A Republican plan for peacemaking: ‘break the will’ of the Palestinians and force them to ‘accept defeat’

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While President Donald Trump prepares to make his first trip abroad to Israel where he reportedly will announce his administration’s plan for the creation of a Palestinian state (without East Jerusalem as its capital), some members of his own party are calling for an alternative plan: “Israeli victory, Palestinian defeat.”

This is according to the tagline of the new congressional “Israel Victory Caucus” which was launched on April 27, 2017, at a press conference in the Rayburn House Office Building by co-chairs Rep Bill Johnson (R-OH) and Ron DeSantis (R-FL). Congressmen Keith Rothfus (R-PA), Doug Lamborn (R-CO), and Alex Mooney (R-WV) were also in attendance. The event outlined the key policies the caucus will be advocating for the Trump administration to pursue: moving the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, ending U.S. funding of the Palestinian Authority and UN agencies that give aid to Palestinians, and securing the safety of Israeli settlers living in the occupied Palestinian territory.

Israel should “convince the Palestinians that they have lost,” said the head of the Middle East Forum Daniel Pipes, who spoke at the event.

The caucus says it will not focus on historical compromises or division of territory. Instead, it asks Palestinians to accept Israel’s goals. “Victory means imposing your will on your enemy so that he no longer wants to fight, and I think that’s the essence here,” Pipes said.

“Winning doesn’t mean slaughtering your enemy, but it means imposing your will on your enemy,” he continued.

Pipes is a far right-wing historian who notably insists President Barack Obama is a Muslim. The Southern Poverty Law Center lists him as an “anti-Muslim extremist” and said his Middle East Forum is a “major funder of Muslim-bashers even more radical than himself.”

During the 2016 campaign, Pipes endorsed Senator Ted Cruz, and compared Trump to Italian fascist Benito Mussolini, “If this kind of politics has no precedent at the highest precincts of American politics, it does elsewhere, and it has a name: neo-fascism,” Pipes wrote in April 2016.

Yet once Trump proposed banning Muslims from entering the U.S. in August of last year, Pipes warmed to Trump in an interview with Breitbart, where Pipes and other senior staff at the Middle East Forum have held stints as frequent contributors and are regular guests on its SiriusXM radio program.

Pipes and his think-tank are the brain trust advising Johnson and DeSantis. Both congress members are relatively new to formulating policy points on Middle East peace-making. Johnson told media his first trip to the region was on a Judeo-Christian tour free to U.S. elected officials in 2014 where he said he zip lined “over the Hebron valley” in the West Bank—“that was a scary thing,” he said.

Johnson explains, the caucus views the Israelis and the Palestinians as in a protracted state of “war.” If wars only end when one party becomes the victor, he wants the victor to be Israel.

“Israel has been at war with its immediate neighbors over the right to existence as the nation-state of Israel—the nation-state of the Jewish people—for nearly 70 years, and we believe that Israel has been victorious in this war. And this reality must be recognized,” Johnson said.

After the briefing, asked if he would endorse Trump’s vision for a Palestinian state, Johnson said he and the caucus would be against it, “I do not personally support a two-state solution. At least to the current Palestinian thinking, that is not the end result, that is a means to another solution.”

Johnson added, he was not told by the White House that a deal for a Palestinian state is in the works.

“I haven’t heard that myself from the administration. The only thing I’ve heard from the president is he supports moving the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem,” he said.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas with President Donald Trump, at the While House. (Photo: Reuters)

Yet in the days after Johnson’s group launch, Trump indicated that he may use his May 22, 2017 trip to Israel to announce a new paradigm for U.S. brokered negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians. On May 3, 2017, Trump met with Abbas and the two held a joint press conference. The exchange was warm. Trump said the Israelis and Palestinians get along “beautifully.”

This was followed by a reluctant Netanyahu accepting Trump’s bid for peace talks, albeit not without making a dig at Abbas.

