Prominent Israeli rabbi preaches rape in war time

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Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu is the Rabbi of the town of Safed, and is one of the most notoriously racist rabbis in Israel. Prosecutors twice considered indicting him for breaking the law against incitement, and twice backed down. He has publicly said he will not condemn “price tag” attacks (by settlers on Palestinians), saying “if the government won’t act, then the public should” (Hebrew). His most notorious act was signing a petition demanding no Jew rent or sell apartments to a non-Jew in his town of Safed; 300 rabbis joined the call. While the act was openly racist, and illegal, the Israel law against incitement to racism specifically excludes “religious debate” from the law; thus the case against Eliyahu was closed (Hebrew). Eliyahu’s ongoing racism, however, is likely to have cost him the 2013 election of the office of Chief Sephardic Rabbi, though he came relatively close (he got 49 votes, the winner got 68). Eliyahu, a member of the Chief Rabbinate Council, also failed to get elected in 2014 as rabbi of Jerusalem; at the time he was reputed to be the candidate of the Jewish Home (Hebrew).

An Israel blogger, Ruhama Weiss, exposed yesterday (Sunday) an old ruling (from 2002) of Eliyahu regarding the thorny issue of rape during war, the mizvah of the Comely Woman. Those who read Hebrew can read the original here.  Below is a translation of Eliyahu’s reply. Be advised: the text is rather brutal and I endeavored to keep the translation as close as possible to the original.

First, several necessary notes:

1. The Comely Woman issue appears in the Bible in Deuteronomy 21. (“If you notice among the captives a comely woman and desire her, you may take her as your wife.”) However, the Talmudic sages changed the law somewhat; as can be seen in Maimonides (Hebrew) the woman is first raped in the field, and the issue of the ritualistic humiliation takes place after the war.

2. Eliyahu is lying when he says that a Comely Woman is to be released if her kidnapper dislikes her. Perusing the same Maimonides chapter, you find that she is only released if she has converted to Judaism: otherwise, “A Comely Woman who refuses to refrain from idolatry after twelve months is killed.”

3. The current Chief Rabbi of the IDF, Eyal Qarim, was exposed by me as espousing much the same views (though his writing is more elusive and much less brutal) in 2012; and this came close to torpedoing his appointment. Qarim had to recant his views before the High Court of Justice would permit his appointment. The question of whether the rape of gentile women in wartime is permitted is apparently alive and well in some circles.

On to the translation, then. Keep your barf bags handy. Rabbi Eliyahu states:

Regarding this issue of “Comely Woman”, there are two different situations:

– One is in which a man goes to war with supreme holiness, and thereby saving the souls of converts and the like, as is in your quote of the saintly Or Ha’yim.

– Another is that of taking a woman in a storm of passion.

You’re assuming that the majority of the cases are of the second kind, maybe you’re right, and maybe not, and apparently it’s sometimes one way and sometimes the other.

Whether it’s the majority or the minority, your question is: Why permit a bad act because of a person’s weakness? Why not always say: “Better to transgress than to sin willfully”? Should we allow all transgressions?

The answer depends on what case the Jewish people are in. The case we’re talking about is one in which a man is going to sacrifice his life, and everything he has, for others. A battle for life or death.

Should Israel’s fighters fail – the foreigners will come and murder men, women and children. They’ll rape, pillage, and bring about a catastrophe on the whole nation, or a few towns.

If Israel’s fighters succeed – the lives of millions of people will be saved. And evil in the world will be reduced.

In that case, in which the warrior is separated from his wife for long months, and the urges burn in him, he may think of women during the fighting, become lax and fight less well.

Why?

Because this specific soldier is that way? Seeing the Comely Woman, he is enflamed!

It is not proper to think of the Comely Woman – but he is.

Now he needs to fight, and you should moralize him!! Do it at home, before the war, not in the middle of the war. Do not weaken his spirit!!

If you forbid him the Comely Woman, and he is enchanted by wily charms, he’ll think about her constantly, and may reach the point where the People of Israel will be defeated. What would you gain by that? That thousands of Jewish women will be raped by the accursed evildoers.

Therefore, the Torah said: in this case, if you’re so enflamed – take the Comely Woman!!

It’s not the best solution.

It may cause division within your house.

It may lead to the birth of a Rebellious Son.

It may bring you to great harm.

But the Torah said: In this case – the Comely Woman is permitted.

The eating of pork was permitted to those who are hungry and need the strength to fight.

The violation of the Sabbath was also permitted, as well as other very important issues, so as to prevent loss of life.

A similar case is what we say nowadays, not to listen to all those “bleeding hearts” who sit at their homes and preach morals to the dedicated IDF [Israeli Defense Forces] soldiers, why did they shoot and accidentally hit a Palestinian child or “the innocents”? Don’t listen to them and don’t listen to all those who judge IDF soldiers for taking a popsicle and not paying a full price, VAT included. Remember that at that hour they gave all that was dear to them for the People of Israel – their lives. And in such an hour, you judge them for nothing, certainly for things lives don’t hang on. All that will be dealt with later, proportionally.

Please remember!!

Even those who, by the Grace of God, came back home alive and well – they, too, sacrificed their lives for the public, and this sacrifice is not lesser than that of those who were killed for the sanctification of God’s Name. Those who returned home, well or wounded – sacrificed their lives!!

Aside from that, see how the Torah kept the honor of the Comely Woman, as well as that of the woman left at home.

The Torah said: you were attracted to beauty – to the Comely Woman? We’ll put you through boot camp!!

Do not marry just the surface beauty, because if you do you would harm yourself, harm this woman, and harm your wife who patiently awaited you at home.

Hence “she shall shave her head, and pare her nails”.

(Don’t pity the Comely Woman – hair and nails grow back quickly, and this is less painful than captivity or death at war.)

If our warrior finds out he became a captive of the Comely Woman (who may have prettified herself specifically to entrap him and incriminate him, and may have not).

If he finds out that he became a captive of surface beauty. If, after her shaving, he calms down and reutrns to mental health, overcome his urges – then “then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.”

Pay attention – her life was spared in war!!

She’s not even a war captive!!

He cannot live with her as with a wife, and then sell her as a slave!!

He lets her go!!

Scot free!!

Have you ever heard of such laws, in any country in the world?

After all, in the famed United States it was common, up until some 100 years ago (or so) that a master can have intercourse with his black [also possibly: “nigger”] slaves as often as he wanted. Willingly or forcibly – everything was legal!!

Then they would continue to be his humiliated slaves. Then he could show them cruelty and sell them like beasts in the slave market, with their children or without them. He [could also] sell just the children, ignoring the women’s cries.

And they weren’t [even] war captives!!

So it was in the democratic United States a hundred years ago, and so it was in the Torah three thousand years ago.

