss commenters who, in your opinion, are not anti-Semites? What are you other than a Zionist attack dog?

    • Annie Robbins
      January 9, 2016, 7:20 am

      xanadou, thanks for your comment.

      • xanadou
        January 10, 2016, 12:36 pm

        Ms. Annie, with apologies for the delay, and appreciative thanks for your generous acknowledgement, pls accept my further thanks for this fab story that radiates with so many connections to so many related issues that should show/prove the rotten throughout foundations of a fiction that perpetuates into the future what ought to have been fixed decades ago, devaluating the cruel truths that do not need the phoney manipulations of history.

        The most diabolical point is that the perpetual victims have done this all by themselves to themselves, casting a shadow on certain assertions, and the embodiment of which are people like Anne Frank’s father who used an American writer, Meyer Levin, to put a sophisticated spin on the scriblings of a child, robbing her of her right to be seen as a very young girl just waking up to the promise of a life that was not to be. For money. While Mr. Levin had to sue to be paid his $50,000 fee.

      • Mooser
        January 10, 2016, 1:11 pm

        “and the embodiment of which are people like… “

        Really? “the embodiment of which”? Ho-Kay.

      • Mooser
        January 10, 2016, 1:45 pm

        “The most diabolical point…/… and the embodiment of which are people like Anne Frank’s father…/… For money. While Mr. Levin had to sue to be paid his $50,000 fee.”

        I’m mad! I want payback! Don’t do me no durn favor… get ready you..

        “Nevertheless, if I have somehow offended anyone, however inadvertently, it was not intended to cast aspersions on you or any Jewish community.”

        Oh well, that’s alright then.

    • echinococcus
      January 9, 2016, 8:05 am

      Look who is calling his betters “idiot”! The same rugal, of course, the illogical Zionist plant who decreed “colonialism and entitlement” the opposition to his fake nationalism.
      Of course everyone is entitled to say what any other should do or not do, genius! Its called ‘Free F Speech. You have the right not to follow recommendations.
      You are the guy who makes more -than-borderline-racist statements to the Palestinian people to stop battling the Zionists and take on “antisemitism” as their first objective, and the US of F A second.
      As for calling people on idiocy, it seems that you aren’t even able to get that “ghetto mentality” is something that doesn’t need a physical ghetto. It is flourishing in very, very integrated Brooklyn as well –not as fully as in as the abusively called “Israel” abomination. No, delete that: the Zionist entity is one big, physical ghetto.

      • Mooser
        January 9, 2016, 11:49 am

        “As for calling people on idiocy, it seems that you aren’t even able to get that “ghetto mentality” is something”

        Oh for C—-t’s fuggin (sorry) sake! a “ghetto mentality” is what the people who put you in a ghetto tell you that you have after they force you to live there!

        Not exactly a term we should be bandying. But it’s up to you. Shall we ask if the Palestinians are suffering from “ghetto mentality”? Don’t the Israelis say that about them in one way or another? C’mon already.

        Get a friggin clue!

      • echinococcus
        January 9, 2016, 2:25 pm

        Mooser, we’re talking about people who never had to live in any ghetto –physically.

      • Mooser
        January 9, 2016, 3:43 pm

        ‘Mooser, we’re talking about people who never had to live in any ghetto –physically.”

        In that case, I, myself, would forego any judgements like “ghetto mentality”.

      • Mooser
        January 9, 2016, 5:41 pm

        “Mooser, we’re talking about people who never had to live in any ghetto –physically.”

        Yes, the people using the slur “ghetto mentality” have probably never lived in a ghetto.

        And even if the people it is being directed at have never lived in a ghetto, that doesn’t make it an all right (or, BTW meaningful in any sense but a pejorative) expression.

      • echinococcus
        January 10, 2016, 11:48 am

        I see what you mean, Mooser; most people won’t look at it from the viewpoint of the physical ghetto resident, forced to be that (and history by now.) Most will (as I did before your warning) consider it exclusively from the POV of someone looking into suburban luxury and seeing a self-imposed state of siege and incestuous segregation. You’re right, though: it would have been better if “ghetto mentality” was described as that of Marek Edelman and the others –that of the insurrection.