“The President [Trump] is seeking to examine ways of renewing the peace process with the Palestinians. I share in this desire as do the citizens of Israel. We want peace. We are also educating our children for peace. I heard Abu Mazen, who praises terrorists and pays them according to the severity of the murders they committed against Israelis; I heard Abu Mazen say that the Palestinians are also educating their children for peace. I regret that this is simply incorrect,” Netanyahu’s said.

With Netanyahu’s statement indicating he is on board with Trump’s plan, what exactly the Victory Caucus can achieve is likely limited to shaping the rhetoric of the administration.

“Israel is not the problem in the Middle East, Israel is the solution in the Middle East,” representative DeSantis said at the caucus lunch. Adding, Israel is “a diamond in the rough.”

Also speaking at the caucus launch, Gary Lee Bauer, undersecretary of education for Ronald Reagan and a board member of the Emergency Committee for Israel, a group that ran attack ads against Obama as “not pro-Israel” said, “If you see a conflict between barbarism and civilization, you have to rally for civilization.”

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  1. eljay
    May 8, 2017, 3:25 pm

    || … Also speaking at the caucus launch, Gary Lee Bauer, undersecretary of education for Ronald Reagan and a board member of the Emergency Committee for Israel … said, “If you see a conflict between barbarism and civilization, you have to rally for civilization.” ||

    Zionism’s “Jewish State” project represents the barbarity of terrorism, ethnic cleansing, oppression, colonialism, (war) criminality and religion-based supremacism. Mr. Bauer needs to find a better form of “civilization” to root for.

  2. Froggy
    May 8, 2017, 5:10 pm

    Israel should “convince the Palestinians that they have lost,” said the head of the Middle East Forum Daniel Pipes, who spoke at the event.

    The caucus says it will not focus on historical compromises or division of territory. Instead, it asks Palestinians to accept Israel’s goals. “Victory means imposing you will on you enemy so that he no longer wants to fight, and I think that’s the essence here,” Pipes said.

    Yeah. Like THAT’S gonna work ! LOL

    • Maghlawatan
      May 9, 2017, 11:11 am

      Waste of time. What makes me laugh is all the Jewish rhetoric about continuity, dignity and defying the odds. The only way to mahe Israel viable is to deny agency to other people. Judaism turns out to be as grubby as any other cult. Whoda thunk it ? Israel can never be a normal country. Paranoiastan.

  3. Ossinev
    May 8, 2017, 5:15 pm

    Yet more Arslikhan Ziodollar grasping US Congressmen jumping to the front of the queue in support of a single Apartheid Ziostate in Palestine. Of course once it gets through to what limited brains they have that this is what they have enthusiastically promoted and achieved and once the brown stuff hits the fan and Zioland emerges as a full in the face Apartheid reality they will back off at a rate of knots claiming that they were misled , misunderstood ,taken out of context etc. Unfortunately in the 21st Century you simply cannot hide the ugly truth and they have enrolled on a roll call of shame. They will have moral conscientious children and grandchildren who will be ashamed of them and possibly disown them for supporting a South Africa Mark 2.

    Fully deserving of everything that will be coming their way.

  4. oldgeezer
    May 8, 2017, 5:32 pm

    In the adjoining meeting David Duke was hosting a conference entitled Euros Reign where delved into the subject that it was time for blacks, latinos, asians and native americans to accept the simple fact that white europeans had won the race to the top of the ladder and that progress could only be had if the lesser groups accepted their position and abandoned the counter productive notion of equality.

    Being on top means you can do what you want said duke. That is the essence here and we are wasting resources trying to placate the subhumans.

    Pipes… really? Probably one of the nastiest racists to have ever existed. Sheesh

    • Atlantaiconoclast
      May 10, 2017, 2:43 pm

      David Duke said that? He has explicitly said he does not want Whites to dominate other groups. He is not a supremacist. A separatist yes.

      • Mooser
        May 10, 2017, 4:24 pm

        “He is not a supremacist. A separatist yes.”

        ROTFLMSJAO!!! You bet!
        And to prove how not-a-supremacist he is, Mr. Duke has said that non-white people will select the areas of separation, and “white people” will humbly take what is left, simply for the sake of getting away, separate from, non-whites.

