it leaves out the belief on the part of imperial powers in the role of Jewish influence at a time of world war, the perceived need by imperial leaders to get Jews on their side as an asset…. There is no sense here of Jewish agency; no mention of the fact that the Germans and the British were in competition for Jewish support, no sense of the role Jewish financiers had played in liberating Jews, including my grandfathers, from eastern Europe. And as for the colonial impulse, Britain wanted out of Palestine by ’47. But Jewish support for Zionism, and western Jewish lobbying on its behalf, often involving big political donors, is with us to this day.
in the climate present today in the UK, they’d probably get accused of anti semitism if they brought that up — an investigation started and kicked out of labour if they happen to be party members.
Matt McLaughlin
October 10, 2017 6:02 pm
I know half dozen academic sources stating Zionism NOT will of world’s Jews, 1917. So Id hafta disagree about the Balfour being self determined.
just
October 10, 2017 6:40 pm
Wow, my comment just went *poof*!
Good for these folks from IJV! It’s a wonderful start and I thank you very much for sharing this here, Phil.
The mountain that the US needs to climb to do something similar seem insurmountable, though. When you have a Senator like this (and too many more all over Capitol Hill, Pennsylvania Ave. and beyond) that seem to care more about Israel than the US and their own state’s constituents, it feels perfectly awful and abysmal. Has everyone seen this?
“Senator Schumer Slams Trump Over ‘Indecisiveness’ on U.S. Embassy Move to Jerusalem
The U.S. Senate minority leader calls on the president to keep his campaign promise to ‘show the world that the U.S. definitively acknowledges Jerusalem as Israel’s capital'”
Remember he’s the self- proclaimed ‘shomer’ for Israel:
“Schumer: I’m on a Mission From God (to Be Israel’s Guardian in Senate)
Sen. Chuck Schumer told a New York radio station last week that after the Obama administration hit Israel hard on its settlement policy, “I called up Rahm Emanuel and I called up the White House and I said, ‘If you don’t retract that statement you are going to hear me publicly blast you on this.’”
He added that there were two groups within the White House. One would give Israel the usual pass and the other wants the US to put pressure on Israel (and Palestinians).
“We’re pushing hard to make sure the right side wins and if not we’ll have to take it to the next step,” he said.
He concluded that God, himself, deputized him to be Israel’s man in the Senate:
“You know, my name …. comes from the word shomer, guardian, watcher. My ancestors were guardians of the ghetto wall in Chortkov. And I believe Hashem [Orthodox for God] actually gave me that name. One of my roles, very important in the United States senate, is to be a shomer — to be a or the shomer Yisrael. And I will continue to be that with every bone in my body …””
People need to vote these Israel- firsters out and seek justice and peace and life for the Palestinians and so many others that are being targeted. Tax- exempt status need to be removed from any church, synagogue, mosque, or other religious groups that proselytize and speak of politics on their premises.
I am quite sure that mosques are carefully surveilled and monitored in the US… not sure about others.
JWalters
October 10, 2017 6:53 pm
“There is no sense here of Jewish agency; no mention of the fact that the Germans and the British were in competition for Jewish support”
The pattern of “no mention” does indeed continue to this day. And it’s relevant to know that it has been a long-standing pattern. Balfour’s letter to Rothschild (aka “Balfour declaration”) was itself carefully crafted in secret, involving both the British and American governments..
Good to see the History re-visited. Unable to alter the facts, the Zionist narrative has endeavored to push History into the background but it remains the core of this problem.
Israel is a dysfunctional State in the same way a traumatized adolescent becomes delinquent – repressed memories of, say, parental abuse create a paradox – a conflict between experience and ideal. The traumatic event becomes unresolvable because “parents do not behave that way!” Resolution is impossible without clear acknowledgement of the facts by both parties.
