ADL’s Greenblatt is the one who needs to express ‘contrition’ for accusation of Keith Ellison

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This is the latest in a series anatomizing the powerful construction of reality called Hasbara Culture by Yakov Hirsch. @yakovhirsch. You can see the full series here.

I have been writing about an extremely Jewish ethno-centric worldview that I call hasbara culture. This culture is constituted by a social construction of reality that experiences the world in very narrow terms. I have mostly used examples from the most influential hasbara culturalist in the U.S., Jeffrey Goldberg, the new editor in chief of the Atlantic, to illustrate this Jewish ethnocentric zealotry. What is problematic is not solely Jeffrey Goldberg believing the Jewish people are the best thing since sliced bread and his need to share that news every way he can. The trouble begins with his inability to realize that other people have entirely different and indeed legitimate experiences of the world, and that they are not fixated on Jews.

Which brings us to Jonathan Greenblatt of the Anti Defamation League.

It is one thing for Jeffrey Goldberg to inaccurately assign Jew-hatred as motivation on the part of his political and ideological opponents. Goldberg’s agitation over the years was widely recognized as very self-serving: everyone understands that Goldberg is advancing his career and his particular ideological agendas when he clamors about anti-Semitism.

Jeffrey Goldberg epitomizes Hasbara Culture (Photo: Riccardo S. Savi/Getty Images)

Jeffrey Goldberg epitomizes Hasbara Culture (Photo: Riccardo S. Savi/Getty Images)

That is not the case with the ADL. The ADL has been sanctified in American culture since the days of the Leo Frank case. When the ADL passes judgment on someone, it is thought to say something more truthful about the accused than when Jeffrey Goldberg does so. When the civil rights/anti hate organization calls someone a hater, most people assume the ADL has a guilty party in the dock.

As an American Jew I am not proud to report that this is in fact not the case. The ADL can’t be relied upon to tell Americans who the Jew haters are. I have shown in my recent writings of example after example where Jonathan Greenblatt tars clearly innocent people as anti-Semites. I have argued these accusations of anti-Semitism have nothing to do with Jew hatred and everything to do with hasbara culture. Hasbara culture entails an ethnocentric experience of the world that very often does not reflect what actually is going on. It is only with the hasbara culture perspective that anti-Semitism is spotted.

In hasbara culture ”antisemitism” cases, non-Jews are just doing their own thing, following their own values and causes, and suddenly hasbara culture comes knocking. It was because of Mr. Greenblatt’s misunderstanding of what he was seeing that he maligned them. I encourage readers who want to understand this discussion better to read up on the individual cases. It is also important to be mindful of the different ways Greenblatt cultivates the sacredness of his world view, of hasbara culture: specifically, note how many times Greenblatt demands “contrition” when he addresses his innocent targets.

That is what hasbara culture looks like in action. For those paying attention, the one who should be begging for forgiveness is Jonathan Greenblatt for ruining the lives of good people.

Which brings us to the news of the day: the Anti-Defamation League’s attempt to thwart Keith Ellison from becoming head of the Democratic National Committee. The last we had heard from the ADL it had given the Minnesota Congressman a kosher certificate. Greenblatt informed the public that whatever misgivings he had about Ellison’s past he “appreciated his contrition on some matters.”

But now Jonathan Greenblatt says “new information recently has come to light” that “disqualifies” Keith Ellison from being DNC chair. This “new information” is a recording of Keith Ellison in 2010 speaking to a group of Muslim political supporters and urging them to organize to counter the political reality, that US foreign policy in the Middle East is governed by what is good or bad for a country of 7 million, Israel.

After hearing the recording, this was the updated Greenblatt statement:

Rep. Ellison’s remarks are both deeply disturbing and disqualifying.  His words imply that U.S. foreign policy is based on religiously or national origin-based special interests rather than simply on America’s best interests. Additionally, whether intentional or not, his words raise the specter of age-old stereotypes about Jewish control of our government, a poisonous myth that may persist in parts of the world where intolerance thrives, but that has no place in open societies like the U.S.

The ADL is in effect eavesdropping on a group of politically-active Muslims speaking amongst themselves. If you listen in to the conversation this is a group of people who feel that it’s safe to let their hair down. Every group has a public discourse and a private discourse. We are listening in on a private Muslim discourse. Ellison says: we share roots with the 350 million people in the Middle East who are getting outweighted in US foreign policy by a country of 7 million, so we have to organize.

And this is where hasbara culture loses the thread. What is the political reality for sympathizers of Palestinians in that room? Why, it is no different from the reality expressed by Secretary of State John Kerry Sunday at the Saban Forum: That after more than 375 phone conversation with Benjamin Netanyahu, and after billions of dollars a year, and complete protection at the U.N, the U.S has little leverage or influence over Israeli bad behavior. And the people in that room, like many reasonable people around the world, believe that the Palestinians are the side of the conflict that needs relief.

The thing that hasbara culture is incapable of doing we must attempt to do: to role-take with Keith Ellison. What is his experience in the world? How much influence does Keith Ellison have in American politics on the Palestinian issue, where most of the world agrees with him, seeing a just cause? The answer is obvious: Ellison operates within an Orwellian political reality in which the Israeli “occupation” was too controversial for either political party’s platform this past election. His is a world where in the past few months he is the second influential black congressman to be “spied” upon: making a statement when he was completely oblivious to what hasbara culture deems to be “tropes” that are the subject of its holy war.