      • Mooser
        January 10, 2016, 12:26 pm

        “You’re right, though: it would have been better if “ghetto mentality” was described as that of Marek Edelman and the others –that of the insurrection.”

        No, it wouldn’t. “Ghetto mentality” is one of those terms which tells you nothing about the people accused of having it, but tells you a whole lot about the person using it, directing it at others.

        You can decide for yourself whether it is a useful locution.

    • Mooser
      January 9, 2016, 11:35 am

      ” and beliefs, abandon the cruel and debilitating ghetto mentality, and choose to live in an equal, – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/teenager-threatened-palestine#comment-159760

      • xanadou
        January 9, 2016, 7:13 pm

        Mr. Mooser,

        I don’t understand why the term “ghetto mentality” raises the hackles.
        A ghetto is a secluded place. A place. Not a judgment.
        A mentality is a psychological outlook. A state of mind. Not a judgment.

        Therefore, a ghetto mentality is an outlook exhibited by SOME (absolutes do not exist) people, NOT the people, who live in an secluded area. Not ALL the residents, just those who accepted the brainwashing by said ghetto power structures. Prof. Shahak in his “Jewish History, Jewish Religion” gave some examples of the phenomenon.

        Ergo: the term “ghetto mentality” is a description of a state of mind informed by a geographical location. Or is it that you know what happened in so many closed off areas, overwhelmingly controlled by persons from, or with close ties to the religious community, who just as it has, and still does happen today. To reject the fact that this had once caused such unconscionable slaughter, is to give future history permission to repeat itself.

        For comparison just consider the “christian” communities, de facto ghettos, dominated by hysterical religious leaders in the service to the very rich pathocrats both with a need for a fearful and obedient flock to do their bidding.
        (https://pathocracy.wordpress.com/definition)

        And then there is Father Branigan. Or Frankie the Pope.

      • Mooser
        January 9, 2016, 8:11 pm

        “A ghetto is a secluded place. A place. Not a judgment.”

        Yes, there’s a very exclusive, expensive residential developement being built near me right now called “Ye Olde Ghetto Meadows” and all the lots were sold before they built a single house. The lure of seclusion, you know.

        “A mentality is a psychological outlook. A state of mind. Not a judgment.”

        Nope, there’s never any judgement implied by either of those terms “ghetto” or “mentality”. Okay, sure.

        But then:

        “Ergo: the term “ghetto mentality” is a description of a state of mind informed by a geographical location.”

        Except a paragraph ago you said…ooh no, another sit-n-spinner.

        Yeah, I already Googled the term for you so you could see just what kind of, and how valid it is as “a description of a state of mind informed by a geographical location”.

    • Sibiriak
      January 10, 2016, 12:08 am

      MRW: Ghettos were a Jewish creation.
      ——————–

      Was anti-Semitism a Jewish creation as well?

      • Mooser
        January 10, 2016, 12:40 pm

        “MRW: Ghettos were a Jewish creation.”

        And I thought the cherry tomato was a big accomplishment!

      • xanadou
        January 10, 2016, 2:22 pm

        Mx. Sibiriak, re ghettoes as Jewish creation.

        Yes and no. The first (known) ghetto was created, indeed, by Jews, on a Venetian island, but in response to the rampant prejudices by the (not-so)Christian majority with a need to look for victims to blame for their own misfortunes imparted onto them by the corrupt pathocrats of their day and summed up so brilliantly by N.Machiavelli in “The Prince”.

        However, what followed, i.e., the volountary seclusions, including the creation of shtetls, appear to show that the first known such separation must have been a hit with the power structures within who needed to create profitable one-dimensional societies programmed to be, think and act like a single cell/purpose organism. Kind of like the billionaire Netanyahoo who uses fear to terrorise and numb his own kind into uncritial fear, who saw no problem in tolerating a theatre of horror atop a hill to watch and cheer Israeli bombs dropped from the clear blue skies onto the defenceless Other. The vampire Netanyahoo who saw no problem with pontificating about removing settlers from one place, destroying the houses rather than leaving them to Palestinians made homeless by the Israeli army, then building another settlement that made him and his like so very very rich while they continue to feast on the blood of the Palestinians AND Israeli victims of their obtuse policies.

