Newspaper ads offer employment help for new immigrants to Israel — but only if you’re Jewish

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Did the law in Britain and the United States allow apartheid South Africa to advertise job opportunities to white Britons and Americans that were not also available to those countries’ black citizens? And was it possible for the apartheid regime to hold “employment recruitment” sessions for whites-only in London and Manchester, in an effort to bolster its white population?

And even if British and US law allowed them to do such things, can we imagine that these practices would have passed without eliciting noisy protests outside the careers advice meetings and questions in each country’s legislature?

And yet this is exactly what is happening right now in the US and Europe in a different context: Israel. And so far there has been not a peep. Yes, Israel is singled out, but the exceptionalism works to its advantage, not to its detriment.

The Jewish Agency for Israel advertisement

The Jewish Agency, an international Zionist organisation with semi-governmental status in Israel, is currently publicising in the UK’s Jewish Chronicle newspaper job opportunities in Israel for British citizens – but only if they are Jews. Those interested can attend meetings in London and Manchester, organised by the Agency’s Global Service Centre.

Israel has been far more careful about concealing the nature of its apartheid policies than South Africa was. It therefore intentionally uses language as a tool of deception. Its racist ads do not explicitly refer to “Jews”, which might make the rest of us deeply uncomfortable. Instead, it adopts code words for “Jews” that only those who can benefit will understand.

‘Olim’ and the Law of Return

To decode this and similar adverts, we need to understand how Israel originally engineered an apartheid structure of citizenship, embedded in a piece of foundational legislation known as the 1950 Law of Return. It entitles every Jew in the world – but only Jews – to immigrate to Israel. Some three millions Jews have benefited from the legislation.

Separate legislation, the Citizenship Law of 1952, applies to non-Jews. Under pressure from the United Nations, Israel passed this additional law to allow a small number of Palestinians who managed to survive the mass expulsions of the 1948 war – or what Palestinians call the Nakba, Arabic for “Catastrophe” – to gain a belated Israeli citizenship. However, the same legislation denied them the right to bring any of the 750,000 Palestinian refugees who had been recently forced into exile, or their descendants, back to their homes in what had become the state of Israel. Many of these refugees continue to languish in camps across the Middle East.

For nearly seven decades, the Citizenship Law has prevented all forms of non-Jewish immigration to Israel, except one. Non-Jews can enter a lengthy naturalisation process, but only if they marry an Israeli citizen. In practice, only a few dozen non-Jews manage to get citizenship this way a year. And most Palestinians living outside Israel, and many citizens of Arab countries, are explicitly barred from this marriage route under a 2003 amendment to the Citizenship Law.

Meanwhile, under the Law of Return, many hundreds of thousands of Jews have immigrated to Israel. They are said to have made “aliyah”, the Hebrew word for “ascent”, suggesting that such Jews have responded to a Biblical commandment in moving to Israel. The Hebrew noun for Jews who “ascend” is “oleh” in the singular and “olim” in the plural. With this information, one can decode the Jewish Agency’s racist advertisement.

Not everyone can be ‘olim’

The headline asks British citizens whether they are “making aliyah” – in other words, whether they are entitled to come to Israel as a Jew under the Law of Return. This advert offers job opportunities only to them – or, as it states in the first line of text, to “British new olim”.

Here is the advert’s most deceptive line: “Any UK citizen interested in making Aliyah can now schedule a meeting with an employment adviser. Meetings are conducted regularly in London and Manchester.” That “Any UK citizen” sounds egalitarian, until one understands that the qualifier referring to “aliyah” means it applies only to Jews.

Similar advertisements are doubtless being published in the American and European media. Certainly, the Jewish Agency is offering migration and employment advice only to Jews in the United States and across Europe – and has done so for decades.

As Moshe Machover, a Israeli-British professor of logic who was recently expelled from the British Labour party, has noted, some of these jobs are likely to be in the settlements, built by Israel on Palestinian land and in violation of international law. Israel and the Jewish Agency are known to offer incentives to encourage new immigrants to head to the occupied territories. One recent survey found that about 12 percent of American Jews immigrating chose a West Bank settlement as their home.