This is what the Torah teaches: either a wife or a slave!

If a slave – not a sex slave.

If a slave – let her work with dignity.

If you beat her, and break one of her teeth (for instance), she is immediately released to freedom. Did you hear me?!?

My dear boy!

In the US, it was permitted to cut off the limbs of an escaped slave with a knife, and also to… castrate him. That was the law. Unpleasant yet very terrible!!

Therefore, take heed before you question the morality of the Torah.

Remember where you live!!

Also remember that all we said is not in advance, but only in retrospect and only in times of war and only when lives are on the line and only when the urges are burning.

When lives are on the line, you do not educate the soldiers to morality. It’s time to win!!

About Yossi Gurvitz

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  1. eljay
    August 28, 2017, 11:05 am

    The mind of a Zionist is a twisted, immoral place: Whatever the “moral beacon” and “light unto the nations” state of Israel does in the 21st century is cool as long as it’s not as bad as:
    – 19th century America; or
    – Saudi Arabia, Mali and African “hell-holes”.

    … When lives are on the line, you do not educate the soldiers to morality. …

    Will he defend the right of non-Jewish soldiers to dispense with morality when confronting Jews? I doubt it. Hypocrite.

    • Elizabeth Block
      August 29, 2017, 11:47 am

      Years ago – like 30 – I read a book by, I think, Bernard Avishai, who said he left Israel because you could not live a decent Jewish life there.

  2. CigarGod
    August 28, 2017, 11:36 am

    So, being raped by the good guys is better than being raped by the bad guys.

    What a congregation.
    What a country.

  3. amigo
    August 28, 2017, 11:42 am

    “After all, in the famed United States it was common, up until some 100 years ago (or so) that a master can have intercourse with his black [also possibly: “nigger”] slaves as often as he wanted. Willingly or forcibly – everything was legal!!”

    This has to stand as the greatest piece of whataboutery I have ever come across.

    “Therefore, take heed before you question the morality of the Torah.”.

    That explains why the idf is considered the “Most Moral Army ” .It says so right there in that “Most holy of Books”.

    How long before Jacko chimes in on this one or any of the usual apologists .

    • Mooser
      August 28, 2017, 11:54 am

      I’d take Rabbi Shmuel and throw him up against the Wailing Wahl!

      • amigo
        August 28, 2017, 12:35 pm

        “I’d take Rabbi Shmuel and throw him up against the Wailing Wahl!” Mooser.

        Are you inciting violence against a Jewish Holy man.

    • Elizabeth Block
      August 29, 2017, 11:46 am

      I’ve wondered for a long time what is meant by “the most moral army in the world.” [Low bar, eh?] Does it mean that Israeli soldiers don’t make a practice of rape? They certainly make a practice of threatening it – threatening children to rape their mothers/sisters/aunts – and if they never actually did it, the threat would carry no weight.
      But I had to laugh at the rabbi’s description of IDF soldiers fighting for their lives, when what they are doing is holding down an unarmed population.

      As for mass conversion, some “guest workers” from south and east Asia, whose children were born in Israel but of course are not allowed to become citizens, have asked to be allowed to convert. Refused.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 29, 2017, 12:53 pm

        I’ve wondered for a long time what is meant by “the most moral army in the world.”

        it means they excel at propaganda.

  4. Annie Robbins
    August 28, 2017, 12:26 pm

    so what about the comely palestinian man and the enflamed female jewish soldier?

    just thought i’d ask.

    • Mooser
      August 28, 2017, 12:29 pm

      “so what about the comely man and the enflamed female soldier?”

      You are right, “Annie”, that makes a lot more sense. After all, Judaism is inherited through the matriarchal line.

      • John O
        August 28, 2017, 12:39 pm

        Oh dear, Mooser! LOLling but feeling a tad sad about it!

      • Mooser
        August 28, 2017, 1:23 pm

        “Oh dear, Mooser! LOLling but feeling a tad sad about it!.”

        Imagine how “yonah” feels. It blows his entire ‘Billy Joel avenges Al Jolson’ story to smithereens.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 28, 2017, 3:25 pm

        only in times of war and only when lives are on the line and only when the urges are burning.

        When lives are on the line, you do not educate the soldiers to morality. It’s time to win!!

        gal gadot slashing her sword through al khalil raping gorgeous unarmed palestinian men serenaded by the maccabeats as the heavens open and golden light fills the screen. hollywood awaits.

      • JosephA
        August 28, 2017, 6:43 pm

        I still maintain that the only way Palestinians will receive freedom in their historic homeland (absent a miracle or international action) is by mass conversion to Judaism.

      • Eva Smagacz
        August 29, 2017, 2:50 am

        Joseph,

        Conversion is not the route.
        Palestinians are not accepted for conversion in Israel.
        They cannot convert, because they are not allowed
        to study.22/24

    • Citizen
      August 28, 2017, 1:58 pm

      You need to ask the comely rabbi? Stalin gave the same advice to his soldiers when entering Berlin in 1945. Over 2 million shiksas were raped.

      ‘They raped every German female from eight to 80’ https://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11?CMP=share_btn_tw

      • eljay
        August 28, 2017, 2:28 pm

        || Citizen: You need to ask the comely rabbi? Stalin gave the same advice to his soldiers when entering Berlin in 1945. Over 2 million shiksas were raped.

        ‘They raped every German female from eight to 80’ … ||

        But at least they didn’t act like 19th-century American slave owners. Why, they even had the decency not to kill their victims afterwards:

        … When gang-raped women in Königsberg begged their attackers afterwards to put them out of their misery, the Red Army men appear to have felt insulted. “Russian soldiers do not shoot women,” they replied. “Only German soldiers do that.” …

        Truly the “most moral army”.

      • Vera Gottlieb
        August 29, 2017, 9:57 am

        The difference being, Stalin wasn’t a hypocritical rabbi.

    • Talkback
      August 29, 2017, 4:15 am

      JosephA: “I still maintain that the only way Palestinians will receive freedom in their historic homeland (absent a miracle or international action) is by mass conversion to Judaism.”

      IIRC there is even a law against it. Anyway it would never be recognized by Israeli rabbis.

  5. John O
    August 28, 2017, 12:40 pm

    My tables—meet it is I set it down
    That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain—
    At least I am sure it may be so in Denmark.

    Hamlet, I, 5, ll. 107-9

  6. Kay24
    August 28, 2017, 1:26 pm

    They do have their share of mean, racist Rabbis, don’t they? I Remember Rabbi Ovadia Yosef
    the Holy man who said of Arabs:

    “It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable.”

    Here we are constantly told that Islam is an evil religion, and their “Imam”s are trying to influence them into extremism and violence, but everyone in the media seems quiet about this religion. Rape is okay if by the chosen ones?