        How stupid do you think people are “Atlantaiconoclast”?

      • Atlantaiconoclast
        May 11, 2017, 6:06 pm

        Mooser,

        First, when have I ever called for separatism?
        Second, when have you ever used the word “supremacist” to label a Jew?

        I don’t know what is in Duke’s heart, but I don’t like the double standard of calling him a supremacist, while refusing to call Zionists who favor a Jewish state, populated almost entirely by Jews, supremacists.

        There are Black separatists, and I don’t assume that they want to dominate Whites.

        I do not support forced separatism, nor do I support forced integration. I support freedom of association. Got it? Now please go look in the mirror if you want to see someone with prejudice.

    • Jane Porter
      May 12, 2017, 1:22 pm

      This Pipes is just as stupid as the `Nazis, with their race story…and pretending that Obama
      is Muslim: How is it that he is an historian, doesn’t even know that to be a muslim, you must regularly go to the mosque,and read the Ko-ran, as a jew is a jew if he practice his religion and go to the synagogue, idem for a Catholic, a buddhist……if you don’t practice any religion, you are just a human being. This story of zionism based on a bible story is just as fake as the roman catholic
      crusader story claiming Jerusalem and Palestine because jesus -Christ was born there.
      A land belongs to the people who live there. their stupid idea that Palestine belongs to the jewsis pure rubbish.
      Hitler invaded France saying it was part of Germany because the german tribes, the Franks, when they invaded it, give it their name:kingdom of the FranKs/Frankreich.
      The hebrew tribes like muslim or other semitic tribes belonging to other religions dwelled everywhere in the middle-east and still d,. as the actual borders were made a century ago by European invaders.

  5. oldgeezer
    May 8, 2017, 5:34 pm

    I agree Israel is not the problem in the middle east. Like any region there are many problems. Israel is a major problem in the middle east.

  6. Kay24
    May 8, 2017, 5:43 pm

    The Palestinians have lost already. They have lost years of freedom, thousands of acres of land, farms and olive trees destroyed, they have lost thousands of their people, millions are refugees living in camps, and they have lost all hope.

    What the heck more do these idiotic Republicans want them to loose? It is all about Israel, the occupier, and it’s needs and their pride. To hell with their victims.

    • RoHa
      May 8, 2017, 9:59 pm

      OK. They have already lost a great deal. They admitted defeat when they recognised Israel and suggested the two-state deal. Suppose they go further, and say that they accept that they will never have a state, never have equal rights in Palestine, and will cease all forms of protest or resistance.

      What then?

      (“want them to loose?”
      How can it be so difficult to spell a four letter word?)

      • Kay24
        May 9, 2017, 9:34 am

        You must be the perfect english scholar who never makes a mistake. However your logic is way off in content. I doubt that pipe dream of the zionists will ever materialize, but that will never stop those who are pro occupation from dreaming.

      • Mooser
        May 9, 2017, 11:18 am

        “How can it be so difficult to spell a four letter word?)”

        “RoHa”, the spelling of “lose” and “loose, and “choose” and “chose” is changing. Speaking of that, so is “speech” and “speach”

      • RoHa
        May 9, 2017, 6:18 pm

        It had better stop changing, if it knows what’s good for it.

      • RoHa
        May 9, 2017, 6:25 pm

        Logic? I asked a suppositional question. That the supposition is probably counterfactual does not make it illogical. I would like to know what the Zionist dreamers are dreaming.

        (And I do make mistakes, but seldom with common four letter words. I see that particular word misspelled far too often.)

      • Mooser
        May 10, 2017, 12:09 pm

        “And I do make mistakes, but seldom with common four letter words.”

        “RoHa”, no one will ever dispute your mastery of common four-letter words.

      • Mooser
        May 10, 2017, 4:31 pm

        “It had better stop changing, if it knows what’s good for it.”

        I refuse to be one of those who stands athwart cunning linguists, yelling “Stop!”

