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Last week the site +972 published a disturbing piece by Noam Rotem and the pseudonymous John Brown about the killing of two Palestinian youths inside an occupied village six years ago. The article was first published on a Hebrew site called Local Call.

Muhammed Qadus, 15, and Usaid Qadus, 17, were shot and killed on March 20, 2010, when an Israeli unit entered their occupied village outside Nablus, because settlers had been coming on to village lands, setting off stone-throwing by young men. Muhammed and Usaid had just been dropped off in the village by a taxi, when this happened:

The deputy battalion commander, Major R., testified that during the soldiers’ retreat, he himself shot two rubber bullets towards the protesters who were standing at a distance of 70 meters (230 feet), and saw that one of them was hit in his arm. In reality, the first shot hit Usaid’s head and the bullet pierced his skull. The second shot hit Muhammed’s chest as he rushed toward Usaid. The shots were fired from a heavy-barrel rifle, preferred by sharpshooters, with an advanced scope.

During an investigation of the incident, Major R. stood by the claim that he had fired rubber bullets at the youths. The problem was that doctors who examined the boys’ wounds said they had been hit by live fire. And the x-ray of Usaid’s skull, above, confirmed this understanding.

Usaid and Muhammed Qadus, from +972 story

Usaid and Muhammed Qadus, from +972 story

Not only was Major R. never charged with the killings, let alone lying about his gun– but this is how the Israeli army recently responded to the investigation by Local Call journalists Brown and Rotem.

On March 20, 2010, a violent riot took place on the outskirts of the village of Iraq Burin. Following claims that Muhammed and Usaid Qadus were shot by an IDF soldier, a comprehensive military police investigation was immediately initiated, to clarify the circumstances of this incident. According to the findings of this investigation, the rioters threw stones [massively] at an IDF force, in a way which posed a real threat to the soldiers. In response, the commander of the force shot in the direction of the rioters.

According to the findings of the investigation, it was impossible to rule out the officer’s claim that the shooting had been carried out with rubber bullets only, and it was impossible to conclude that the shooting led to the death of the deceased, due to a refusal on the part of their families to conduct an autopsy at the time. Therefore, it was decided to close the case.

In other words, the lie about the bullet in 2010 was repeated recently, in 2016, in an effort to make the case disappear. The major is clearly lying. The army response to reports is absurd and an insult to intelligence, on its face; and yet the Israeli army never believes that it will face any consequences for stonewalling and lies. And forgive me for my ballistical analysis, but doesn’t it look like that bullet entered the back of Qusay’s head?

The investigative reporters at Local Call also related the following about Major R.

We usually do not deal with the motives leading to killing incidents, but in this case there is what appears to be relevant material. R. has posted vulgar and offensive comments about Palestinians on his Facebook page in the past. For example, in July 2014, he wrote that “in Gaza there are two kinds of gnats, and both go up to the sky when they meet the IDF.” He also liked comments stating that Arabs were primitive, as well as comments calling leftists the Hebrew equivalent of “kike.”

This ideology may have played a role in the shooting. Perhaps not. In any case, it is a blood-curdling case.

Yakov Hirsch read the statements by Major R and relates them to the current climate in Israel in support of the medic who killed a Palestinian man lying incapacitated on the ground in March: 
The story that will never be told Is how much of the Israeli killings and the “mistakes” by soldiers, come from “incitement” by Benjamin Netanyahu and others about the Palestinians,  from the result of the best Hasbara campaign of all time, the successful dehumanization of the Palestinian people. 

In my opinion, the long and short of this story and a hundred others, is that as much as Israel can get away with, they treat  their own  soldiers who commit war crimes against the Palestinians  as if they were  are  all  part of the same tribal war against their Palestinian enemy. It goes without saying  there  is no comparable mindset in any western army in the world.

Thanks to Ofer Neiman.

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  1. johneill
    July 29, 2016, 12:16 pm

    i absolutely love the diversity of different writers this donation-season, (despite my fiscal inability to donate; due to my youth..?) but where’s hirsch been at?

