I’m not worried about anti-Semitism

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One of the aftershocks of the Trump upset is the assertion by Jewish intellectuals that Jews are now not safe in America. Peter Beinart wrote, “I keep hearing my grandmother’s voice in my ear”– his immigrant grandmother who said “a Jew must always know when to leave the sinking ship.” Chemi Shalev has all but urged American Jews to leave an unfriendly America for Israel, saying they’d be welcome with open arms. Liel Leibovitz has compared America to Nazi Germany. Even David Remnick has said, “It can happen here,” with all the dark echoes that implies.

Any judgment about Jewish safety is of course highly personal; especially when no one in power has threatened Jews, and the threat is a shadowy prospect. So speaking for myself: I don’t feel any less safe in America under Donald Trump. I live in a county that voted for Trump and I don’t think Jews are threatened. I recognize the disturbing rise in anti-Semitic speech in the last year; but I think others have much more to fear in Trump’s America: Muslims and Hispanics and urban African-Americans. And though all fears are *real* especially when so many people are stating them, I see the Jewish fears as overblown and even self-involved, and an indication not of physical threats or discrimination but a potential shift in Jewish status inside the establishment. It is a real shift, and expressive of a real reaction; but is it meaningful apart from the shuffling of chairs in the elites, I say no.

Chemi Shalev makes my point. He says that Jews came to feel that they were insiders in America– and suddenly we are outsiders. But blue state culture is stronger than ever after this election; and we are winners in it. We are the most prestigious group in US society (says sociologist Steven Cohen), the group people want to marry, among the very wealthiest, the models of modern cultural norms on Seinfeld and in Marc Zuckerberg, Stephen Spielberg, David Axelrod and Bob Dylan.

This was not true just 40 and 50 years ago. Social discrimination by a Protestant ruling elite was real and biting. There were no Jewish deans at the Harvard Law School; and Dershowitz, who had eschewed private practice because of anti-Semitism in the high-end firms, threatened to quit the law school over this fact. “As recently as the 1970s, Jews and all others not of the white Anglo-Saxon Protestant ascendancy were still excluded from any position of real power at the bar, on the bench, at banks and in boardrooms,” said a report on PBS about how pioneering Jews unlocked corporate America.

A transformation came. A new finance culture embodied by mergers and acquisitions transformed Wall Street. Neoconservatism transformed the Republican Party. The first Jewish White House chief of staff wasn’t till 1988; and in recent years there have been three of them.  Thirteen of fourteen of the largest donors to the Democratic Party are Jewish, what “I would delicately call the donor class of the Democratic Party,” as Jeffrey Goldberg, power journalist at Aspen and the Atlantic and the Oval Office, terms it. There have now been several Jewish Harvard law school deans, and many Jewish Ivy presidents. Four of the last five Democratic nominees to the Supreme Court have been Jewish and several leading media corporations are led by Jews, not to mention, as Beinart says, our role among the chattering classes: “Jews edit The New York Review of Books, The New Yorker, The Weekly Standard, The Atlantic, Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, Vox, Buzzfeed, Politico, and the opinion pages of The New York Times and Washington Post.”

This large presence is why I speak of the Jewish establishment; and the question arises, Why must it last? It is the destiny of American elites to change. The WASP establishment fell without a shot being fired, as its chronicler Joseph Epstein said: “Members of [the WASP] establishment dominated politics, economics and education, but they do so no longer. The WASPocracy, as I think of it, lost its confidence and, with it, the power and interest to lead.”

My wife remembers experiencing a lot of resentment toward her tribe, the WASPs, in the 1970s counterculture, after the great WASP war, the Vietnam War, and she did not resist it. She kind of respected it. Her former boyfriend tried to push warmonger Robert McNamara off the Martha’s Vineyard ferry, a famous incident in the revolt against the WASP’s. Today there are no Protestants on the Supreme Court; it is all Catholics and Jews. My wife could care less. (Though she didn’t get a job at a literary agency once because she didn’t know what “the UJA” is.)

Now we have entered a new period; and I wonder how much of this bellyaching about Jewish persecution is actually just the beginning of the end of the Jewish establishment. We’re not going to be as prominent in the elites as we once were. Jeffrey Goldberg and David Remnick got unprecedented access to the White House. They won’t have that any more.

There is, moreover, some fitness in this shift. The neoconservatives set out to run magazines and ended up running foreign policy. The Israel lobby– or the “Jewish lobby,” as Alan Dershowitz called it in 1991, cheering its power to defeat the enemies “of Israel or of the Jews”– helped to create the disastrous Iraq war and did not pay a price for doing so. People are angry about neocons and angry about the Iraq War. They should be. I believe this anger fuels some of the anti-semitism, and does so because the press is unable to talk about something that is right before their eyes, the large presence of Jews in the establishment, many of them, ala Jeffrey Goldberg and Mike Bloomberg and David Cohen of Comcast, endlessly pushing Israel.

Last year I reported that Gary Ginsberg of Time Warner was writing speeches for Netanyahu and against the U.S. president; and nobody really cared. This year I reported that our lead White House Middle East negotiator over the last 20 years, Dennis Ross, told a private synagogue gathering in New York that Jews “need to be advocates for Israel,” not for Palestine, and again, crickets. These are scandalous conflicts of interest; and both men got away with them, because mainstream reporters were incapable of passing along these simple facts about establishment Jewish support for Israel.

Jews don’t exist out of history, we exist in history. The Jewish rise happened inside the last generation, and had dramatic effects on the US power structure and culture– almost all of which I celebrate, even as I repeatedly called on Jewish organizations to examine the role of the Israel lobby inside American Jewish life. It is hard to balance parochialism and power. When the Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin broadbrushes Christians as bigoted tribalists on twitter– 

evangelicals cheered slurs on Muslims, would ban from entry and set up registry -showed they r hypocrites and bigots
If Christian cons now make amoral, political calculations, they cannot sell themselves as arbiters of values
while claiming the mantle of Christian virtues, these voters aligned themselves with someone entirely lacking them
evangelicals are no longer value voters, they are nostalgists and tribalists

–she believes she is a powerless Jew but she isn’t; and she is feeding resentment and reaction. The whole echo ((())) targeting of Jewish journalists in the last year has clearly been hateful and at times criminal and menacing and a source of real apprehension; but it is also an outsider group’s response to power. Trump guru Steve Bannon’s alt right obviously draws on some of these sources of resentment.

I can’t diminish that reaction, but no one with any influence is talking about a registry for Jewish names, as they are for Muslims. Or restrictions on Jewish emigration, as they do for Muslims. Or talking about the problems in the Jewish religion– as the new national security adviser and top strategist Bannon do. We are not at risk, I say it again. The portrayal of Bannon as an anti-Semite is unpersuasive; it is based on slapdash evidence, a comment about “whiney Jews” from a divorce proceeding, as if no one has ever talked shit to their spouse about other ethnicities; and when the evidence in front of our eyes is that Bannon is a white nationalist reactionary who hates Muslims, disdains gays, and praises the Judeo-Christian ethic. The portrayal of Donald Trump as an anti-Semite is also based on coded inferences; when he is very direct about his contempt for Muslims and disabled people and Hispanics.

I recognize the source of panic in the Jewish community. The Clinton campaign was bound up in the Jewish establishment, and the Clinton campaign overlooked and lost to a populist movement with working class ex-urban roots; and this triggers collective memories. We were highly vulnerable to rightwing populist movements in Europe, from the pogroms in Isaac Babel’s shtetl to Franz Kafka coming out of his insurance office in Prague to hear a crowd urging death to Jews.

We misread history if we think that is coming to the US. Other dangers are much closer. The Jewish establishment in its high flower is over, but American Jews are going nowhere. Our status may be shifting, but our political and cultural influence is not going away, it is taking new and opposing forms: Orthodox Jared Kushner and his wife Ivanka, the de facto first lady of the Trump presidency; and Bernie Sanders, the universalist progressive Jewish prophet of 2016. We were ins, now we are outs. That is not the same as anti-semitism.

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  1. yonah fredman
    November 19, 2016, 2:08 pm

    As far as Jewish power, Chuck schumer’s ascendancy to minority leader in the senate, accompanied by his endorsement of ellison, was a unique encapsulation of the contradictions of the last few weeks.
    Hillary was thought to present the delay of the day of reckoning ( regarding israel) between grass roots democrats and their elected representatives and the day is here.
    The rise of kkk with high IQ’s, does mean far more danger for Muslims and hispanics. But who voted more against trump, jews or hispanics? Jews voted 71 to 24 and hispanics 65 to 29. So the alarm which is overblown is a reflection of an exaggerated Democratic voting record.

    • Annie Robbins
      November 19, 2016, 2:23 pm

      But who voted more against trump, jews or hispanics? Jews voted 71 to 24 and hispanics 65 to 29.

      you’re really a nut.

      • DaBakr
        November 19, 2016, 3:35 pm

        @a

        I think he’s implying that US jews are more in danger because trump will come after them for voting 75% HTC. I’m not sure that’s at all true but otherwise I can’t make sense of yf post either.

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2016, 4:54 pm

        “I can’t make sense of yf post either.”

        No tribal unity for “Yonah”?

      • Rusty Pipes
        November 20, 2016, 11:35 am

        I suspect that among Puerto Rican and Mexican-Americans the percentage against Trump was higher and among Cuban-Americans the percentage for Trump (especially after Obama opened up relations with Cuba) was higher.

    • Mooser
      November 19, 2016, 2:49 pm

      “The Jewish establishment in its high flower is over, but American Jews are going nowhere”

      Yes, but this is the establishment’s chance to clean house. If anybody is gonna get knocked down a few pegs, it’s not going to be the establishment. They will, metaphorically, try to climb back up to the top on a pile of Jewish liberal and/or anti-Zionist bodies.

    • Mooser
      November 19, 2016, 2:52 pm

      “The rise of kkk with high IQ’s….”

      Yeah, about 15 points higher, or so I’ve been told,

    • yonah fredman
      November 19, 2016, 3:57 pm

      I consider Jews to be in an anomalous situation, of voting against the way the country votes, of alienation from the country’s decision. If Jews vote in a distorted way, it makes sense that they would sense the threat of trump/bannon in a distorted way.

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2016, 4:41 pm

        “If Jews vote in a distorted way, it makes sense that they would sense the threat of trump/bannon in a distorted way”

        That’s right, “Yonah”. Good, Zionist, Jewish-in-the-right-way conservative folks have nothing to worry about. And when summer comes, use a high-tech sunblock ointment. No sense taking chances.

  2. pabelmont
    November 19, 2016, 3:14 pm

    The belly aching of some Jews may be a result of seeing or feeling some itsy-bitsy instance of antisemitism, but after all the years of Jewish “crying wolf”, I think the current crop is merely the reflexive behavior of people who used to (and may still) profit from “crying wolf”. Think of the mindless (except that it is not mindless to repeat a technique that works!) desperate cries of “Antisemitism !!!” (yes, with triple exclamation points) whenever Israel or its current behavior is criticized (or its anti-human-rights steam-rolling over Palestine in any way threatened). Jews (or the powerful elites in media and government) were “on a roll” and crying “antisemitism” was part-and-parcel of the mechanisms they used to maintain that power. so why not keep crying it? it might still work !

    • MRW
      November 22, 2016, 4:39 am

      “on a roll” and crying “antisemitism” was part-and-parcel of the mechanisms they used to maintain that power. so why not keep crying it? it might still work !

      No, it’s not going to still work. Nobody gives a shit.

      I am delighted Trump won. I love the kick in the teeth to the media. Love it. I also believe he is going to be the consequential president we all hoped Obama might have been, which Obama didn’t have the smarts or judgment to be. I was duped by Obama. I campaigned for him like no other from September 2006 (months before he announced in Springfield in Feb 2007) thru Nov 2008. Many 22 hour days, and I’m not exaggerating when I say that. I was a fool, and I have spent a lot of time since examining what I failed to realize because I was so wrong.

      This guy does not like Trump, but his read on what is happening post-election is correct, in my view. He lacerates the Yonah Freedman brand of overblown self-importance displayed in the lead comment above, the one annie correctly and accurately sneers at. And he backs up Phil’s nuanced comments in the site post.
      You Are Still Crying Wolf by Scott Alexander
      http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/

      If you decide to read it, read the whole thing. It’s long. But not dull. I love how he rips apart the hyperbolic KKK argument.

  3. Keith
    November 19, 2016, 3:26 pm

    PHIL- “And though all fears are *real* especially when so many people are stating them, I see the Jewish fears as overblown and even self-involved, and an indication not of physical threats or discrimination but a potential shift in Jewish status inside the establishment.”