    Imagine the Islamaphobic comments attacking the religion had this been said by some Imam or Mullah!

  7. Danny_123
    August 28, 2017, 1:55 pm

    The fact that this vile creature is still walking around free and sermonizing in Israel, is a complete indictment of Israel as a violent, racist, misogynistic and morally-bankrupt entity that should have gone the way of the dodo decades ago, were it not for U.S.-based religious zealots propping it up financially and politically to help them bring about the second coming of their Messiah (notice that Israel is effectively their tool for bringing about the end of days – think about that for a second).

    Now, why is it that despite Rabbis such as this, we have NOT seen widespread rape as a war tactic by the IDF? Simple: Because, much like in apartheid South Africa or even Nazi Germany, rape of women considered to be of a lower class of human beings is frowned upon or even strictly forbidden. It is no coincidence that we have not seen mass rapes in the Occupied Territories over the last 50 years – Israelis are taught from an early age to avoid Arabs like the plague, that any contact with them (especially of a romantic nature) is tantamount to heresy and that it is much preferable to kill Arabs than to capture them (a popular saying in Israel is “a good Arab is a dead Arab”).

    By the way, there is another Jewish Israeli “scholar” who advocated rape as a war tactic by the IDF – Mordechai Keidar. He’s a regular pundit on CNN and other news channels, and is considered to be a confidant of the Jewish Home leadership (Naftali Bennett et al).

    • Jack Green
      August 28, 2017, 9:35 pm

      Danny_123

      “The fact that this vile creature is still walking around free and sermonizing in Israel, is a complete indictment of Israel as a violent, racist, misogynistic and morally-bankrupt entity ”

      Nonsense! It just means that Israel has freedom of speech.

      • Mooser
        August 28, 2017, 11:10 pm

        “Nonsense! It just means that Israel has freedom of speech.”

        “Just a reminder, Israeli municipal rabbis are appointed by the State. Their salaries are paid by the State of Israel out of the citizens’ taxes.”

      • John O
        August 29, 2017, 3:00 am

        So you won’t be complaining next time a bunch of neo-Nazis march down the street chanting, “Jews won’t replace us.”

      • Talkback
        August 29, 2017, 4:06 am

        Yes Jack, we can’t expect them to be more spiritual than Nazis, can we?

      • amigo
        August 29, 2017, 7:44 am

        “Nonsense! It just means that Israel has freedom of speech.” jacko

        “Nonsense! It just means that Israel has freedom of speech for it,s Jewish Citizens.”

        There I fixed it for you jacko.

        BTW , you still have not answered my questions.

        1 , are You Jewish.

        2, Do you believe in God.

        3, Who is this God chappie.

        4, Is he White/Black/other.

        5, Is it a He/She or just a plain old it.

        6, What ethnicity is he/she/it.

        7, What religion—Christian/Islam/Jewish/Hindu , et al

        8, Pastimes.—-exclude dabbling in real estate.

        9 , Professional history.

        10, DNA and general medical history.

        11, Family history—Name of parents –number/name of siblings –cousins etc.

        Be brief but truthful.He/She logs into this site periodically.

      • eljay
        August 29, 2017, 9:06 am

        || Jack Green: … Nonsense! It just means that Israel has freedom of speech. ||

        Sounds more like Israel has freedom of incitement to commit (war) crimes against non-Jews. Not at all the sort of thing one would expect from a “moral beacon” and “light unto the nations” state.

      • Misterioso
        August 29, 2017, 2:14 pm

        @Jack Green

        “It just means that Israel has freedom of speech.”

        Setting aside the thoroughly documented litany of horrors Israel inflicts on Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, occupied East Jerusalem and the occupied Gaza Strip, I suggest you take note of the following regarding reality west of the green line.

        Hendrik Verwoerd, then prime minister of South Africa and the architect of South Africa’s apartheid policies, 1961: “Israel, like South Africa, is an apartheid state.” (Rand Daily Mail, November 23, 1961)

        Jacobus Johannes Fouché, South African Minister of Defence during the apartheid era, compared the two states and said that Israel also practiced apartheid.
        (Gideon Shimoni (1980). Jews and Zionism: The South African Experience 1910-1967. Cape Town: Oxford UP. pp. 310–336. ISBN 0195701798.

        “Former Foreign Ministry director-general invokes South Africa comparisons. ‘Joint Israel-West Bank’ reality is an apartheid state”
        EXCERPT: “Similarities between the ‘original apartheid’ as it was practiced in South Africa and the situation in ISRAEL [my emphasis] and the West Bank today ‘scream to the heavens,’ added [Alon] Liel, who was Israel’s ambassador in Pretoria from 1992 to 1994. There can be little doubt that the suffering of Palestinians is not less intense than that of blacks during apartheid-era South Africa, he asserted.” (Times of Israel, February 21, 2013)

        Video: Israeli TV Host Implores Israelis: Wake Up and Smell the Apartheid
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyyUvxHLYr4

        In its 2015 Country Report on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, the U.S. Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor acknowledges the “institutional and societal discrimination against Arab citizens of Israel.” (U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor)

        “Construction, Not Destruction”
        “While Israeli Arabs constitute 20 percent of the population, Arab communities’ jurisdictions occupy just 2.5 percent of the state’s land area, and the process of approving new construction in Arab towns takes decades.” (Haaretz Editorial, April 4, 2017)

        Adi Ophir, professor of philosophy, Tel Aviv University: “…the adoption of the political forms of an ethnocentric and racist nation-state in general, are turning Israel into the most dangerous place in the world for the humanity and morality of the Jewish community, for the continuity of Jewish cultures and perhaps for Jewish existence itself.” (1998 issue of “Theory and Criticism,” published in Israel)

        Ronnie Kasrils, a key player in the struggle against the former South African apartheid regime, minister for intelligence and a devout Jew: “The Palestinian minority in Israel has for decades been denied basic equality in health, education, housing and land possession, solely because it is not Jewish. The fact that this minority is allowed to vote hardly redresses the rampant injustice in all other basic human rights. They are excluded from the very definition of the ‘Jewish state’, and have virtually no influence on the laws, or political, social and economic policies. Hence, their similarity to the black South Africans [under apartheid].” (The Guardian, 25 May 2005)

        To the best of my knowledge, Israel is the only country in the world that differentiates between citizenship and nationality, i.e., “Israeli” nationality does not exist, only Jews and non-Jews, and each citizen carries an appropriate identity card. While the implications of this absurdity for discrimination and racism against non-Jews are obvious, it has been upheld by Israel’s Supreme Court.