      • RoHa
        May 10, 2017, 7:37 pm

        I wish I could claim to be a master. But I have heard true masters use the words in such devastating combinations that I recognise myself as a mere fumbling amateur. I can spell them, though.

  7. yonah fredman
    May 8, 2017, 8:04 pm

    The accepted frame of reference regarding the Israel Palestine issue is the United nations, most specifically resolution 242. That resolution reflected the reaction of the world to the 6 day war. It also reflected the big power confrontation between ussr and USA. It also reflected the reality of the large population of the Arab members of the un and their economic and political relation to much of the world.

    Indeed much has changed since 1967, but certainly the dynamics are not going to change because Daniel pipes declares victory. This is wishing. (Pipes:) I wish the un had never passed 242 and I wish the world followed the lead of the US and I wish the un would fold up its tent and I wish the Arabs and Muslims would concede defeat, so that the imbalance of power between Israel and palestine would reflect the regional balance and not just the local balance.
    But it is a form of arrogance and posturing. Because 242 is so distant and declared dead over and over here at mw and elsewhere, the temptation to replace it with another plan is great and the posturing involved in declaring victory is an attempt to fill the vacuum. A mean spirited and silly attempt to change the dynamic with empty mean words.

  8. Stephen Shenfield
    May 8, 2017, 8:22 pm

    In April 2000 Jenab Tutunji and I co-organized an Israel-Palestine ‘workshop’ at Brown University’s Watson Institute for International Studies. After I made some introductory remarks the Zionist Linda Miller (who had been foisted upon us as a third co-organizer for the sake of ‘balance’) read out a paper analyzing the situation as she saw it. She had not told us in advance that she planned to do this, but what dismayed me the most was the content of the paper. The century-long conflict between Palestinian and Jewish nationalism, she proclaimed, had finally ended with the complete victory of the Jewish side and all that remained was for everyone to take full cognizance of this fact. This seemed to me plain rude to the Palestinians present.

    But above all the thesis was absurd. Here we are, after another 17 years, and there are people still trying to sell the same ‘analysis.’ And I expect they’ll still be at it after another 17 years. What strikes me above all is their evident inability to appreciate the range of possible human reactions to such arrogance. Let us accept, for the sake of argument, that by some ‘objective’ criterion the Palestinians really have been defeated (though I don’t think that is true). Even if many Palestinians do accept defeat, emigrate to Kuwait or Canada or wherever, get on with their lives, and forget about Palestine, there are always going to be enough who react by seeking revenge, and they will have access to sufficient resources to get their revenge, enough to make the Zionist ‘victory’ a pyrrhic one.

    • Mooser
      May 9, 2017, 11:14 am

      “Palestine, there are always going to be enough who react by seeking revenge”

      “Revenge”? Sorta like coming back after more than a thousand years to ‘redeem” the land?

  9. JosephA
    May 9, 2017, 1:06 am

    If it wasn’t so sad and tragic I’d say these sycophants of the modern state of Israel are downright comical.

    • Maghlawatan
      May 10, 2017, 5:00 pm

      They are comical. If Israel is winning why the lobby, why the hasbara? Israel is lost

  10. Richard Keefe
    May 9, 2017, 7:47 am

    “The Southern Poverty Law Center lists him as an “anti-Muslim extremist”

    This is the same SPLC that claims that the largest category of “hate group” in the land is Black and/or Muslim.

    The company counted 201 Black and Black Muslim groups for 2016, which far outnumbers its 130 alleged Klan groups outright, and all of its alleged neo-Nazi, racist skinhead and white nationalist groups by two-to-one, respectively.

    The SPLC claims that the number of number of “hate groups” nationwide grew by 133 between 2014 and 2016. By its own accounting, 80 of those groups, or nearly two-thirds of the increase, came from Black “hate groups.”