    That is exactly correct. What we are seeing is the predictable Judeo-Zionist reaction to the slight diminution of visible Jewish power. First a quote, then additional comment.

    “Thus ADL head Nathan Perlmutter maintained that the “real anti-Semitism” in America consisted of policy initiatives “corrosive of Jewish interests,” such as affirmative action….” (p37, “The Holocaust Industry,” Norman Finkelstein)

    This all relates to a variation of what Yakov Hirsch refers to a “hasbara culture.” If we substitute Judeo-Zionist for hasbara, the same manufactured cultural values guide the opinions of the Judeo-Zionist elite. As such, any perceived diminution in Jewish power is seen as evidence of anti-Semitism. So, if Jews who represent 2% of the population comprise 20% of the senior governmental positions of power, this is seen as good and natural, a triumph of meritocracy. However, if Jewish presence in government is reduced to 10% of senior governmental positions of power, this is seen as naked, irrational anti-Semitism potentially leading to God-knows-what. This is the totally irrational frame of reference inculcated in the Zionist faithful. This irrationality is an intrinsic part of the logic of the Zionist ideology which creates the strong internal group solidarity which makes Zionism such a potent force.

    I would add that since Sheldon Adelson, Haim Saban and George Soros, et al, haven’t lost a nickel with Trump’s election, the actual change in deep state power relations is less than obvious to me. Perhaps Hillary’s defeat signals a leveling of Judeo-Zionist power accumulation rather a significant diminution of Jewish power.

    • DaBakr
      November 19, 2016, 3:57 pm

      @k

      The adl is on the down slide while the zoa (who was just attending an honorary dinner for trump including bannon. jstreet may shrink some too with Obama out of the white house. Any Jew that is truly and honestly feeling fear at a trump presidency is only overblowing things because they live I a bubble of left-far left isolation from most other Jews. They are clueless about their own nation. Check out the story about some 600+ female Harvard business school alumni are signing something that’disavows’s bannon from their what…? Alumni? The world? Are they going to hold their noses and where blinders until trump is voted out?
      . Just keep I mind that most comments about jews here are filtered through the hard left and often pseudo-naive mind of creator pw.

      • Keith
        November 19, 2016, 4:20 pm

        DABAKR- “Just keep I mind that most comments about jews here are filtered through the hard left and often pseudo-naive mind of creator pw.”

        Phil Weiss hard left? Jeez, give me a break.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 19, 2016, 4:28 pm

        most comments about jews here are filtered through the hard left and often pseudo-naive

        dabakr, just curious how familiar you are with the alt right. i ask this because someone sent me a link this week, called “normies guide to the alt right” on the “daily stormer”. i have to admit to being somewhat naive about the extreme right because i only have so much time in my day and i don’t go chasing those voices down. but i was shocked, literally shocked. if this kind of thinking is at the core of the alt right, and these are the millennial rightwing, i’d be concerned.

        in comparison to the alt right, we’re normal here. not hard left or anything. there’s very little on the left that even compares to the viciousness on that daily stormer link. breitbart is a gateway to the alt right — it’s dangerous. so ok, i may be naive or pseudo-naive or call it what you will. i didn’t even know that green frog thing meant alt right. but this stuff is really bad.

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2016, 4:45 pm

        “Annie”, why would “Dabakr” be concerned by invective against left-wing, liberal or progressive Jews? I would think he finds it comforting that he and the alt-right have the same enemies.

      • Keith
        November 19, 2016, 4:50 pm

        ANNIE- “… i was shocked, literally shocked. if this kind of thinking is at the core of the alt right, and these are the millennial rightwing, i’d be concerned.”

        There is a great danger in overemphasizing crap like this. There appears to be a concerted effort to divide the population into red versus blue with intentionally provocative websites demonizing one or the other. All the while, the deep state carries on with its agenda. Divide and rule. Don’t forget that there was no significant sectarian violence in Iraq before we sent John Negroponte over to set up the death squads (the Salvadoran option). Divide and rule. Forget the fat-cats, let us fight the alt-right!

      • Annie Robbins
        November 19, 2016, 5:38 pm

        so, don’t look over there because the deep state is worse. is that what you are saying? i’m not sure how i am “overemphasizing” anything. i have made one comment about something i just found out about. i found the site shocking and i’ve seen those green frogs around quite a lot, i didn’t realize what they represented. now i know. thus stuff on that link, yeah i will definitely be fighting it when i encounter it (which i recognize is not the entire alt right movement, but a component of it and the core from which it came — according to them).

        the death squads in iraq, as well as our policies, divided people based sec, not ideology. the ideology on that link are the dividers — by race and sex. i don’t divide or separate that way so your ‘warning analogy’ (for lack of a better phrase), is not applicable.

        btw, did you google the link i referenced on the daily stormer and read it? or are you just assuming you’re aware of what i am referencing? http://web.archive.org/web/20161019094607/http://www.dailystormer.com/a-normies-guide-to-the-alt-right/

      • Mooser
        November 19, 2016, 6:02 pm

        “that green frog thing meant alt right”

        A gesture of solidarity among those who know “it’s not easy being green”?

      • Keith
        November 19, 2016, 6:49 pm

        ANNIE- “i’m not sure how i am “overemphasizing” anything.”

        I didn’t say you were. I merely pointed out that intentionally provocative stuff on the web and social media can be used by the elites to divide people. I followed your link. The daily stormer is roughly the same as stormfront, a site designed to misrepresent reality and play on the emotions. You are obviously agitated and further comment by me would not be productive.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 19, 2016, 8:09 pm

        keith, since you’re obviously agitated a response from me probably wouldn’t be productive either. hence, i’ll carry on the conversation with philemon instead.

      • Philemon
        November 19, 2016, 7:18 pm

        Annie, the Salvadoran death squads were based on ideology, and people at the time did comment, well, I did anyway, “if John Negroponte comes, can death squads be far behind?”. And lo and behold, they did, sure as shooting.

        A bunch of immature gas-bag internet trolls being deliberately anti-PC, trying to be shocking, and using cute little green frogs as their strange device (of all the nefarious things, pace Kermit!), has you worried about whether to be concerned that they represent “the millennial rightwing”. Yeah, right. I don’t think you’re really that naive.

        That’s Keith’s point. Sowing seeds of distrust and suspicion between people is part of divide et impera.

        It can be ideology, it can be religion, it can be class, it can be culture, it can be speech-codes… it can even be cuisine. The divide et impera folks aren’t picky. They will use whatever they think works.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 19, 2016, 8:59 pm

        Annie, the Salvadoran death squads were based on ideology, and people at the time did comment, well, I did anyway, “if John Negroponte comes, can death squads be far behind?”. And lo and behold, they did, sure as shooting.

        ok, so what’s the implication of the analogy then. do you think the elites are trying to start a revolution on the streets and death squads are not far behind? wouldn’t that just be another form of “danger of overemphasizing” keith referenced.

        A bunch of immature gas-bag internet trolls being deliberately anti-PC —- has you worried about whether to be concerned that they represent “the millennial rightwing”.

        i think i am more concerned some of them may believe, or desire, that which they expound. or they may influence other young people to think like that or normalize those thoughts. when i said ‘fight’ i meant metaphorically. and i think calling that kind of racism “anti-pc” can be used as a slur/smear. is that what you think of the US being an all white nation? anti politically correct? because i think of it as more of a matter of morals. i’m not really big on identity politics and think the dnc screwed up their campaigning with the focus on it. but does it disturb me (youthful) elements of the right are this racist. in this day and (internet) age, yes, it does concern me. because young kids can be easily influenced, politically and otherwise. and the internet makes access to this stuff fairly easy. plus, i see stuff on the left that i think is gruesome too (like laura durham), and it gets lots of traffic. how did this person ever even get famous? do i think there’s too much political correctness in our discourse, sure. do i think being critical (and concerned) about normalizing ‘hitler was right’ is a matter of political correctness, no i do not.

        so, i consider myself well aware of these divisions in society and how they can be stoked (by the elite or whomever), still i think it doesn’t take a lot of radicals to move a culture in dangerous ways (ie the islamophobe cabal) and i think the gang behind this frog mascot are a dangerous element. so, i’ll stand by my earlier comment. if this kind of thinking is at the core of the alt right (not to be confused with the right or rightwing politics), and this kind of thinking is ascending in the millennial rightwing, i’d be concerned.

        Sowing seeds of distrust and suspicion between people is part of divide et impera.

        i already know that. what do you think was keith’s point in telling me there’s great danger in overemphasizing this. do you think talking about it at all is dangerous? do you think my thinking (or concern) is dangerous?

        also, as a form of de emphasizing this division and not empowering the elites who want to divide us, how helpful do you think mocking people is? people who fear trumps presidency, do you think they can be mocked out of that fear?

      • RoHa
        November 19, 2016, 7:26 pm

        Especially as you might actually be grue.

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1rUCyg4Ppso

      • Philemon
        November 19, 2016, 8:45 pm

        Roha, Nelson Goodman was cool and all but, as an indictment of induction, grue was a bit lame.

        Annie, I know you meant to insult Keith by claiming you’d rather have a conversation with me, but this is so second grade, primary school, you know, elementary!

      • Annie Robbins
        November 19, 2016, 9:31 pm

        Annie, I know you meant to insult Keith by claiming you’d rather have a conversation with me

        well, you’d be wrong. keith wouldn’t continue the conversation because, according to him, i was “obviously agitated”. hence, i threw it back at him. also, i didn’t claim i’d rather have a conversation with you (which i would not). i saw you had already commented below in the conversation and wanted to continue discussing the topic. so i said ” i’ll carry on the conversation with philemon instead” because i had already planned on responding to your comment.

        this is so second grade, primary school, you know, elementary!

        telling a woman she’s “obviously agitated” is about .0% from telling her she’s having her period. or didn’t you know that? but i wouldn’t call it elementary, i’d just call it regular old misogynist bs — such an improvement!

      • Philemon
        November 19, 2016, 9:50 pm

        Annie, you are discombobulated.

        “is that what you think of the US being an all white nation?” For crying out loud, who does?

        Annie: “what do you think was keith’s point in telling me there’s great danger in overemphasizing this. do you think talking about it at all is dangerous? do you think my thinking (or concern) is dangerous?” –

        To the extent that you are not thinking clearly, I think it is dangerous for you.

      • RoHa
        November 19, 2016, 9:51 pm

        Maybe, but it got him an entry in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

        http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goodman/

        and his own Existential Comic.

        http://existentialcomics.com/comic/2

        More than I’ve got.

      • Philemon
        November 19, 2016, 9:55 pm

        Telling a woman she’s “obviously agitated” is about .0% from telling her she’s having her period. or didn’t you know that? –

        Well, actually no, I didn’t.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 19, 2016, 10:41 pm

        really? well, consider yourself informed. agitated, like irrational, are terms used primarily by men to describe and dismiss women.

        sound familiar: http://www.datingloveandsextips.com/girlfriend-with-pms-top-3-tips-on-how-to-deal-with-her/

        Mentally: Mood swings, forgetfulness, lack of concentration, confusion, irrational

        Emotionally: depressed, irritable, agitated, anxious and nervous, angry, feeling sad and hopeless, overwhelmed

        and this:

        The first tip to deal with a girlfriend with PMS is to tread lightly and be sure to “follow the leader”; the leader namely is your girlfriend! This is not the time to discuss ANY major issues or challenges while she is in the very sensitive state.

        iow, telling a woman she’s obviously agitated and further comment would not be productive (because of HER state of mind) is straight out of “how to deal with PMS women”. it’s a way to shut down conversation and make it the other person’s fault — because of her disposition.

        To the extent that you are not thinking clearly, I think it is dangerous for you.

        that would get more traction from me if you actually cited what was unclear. but you didn’t, hence it’s merely a form of ad hominem.

      • DaBakr
        November 19, 2016, 10:21 pm

        @an

        Yes. Am familiar with what is all thrown together in one basket and called the alt right. It bothers me as much as hard lefties.

        Otherwise,i tend to lean towards what k opined about lumping the extreme in with the center and making up terrible scare stories. But, saying that it still bars mentioning that with one end keeping tabs on the other and both sides screaming about the evil of the other at least serves the purpose of allowing people to read the views of both extremes and draw their own conclusion.

        I know mostly Americans who voted for HRC. But I know some who voted gop and they are far from crazy stupid lunatics who have no brains compassion or heart. I may not understand them but have no right to judge them.

        @k

        Pw is less hard left and more rose coloured lenses(& not in the innocent optimistic stance)

      • Annie Robbins
        November 19, 2016, 11:41 pm

        I know some who voted gop and they are far from crazy stupid lunatics who have no brains compassion or heart.