        The effect of Israel’s blatantly racist “Citizenship Law” and more than fifty other restrictions Arab citizens have to endure is well expressed by writer and Knesset member, Ahmed Tibi, “…dutifully defining the state [of Israel] as ‘Jewish and democratic,’ ignores the fact that in practice ‘democratic’ refers to Jews, and the Arabs are nothing more than citizens without citizenship.” (Ma’ariv, 1.6.2005)

      • Jack Green
        August 29, 2017, 5:13 pm

        Misterioso

        De Klerk [Former South African president who ended apartheid]: ‘Odious’ to compare Israel to apartheid South Africa

        http://www.timesofisrael.com/de-klerk-odious-to-compare-israel-to-apartheid-south-africa/

        Benjamin Pogrund

        “…during 26 years as a journalist in South Africa I investigated and reported the evil that was apartheid. I saw Nelson Mandela secretly when he was underground, then popularly known as the Black Pimpernel, and I was the first non-family member to visit him in prison.
        I have now lived in Israel for 17 years, doing what I can to promote dialogue across lines of division. To an extent that I believe is rare, I straddle both societies. I know Israel today – and I knew apartheid up close. And put simply, there is no comparison between Israel and apartheid…”

        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/22/israel-injustices-not-apartheid-state

        MIDDLE EAST EPHRAIM MIRVIS

        24 FEBRUARY 2016

        I grew up in South Africa, so believe me when I say: Israel is not an apartheid state

        http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2016/02/i-grew-south-africa-so-believe-me-when-i-say-israel-not-apartheid-state

      • just
        August 29, 2017, 5:34 pm

        “Nonsense! It just means that Israel has freedom of speech.”

        Like this???

        “WATCH: Settlers sexually harass Palestinian woman, soldiers stand by
        Settlers in Hebron use loudspeaker to disparage Islam and sexually harass a Palestinian woman in the middle of the night.

        The settlers of Hebron have never been known for their manners. This time, however, it seems that they have sunk to a new low — even by their standards.

        Last Thursday night, settlers from the nearby settlement of Kiryat Arba approached the neighborhood of al-Hariqah and used a PA system to curse Islam as well as the local Palestinian population, in both Arabic and Hebrew.

        A Palestinian volunteer for Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem documented parts of the incident from the window of her home (full disclosure: I am a member of B’Tselem’s board). When the settlers realized she was filming, they began cursing and sexually harassing her using racist and misogynistic language. According to the volunteer, soldiers who were present at the scene did nothing to stop the settlers.

        This video should come with a trigger warning, since the language used in it is too despicable to quote:

        More here: https://972mag.com/watch-settlers-sexually-harass-palestinian-woman-soldiers-stand-by/129494/

        What would happen if someone not Jewish did something similar? Stop with your fantasies (lies) about freedom of speech for all, please.

      • Marnie
        August 30, 2017, 3:21 am

        @Jack Green
        By ignoring the obvious you have consigned yourself to death. Not by palestinians, though, but by your fellow israeli jews. You’ll be found guilty of not being jew enough, wrong tribal affiliation, not ‘religious’ enough, too religious, not willing to kill for your boys, rape enough comely women/children, etc. You’ll be vilified by the very people you think are your friends or by your own family. Watch and see if it isn’t happening already.

      • Talkback
        August 30, 2017, 4:39 am

        @Jack Green

        Is there any hope that you are finally going to understand the difference between petty and grand Apartheid and also the Crime of Apartheid as defined by international law which doesn’t even rely on any comparison with South Africa? Or will you continue to be/play stupid and quote people that only refer to South Africa’s petty Apartheid?

        In the meantime you can deal with these self haters:

        Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak:

        As long as in this territory west of the Jordan River there is only one political entity called Israel it is going to be either non-Jewish, or non-democratic. If this bloc of millions of Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state. (2010)

        Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert:

        If the day comes when the two-state solution collapses, and we face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights (also for the Palestinians in the territories), then, as soon as that happens, the State of Israel is finished. (2007)

        Israeli human rights group B’Tselem:

        Israel has created in the Occupied Territories a regime of separation based on discrimination, applying two separate systems of law in the same area and basing the rights of individuals on their nationality. This regime … is reminiscent of distasteful regimes from the past such as the Apartheid regime in South Africa. (2002)

        Former Israeli Ambassador to South Africa Alon Liel:

        In the situation that exists today, until a Palestinian state is created, we are actually one state. This joint state — in the hope that the status quo is temporary — is an apartheid state. (2013)

        Israeli newspaper Haaretz editorial:

        The de facto separation is today more similar to political apartheid than an occupation regime because of its constancy. One side – determined by national, not geographic association – includes people who have the right to choose and the freedom to move, and a growing economy. On the other side are people closed behind the walls surrounding their community, who have no right to vote, lack freedom of movement, and have no chance to plan their future. (2007)

        Former Israeli admiral and Knesset member Ami Ayalon:

        Israel must decide quickly what sort of environment it wants to live in because the current model, which has some apartheid characteristics, is not compatible with Jewish principles. (2000)

        Former Israeli attorney general Michael Ben-Yair:

        [In 1967] We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one – progressive, liberal – in Israel; and the other – cruel, injurious – in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day. (2002)

        Former Israeli Minister of Education Yossi Sarid:

        What acts like apartheid, is run like apartheid and harasses like apartheid, is not a duck – it is apartheid… What should frighten us, however, is not the description of reality, but reality itself… The Palestinians are unfortunate because they have not produced a Nelson Mandela; the Israelis are unfortunate because they have not produced an F.W. de Klerk. (2008)

        Former Israeli Minister of Education Shulamit Aloni:

        Jewish self-righteousness is taken for granted among ourselves to such an extent that we fail to see what’s right in front of our eyes. It’s simply inconceivable that the ultimate victims, the Jews, can carry out evil deeds. Nevertheless, the state of Israel practices its own, quite violent, form of Apartheid with the native Palestinian population. (2007)

        David Ben-Gurion, first Prime Minister of Israel, (cited):

        Israel, he said, better rid itself of the territories and their Arab population as soon as possible. If it did not Israel would soon become an Apartheid State. (1967 – cited in Hirsh Goodman, 2005)

  8. amigo
    August 28, 2017, 3:21 pm

    Looks as if Jon 66 has no comment on this rabbi who is the product of “victorious Israel”.

    Some victory.Some society.

    Pretty hollow victory , eh ??.

    • Jon66
      August 28, 2017, 4:24 pm

      Amigo,
      The guy is despicable. I don’t know how anyone could agree with him. No disclaimers.

      • Mooser
        August 28, 2017, 5:43 pm

        “The guy is despicable. I don’t know how anyone could agree with him.”

        He’s the Rabbi of the town of Safed, and obviously an influential religious figure.
        If you “don’t know how anyone could agree with him” you must not know much about Zionism, outside of your pleasant fantasies about it.