    • Mooser
      July 29, 2016, 1:06 pm

      “but where’s hirsch been at?”

      I was somewhat disconcerted by the breadth of his promises for his next articles.
      I guess we will see. Yakov, I would think, knows when to hold ’em, knows when to fold ’em, knows when to walk away, and when to run.

      • Yakov Hirsch
        July 29, 2016, 3:42 pm

        Ask and ye shall receive.

      • Mooser
        July 29, 2016, 3:50 pm

        “Ask and ye shall receive.”

        I am ready to ‘read ’em and weep’ any time, “Yakov”! Or at such time when you are ready. They’ll be time enough for weepin’ when the reading’s done.

  2. Jon66
    July 29, 2016, 6:17 pm

    I guess the major didn’t get the memo from JVP that the appropriate analogy of humans to insect pests is a termite.

    • Mooser
      July 29, 2016, 9:51 pm

      Why are Zionists such goddam inveterate whiners?

    • Marnie
      July 30, 2016, 12:02 am

      Why are the defenders of injustice always looking for sympathy?

      • Jon66
        July 30, 2016, 2:24 pm

        Not sympathy.
        Clarity.

      • Marnie
        July 31, 2016, 12:11 am

        You’ve been given clarity. You’re minimization of the murders of two young men is the perfect example of the zionist attitude that the only lives that matter are Jewish lives.

      • Marnie
        July 31, 2016, 10:53 am

        Do you realize you spoke as a defender of injustice? Thanks for the clarification.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 31, 2016, 11:29 am

        jon’s still trying to get more mileage from the latest hasbara lie de jure. — spammer that he is. deflect divert deflect divert etc etc.

      • Jon66
        July 31, 2016, 12:07 pm

        I didn’t claim the evidence was false or that the events portrayed in the article were not true. I merely pointed out that an X-ray by itself is not proof. It has to be substantiated with an examination. I don’t see how that’s controversial.

      • Annie Robbins
        July 31, 2016, 12:43 pm

        jon, did you read the 972 article? the National Center of Forensic Medicine stated the shooting was “most probably carried out with live bullets” according to the military police and

        numerous physicians and forensic pathologists concluded that the bullets that killed Usaid and Muhammed Qadus were live bullets.

        your comment suggests there was not a substantial examination nor an investigation. that’s simply incorrect. did you read this:

        the metal bullet can be seen clearly in an X-ray of Usaid’s head, taken at the Nablus hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

        can you please link to supporting evidence to back up your suggestion that “an X-ray by itself” is all the evidence here? because National Center of Forensic Medicine and numerous physicians and forensic pathologists concluded that the bullets that killed Usaid and Muhammed Qadus were live bullets. they would not have made those statements had their been no examination.

        R.’s weapon was incapable of firing rubber bullets, and according to a testimony by the non-commissioned officer in charge of the brigade’s armory, there were no suitable barrel attachments used for firing rubber bullets available at the time; R.’s rifle barrel was heavy (thicker), and the barrel attachments available in the brigade at the time were too narrow, and hence, unsuitable for his weapon.

        In addition, R. did not have at his disposal a magazine suitable for shooting rubber bullets. Bullets used with the rubber bullet barrel attachment are supposed to be loaded in a magazine marked with colorful tape. None of the witnesses saw such a magazine that day.

        it sounds like you’re grasping at straws.

      • echinococcus
        July 31, 2016, 12:40 pm

        John 66, unable to understand something as simple as “that picture is an illustration, not offered as medical evidence”, claims he was given a medical degree and a license.
        Time to check out your doctor for herhis IQ. Dangerous world we live in.

      • Jon66
        July 31, 2016, 2:08 pm

        Annie
        I’m not denying the boy was shot by a live bullet nor am I claiming that an X-ray is the only evidence. If there has been a corroborating examination than the matter should be settled. Drawing conclusions from the X-ray alone, like the direction the shot was fired, are the issue I have problems with.

      • echinococcus
        July 31, 2016, 9:26 pm

        Deafer and deafer, that John 66. Still doesn’t get it that it was sais at the start and written all over the place that the matter had been adjudicated and nobody was calling him to diagnose.