    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/black-separatist

    The SPLC also claims that its 101 anti-Muslim “hate groups” pose an existential threat, but nobody in the media seems to believe that the SPLC’s 89 Muslim “hate groups” are even newsworthy. That’s nearly a one-to-one ratio and yet no one is reporting on it.

    http://wp.me/pCLYZ-N9

    If the SPLC are going to be your go-to “experts” then you have to accept ALL of their claims, no matter how patently ridiculous they are.

    • Mooser
      May 9, 2017, 12:19 pm

      “The company counted 201 Black and Black Muslim groups for 2016,”

      No, you did, by multiplying a few groups by every city and town listed, where they may, or may not, have some activity.

      But I don’t get it. Why are you trying to scare us with SPLC’s scrupulous fairness in definition?

  11. Ossinev
    May 9, 2017, 8:11 am

    “We want peace. We are also educating our children for peace”

    Says the Zio Liar in Chief. But meanwhile:

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/disturbing-photos-show-militarization-israeli-children

  12. Elizabeth Block
    May 9, 2017, 9:42 am

    Accepting defeat, accepting the will of Israeli Jews, means disappearing. The Jews want all the land and none of the people. The Palestinians haven’t accepted this for seventy years. They aren’t going to start now.
    Trump seems to think that his negotiating skills, which appear to be those of a bully, will get other people to do what he wants. When was the last time he dealt with people he couldn’t just fire?

  13. Ronald Johnson
    May 9, 2017, 9:52 am

    On the Tuesday before the “Victory Caucus” – on Thursday, Daniel Pipes spoke in Rochester NY, in an endowed lecture series:

    http://www.leonkatzen.org/

    – which was well attended by a mostly senior citizen, credulous, audience. Being there evoked images of earlier demagogues. The video will likely become available on the lecture series website.

    Pipes’ theme, in his writings, dates from 2010, now enjoying a rebirth of tribal sociopathy, under the new rules.

  14. Ronald Johnson
    May 9, 2017, 10:28 am

    Editor, may I withdraw this comment? Upon review, my use of “tribal sociopathy” could be interpreted as a reflection upon Jews, indiscriminately. Not at all what I intend, with Mondoweiss and so many other Jewish opponents of Zionism.

    • Maghlawatan
      May 9, 2017, 11:15 am

      Who is responsible for this car crash? The Parsis? The Is mailis? I am sick of the Jewish community abdicating responsibility for Israel, the junkie cousin with the violent streak.

    • Mooser
      May 9, 2017, 11:50 am

      Ronald, “tribal” (in a loose social sense) might be a very good way to describe Judaism. It has many, many groupings which could be described that way. Way more than ten by now.

  15. Maghlawatan
    May 9, 2017, 11:23 am

    Israel is out of control

    Meanwhile French Jews helped neuter Le Pen.

    http://www.haaretz.com/wwwMobileSite/world-news/europe/.premium-1.787857

    But Zionism is worse than the Front National. Israel is no longer presentable. And nobody does anything.

  16. HarryLaw
    May 9, 2017, 11:39 am

    Alright, suppose the Palestinians said ‘You have won’ now give us the vote, what would happen? Naftali Bennett has the solution….
    My vision is very clear and coherent, the words and deeds must support each other.

    A Palestinian state in Gaza. This already exists, they have an effective government, recognized borders and a military.

    Autonomy in Palestinian Authority areas. It is less than a state but it has a huge degree of self-governance.

    Applying Israeli law on Area C. There are 500,000 Israelis living there and between 70,000 to 100,000 Palestinians. [The Palestinians] would be able to vote for the Knesset and they would represent a 1 percent addition to Israel’s population, which is negligible. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/01/02/qa-with-israeli-minister-with-trump-coming-in-its-time-to-annex-much-of-the-west-bank/#comments

    Bennett’s formula is based on the whole of the West Bank [or Judea and Samerea as Israelis see it] being sovereign Israeli territory for all time [this is, according to him ‘the Land of Israel’ after all. Areas A and B to be administered by the Palestinians, similar to the Bantustans in South Africa. What the delusional Bennett does not admit in this article is that should the Palestinians turn this solution down, they will be forced to accept it.