I’ve shown the hysteria in hasbara culture caused by the use of the word “termites” by Rep. Hank Johnson to describe settlement construction during a panel at the Democratic convention. Sadly, the reputations of Rep. Hank Johnson of Georgia and Rep. Keith Ellison of Minnesota will not soon recover from ADL accusations of anti-Semitism.

It is worth emphasizing here that hasbara culture is not about people, it is not concerned with actual human beings. Hasbara culture is not even concerned with Jews or even with the state of Israel. Hasbara culture is a “social construction of reality” and its greatest concern is to propagate a self-serving ethnocentric narrative that is generated by an extremely ethno-centric Jewish experience of the world. To hasbara culture that social construction of reality is sacred. And it has been my project to show how this narrative has hardened into a reality for anyone who participates in our political life; and statements that create cognitive dissonance for that reality are treated as anti-Semitism.

So even if Keith Ellison were to repeat the exact words of a J Street critique of the “special relationship” in that recording, Hasbara Culture would come away thinking Ellison hates Jews. Because Greenblatt is so ethnocentric he experiences Ellison’s (accurate) vantage point about the place of Israel in American culture and politics as–  fixated with Jews.

What chutzpah this Greenblatt has! He listens in on people talking privately, and he doesn’t like what

His words imply

and

Additionally, whether intentional or not, his words raise the specter of age-old stereotypes about Jewish control of our government.

Greenblatt isn’t claiming Ellison said something untrue! Just that his statements create cognitive dissonance in the reality he’s constructed.

Think how Orwellian hasbara culture is. He would like Muslims who are sympathetic with Palestinians talking amongst themselves to be mindful of what the conversation “implies” if Jonathan Greenblatt were sitting there.

Maybe Greenblatt & the ADL shouldn’t listen in on that Muslim conversation. How about the ADL just let Ellison be. He didn’t make this audio public. The ADL is the one spreading this story. And as for that conversation, Keith Ellison didn’t “imply” anything to the people in the room: he wasn’t hinting at some hidden meaning. Every person in that room has their own idea of why the US/Israeli relationship is as lopsided as it is. Just like non-Muslims and even Jews who pay attention to the subject have their own theories; because let’s not fool ourselves, it is a mystery to everyone. No one will overhear a conspiracy theory in that recording, about how Jews control America, no matter how many times you listen to it.

And I’m also willing to bet that whatever the truth is of the puzzle of the US/Israel special relationship, it’s much closer to what people in that  room thinks than the story that the ADL demands everyone repeat lest they be labeled an anti-Semite.

Realize that this audiotape tells us nothing new about the man Keith Ellison is. We know who the person Keith Ellison is. The Jewish people who know him best are unanimous he is a “Muslim peacenik” as JJ Goldberg in the Forward called him. Others chimed in:

J Street agrees:

More:

 

J Street called it a witch hunt.

Here is another Israel supporter supporting Ellison:

Seidemann calls out hasbara culture:

Does it make sense that the ADL’s concern is really anti-Semitism? If that were the case, why wouldn’t they just let Keith Ellison and his 2010 Muslim fundraiser be? Does it make any sense that if you’re concerned about people ‘implying” things about Jewish power, you exercise the most intrusive cultural, moral, and political power against those people?

Look how stacked the deck already is against a discourse sympathetic to Palestinians:

It goes without saying that the ADL and Jonathan Greenblatt in the midst of their “world without hate” campaign did not ask Horowitz for “contrition” after that tweet. No: in hasbara culture reality it feels perfectly right that David Horowitz’s sentiments are “understandable” and not morally objectionable. But be very careful what Jonathan Greenblatt will say about you if you merely “imply” something that makes him uncomfortable.

Isn’t it self evident that the cure is worse than the disease? Greenblatt is doing a bang-up job showing Jews don’t wield excessive power in this country. How? By wielding excessive power.

JJ Goldberg reaches the obvious conclusion:

“If the campaign were to succeed at this point, it would be easy to make the case that “the Jews” had blocked the advance of an African American and a Muslim to a deserved leadership post. That would likely stir resentment and reinforce those old rumors about Jews controlling American politics by bullying and strong-arming whoever we don’t like.”

In closing I would caution Jonathan Greenblatt to contemplate his own words:

“Jewish power is like a muscle. If you exercise it right you build it up, if you abuse it, you destroy it.”

Jonathan Greenblatt needs to realize that attempting to destroy politicians’ political careers and reputations on the altar of hasbara culture and Jewish political power is actually toxic for the American Jewish community and real living American Jews and non-Jews.

About Yakov Hirsch

Yakov Hirsch is a professional poker player and dog trainer. His twitter handle is @Yakovhirsch and his articles are posted at yakovhirsch.com.

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  1. Mooser
    December 6, 2016, 1:52 pm

    “It isn’t easy. You may ask, why do we stay up there if it’s so dangerous? We stay because America is our home… And how do we keep our balance? That I can tell you
    in one word… Contrition.”

