US Jews must oppose Palestinian boycott, but boycott Israel and bring it to its knees over prayer at western wall

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We have closely tracked the divorce proceedings going on between American Jews and Israel; and the decision by the Netanyahu government under pressure from its religious wing not to give access to non-orthodox Jews to pray at the Western Wall is exhibit A. On this issue of Who counts as a Jew, we’re suddenly seeing an open break between largely-liberal American Jewish groups and the Taliban-style government that Netanyahu leads.

American Jewish groups are furious about the decision; the top story on NPR this last hour was that leading Jewish philanthropist Ike Fisher has demanded back $1 million he spent on Israel Bonds. As Isabel Kershner reports at the Times:

A group of Jewish leaders canceled a dinner with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Jerusalem. The president of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the powerful pro-Israel lobby, flew to Jerusalem for an emergency meeting with the prime minister.

The issue is especially piquant for the growing movement of Jews supporting Palestinian rights. Where have all these liberal Jewish institutions been when Palestinians were getting pushed off their land, shot at, and imprisoned?

As Rabbi Brant Rosen asked on his blog yesterday, Why are the religious rights of conservative and Reform Jewish men and women so much more important than Palestinian human rights? Rosen detailed suffering in Gaza, then questioned:

[W]here is the moral outrage in liberal Jewish establishment over these cruel human rights abuses? While I certainly believe in the cause of religious freedom, I find it stunning that so many liberal-minded members of the Jewish community are more concerned with Jewish rights in a Jewish state than the basic human rights of non-Jewish children who live under its control. Such are the sorrows of Jewish political nationalism: even the more “liberal” among us seem only to be able to express that tolerance selectively.

Rosen makes an important point about what Jewish nationalism has done to Jewish political culture: turned all concerns inward.

Those values are expressed directly by Daniel Gordis, a conservative Jew and rightwing Zionist, writing “an open letter to American Jews,” in the Times of Israel. Gordis wants American Jews to get angry about the religious access question– and even boycott El Al airlines– but to keep their mouths shut about the “occupation.”

“Your job, more than anything else, is to help us stay safe and alive.”

Gordis says Israelis don’t care what Americans think about the occupation.

You can call it the “conflict.” You can call it the “occupation.” Whatever…. Your righteous indignation will get you nowhere. Israelis don’t care that you’re insulted.

Because American Jews have nothing at stake:

You don’t have skin in the game. I know you don’t like to hear it, but (with a few exceptions) you and your kids don’t assume the risks that we do. And that matters. Your kids don’t go charging into tunnels risking their lives to protect kibbutzim. You don’t lie awake at night waiting for your soldier-kid to get home from whatever s/he is doing, knowing that the only thing you know is that you can’t protect them – it’s a horrible feeling for a parent, and you’ve never felt it and never will.

This is of course the traditional bargain. Israeli Jews have greater “weight” than American Jews. As Bill Kristol said, who am I to cavalierly criticize Israeli policies on the Upper West Side when there’s no physical risk to me? Stand by your man.

As Gordis reminds us, we have to keep lobbying our government:

American Jews ought to recognize that the State of Israel is by far the most extraordinary Jewish accomplishment of the past 2,000 years, and that it has changed the existential condition of being Jewish everywhere. It also faces existential threats. Your job, more than anything else, is to help us stay safe and alive…. [W]hat you owe the Jewish people is to help us keep the bad guys at bay. Help us make sure that members of Congress understand what Israel is, the values that it shares with American democracy, the fact that the Arabs and then the Palestinians turned down peace offers time and again.

But when it comes to the Western Wall decision, Gordis wants American Jews to use the boycott tool, even to the point of refusing to normalize the Netanyahu government and threatening the existence of Israel’s air line:

I called for American Jews to begin to use the power of their purse. I’m told that American Jewish money flowing to Israel amounts to more than 5% of Israel’s GDP. That’s a huge amount of leverage…. Before the government arrived at an interim solution to the crisis, I proposed that American Jews consider withholding money they give to Israeli hospitals…

If [Netanyahu and his consuls] are part of a coalition that is willing to say that you don’t matter, why would you possibly so much as sit in the same room with them? It’s time for you to be serious. Which is why I thought that the Chicago Federation’s decision to do just that was fabulous….

I also pointed out that just by refusing to fly El Al, American Jews could bring the airline to its knees… El Al is a critical security issue for Israel. No Prime Minister can let it fail, and El Al survives only on the margins. Simply by buying tickets with United or Delta, American Jews can create a huge problem for any Prime Minister.

This is today the peculiar situation of American Jews and Israel. The lobby is essential to Israel’s survival. We are never to deploy that power in criticism of Israeli foreign policy. Even when the country practices Jim Crow across the West Bank and slaughters thousands in Gaza, we should fight the Palestinian-led boycott movement against Israel hammer and tongs. But if American Jews’ freedom to worship at the western wall is compromised, then we should use our boycott power mercilessly.

As Rosen writes, these narrow nationalist values are not liberal. They are why young Jews are so weary of the Jewish establishment. They want a less parochial understanding of what it means to be Jewish in the 21st century.

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  1. AddictionMyth
    July 3, 2017, 4:15 pm

    “Where is the moral outrage in liberal Jewish establishment?”

    Rabbi Rosen answers his own question in this article:

    https://rabbibrant.com/2017/02/19/on-zionisms-marriage-of-convenience-to-anti-semitism/

    “Zionism has had a cozy, if somewhat Faustian relationship with anti-Semitism since its very origins.”