    • MHughes976
      May 9, 2017, 1:14 pm

      Perhaps something is about to happen, beginning with Bennett’s ‘offer’ and Trump’s 2 statist rhetoric, then Hamas’ new wording, seeking to sound reasonable while rejecting, with objective reason indeed, sovereignty (well, it sounds a bit like sovereignty) only in Gaza. I think it will be important, if this idea does take shape under Trump’s midwifery, to make Western audiences aware that a large chunk of the Palestinian population will continue to exist in disfranchised state in respect of the power that is sovereign over them. At least it will begin to make Israel’s short term intentions clear.

  17. Maghlawatan
    May 9, 2017, 11:50 am

    Which Jewish holiday does this story remind you of? And which ancient despot and enemy of the Jews does the GOP most resemble ?

    Israel is so odious as to be laughable.

  18. Boomer
    May 9, 2017, 1:01 pm

    “Break their will” sounds a lot like Rabin’s “break their bones” policy. I’m not sure which sounds worse. Neither one implies a sincere desire for peace based on respect for the humanity of the other. Neither phrase implies good things about the morality of the person who uses it. It’s sad that our government is controlled by such people. PBS has been showing “The Civil War,” a sobering reminder of where we were, how far we have come, and how far we have yet to go. I wonder when, and if, Israel will start that journey to humanity? I wonder when, and if, the U.S. will stop enabling the oppression of Palestinians?

    http://mondoweiss.net/2010/11/the-real-yitzhak-rabin/

  19. James Canning
    May 9, 2017, 3:48 pm

    Some of these foolish Republicans fail to grasp Israel’s need to end the occupation, for Israel’s own sake.

    • Kay24
      May 9, 2017, 4:30 pm

      Or perhaps they know that they prefer the status quo right now, so that they can steal all the lands their greedy hearts desire, and finally rid the territories of Palestinians. The UN has predicted that by 2020 the territories will be unlivable. The zionists will squat on the livable parts controlling the water, and other resources.

    • Mooser
      May 9, 2017, 7:07 pm

      “Israel’s need to end the occupation, for Israel’s own sake.”

      Israel can’t end the occupation. It is utterly impossible.
      What will Israel do with the settlers, their support through all levels of the IDF, Israel’s political system, Israel’s religious-governmental system, and internationally? How will all that be integrated into non-occupation Israel?

      Israel is the occupation, the occupation is Israel.

    • Maghlawatan
      May 10, 2017, 3:22 am

      Neither the GOP nor the lobbyists in outfits like AIPAC are interested in the welfare of Yossi and Yossita Israeli. It is just a game for sociopaths.
      Israel is in danger and the game continues in DC.

  20. Brewer
    May 9, 2017, 5:29 pm

    What is being totally ignored here is the Nuremberg principle – aggressive War is illegal. It can be argued that, in view of the fact that 250,000 (minimum) Palestinians were driven out of their homes prior to the intervention by the Arab League on 15 May 1948, the so-called “War of Independence” was illegal, there is no doubt that 1967 was blatantly a War of aggression:
    “In June 1967 we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” -Menachem Begin at the National Defense College- 8 August 1982.

    So, declare victory in an illegal War? . For purposes of argument let’s say OK.
    Now what about the International Laws of War:

    Article 49 Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.

    Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

    Nevertheless, the Occupying Power may undertake total or partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. Such evacuations may not involve the displacement of protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory except when for material reasons it is impossible to avoid such displacement. Persons thus evacuated shall be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area in question have ceased.

    The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene, health, safety and nutrition, and that members of the same family are not separated.

    The Protecting Power shall be informed of any transfers and evacuations as soon as they have taken place.

    The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.

    The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.

    It is disconcerting, to say the least, that these so-called “Lawmakers” have such a primitive understanding of Law that they have no idea of the principles that underpin our very civilization. Only in the fantasy world of computer games does winning a War imply “all your base are belong to us”.