  2. Donald Johnson
    December 6, 2016, 6:10 pm

    The interesting thing about Greenblatt is that he said he would register as a Muslim if Trump pushed that policy. So he’s a good guy except when Israel come up and then he turns into a bigot. So that’s what you call hasbara culture. Mooser calls it ziocaine.

    This has been a great series, Yakov. With more to come.

    • Yakov Hirsch
      December 6, 2016, 7:00 pm

      Thanks Donald. I agree if Greenblatt was looking to do Muslim favors, they prefer he just leave Ellison alone rather than promise to “register” as Muslim if it came to that.

      Also “Mooser calls it ziocaine.”
      Hope this doesn’t hurt Mooser’s feelings, if he happens to come across this comment of mine, but “ziocaine” not his best work IMHO.

      • echinococcus
        December 6, 2016, 8:29 pm

        You should talk. What drug have you invented and introduced successfully on the market? Ziocaine is the best anesthetic, not only a local anesthetic as the name would suggest but a surprisingly general, nay global one that reaches everywhere and never fails to work. With it, one just forgets all the pain of the world except the one one is professionally supposed to whine about.

        Fleming for penicillin and Mooser for Ziocaine. Remember these two names.

      • Mooser
        December 6, 2016, 10:50 pm

        “but “ziocaine” not his best work IMHO.”

        Yup, it was one big cock-up. I did screw it up. My original (and quite erroneous) etiological theory was wrong, a dead end, but the idea that “ziocaine” was some kind of drug or dopamine-like compound became ensconced. And that proved to be false
        For what it’s worth, the correct appellation is “The Ziocaine Syndrome”. It’s a behavioral syndrome.

        But Mr. Hirsch’s work on Hasbara culture is a grand synthesis which makes my puerile observations obsolete, passe, nye kulturny strictly L7, and old hat. Yakov is seeing the forest, whereas I was barking up the wrong tree.

      • Mooser
        December 6, 2016, 11:19 pm

        And he published first, too . I’m content to be a speed-bump on the road to knowledge.

      • Donald Johnson
        December 6, 2016, 11:29 pm

        Well, it’s a quip, not an analysis like what you do. But I took his underlying point to be that the ideology does funny things to people’s thinking.

        The NYT did a story today about Muslims and Jews allying against possible persecution by Trump. So you’d have to ask various American Muslims what they think of Greenblatt. I think Greenblatt is probably sincere up to a point– the point is precisely where Israel is involved. Then he joins the bigots. The need to defend his view of Israel outweighs his liberalism.

      • Keith
        December 7, 2016, 10:57 am

        DONALD- “But I took his underlying point to be that the ideology does funny things to people’s thinking.”

        That, after all, is the primary purpose of ideology, is it not? To give the group members a structured and coherent group basis for interpreting reality which tends to harmonize reality perception among the membership? Which, in turn, guides group activity in implementing group goal seeking activity? All ideologies misrepresent empirical reality to some degree, some more than others.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 7, 2016, 11:44 am

        True, Keith, but most ideologies are Financial or political and not bound up with the core identity of people as Zionism is. It’s closest in that respect to a cult. Israelis have to be educated in the cult because without the memes they do not know they are. And it is a zero sum game. If they recognise Palestinian rights they are diminished.

      • Keith
        December 7, 2016, 4:48 pm

        MAGHLAWATAN- “True, Keith, but most ideologies are Financial or political and not bound up with the core identity of people as Zionism is.”

        And what is religion if not an ideology with a godhead? Religion’s staying power is due to the fact that it deals with the metaphysical world, hence, non-falsifiable. All ideologies touch upon the core identity of the believers, some more than others. And according to Israel Shahak, Zionism is a return to a secularized Classical Judaism. I am not denying the fundamentalist nature of Zionism, merely that it is not unique in that respect.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 7, 2016, 6:09 pm

        Zionism is a secular as well as religious identity. Most people have separate secular and religious identities. Zionists have an identity that was written on the back of a fag packet. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so murderous. Israelis have nothing in common other than their fake identity. Yes, Yossi, nothing important ever happened in Galut.

  3. Annie Robbins
    December 6, 2016, 11:06 pm

    another excellent article yakov, my only disappointment was this:

    His is a world where in the past few months he is the second influential black congressman to be “spied” upon

    how could you forget former florida state senator dwight bullard. a beloved senator from florida, and community activist, who has spent a decade serving his constituents as well as chairman of maimi-dade dem party. and somebody “spied” on him and made a big case about the history of one of his tour guides when he traveled to palestine/israel with the dream defenders last year. this was ostensibly the reason given for calling him a terrorist supporter although the real reason was he initially voted against the anti bds legislation although he did comply and caved at the end.

    the adl was “very troubled” http://florida.adl.org/news/pr-adl-deeply-troubled-by-reports-of-state-senator-going-on-israel-trip-guided-by-person-affiliated-with-terrorist-organization/

    anyway, there have been 2 articles written about him published here very recently:

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/11/lynching-dwight-bullard/

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/11/bullard-opposed-measure/

    also, both of bullard’s parents were legislators, his family has been representing florida for over 3 decades, until the last election that is. he’s running for florida dem chair right now, and there are threats to cut off funding for florida dems if he wins the nomination. DWS told him his political career was over.

    it was hideous the way they went after him. hideous.