    Think about it. Don’t make me spell it out for you.

  2. yonah fredman
    July 3, 2017, 4:48 pm

    I was quite offended by Gordis’s piece, but to beat up on gordis in front of the crowd gathered in mw comments is not that attractive.
    Clearly the current situation in america, that is the trump presidency, is the foremost danger to democracy in america. when he fires mueller the pressure on republicans to act as if the law means something will mount.
    netanyahu’s policy on the occupied territories is the result of 50 years of evolution, backed up by revisionist ideology and the security doctrine combined. it is of primary concern to most israelis and the offer of turning the west bank into a second hamastan or hezbollah territory is not something most israelis endorse. But , because of the deep penetration of the settler occupancy, an explainable policy regarding a military occupation has been turned into an unexplainable policy of a settler occupation. Nonetheless the Israeli preference for the status quo regarding the west bank is not something that is superficial.
    netanyahu’s policy regarding the kotel compromise has zero to do with the will of the israeli people. it is purely coalition politics. and as such it is vulnerable to a pressure campaign.

    The lack of support of particularly young american jewish opinion regarding israel particularly regarding the west bank is merely a sign of the future abandonment of israel by the democratic party. gordis’s bully pulpit will change no one’s mind. israel will soon be abandoned by the democratic party. but i mean 12 to 28 years. that’s soon to me.

    • yonah fredman
      July 3, 2017, 4:54 pm

      “abandonment of israel” should be in quotes. because i believe that a withdrawal from the west bank is the only means of a long term strengthening of zionism, to me it is a misnomer to refer to opposition to israeli policy as “abandonment”.
      but it has greater rhetorical effect when i say abandonment rather than a modification aimed at saving israel from itself.

    • Mooser
      July 3, 2017, 9:09 pm

      “I was quite offended by Gordis’s piece, but to beat up on gordis in front of the crowd gathered in mw comments is not that attractive.”

      Wow, what a beating Mr. Gordis escaped. He’s a lucky man.

      “netanyahu’s policy on the occupied territories is the result of 50 years of evolution,”

      Ahh, the occupation is an “evolution”. Of course. How clever and foresighted of the Israelis.

      • echinococcus
        July 3, 2017, 11:34 pm

        “netanyahu’s policy on the occupied territories is the result of 50 years of evolution,”

        Ahh, the occupation is an “evolution”.

        Wasn’t the Fredman rather a believer in miraculous creation?

      • Citizen
        July 4, 2017, 1:02 pm

        Hitler too said his movement was an evolution. After all, didn’t the Germans get screwed by Versailles? Not to mention the fall of Wall Street…

    • yonah fredman
      July 4, 2017, 6:42 pm

      in case there are some honest people reading this comments section, who might get the wrong impression based upon the comments of dishonest commentators:

      my use of the word evolution was not meant to designate the settler occupation of the west bank as a positive, but merely to note that it has developed from a simple form to a more complicated form. my main point was that it is an issue that has been widely discussed by the israeli public both jewish and nonjewish and the lines of disagreement on this issue are well known and nearly impossible to hope for a quick persuasion, because it is so deeply a part of the discourse and the history of the last 50 years. whereas the kotel controversy is a superficial issue that really does not matter on a deep level with most of the israeli public. therefore whereas superficial short term pressure would probably succeed regarding the kotel controversy, the type of pressure that might succeed regarding changing opinions on the settler occupation would have to be quite intense and prolonged, because it is not a superficial issue, but one very near the core of concern for most israelis.

      • echinococcus
        July 4, 2017, 7:29 pm

        Yes, Comrade Fredman. It’s evolutive because you were discussing how much you wanted to support theft, occupation and mass murder, on a scale from a tepid and cagey 90% to an enthusiastic 101%.
        We get that at the start already, no need to repeat.

      • Mooser
        July 4, 2017, 7:55 pm

        “in case there are some honest people reading this comments section, who might get the wrong impression based upon the comments of dishonest commentators:”

        Just keep your barrel over the naughty bits, Diogenes, and hope your lamp don’t go out.

      • amigo
        July 4, 2017, 8:07 pm

        ” whereas the kotel controversy is a superficial issue that really does not matter on a deep level with most of the israeli public. therefore whereas superficial short term pressure would probably succeed regarding the kotel controversy, the type of pressure that might succeed regarding changing opinions on the settler occupation would have to be quite intense and prolonged, because it is not a superficial issue, but one very near the core of concern for most israelis.”yf

        For the honest people reading Yonah,s comments !!. One would not want them to think most Israeli (Jews) lose sleep over the Occupation.

        “Most Israeli Jews think there’s no occupation. So what is it?”972

        Depending on who you speak to, the word “occupation” is either the most loaded or the most ignored term in Israel-Palestine. For some, it’s a canard bandied about by traitorous leftists who want nothing more than to destroy the country by smearing it into oblivion; many believe that Israel cannot occupy territory that the bible says was promised by God to Jews; for a dwindling minority, it represents all that is rotten in the State of Israel. And for others, it’s something that happens “over there” which a lot of people seem to make a lot of fuss over, but which has (as far as they’re concerned) little impact on their day-to-day life.

        So it’s perhaps not surprising to read in the latest Peace Index from the Israeli Democracy Institute that 72 percent of Jewish Israelis believe Israel’s control over the Palestinian territories does not constitute occupation — of whom 50 percent are “sure” that Israel is not an occupying power, and 22 percent “think” that it isn’t.”

        https://972mag.com/most-israeli-jews-think-theres-no-occupation-so-what-is-it/119245/

        not sure if you comments are dishonest , but they sure are ill informed.