    • HarryLaw
      May 10, 2017, 4:38 am

      Brewer, There is a fundamental contradiction written into the UN Charter on the one hand, article 2[1] states; “The organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.” But, on the other hand, Article 23 of the Charter grants five of its Members permanent seats on the Security Council, and Article 27 gives each of them a veto over decisions of the Council. Clearly, all Members are equal, but some Members are more equal than others. Thus all five veto wielding powers the US, UK, France, China and Russia AND their friends are above International law, for all time. So that should all four veto wielding members gang up on the US, the US simply veto’s the Resolution it is then consigned to the memory hole.
      Academic lawyers in their thousands may protest that taking military action against Iraq for instance was illegal because it lacked proper authorisation by the Security Council, but it is of no consequence in the real world when there is no possibility of the UK, or its political leadership, being convicted for taking such action. It is meaningless to describe an action as illegal if there is no expectation that the perpetrator of the action will be convicted by a competent judicial body. In the real world, an action is legal unless a competent judicial body rules that it is illegal. http://www.david-morrison.org.uk/iraq/ags-legal-advice.pdf

      • HarryLaw
        May 10, 2017, 7:36 am

        Just another reminder of Israel’s impunity….

        The council of FIFA, the international soccer association, decided to remove the draft resolution on soccer teams from Israeli settlements from the agenda of its congress.

        Tuesday’s decision was reached by the organization’s council, which convened in Manama, the capital of Bahrain, ahead of the FIFA Congress set to begin on Wednesday. In an official statement, FIFA said that following a discussion of the matter, the FIFA council decided that it would be too early for the congress to make a decision on the issue at this stage. http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/.premium-1.788297
        FIFA Statutes 68 Obligations
        ]2] Recourse to ordinary Courts of Law is prohibited unless specifically provided for.

        83[2] Members and their clubs may not play on the territory of another member without the latters approval. http://resources.fifa.com/mm/Document/AFFederation/Generic/02/78/29/07/FIFAStatutswebEN_Neutral.pdf?t=1461659845938
        Of course the rules also state there should be no political interferance. Which did not stop Netanyahu…
        On Sunday, Haaretz reported that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called Infantino over the weekend, asking him to remove the Palestinian demand to impose sanctions against the six settlement teams from the Congress agenda. An Israeli official said that Netanyahu stressed to the FIFA leader during their roughly half-hour chat that sports and politics shouldn’t mix. “The Palestinian conflict is long term and FIFA isn’t going to solve it,” Netanyahu told Infantino. http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/.premium-1.788297 So they [the FIFA Council] decided to remove the draft resolution on soccer teams from Israeli settlements from the agenda of its congress. Could be another win for Israeli impunity.

  21. Boo
    May 9, 2017, 5:38 pm

    Break their will and force them to accept defeat! Yeah, there’s a plan!

    But of course this is the GOP, so the debacle has to end with a Triumph of the Will!

  22. JLewisDickerson
    May 9, 2017, 8:53 pm

    RE: Israel should “convince the Palestinians that they have lost,” said the head of the Middle East Forum Daniel Pipes, who spoke at the event. The caucus says it will not focus on historical compromises or division of territory. Instead, it asks Palestinians to accept Israel’s goals. “Victory means imposing your will on your enemy so that he no longer wants to fight, and I think that’s the essence here,” Pipes said. “Winning doesn’t mean slaughtering your enemy, but it means imposing your will on your enemy,” he continued.

    MY COMMENT: Likewise, it is time for the U.S. to acknowledge that it has finally lost to the C.S.A. (i.e., the Confederacy), for The South has arisen as promised!
    SUBMIT YANKEES, or suffer the horrendous consequences!
    You can start by returning our great-great-grandmothers’ silverware.
    Then you will pay us Treaty of Versailles-like reparations.
    We fully intend to bleed you Inglourious Basterds dry!
    Consider your empire kaput.

  23. Maghlawatan
    May 10, 2017, 3:25 am

    This concept of the Palestinians losing is interesting. Israel has the weaponry but it is what it has to do to its society to absorb the occupation that makes me wonder who is winning.
    Kids are brainwashed. Jewish values have been abandoned. The country is a pariah.