    • Yakov Hirsch
      December 7, 2016, 6:32 pm

      Annie Robbins December 6, 2016, 11:06 pm
      another excellent article yakov, my only disappointment was this…
      “how could you forget former florida state senator dwight bullard.”

      Thanks Annie. But between poker hands and dogs barking, mine and others, up right and wrong trees, i unfortunately left some important stuff out, like the Dwight Bullard case.

      • Mooser
        December 7, 2016, 7:28 pm

        “But between poker hands and dogs barking,”

        And C M Coolidge hissing from behind the easel “Can’t you keep those mutts still? And tell the Doberman not to chew the chips!”

      • Annie Robbins
        December 8, 2016, 11:33 am

        i found out about those poker hands w/a little googling around the other day yakov. impressive. ok, you’re excused ;)

    • Yakov Hirsch
      December 7, 2016, 6:44 pm

      Mooser December 6, 2016, 10:50 pm
      “but “ziocaine” not his best work IMHO”

      ” Yup, it was one big cock-up. I did screw it up. My original (and quite erroneous) etiological theory was wrong, a dead end, but the idea that “ziocaine” was some kind of drug or dopamine-like compound became ensconced. And that proved to be false For what it’s worth, the correct appellation is “The Ziocaine Syndrome”. It’s a behavioral syndrome.”

      Mooser, i take it all back. I had “ziocaine” all wrong. After reading the way you describe it here,
      my new thinking is our book “Hasbara culture Ziocaine Syndrome” is going to give me more than an ample bankroll to get back to the casino and gambling.

      • Mooser
        December 7, 2016, 7:02 pm

        Although I’m sorry, terribly sorry the ‘drug hypothesis’ gained popular currency, the name arose when early researchers (consisting of four-out-of-five dentists who chew gum) noticed an alarming resemblance to the type of character degeneration incurred by chronic abusers of alcohol and cocaine. The conclusion; “These guys must be on something!” was natural. So the name stuck.

  4. yonah fredman
    December 6, 2016, 11:16 pm

    The phrase “spied upon” is silly. If you’re talking in public, it’s fair game. Period. Whether you are Dennis ross talking at a temple or Keith Ellison talking to muslims.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 7, 2016, 4:06 pm

      you thinking it’s fair game doesn’t debunk they were spied on.

    • Yakov Hirsch
      December 7, 2016, 6:20 pm

      yonah fredman
      December 6, 2016, 11:16 pm
      “The phrase “spied upon” is silly. If you’re talking in public, it’s fair game. Period. Whether you are Dennis ross talking at a temple or Keith Ellison talking to muslims.”

      Yonah maybe you’re right “spied upon” not the best term. But for the record I was trying to be fair. I came up with that phrase when searching my mind for how the ADL would describe the Ellison situation if the galosh was on the other foot. I know it’s hard for us to imagine that world Yonah, and that’s likely why I got “spied upon” wrong.
      But suppose “new information” like old audio recordings would too often materialize, just as a Jewish politician, is getting close to some real power and influence. Say a recording turned up of Chuck Schumer saying the word “shvartzer” 30 years ago. And now his minority leader of the Senate position imperiled. Why? Because the NAACP found it “disqualifying.” Or if the “Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee,” would habitually put out statements looking for “elaboration” and maybe some contrition too over Jewish behavior. Again I can imagine Chuck Schumer’s “Hashem actually gave me that name,” might get their attention and warrant clarification from that Arab-American perspective.
      Jonah, that was the upside-down world I was imagining when I chose “spied upon.” And that’s where I went wrong. My mistake was I thought Greenblatt statements on the subject would be along the lines of, “Jewish politicians feel spied upon.” But maybe you indeed have a better imagination than me. In that world, Greenblatt’s position might very well be, as you see it, that politicians, Jewish or not, are “fair game,” as long as long as the implied, and other disqualifying talk “in public.”

      • yonah fredman
        December 8, 2016, 2:20 am

        Yakov or jacob or Jake or yankel,
        In this age of wiki leaks and tapes about grabbing pussy that you would call a tape recording of a speech in front of tens or hundreds of people spying makes you quaint silly or considering this Web site’s habits, hypocritical, but no matter. You are saying that the specific wording is besides the point, the gist is your opposition to greenblatt disqualifying ellison.

        People who know ellison , for example: schumer, michele goldberg, j street and ellison’s Minneapolis constituents vouch for him and so I do not oppose him.

        Like chemi shalev I found the statements from 2010 innocuous and thus greenblatt’s use of this super sensitive language plus “disqualifying” was worthy of skewering. Like chemi shalev I find ellison’s long association with farrakhan more troubling. Politicians have a difficult job backing all sorts of things they don’t believe in, I scratch your back and you scratch mine, and in the case of ellison, he was willing to tie his name to farrakhan until he was seeking office, so where does that leave me, who thinks that farrakhan and David duke are twins. It means that ellison is a politician,trying to satisfy varying constituencies at different times, a dealmaker.