    • Jack Green
      August 29, 2017, 11:27 am

      eljay

      Name even one country in Israel’s situation of existential threat from the day it was reborn with a better human rights record.

      • eljay
        August 29, 2017, 12:23 pm

        || Jack Green: eljay … ||

        Jack.

        || … Name even one country in Israel’s situation of existential threat from the day it was reborn with a better human rights record. ||

        What is the colour of curiosity? What sound does a sunbeam make? How deep is delicious?

      • amigo
        August 29, 2017, 12:27 pm

        “Name even one country in Israel’s situation of existential threat from the day it was reborn with a better human rights record.”jacko

        Israel never existed so cannot be classed as reborn.

      • amigo
        August 29, 2017, 1:16 pm

        Eljay–or what colour is the wind.

        “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNJEJTrVZdY

      • John O
        August 29, 2017, 1:34 pm

        Sounds like you think it’s the fault of Israel’s neighbours that Israel is under “existential threat”; nothing to do with the bad choice the Zionists made in trying to kick out the indigenous population of Palestine and take all their land for themselves.

        As for a better human rights record, how about South Africa? The European immigrants eventually admitted defeat and agreed to share the land with the indigenous population, with an immediate improvement in the country’s human rights record. (No, it’s not perfect, but it’s better than Israel’s.)

      • Misterioso
        August 29, 2017, 2:03 pm

        @Jack Green

        Sigh.
        Inane comment. With supporters like you, Israel needs no critics. Back to Hasbara Central for more instruction

      • eljay
        August 29, 2017, 2:32 pm

        || amigo: Eljay–or what colour is the wind.

        “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNJEJTrVZdY ||

        Gah! I think I just suffered a schmaltz-attack!  8-o

        ;-)

      • amigo
        August 29, 2017, 2:58 pm

        “Gah! I think I just suffered a schmaltz-attack! 8-o” eljay

        Apologies , only meant for you to listen to the first line or two.

        You,ll get over it.

      • eljay
        August 29, 2017, 3:34 pm

        || amigo: … Apologies , only meant for you to listen to the first line or two.

        You,ll get over it. ||

        No apologies necessary. And I feel better already thanks to an antidote of hard rock. :-)

      • Jack Green
        August 29, 2017, 5:10 pm

        amigo

        The Kingdom of Israel may refer to any of the historical kingdoms of ancient Israel, including:
        Kingdom of Israel (united monarchy) (1050–931 BCE), the kingdom established by the Israelites and uniting them under a single king
        Kingdom of Israel (Samaria) (931–722 BCE), the kingdom of northern Israel
        Kingdom of Judah (931–586 BCE), kingdom of southern Israel
        Hasmonean Kingdom (140–37 BCE), kingdom ruled by the Hasmoneans or “Maccabees”, primarily known as Judea (or cognates) but also named Israel in the First Book of Maccabees
        Herodian Kingdom, client kingdom ruled by Herod the Great (37–4 BCE), and to varying degrees by his heirs (the last Agrippa II lived to c. 100 CE), primarily known as Roman Judea (or cognates) but also called Israel in the Gospels and Book of Acts.

      • rosross
        August 29, 2017, 7:55 pm

        Every country which has been founded through the murder and dispossession of the indigenous people has faced threat from the day it was created, and that applies to pretty much every country on the planet.

        When you kill and steal from others, chances are, they will attack you, which is why in more barbaric ancient times, the approach was to kill everyone, although clearly that goal, while attempted in Palestine, failed and is now no longer an option.

        The only way Israel could begin to attempt to have any sort of civilized human rights record, indeed, any sort of human rights record, is to do what all other colonisers have done, create one state with equal rights for all, shared in a democracy by indigenous Palestinians and colonising Europeans, now called Israeli.

      • john_manyjars
        August 29, 2017, 9:21 pm

        Ah…’reborn’ like the mythical Phoenix. -spit-

      • Talkback
        August 30, 2017, 4:53 am

        Jack Green: “Name even one country in Israel’s situation of existential threat from the day it was reborn with a better human rights record.”

        Name one country that was created through war and expulsion after the Nuremberg trials against the Nazis. And name one country that also differentiated between “nationals” and “citizens” besides Nazi Germany.

        And since you use the term “reborn” you may also explain what was ‘natural’ about the creation of Israel. There are some Zionists who claim that Israel is a child born as a result of rape when in reality Zionists have been raping the children of Palestine for a century.

      • amigo
        August 30, 2017, 7:47 am

        “but also called Israel in the Gospels and Book of Acts.”jacko

        Maps please .

        There you go again with the bibleology.It is a book written by Jews for Jews and has no legal validity in any court in any real democracy.

    • Jack Green
      August 30, 2017, 11:11 am

      Talkback

      No occupier treats the occupied the same way it treats its own citizens, yet
      no one has ever called that Apartheid except when Jews are involved.

      • Jack Green
        August 30, 2017, 11:15 am

        Talkback

        More ominous was the outbreak, on 4 April, in the midst of the Muslim Nabi Musa (the prophet Moses) festivities, of pogrom-like Arab rioting in Jerusalem’s old city. A Muslim religious procession, the marchers wielding knives and clubs, erupted in anti-Jewish violence; shouts of “idbah al-Yahud” (slaughter of the Jews and “Muhammad’s faith was born with the sword” filled the air. At the end of three days, six Jews lay dead, with about 200 injured and a handful RAPED.

      • eljay
        August 30, 2017, 11:58 am

        || Jack Green: … Here is a link to maps of the Kingdom of Israel … ||

        The “Kingdom of Israel” does not exist. Ancient Israelites do not exist.

        What do exist are:
        – people throughout the world – citizens of homelands all over the world – who choose to hold the religion-based identity of Jewish; and
        – an oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” carved out of most of Palestine by Jewish supremacists.

      • amigo
        August 30, 2017, 12:49 pm

        Jacko , the following statement appears under everyone of those maps offered by —guess who—“The Jewish Virtual Library”.Nice bit of photo shopping though.

        “The approximate borders of the kingdom based on the biblical narrative.”

        There you go again , quoting the Bible and how god gave the so called land of Israel (still Sans Frontiere”), to the Jews.

        That,s odd , because I seem to recall you asking me , why I assumed you believe in god.

        Well, do you.

        Btw , best of luck plonking that title deed in front of any legitimate Court of law.

      • Jack Green
        August 30, 2017, 8:34 pm

        amigo

        There’s extra-Biblical evidence e.g.