  24. Maghlawatan
    May 10, 2017, 4:40 am

    Palestinians are patient. They will wait. Zionism will collapse under the weight of its own hypocrisy…..

    Mar 19 2016

    “Member of Turkey’s Ruling Party Faces Dismissal for Wishing Israeli Attack Victims ‘Were All Dead’

              ‘Assurances have been made that action will be taken against this woman,’ Netanyahu says. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemned the “outrageous” tweet on Saturday. Speaking to reporters at the Foreign Ministry’s situation room, Netanyahu said that he had received assurances, presumably by Turkish officials, that action would be taken against the woman. ”

    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.709761

       
    Haaretz    Mar 13, 2016 10:28 PM

    “Chief rabbi tells soldiers to kill Assailants, Not Worry About Court or Chief of Staff

          If a terrorist knows he won’t return alive, that will deter them, Sephardi Chief Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef says, adds that it’s a mitzvah to kill assailants.”

      read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.708648

  25. Atlantaiconoclast
    May 10, 2017, 2:44 pm

    I once emailed Pipes and asked him if he supported transfer of Palestinians and he said no, so it is curious to know what he wants to do with them if they must accept defeat.

    • Mooser
      May 10, 2017, 4:34 pm

      ,” so it is curious to know what he wants to do with them if they must accept defeat.”

      Certainly you must know and approve of what Pipes wants. That good old “separation” you endorse.

      He doesn’t need to be any more supremacist, or specific about it than David Duke does.

  26. Atlantaiconoclast
    May 10, 2017, 2:46 pm

    The only thing that could possibly change the minds of these politicians, other than the threat of a political defeat, is if more Americans knew about Israel’s harm to the US, including its support for Islamic extremists against the Assad regime, and its campaign to get the US to fight its wars.

  27. Maghlawatan
    May 10, 2017, 5:03 pm

    Breaking the will of the Palestinians won’t work. By defining people as trash Israel gives them an identity. This is er the lesson of Jewish history but of course it doesn’t apply to Palestinians.
    Israel is hopeless. They should have stuck speaking Yiddish. A very practical language.

  28. Zara
    May 10, 2017, 8:57 pm

    This is fine with me. One day America will tell Israel that they must pay for the 60 years of interfering in its internal affairs and for the sake of argument let’s just say that began with the attack on the USS Liberty toward the end of the six day war. America will inform them that because of all of the suffering and costs the American people have suffered due to their interference and that of their allies, it is America’s opinion that Israel must cease to exist so that it may never become a nuisance again. America can call it the Carthage approach. Israelo delenda est.

    Ahmedinejad never threatened to wipe Israel off the map. America, once come to it’s senses won’t either. It will just do it.

  29. Maghlawatan
    May 11, 2017, 9:38 am

    A 2016 Bank of Israel report on the ultra Orthodox and the labour force found that despite spending an average 17 years in education the ultra Orthodox only have skills equivalent to TEN YEARS in school. By 2035 Israel will have 13 million people. Around 30% of the workforce will be useless. The largest collection of Shatnez inspectors in the world.

    Boy, boy , boy did the GOP pick the wrong horse

    https://youtu.be/Od6nOg3LpT0

  30. Wisdo
    May 12, 2017, 9:59 am

    …And then what?

    “Israel should “convince the Palestinians that they have lost,” says Pipes. Say this were possible – say Israel totally annexes Jerusalem and all of the West Bank. Now what? Deny them the vote? What are they to be then, slaves? a free people with curtailed rights? are they to be expelled by the million into the desert? to die?

  31. Maghlawatan
    May 13, 2017, 12:27 pm

    Between 2014 and 2016 the Israeli economy grew at 2.5% which is less than the population growth rate..Israel has decided :

    -To run an occupation
    -Not to educate Ultra Orthodox
    -To run neoliberalism with extreme levels of inequality.

    Any one of these would be severely damaging. The 3 together will be lethal

    Ma sha Allah

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