        Then I saw his reichstag fire comment. Man, what’s wrong with this guy, I thought. Maybe he likes being liked too much or something. He was a new congressman at the time and he apologized, but golly gee willikers , if you can’t figure out how to keep references to the reichstag fire out of your mouth when there’s a camera pointed right at you, you might as well boast about grabbing them by the pussy.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 8, 2016, 4:44 am

        he said after the reichstag fire they blamed the communists for it and they could basically have authority to do whatever they wanted. and remember 9/11, you had never had all this [kind of] discrimination against minorities (except we did after pearl harbor). he said 9/11 was this juggernaut in american history (as was the reichstag fire, for germany).

        so what’s the problem? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

        Adolf Hitler, who had been sworn in as Chancellor of Germany on 30 January, urged President Paul von Hindenburg to pass an emergency decree to suspend civil liberties in order to counter the ruthless confrontation of the Communist Party of Germany.[2] After passing the decree, the government instituted mass arrests of communists, including all of the Communist Party parliamentary delegates. With their bitter rival communists gone and their seats empty, the Nazi Party went from being a plurality party to the majority, thus enabling Hitler to consolidate his power.

        after 9/11 an emergency decree (the patriot act) “suspended civil liberties in order to counter the ruthless confrontation of” the ‘terrorist sympathizers’ (american muslims). After passing the decree, the government instituted surveillance and many arrests of american arabs and muslims.

        so what exactly is your problem w/his reference yonah. are you denying any commonality?

        The responsibility for the Reichstag fire remains an ongoing topic of debate and research.[3][4] Historians disagree as to whether van der Lubbe acted alone, as he said, to protest the condition of the German working class. The Nazis accused the Comintern of the act. Some historians endorse the theory, proposed by the Communist Party, that the arson was planned and ordered by the Nazis as a false flag operation.[5]

        sounds very similar to me. or maybe you do not recognize the discriminations perpetrated against arabs and muslims and the million dead iraqis as well as untold numbers of innocent dead afghanis as a result of 9/11. or is it just too weird for you comparing similarities between the targeting/victim status of jews and arabs?

        or maybe you don’t recognize the responsibility for 9/11 (like the reichstag fire) remains an ongoing topic of debate and research.

        why should he keep the reichstag fire out of his mouth? is it only in your domain or something? or do you think 9/11, unlike the reichstag fire, is settled fact?

      • yonah fredman
        December 8, 2016, 11:03 am

        Reichstag fire is shorthand for 9/11 was an inside job done for nefarious purposes by the Bush administration. Something I expect here from the likes of you, not in a congressman, who is saner than Cynthia McKinney.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 8, 2016, 11:57 am

        you might have a point had he said Reichstag fire is shorthand for 9/11, but he didn’t. he called 9/11 the juggernaut. he said you wouldn’t have all the discrimination against minorities but for 9/11. he specifically referenced an event that was used as a catalyst by the state in which to legalize discrimination of minorities, which is the truth. and even wiki says the Reichstag fire remains an ongoing topic of debate and that historians disagree whether it was an inside job/false flag — which is definitely how 9/11 will be remembered (“ongoing topic of debate” — because it is not an isolated few fringe who do not ascribe to the official story reported immediately after the event).

        unless you can establish that ellison was speaking in code and not referencing the point in which he was trying to make, a point that is indisputable (the targeting of american muslims and american arabs which began after 9/11), you’re barking up the wrong tree — not just “the likes of” me and Cynthia McKinney, but j street, chuck schumer bernie sanders, and any rational person without an ax to grind to take him down can hear exactly what he was saying.

        btw yonah, at a minimum, are you going to even recognize the discriminations perpetrated against arabs and muslims in our country because of 9/11? whether you agree with that or not, the spying in mosques and the framing of certain people by the fbi, and the untold burdens placed on one segment of our society after that event, or are you going to sweep that all under the rug? what about the millions of dead iraqis, that event being used to bring the US to make war on another country with no association to 9/11? do you even recognize that burden?

      • yonah fredman
        December 8, 2016, 12:28 pm

        I hereby condemn the anti arab and anti muslim policies and reactions stirred by 9/11. I do not think it is easy for a free society to react with discipline to such an event.

        As far as ellison goes, you are accurate, he did not say “9/11 was an inside job.” But the use of the reichstag fire as an example of a juggernaut event used to suppress freedoms is insufficient cause to reference the 1933 event, when the event is famous for its false flag aspect. If ellison thought no inference of false flag could be discerned from the reference, he is stupid. But he is not stupid. He inferred it without saying it. Again, something de rigeur here on mw, but decidedly dicey coming from a congressman.

      • yonah fredman
        December 8, 2016, 1:14 pm

        I think I confused infer and imply. My apologies to the English language and its fans.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 8, 2016, 2:13 pm

        ok, and 9/11 is also “famous for its false flag aspect.” it was a “pearl harbor” event pnac had discussed to get us into war with iraq, which was heavily lobbied for. is this even in dispute? or don’t you recognize the polls reveal 1/2 of americans think it was an inside job or cover up?

        https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/109642-do-you-believe-9-11-was-an-inside-job

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_about_9/11_conspiracy_theories

        The summary of the poll noted that “Though people with greater education generally have greater exposure to news, those with greater education are only slightly more likely to attribute 9/11 to al Qaeda.” Steven Kull, director of WorldPublicOpinion.org, commented “It does not appear that these beliefs can simply be attributed to a lack of exposure to information.”[2] Of those who said the United States was the perpetrator, Kull says many believe it was an attempt to justify an impending U.S. invasion of Iraq.[3]..