        Not so different from the rules practiced by non-Jews who, once upon a time, and in the absence of mass media, needed public immolations and other horrific punishments of the independent minds of their day. Public, because it was less about their victim without a tomorrow, and all about terrorising the living. The Renaissance is proof that a people free from “walls”, could and did flourish nevertheless.

        Discovering the massive achievements of Islamic (oops) 10th century origin, however, short-lived, created a massive foundation for modern sciences that led to the making of this venue possible to practice and share our own independent thoughts. In a tolerant fashion, rather than try and force uncritical mantras fabricated by others for their own benefit.

        Anti-semitism was just one more prejudice in a sea of social prejudices invented by the pathocrats, according to the proven returns delivered by the Divide and Rule mantra. Look at the present, and we find that not much has changed. The vile attacks on Ms. Bethany’s own independent intellectual pursuits of an empathic mind that resonate with the generation who will shortly define the future, seem to have unnerved our own cowardly pathocrats, whatever their persuasion, to start a witch hunt of their own. With the help of their useful idiots, natch. The more things change…

        In sum, and despite the efforts to the contrary, Jews are like the rest of humanity plagued by the worshippers of Mamon and their uncritial flunkies.

      • Keith
        January 10, 2016, 4:57 pm

        SIBIRIAK- “Was anti-Semitism a Jewish creation as well?”

        The “new” anti-Semitism most certainly is a creation of Zionist Jews in an attempt to label anything and everything corrosive to Jewish interests as Jew hatred. As we experience a concerted drive to manufacture Islamophobia, the continued Jewish Zionist emphasis on the supposed rise in anti-Semtism, along with the ever present reference to the Holocaust by Hollywood, new and ever expanding Holocaust museums and Holocaust education 70 years after WWII, the recent passing of unneeded potentially intimidating Holocaust and anti-Semitism laws, along with the redefinition of the anti-Semitism to included criticism of Israel, we are witnessing a massive ideological offensive to misrepresent reality and facilitate Jewish Zionist power seeking activity which is linked to imperial power seeking. Empire Jews. I refer to Jewish Zionists because that is where the leadership lies, Christian Zionists little more than camp followers, their large numbers notwithstanding.

      • Philemon
        January 10, 2016, 7:18 pm

        xanadou: “Anti-semitism was just one more prejudice in a sea of social prejudices invented by the pathocrats, according to the proven returns delivered by the Divide and Rule mantra. Look at the present, and we find that not much has changed.”

        Well, who can argue with that?

        Although, most sane people aren’t “banging on” (as Roha would say) about Israel being the “Jewish homeland” and don’t have much use for scientific racism per se…

        Well, you know, nowadays.

        Here’s an idea, maybe the pathocrats (as xanadou terms them, and it’s probably accurate) who were in charge of those “Jewish ghettoes”, had more in common with the other pathocrats in charge of various ghettoes of their own, than with their poor subjected community living there.

        And I completely understand Mooser’s view that a “ghetto-mentality” is obviously a pejorative term, despite the fact that the Warsaw Ghetto was obviously heroic.

      • Philemon
        January 10, 2016, 7:55 pm

        You would think that after WWII, “ghetto” would be a term or approbation and respect, not to mention admiration. But somehow it turned into a term for “slum” which needed to be knocked down so that some cheap cinder-block public housing could be erected.

      • Philemon
        January 10, 2016, 8:12 pm

        Very twisty turny, that propaganda. Hmmmmmmm!

      • RoHa
        January 10, 2016, 9:27 pm

        Perfectly respectable idiom, of course. Not my invention. And apposite.

      • Philemon
        January 12, 2016, 10:11 pm

        “Not my invention.” Roha, there was no implication that it was your invention. Just the it was one of your idioms, which we all know and love.

      • Philemon
        January 12, 2016, 10:26 pm

        Dammit, “that” not “the”!

    • hophmi
      January 11, 2016, 12:50 pm

      This is kind of nonsense that passes for comment here: Jews are highly assimilated, but they have a “ghetto” mentality. Remember folks, it’s anti-Zionism, not antisemitism.