Double standard

Contrast the laissez-faire attitude in Britain to these clearly racist ads with the crackdown last week on an advertising campaign intended for London’s underground. It would have highlighted Palestinian opposition to the Balfour Declaration, a promise by the British government exactly 100 years ago to create a Jewish “national home” in Palestine.

Transport for London rejected the ads because they “did not comply fully with our guidelines,” according to a spokesman. One clause reportedly allows bans in cases where “images or messages … relate to matters of public controversy or sensitivity”.

But, it seems, there is nothing controversial or sensitive about recruiting British Jews to Israel and the settlements, even as millions of Palestinians are still denied the right to return to their homes after nearly 70 years.

The world has largely turned a blind eye to apartheid legal regime inside Israel, often because it has not grasped the nature of the systematic and institutionalised segregation enforced by Israel – highlighted in nearly 70 laws that explicitly discriminate based on whether citizens are Jewish or not.

But at least those racist laws are enforced either inside Israel or in the occupied territories.

Here, we are talking about the complicity of western states in allowing racist adverts to be published and racist meetings to be held on their own soil, even though the fundamental tenets of their non-discrimination and equal opportunities legislation are surely being flouted. And still, not a word is being said about it.

About Jonathan Cook

Jonathan Cook won the Martha Gellhorn Special Prize for Journalism. His latest books are “Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East” (Pluto Press) and “Disappearing Palestine: Israel’s Experiments in Human Despair” (Zed Books). His new website is jonathan-cook.net.

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  1. Paranam Kid
    October 23, 2017, 1:03 pm

    Israel is getting bolder in its insolence & racism, while Europe is accepting ever more of the “country’s” garbage, turning a blind eye for pure fear of getting accused of antisemitism.

    • John O
      October 23, 2017, 1:33 pm

      Not sure if Europe’s weakness is true in this case.

      I’m sure the Chronicle’s lawyers have looked at this ad closely. It would not be acceptable as an ad for a job in Britain, but it is publicising potential jobs in a foreign country, and I have to admit I don’t know whether British laws on equal opportunities govern ads for jobs abroad.

      In any event, it’s also not advertising jobs directly, rather a service to advise potential immigrants what opportunities await them in Israel.

      • Paranam Kid
        October 25, 2017, 9:22 am

        I am not at all sure if the Chronicle’s lawyers have looked at the ad closely: why should they? If it would not be acceptable legally then they would be informed & duly amend or retract the ad, simple.

        I do believe it is to do with Europe’s, in this case the UK’s, weakness because Europe is failing to live up to its ethos of protecting human rights. UK governments have for a long time been pro-Israel, so little chance of changing anything there, never mind taking issue with the ad. In fact, if a number of people were to leave to take up employment in Israel so much the better for the UK government & its unemployment statistics.

        But the real issue is not advertising for jobs or a service, rather it is about taking an official, i.e. governmental, firm stance against Israel. And that is definitely lacking both in the Uk & throughout the rest of Europe.

      • RoHa
        October 25, 2017, 10:02 am

        ” If it were not acceptable legally then they would be informed …”

        They used to teach this in schools.

      • Paranam Kid
        October 26, 2017, 9:05 am

        @RoHa
        Don’t know what you mean. In any case, the lawyers don’t give a damn as long as they get away with it.

      • RoHa
        October 26, 2017, 9:54 am

        I mean that they used to teach the correct forms for conditional sentences in schools.

      • Paranam Kid
        October 27, 2017, 7:59 am

        @RoHa
        OK, sorry I misunderstood. I like to keep the grammar as clean & pure as I personally can. It is not always easy to do ;-)

      • Mooser
        October 27, 2017, 1:40 pm

        “I mean that they used to teach the correct forms for conditional sentences in schools.”

        I remember that, the rule was “Not one sentence out of you, under any conditions!”

  2. Ossinev
    October 23, 2017, 2:07 pm

    @ John O

    Have to agree with you on this. The appropriate UK Legislation / Guidelines presuppose advertising in relation to employment/potential employment in the UK with no mention I can find of employment/potential employment in a foreign country.

    Still it is a classic example of the growing and rampant Pro – Semitism (sic) within the Jewish media here in the UK . It would be interesting to know how many non blue eyed Aryan Jews get through the filtration process. I simply can`t imagine any British Jew with any significant skin darkening eg Arab or heaven forbid African background getting past the security guards at these meetings never mind through the initial “interview”. Yes Jews required but only the right kind of Jews (see above). If that were to be the case then I believe it might then legally become a question of racial discrimination being practiced in the UK ?