        DaBakr, i don’t think most of the people in this country who voted for trump are like the people on that site.

        k opined about lumping the extreme in with the center and making up terrible scare stories.

        alt stands for alternative — hence, not the center. let me know if there’s a “scare” story i’m peddling. as for extremists, i think ethnic nationalism is extreme. i was reading this story in haaretz today, this is your kind gentle settler who wants peace:

        Meir adamantly believes that it is the Palestinian leadership and some of the Israeli leadership that are wrecking the natural peace process. The Palestinian leaders, chiefly Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas (aka Abu Mazen), are the main inciters. He’d like to be rid of Abbas, he says.

        Who would you like to see in his place?

        “We’re so captive to the Western paradigm that says a leadership has to be put there. Forty years ago, there was no leader, and you could still walk around the casbah in Nablus and in Hebron without any problem. Not because there was a mighty Israeli army there, but because there was an understanding, that we were in the midst of a process of some kind…..

        Do you also feel that Israel’s democracy is unnecessary?

        “What I’m looking for is not always what the other side is looking for. The Arabs I know aren’t interested in power, it doesn’t speak to them. They’re okay with being under Israeli rule. We Jews have a different nature. We have to be in power, we have to voice our opinion and change it every couple of hours. It’s possible to understand that it’s different, and not run around shouting ‘racism’ because you have something and he doesn’t. Who said that democracy was good for them?”

        later he said “The most significant thing we can do to stop the terror is to make sure that every house in Judea and Samaria has running water in the faucets”

        read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.753753

        maybe he’s nice, but he’s still an extremist. this is a person whose mind is brainwashed.

      • Philemon
        November 19, 2016, 10:26 pm

        In my defense, I’ve been married now for quite some time.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 19, 2016, 10:59 pm

        In my defense, I’ve been married now for quite some time.

        hmm, not sure if that’s a defense. this didn’t crop up in the last 10 years or anything. it’s been around for centuries. anyway, lets move on:

        me: i think calling that kind of racism “anti-pc” can be used as a slur/smear. is that what you think of the US being an all white nation? anti politically correct?

        you: Annie, you are discombobulated.

        “is that what you think of the US being an all white nation?” For crying out loud, who does?

        why you did philemon. you called them “A bunch of immature gas-bag internet trolls being deliberately anti-PC, trying to be shocking, and using cute little green frogs as their strange device”

        i don’t think advocating for an all white nation is merely “anti-PC”. unless you want to make the argument they don’t really believe what he claims they believe.

        sorry if you can’t follow my logic or think it’s too “discombobulated”. to be clear, i don’t have a problem with them because they are not politically correct, i have a problem with them because they are (clearly) racist.

      • Philemon
        November 19, 2016, 10:57 pm

        Annie: “really? well, consider yourself informed. agitated, like irrational, are terms used primarily by men to describe and dismiss women.”

        Well, couldn’t they be terms used primarily to describe and dismiss men as well. Just saying, if the shoe fits.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 19, 2016, 11:57 pm

        yes they could be. primarily tho, they are not. part of it is biological. i could be mistaken, and if that’s the case it would only take you a matter of seconds for you to find a supporting link (like i did). good luck w/that.

      • Philemon
        November 19, 2016, 11:14 pm

        Annie quotes me” “To the extent that you are not thinking clearly, I think it is dangerous for you.”

        “that would get more traction from me if you actually cited what was unclear. but you didn’t, hence it’s merely a form of ad hominem.”

        Well, no, I didn’t cite what you weren’t getting, because it would have been a form of ad hominem to suggest that you didn’t get what Keith was saying while you were thinking clearly.

        Sometimes people get discombobulated, male, female, left, right. It happens, It’s normal.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 20, 2016, 12:57 am

        it would have been a form of ad hominem to suggest that you didn’t get what Keith was saying

        that’s not a definition of ad hominem i’ve ever heard of. i’m not some sensitive feather who can’t hear opposing views.

        keith started out his comment quoting me expressing that i would be concerned “if this kind of thinking is at the core of the alt right, and these are the millennial rightwing” he said there was great danger in overemphasizing crap like this. it was my first comment about it. i brought it up to inquire about it. so i am not clear where this ‘great danger’ of overemphasizing comes from, since i had not even read it before. in fact i wrote that i was shocked to read it. but i have seen a bunch of those frogs all over the place and intercepted the mocking responses (which is intended to be inflammatory and belies the notion of normality — in fact team trump just sent a message to the right in israel to STFU w/their glee) . i’ve read a lot of dem handwringing (in fact i posted a couple days ago about people totally freaking out over at dkos http://mondoweiss.net/2016/11/before-revolution-sanders/#comment-858693 keith was in that discussion too)

        anyway, in my response to him i mention “i recognize [this]is not the entire alt right movement”, but this stuff seems to go far beyond ‘obama is a muslim’. i used to think the core of the white supremacist movement in america was primarily old or older people. so it concerns me there’s a youth movement like this and i think the tone often caustic and rude. but that part doesn’t concern me so much because i can blow it off and shovel it back if need be (which you claimed, curiously, was “second grade”) — and also called the alt right link “immature”, so i guess we have something in common.

        anyway, i was interested in discussing this anomaly in american culture. admittedly i don’t know too much about it. but there seems to be a lot of back and forth on whether i’m emotionally stable enough to handle it or something. just spill the friggin beans. the right wingers are all over calling the left wingers screaming babies meanwhile we have a whole slew of radicals like jeff sessions prancing in and out of the white house and people talking about muslim registries. and then in the middle of this i encounter these people who actually map the lexicon of alt right origin and it’s down right gruesome. and in the midst of it were told to not believe what they say and it’s just some attitude that’s part of the joke or something — according to bannon’s milo. seriously, i think i’ve been at mondoweiss so long i’ve missed some main conversation. but the youth, are they following all this? and are the protests in the streets primarily soros induced? i doubt that. i think many people have reasonable concerns.

        i just want answers. not told i’m too discombobulated to grasp something before i’m told what it is i’m supposed to be comprehending. some of this shit is serious. very serious. and some of these people are really sick https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-team-urges-israel-tone-down-jubilation-media-184943026.html

      • Philemon
        November 19, 2016, 11:22 pm

        “is that what you think of the US being an all white nation?” For crying out loud, who does?

        why you did philemon.

        Actually, no.

        you called them “A bunch of immature gas-bag internet trolls being deliberately anti-PC, trying to be shocking, and using cute little green frogs as their strange device”

        I described the posters on the website you were shocked at in those terms.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 20, 2016, 1:37 am

        why you did philemon.

        Actually, no.

        again, what i said was:

        i think i am more concerned some of them may believe, or desire, that which they expound. or they may influence other young people to think like that or normalize those thoughts…and i think calling that kind of racism “anti-pc” can be used as a slur/smear. is that what you think of the US being an all white nation? anti politically correct? because i think of it as more of a matter of morals.

        too discombobulated? not to demean your argument (and perhaps i wasn’t clear initially) but no matter how many times you cherry pick my sentence (is that what you think of the US being an all white nation? anti politically correct?) and deny you called the flaming racists “anti-pc” — that’s how you characterized the people calling for america to be an all white country. anti pc. maybe you’re unaware “PC” — politically correct — is used as a slur or smear (from the right to the left) in a similar fashion SJW (social justice warrior) is. so yes, no matter how many times you deny it (“Actually, no.”) you actually did “described the posters on the website” in these terms: “anti-PC”.

        all you have to do is say, you didn’t mean they were exclusively anti-PC immature trolls. but i think you either have to make the argument you think they really don’t believe the US country should be exclusively white, admit they are racist (radically so imho), or explain why you don’t think they are racist. but to brush them off as merely anti PC as if it was sort of a non issue seems bizarre.

      • Philemon
        November 20, 2016, 12:14 am

        Well, couldn’t they (i.e., agitated and irrational) be terms used primarily to describe and dismiss men as well. Just saying, if the shoe fits. –

        Annie: “yes they could be. primarily tho, they are not. i could be mistaken, and if that’s the case it would only take you a matter of seconds to find a supporting link (like i did). good luck w/that. – ”

        You never read Shakespeare? Othello, you know?

      • Annie Robbins
        November 20, 2016, 2:05 am

        You never read Shakespeare? Othello, you know?

        it’s been awhile. hey, if you’d like to use shakespeare to make the case women primarily use these types of arguments just quote away. it’s your argument, i won’t make it for you. but i’m all ears. something a tad more current might be more persuasive — but shakespeare is often timely no matter the era.

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2016, 12:25 am

        “We Jews have a different nature. We have to be in power, we have to voice our opinion and change it every couple of hours”

        Gee whillikers, I’m beginning to wonder if maybe my latest attempts to improve Jewish demographiotics by 2 orders of magnitude was a good idea. “That’s the kind growth what gives a nation a great faith in itself”, was what I was thinking.
        But now that we have gone from 15 million or so to around 2 billion we seem to be getting a bit full of ourselves. I’m not sure it was such a good idea. Oh well, no going back now.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 20, 2016, 2:01 am

        ;)

      • Keith
        November 20, 2016, 1:33 pm

        ANNIE- “telling a woman she’s “obviously agitated” is about .0% from telling her she’s having her period.”

        No its not. And what a bizarre comment.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 20, 2016, 2:32 pm

        No its not.

        uh huh. you’ll have to excuse me, i have to go powder my nose and grab the smelling salts. this is all so discombobulated i’m getting confused. it’s so emotionally draining.

        /s

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2016, 2:07 pm

        “;)”

        Yup, I agree. I mean, really, “Keith” is Othello and you are Desdemona? Ho-Kay!

      • Philemon
        November 23, 2016, 7:59 pm

        Oh my Gawd! Does that make me Iago? Eww!

        Sorry, Annie, that I couldn’t come up with a cite or site with women going on about how silly men can be. I did think of Dorothy Parker’s “Men: A Hate Song” but the men she was complaining about were mostly just irrational, and she was the one who was irritated. I had a nasty sinus headache coming on that turned into full-blown head and stomach flu, which is why I’m just coming back to this now.

        Anyway, I sympathize with your being shocked that there is racist/sexist stuff on the web that you didn’t know about.

        “…calling that kind of racism “anti-pc” can be used as a slur/smear.”

        I wasn’t clear what that meant. A slur on whom? I thought of calling that kind of racist speech “un-PC” initially, but my better half thought “anti-PC” was more accurate. Perhaps you felt I was praising with too faint condemnation. I thought I was describing and dismissing them as “a bunch of immature gas-bag trolls.” The people whose hate-speech worries me most are the ones in power whose hate-speech is unrecognized as such because they sugar-coat it.

        “is that what you think of the US being an all white nation? anti politically correct?”

        Not trying to cherry-pick, but anybody calling for the US to be an all white nation is obviously more than a few french fries short of a Happy Meal. So yeah, mostly I think they are just gas-bags trying to be shocking for the sake of it. Lots of sick people out there in need of serious therapy, lots of internet trolls, but that’s nothing new.. But no, I don’t think “the youth” are seriously following that. I haven’t seen any reliable stats, but I’d be surprised. When I described them as “immature” I wasn’t referring to their chronological age.

        I don’t think Keith was implying that you were agitated because you’re female or anything to do with your menstrual cycle. I think he thought, like I did, that you had seen a really disturbing web-site. I’m not even going to look at it if it disturbed you that much. It sounds like more internet trolls.

        As for my being married not being a defense, well, I have to say that in all the years I’ve been married, I’ve never ever noticed that “having her period” makes a woman more agitated, or discombobulated (which is a good word!) than reading a disturbing website can make anyone, male or female, agitated or whatever. But I do get that it’s seriously annoying to be told to calm down when you’re upset about something.

      • Raphael
        November 23, 2016, 9:28 pm

        Philemon

        Dorothy Parker was a half Jew. Her name was Dorothy Rothschild. I could not ever identify much with her writing though, as I was with another half Jewish writer named Mina Loy.

      • Mooser
        November 24, 2016, 12:11 pm

        “Dorothy Parker was a half Jew.”

        “half jew”? Okay, whatever. But did you know that Wyatt Earp had a Jewish (common-law) wife? Her maiden name was Josephine Marcus.

        It is possible that the contrempts at the OK Corral was also motivated by competition for Ms. Marcus’ favors. There was a lady at the OK corral!

    • Sibiriak
      November 19, 2016, 7:32 pm

      Keith: I would add that since Sheldon Adelson, Haim Saban and George Soros, et al, haven’t lost a nickel with Trump’s election, the actual change in deep state power relations is less than obvious to me. Perhaps Hillary’s defeat signals a leveling of Judeo-Zionist power accumulation rather a significant diminution of Jewish power.

