Nathan Englander, author of new Israel thriller, wants ‘as many passports as I can get’

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I’m interested in how American Jewish novelists deal with Israel in crisis, and this is a good season. Three big hitters have come to the plate. Last month Nicole Krauss published a novel set in Israel called Forest Dark, of which she said:

It’s impossible to write about Israel without writing about violence. It is also impossible to write about love and intimacy without writing about violence. I happened to be in Israel during the summer of 2014, when it was once again at war with Gaza.

Last spring I read her former husband Jonathan Safran Foer’s novel, Here I Am, because it sets out to imagine the destruction of Israel due to the abandonment of American Jews in its hour of need. It was very good, though Foer couldn’t quite pull the trigger.

And this week Nathan Englander put out a “political thriller of the highest order that interrogates the anguished, violent division between Israelis and Palestinians, and dramatizes the immense moral ambiguities,” as the publisher put it. The book is called Dinner at the Center of the World. So Englander wins the best title prize.

I went to hear the author speak at NYU on Thursday night. It was a young literary audience, and he performed; for an hour he told stories about writing and Israel and sex and Jewishness. Englander is medium height but he plays big, like a movie actor, because he has a long wide handsome head with flashing dark eyes, glossy hair and wide even rows of big white teeth. He is charismatic and instinctual and doesn’t self-censor; and a lot of the people who crowded the three rooms of the fussy/lovely brownstone on West 10th Street were star-struck, and delighted by his rambles.

Englander related writer’s tricks about doing as little research as he could lest the story wear its research; “reading hard,” throwing books that might influence him against the wall; and his high standards as a reader. “If there is a comma out of place I take to my fainting couch.” There was talk about literary status from him and Darin Strauss, the novelist who interviewed him; Philip Roth, The New York Times, The New Yorker were introduced with reverence. And I felt there was a tension between the spirit of the speakers – very Jewish, very male – and the spirit of the audience, which was much more diverse, and mostly women. When a woman in the audience asked if Englander had read Ari Shavit’s book, My Promised Land, which is the hero text for conservative synagogues in the United States, Englander said he had been invited to the book party—and it’s very important to be invited to a party, he said—and got the book but considered it research, and didn’t crack it, because he did only a couple of pages of research on Israel, his main research being about sailing, because he’s never been on the Staten Island ferry.

I began to wonder what this evening was about.

But Englander’s book is partly political and his political message was earnest. He moved to Israel in 1997 because he believed that peace was coming and he didn’t want to miss it. He thought it was more important than his own life. He said he would not sacrifice his life to bring down gun deaths in the US but to bring about Middle East peace, yes! So he had set out to make Aliyah in the late 90s—”going up,” to Israel. He was physically very close to a couple of bombings in Jerusalem, including the Mahane Yehuda market bombing of 1997 (which killed 16), but he carried on by staying in touch with his Israeli friends who told him, This is what we do. The blood is cleaned up and the windows boarded up and you have coffee in that road the next day. When your number comes up, your number comes up.

Then Englander gave up on Aliyah, and moved back to the United States in 2001, having spent a total of seven years in Israel. Now he lives in New York and Madison, Wisconsin.

Peace was obvious in the late 90’s and it is obvious now, he said. We all know what the maps look like, he said twice. Thirty to fifty people stood in the way of peace– Yigal Amir, Hamas, and so on. Now Englander feels he could do peace better than Jared Kushner does it, or Betsy DeVos does Education. He tries to body peace in the novel. Peace is about giving up violence for economic cooperation, putting all the money we spend on munitions into peaceful purposes. Walls are never a good idea. Though to be clear, peace is the two state solution.

He read a passage from the book describing his character’s excitement about peace on the very-diverse campus of Hebrew University in the late-90s, before “Intifada 2” came and everything got burned down.

I got the last question.  In view of the fact that you thought of making Aliyah and didn’t, and you seem to lead a safe life here, have you ever thought the answer might be giving up your Jewish right of return, and that Israel should cease to be a Jewish state and become a state of its citizens?

Englander said:

Oh that is a super complex and smart question about right of return and Jewish identity and things like that… You know what, I’m a fiction writer, not a–. That is so not even on my radar… Yes, I hope for peace, if we’re talking about — that’s the same as asking me how to split up the water in the Jordan River, you know, what Jordan should get and what’s coming from Syria…

Yeah, that is an excellent question, I just literally don’t think it’s upon me to have to like– I’m not trying to make any personal statement like that. Like when somebody becomes the ambassador, like an Israeli of American birth is going to be the ambassador to the States and has to give up his citizenship–

No. I would say as a Jew and my Jewish history, I’m collecting as many passports as I can get. My wife has Canadian heritage. I think Toronto’s lovely this time of year.