    • jon s
      October 25, 2017, 5:29 am

      Ossinev,
      “Aryan Jews”!?
      Is that some kind of joke?

      • Paranam Kid
        October 25, 2017, 9:23 am

        He obviously means Aryan-looking.

      • eljay
        October 25, 2017, 12:37 pm

        || jon s: Ossinev,
        “Aryan Jews”!?
        Is that some kind of joke? ||

        Only the way you tell it. Ossinev wrote: “non blue eyed Aryan Jews … any British Jew with any significant skin darkening … ”

        That sounds a lot less like the Nazi Aryan you’re screeching about and more like this sort of Aryan:

        … a term meaning “noble”, which was used as a self-designation by Indo-Iranian people. The word was used by the Indic people of the Vedic period in India as an ethnic label for themselves and to refer to the noble class as well as the geographic region known as Āryāvarta, where Indo-Aryan culture was based. … The closely related Iranian people also used the term as an ethnic label for themselves in the Avesta scriptures, and the word forms the etymological source of the country name Iran. …

        Since Jewish is a religion-based identity, there’s no reason Aryans can’t be Jewish.

      • John O
        October 25, 2017, 1:14 pm

        @eljay

        Fascinating. “Aryan” presumably (since it’s an Indo-European word) is related to “aristocrat” etc.

      • Mooser
        October 25, 2017, 4:06 pm

        “Since Jewish is a religion-based identity, there’s no reason Aryans can’t be Jewish.”

        Shoot, with our race-morphing abilities, we can fit in anywhere. A moth in Birmingham ain’t got nothin’ on us.

    • Paranam Kid
      October 25, 2017, 9:26 am

      Israel still has a numbers problem: not enough Jews to keep the demographic “threat” posed by the Palestinians under control. An Israel for just European Jews, the original zio project, long went out the window, and the import of Middle Eastern & North African Jews was started.

      So “Aryan” Jews (i.e. Aryan-looking) will not be a criterion.

    • Mooser
      October 25, 2017, 11:55 am

      “Is that some kind of joke?”

      Not at all. Please see “Jeff b’s” delineation of “white” and “non-white Jews”. Why can’t there be Ayran Jews? Best of both worlds, wouldn’t you say?

      • gamal
        October 25, 2017, 12:16 pm

        “Why can’t there be Ayran Jews?”

        Now I know what Joni was thinking and it’s because it’ll only add to all the ferment in this world, thats why.

        https://youtu.be/0YuaZcylk_o

      • Annie Robbins
        October 25, 2017, 1:12 pm

        one of the best songs ever

      • Mooser
        October 25, 2017, 1:15 pm

        ” it’ll only add to all the ferment in this world, thats why.”

        Like that 20 lbs. of shredded cabbage turning into sauerkraut in a crock under my kitchen table. When it’s ready we’ll process it into jars.

      • Mooser
        October 25, 2017, 1:19 pm

        “one of the best songs ever”

        I remember that album. Liked it very much.

      • Mooser
        October 25, 2017, 1:37 pm

        BTW, watch her when she was “Joanie Anderson” on the CBC program “Sing Out”.

  3. amigo
    October 23, 2017, 2:56 pm

    This discrimination is rife in so called democratic Israel.

    Example!!.

    “If you have made Aliyah:

    If you are here after having made Aliyah then, contacting the agency which brought you here can be quite useful as some agencies also try to arrange the first job for you. An even more auspicious fact is that the government subsidizes the salaries of Olim besides the fact that many employers also advertise jobs while trying to target the Olim readers looking to find jobs in Israel.”

    https://movingtoisrael.org/how-find-jobs-israel

  4. JosephA
    October 23, 2017, 6:32 pm

    Palestinians need to convert to Judaism en masse to expose the fraud of zionism. Let’s see if the white zionists in charge in Israel let dark, native, Palestinian Jews make aliyah!?

    • Paranam Kid
      October 25, 2017, 9:27 am

      Palestinians are not allowed to convert.