      • Mooser
        January 11, 2016, 1:09 pm

        “Jews are highly assimilated,

        Yup, they don’t even give us a choice! Why we are “assimilated” as American citizens, even before we get brissed (Hello Supreme Court!)

        “but they have a “ghetto” mentality”.

        Ridiculous, isn’t it? After all, one man’s “ghetto mentality” is another man’s “culture”

    • Sibiriak
      January 11, 2016, 11:57 pm

      Keith: I’ll stick with an internationally recognized, oft quoted and highly regarded scholar such as Israel Shahak
      ——————–

      Shahak,, imo, is a must-read for anyone interested in Zionism, the I/P conflict etc. When I was first exposed to his work over a decade ago, it was an eye-opening experience for me. I was just beginning to post about the I/P issue and was shocked at the McCarthyistic “New Anti-Semitism” charges being hurled at me and at the complete disrespect for any notions of free speech and critical thinking exhibited by Jewish Zionists. Shahak gave me some insights into why I was experiencing such virulent closed-mindedness.

      Now, years later, after much research and study , I see Shahak’s ideas on the “Jewish Ideology”, and the legacy of Classical Judaism– hugely important, insightful, and valid as they are,– as reflecting an overly narrow approach to understanding Zionism, the I/P conflict etc.

      By the way, in “Jewish History, Jewish Religion” Shahak uses the word “ghetto” only once, in this sentence:

      There are two choices which face Israeli-Jewish society. It can become a fully closed and warlike ghetto, a Jewish Sparta, supported by the labour of Arab helots, kept in existence by its influence on the US political establishment and by threats to use its nuclear power, or it can try to become an open society.

      • Keith
        January 12, 2016, 10:30 am

        SIBIRIAK- “Now, years later, after much research and study , I see Shahak’s ideas on the “Jewish Ideology”, and the legacy of Classical Judaism– hugely important, insightful, and valid as they are,– as reflecting an overly narrow approach to understanding Zionism, the I/P conflict etc.”

        Shahak, like the rest of us, is only human. It is almost impossible to completely escape the influence of our environment and experiences. Remember, Shahak is speaking from the perspective of a secular Israeli Jew. His experiences in Israel obviously strongly affected him. Witness our own Danaa or Yoni Falic. Perhaps if Shahak had moved to the US in later life he would have modified his views somewhat based upon new insights gained from a different perspective. I suspect that his differences with Noam Chomsky on the power of the Israel Lobby stems from the same difference in perspective. Then, of course, there are the changes over time as Zionism continues to evolve. My own perspective continues to evolve as new experience leads to new insight. Zionism and its effect upon power relations has become an important part of political economy which we should be able to discuss without fear of intimidation.

      • hophmi
        January 12, 2016, 12:29 pm

        The question is when there are dozens and dozens of books by actual historians about Jewish history, why everyone here relies on Shahak’s polemic. It’s very curious. Actually, it’s not so curious. I think the reasons are obvious.

      • YoniFalic
        January 12, 2016, 1:23 pm

        I do not use or cite Shahak, whom I consider a non-historian autodidact, who does some interesting cherry-picking that is for the most part irrelevant to the history of violence committed since the collapse of Poland by ethnic Eastern Europeans, whose ancestors practiced Rabbinic Judaism in various territories dominated by Polish and related nobility or elites.

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2016, 1:31 pm

        “I do not use or cite Shahak, whom I consider a non-historian autodidact”

        I cut him some slack. I mean, look, Israel and Zionism can do that to a person.

      • lysias
        January 12, 2016, 2:15 pm

        Autodidacts are capable of uttering inconvenient truths that members of the professional guild of historians lack the nerve to say.

      • Philemon
        January 12, 2016, 11:32 pm

        YoniFalic could give us his approved historians. Well, some of them might not be approved by the yuckiticky-yuks, but you you know what I mean.