      ————–

      Yes. What evidence is there of a diminution of Jewish or Zionist power?

      I suspect the “Jews are no longer safe in America” line is being used to:

      1) Reinvigorate the Zionist idea that a Jewish State–Israel–is still very much needed as a “safe haven” for Jews.

      2) Increase fundraising for Zionist organizations by stoking Jewish fears.

      • Philemon
        November 19, 2016, 9:04 pm

        2) Increase fundraising for Zionist organizations by stoking Jewish fears. –

        Well, duh! They like the money.

  4. DaBakr
    November 19, 2016, 3:30 pm

    Of course pw isn’t “worried” about anti-Semitism. He and his web site have been accused by mainstream publications , prominent non-jew and Jews alike as a hate-site for anti Semites to rage, be given a soapbox and spout off. Pretty much the mirror reflection of Bannon at brietbart except far left “progressive”
    At the very least pw isn’t threatened by the words because they have no meaning to him. He obviously doesn’t believe he is an anti-Semitic and rejects a majority of Jewish opinion of what and who does define the term. His been accused of being it so many times his mind has twisted it’s meaning into only the form he can understand. He will forever be patting himself on the back because he married a wasp and somehow presents this as some kind of pass for his blind spot to actual Jew hatred disguised as Israel-hatred .

    Also, by pw reasoning, because American blacks have achieved success in so many realms from President of the USA, supreme court, heads of universities, medical schools etc., Black Americans should have no fear of a trump and/ or right wing ascendancy and, like he claimed of Jews, brought some of the racism on themselves for politicizing their views and not voting. Nothing like a forked tongue.

    • Mooser
      November 19, 2016, 4:48 pm

      “His (sic) been accused of being it (antisemitic) so many times his mind has twisted it’s meaning into only the form he can understand”

      Well, then, it’s pretty obvious you will just have to do it some more.

  5. DaBakr
    November 19, 2016, 3:44 pm

    Also.

    Chemi Shaliv has written at least four off-the-wall hysterical and completely wrong articles in the past weeks where he is claiming to have his finger on the pulse of American Jews. It’s amazing how tribal within the tribe Jews on theb left can be. He really thinks his dying news rag with the dwindling subscribers and tiny % readership can accurately cite the far left fringe in nyc and East and West coast as representative of American Jews. Not only absurd, but delusional as well. There are a whole lot of Jews between the upper West side and LA. that are not left Wing let alone fringe left. Pw quoting shaliv is like trump spouting off breitbart

  6. Mooser
    November 19, 2016, 4:51 pm

    .” There are a whole lot of Jews between the upper West side and LA. that are not left Wing let alone fringe left.”

    Oh, at least 1.1 billion. And every one of ’em ready to horsewhip Phil Weiss on the steps of his club! Well, if they would let us join, anyway.

  7. Maghlawatan
    November 19, 2016, 6:13 pm

    The US economy is close to collapse. Inequality is the reason. The richest 1% Americans own 50% of everything.

    “They were careless people, Tom and Daisy- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.”

    Trump is going to betray his voters. How will they react? Who will they blame?
    Jewish leadership is execrable. History repeats itself.

    Chemi Shalev had a gruesome story from Argentina in the 70s. Israel supported the junta with arms sales while 3000 lefty Jews were murdered by the regime. Never trust a junkie

    Jews are always an easy group to target when the plebs get angry.

    There are at least 40 Jewish billionaires. I would suggest some serious philanthropy while the going is good. Maybe get a few payrises going.

    • Philemon
      November 19, 2016, 7:47 pm

      Maghlawatan: “The US economy is close to collapse.”

      Reality check.

      Now, the Venezuelan economy has collapsed. (I almost typed the “Venusian” economy, which, as we all know, collapsed years ago due to catastrophic global warming.) I mean, really collapsed. It’s bad.

      I’m keeping my eye on the Saudi Arabian economy. Those petrodollars don’t buy what they used to.

      • Maghlawatan
        November 20, 2016, 6:42 am

        Philemon between 1975 and 2007 58% of all new income in the US went to the richest 1%.
        Most of Trump ‘s tax cuts will go to the richest 1%

        Now is not the time to be complacent.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOVXh4xM-Ww

        Bill Pool knows nothing

    • JWalters
      November 19, 2016, 8:24 pm

      “Israel supported the junta with arms sales while 3000 lefty Jews were murdered by the regime.”

      An example of a very important truth that takes real inner strength to look at objectively. The war profiteers of every ethnic group worship money above all. They feign concern for their ethnic group as a tactic of distraction. Their propaganda stream says, “Don’t look at us and our money grubbing, look at that other ethnic group, look at our fabricated history of noble legends and myths, follow our orchestration of fear and anger.” Their unspoken message is, “Don’t study for yourself, and above all don’t think for yourself.”

    • DaBakr
      November 19, 2016, 10:29 pm

      @m

      Accusing rich American Jews of being lax in philanthropy is even more ignorant then your previous commentary. Not sure how stupid stupid can get. Sorry, but you really asked for this.
      Rich American Jewish philanthropy lacking.? Lol. Which generation? 1st,2nd 3rd?…..

    • Keith
      November 20, 2016, 4:49 pm

      MAGHLAWATAN- “There are at least 40 Jewish billionaires. I would suggest some serious philanthropy while the going is good.”

      The harsh reality is that “philanthropy” is privatized social engineering. All billionaires use philanthropy to shape the political economy to their liking. Sticking to Jews, George Soros could well be the most dangerous philanthropist in history. His symbiotic relationship with USAID and the State Department in fomenting color revolutions is well known. He is now involved in these demonization protests which primarily serve to polarize. A quote and a link.

      “The massive, continuing protests against President Trump, #NotMyPresident, are not a movement and will only benefit Trump. They are an emotional tactic devoid of strategy, and one that has made Trump stronger and stronger since it was first unleashed during the Republican primaries at the beginning of 2016. ‘Trump is a racist narcissist pig, unfit to exist, much less govern,’ or so the meme goes. But despite losing the popular vote he mat slammed Hillary and the Democrat Party. The GOP scaredy cats who were fleeing him en masse he actually rescued and rose them to control both houses of Congress.

      As of this writing the Trump protests have not abated, and now this smells of serious failure, the type of total and complete butt kicking that Republicans gave to the so-called Wisconsin Uprising. Almost six years after those massive protests against Governor Scott Walker over his disemboweling of the union movement in Wisconsin, after years of big protests with tens of thousands in the streets and a recall election attempt, the GOP is stronger than ever in the Badger State, with hegemonic control of the government in Uprising Central, Madison.” http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/14/why-the-trump-protests-like-the-wisconsin-uprising-will-fail/

  8. yonah fredman
    November 19, 2016, 7:30 pm

    Caroline glick agrees with Phil that bannon is not an antisemite. Both Caroline and phil are blinded by their ideologies.

    • Philemon
      November 19, 2016, 8:09 pm

      Yeah, Yonah. Glick and Weiss. Peas in a pod. They have so much in common, we just have to get those two together!

      Do I really need a [i] sarc[/i] tag here?

      But just for you, Yonah, because you know I love ya, maybe you’re just

      Yeah, I know, I know… Israel claims to be a light unto, or on, or some prepositional relationship to the nations of some sort or other, but, face it, they are not doing a very good job.

    • echinococcus
      November 19, 2016, 8:25 pm

      The whole room is still waiting for your clear definition. Not to mention proof.

    • DaBakr
      November 19, 2016, 10:30 pm

      @y

      Sophism much?

    • Mooser
      November 19, 2016, 10:35 pm

      “Caroline glick agrees…/…ideologies.”

      I think you should give “Annies” comment at 2:23 pm careful consideration, “Yonah”. There’s a lot of good sense in it.

    • yonah fredman
      November 20, 2016, 12:51 am

      Steve bannon brings a smile to david duke’s face. That is sufficient to put me on guard. The yellen-soros – blankfein commercial featuring the faces of three jews that were not readily recognizable to the mass of voters, but which were surely recognized by kkk leaders, was a sign of either an improbable coincidence, or a wink and a nod from bannon (Unless someone else created that commercial) to duke. To me, it is clearly a bannon duke dog whistle. Although I don’t quite understand why people hate the federal reserve, I know that some do , and I also know that some people hate soros and others hate blankfein or Goldman sachs. But to pretend that the images of all three showing up in one commercial talking about global levers of power is nothing fishy requires either some motive for ignoring bannon’s shout out to duke because bannon is good for israel and that’s all that really counts, which would explain glick’s ideological blindness, or else an assimilationist’s deaf ear to attacks on jews, which is Phil Weiss’s problem.
      In general glick and phil have zero in common, but whitewashing bannon’s shout out from hi IQ kkk to kkk 1.0 has created the rare moment when two opposing ideologies find common deafness.
      Talk about jews who have low facial recognition among the masses, Isaac babel is one such. Interesting to include babel, since Phil never once ever said a word of recognition of stalin’s jew hatred or of Soviet union hatred of the jew. Phil’s only concerns with non hitler jew hatred is back to the pogroms when he whitewashed the Russian officialdom’s role in the kishinev pogrom or over to America and wasp culture’s pre wwII law firm barriers. Never a word about the anti immigration sentiment and policies of American Republicans in the 20’s, which surely had the effect of adding hundreds of thousands of jews to hitler’s dead jews, and also tens of thousands of jews who ended up in palestine rather than Ellis island, thus giving the Yishuv the demographic critical mass it needed to build the state to be. Phil, like the good assimilationist that he is pooh poohs or ignores antisemitism as much as he can and the presence of babel’s photo reminds me of Phil’s dogmatic assimilationist’s bent.

      • Maghlawatan
        November 20, 2016, 6:43 am

        I think you are right, Yonah. If the US breaks down into tribes it won’t be good

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2016, 1:21 pm

        “since Phil never once ever said a word of recognition of stalin’s jew hatred or of Soviet union hatred of the jew…/… pre war law offices

        “Yonah” I think you are right! Phil Weiss doesn’t add up the bill right.

        He does not realize that America owes us Jews something extra for all the stuff which happened in Russia and Europe. And according to you, for what happened in Palestine? Yeah, that too:

        “Never a word about the anti immigration sentiment and policies of American Republicans in the 20’s, which surely had the effect of adding hundreds of thousands of jews to hitler’s dead jews, and also tens of thousands of jews who ended up in palestine rather than Ellis island, thus giving the Yishuv the demographic critical mass it needed to build the state to be”

        Darn you, US, for making Jews go to Israel? Okay.

        Phil is always undercharging, and not demanding what is owed us. They owe us for sending Jews to Israel, they owe us for keeping Jews from Israel.
        You are positive we can do better, and a brocha on you for it, “Yonah”

      • Donald Johnson
        November 20, 2016, 6:48 pm

        On the Kishinev pogrom, I think you might be confusing Phil with one of the commenters, someone whose name I have forgotten. Anyway, I have a mainstream source, Orlando Figes’s “A People’s Tragedy”‘ which says on page 81 that contrary to popular belief none of the pogroms in the last years of the Czarist regime were instigated by the government. On the other hand he says the government were slow to restore order, rarely brought pogromists to trial and that this was in part because the government was hostile to Jews. Czar Nicholas II was an antisemite who thought the pogroms were an act of patriotism by the good and simple Russian folk and used widespread antisemitism to bolster his regime. I am paraphrasing from the book.

        Anyway, I don’t recall Phil talking about this, but Kishinev came up in comments.

    • Steve Grover
      November 20, 2016, 3:34 pm

      “Caroline glick agrees with Phil that bannon is not an antisemite.”
      So an Anti-Semite and a proud Jewish Zionist agree – Interesting Jonah!

  9. [email protected]
    November 19, 2016, 7:47 pm

    Look folks, trumps daughter is an orthodox jewish person and clearly Trumps rejection of Chris Christie is out of major allegiance to his new Jewish relatives. Also look at Facebook websites like CUFI, Christians United for Israel. That is 1.3 million Christians who are rabidly pro Israel and rabidly pro trump. Though their lens is warped as they see support for Israel through a rather bigoted reading of the bible, Jews are the last people they are going to try to offend. They are Jewish supremacist in the same way they are White supremacist. Israel is a model society with dealing with its racial unwanted in their eyes. So most Jewish folks are in a unique position here. They are voting against trump yes, but because his main supporters are in their eyes needing to fulfill biblical prophecy by supporting Israel, Jews will remain safe and not touched as the neo-facism hits other groups. Of course time could change all that too but for now, as the author points out, other groups (blacks, hispanics, and Muslims) have far more to worry about

    • DaBakr
      November 19, 2016, 10:32 pm

      @px
      So, these evangelicals, they are too stupid to know that there are all different shades of jews in Israel, from light to dark.