        The earliest reference to ancient Israelites in extraBiblical history is the appearance of the name “Israel” in the Mernephtah stele, a granite slab created around 1200 BC, referring to the Egyptian King Mernephtah’s military victory over an “Israelite people” living in the north-central Israel highlands. Over the next 200 years, there are many references to Israel and Judah in Assyrian, Babylonian, Aramaic and Persian texts from the 10th century BC and thereafter: • a 10th century inscription (approximately the time of king David) written in clear Biblical Hebrew and quoting almost verbatim the texts of Exodus 23:3, Isaiah 1:17, and Psalms 72:3. It was discovered at a site near Hebron.14 • the reference to the House of Omri (dynasty of northern Israelite kings) in the Black Obelisk of Shalmanesser III (9th century). • the Moabite stone with its own version of the 9th — 8th centuries’ war between Israel and Moab recounted in the Book of II Kings.

      • MHughes976
        August 31, 2017, 3:57 pm

        I don’t think that the Khirbet Qeiyafa inscriptions are either clearly in Hebrew or clearly making moral statements. There is very solid reason to think otherwise. See M. Richelle ‘New Readings’ Semitica 57, 2015, p.147 on the content and C. Rollston (the world’s leading authority, I think) ‘Khirbet Qeiyafa Ostracon’ Tel Aviv, 2011, p.67 for the language.

  9. JosephA
    August 28, 2017, 6:46 pm

    Where’s fat bastard to defend this racist clown of a joke of a Rabbi? Where’s Nathan? Jack Green?

    • Misterioso
      August 29, 2017, 2:24 pm

      Fat Bastard and Nathan have the day off. Jack Green is back flailing away and tripping over himself.

    • Jack Green
      August 30, 2017, 12:25 am

      rosross

      Arabs murdered 8 Jews in March 1920.
      Jews had not killed any Arabs.
      Jews had not stolen any land.

      Arabs murdered more Jews in April 1920.
      Arabs murdered more Jews in 1921.
      Arabs murdered more Jews in 1929.
      Jews had lived in Hebron & Gaza for centuries, but in 1929 Arabs cleansed Hebron & Gaza of their Jews.
      Evidence that even 1 square inch of land had been stolen by Jews until that time?

      • CigarGod
        August 30, 2017, 9:55 am

        1 Samuel 15: 2-3

      • amigo
        August 30, 2017, 2:42 pm

        “Please explain “supremacist.”” jacko

        Easy—Jack Green.

    • Jack Green
      August 30, 2017, 1:36 pm

      eljay

      Please explain “supremacist.”

      • eljay
        August 30, 2017, 2:08 pm

        || Jack Green: eljay … ||

        Jack.

        || … Please explain “supremacist.” ||

        In a word: You.

  10. Elliot
    August 28, 2017, 6:54 pm

    Just a reminder, Israeli municipal rabbis are appointed by the State. Their salaries are paid by the State of Israel out of the citizens’ taxes.

    • Mooser
      August 28, 2017, 8:42 pm

      “Just a reminder, Israeli municipal rabbis are appointed by the State. Their salaries are paid by the State of Israel out of the citizens’ taxes.”

      “Jon 66” did you know about that? What’s your “disclaimer”?

    • john_manyjars
      August 29, 2017, 9:22 pm

      Which is to say, the taxpayers of the USA. How bloody nice.

  11. Brewer
    August 28, 2017, 7:51 pm

    Israel is well on the way to its inevitable incarnation as a loony theocratic state :
    Ha’aretz: Meet the Israelis ‘not Jewish enough’
    https://israelpalestinenews.org/haaretz-meet-israelis-not-jewish-enough/

  12. Marnie
    August 29, 2017, 12:52 am

    This guy must never get any and if he does, he has to pay for it. If only he were young and a soldier, he could rape without a care every time he becomes ‘enflamed’. Of course he is blameless because the ‘Comely Woman’, naturally evil because she is a woman, will cast a spell on his semi automatic and what can the poor soldier do? He’s already met his kill quota for the day, nothing to do, bored as all get out and to top it off the Comely Woman (or Comely Woman-child), just told him there are no popsicles left, looking him in the eye as she REFUSED his demand for a popsicle and you figure out the rest.

  13. Brewer
    August 29, 2017, 2:57 am

    Further to the above.
    Adam Eliyahu Berkowitz is a features writer for Breaking Israel News. He made Aliyah to Israel in 1991 and served in the IDF as a combat medic. Berkowitz studied Jewish law and received rabbinical ordination in Israel. He has worked as a freelance writer and his novel, The Hope Merchant, is available on Amazon. He lives in the Golan Heights with his wife and their four children.
    He has a fascinating take on Hurricanes:
    “Hurricane Harvey, described as the “worst disaster” in Texan history, fits into a troubling pattern of natural disasters striking America at times when the country’s leadership is attempting to push Israel into negotiating with its Palestinian neighbors for a peaceful two-state solution involving Israeli concessions.
    Read more at https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/93902/hurricane-harvey-divine-reaction-latest-us-mid-east-peace-push/#prBUxpe08FI7hRIQ.99

  14. Eva Smagacz
    August 29, 2017, 5:36 am

    He is by far not the only prominent rabbi who has this view (that rape is permitted during the war):

    This was in YnetNews last year:

    “Rabbi Col. Eyal Karim, who was announced on Monday as the IDF’s intended new chief rabbi, has provoked controversy with previous misogynistic statements, such as opposing female conscription and implying that rape was permissible in times of war.”23/25

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4827240,00.html

    • Marnie
      August 29, 2017, 1:18 pm

      I have to assume, based on the worldwide occurrence of rape during wartime , that no govt really gives a damn about what happens to women and girls, comely or not. Korean ‘comfort women’, Bosnia, Congo, Rwanda, Somalia, etc.

      • john_manyjars
        August 29, 2017, 9:24 pm

        you would, sadly, assume correctly

  15. Eva Smagacz
    August 29, 2017, 5:58 am

    Rabbi David Rosenfeld from Washington DC writing in a “Ask the Rabbi” at http://www.aish.com/atr/Eishet-Yefat-Toar-Woman-Captured-in-War.html

    “At the same time, the captive woman undergoes a month of transition till she becomes a full Jewess. She stays in his home and is made especially unattractive. Her hair is shaved off, she is given unappealing clothes, and her nails are let to grow (v. 13). She sits at his doorstep crying over her parents and past. If the soldier still desires her after that period, perhaps there is something deeper to his attraction. She converts (only if she is willing to) and he marries her. But in the much likelier outcome that the soldier has long lost interest in her, he must set her free, neither selling her nor making her work for him.

    It is also significant to note that this section of the Torah is immediately followed by the section of the hated wife (relating to the laws of inheritance) and then by the section of the rebellious son. As the commentator Rashi (Deut. 21:11) points out, the sections are connected. One who goes so far as marrying the coveted woman will eventually hate her, and he is quite liable to father rotten kids through her.”