        Zogby International….

        The first one was conducted in late August 2004 on 808 randomly selected residents of New York State. It found that 49 percent of New York City residents and 41 percent of New York state citizens believe individuals within the U.S. government “knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act.”[4] The margin of error for this poll was 3.5 percent.

        The second major Zogby poll on 9/11 was conducted in May 2006…..Responses: 48% No Cover-up / 42% Cover-up / 10% Not sure

        it launched the war on terror. i’m not sure how anyone could argue how, like the reichstag fire, it is not “famous for its false flag aspect,” if 1/2 americans (including educated people) think it was an inside job/cover up. but regardless what one thinks it was used by the powers to discriminate against an american minority and to launch a long war. so i think his point is valid and the comparison is too.

        I do not think it is easy for a free society to react with discipline to such an event.

        especially when the msm, fbi, cia and government throws their weight behind that demonization, especially when our “allies” are saying the event is good for them, especially when anti muslim hate groups spring up like wildflowers after a spring rain. especially when strong lobbies are advocating for war, muslims are targeted by those kinds of groups — the same kind of groups targeting ellison right now. so who are you going to be influence by, those groups who promote discord in our society? or the more “disciplined” americans?

      • RoHa
        December 8, 2016, 5:59 pm

        On behalf of the English language, apology accepted.

        And, yes, it was you who inferred it. Ellison may or may not have implied it.

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2016, 11:59 am

        “On behalf of the English language, apology accepted.”

        “Yonah” is not a fan of the English language. It just doesn’t have the je ne sais pas of Modren Herbew.

      • RoHa
        December 9, 2016, 8:27 pm

        ““Yonah” is not a fan of the English language.”

        I’ve noticed. But the apology was a touch of grace that deserved acknowledgement.

  5. JLewisDickerson
    December 7, 2016, 1:20 am

    MY COMMENT: I’m fairly certain I recall recently reading that Haim Saban is a major donor to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).

    ALSO SEE: “Fire Foxman” | by Joey Kurtzman | Jewcy.com | July 8, 2007

    [EXCERPT] . . . What’s surprising is how unabashedly forthright Abraham Foxman has become about what motivates him and his institution. In October of 2005, Foxman addressed a classroom of Jewish students at New York University. Young heads nodded and brows furrowed as Foxman riled them with his customary rhetoric: Isn’t it antisemitic for pro-Palestinian groups to seek divestment only from Israel, ignoring the far greater crimes of regimes like Sudan or North Korea? How do we describe this sort of selective flagellation of the world’s only Jewish state, if not as antisemitism? “

    What if the campus Free Tibet club campaigned for divestment from China? Would that be anti-Chinese bigotry?” asked Asaf Shtull-Trauring, a 20-year-old student and conscientious objector from the Israeli army.

    Of course not, answered Foxman, but it was preposterous to compare the two conflicts, what with the Jews’ experience of two millennia of murderous persecution. Shtull-Trauring responded with two questions: Did Foxman mean that selective treatment is okay so long as it’s not directed at Jews? And where did the Anti-Defamation League get off telling Jewish university students which opinions about Israel were acceptable and which verboten?

    The dialogue spiraled into a confrontation. Shtull-Trauring says Foxman, frustrated and under attack, placed his cards on the table, angrily retorting: “I don’t represent you nor the Jewish community! I represent the donors.”

    Foxman’s outburst was surprising not because of its content, but because of its candor. Foxman needn’t bother himself with the trifling concerns of American Jews who happen not to be multimillionaire philanthropists. If he makes the Jewish community less appealing to young Jews, if his theatrics turn us off and turn us away, that’s all beside the point. Foxman’s job is to keep the millionaire benefactors happy: the rest of us can go jump in the Kinneret.

    Without a meaningful mission to pursue, the ADL has resorted to scaremongering to fill its coffers and justify its existence. These efforts have grown increasingly bizarre and damaging. . .

    ENTIRE POST – http://www.jewcy.com/post/fire_foxman

  6. Maghlawatan
    December 7, 2016, 7:16 am

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/judith-butler-gets-a-taste-of-her-own-politics-1.465861

    “Increasingly, Jewish groups inside and outside Israel are using what can be easily interpreted as bullying tactics to silence their opponents. Israeli policies toward Palestinians, Eritrean refugees and non-Jewish immigrants are morally indefensible; the critiques against these policies will be increasingly strident, and among these critiques some will be worthy, some unworthy. Muzzling critiques, even the unworthy ones, cannot be a valid response. In fact, it only proves the main point of the critiques, namely that Israel and the people supporting Israel are increasingly relying on undemocratic politics and tactics”