But you’re asking a serious question, and I totally don’t think I will entertain the question now, but I have never even thought about having to take a personal stand like that as being imperative upon me.

But I will think about it. It’s really interesting, it’s a put-your-money-where-your-mouth is question.

This answer is by Englander’s admission not a serious one. And it’s culturally-bound. The heart of it is the confession about Jewish unsafety, the passports bit. That seems to me unengaged by the many different cultural/historical experiences in the room. And though this is beyond the scope of this report (and unfair to Englander’s book, which I have not read), his answer may also be a reflection on what it means to be a Jewish Writer today: what sociological experience one is compelled to echo in order to make it, and the narrow borders of that experience.

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  1. Mooser
    September 9, 2017, 12:13 pm

    “Oh that is a super complex and smart question…/… it’s a put-your-money-where-your-mouth is question.”

    Shorter Nathan Englander: “Dude, give me a break, I’m just a hack”

  2. Donald Johnson
    September 9, 2017, 1:05 pm

    His novel might be good for other reasons, but it doesn’t sound like he could say anything interesting about the conflict except by accident, unless it is a portrait of people like him who support Israel but don’t know much about the issues and haven’t given them much thought. Refusing to do research on a subject before writing a novel about it seems a bit strange to me.

    • Mooser
      September 10, 2017, 2:11 pm

      .” Refusing to do research on a subject before writing a novel about it seems a bit strange to me.”

      Well, a writer research his subject, but it’s much more efficient to research the audience. You only have to do that once.

  3. Kaisa of Finland
    September 9, 2017, 1:46 pm

    This birth-right-thing is always confusing for an outsider: There are lot of Palestinian refugees (and their decendants) living in the Nordic countries. And the question always stays the same: Where is their birth-right, when they can even show the exact place where their/their parents house used to be?

  4. Annie Robbins
    September 9, 2017, 2:19 pm

    that was a great read phil, why i love your mind and your writing.

    his answer — and fascinating downright bizarre. could someone less charismatic even get away with all that diversionary chit chat? oh my.

  5. Keith
    September 9, 2017, 3:33 pm

    PHIL- ” It was a young literary audience, and for 45 minutes or so he told stories about writing and Israel and sex and Jewishness, and filled the room with his charismatic energy.”

    Ah, the never ending celebration of Jewishness, including sex and Israel. It figures that Philip Roth would be mentioned.

    PHIL- “I began to wonder what this evening was about.”

    Why, it was about being Jewish and successful and sex and Israel and a more-or-less Judeocentric world view.

    • marc b.
      September 9, 2017, 4:59 pm

      Yes, I’ve heard him talk about his insular world view as a child (if I remember one of his short stories is from the perspective of a young Orthodox Jew, who, he tells us, doesn’t see difference when he looks at the surrounding world of catholic or other households, but sees ‘nothing’.). As an adult he’s swapped one claustrophobic bubble for another. Now he’s the cosmopolitan Jewish writer angling for a third passport who couldn’t conceive of the question of Palestinians being able to freely circulate in their own country. Nathan Englander, clever writer, still looking out at ‘nothing’.

  6. Liz
    September 9, 2017, 6:48 pm

    Love that Phil got the last question. So Englander has never had to think about taking a personal stand? He uses Israel as so many Zionist Jews do–as its muse, a playground that he can attach to and detach from when he chooses without really immersing himself in the reality of what is happening there.

  7. RoHa
    September 9, 2017, 11:44 pm

    “If there is a comma out of place I take to my fainting couch.”

    Wimp! Show your outrage! Rant at the perpetrator! Hound him/her/it with a stream of punctuation lessons. And harangue the populace about the decline of standards.

    Supine swooning won’t save the world.

    • Mooser
      September 10, 2017, 11:59 am

      That’s telling ’em, “RoHa”! To err is human, to forgive supine!

  8. Philip Weiss
    September 10, 2017, 9:45 am

    Ha!

  9. CigarGod
    September 10, 2017, 10:24 am

    His act seems perfectly designed for a “young literary audience.”
    Sometimes the young give me hope, other times they don’t.

  10. Ossinev
    September 11, 2017, 7:35 am

    Presumably Englander was obliged to do a stint in the most moral during his nostalgic sojourn in Zioland. Shame he wasn`t asked about the experience. As a writer of fiction his exploits against life threatening genocidal 8 year old stone throwing Palestinian children might have served up a blockbuster.

  11. JLewisDickerson
    September 13, 2017, 1:30 pm

    Oh to have “wide even rows of big white teeth” instead of the small, crappy, translucent, soft-enameled teeth of the English!

    P.S. “Oh to have…” – https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/178227/the-oh-to-have-expression

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