      • Marnie
        August 1, 2016, 12:13 am

        I don’t know if you’ve been made aware of this surgeon ‘jon66’ but you sound just like history scholar extraordinaire ‘jons’ in that you both are textbook examples of the banality of evil Hannah Arendt wrote about.

        ‘I didn’t claim the evidence was false or that the events portrayed in the article were not true. I merely pointed out that an X-ray by itself is not proof. It has to be substantiated with an examination. I don’t see how that’s controversial’

        I don’t like the findings! It’s all lies, lies, lies!!!

        ‘Annie I’m not denying the boy was shot by a live bullet nor am I claiming that an X-ray is the only evidence. If there has been a corroborating examination than the matter should be settled. Drawing conclusions from the X-ray alone, like the direction the shot was fired, are the issue I have problems with.’

        You’re creating a conspiracy where there isn’t one. You haven’t been reading the articles, here or elsewhere. You’re being ridiculous.
        The execution of Usaid by major ‘r’ (as in recidivist) was investigated and reported based on the pathologic, radiologic and ME reports. Maybe you should bring up your concerns to the proper authorities and stfu about it.

      • echinococcus
        August 1, 2016, 1:17 am

        Marnie,

        Here’s a sawbuck says he’ll go on a while longer “not denying” and screeching.

      • Marnie
        August 1, 2016, 8:00 am

        “Here’s a sawbuck says he’ll go on a while longer “not denying” and screeching.”

        Don’t forget ‘not denying’ and ‘screechings’ BFF – Clarity.

  3. DaBakr
    July 29, 2016, 10:18 pm

    pw is so filled with outrage that his so-called ‘intelligence’ was insulted. anybody who knows much about a sniper rifle would most likely explain that a live fire bullet shot from 70m would likely have pierced the young mans skull let alone not shattering it.

    also-where is the chest x-ray of the other young man shot and killed? was there an autopsy provided for him?

    there is a bullet in the skull shown in the x-ray-that much is clear. had the bullet been recovered it might have provided much more conclusive evidence. but then most mw readers already have an anti-israeli belief system in place so it doesn’t take much in the way of ‘proof’ to cause outrage and an insult to ones level of intelligence-whatever intelligence that may be for insulting

    • Marnie
      July 30, 2016, 12:01 am

      Sour grapes, as per usual.

      • eljay
        July 30, 2016, 8:25 am

        || Marnie: Sour grapes, as per usual. ||

        Nah, it’s not sour grapes. aBr is merely stating that it is perfectly acceptable for non-Jews to continually oppress Jews and then, when those Jews rise up in protest, to put bullets into their skulls.

        I disagree with his assertion and continue not to comprehend why Zio-supremacists hate Jews so much.

      • DaBakr
        July 31, 2016, 1:41 am

        @m

        yeah-i don’t get the “sour grapes” reference either. if there is more conclusive proof-as in proof that would hold up in a court of law-a US court of law for exp.-i have no problem with the major facing an indictment. a simple x-ray with no context may be proof on mw but that isn’t my problem. its yours. you’d be a great jurist. you have the major tried and convicted. i would pity the people under a govt. run by the likes of you.

      • Marnie
        August 1, 2016, 3:30 am

        @doh!

        “i would pity the people under a govt. run by the likes of you.”

        Ok, sour grapes was wrong, sheesh!

        eljay was ‘spot on’, per usual :)

    • oldgeezer
      July 30, 2016, 12:07 am

      @duhbaker

      You blew any credibility to discuss ballistics when you relied on the lyin of zyin analysis of the shooting outside of Ofir prison which showed that it wasn’t possible that the two youth were shot by Israelis. The same shooting caught on tape… the same shooting which resulted in the arrest of the Israeli shooter.