    1. traintosiberia says:
    July 4, 2012 at 11:12 am

    “Finklestein’s forced departure from De paul, removal of Obama’s muslim supporter from visibility,refusal to allow Desmond Tutu to speak in the college of Minnesota,and at the American Psychiatric conference of 2011,stopping the publication of book critical of Israel in France and attempt to do so in USA ( the book by University of Michigan faculty and the book by Mersheimer and Walt),removal of Sanchez from CNN and hounding out of Sylvia Nasr from CNN, use of vertically integrated McArthismesque tactics to get Helen Thomas combined with similar transatlantic success in England (against a number of MPs and party officers ) and in Germany ( against Gunter ) show that the poisoned ,effective successful influences over media,academy,educational events,politics,and governments ( ? anything left) of the lobby has driven a knife in the very essence of western society and in the ideas of human choices based on information.
    This has become possible for the discussion and decision over Isarel-Arab were always kept out of the view of the public and forced inaction from the citizen.
    This is why in today’s NYTimes Tom Friedman writes that Jewish were always focused on vertical rather than transverse participation in any society,always suspicious of common people . Interestingly same reason was offered and supported by the late father of PM Nethanyhoo in the book “Inquisition””

  7. AddictionMyth
    December 7, 2016, 10:22 am

    Anyone catch Rachael Maddow’s interview of him last week (or 2?) on the Maggiano’s scandal? At the very beginning she basically asks him to thank Maggiano for the donation (and rightly so), and he refuses. It’s like he felt entitled to the money. As though they did something wrong. When in fact they clearly apologized and issued extensive statements. It was funny because he was somewhat perplexed by her disappointment – shouldn’t a Jew be happy they were getting more money to fight anti-Semitism? These ingrates will have to learn the hard way.

  8. James Canning
    December 7, 2016, 1:42 pm

    The ADL’s success in suppressing free speech in the US, in matters pertaining to Israel, is the proof of the pudding.

  9. amigo
    December 7, 2016, 3:04 pm

    Here is report from haaretz on Greenblatt,s claims that antisemitism in the USA is at 1930,s level.

    “Clearly referring to Steve Bannon, the controversial former head of Breitbart News who was recently appointed senior counsel to the U.S. president-elect, Greenblatt said: “And now one of the main cheerleaders of this movement will sit in the West Wing, literally down the hall from the Oval Office, in just a few weeks, just steps away from the president’s son-in-law.” Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, is an Orthodox Jew.”Greenblatt

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.757127

    Greenblatt does not tell his audience that Kushner has donated large amounts of money to the illegal squatter project including to some of the most violent of the settler scum.

    “Among organizations and institutions in the West Bank that receive funding from the Kushner family, the leading beneficiary is American Friends of Beit El Yeshiva. Located in one of the more hard-line, ideological settlements, Beit El Yeshiva received $20,000 from the Kushner family in 2013.

    The president of American Friends of Beit El Yeshiva, whose offices are located in Forest Hills, New York, is David Friedman, Trump’s senior adviser on Israel affairs. Friedman, who has served as Trump’s real estate lawyer for the past 15 years and is considered to be very close to the president-elect, has expressed interest in being the next U.S. ambassador to Israel.” Haaretz

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.757127

  10. broadside
    December 7, 2016, 4:05 pm

    ‘Hasbara culture is a “social construction of reality” and its greatest concern is to propagate a self-serving ethnocentric narrative that is generated by an extremely ethno-centric Jewish experience of the world.’

    Indeed. Many years ago was having a discussion w a Jew about this and that, and for whatever reason I brought up croquet, and he cut me off saying something along the lines of, “Ah, yes….croquet. That famous Jewish game.” And I thought that an odd comment, but continued. Then years later (slow on the uptake) it occurred to me (having heard several similar interjections subsequent) why he’d made the comment: this person, and many other Jews, process EVERYTHING through their Jewishness.

    It’s also why so many Jews are so quick to identify themselves as Jews in conversation, often within minutes of your meeting them: if everything is about your Jewishness, it’s all you have to talk about.

    • Mooser
      December 7, 2016, 4:25 pm

      “It’s also why so many Jews are so quick to identify themselves as Jews in conversation, often within minutes of your meeting them”

      Or maybe they are just trying to forestall some really stupid remarks. But it doesn’t always work, as we can see.

      • broadside
        December 7, 2016, 10:43 pm

        In other words, by identifying themselves as Jews, the other person will think, this person’s really smart, better not say anything dumb? That strikes me as kind of racist, there, “Mooser.” Or were you making a joke … on somebody? Like a wheel going so fast it only appears to be going backward, have you outsmarted us all again?

        Funny how you cut the part of my sentence that went: “if everything is about your Jewishness, it’s all you have to talk about.” Don’t really see much of a problem with that. Oh. Okay. I see now what bothered you. I should have said “many” Jews, not “so many Jews.” That’s where I crossed the line. I stand corrected then, and apologize.

        Still, all you’ve demonstrated, again — those posts I’ve gotten — is how really disingenuous you are, and how tribal — certainly the most tribal here. How, after all, could anyone spend so many hours wallowing in Zionism, if it weren’t still talking about the Jews?

      • amigo
        December 8, 2016, 11:51 am

        “Still, all you’ve demonstrated, again — those posts I’ve gotten — is how really disingenuous you are, and how tribal — certainly the most tribal here .” Broadside

        You can,t be serious.Are you suggesting that Mooser is more tribal than , Mayhem/Yonah/dabaker et al.