      • aloeste
        October 26, 2017, 9:05 pm

        this is a patent lie. the haredi press has the rare story of an arab ger tzedek; but you know that it involves years of study, kabalas ol mitzvos , and carries the death penalty in islam

      • Annie Robbins
        October 26, 2017, 9:37 pm

        this is a patent lie

        ‘PALESTINIAN REQUESTS TO CONVERT TO JUDAISM REJECTED AUTOMATICALLY’
        http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-requests-to-convert-to-Judaism-rejected-automatically-449987

        Israel’s authority handling conversions to Judaism rejects Palestinian applicants without review because of their ethnic origin, its head said.

        Rabbi Yitzhak Peretz, director of the Israeli government’s Conversion Authority, spoke about his organization’s handling of requests by Palestinians to convert on Tuesday during a discussion on conversions at the State Control Committee of the Knesset, the Israeli parliament, the news site NRG reported.

        To initiate an officially recognized conversion to Judaism in Israel, foreigners need to apply to the special cases panel of the Conversion Authority.

        “The threshold requirements” to be considered by the special cases panel, he said, “are that applicants be sincere and that they are not foreign workers; infiltrators; Palestinian or illegally in the country.” In 2014, he added, the special cases committee received 400 applications. “Half of the applicants were accepted, the rest were rejected as foreign workers, infiltrators, illegal stayers and Palestinians,” he said.

      • Paranam Kid
        October 27, 2017, 8:10 am

        Thank you Annie :-)

      • Annie Robbins
        October 28, 2017, 5:20 pm

        my pleasure paranam kid

    • Jack Green
      October 25, 2017, 11:54 am

      JosephA

      Israelis went to Africa & brought back thousands of Ethiopian Jews.
      Ethiopian Jews are much darker than Palestinians.

      All other countries that went to Africa & brought back Africans, brought them back to be slaves. Israel is the only country that brought back Africans to be citizens.

      • Marnie
        October 25, 2017, 2:08 pm

        Hey there Jack. And they left thousands behind. I know some that were spit on in the street. They brought them here to serve as a permanent underclass, to give the mizrahi jews something to feel superior about. They are citizens that are treated like the bastard child at the family reunion. Israeli MK declared israel is for white people. You’ve got to work a bit harder – maybe you need a hasbara refresher course.

      • just
        October 25, 2017, 5:31 pm

        You funny, Jack!

        “Israel Extends No Warm Welcome to Ugandan Jews, Using Technicality to Deny Visas

        Interior Ministry drgging its feet, citing an unforeseen bureaucratic technicality to in effect reject their conversions to Judaism

        Jewish converts from Uganda have in recent months encountered severe difficulties obtaining visas to study and live in Israel despite having obtained official status as a recognized community. Because of an unforeseen bureaucratic technicality, their conversions to Judaism have effectively been rejected.

        The Abayudaya community split from Christianity in the early 20th century when its members began self-identifying as Jews and observing Jewish laws and customs. In 2002, a rabbinical court sent to Uganda by the Conservative movement formally converted most of the 1,500-strong community. Since 2009, the community has had its own rabbi. …

        … The Ministry of Interior, however, has refused to approve requests to immigrate to Israel or study in Israel from members of the community who converted before 2009 – in other words, before the Abayudaya were officially recognized as a Jewish community.

        “It would appear that a combination of racial prejudice, a bias against non-Orthodox conversion, a failure to issue timely decisions as demanded by the criteria of the Interior Ministry, and a structure where the responsibility to resolve the issues relating to immigration and the issuing of student visas is passed from on person to the next, has, sadly, left these Jews seeking to live or study in Israel, in limbo,” said Rabbi Andy Sacks, director of the Rabbinical Assembly of the Conservative movement in Israel. …”

        read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.818222

        (Marnie~ many thanks for your informed comments…)

    • jon s
      October 26, 2017, 6:38 am

      Paranam kid,
      Nonsense.
      Where did you come up with that?

      • Paranam Kid
        October 27, 2017, 8:12 am

        @jon s
        Sorry, don’t know what you mean.

      • jon s
        October 28, 2017, 4:40 pm

        Paranam kid,
        I was referring to your comment that Palestinians are not allowed to convert.

        Meanwhile Annie provided a link regarding such a policy, something that I was not aware of. So I stand corrected .