    Is this applicable to observant Jewish soldiers joining American Army, I wonder?24/26

    • Mooser
      August 29, 2017, 11:14 am

      “Is this applicable to observant Jewish soldiers joining American Army, I wonder?”

      Not unless he is engaged in a battle of wills.

  16. Vera Gottlieb
    August 29, 2017, 9:56 am

    What ever happened to Christian/Judeo values??? Looking at this guy, who would want to be raped by him anyhow.

  17. CigarGod
    August 29, 2017, 10:25 am

    I wish the Rabbi’s with ideologies like this would just shave their heads and get the appropriate tattoo’s.
    That way I won’t need to read their hateful stuff, I’ll be able to see them coming and cross to the other side of the street.

  18. Misterioso
    August 29, 2017, 11:18 am

    I’m at a loss for words other than to state the obvious: Israel is an evil entity, a monster forced on Arab Palestine by foreign thieves, thugs, murderers, liars and poseurs. It is headed for history’s dumpster.

    • Jack Green
      August 30, 2017, 12:31 am

      Misterioso

      Israel is a wonderful country that sent firefighters to Macedonia to help fight wild fires.
      Israel is a democratic oasis in a desert of monarchies & fascist, misogynist dictatorships.

      • eljay
        August 30, 2017, 10:17 am

        || Jack Green: … Israel is … ||

        … a deliberately and unapologetically oppressive, colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state that is:
        – routinely promoted as being as good as the best (“moral beacon”, “light unto the nations”, “Western-style democracy”); but
        – inevitably defended as being not quite as bad as the worst (Saudi Arabia, Mali, African “hell-holes” and, most recently, 19th century America).

      • Jack Green
        August 30, 2017, 11:45 am

        eljay

        Israel is rated FREE by Freedom House.
        That compares favorably with some European countries like Turkey, Ukraine, Macedonia, Kosovo & Moldova which are rated only PARTLY FREE.

      • John O
        August 30, 2017, 12:58 pm

        @Jack Green

        “Israel is rated FREE by Freedom House.
        That compares favorably with some European countries like Turkey, Ukraine, Macedonia, Kosovo & Moldova which are rated only PARTLY FREE.”

        0/10 marks. Next time, try comparing Israel to Ireland, or Iceland, or Italy.

      • eljay
        August 30, 2017, 1:38 pm

        || Jack Green: eljay … ||

        Jack.

        || … Israel is rated FREE by Freedom House. … ||

        It’s also rated:
        – OPPRESSIVE by Oppressive House;
        – COLONIALIST by Colonialist House;
        – (WAR) CRIMINAL by (War) Criminal House; and
        – RELIGION-SUPREMACIST by Religion-Supremacist House.

        I like how “Freedom” House’s 2017 Final Report makes no mention of:
        – Israel’s decades-long and on-going occupation and colonization of Palestine (i.e., territory outside of its / Partition borders); or
        – America’s deliberate destabilization of sovereign states and backing of terrorist organizations.

        “Freedom” House is really Biased House.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 30, 2017, 1:40 pm

        freedom house is cia usaid affiliated org, of course they are going to say that.

      • amigo
        August 30, 2017, 1:45 pm

        “Israel is a democratic oasis in a desert of monarchies & fascist, misogynist dictatorship”

        The so called “Kingdom of David ” was a Monarchy .Easy to see why it only lasted 70 years.All that Jewish fascist misogynistic dictatorship.

        Btw, you had best tell nietandyahu that Saudi Arabia is a monarchy .He is great buddies with the King.

      • amigo
        August 30, 2017, 1:54 pm

        “Israel is a wonderful country that sent firefighters to Macedonia to help fight wild fires.”jacko

        Yeah we know how that works,!!.

        They (both of them )fly in for the photo shoot , distribute a few past their use by date , domestic fire extinguishers and are on their way back within minutes.

        Nothing like natural disaster in someone else,s land to offer Israel a shot at some PR.

      • oldgeezer
        August 30, 2017, 6:01 pm

        @jack

        Freedom house receives 80% of it’s funding from the us gov. Openly a d not including any money funneled to them.

        As already pointed out to you the countries you chose to compare Israel is very telling. I guess when you’rw trying to defend a hell hole for those not of the right ethnic group you have little choice.

      • Jack Green
        August 30, 2017, 8:38 pm

        John O

        Israel is in the same top category with Ireland, Iceland, & Italy &
        Israel has done this despite being under continual existential threat even before
        it was reborn.
        Even the USA locked up Japanese-Americans during WW2.

      • Jack Green
        August 30, 2017, 8:45 pm

        eljay

        “I killed myself to give the Palestinians a state. I had a deal they turned down that would have given them all of Gaza, … between 96 and 97 percent of the West Bank, compensating land in Israel, you name it,” Clinton said
        Clinton added that civilian fatalities in the Gaza Strip during the 2014 war between Israel and Hamas resulted from the terror group’s practice of embedding its weapons and fighters in residential areas.
        “[Hamas] is really smart. When they decide to rocket Israel, they insinuate themselves in the hospitals, in the schools, in the highly populous areas, and they are smart,” .
        The former president also acknowledged that Hamas had been engaged in the tactic of forcing Israel to choose between “defending themselves or killing innocents” for “a long time.”
        Shortly after the conclusion of his presidency, Clinton assigned the blame for the failure of the 2000 Camp David Summit squarely on Yasser Arafat and the Palestinians. When Arafat called Clinton a great man, Clinton responded, “The hell I am.”
        “I’m a colossal failure, and you made me one,” he added, explaining that Arafat rejected “the best peace deal he was ever going to get” by then Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak.

      • CigarGod
        August 30, 2017, 10:38 pm

        Israel is rated 29 by the economist democracy index…below Botswana…as a “Flawed” democracy.

      • Marnie
        August 31, 2017, 12:48 am

        “Jack Green”, you sound a lot like the late, not great, Maxx Narr, who posted tidbits of zionist hasbara swill willy-nilly all over these pages in the very distant past. Haven’t missed him. Anyway, israel is a shit country that helps others for propaganda only. Oh I remember the photos of an iof snot with the caption ‘you’re welcome, Haiti’. Real nice. If you’re going to help someone in desperate need, you don’t except or expect thanks or payment; your reward is knowing you’ve done the right thing. Something that a zionist pig just can’t wrap it’s sausage brain around.

        it is a religious-ethnocentric litter box that has been a curse to the world since 1947. It is an abomination before God.

      • eljay
        August 31, 2017, 7:21 am

        || Jack Green: eljay … ||

        Jack.

        || … “I’m a colossal failure … ||

        I cannot dispute this.

      • amigo
        August 31, 2017, 10:04 am

        “Israel is rated FREE by Freedom House.” jacko

        I visited that site and here is their overview !!.