  33. Alexandre Leite
    January 9, 2016, 7:32 pm

    I’ve just published a translation to Portuguese of your text here: http://investigandoonovoimperialismo.blogs.sapo.pt/adolescente-americana-amecada-pela-60740

  34. xanadou
    January 9, 2016, 9:55 pm

    Mr. Mooser,

    You are entitled to your opinion and to disagree with my opinion.
    (No, this is not an attempt to give or deny permission)

    It’s also helpful to read the comment as the author’s intent to understand the subject at hand, rather than superimpose one’s own irate translation of said comment, and then offer it as a response to something that is not there.
    (No, this is not a lesson on basic civility, or writing.)

    Rather than nit pick, it’s more helpful to express one’s POV why one’s interlocutor’s POV may be incorrect, seen as offensive, inciting, or other. Quoting, then twisting my words does not explain why you think that the expression “ghetto mentality” is racist or inappropriate or judgmental. It is not my intention to offend, but rather to understand why these instances of mass very similar thinking happen.

    Nevertheless, if I have somehow offended anyone, however inadvertently, it was not intended to cast aspersions on you or any Jewish community. If I have hurt your feelings, I hope you will accept my apology.
    But until I get a convincing answer to my concern, I stand by my conviction and language.

    Therefore, is ghetto mentality induced by fear, lack of exposure to differing POVs, social programming? Other? Before and during the Cold War the West was under the impression that all Russians blindly supported the status quo. Just read about the unholy Troyka: Stalin/Beria/Yagoda, and choosing self preservation suddenly makes sense.
    Conversely, is the theatre of the US congress rising and clapping in unison while intently gazing at Not Our Leader’s visage an expression of honest admiration for the uninvited PM’s patronising clap trap, or fear of being seen by moneybags as not sufficiently deferential to a foreign puppet master?

    It also helps to avoid absolutes. The word ghetto is usually understood as a physical area, because of the term’s genesis. But excluding one or more individuals from a group, as in the reaction meted out to Ms. Betheny, is also a form of “ghettoization”.

    Where I live, the local Black Shirts are trying to run me out of my home by degrees. We are now at a point where during the last few days I have been threatened with death: by hanging or strangulation. Why? Because I don’t think I should be harassed out of my home to submit to a nur fur exclusive project that is happening at the expense of people who have lived in this area for decades?
    (No, I’m not asking for sympathy or pity. Just trying to understand why anyone would think that an integrated ‘hood is not essentially a safer concept. Or if these people want a nur fur hood, why will they not seek out and develop their own exclusive settlement while there is still land available for such a purpose.)

    And you should really do something about those hackles.
    (No, I am not trying to intrude on your styling preferences. Just trying to not let an important subject addressed so well by so young and smart a person, to obfuscate the important issue at hand: a young woman’s right to choose issues and ideals that are important to her whether just for today, or longer).

    • Mooser
      January 10, 2016, 12:30 am

      “Where I live, the local Black Shirts are trying to run me out of my home by degrees. We are now at a point where during the last few days I have been threatened with death: by hanging or strangulation.”

      Now the “local Black Shirts” are trying to run you out of your home “by degrees”? And last time you had trouble with Zionist “5th column” intruders in your house:

      “All this as I can hear the trespasser walking around on the upper floor of my house, looking for something to destroy or steal. I am not the only one thusly abused by the obtuse Israeli flunkies.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/xanadou/2#sthash.nTuJCpaa.dpuf

      Okay then, “xanadou” you got big problems to deal with, so we won’t sweat the small stuff. Take care, best of luck.

      BTW, you should really write these incidents up for Mondo. That’s not a Twitter fracas, that’s real life and death stuff!

      • xanadou
        January 10, 2016, 3:15 pm

        Mr. Mooser,

        One of the reason for uniforms was/is to make the bodies trapped within to look alike, i.e., a Moloch without identifiable parts, which also makes singling out offending uniformed individuals so much harder.