  5. JeffB
    October 24, 2017, 6:33 am

    OK reality time. The Jewish agency is active in Muslim countries. They started dealing with large numbers of Mizrahi Jews in 1947 and the 1951 influx of 130k Iraqi Jews they handled. They did a lot to help move the Iranian Jews in the last generation. They are active in India where they are working with the Bnei Menasheh community to move 7000 Indian Jews. So all the comments about skin color are racism are simply nonsense. The Jewish Agency is not racist in the slightest. I have no idea where you people get these crazy ideas.

    Anyway in terms of the legality of this… in the 1970s it was ruled that Arab foreign contracting restrictions on Jews were perfectly legal under UK law. Kuwait pushed the issue against Rothschild, Warberg and Lazard Freres.that they needed to be excluded from all financing deals. That discrimination was going to be occurring inside the UK not in a 3rd country but on behalf of a country. So your predecessor anti-Zionists already established far worse than this is perfectly legal.

    • echinococcus
      October 24, 2017, 9:38 am

      Could the Jeff genius be as slow, in reality, as he pretends to be?

      This here has nothing to do with white racism in itself. The subject is open, in-your-face criminal Apartheid just exactly as it is the law of the land in the Zionist entity; the words “White” and “Black” refer to the prototype of Apartheid, from the Zionist colony’s twin the Boer colony of Weizmann’s bosom friend Jan Smuts; in the context of the Zionist colony they mean Jewish and Non-jewish. So here, Jewish is the new White.
      My 4-year-old granddaughter gets it at the first pass.

      Besides, and not independently but separately from the JA shenanigans, the Zionist entity is obviously the last country on earth where anti-black racism is allowed to be blatant, public and unrestricted. And murderous. Just ask John S about the Ethiopian recently lynched by his buddies in his township.

      • Mooser
        October 24, 2017, 1:23 pm

        ” the Ethiopian recently lynched”

        “Terrorist attack in Beersheva this evening.
        My family and I are ok, thank God.” “Jon s” October 18, 2015, 4:59 pm

      • Jack Green
        October 25, 2017, 12:01 pm

        There are 60 million refugees.
        ZERO are Jews because Israel takes in all Jews.
        Israel has been a great success with refugees.
        Gentile countries have been an enormous failure with refugees.
        60 million gentile refugees are suffering.

        Before complaining about Israeli immigration policies,
        let’s see the gentile countries take care of the 60 million gentile refugees.

      • Mooser
        October 25, 2017, 12:20 pm

        Whoa, “Jack” got his refilled, too!

      • John O
        October 25, 2017, 1:17 pm

        @Jack Green

        All those refugees on Israel’s Syrian border. Is there something wrong with them that prevents Israel from taking them in? Germany has taken a lot of them in, Israel not so many.

      • Jack Green
        October 25, 2017, 7:50 pm

        John O

        Syria attacked Israel in 1948, 1967 & 1973 & is still technically at war with Israel.

        According to the Anti-Defamation League Survey, antisemitism is extremely high in Arab countries.

      • John O
        October 27, 2017, 3:11 am

        @Jack Green

        Small correction – Israel attacked its neighbours in 1948, 1956 and 1967.

      • Jack Green
        October 27, 2017, 8:54 pm

        John O

        Evidence that Israel attacked its neighbors in 1948?

    • Marnie
      October 24, 2017, 9:41 am

      Reality time? What do you know about reality? And again you speak volumes about topics you know nothing about. “So all the comments about skin color are racism are simply nonsense. The Jewish Agency is not racist in the slightest. I have no idea where you people get these crazy ideas.” Here you demonstrate your notion that one room in the jewish home can be filthy and unliveable but it doesn’t affect the rest of the structure. You are dead wrong, again. No one has to prove what has been proven already again and again on these pages. Israeli racism is very well-documented. It’s up to you to prove it isn’t JeffBee and with more than hasbara.

      • Mooser
        October 24, 2017, 12:43 pm

        “Reality time?”

        Remember this one?:

        “I can remember the first time I walked into a crappy restaurant and there was a Jewish sink (two handed cups and towels for netilat yadayim). Or having the time of the 3rd star at bus stops. Or people who have no idea its Christmas while every year my life has to revolve around this holiday I don’t celebrate (Christmas time- Bah! Humbug!). And of course the immense pride in seeing a Jewish army.” “Jeff b”

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 24, 2017, 2:17 pm

        “Christmas, while every year my life has to revolve around this holiday I don’t celebrate (Christmas time- Bah! Humbug!)”