  3. Keith
    July 3, 2017, 5:28 pm

    “A group of Jewish leaders canceled a dinner with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Jerusalem. The president of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the powerful pro-Israel lobby, flew to Jerusalem for an emergency meeting with the prime minister.” (Isabel Kershner)

    This situation is not without precedent. According to J.J. Goldberg, in 1988 in a sop to the Israeli Orthodox Jews and the US based Lubavitcher Rabbi, a proposed amendment to the Israeli basic law concerning the law of return as applied to (primarily Reform) converts to Judaism, which, for all practical purposes, would have little except symbolic effect, was seen as a declaration of war by the US Jewish establishment. To make a long story short, American organized Jewry mobilized and the proposed amendment to the ISRAELI basic law got stomped into the ground. This has little to do with religious freedom and everything to do with power relationships. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

  4. Keith
    July 3, 2017, 6:16 pm

    PHIL- (Daniel Cordis quote)- “American Jews ought to recognize that the State of Israel is by far the most extraordinary Jewish accomplishment of the past 2,000 years, and that it has changed the existential condition of being Jewish everywhere.”

    This is an incredible statement which could be the basis for extensive discussion. Let us begin by noting that in typical Zionist fashion, Cordis gives short shrift to 2000 years of real Jewish history. The reality is that real Jewish accomplishment during the Diaspora far exceeds anything which occurred prior to the destruction of the second temple. Commenter Yoni Falic has begun to give us a feel for some of this. What was noteworthy about the mythical kingdom of David other than the killing of non-Jews? What is noteworthy about Israel except its ideological appeal to Diaspora Jews?

    Cordis has a point about changing the existential condition of being Jewish. Thanks to Zionism, Jewish assimilation is no longer a threat to their “Jewishness”. Now, instead of visible Jewish tribalism, Zionist based invisible Jewish “kinship” provides the basis for Jewish solidarity, mutual support, and mutual defense against much exaggerated anti-Semitism. And anti-Semitism itself has been redefined to include virtually everything “corrosive” of organized Jewry’s Zionist agenda. And this manufactured kinship and resultant de facto nepotism has worked quite well for the Jewish Zionist elites. Perhaps that is why so many Jewish billionaires support Israel. And I have yet to hear of even one Jewish billionaire who is an anti-Zionist.

  5. Citizen
    July 3, 2017, 6:29 pm

    Some of us American goys are really weary of the Jewish Establishment; we see it as a corruptive force against the American values, humanist values, we were brought up to hold dear.

    • Bont Eastlake
      July 3, 2017, 7:18 pm

      American values like racism, misogyny, homophobia, worship of money and capital were very well established before Jews ever step foot on its soil. The US was founded on slavery and mass genocide for crying out loud!

      You are a racist antisemite who MW should do well to ban. We don’t that sort of toxic mentality here in a community set for the pursuit of justice and liberty for all.

      • Keith
        July 4, 2017, 1:16 am

        BONT EASTLAKE- “You are a racist antisemite who MW should do well to ban.”

        A bit harsh, don’t you think? If Citizen sees actual Jewish Zionist actions as contravening mythological American values, does that make him a Jew hater? Buying in to American exceptionalism is hardly tantamount to anti-Semitism.

        BONT EASTLAKE- “We don’t that sort of toxic mentality here in a community set for the pursuit of justice and liberty for all.”

        There is an intrinsic phoniness to this statement that rubs me the wrong way. What game are you playing, Bont?

      • Emory Riddle
        July 4, 2017, 8:30 am

        Wow. Opposition to “..a corruptive force against the American values, humanist values, we were brought up to hold dear” makes one “..a racist antisemite who MW should do well to ban.”

        That is a perfect glimpse of the Zionist Occupied mind.

      • Paranam Kid
        July 4, 2017, 8:35 am

        Interesting. So you are saying implicitly that the Jews’ values are also racism, misogyny, homophobia, worship of money and capital. Bout Eastlake did not even list those values.

        So, inadvertently, you have shown your real face. You are in fact the big antisemite here, and you don’t even realise it.

      • Bont Eastlake
        July 4, 2017, 9:14 am

        Keith,

        Firstly there is no such thing as a monolithic Jewish establishment working together to corrupt the purity and holiness of American values. Rich and powerful Jews sit alongside all-American white Protestants, agnostics and atheists at the top of the capitalist hierarchy ruling over the poor of any hue and faith. To claim that there is a special class of Jewish only figures controlling and corrupting any aspect of American society is not only unprovable, its a form of hate speech towards Americans of a specific religion.

        Secondly, I think MW is not a place for anything goes type of discussion where anybody can say anything under the flawed conception of free speech. This is still a space for the express pursuit of truth and justice. Making libelous statements targeting an entire demographic group certainly cannot be part of that pursuit and only serve to bring harm to the reputation of the community here.

      • gamal
        July 4, 2017, 9:15 am

        “There is an intrinsic phoniness to this statement that rubs me the wrong way.”

        let me arrange my surgically enhanced breasts, tie up my peroxide blonde locks, i will wear the green contact lenses today, dab a little powder on to my botulized brows, my 6ft member, impressive as it is, of course no longer works but it excites many admiring comments,

        really “phoniness” is the core of Americana,

        Bont is a perfect rightwing caricature of a “leftist”, its the “we” that makes me laugh while it seeks to sow division and confusion, its revolution the TV series,

        what a miserable insult to intelligence its whole schtick is, its a sign of ideological exhaustion and the very definition of bad faith.