        So the 5th column cannot be made to look like a single organism by wearing black uniforms, that extends to the use of black cars with dealership plates and dark windshields intended to obscure identities of one’s pursuers, and to have a variety of tactics intended to intimidate and/or impoverish? (rhetorical)

        I have used my experience as a real-life underlying example for what informs my general extrapolations, not to presume on anyone’s pity. My experience is something that I have to deal with by myself in view of the cops’ “This (crime investigation) is not something that we do”, or another federal entity’s “We don’t cater to individuals”. Not a surprise in view of what passes for a uniformed domestic army in the service to our pathocrats and their b/s “To protect and serve”.
        Something to remember when the “terrsts” strike again.
        http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/counted-us-police-killings

        Mondoweiss is a venue that is doing battle with overarching issues with implications for the future of a great many. Let’s keep it together without diluting it with idiosyncracies. But your concern for this individual is appreciated.

      • Mooser
        January 10, 2016, 3:38 pm

        “Let’s keep it together without diluting it with idiosyncracies”

        “Gosh, I’m sorry, was I doing that?” he said, backing away. “Won’t happen again…”

    • Mooser
      January 10, 2016, 12:44 pm

      “Nevertheless, if I have somehow offended anyone, however inadvertently, it was not intended to cast aspersions on you or any Jewish community.”

      No “xanadou” don’t worry, no Jews were harmed, or even touched, in the making or your comments.

      Anyway, I hope your problems with home invasion and possible illegal eviction (“by degrees”? Pay your utilities!) ends soon.

      • xanadou
        January 10, 2016, 3:26 pm

        Mr. Mooser,
        There are no grounds for eviction, all bills are paid.
        But not for want of creating such a situation, inter alia by stealing one’s mail then “returning” it months later. Like the (unnecessary official letter re title to my property).
        Or using my printer to copy my documents.
        Or attempt to create havoc with my mortgage with the possible help of a 5th columnist within the fin.institution, considering some of the transpired inanities.

        Experiences that I use to insist that people educate themselves before attempting to partake in whatever the experience.

      • Mooser
        January 10, 2016, 4:45 pm

        “Experiences that I use to insist that people educate themselves before attempting to partake in whatever the experience.”

        Well, he turned and screamed at a “5th Columnist”
        And that’s the break I was looking for!
        And you could hear me screaming a mile away
        As I was headed out toward your door…

  35. Michael Lesher
    January 9, 2016, 11:35 pm

    Annie, this is a great story. I hope we can keep attention on it and really embarrass this school’s administration for trying to suppress free speech — and a student telling the truth.

  36. vincent
    January 10, 2016, 3:38 am

    IMO, it looks like school administrators might have known Ms Koval wasn’t bullying anyone but contrived to make it seem like she was and they did so by bullying her.

    Like a certain extreme made mainstream political party in the US that emulalates the Israeli right wing government these school authoritarians thought they could get away with it.

  37. xanadou
    January 10, 2016, 11:42 pm

    Mx. Philemon, re pathocracy

    Would that I were smart enough to coin the term. It was, however, created by a Polish psychiatrist, Andrew Lobaczewski, for his book
    “Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes”.

    The book is not a quick and easy read, so below I have provided a link to a good summary and definition:
    https://pathocracy.wordpress.com/definition/

    • lysias
      January 11, 2016, 2:32 pm

      Word I like is “kakistocracy”.

      • xanadou
        January 12, 2016, 12:08 am

        Kakistocracy: government under the control of a nation’s worst or least-qualified citizens. (wikipedia)

        What we had under Bush#2, and will again soon if Trump is elected.

      • RoHa
        January 12, 2016, 2:23 am

        Kakistocracy: the normal situation.

  38. xanadou
    January 11, 2016, 2:46 pm

    “For the times they are a-changin’…”
    Bobby Dylan sang about it, and the present time confirms it:

    “Muslim Woman & Jewish Man Booted from Trump Rally for Silent Protest Against Islamophobia”
    http://m.democracynow.org/stories/15854

    Democracy Now has today aired a great interview, yet another excellent example that proves that Judaism and Zionism are NOT one and the same, and that the diaspora Jews are a quickly growing society who shares the planet together with, NOT separate from, the global community.

    Ms. Annie, does MW accept suggestions for content?
    If yes, would you be open to speaking with Cousellor Rosenbluth on how he had come to join Ms. Hamid in her defiance of Trump’s vile rhetoric, beyond the Trump incident?