Analogies are not valid arguments, they are simply illustrative. This one illustrates the nature of the problem as I see it. In my experience, no-one who becomes aware of the History of Palestine can remain unaware of a great injustice. While the Israeli education system continues to teach a false History, its behavior will become increasingly aberrant (as we are observing). As reality is more and more distorted, reactions become more unrealistic.
There is only one way out.
in the climate present today in the UK, they’d probably get accused of anti semitism if they brought that up — an investigation started and kicked out of labour if they happen to be party members.
I know half dozen academic sources stating Zionism NOT will of world’s Jews, 1917. So Id hafta disagree about the Balfour being self determined.
Wow, my comment just went *poof*!
Good for these folks from IJV! It’s a wonderful start and I thank you very much for sharing this here, Phil.
The mountain that the US needs to climb to do something similar seem insurmountable, though. When you have a Senator like this (and too many more all over Capitol Hill, Pennsylvania Ave. and beyond) that seem to care more about Israel than the US and their own state’s constituents, it feels perfectly awful and abysmal. Has everyone seen this?
“Senator Schumer Slams Trump Over ‘Indecisiveness’ on U.S. Embassy Move to Jerusalem
The U.S. Senate minority leader calls on the president to keep his campaign promise to ‘show the world that the U.S. definitively acknowledges Jerusalem as Israel’s capital'”
read more: https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.816713
Remember he’s the self- proclaimed ‘shomer’ for Israel:
“Schumer: I’m on a Mission From God (to Be Israel’s Guardian in Senate)
Sen. Chuck Schumer told a New York radio station last week that after the Obama administration hit Israel hard on its settlement policy, “I called up Rahm Emanuel and I called up the White House and I said, ‘If you don’t retract that statement you are going to hear me publicly blast you on this.’”
He added that there were two groups within the White House. One would give Israel the usual pass and the other wants the US to put pressure on Israel (and Palestinians).
“We’re pushing hard to make sure the right side wins and if not we’ll have to take it to the next step,” he said.
He concluded that God, himself, deputized him to be Israel’s man in the Senate:
“You know, my name …. comes from the word shomer, guardian, watcher. My ancestors were guardians of the ghetto wall in Chortkov. And I believe Hashem [Orthodox for God] actually gave me that name. One of my roles, very important in the United States senate, is to be a shomer — to be a or the shomer Yisrael. And I will continue to be that with every bone in my body …””
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/schumer-im-on-a-mission-f_b_560091.html
People need to vote these Israel- firsters out and seek justice and peace and life for the Palestinians and so many others that are being targeted. Tax- exempt status need to be removed from any church, synagogue, mosque, or other religious groups that proselytize and speak of politics on their premises.
I am quite sure that mosques are carefully surveilled and monitored in the US… not sure about others.
“There is no sense here of Jewish agency; no mention of the fact that the Germans and the British were in competition for Jewish support”
The pattern of “no mention” does indeed continue to this day. And it’s relevant to know that it has been a long-standing pattern. Balfour’s letter to Rothschild (aka “Balfour declaration”) was itself carefully crafted in secret, involving both the British and American governments..
The competition between the British and Germans for Jewish support in WWI, and its repercussions in WWII, is discussed by a highly placed eye-witness here.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm
Good to see the History re-visited. Unable to alter the facts, the Zionist narrative has endeavored to push History into the background but it remains the core of this problem.
Israel is a dysfunctional State in the same way a traumatized adolescent becomes delinquent – repressed memories of, say, parental abuse create a paradox – a conflict between experience and ideal. The traumatic event becomes unresolvable because “parents do not behave that way!” Resolution is impossible without clear acknowledgement of the facts by both parties.
Analogies are not valid arguments, they are simply illustrative. This one illustrates the nature of the problem as I see it. In my experience, no-one who becomes aware of the History of Palestine can remain unaware of a great injustice. While the Israeli education system continues to teach a false History, its behavior will become increasingly aberrant (as we are observing). As reality is more and more distorted, reactions become more unrealistic.
There is only one way out.