      • Bont Eastlake
        July 4, 2017, 10:10 am

        Gamal,

        With all due respect, intellectual exhaustion is what drives people to repeat decades old antisemitic canards like an all-powerful, Jewish establishment running a virtouse America to the ground.

        I find it both funny and depressing, that every time left-wing activists pursue actual left-wing politics we are labelled as caricatures. I guess anything left of the ideals of Disney cartoons are too extreme for some.

      • Keith
        July 4, 2017, 10:45 am

        BONT EASTLAKE- “Firstly there is no such thing as a monolithic Jewish establishment working together to corrupt the purity and holiness of American values.”

        Funny, I don’t see the word “monolithic” in Citizen’s comment, do you? Or are you putting words in his mouth? As for the “Jewish establishment,” I assume that Citizen is referring to organized American Jewry as represented by the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, and other visible Jewish Zionist organizations. It seems to me only natural that when a group’s power and influence is both outsized and visible, that, right or wrong, a certain accountability will be inferred. I consider the workings and distribution of power within the political economy to ALWAYS be a legitimate topic for discussion.

        As for organized Zionist Jewry being a corrupting force on American values, I disagree. American values, as indicated by American actions, have been corrupt for much longer than Zionist Jews have been influential. In fact, Zionist Jews share most of the corrupt values of a corrupt empire. But to be swayed by the mythology of America the good is hardly tantamount to anti-Semitism, and to hold the neocons and other influential Zionist Jews responsible for the rather obvious deviation from myth-history is wrong, yet understandable. Hardly a hanging offense.

        BONT EASTLAKE- “Secondly, I think MW is not a place for anything goes type of discussion where anybody can say anything under the flawed conception of free speech.”

        Let us begin by noting that your hyper ingratiating comment concerning the Mondoweiss community pursuing “justice and liberty for all,” is on a par with the mythology of America as the shining city on the hill. There are a helluva lot worse things said on Mondoweiss than Citizen’s comment which was a good faith lament about neocon/Zionist outsized influence. Yet, to have a discussion, a certain latitude is required. Self-righteous calls for censorship are not the answer. I have been called a lot of names on Mondoweiss, my opinions distorted and words put in my mouth, yet I have NEVER called for another commenter to be banned. Control of the bounds of discussion is in the hands of the moderators who, by and large, do a reasonably good job. Put your faith in the Mondoweiss administration and stop the grandstanding.

      • amigo
        July 4, 2017, 12:20 pm

        “Interesting. So you are saying implicitly that the Jews’ values are also racism, misogyny, homophobia, worship of money and capital. Bout Eastlake did not even list those values.”Panama Kid.

        You might want to read that post again.Those were the exact words used by Bont Eastlake and not Citizen.

        “So, inadvertently, you have shown your real face. You are in fact the big antisemite here, and you don’t even realise it.” Panama Kid.

        So, inadvertently you have shown your real face.You are in fact dishonest and think we do not realise it.

      • Mooser
        July 4, 2017, 1:11 pm

        “the very definition of bad faith.”

        But it seems to be a popular faith, unfortunately. “a4tech” espoused it, and so did “Silamcuz”.

      • Citizen
        July 4, 2017, 1:40 pm

        @ Bont Eastlake

        Apparently you have not been reading Mondoweiss for a long time; it depicts constantly the difference between US democracy and Israel’s “Jewish democracy” upheld in Israel. Accordingly, if USA was like Israel, the US would be declared officially as a “Christian democracy.”

      • Citizen
        July 4, 2017, 2:06 pm

        Are these current like current American law: The Adalah database of 50 discriminatory laws in #Israel http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/database-discriminatory-israel/

        Since the US Civil War in the 1860s and end of the American Indian wars in latter part of the 19th Century, we have seen two world wars, and the international law commencing (at obvious great cost to the world) with Nuremberg and Tokyo Trials, and their Geneva progeny. Even while the Nuremberg Trials were going on, the Zionists were aping the Nazis, which they do down to this day in their internal rhetorical justifications and in their conduct to the full extent Israel can, given more modern telecommunications, especially the internet, which requires Israel to employ less obvious tactics due to PR issues the Nazis did not have to contend with as much in their era.

      • gamal
        July 4, 2017, 3:58 pm

        “to be a popular faith,”

        hey Mooser people often ask me why is the Arab League such utter shit, I tell them because like the Muslim League of India it was set up by the British to be just what it is, fortunately a better informed boy has weighed in, we know who those “Arabs” are in league with

        it’s a popular faith for sure

        https://youtu.be/V8XjODXcGmw

      • Mooser
        July 4, 2017, 4:02 pm

        “Secondly, I think MW is not a place for anything goes type of discussion…”

        “Bont”, what can you do? Good authors, too, who once knew better words, now only use four-letter-words, writing prose.

      • Keith
        July 4, 2017, 5:40 pm

        GAMAL- “hey Mooser people often ask me why is the Arab League such utter shit, I tell them because like the Muslim League of India it was set up by the British to be just what it is….”

        This is an important fact which is often overlooked. Much of what is wrong with the Middle East is a consequence of Western interference in the area. To criticize Middle Eastern Arabs for many of the conditions in the Middle East is to, in effect, hold them accountable for the consequences of WESTERN actions.