    DM’s interview correctly focuses primarily on Ms. Hamid, but the Counsellor’s story is just as interesting.

  39. Ossinev
    January 11, 2016, 3:01 pm

    @’hophmi
    “Jews are highly assimilated,”

    And classic examples of this unique assimilation in the US are the wonderfully assimilated Mr.Pollard and best of all the thousands of de-assimilating “Jewish “pilgrims” who do the Aliyah shuffle to the West Bank so they can get to do their John Wayne impressions viz wearing their guns (best of all in low slung holsters) and being able to do real live practice by shooting at octagenarian Palestinian olive farmers or better still ornery pebble bearing Palestinian teenagers. All of this while their IDF cousins look on in admiration of their bravery and how quickly they have assimilated into the way out east colonial lifestyle.

    • hophmi
      January 11, 2016, 3:55 pm

      Right, so because one guy is a spy, he’s your representative of all US Jews. Remember folks, it’s anti-Zionism, not antisemitism.

    • Steve Grover
      January 11, 2016, 4:01 pm

      Yes and for that “assimilation” Pollard got to spend 6X more time as a guest of the FBOP than anyone else convicted of a similar crime.

      • Mooser
        January 11, 2016, 4:32 pm

        “Yes and for that “assimilation” Pollard got to spend 6X more time as a guest of the FBOP than anyone else convicted of a similar crime.”

        And if pollard had only renounced his US citizenship, the Judge would have declared a mistrial, and said “No harm, no foul”?

      • Annie Robbins
        January 11, 2016, 5:27 pm

        it was treason what pollard did. no one has been convicted of turning over as much info to a foreign gov as he did, so how do you come up w/this 6X figure? and then israel gave a bunch to russia. seriously — he’s lucky he wasn’t executed or life in prison.

      • RoHa
        January 11, 2016, 7:00 pm

        “he’s lucky he wasn’t executed or life in prison.”

        Luckier than the Rosenbergs. The American courts were even more anti-Semitic to them.

      • YoniFalic
        January 12, 2016, 9:09 am

        I looked up the Rosenberg case. Judge Irving Kaufman was “Jewish”. US Attorney Irving Saypol was “Jewish”. Assistant US Attorney Roy Cohn was “Jewish”.

        [I quote the word “Jewish” because I object to the use of word in an ethnic sense, which today supports an illegitimate and evil claim to Palestine as well as genocide of the native population. All three of the above men were like me ethnic Eastern Europeans, whose ancestors converted to Judaism and practiced Jewish religion.]

      • hophmi
        January 12, 2016, 12:35 pm

        No Annie, treason has a specific definition, and it’s not what Pollard did. You seem not to understand much about Pollard’s case or the law. Pollard would likely have spent less than a decade in jail if he had behaved between his plea and the sentencing. He’s obviously an unbalanced guy. He also stayed in prison much longer than he had to because he repeatedly refused to apply for parole.

        Look Annie, you can on and on all you want about people like Jonathan Pollard; the fact of the matter is that the US works closely with Israel on defense and security matters, and will continue to do so, and anyone involved in that work can explain to you why the relationship is close and will remain close. I understand that cases like Pollard provide you with great propaganda.

        But if you actually think that our allies don’t spy on us, or that we don’t spy on them, you’re unbelievably naive.

      • Steve Grover
        January 12, 2016, 2:30 pm

        Annie,
        Would you have approved if Pollard were sentenced to death and executed?

      • Annie Robbins
        January 12, 2016, 4:43 pm

        i’m against the death penalty steve.

        (edit, it just occurred to me this might be another of those set up comment where i reply and arugula goes on a multiple paragraph bender of whataboutery. i might have to stop answering these seemingly oneliner questions if that keeps happening)

        and hops, your minimalizing of pollard’s crimes is noted… and preposterous. no worries, i won’t be arguing against your ridiculous position because it’s a waste of time.