      • amigo
        November 20, 2016, 10:18 am

        “So, these evangelicals, they are too stupid to know that there are all different shades of jews in Israel, from light to dark.” duh baker

        They start out as light Jews but end up as quite dark Jews. Something in the ziocaine , I guess.

      • Citizen
        November 20, 2016, 4:17 pm

        The evangelicals I have met personally wouldn’t know a Jew from Mike Huckabee or Gomer Pile

    • Mooser
      November 20, 2016, 12:38 pm

      “clearly Trumps rejection of Chris Christie…”

      Didn’t Christie prosecute and jail Jared Kushner’s dad? That might be a reason.

  10. JWalters
    November 19, 2016, 7:56 pm

    Thank you for this very sane article.

    I hope some of our Jewish intellectuals take this moment to reflect on the plight of Palestinian intellectuals.

  11. Sibiriak
    November 19, 2016, 8:05 pm

    Example from The Guardian:

    The US will no longer feel like a haven for Jews under Trump”

    Jonathan Freedland

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/16/us-no-longer-haven-jews-under-donald-trump-steve-bannon-antisemitism

    • DaBakr
      November 19, 2016, 10:33 pm

      @s

      A great example of why the guardian is laying in the gutter rotting.

      • amigo
        November 20, 2016, 11:55 am

        “A great example of why the guardian is laying in the gutter rotting. duh baker

        Agreed , The Guardian should not be wasting it,s time and effort on the opinions of a group that represents less than 2 % of the US population.

  12. RoHa
    November 19, 2016, 10:04 pm

    ‘“As recently as the 1970s, Jews and all others not of the white Anglo-Saxon Protestant ascendancy were still excluded from any position of real power at the bar, on the bench, at banks and in boardrooms,” …A transformation came. A new finance culture embodied by mergers and acquisitions transformed Wall Street.’

    Um…if you look at the graphs I referred Keith to on the “Conservative Counter-Revolution” thread, you might decide it is not a good idea to say this out loud.

  13. yonah fredman
    November 20, 2016, 3:29 am

    Two weeks ago I woke up on Sunday and wrote in my head, “It was the Sunday before trump was elected president.” I hoped the line was just fear, but I feared the line was not preposterous. And it was not.

    I am ashamed to have Donald trump as president. I am ashamed that white americans voted for him in such large numbers and I am ashamed that orthodox jews voted for him in such large numbers. He is a clown and a bully and a mussolini in his temperament. He is an embarrassment. When he was running I quipped, “I would laugh, but it’s not polite to laugh at your own funeral.”
    Now the assertion from phil weiss, it’s not your funeral or certainly not your funeral as a jew.
    So I feel it appropriate to catalogue my fears and prioritize them in order to make sense of them.
    I do not fear a nuclear war from trump, but I fear a diminution of democracy, which seems like a minor problem, so I will cite the real problems.
    1. And that is first. Anti muslim measures. Could president trump ask all Muslims to register? Will he be satisfied with much less blatant measures? ( how will he react to the next San Bernardino or orlando?)
    2. Anti illegal immigrants measures. Will trump go “to war” against the big cities that have declared themselves sanctuaries for our neighbors without papers?
    3. Temperament. Who the f*** knows what such a thin skinned rabble rouser is capable of?
    4. Racism- the anti black inferences of the birther movement are quite apparent to me? Who denies them?
    5. Republican agenda- repealing obamacare and giving tax breaks to the rich and putting judges on the Supreme court.
    6. Associating with haters. Bannon, who has David duke’s seal of approval.
    So I put bannon down on the list.
    But when trump runs for reelection his currying favor with David duke may be a factor of higher importance.
    Choosing an unpredictable bully who threatens hillary with prison (and 2nd amendment people) during the campaign and rubs elbows with bannon is enough to make me think that calling trump dangerous was and is a reasonable reaction.

    • Maghlawatan
      November 20, 2016, 6:53 am

      • Kay24
        November 20, 2016, 12:50 pm

        Thank you for linking that interesting BBC interview. He simply said what many of us are thinking, and are afraid of…..I guess this will never be seen by many in this country – they seem to live in some kind of denial or maybe ignorance.

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2016, 1:39 pm

        1,2,3,4,5,6

        7. Move the American Embassy to Israel to Jerusalem.

        And then, He rested.

    • Citizen
      November 20, 2016, 4:32 pm

      From Wikipedia re Paul Auster’s POV:

      Literary critic James Wood, however, offers Auster little praise in his piece “Shallow Graves” in the November 30, 2009, issue of The New Yorker:

      What Auster often gets instead is the worst of both worlds: fake realism and shallow skepticism. The two weaknesses are related. Auster is a compelling storyteller, but his stories are assertions rather than persuasions. They declare themselves; they hound the next revelation. Because nothing is persuasively assembled, the inevitable postmodern disassembly leaves one largely untouched. (The disassembly is also grindingly explicit, spelled out in billboard-size type.) Presence fails to turn into significant absence, because presence was not present enough

  14. jon s
    November 20, 2016, 7:03 am

    The ADL usually comes in for criticism on MW, but I think that the statement by ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt is noteworthy and deserves praise:

    “So I pledge to you right here and now, because I care about the fight against anti-Semitism, that if one day in these United States, if one day Muslim-Americans will be forced to register their identities, then that is the day that this proud Jew will register as a Muslim.”
    http://blog.adl.org/greenblatt/neverisnow?_ga=1.29392447.1865605179.1479642012

    • Annie Robbins
      November 20, 2016, 10:22 am

      i saw him tweet that pledge jon, it warmed my heart.

    • Philip Weiss
      November 20, 2016, 10:45 am

      agreed. James North said the same thing before Greenblatt did.
      Thanks for that Jon S

    • Mooser
      November 20, 2016, 1:42 pm

      “then that is the day that this proud Jew will register as a Muslim.”

      “Jon s” will go him one better, and register as an Eritrean.

      • Citizen
        November 20, 2016, 4:37 pm

        To avoid conscription by a tyrant? From the start of 2012 to the middle of this year, 1 in 50 Eritreans sought asylum in Europe, nearly twice the ratio of Syrians, based on data from the European Union statistical service Eurostat.

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2016, 8:52 pm

        “To avoid conscription by a tyrant?”

        Nah. He’ll do it just for kicks.

    • broadside
      November 20, 2016, 3:19 pm

      Same Greenblatt that excoriated Phil for pointing out that Jeffrey Goldberg’s Jewishness, central to EVERYTHING Goldberg has ever said, written, or done, went unmentioned by the Atlantic when Goldberg was named editor? Hardly seems like the same man. Probably isn’t.

    • Keith
      November 20, 2016, 5:25 pm

      JONATHAN GREEBLATT- “So I pledge to you right here and now, because I care about the fight against anti-Semitism, that if one day in these United States, if one day Muslim-Americans will be forced to register their identities, then that is the day that this proud Jew will register as a Muslim.”

      JEFFREY ST. CLAIR- “Suddenly the Left is all aflame over word that Trump is considering a “Muslim registry.” Apparently, these brave defenders of civil liberties are unaware that a “Muslim registry” called the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System was imposed shortly after 9/11 with the endorsement of Hillary Clinton and many other Democrats and persisted well into Obama time, only being officially abandoned in 2011. (Who is to say when, or if, it unofficially ended?) Ajamu Baraka told me that he was stopped and interrogated about his residency and status no less than five times during that decade of dread. Let us also recall that Mrs. Clinton made a dramatic gesture of returning campaign contributions from American Muslims and Muslim groups during her senate campaign, more than a year before the events of 9/11.” (Jeffrey St. Clair) http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/18/roaming-charges-when-the-pterodactyls-came-home-to-roost/

      • Sibiriak
        November 20, 2016, 7:37 pm

        if one day Muslim-Americans will be forced to register their identities
        ———-

        The Trump proposals deal with foreign visitors and immigrants — not U.S. citizens.

        Trump spokesman Jason Miller:

        The national registry of foreign visitors from countries with high terrorism activity that was in place during the Bush and Obama administrations gave intelligence and law enforcement communities additional tools to keep our country safe, but the president-elect plans on releasing his own vetting policies after he is sworn in.

        Of course, one is free to make “slippery slope” arguments.

  15. Citizen
    November 20, 2016, 7:26 am

    Trump’s rhetoric indicated he’d be less of a war-monger and banker’s boy than Hillary’s career record indicates she was. This was a peasant’s rebellion composed of two camps, Bernie’s & Trump’s. We live in neofeudal times with usury dominant and everything tangible and intangible is monetized, securitized with computers playing the casino with fiat currency leveraged into the proverbial house of cards, always about to fall. Whether Pepe, the frog is nastier than Lena Dunham, we know the former is a cartoon character that never showed up on Girls.

    • Mooser
      November 20, 2016, 2:11 pm

      “securitized with computers playing the casino”

      And Trump went broke running casinos.

      • Citizen
        November 20, 2016, 4:40 pm

        Well, we all know what happened when Billy clinton & the GOP dominated congress tore down Glass-Steagal wall between your local commercial bank and investment banking–aka casino banking.

  16. Citizen
    November 20, 2016, 7:40 am

    WSJ: Steve Bannon on Politics as War: http://bit.ly/2g42qde via @BreitbartNews
    “Breitbart is the most pro-Israel site on the internet”

  17. Citizen
    November 20, 2016, 7:42 am

    ‘War on Memes’: ADL’s Pepe Condemnation Sparks Online Backlash – Breitbart
    Article says Pepe was around for ten years and never was called “white supremacist” kind of frog until Hillary did it during her campaign.

    Try googling Pepe the frog and ZOA. What do you get?

    • Annie Robbins
      November 20, 2016, 10:28 am

      wow, i missed all the pepe meme stuff this election season. a little googling around, it’s amazing.

      • Maghlawatan
        November 20, 2016, 3:22 pm

        A very good website is knowyourmeme.Com

      • Annie Robbins
        November 20, 2016, 3:25 pm

        thanks maghlawatan, i’ll check it out.

  18. tokyobk
    November 20, 2016, 9:21 am

    Others have it worse. True. It could be worse. Also true.

    But neither fact means there aren’t reasons to be concerned.

    African American spending power is the size of the GDP of South Korea, and there is a black president. How would it sound to yet hinge racism on whether there was slavery or lynch mobs? People do so and it is always an obfuscation.

    The recent spate of swastikas and other such things is enough to be concerned even if Jews remain well placed and assimilated. As they were in Germany before the war. It dues not mean Trump is Hitler. It does mean things can change quickly for any group and it has repeatedly for Jews.

    A woman in PA was told by a stranger in public she might want to take off her Star of David necklace because “you people are not in charge any more.” It’s an asinine comment especially since as you agree Jews might not be any less in positions of influence under Trump and btw Trump will be the most Zionist enabling president ever, but it reflects on a simmering resentment and a perception that now things are say able when they were not before.

    • Mooser
      November 20, 2016, 2:17 pm

      “A woman in PA was told by a stranger in public she might want to take off her Star of David necklace because “you people are not in charge any more.”

      That is awful. Thank God, most of my friends have already given me that advice in private.

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2016, 9:19 pm

        “A woman in PA was told by a stranger in public she might want to take off her Star of David necklace because “you people are not in charge any more.”

        Naturally this story has been verified?

    • Keith
      November 20, 2016, 2:26 pm

      TOKYOBK- “But neither fact means there aren’t reasons to be concerned.”

      Yes, but what exactly is your hierarchy of concerns? My biggest concern is the significant possibility of terminal nuclear war. As such, I am slightly relieved that Hillary lost (I voted for Jill Stein). Also, the elimination of nuclear weapons (as opposed to Obama’s $1 trillion nuclear upgrade). A close second is environment destruction, global warming now a likely done deal leading to a non-nuclear catastrophe. After that, collapse of the global financial system and global political economy leading, once again, to a catastrope. Way down the list is my concern for perceived increases in anti-Semitism, or the protection of Gay marriage or the right to transgender restrooms, etc.

      Now it may be that the obvious futility of individual response to the biggest threats leads you to focus on personal issues which may effect you. I have, however, noticed that the specter of sudden surges of irrational anti-Semitism is a core ideological belief of Zionism such that fear of anti-Semitism among Zionist Jews is fundamentally irrational, yet essential to group solidarity. Suffice it to say that I and other rational folks are not concerned about old fashioned anti-Semitism (Jew hatred), but that you will likely find reasons to be so that you can continue to reap the benefits of gilded victimhood.