      • DaBakr
        July 31, 2016, 2:04 am

        @gz

        i have never in the entire time i have read anything in mw that would point to anyone of the regular zionist-israel-hating posters ever thought zionists had any credibility so don’t give me your lame sht that i “blew” any credibility to discuss anything. nobody here thinks zionist have any credibility . you don’t even think we are jews for fcks sake. you really think i care what you think is ‘credible’ or not from my posts? get over yourself. you really think i come here to convince any israel haters to change their minds? that is a big laugh. much funnier then anything spewed from the “potty” fixated mind of the clown prince of MW-PW’s alter-ego: mooser

      • Mooser
        July 31, 2016, 12:28 pm

        “you don’t even think we are jews for fcks sake.”

        In that case, “DaBakr” I guess you can stop worrying about “anti-Semitism”, huh? Isn’t that nice?

        And you would be right not to worry. You are being judged as a person. You’re the one who keeps insisting it’s all about being “Jews”(“for fcks sake”).

      • Marnie
        August 2, 2016, 12:50 am

        @doh!

        If only some magical keyboard fairy could loose the chains that bind you against your will to the pages of Mondoweiss! It must be positively hell for you being held captive by the occupation of your mind with Mondoweiss. Am praying for your liberation as I type….

        Meanwhile, enjoy your occupation-free water, that’s relatively safe for you to drink, and your occupation-free electricity to power your fan or air conditioner on these terribly hot weeks we’ve had.

    • oldgeezer
      July 30, 2016, 12:12 am

      @dohbaker

      There is nothing wrong with being “anti Israeli” as it is a human rights abusing state which is violating international law, international humam rights law, the Geneva Conventions on a daily basid. In fact it has been found to have been perpetrating flagrant violations of the GC.

      There is something deviant and perverse in supporting such a state. Are there worse? Irrelevant. It deserves no support as a criminal state.

    • Talkback
      July 30, 2016, 3:23 am

      DaBakr: “a sniper rifle”

      Nobody said a word about a “sniper rifle”. And the whole issue is about the lie that rubber-coated bullets were used from this distance and had this lethal effect. Of course you would never question this here.

      DaBakr: “anti-israeli belief system”

      Another pathetic try do imply, that it is not Israel’s action towards the Palestinians that raise opposition (resistance or even hate) against Israel, but that it’s somehow the victims or their supporters fault or even hate. That’s pathological narcissism on the side of the likes of you.

    • Jon66
      July 30, 2016, 7:46 am

      The x-Ray alone does not provide evidence of a bullet in the skull. Because an x-Ray is a two dimensional picture, the bullet could be lying on the skin, under the scalp, or in the skull and all of these would appear the same on the x-Ray. An examination of the person at the time of the x-Ray or a CAT scan would clarify things.

      • echinococcus
        July 30, 2016, 11:22 am

        Oh no, it was a photoshop creation exclusively for Mondoweiss readers. There was no pa, no phys exam, just this, so that John66, the High Judge over MW, would be confused.
        And of course, there is no military in Palestine, no occupation, no weapons. Heck, there aren’t even bullets! All a fake,
        If you made it as far as “See Spot Run”, you made it too far for your cognitive level. I’d sue the State that gave you a license.

      • Jon66
        July 30, 2016, 2:22 pm

        Echi,

        I’ll defer to you on all those things. My statement about x-rays stands unless you have developed a means to judge the third dimension from a two dimensional film.

      • echinococcus
        July 30, 2016, 7:07 pm

        John66 : your cognitive impairment reached the point where you can’t tell the most elementary things apart.
        That isn’t a hospital chart prepared for someone competent to inspect, *&^%. It is one illustration on a totally lay website (well, at least medically lay). No one was asking your **&^% advice; we all know where that bullet was.

      • Jon66
        July 30, 2016, 10:51 pm

        Echi,
        “we all know where that bullet was.”

        That’s impressive.

      • David44
        July 31, 2016, 2:10 am

        “Because an x-Ray is a two dimensional picture, the bullet could be lying on the skin, under the scalp, or in the skull and all of these would appear the same on the x-Ray.”

        Not true: they would not appear the same. The visible space in the skull surrounding the bullet, and the shadow marking the pathway through the skull by which the bullet reached there, would not be present were the bullet on the skin or under the scalp.