      • Bont Eastlake
        July 4, 2017, 8:41 pm

        Citizen,

        America is indeed a Christian-supremacist nation just Israel is Jewish-supremacist and ISIS is Islamosupremacist.

        Historically, millions of people in America were subjected to violence and abuse through the process of forced conversions, especially among the indigenous and enslaved black populations. One of the reasons many blacks and Natives are Christian today is because their ancestors were forcibly converted through acts of pure terror by the early American settlers. Many can’t go back to their ancestral religion because all knowledge of them has been systematically erased leaving them in a constant state of spiritual turmoil.

        Christian imagery, including of course the white, Nordic looking Jesus Christ, saturate every public and private space of the country. Non-Christians were legally barred from immigrating to the country due to discriminatory laws that privileged Christians over non-Christian foreigners. Federal and state level public holidays are directly and indirectly rooted from Christian religious beliefs like Easter, Christmas despite a vast amount of the population not celebrating these. Despite the US claiming itself to be a secular, pluraristic nation the default holidays are undeniably Christian.

        Socially speaking, its cool and accepted to openly profess Christian beliefs and take part in activities based on that faith. Going to church every Sunday, decorating your house for Christmas, wishing strangers Merry Christmas, wearing a crucifix chain or tattoo, quoting Biblical verses and so on.

        But such form of acceptance and normalization are not afforded to other faith like Muslims or Hindus or Sikh. Muslims can’t congregrate for Friday prayers without suspicion and opposition by the mainstream, people can’t wear Turbans or hijabs with the same comfort and safety as wearing those wearing a cross.

        To claim the US is not a Christian-supremacist nation is, objectively speaking, untrue. Not when the influence of Christianity dominate all other faiths in politics, legal system, education, media and social conventions.

      • Bont Eastlake
        July 4, 2017, 11:59 pm

        Keith

        “There are a helluva lot worse things said on Mondoweiss than Citizen’s comment which was a good faith lament about neocon/Zionist outsized influence.”

        Well its one thing for pro-Israeli trolls to spew nonsense anywhere they can to distrupt intellectual discourse from taking place. In their position of absolute moral bankcruptcy, their options are limited and it is to be expected of them to behave in according to their degenerate nature.

        However we cannot uphold the same low-expectations for people speaking on “our side” because it reflects on all of us. If you want to criticize Israel and Zionism, you can choose from an entire library of knowledge to do so. But to stoop to using antisemitic canards is simply unacceptable because it lacks any intellectual rigour or moral basis. In addition, it serves to undermine our entire movement for Palestinian rights and plant seeds of division among our diverse ranks. A recent article by Haaretz further document this distressing trend, linked below.

        – We in the Palestinian Solidarity Movement Have a Problem With anti-Semitism -http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.732735

      • echinococcus
        July 5, 2017, 11:26 am

        Eastlake

        We in the Palestinian Solidarity Movement Have a Problem With anti-Semitism

        signed The Zionist Propaganda Ministry

      • gamal
        July 5, 2017, 11:31 am

        “However we cannot uphold the same low-expectations for people speaking on “our side” because it reflects on all of us. If you want to criticize Israel and Zionism, you can choose from an entire library of knowledge to do so. But to stoop to using antisemitic canards is simply unacceptable because it lacks any intellectual rigour or moral basis. In addition, it serves to undermine our entire movement for Palestinian rights and plant seeds of division among our diverse ranks”

        when you don’t know how to write you end up exposing yourself,

        “because it reflects on all of us” your weird premise

        ” it serves to undermine our entire movement for Palestinian rights and plant seeds of division among our diverse ranks” keep your eyes on the prize

        there it is thats your whole act in a few words, trying to provoke people in to either anti-Islamic rants or accusing people of anti-Semitism, via assertion sans argument needling so no doubt you hope they double down, and you can consign the Palestinian movement to pointless neurotic self examination and bickering, Weir may be the last victory in that game, which you no doubt believe is a leftist tendency,

        lets unite by expelling people onward to victory you subhuman racist filth….

        “low-expectations for people speaking on “our side” ” you think we were born yesterday

        “it lacks any intellectual rigour or moral basis” in that it is not alone, you are way too crude and obvious, your contempt for your audience is palpable.

      • Bont Eastlake
        July 5, 2017, 12:29 pm

        Gamal,

        You seem to be personally fixated in making me someone you want me to be. Someone who is pro-Israel by virtue of demanding (too much?) accountability among his fellow activists in the Palestinian Solidarity Movement.

        In truth, the intrusion of anti-semitic thoughts and talking point within the movement have always been a thorn in our side, as documented by various anti-Zionist groups like American Campaign, The Occupy Movement, Jewish Voices for Peace and so on. In fact one of the main things protestors are often briefed on is protecting themselves from being liable to accusations of antisemitism.

        Its something that we simply do not need when Israels most potent weapon against activist is accusing us as antisemites. Come on, wake up. Nobody is denying existance of AIPAC and how rich Jewish dudes lobby for Israel. If the law permits them to do so, we should be talking about the law not some mysterious Jewish establishment as if white Protestants and evangelicals don’t lobby for Israel too. Sometimes I feel white non-Jews have a bigger hardon for Israel than any Jew actually based on their fervent support for it socially, politically and theologically.

      • Mooser
        July 5, 2017, 1:31 pm

        “You seem to be personally fixated in making me someone you want me to be.”

        Oh fer gawd’s sake “Simalcuz”, “a4tech” (or whatever you will call yourself next time) everybody knows who you are.