      • Citizen
        November 20, 2016, 5:03 pm

        My biggest concern with my vote was also that Hillary would keep on stumbling towards war with Iran, Putin, Assad, and it could easily slip into nuclear war, starting out with just little nukes, the upgrades Obama is working on. I prioritize my fear of global financial systems & the working poor divided by careful manipulation by the world’s very wealthy–over global warming. Not because it’s not happening, but because the former has been happening heavily over the last years most especially, the key instrument being the fiat dollar and how it’s leveraged to make bad things happen to the workers, while the top 1% & their 10% professional troopers get to play like they care about anybody but their own families.

        I saw some guy on MSNBC screaming about “thousands of swastikas appearing across the land!” I only know of maybe three, and it’s not clear if that graffiti was done by Trump fans or anti-Trump fans.

        I do like that notion of “gilded victimhood.” I’d like a few examples; I am sure there are many.

        I also think that the entire discussion on this thread is handicapped by the old-fashioned words and phrase being written, including my own. There’s a new mix of mixed interests lurching towards Jerusalem, so to say, and nobody’s identity is yet clear as crystal, that’s for sure.

      • tokyobk
        November 20, 2016, 6:08 pm

        “…what exactly is your hierarchy of concerns?”

        I think my comment was pretty clear that these are hardly the worst of times for Jews but that that doesn’t necessarily mean that there is no rational reason to be concerned about anti-semitism.

        But, since you ask, bigotry against Jews would be fairly low on a list of things the world, and the US faces right now. Again, not sure how that is relevant but there you go.

        How electing Trump makes us safer in any way, including with the potential for nuclear conflict I just don’t know. The world is a lot more dangerous and in much more unpredictable ways.

        Its possible for a society to do several things at once both culturally and politically. I don:t see how gay marriage is not important alongside economic opportunity or lawful policing.

        What you a re saying about the use of antisemitism to bolster Zionism is true but I am not sure what that has to do with me or anything I said, namely we are seeing swastikas and we may see violence against Jews,. We are hearing lots of obnoxious talk and that is not nothing. The standard does not need to be whether Jews are going to the ovens, does it?

        You are addressing me specifically, so I have to ask, just what use do you think antisemitism has to me? You seem to believe I need it as a part of my identity, which simply has no bearing on how I live my life and the people with whom I live it.

        I think it is, rather, another way for you to try to place Jew hatred as a minor and fairly rational event that is brought on in large part by Jews complaining about it (for selfish reasons). I see only alt-right grievances in your posts, however sanitised.

      • Keith
        November 20, 2016, 8:29 pm

        TOKYOBK- “You are addressing me specifically, so I have to ask, just what use do you think antisemitism has to me? You seem to believe I need it as a part of my identity, which simply has no bearing on how I live my life and the people with whom I live it.”

        I judge you based upon your comments which are overwhelmingly devoted to anti-Semitism. And yes, I think that a sense of JEWISH victimhood (as opposed to black victimhood) is an integral part of your identity and your price of admission into the tribe.

        TOKYOBK- “How electing Trump makes us safer in any way, including with the potential for nuclear conflict I just don’t know.”

        Then you haven’t been paying attention to Hillary’s despicable record of war mongering, nor to the people she surrounds herself with such as Victoria Nuland and Michelle Flournoy who pushed for the destruction of Libya and Syria, along with the coup in the Ukraine and their seething hostility to Russia. Hillary is full bore neocon with all that implies. I thought she was going to win the election and bring things to a head within a year, perhaps less. I was actually frightened by the prospect. With Hillary, all options are always on the table ready for use. Even so, I didn’t vote for Trump. How could I? We may have bought ourselves some time, but disaster looms in any event. Of course, with your relative privilege and narrow focus, much of this will pass you by unnoticed until the unforeseen disaster becomes apparent to all.

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2016, 9:04 pm

        “said, namely we are seeing swastikas and we may see violence against Jews,. We are hearing lots of obnoxious talk and that is not nothing. The standard does not need to be whether Jews are going to the ovens, does it?”

        Oh shit, “tokyobk”! Welcome to the wonderful every day life of a minority person, or in many cases, women. Why do you think we get an exemption?
        But you made it five paragraphs, and an episode started.

      • Sibiriak
        November 20, 2016, 10:52 pm

        Keith: Hillary’s despicable record of war mongering, nor to the people she surrounds herself with such as Victoria Nuland and Michelle Flournoy who pushed for the destruction of Libya and Syria, along with the coup in the Ukraine and their seething hostility to Russia.

        —————

        All true. But unfortunately it appears that the seething hostility to Russia is being suppressed by Trump & co., if it is, only in order to get Russia on the U.S side in the great War between Judeo-Christian Civilization and Radical Islam In terms of a possible nuclear conflagration, I suppose that is an improvement, but I don’t think full-scale war with Russia was really in the cards anyway. War with Iran is a more realistic prospect.

        In any case, I’d like to see a lessening of tensions with Russia and a more rational approach to the conflicts in Ukraine and Syria. With Clinton, there was ZERO chance of that. With Trump…we’ll have to wait and see.

      • Keith
        November 21, 2016, 1:45 pm

        SIBIRIAK- “…I don’t think full-scale war with Russia was really in the cards anyway.”

        Not a planned nuclear war, perhaps, but accidents happen and things can spiral out of control. In the last sixty years, we have barely escaped a nuclear war. Perhaps the most famous incident involved the Soviet submarine commander who during the Cuban missle crisis prevented the launch of a nuclear armed torpedo in responce to US depth charges. Not difficult to imagine that escalating to a full nuclear exchange particularly since Kennedy and his advisors estimated the likelihood of war at 50%. There have been other incidents. Remember that tactical nukes (under 100 kilotons (Hiroshima was 20 kilotons)) do not require Presidential authorization and can be launched by a three star General. Current Russian military doctrine is to use tactical nukes to prevent a massive defeat. In a sense, we are all living on borrowed time. Needless to say, neocon brinkmanship is extraordinarily risky. Here is an Edward S. Herman quote from before the election.

        “Hillary Clinton is a neo-liberal and pre-eminent war-monger. I think she is the most dangerous person living in the world today, given her highly likely election victory and her likely performance as president.” (Edward S. Herman) http://www.blackagendareport.com/edward_herman_clinton_most_dangerous

    • broadside
      November 20, 2016, 7:08 pm

      ‘A woman in PA was told by a stranger in public she might want to take off her Star of David necklace because “you people are not in charge any more.” It’s an asinine comment …’

      It’s an asinine comment, yes, and yet … and yet the United States vetoes Security Council resolutions condemning Israeli behavior that GERMANY votes for. Germany doesn’t simply abstain, which is what the United States used to do back when it had some spine and integrity on these matters, it votes FOR.

      Where was the American Jewish community then? Where was the NY Times? Not worthy of an editorial? Not worthy of an op-ed by Brooks, Cohen, or Friedman, stating that if it’s really gotten to the point where Germany is voting for UN resolutions critical of Israel that the United States is vetoing, then maybe just maybe the Israel-America relationship had entered the perverse? I would posit that had that editorial or column been written the woman in PA wouldn’t have to worry about wearing her Star of David.

      I’d also add re: the furor over Steve Bannon: where was the American Jewish community when Elliot “Jews shouldn’t mingle with Gentiles” Abrams was collecting a paycheck from those same Gentiles he preferred not mingle with? White supremacy bad, Jewish supremacy okay?

      • tokyobk
        November 20, 2016, 7:33 pm

        I don’t know what your examples have to do with my story about the woman in PA.

        If someone tells you that a Muslim woman in Ohio was told she should take off her headscarf, do you produce a long list of things Muslims have done or allegedly done?

        If you do, what kind of person are you and what is your agenda?

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2016, 9:26 pm

        “I don’t know what your examples have to do with my story about the woman in PA”

        Oh, that was a pretty good story, “tokyobk”, but too short. Tell us another one. Just a few more unverified stories and we get to guess what kind of person you are and what your agenda is.

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2016, 9:40 pm

        “‘A woman in PA was told by a stranger in public she might want to take off her Star of David necklace because “you people are not in charge any more.””

        “Perhaps this is is the incident “tokyobk” is talking about!

        Or perhaps it was privately reported to him on social media.

      • echinococcus
        November 20, 2016, 10:05 pm

        According to a 1949 Pennsylvania State law, “no teacher in any public school shall wear in said school or while engaged in the performance of his duty as such teacher any dress, mark, emblem or insignia indicating the fact that such teacher is a member or adherent of any religious order, sect or denomination.” Violation may be punished by up to a year’s suspension, extending so far as to make the teacher ineligible to teach in the same institution if the violation continues.

        Read more at http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/25419/us-parent-files-legal-complaint-sons-teachers-star-david-necklace/#uWJVdSEfVMhWQF7z.99

        Yes! One state, Pennsylvania, had a fugitive moment of respect of the First Amendment.
        Of course, the judges again decided against the Constitution.

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2016, 10:47 pm

        ” One state, Pennsylvania, had a fugitive moment of respect of the First Amendment”

        Well, if that is the event “tokyobk” is speaking of.

        Doesn’t much resemble “A woman in PA was told by a stranger in public she might want to take off her Star of David necklace because “you people are not in charge any more.”

        But if that indeed is what is happening, there’s a question we must face: Is it time to Arm American Jews? Should we solve our First Amendment problems with Second Amendment solutions?

      • talknic
        November 20, 2016, 11:18 pm

        broadside

        “… yet the United States vetoes Security Council resolutions condemning Israeli behavior that GERMANY votes for.”

        To be clear. Condemnations are via Chapter VI resolutions, reminding a particular party of its obligations to existing/predetermined and binding International Law, the UN Charter (binding on all members) and relative binding conventions.

        It would be illegal to veto or vote against a Chapt VI resolution reaffirming, emphasizing and reminding a party of predetermined and binding Law/Charter/Conventions and condemning that party’s illegal action/s. Members of the Security Council can only abstain from voting on such Chapt VI resolutions. i.e, have no say, no vote.

        Chapt VII resolutions on the other hand, seek to take action/s against the party after condemnation via Chapter VI resolutions have been ignored. Chapter VII resolutions can be vetoed or voted against because the action/s against the party are not predetermined.

        “Germany doesn’t simply abstain, which is what the United States used to do back when it had some spine and integrity on these matters, it votes FOR.

        Germany can only vote on UNSC resolutions when it is a Member of the UNSC http://www.un.org/en/sc/inc/searchres_sc_members_english.asp?sc_members=42 Only the USA, Russia, China, UK and France can veto Chapt VII resolutions

        A rogue state only has to secure one veto vote to prevent actions against it

      • echinococcus
        November 23, 2016, 12:36 am

        Mooser,

        So the question seems to be: is the 2nd A. the only way to cancel this almost-miracle-grade of respect for the 1st A, or the First itself, in order for “we” to guarantee by the arms the freedom to wear ostentatious religious symbols in public schools?

        Dunno, I’m definitely Sefardí, with an extreme respect for the Establishment Clause inherited from my French parents. Unlike the East Coast Ashkenazi, I don’t have to protect a sterling progressive reputation of being the most liberal sector of the population.

    • Sibiriak
      November 20, 2016, 11:19 pm

      tokyobk: The recent spate of swastikas and other such things is enough to be concerned even if Jews remain well placed and assimilated. As they were in Germany before the war. It dues not mean Trump is Hitler. It does mean things can change quickly for any group and it has repeatedly for Jews.
      —————–

      Actually, no. A “spate” of swastikas (of unknown origin) does NOT mean things can change quickly for Jews in the U.S. Nor does the comparison of the U.S. today with “Germany before the war” have any factual foundation. You are making really wild leaps with such assertions.

      • Mooser
        November 21, 2016, 2:11 pm

        tokyobk: “The recent spate of swastikas and other such things”

        Yeah, that happens, doesn’t it.

      • Citizen
        November 23, 2016, 5:13 pm

        Nobody even knows that the tiny handful of swastika-Trump graffiti was painted by pro-Trump fans, or anti-Trump fans.

  19. mlevin
    November 20, 2016, 10:18 am

    I doubt that a single jew voicing fear for the jewish future actually means it. Their purpose is to elicit an inference: “Jews must be threatened, or they wouldn’t be so frightened.” The same inference is invited by the large police presence, bollards and barriers at every synagogue in NY: “There must be a real danger of anti-semitic attacks, or why would it be necessary to protect synagogues?” Israel, of course, is the master of this tactic: “Israel must be in great peril, or why would they keep saying they are?” The best reply to this argument is to call “bullshit.”

    • Mooser
      November 20, 2016, 12:44 pm

      ” The best reply to this argument is to…”

      …do what Jews have done ever since they were emancipated from segregation and civil disabilities. They simply say “No thanks, I’m not having any, please bring me something else.”