      • Steve Grover
        January 12, 2016, 8:19 pm

        Annie,
        I am against the death penalty as well.
        I like what you said. See quote. I am glad you are able to empathize with a Zionist posting on MW.
        “(edit, it just occurred to me this might be another of those set up comment where i reply and arugula goes on a multiple paragraph bender of whataboutery. i might have to stop answering these seemingly oneliner questions if that keeps happening)”

    • Mooser
      January 11, 2016, 4:36 pm

      “all the thousands of de-assimilating “Jewish “pilgrims” who do the Aliyah shuffle “

      Yup, all those pilgrims renounce their US citizenship, officially, and de-assimilate! No, they do not. It’s their escape clause, and a lot more besides.

    • rugal_b
      January 12, 2016, 12:08 pm

      “it was treason what pollard did. no one has been convicted of turning over as much info to a foreign gov as he did, so how do you come up w/this 6X figure? and then israel gave a bunch to russia. seriously — he’s lucky he wasn’t executed or life in prison.” – Annie

      He did what he felt right despite the real risk of execution or life in prison, so I respect him for that. Even if he died in prison, I am sure he would have gone with his heart at peace and a clear conscience. [..]

      What’s more sad is those who have a conscious and a sense of morality for their actions, are the ones who are currently suffering in the streets and institutions, due to the immense level of psychological trauma they have to endure for the simple crime of being loyal to their own government.

      • Mooser
        January 12, 2016, 1:43 pm

        “He did what he felt right despite the real risk of execution or life in prison, so I respect him for that.”

        Oh, I’m sure you do! It was a blow for freedom! A blow at the Empire! Equalizing the balance of power between big and small, third-world, oppressed nations!

      • echinococcus
        January 12, 2016, 4:26 pm

        “Rugalb says:

        “He did what he felt right despite the real risk of execution or life in prison, so I respect him for that”

        As you well know that he did it for mucho money, you can stop pretending and express your undying respects for having been a Zionist spy.
        I just love the zest in your attacking all Americans loyal to the government –except the Zionists.
        Ilustrates, I imagine, the way JVP expects to obtain “peace”

  40. German Lefty
    January 11, 2016, 3:06 pm

    Another conflation of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism:
    Police investigate caller who made antisemitic comments on BBC phone-in
    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/152188/police-investigate-caller-who-made-antisemitic-comments-bbc-phone

    • Annie Robbins
      January 11, 2016, 3:42 pm

      hm GL, i think that was a little more than “conflation of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism”, but i certainly don’t think the police should be investigating the caller. if you have an open radio station where guests are invited to share their opinions of anti semitism, it’s not the fault of the guests if the radio decides to broadcast one guest for 13 minutes who holds controversial (or racist) view. if we had that standard here the police would be chasing down a whole slew of media broadcast guests who spout racist conspiracy type views, including trump.

      but i do think it’s amusing the police are chasing around under the instruction of the Board of Deputies of British Jews. and demanding the BBC to hand over details of the caller to the police. that demonstrates and inordinate amount of power/influence of the Board of Deputies of British Jews over over the BBC and the police. in fact, it rather supports/demonstrates the notion the caller was expressing. i am surprised they followed instructions or the police took them up on it. unless there are some laws in the UK i’m not familiar with that would make those opinions illegal.

      • German Lefty
        January 13, 2016, 10:10 am

        @ Annie
        I totally agree with you. Particularly with this part: “that demonstrates an inordinate amount of power/influence of the Board of Deputies of British Jews over the BBC and the police. in fact, it rather supports/demonstrates the notion the caller was expressing.” If (Zionist) Jews (as a group) were as powerless as they claim, the state wouldn’t bother to fight (actual or imaginary) anti-Semitism to such a degree. This reminds me of the quote: “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you’re not allowed to criticize.”

  41. Ossinev
    January 12, 2016, 10:01 am

    @hophmi
    “Right, so because one guy is a spy, he’s your representative of all US Jews. Remember folks, it’s anti-Zionism, not antisemitism”.

    I could have sworn I referred to “thousands” de-assimilating. Just checking – yup I definitely did refer to thousands. Never mind onwards as they say.

    BTW You need to contact Hasbara Central as a matter of urgency. Anti-Semitism and Anti – Zionism appear to be losing favour – ” Israelophobia” and “Israelophobic” are the new de luxe slurs.

    KUTGW

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