      • gamal
        July 5, 2017, 2:07 pm

        “Oh fer gawd’s sake “Simalcuz”, “a4tech””

        no one remembers Rugal b(ernstein) because of anti-Semitism, we are all disgraced, equally.

      • Mooser
        July 5, 2017, 3:41 pm

        “no one remembers Rugal b”

        Ahh, what a distinguished lineage our “Bont Eastlake” has!

      • Eva Smagacz
        July 5, 2017, 10:22 pm

        Bont Eastlake:
        America is indeed a Christian-supremacist nation just Israel is Jewish-supremacist and ISIS is Islamosupremacist.

        I just discovered a latest weapon in Zionist hasbara:

        If Israel’s actions are no longer defendable, try to change meaning of the words.

        Above we have exhibit B:
        Trying to make word “supremacist” miningless

        exhibit A, of course, is a word “terrorist”.

        3/3

      • Bont Eastlake
        July 5, 2017, 10:39 pm

        Mooser and Gamal,

        Are we anti-Israel or anti-human right abuses which Israel partakes in?

        Because it sure seems many of us here are more than eager to call out Israel and American Jews supporting it, while steadfastly remaining silent on our own complicity in similar state crimes. So one cannot help but to wonder what is driving these activists? If you are Jewish yourselves I get it, Israel is exploiting your identity and ruining your name for its own deviant schemes so its personal. But what if your just a random white Canadian or Australian or whoever Gamal is?

        In my view, if you oppose Israel please base your opposition on their actions not on their perceived characteristics. Stealing land, enforcing oppressive laws, bombing innocents are always wrong…regardless of who does them. We cant pick and choose who should be accountable for their actions and who gets benefit of the doubt. Your own cozy homes, how did you get to own them if not through the wholesale theft of indigenous land during the formation of the country?

      • Sibiriak
        July 5, 2017, 11:22 pm

        Bont Eastlake: America is indeed a Christian-supremacist nation just Israel is Jewish-supremacist and ISIS is Islamosupremacist.

        Eva Smagacz: I just discovered a latest weapon in Zionist hasbara: If Israel’s actions are no longer defendable, try to change meaning of the words.

        Above we have exhibit B: Trying to make word “supremacist” [meaningless]
        ——————

        Do you recall Bont Eastlake’s response to Eljay’s consistent of Israel/Zionism as a “supremacist construct”?

        [Bont Eastlake:] Unlike anti-Zionism which as a political movement and philosophical thought has robust backing from a diverse range of people and institutions, opposing supremacist construct of states has no set history, no consistent backers, no concrete goals to focus on.

        http://mondoweiss.net/2017/06/palestinian-questionable-supplementary/#comment-881026

      • echinococcus
        July 5, 2017, 11:36 pm

        no one remembers Rugal b(ernstein)

        Thank you for this introduction to the stupid world of “action figures”. There is another reading, though, if you play anagrams. As far as I know, the only Bulgar here who fully deserves this alter ego calls himself “Catalan”.

      • Sibiriak
        July 5, 2017, 11:41 pm

        Correction: “Eljay’s characterization ” not “Eljay’s consistent

      • Bont Eastlake
        July 6, 2017, 12:52 am

        Eva,

        The only supremacism that matters is white supremacy. Israel hate Jews that oppose it as much it does Muslims and Christians. Thats why it sends thousands of brainwashed Jews to do its dirty work in the occupied territories.

        One day when these poor deluded Jews develop a human conciousness they will ask the state, why did you make me do those things that will haunt me forever. I cant sleep I cant eat my hearts burdened with the sins of my misdeeds…did you even love me? Only for the state to shrug and say thats your problem to deal with.

      • RoHa
        July 6, 2017, 6:30 am

        Exactly, Mooser. The world has gone mad today, and good’s bad today, and black’s white today, and it’s a hard day’s night today.

      • Mooser
        July 6, 2017, 3:57 pm

        “The world has gone mad today, and good’s bad today, and black’s white today, and it’s a hard day’s night today.”

        And most guys today, that women prize today, are just a gigolo, everywhere they go, people know the part they’re playing.

      • RoHa
        July 7, 2017, 5:24 am

        But that’s the way it is. What they think is chic, unique and quite adorable, we think is odd and “Sodom and Gomorrah”-ble! But the fact is everything today is thoroughly modern.

      • Mooser
        July 7, 2017, 1:08 pm

        “But the fact is everything today is thoroughly modern.”

        Not me, Millie. I’m old-fashioned, I love the moonlight. I love the old-fashioned things. Like an old-fashioned love song, coming down in three-part harmony. One I’m sure they wrote cause I’m nobody’s baby now. They don’t care for me somehow.

    • Nathan
      July 3, 2017, 7:55 pm

      Could you mention a few of the names of those running the Jewish Establishment? I don’t have a clue who these corruptive guys are, but I’d like to find out finally. Where is their HQ?

      • Marnie
        July 4, 2017, 12:28 am

        I think citizen is employing something called sarcasm? Here’s some more –
        To your question ‘Where is their HQ?’ Answer: The Out House. (Formerly called the White House)

      • amigo
        July 4, 2017, 7:37 am

        “Could you mention a few of the names of those running the Jewish Establishment? I don’t have a clue who these corruptive guys are, but I’d like to find out finally. “Nathan

        Easy peasy.

        Haim Saban/Sheldon Adelson/Jarrad Kushner/Michael Oren / Bill Kristol et al.

        “Where is their HQ?”

        The Oval Office.