    • Citizen
      November 20, 2016, 5:06 pm

      One answer is that about 97% of all Homeland Security community protection funding has gone to USA’s 2% Jewish community? Gotta earn their keep.

  20. W.Jones
    November 20, 2016, 1:26 pm

    What is the photo of Isaac babel for?

    • gamal
      November 21, 2016, 5:34 am

      well

      “There is no reason why a well thought-out story should resemble real life; life strives with all its might to resemble a well thought-out story.”

      that does it for me and TBK.

  21. Steve Grover
    November 20, 2016, 2:17 pm

    “Chemi Shalev makes my point. He says that Jews came to feel that they were insiders in America– and suddenly we are outsiders.”

    An adjustment turns this to truth – and as usual anti-Israel Jews more so than ever are outsiders.

    • Mooser
      November 20, 2016, 3:10 pm

      “An adjustment turns this to truth – and as usual anti-Israel Jews more so than ever are outsiders.”

      This is the moment for the good, real Jews pro-Israel Jews to deal with the outsider anti-Israel Jews. Think about it “Grover”! Zionist Jews plus Gentiles allied against anti-Israel Jews! Time to clean some dead wood out of the 2 billion Jews. We won’t miss them.

      • Citizen
        November 20, 2016, 5:11 pm

        Yeah, start with Bernie & Jill (Stein!); they gotta go, Hillary & Donald’s camp say so! We’re on a roll, already got at least a dozen state legislatures Hitting those nasty BDS folks hard, more to come! Archie Bunker rose from his cement star sidewalk to help us!

      • Steve Grover
        November 20, 2016, 6:59 pm

        Naw fellow Citizen. Keep it simple just keep guys like Phil Weiss, Max Blumenthal and their favorite “Rabbi” Brant Rosen and their wacky preachin’ on the fringe where they will forever remain.

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2016, 9:14 pm

        Naw “Grover”. Keep it simple, just keep guys like Rabbi Wise and and his wacky preachin’ on the fringe where they will forever remain.

        See you at the banquet, “Grover”!

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2016, 9:51 pm

        “Keep it simple just keep guys like Phil Weiss, Max Blumenthal and their favorite “Rabbi” Brant Rosen”

        Aw, gee, our own little nascent kapo. And Lord High Mohelcutioner!

        He’s got a little list, of Jews that won’t be missed.
        And he’s hot to tell the Trumpers all about ’em.

        Those damn Progressivists! And the Assimilationists!
        They’ll none of ’em be missed. Not a one of them be missed.
        The renegades, and liberals, and Anti-Zionists!
        They’ll none of ’em be missed. “Grover’s” got ’em on the list.

      • (((James North)))
        November 20, 2016, 10:12 pm

        Very cunning, Mooser. Put an even dumber than usual comment in your sock-puppet’s mouth, then pretend to get angry at him. This is on a par with Trump pretending to get angry over Pence at “Hamilton,” so the morons in the mainstream press follow his tweets all weekend and give him a pass on the $25 million he has to pay the people he defrauded at Trump U.

      • Mooser
        November 20, 2016, 10:55 pm

        “Very cunning, Mooser. Put an even dumber than usual comment in your sock-puppet’s mouth, then pretend to get angry at him.”

        I wanted an excuse to use the “Little List” parody. So out comes the “Grover” sock-puppet.

  22. W.Jones
    November 20, 2016, 3:04 pm

    Fox News said he was Marshal at the Salute to Israel Parade. He gave an address at Aipac, right?

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/11/20/trump-is-headed-to-white-house-did-just-elect-our-first-jewish-president.amp.html

    • Citizen
      November 20, 2016, 5:12 pm

      More significant, he kicked to the curb one of his most loyal heavy guys, Chris Christie!

  23. kalithea
    November 21, 2016, 12:28 am

    Wow, Trump met with Kris Kobach this weekend because he might put him in charge of Immigration to set up a Registry; he’s got that bigot, racist Sessions for Justice and three Islamophobes headed for NSA, Defense and the CIA to plot war with Iran that could possibly trigger world war, and they’re bringing back torture and a discussion on pseudo Jewish angst over imagined loss of status is so pressing?

    This is really not helpful because all it does is add further fuel and significance to this non-issue of anti-Semitism that was manufactured out of nothing in the Trump administration’s words or actions so far, that could justify all this.

    So can we put this navel gazing to rest once and for all, because the threat level against Muslims is through the roof and Latinos are going to be hunted down and persecuted as well and we may be heading for a war with Iran, as if there aren’t enough real threats this new administration poses?

    And today, just for show, Trump invited, Robert Johnson (ex-owner of BET) for a meeting because he just can’t think of any black people who could be an asset to his administration. Of course not! How can he put a black man in charge of an office in the racist, police state he’s trying to create??? Well, no doubt he’ll think of something to make his modern-day Jim Crow class system seem palatable to the masses.

    But hey, don’t let me interrupt you; carry on with this much ado discussion. Guess we have to cover the threat level to Jews first and foremost, even if the conclusion is: there is none.

  24. Stogumber
    November 21, 2016, 2:47 am

    As a gentile outsider, I understand that you defend the secularized “social justice warrior” variant of Judaism, and this in particular where it contradicts the politics of Israel.
    But I see also some tendencies to emphasize that you are the only authentic and legitimate form of Judaism and your opponents are nothing more than “Zionists” or “Israelists” or “ethnic nationalists” without a religious legitimation.

    But I would recommend that you don’t see your variant as the only possible. Chabad is a distinct, but completely legitimate and authentic variant of Judaism.
    And there are of course deep differences between the secularists and Chabad. E.g. the Jewish secularists have a long tradition of fighting against Christian symbols on public places, whereas Chabad is much more open and accepting to Christians – they are more occupied with promoting their own symbols than with fighting against others’.
    Insofar Chabad is more prone to create good feelings between Christians and Jews and will play a greater part in conservative circles.

    • Mooser
      November 21, 2016, 1:25 pm

      “Insofar Chabad is more prone to create good feelings between Christians and Jews and will play a greater part in conservative circles.”

      ROTFLMSJAO! Chabad is “more prone to create good feelings between Christians and Jews”! Oh yeah, for sure, that’s what Chabad worries about night and day.

      And please don’t tell me what is authentic and legitimate. Chabad is an illegitimate, inauthentic, and modern fad.

  25. lysias
    November 21, 2016, 7:44 am

    As a subscriber to both, I was dismayed to see how the Washington Post and the New Yorker degenerated into propaganda sheets for Hillary this election season. The treatment both gave Trump was contemptuous, but what I as a Jill Stein supporter really noticed was the blackout on her.

    Trump has a lot of faults, but I must admit I feel great relief now that the imminent threat of war with Russia has disappeared or at least diminished with the defeat of Hillary.

    • kalithea
      November 21, 2016, 10:35 am

      was the blackout on her. Trump has a lot of faults, but I must admit I feel great relief now that the imminent threat of war with Russia has disappeared or at least diminished with the defeat of Hillary.

      I really didn’t want Hillary or Trump to win; guess I was hoping for Americans to think outside the duopoly strangling their democracy, but it never pays to bet that Americans will think.

      I commend you on being one of the few who does, but are you relieved that the imminent threat of war will be with Iran instead? That’s not to say that war with Russia is off the table, mind you. It’ll be on the back burner until Iran is destroyed and plundered, OR, Russia could step in and f…ck up the Zionist/Neocons plans again like it did in Syria. Then we’ll have war with Iran and Russia. So, it’s not such a relief; you just can’t escape American idiocy. Maybe picking a fight with Iran will finally put an end to the overwhelming stupid choices Americans repeatedly make.

  26. broadside
    November 21, 2016, 10:32 am

    White Nationalism, Explained, by Amy Taub, NY Times, 11/21/16

    In which Eric Kaufmann, a professor of politics at Birkbeck University in London, says “white nationalism is the belief that national identity should be built around white ethnicity, and that white people should therefore maintain both a demographic majority and dominance of the nation’s culture and public life.

    “So, like white supremacy, white nationalism places the interests of white people over those of other racial groups. White supremacists and white nationalists both believe that racial discrimination should be incorporated into law and policy.”

    Now what country does that remind me of — is actually more a description of? One America is really close to, one both president and president-elect (and 535 members of Congress) continually laud — one US taxpayers just gave $38 billion to? Normally in a story like this comparisons are made to give context, but not here. Why not? Are we supposed to believe only an anti-semite would think, Taub…. is that a Jewish name?

    Keeping with the Times, there was a fawning piece yesterday , almost gagging, really, on how Jared Kushner, Donald Trump’s son-in-law and orthodox Jew who observes the Sabbath, had the president-elect’s ear, so much so, the Times said, that advisers close to Trump often run things by Kushner first, before going to … the PRESIDENT-ELECT of the United States. Going solely by the contents of the Time’s article, I don’t know that I have ever read of a less qualified person ANYWHERE sitting that close to power; to call Kushner a lightweight is to credit him because it implies he has some, but nowhere in the article is there any evidence of that. They couldn’t come up w a single example! And yet not even a suggestion in the article along the lines of: what the hell is this guy doing advising a US president??? (Hell, even Nancy Reagan made a few films.)

    This is our media, and this is dangerous stuff. To pretend that the Jewish-centricism of the most powerful newspaper in the world doesn’t exist, isn’t real, isn’t harmful to the interests of the people of the United States, Jew and Gentile alike — including the lady in PA wearing the Star of David –is, frankly, to be an idiot.

    • Mooser
      November 21, 2016, 12:42 pm

      As a retired printer used to mixing inks to precise formulations, I have to ask, at what PMS number does “white” stop and “well, not white” begin?

      • broadside
        November 21, 2016, 2:48 pm

        I’d say it started with Great Britain (ended there for some), traveled eastward through Western Europe, but not including all of Italy.

      • talknic
        November 21, 2016, 7:17 pm

        Lemme correct that for you Mooser

        As a retired printer sprinter used to mixing inks Nikes to precise formulations …

    • broadside
      November 21, 2016, 1:48 pm

      Correction: Amanda Taub. Sorry Amy.

  27. SonofDaffyDuck
    November 21, 2016, 1:07 pm

    Isn’t Jaded Kushner going to be Trumps principle advisor? He is going to be Trumps Cromwell, albeit a jewish one . Jewish influence is going to fade?

    The only potential problem I see is that Trump will Hug Bibi so hard he may break a rib.

    • broadside
      November 21, 2016, 1:46 pm

      In fact, he’s not going to be any adviser at all. The whole piece was rubbish.

  28. calm
    November 21, 2016, 1:30 pm

    I have never seen the American public so angry as they are today.

    They want to strike out at anybody who even smells of wealth.

    And we all know full well what that means.

    Calm

    • Mooser
      November 21, 2016, 2:08 pm

      “They want to strike out at anybody who even smells of wealth.”

      Wow, that guy who was on the reality show, the real estate guy, what was his name? He better watch out! Yeah, Donald Trump, that was the guy. Man, if I was him, I wouldn’t show my face or my wealth or my self-dealing in public! They might string him up.

      • Mooser
        November 21, 2016, 5:47 pm

        “They want to strike out at anybody who even smells of wealth.”

        Like the Kochs?

  29. mcohen.
    November 21, 2016, 4:00 pm

    annie pepe meme was born and heavily promoted on 4chan pol,short for politically incorrect.i visit the site everyday.check out there twittergate.even got to see hrc medical xrays.looked liked she had hip replacements.a lot of file sharing goes on.the site is owned by a japanese businessman..most of the posting has been pro trump.a lot of pedophile accusations against epstein and clinton.a lot of anti semitism.but packaged around the word jew.exa c tly like what you read at alt right sites.it is all manufactured and run as infomation in both directions to create facts on the ground.interesting that sites owner is Japanese.

    • Mooser
      November 21, 2016, 4:36 pm

      “.i visit the site everyday.”

      It’s easy to see it is essential reading for you.

      • mcohen.
        November 21, 2016, 6:40 pm

        absolutely.stuff is getting posted that is really funny.unbuckles a chuckle.

    • MRW
      November 22, 2016, 5:31 am

      Hey. mcohen. There is a space between sentences when you write English.

      • Mooser
        November 23, 2016, 10:40 pm

        “Hey. mcohen. There is a space between sentences when you write English.”

        But there’s no space between sentences in a ‘mutter’.
        It’s written as a stream-of-unconscionables .