        “Quick Facts
        Population:
        8,200,000
        Capital:
        Jerusalem
        GDP/capita:
        $35,728
        Press Freedom Status:
        Partly Free

        Given, Freedom House describes Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel ,( not one country on the planet agrees , even the US ,which is why there is not one Foreign Embassy there), I decided not to continue any further..

        Note also that the Press in Israel is “Partly Free”.

        https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2017/israel

        Note jacko–we give links to our claims and links to the bible are not considered relevant.

        Btw , I am still waiting for your answers.6th request.

      • amigo
        August 31, 2017, 10:43 am

        “Israel is rated FREE by Freedom House.”jacko

        Jacko–let,s drill down to the details .

        Israel has a score of 80 = it is only 80 % free.The20% must represent the Non Jewish Citizens of Israel.

        Ireland has a 96 % score . Germany the UK and Spain sit at 96/95 /95respectively.

        Interestingly but not surprisingly , the Nordic countries sit at 100% ie Norway/Finland/Sweden.

        So jacko–Israel is only 80 % free.Well done Israel.But not to worry, you can always point your finger at those rated unfree , most of which are ruled by dictators, many of which Israel seeks to do business with.

        https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/freedom-world-2017

        Great little nation you got there.Why it,s the very essence of Freedom and Democracy and a “Light unto the Nations”—eh what Jacko.

    • RoHa
      August 30, 2017, 1:59 am

      Your first sentence is obviously true. Your second is not. I can only hope it’s true, but hope doesn’t pay the rent or feed the cat.

      • Jack Green
        August 30, 2017, 7:23 pm

        amigo

        Israelis have been in Japan for years helping.

      • gamal
        August 30, 2017, 8:17 pm

        “Israelis have been in Japan for years helping”

        ah yes the Nudniks Oblige, its a duty but still praiseworthy.

      • Jack Green
        August 30, 2017, 9:00 pm

        Annie Robbins

        Evidence that Freedom House is CIA affiliated?

      • Jack Green
        August 30, 2017, 9:02 pm

        eljay

        oppressive?

        Palestinians have been oppressing Jews for centuries.

        In 1839, the British consul, William Young, said that the poor Jew in Jerusalem…lives from day to day in terror of his life….Young attributed the plight of the Jew in Jerusalem to “the blind hatred and ignorant prejudice of a fanatical populace,”

        JEWS IN JERUSALEM.
        New York Times December 29, 1878
        Crowded together in the worst lodgings, or in the dark cellars under a synagogue building, without food, fuel, or water –even water at Jerusalem being a commodity of price – numbers died of starvation and various diseases, while others went raving mad. Those who could labor were denied employment by the bigotry of the Mussulmans and of the Oriental Christians.

        Notice the date. This was before the first Zionists arrived in Palestine. Notice the word bigotry.

      • eljay
        August 31, 2017, 7:19 am

        || Jack Green: eljay … ||

        Jack.

        || … oppressive? … ||

        Yup, oppressive.

        || … Palestinians have been oppressing Jews for centuries. … ||

        Two problems with this:
        1. Acts of injustice and immorality committed against Jews do not justify acts of injustice and immorality committed by Jews.
        2. According to your fellow supremacists, neither Palestine nor Palestinians existed prior to 1948. You may want to contact ZioHQ to find out what the latest script says.

      • Jack Green
        August 31, 2017, 2:49 pm

        amigo

        Ireland, Germany, Spain & the Nordic countries have not been under existential threat from the day they were reborn.
        The USA during world war 2, locked up American citizens of Japanese descent.
        Name even one country that’s been under existential threat & having the kind of neighbors that Israel has that has protected human rights as well as Israel.

      • Jack Green
        August 31, 2017, 3:07 pm

        Marnie

        Israel has been wonderful for the Arabs living in Israel.

        Arab women in Israel live longer than Arab women in any Arab country.
        Arab babies in Israel have lower infant mortality than Arab babies in any Arab country.

        Hadassah University Medical Center in Israel established a registry for Arab donors of bone marrow and stem cells to facilitate life-saving transplants. The registry at Hadassah Hospital is the only one in the world for Arabs and will no doubt save the lives not only of Arab Israelis but also of some citizens of Arab countries, not a single one of which has a registry of its own.

      • Jack Green
        August 31, 2017, 3:14 pm

        CigarGod

        The USA is also considered a “flawed democracy” by the Democracy Index.

      • eljay
        August 31, 2017, 5:12 pm

        || Jack Green: eljay … ||

        Jack.

        || … I never justified acts of injustice and immorality. ||

        I get it: You’re a comedian.

      • amigo
        September 1, 2017, 9:41 am

        “Israel has done this despite being under continual existential threat even before it was reborn.”jacko

        The only existential threat Israel is under is zionism.Israel can end this existential threat in the blink of an eye.

        End the Occupation , obey international law and get the hell out of Occupied Palestine.

        Easy, eh jacko

  19. john_manyjars
    August 29, 2017, 9:19 pm

    Yet another Zionist, trying to out-Nazi the Nazis.

    Eichmann must be having a good laugh…

  20. MHughes976
    August 30, 2017, 4:05 pm

    I think that there is a bit of overstatement in saying that the Rabbi ‘preaches rape’ – he doesn’t want rape to happen and isn’t calling for it as a weapon of intimidation, though he does think that it’s permissible in certain emergencies. In a certain sense this is a distinction not worth making, I know, though all ‘just war’ theories envisage some horrible actions in emergencies.
    He is the prisoner of outrageous medieval interpretations of Deuteronomy, which does not concern rape in the heat of battle but marriage with a former captive after battle when the warrior is able to return home: nothing to with violent lust in the front line trenches. Rape in the immediate aftermath is in fact forbidden. Medieval readers were scandalised by the permission to marry, with an element mutual consent, a non-Israelite without any mention of conversion. The Dt attitude to women is not that appealing – of course they would have a strong wish to be absorbed into a new patriarchal family, of course they would as wives participate in the rituals of the household. But the medieval interpretation is as much about racial feeling as about sexual passion.
    There is much more to the question of Biblical teaching about rape than that one passage. The Dinah story in Genesis 34 shows rape as an unendurable insult to a family, once again justifying suspension of normal ethical rules. The final passages of Judges dwell on the theme, objection to individual rape

    • MHughes976
      August 30, 2017, 4:15 pm

      …to continue, leading to mass rape sanctioned by the people who first objected. ‘There was no king in Israel, so everyone did what was right in his own eyes’. Another reflection on emergency ethics. If you are in a positive frame of mind you can say that the Bible teaches that the days of organised violence, even of organised permission for violence in emergency, against women were primitive and shucking and should most rigorously be put behind us. I wonder what the Rabbi thinks?

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