        I would venture that the casual reader here would assume Mooser is a raving antisemitic self hating Jew –certainly the worst here .Your post would have been a far more credible mea culpa , had you left out the last para.

      • broadside
        December 8, 2016, 1:30 pm

        That’s exactly what I’m saying, amigo. Those you mention — hophmi especially (actually, I don’t think you mentioned him) — they are arguing cerebrally. They don’t believe a word of it, of course, but feel it’s their duty. Every single one of “Mooser’s'” posts that I’ve read has used wordplay (sometimes clever, sometimes ….) to disguise the fact he is responding from the gut. The reason he is so anti-Zionist is because of the damage it’s done his people, his tribe. But don’t you EVER confuse Zionist behavior with Jewish behavior. “Mooser’s” here to stomp on you, 24 hours a day.

      • Mooser
        December 8, 2016, 5:17 pm

        “broadside”, why did you bring up “croquet” instead of “cricket”?

      • broadside
        December 9, 2016, 8:45 am

        I was trying to think of somewhere, anywhere, Jews weren’t the dominant influence, “Mooser.” (But as I say, this was many years ago.)

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2016, 12:36 pm

        “I was trying to think of somewhere, anywhere, Jews weren’t the dominant influence”

        I did not, and would not dare, imply that Jews are the dominating influence in cricket. Cricket has become an international sport, in which some Jews participate.

        And I doubt we are a dominating influence in crab croquets game. Salmon, maybe, but I wouldn’t know.

      • Bumblebye
        December 9, 2016, 9:48 pm

        Mooser, things may change. We have a very talented young professional cricketer locally, don’t think he was even out of his teens when i read about him a few months ago. If he’s good enough and lucky enough to reach the dizzy heights of the national team in a few years time his name will make his background pretty obvious.

      • (((James North)))
        December 9, 2016, 9:56 pm

        Moose: Aron “Ali” Bacher, a Jewish South African, was the captain of their national cricket team back in the late ’60s.

      • Mooser
        December 10, 2016, 12:16 pm

        Oh well now I know what my carefully-crafted links are worth! Nobody clicked it? Try it, it links to “Jewish cricket players”.

        And “Hophmi” as “cerebral”? Ho-Kay!

  11. Citizen
    December 8, 2016, 11:05 am

    Common, quickie self-identification in US common discourse, “I love baby jesus,” or I’m Jewish and…”

  12. gingershot
    December 11, 2016, 4:54 pm

    So the ADL is worried about ‘stereotypes about Jewish power’? – I think this is soon going to be the least of ADL’s worries, and for J Street as well, as we’re going to see real Jewish power undergoing radical changes in short order

    Real-life Jewish power in the US in Israel is experiencing a transformational American President regarding ‘Jewish power’

    Obama’s Transformative Effects on Jewish Power in the US and Israel? – such as stopping stopping Bibi’s in motion attack on Iran in Sept/Oct 2012, stopping Bibi’s Putsch against the US over the Iran Deal, and stopping Israeli Annexation of Palestine?

    Obama’s Transformation of Jewish Political Power/Political Judaism in the US and Israel:
    1-Stopping Israeli Annexation of Palestine
    2-The Dismantling of Israeli Apartheid and the Israeli Lobby
    3-The Dismantling of Political Judaism: The Israel Lobby in the US and Israeli Apartheid

    What the UN Sec Co Resolution against Israel is going to do is STOPPING Jewish power in Israel and beginning the rolling back and dismantling of the Apartheid

    Where does the ADL stand on the Palestine Annexation Law passing in the Knesset and UN Sec Co Resolution against Israel? Thought so…

    Where does J Street stand on the Palestine Annexation Law passing in the Knesset and UN Sec Co Resolution against Israel? Thought so…

    The mice are going to be seperated from the men – there are no Liberal Zionists/Liberal Kahanists.
    Zionism as practiced by it’s Israeli enthusiasts (and they’ve got bells on their toes these days) is Kahanism and Apartheid, and Apartheid is a crime against humanity according to the UN, Geneva, and all international law.

    I want Peter Beinart, Jeffrey Goldberg, David Brooks, Tom Friedman, and the REST of the punditocracy on the record regarding the Palestine Annexation Law passing in the Knesset and the UN Sec Co Resolution against Apartheid Israel – preferably sooner rather than later before they begin extensively coordinating their stories. I want them thinking on their feet, in the midst of the shock and awe

    The Zeitgeist is against Apartheid Israel and the Israel Lobby supporting it.

    The time is ripe for the UN Sec Co Resolution against Israel – the time is ripe for dismantling the Apartheid that will flow from this, as well – these are existential transformational events taking place for Jewish power in the US and Israel.

    Barack Obama is going to be known as a Transformational American President primarily for the Successful 2nd American Revolution of 4-2-16 (The Iran Nuclear Deal Framework) which he has led. And it had everything to do with ‘real Jewish power’ rather than stereotypes

    It’s a Club of 2 – George and Barack, sorry Abe….

    OK that doesn’t sound quite right – let’s call it the big three: ‘George, Barack, and Abe’

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