  30. lyn117
    November 21, 2016, 5:20 pm

    First they came for the Muslims …

    • gamal
      November 21, 2016, 6:12 pm

      “First they came for the Muslims …”

      they’ll have to go through Greenblatt first

  31. Maghlawatan
    November 22, 2016, 3:52 am

    Forget today’s news. Look at the big picture. The Jews with the furry hats now live in the Middle East. They no longer have a predator . No Cossacks. No Nazis. They actually have new enemies. Lebanese Shia and vermin who live in a concentration shtetl. Such a long way from the cold forest to the 12th imam.

    And it wasn’t all milk and honey. They had to brainwash the kids. And all the wars.

    But things are fine.
    And then one mornIng they wake up and there is another Streicher . In the White House staff.

    I will never forget what that old Jewish lady said. “They told me the Palestinians were my enemy. The Palestinians are not my enemy”

  32. MRW
    November 22, 2016, 5:29 am

    This was a great post, Phil.

  33. Scott
    November 22, 2016, 11:11 am

    Annie, Here is a take on the alt-right (one of many) which I think gets it about right. The term comprises about as many meanings as “socialism” –part of the problem.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/rise-of-the-alt-right/

    • Mooser
      November 22, 2016, 4:37 pm

      So, we can sum that up by saying that the “”alt-right” wants to redeem America from its present morass by making race and sex discrimination legal again.

  34. rhkroell
    November 22, 2016, 9:31 pm

    I think that Annie is correct in suggesting that the “alt-right” should not be dismissed out of hand. I have noticed that many young white male Christians, atheists, libertarians and others — non-Jews and non-Muslims of all sorts — make racist, anti-Semitic and Islamophobic comments to me in private coffeehouse conversations. My “chrome dome” apparently makes them feel safe to speak their minds around me — a stranger, someone they may have seen around town before — Ventura, CA — but do not know personally.

    I honestly believe I probably hear more comments of this sort in casual conversations than most people do. Many of these young white males appear to assume that I’m an older, fairly successful paleoconservative (or white ethno-nationalist of some sort), part of what they consider to be the new “silent majority.” It is troubling and worrisome. It makes me anxious, at times. What I have always recognized as “white privilege” (or “WASP privilege”) seems to have morphed into its reverse among many white males: they actually seem to genuinely believe that — as white males — they are the victims of discrimination in (what is for them) today’s new “pc world.”

    We need to make an effort to stay informed. We need to try to reason with these people. We should not ignore their comments. We should challenge them in an intellectually-rigorous manner.

    Having shared this experience, I would also add — “with extreme prejudice” (to quote dialogue from Coppola’s APOCALYPSE NOW) — that it’s too soon to become fearful, paranoid. Talk is cheap. When more of these young white males begin gathering in groups and assaulting “minorities” — if we ever reach that stage in the U.S. (and I don’t believe we will) — then it will be clear that it is actually time to start becoming fearful, paranoid.

    I don’t think we have reached that stage of madness yet, so it seems premature to presume that the U.S. is moving rapidly in a linear direction toward some ultra-right-wing political movement which closely resembles fascism. Trump’s election may be a temporary aberration. Let’s hope so. It’s too soon to assume, as many of these young white males do, apparently, that this is “the new normal.”

  35. hophmi
    November 22, 2016, 11:21 pm

    Lol, of course you’re not worried. You hold antisemitic views, advance discredited conspiracy theories, and trade of cheap stereotypes. You’d be happy if Jews were all secularists who gave their children zero Jewish education. Why on Earth was it even necessary to write this post at all? It’s just a repetition of every nonsense things you’ve said for the last decade.

    You could be a lobster in boiling water and not worry.

    • Mooser
      November 23, 2016, 1:55 pm

      “You’d be happy if Jews were all secularists who gave their children zero Jewish education”

      “Hophmi” is right ‘this analysis is nothing new. It is typical of Phil’s writing, which suggests, as it always does, the Phil has internalized anti-Jewish hatred, and like those secularist Jews in Europe who looked down upon their brethren or converted to Christianity to escape their Judaism, Phil adopts the classic tropes of the self-hater. The key point here is that he echoes Gilad Atzmon’s views, shared by some commentators on his site, that Jews control the world, ostensibly to illustrate the challenge of criticizing the Jewish community, and he missed the irony, which is that his critique amounts to the same claim
      Self-hatred is a disease. It is a sad disease borne of many generations of persecution, but it is a disease. And Phil is afflicted with it, as many Jews have been in the past. And it is usually the self-haters who cause the worst damage to the Jewish community, precisely because of how big it is’ -: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/hophmi/?keyword=fall+away#sthash.3NmJTPUp.dpuf

    • eljay
      November 23, 2016, 2:50 pm

      || hophmi: … You’d be happy if Jews were all secularists who gave their children zero Jewish education. ||

      And you’d be happy if all Jews were hateful and immoral Zio-supremacists who:
      – advocated, justified, supported and defended Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine; and
      – believed that Jews are entitled to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them.

      So – hooray! – you’re the “better Jew”. But Phil certainly seems to be the better human being.

    • Mooser
      November 23, 2016, 10:57 pm

      “You could be a lobster in boiling water and not worry.”

      Hmmmm, why would “Hophmi”, know anything about cooking lobsters?? I find this highly suspicious.

  36. Raphael
    November 23, 2016, 12:03 pm

    I would, personally, if I was Jewish become a citizen of Israel after the Trump win.

    I voted for Clinton; even though I knew she had no chance of winning.

    I can attest from personal, experience having grown up from divorced parents…. one being of a non Jewish, half Irish, and German on my mothers side, and the other a half Jewish parent… on my fathers side.

    Ironically, even though my mother is not a man like Trump her world view and mentality is almost exactly the same as that of Trump, and Trump also is of the same cultural Americanism being half Scottish Irish and German, upper elite attitude.

    My mother also used to be a JFK Democrat before becoming a Republican like Trump. She was a JFK Democrat, she had dated the President of the New York State AFL CIO quite alot as I was growing up, and I think Trump got 43% of the Labor vote.

    People like my mother, and Trump have what I term civil antisemitism…the American, and American Jewish cultures of my parents were not meant for each other so they divorced. Even though my father considered himself to be more American then Jewish. He never even mentioned to me the word Jewish, ever.

    As, it is with Trump…I’m sure if he ever had married a Jewess, he would of divorced her.

    And excellent book about this is Civil Antisemitism, Modernism, and British Culture, 1902–1939
    By L. Trubowitz

    • Mooser
      November 23, 2016, 2:33 pm

      I’ve been following your comments, “Raphael”. Was it nice to have so many different sets of parents? Or did it mean moving around a lot?

      • Raphael
        November 23, 2016, 3:44 pm

        Mooser

        It was interesting until I had my mid life crisis. I realized I could get on a plane and be a nice Jewish boy in Miami…. then fly back to my non Jewish parent and be a Jew… when I had always thought I was a American. It gave me a very uneasy feeling later in life; that I was at the time simply a prop in a sadistic stage play; a mongrel Israelite, a Goy Jew.

      • amigo
        November 23, 2016, 4:15 pm

        “reminds me of what my mother used to tell me about the dangers of marrying out.you never know when the other side of the family would make an anti smite slight.”mccohen

        reminds me of what my mother used to tell me about the dangers of marrying “in” . You never know when the other side of the family would accuse you of making a ” slight smite “.

      • Mooser
        November 23, 2016, 6:55 pm

        “It gave me a very uneasy feeling later in life; that I was at the time simply a prop in a sadistic stage play; a mongrel Israelite, a Goy Jew.?”

        Cry me a fucking river.

    • mcohen.
      November 23, 2016, 2:42 pm

      raphael.exactly

      reminds me of what my mother used to tell me about the dangers of marrying out.you never know when the other side of the family would make an anti smite slight.

      the pukkah yok…..never know what they will say behind your back.

      thats why i liked “fiddler on the roof”…why bother wanting to be in the house.when you can dance on its roof.

      • Philemon
        November 23, 2016, 9:01 pm

        But how do you stay up there?

        That’s why I liked “Shoggoth on the Roof”!

  37. Raphael
    November 24, 2016, 1:22 am

    mcohen

    I seen that movie years ago; and I liked the movie then. But, today I cannot get myself to watch it again. Thank you for telling me about the wisdom your family members shared with you. I think perhaps there is some truth to it about the goy side of the family causing trouble.

    I know when my mother and father married, they never considered the responsibilities, and cultural differences that would have to be faced before they married… even though they were both Americans…they were Americans from two different worlds of each other. Unlike Trump’s world, in that everyone in Trump’s world are all trust fund babies.

    What I call the Old world, and the New World… the traditional world and the modern world. My father was second generation from the Old World, and my mother around the third generation from the Old world in Ireland. They both thought as Americans life would be one big party; sort of like a Trump vacation on steroids. But they did not realize that the legacy money comes with strings attached. And, trust fund babies, not having access to the trust fund means no party. The party is over so to speak.

    But, I have never been much of a community person. I’m a individualist…that could survive without a trust fund from my parents. Trump is a trust fund baby, without the Trump name he would be nothing. He can never have the courage to look into the future; to leave the confines of his house and look into the future. Watch for the next 8 years.; it will all be about traditionalism; lots of John Wayne reruns; and remakes of his movies. But that will do nothing to bring back the Middle Class industrial jobs that are in India and China.

    • Mooser
      November 24, 2016, 12:39 pm

      “But, I have never been much of a community person. I’m a individualist…”

      Oh, you bet. Never seen anything like it. “Behold, a man!”

  38. mcohen.
    November 24, 2016, 3:48 pm

    raphael

    well i do not know trump that well to comment.never met him.in fact i have not met many americans in a long time.maybe one or two.i would like to met a few like bob dylan or neil armstrong or elon musk or gaby gifford.but instead i ended up meeting the fiddler on the roof which is a good thing.in fact i meet him all the time.i met him this week at yahrzeit prayers….in a gesture someone did.

    • Mooser
      November 24, 2016, 4:59 pm

      “well i do not know trump that well to comment.never met him.”

      Surprising that Rabbi Kadar or Eric Fingerhut hasn’t introduced you.

    • Raphael
      November 24, 2016, 9:11 pm

      mcohen

      I never met Trump either. I read some of his books, and I thought they were excellent books. But, then I think I recall he had a ghost writer write them, that was Jewish. I have met very wealthy people that have outstanding moral values. But, then again I met other extremely wealthy people that are Bernie Madoff clones. My theory of Trump’s moral values are conjecture based upon his being a trust fund baby. The trust fund babies I met in my life have very low moral values.

      Also, the similarities of Trump’s marriages with that of my mother and father, is interesting. I think the mainstream media… the so called watch dog of government is missing some important things about the Trump claim that he is not a anti-Semitic German reincarnated from 1933 by simply saying… well he has Jewish grandchildren.

      As if to imply that Trump is in some way married to it, like that of his daughter that married a Jew. The media should be talking to her, to get a general idea about if Trump is really for Israel and the Jews.

      For example, what if the rabbi that certified her Jewishness rushed the counseling process through; because of the Trump name? Did the rabbi make her wait a period of time to make sure that she understood she, and the Trump dynasty she may inherit, would have a Jewish cultural element simply because of the marriage?

      My guess is that from Trump’s other marriages is that he a trust fund baby with no remarkable moral values; but I could be wrong… I guess if he does what all his voters wish about him will be the ultimate test.

      • mcohen.
        November 25, 2016, 5:32 am

        raphael

        trump said asia is building a middle class on the backs of blue collar workers.those same workers who make good soldiers in times of war.those same workers that make good revolutionaries if not treated fairly.i understand this clearly.many fail to grasp the implications.

      • Mooser
        November 25, 2016, 3:21 pm

        I never met Trump, either”

        Neither of you have met Trump? I find that hard to believe.

        “I read some of his books, and I thought they were excellent books. But, then I think I recall he had a ghost writer write them, that was Jewish”

        Oh, he must have been! This is what Tony Schwartz says: “I have a deep sense of remorse”

  39. RobertHenryEller
    November 28, 2016, 2:00 pm

    Amazing, Phil:

    You just made an argument why Jewish Americans are “safe” because they are now the Establishment.

    Did you happen to notice the recent elections? Voters on both ends of the political spectrum voted decidedly against the Establishment.

    And you just gave the old WASP aristocracy (Who, via the Koch Brothers, et al, are still very much pulling the strings.) an out, saying they are “not in power” anymore. So when the people who are trying to kick out the Establishment keep on kicking, whose butts are they going to see first (With a little help from Breitbart, the alt-Right, etc.)?

    In effect, Phil, your argument itself disproves your thesis.

    How far away is your argument from the rationalizations of German Jews in the 1930s? I see no daylight between them.

    I’m not happy to point any of this out.

    Regards,

    Robert Eller

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