        Not to mention the obvious question. This X-ray came from the Nablus hospital. Who (except a paranoid anti-Arab conspiracy theorist) would think that a hospital would put a bullet on top of the skull when taking an X-ray?

      • DaBakr
        July 31, 2016, 2:19 am

        @ec

        i don’t claim to be a ballistics expert but an x-ray-wether it is 100% legitimate or not tells very little. there is no explanation for why a live-fire round could smash through a skull and remain in its unscathed shape out of the casing. doesn’t even look like the sharp tip has deformed. now-could this be possible? maybe. but it isn’t a high probability and needs more evidence then the x-ray. but it makes for a typically hyper mw article.

        and-btw-if your going to accuse another zionist here of having low comprehension skills for not accepting outright that an x-ray is definitive in this incident in our long running conflict then you can check your own-and most of your other fellow zionist haters-comprehension at the door. you are part of the same bunch of people who claim almost every act of murder, mayhem and deception committed by arabs against jew is a legitimate form of protest or a ‘false flag’ op committed by zionists.

      • David44
        August 1, 2016, 6:47 am

        “There is no explanation for why a live-fire round could smash through a skull and remain in its unscathed shape out of the casing. doesn’t even look like the sharp tip has deformed. now-could this be possible? maybe. but it isn’t a high probability”

        On what basis do you (as a self-acknowledged non-expert) claim that “it isn’t a high probability”? I ran a quick internet search for x-rays of bullets in skulls, and came up with (e.g.) http://www.gettyimages.it/pictures/an-x-ray-reveals-a-bullet-lodged-in-the-skull-of-an-afghan-news-photo-534242806, or http://www.edp24.co.uk/polopoly_fs/1.4611125!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/image.jpg, or http://www.jsp.org.pk/Issues/JSP%2015%20(2)%20April%20-%20June%202010/miraj%20us%20siraj%20CR.pdf. All x-rays of sharp-nosed bullets lodged in skulls; all show the bullet in an unscathed shape out of the casing; not a single one shows the tip distorted.

        So, as far as I can see, your claims about what one would expect to see in an x-ray when a bullet is lodged in a skull are based on nothing more than wishful thinking . You have no real basis for skepticism here – but you have decided to be skeptical anyway, because you would rather be skeptical than confront what all the evidence assembled by the 972 article suggests happened here.

  4. Ossinev
    July 31, 2016, 8:22 am

    “According to the findings of this investigation, the rioters threw stones [massively] at an IDF force, in a way which posed a real threat to the soldiers”

    It must be so terrifying for these poor little IDF dears and the DaBakrs and Jons`s of this world must be tossing and turning in their sleep worrying about the horrible threats which their lightly armed Defenders of Zion are facing on a daily basis from these terrifying brutal squatters with their qualitative edge stones.

    • inbound39
      August 1, 2016, 1:11 am

      Makes me wonder how the IDF will cope against an adequately armed force in the future, or maybe it answers why they haven’t.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 1, 2016, 4:31 am

        the US provides them with that “qualitative [military] edge” so they won’t ever have to. the idf diaper brigade, only capable of suppressing the already massively oppressed. not impressive in the least.

      • inbound39
        August 2, 2016, 8:45 am

        Somehow Annie I disagree with the IDF never having to go up against an adequately armed force. I see it getting closer the bolder they get when they openly murder Palestinians in full public view. You can push people so far and you can push nations so far. I don’t believe the Zionist Regime thinks far enough ahead… they act like they are invincible now…..that foretells a fall not far off.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 2, 2016, 12:05 pm

        I disagree with the IDF never having to go up against an adequately armed force.

        i disagree with that idea too inbound.

  5. Talkback
    August 1, 2016, 4:00 pm

    When I read some “expert” comments of our local Zionists it reminds me of what Deborah Lipstadt once said about Holocaust deniers:

    “I, as a principle, do not believe in debating Holocaust deniers because it is like trying to nail a glob of jelly to the wall,” she said. “You cannot debate liars.”
    http://ndsmcobserver.com/2009/03/lipstadt-examines-holocaust-denial/

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