      • echinococcus
        July 6, 2017, 9:47 am

        Eastlake,

        Are we anti-Israel or anti-human right abuses which Israel partakes in?

        Tell your Propaganda unit supervisor that a lot of readers of this site have very different interests about anything that is not directly support of Palestinian resistance.

        For example, I may well agree with human rights abuse in general instead of opposing them but be all for self-determination, property rights and international law, which all command the destruction of the Zionist entity PDQ.

        So you can shove that variant of Zionist propaganda.

      • Nathan
        July 10, 2017, 9:24 pm

        echinococcus – You have a very nice sense humor. Your mentioning of “support for Palestinian resistance” was a good one. Once upon a time, I came across a book by Yakob Rabkin about the ultra-orthodox opposition to Zionism. I was expecting to read nice adventure stories about fearless warriors with side-curls who risked their lives blowing up bridges, raiding military bases or planting mines. Much to my surprise, I learned that “opposition” means that one rabbi wrote a pamphlet while yet another rabbi gave a synagogue sermon. Your “support for Palestinian resistance” is in the same impressive category that surely will merit a full-length movie. We’ll get to see those brave fighters clutching their keyboard with one hand and their English tea with the other hand, ever on their guard that the ruthless enemy shouldn’t give King Herod credit for building the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron. How exciting it must be to have joined the “Resistance”.

      • Bont Eastlake
        July 10, 2017, 11:54 pm

        Nathan,

        Ironic you would be accusing others of being keyboard warriors when the Israeli state is the exact manifest of a keyboard warrior in real life. Never facing their enemies head on and hiding behind the the US and West Europe for protection against their criminal activity. Whether its Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran or Syria…Israel has never been able to engage these purported ideological enemies directly without tightly holding Americas hand.

      • Nathan
        July 11, 2017, 8:43 pm

        Are you serious, Bont Eastlake? The Israelis serve in the army for three years, and then they serve in the reserves for decades. They go to battle at times, and they must face the reality of life in conflict. Their enemies are also real soldiers, and they too face the reality of life in conflict. However, the brave “resistance” of those commenting on the Mondoweiss website is mere “bla-bla-bla” of people who don’t face dangers (but they know exactly what others must do). A little humility is in order. None of the comments here in Mondoweiss is going to change even an iota of reality in the conflict, just as the ultra-orthodox “opposition” in the Rabkin book didn’t put a dent in the outcome of events. Our commenting here is a social pasttime, not “resistance”.

      • Keith
        July 12, 2017, 12:55 am

        NATHAN- “Their enemies are also real soldiers….”

        The fish in the barrel wear uniforms? Who knew?

      • Bont Eastlake
        July 12, 2017, 5:08 am

        Nathan,

        As far the white European ruling class of Israel is concerned, they are extremely well insulated from any repercussions from their actions. Almost all of the conscripts that are sent to the frontlines of battlefield, as well as in the occupied territories are brown skin Jews descendant from Arab migrants. White Jews are almost exclusively reserved for less risky roles in the airforce or command center posts.

        When Israel goes to war, its Arab and Ethiopian Jews who bear all risks of casualty while White Jews stand to benefit the most from having a powerful, US-backed army. Even when white Jewish soldiers are killed or captured, the response by Israeli state is decidedly different. They are more likely to engage in negotiations with the enemy if white Jewish soldiers are captured, and if killed they retaliate far more destructively.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        July 12, 2017, 7:59 am

        Nathan:

        “Their enemies are also real soldiers..”

        Hahhahahahhahah.. What a joke.. Most of the IDF is just a bunch of “teenagers” with guns, bullying and harassing unarmed Palestinian women, children and men.. (I can hear all those noble national anthems playing in my ears when you are talking about them, but..)

        While I lived in Israel, I thought they just had a normal army.. When I visited West Bank, I saw it was about a bunch of cowards, hiding behind their machine guns, while at the same time bullying unarmed people.

        (And lets hear the national anthem again..)

      • Talkback
        July 12, 2017, 9:28 am

        Nathan: “None of the comments here in Mondoweiss is going to change even an iota of reality in the conflict, …”

        It’s not necessary. It’s JSIL (and its trolling Hasbara shmocks) who needs but fails to justify its war crimes, Arpartheid, human rights violations and crimes against humanity. The whole world knows it. And it also knows that Israel and its Hasbara shmocks know it, too.

    • JosephA
      July 4, 2017, 12:29 am

      I think if he would have said Zionist establishment, then that might have made sense. Jewish establishment seems so wrong, and on so many levels. Whenever anybody claims a great Jewish conspiracy, I call bullshit.

      • Mooser
        July 4, 2017, 11:58 am

        . “Jewish establishment seems so wrong, and on so many levels.”

        It sure does, and it makes me wince. Maybe we shouldn’t have decided to turn our religion into a political ideology, into a state.

        If we have the right to kill people because of Zionism, I would think that anybody can say anything they want about us.

      • echinococcus
        July 4, 2017, 2:35 pm

        Joseph A,

        Jewish establishment seems so wrong, and on so many levels. Whenever anybody claims a great Jewish conspiracy, I call bullshit.

        What’s your best estimate of the proportion of Zionists + sympathizers & accessories of Zionism among people who cling to the identity of “Jewish”?

        What’s your best estimate of the ratio of Antizionist organizations (or even of Zionist organizations that would absurdly pretend to be “impartial”) among the officially Jewish establishment? Feel free to count everything, including Saturday schools, kindergartens etc.

        Indignation based on general humanitarian principles is great, but facts and measurement are even greater.

      • echinococcus
        July 6, 2017, 2:30 pm

        Joseph A,

        I didn’t hear your answer. I was asking in earnest, as this looks like an important point, too long avoided because of overcorrection.

    • Bont Eastlake
      July 4, 2017, 10:39 am

      Paranam kid,

      I think your comment was meant to me as a response to my earlier reply to Citizen’s claim.

      If so, let me clarify that I didnt mean to associate racism, misogyny, greed etc with Jewish values. I meant American values are and has been instrinctly corrupt with the aforemention traits without needing any detrimental input from Jews.

      The modern American state was founded overwhelmingly by non-Jewish, white Christians who saw the indigenous peoples and blacks as lesser humans, women as inferior to men and promoted private ownership and capital accumulation as central tenets of society.

  6. Kay24
    July 4, 2017, 6:02 am

    At least Spanish lawmakers are standing up to the occupier. More work for the European lobbies. Israel keeps trying to put out the fires it keeps starting (or should I say their ongoing fires).
    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/lawmakers-spain-endorse-right-boycott-israel

  7. Paranam Kid
    July 4, 2017, 8:39 am

    Ironically, according to NetanYahoo’s new definition of antisemitism (i.e. any criticism of israel), Gordis is an antisemite. Perhaps a better label would be “selective antisemite”.

  8. YoniFalic
    July 4, 2017, 10:31 am

    Are we not allowed to mention JJ Goldberg’s book Jewish Power, which details the organization structure and means that wealthy racist “Jewish” use to subvert and to manipulate the US government as well as other US and international institutions?

    The book is white-washy but provides lots of useful info.

    Goldberg is a racist Zio, who clings to bogus petrified & putrefied “Jewish” identity. His father is Arthur Goldberg.

    • amigo
      July 4, 2017, 1:43 pm

      Yoni Falic

      “Are we not allowed to mention JJ Goldberg’s book Jewish Power, which details the organization structure and means that wealthy racist “Jewish” use to subvert and to manipulate the US government as well as other US and international institutions?”.

      Like this wealthy Jewish Zionist who brags openly about Jewish power and how, why and when to use it.

      From an article by Phillip Weiss.

      “The best quotes are about outsize Jewish influence and how we’re entitled to it because we made America great. #8 and #11 below. “We have to hit them in the pocketbook. Don’t ever ever be embarrassed about using Jewish power.”PW

      “8. Jews need to use their financial power to punish Israel’s critics.

      “If you divest from Israel, we divest from you,” Jews need to tell schools. So far, no university has ever divested from Israel.

      That has to remain the rule. Anyone that does has to be treated with economic consequences. We have to hit them in the pocketbook. Don’t ever ever be embarrassed about using Jewish power. Jewish power, whether it be intellectual, academic, economic, political– in the interest of justice is the right thing to do.

      Don’t listen to me, listen to God, Dershowitz said. Jews say a prayer that only after the Jewish people have strength will they get peace. And we are “entitled” to the power we have in the U.S.

      People write a book called the Israel lobby and complain that AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. My response to that is, that’s not good enough. We should be the most powerful lobby in Washington….

      We are entitled to use our power. We have contributed disproportionately to the success of this country. We have done so much for this country. When you think of how much better this country has become since our grandparents and great grandparents took the risk of coming, here, we have not only the right we have the obligation to speak out, and use every piece, every bit of power available in support of Israel.

      11,
      Here’s the finale. More Jewish influence.

      Look, we are the most affluent successful generation of Jews anywhere in the world, that’s the good news. This is the best of times. It’s also the most dangerous of times…

      I’m very encouraged about the future of Israel and strength of Israel. I’m very encouraged about the future of the American Jewish community. We are a very influential community. We deserve our influence. I hope all of you will participate in this great period of Jewish American, Jewish Israeli life, you have so much to contribute. Use what you’ve earned, use your influence to support Israel and support Jewish values.”dershowits

      http://mondoweiss.net/2017/05/influence-dershowitz-scarsdale/

      And we are accused of antisemitism for pointing out the facts as dershowits does , but he gets a pass.

    • Mooser
      July 4, 2017, 3:47 pm

      “Are we not allowed to…”

      I think the system hiccupped last night (7/3), and dropped some comments.

    • yonah fredman
      July 4, 2017, 6:07 pm

      his father is Arthur goldberg. is this yoni falic’s way of signalling that everything he writes should be taken poetically?

      • Mooser
        July 4, 2017, 8:11 pm

        “his father is Arthur goldberg. is this yoni falic’s way of signalling that everything he writes should be taken poetically?”

        Arthur Goldberg was an American statesman and jurist who served as the U.S. Secretary of Labor, Supreme Court Justice and Ambassador to the United Nations. He wrote almost no poetry. The dirty limericks often attributed to him have proven to be spurious.

  9. yourstruly
    July 4, 2017, 1:08 pm

    Since one is either on the side of the slave or the slave owner, and since Israel’s occupation of Palestine enslaves its indigenous people, the Palestinians ( colonizing another people’s land being a form of enslavement), it behooves those of us homo sapiens (regardless of age, religion or nationality) professing to side with the slave to stand up in support of justice for the Palestinian people. To do anything less is to expose the lie – that, in fact, one sides not with the slave but with the slave owner. Remember too that until the last chain is broken, none of us will be free.

  10. JosephA
    July 4, 2017, 11:45 pm

    “None of us are free
    None of us are free
    None of us are free
    If one of us is chained
    None of us are free”

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