        Must be a traumatic experience in one’s life: Christmas – and think: Every year!!

      • Mooser
        October 24, 2017, 2:47 pm

        Well, “Marnie” like “Jeffy B” says:

        .” There are some real upsides to having your religion be the state religion. Especially a religion like Judaism which is a PIA to practice.” “Jeff b”February 17, 2015, 4:56 pm

        I believe “a PIA” is short for ” a Pain In the Ass”.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 24, 2017, 3:35 pm

        Moose:

        BTW, in Israel, I did not get traumatized at all, eventhough in Sukkot we had to use the stairs (instead of the elevator) back and forth from the 11th floor to bring all the food outside to the garden :) Maybe I thought God was a bit funny making us to do so, but we* had fun anyway, so I only have some warm memories about that..

        *”the young ones”

        (This was before “my Israelian bubble” got broken..)

      • RoHa
        October 24, 2017, 8:35 pm

        “Must be a traumatic experience in one’s life: Christmas”

        Mooser tells us it’s the Christmas tree lights that do it. When Yonah sees them, he hisses, draws back, and covers his face with his cloak.

      • yonah fredman
        October 24, 2017, 11:09 pm

        I always consider it junior high school when someone mentions my name out of the blue, so welcome to junior high school.

        Christmas is a great holiday, but not such a good holiday for Jews, as in: the equanimity that assimilation and continuity can proceed hand in hand without producing alienation, while true much of the year is not true at Christmastime.

      • eljay
        October 25, 2017, 9:08 am

        || yonah fredman: … Christmas is a great holiday, but not such a good holiday for Jews, as in: the equanimity that assimilation and continuity can proceed hand in hand without producing alienation, while true much of the year is not true at Christmastime. ||

        One can only imagine what Jewish holidays in an unapologetically religion-supremacist “Jewish State” must feel like to the second-class-citizen non-Jews who comprise 20% of Israel’s population.

      • Mooser
        October 25, 2017, 11:30 am

        ” the equanimity that assimilation and continuity can proceed hand in hand without producing alienation, while true much of the year is not true at Christmastime.”

        I’m telling you, those damn Gentile kids sneak up to the window and blow out my Menorah!

      • RoHa
        October 26, 2017, 3:16 am

        Yonah, I don’t know what you mean with your comment about junior high school.

        But I do find that the suggestion that Christmas is alienating for Jews seems a bit odd.
        The original idea of the festival (to celebrate the turn of the year) seems simply benign.
        The Christians added the idea that it was a celebration of the birthday of Jesus. Christians, Muslims, anti-Christian atheists, and Japanese luke-warm Buddhist/Shintoists find this idea no obstacle to having fun, even if they do not believe the Christian claims about Jesus. So why should Jews find it off-putting?

      • Marnie
        October 26, 2017, 8:10 am

        (Christmas time- Bah! Humbug!)

        Think of the barbecues you could have started. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51fb02e3e4b0608e46483955/t/55ee30b4e4b0b3e65acec6aa/1441673399468/

        the jewish army you love so much – is this the one JeffBee?

      • Mooser
        October 26, 2017, 6:31 pm

        “But I do find that the suggestion that Christmas is alienating for Jews seems a bit odd.”

        Some Jews have struggled to relate to Christmas, and perhaps they do, but not in a way other Americans can relate to. “By far the most recorded Christmas song is “White Christmas” by Irving Berlin (born Israel Isidore Beilin in Russia)—who also wrote “Happy Holiday”

        Approximately half of the 25 best-selling Christmas songs were written by Jewish composers, including:
        “Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow!” by Sammy Cahn (born Cohen) and Jule Styne (who also wrote “The Christmas Waltz” together)
        “Winter Wonderland” (composer Felix Bernard was born Felix William Bernhardt)
        “The Christmas Song (Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire)” by Robert Wells (born Levinson) and Mel Tormé
        “Sleigh Ride” (lyricist Mitchell Parish was born Michael Hyman Pashelinsky in Lithuania)
        “It’s the Most Wonderful Time of the Year” (composer George Wyle was born Bernard Weissman)
        “Silver Bells” by Jay Livingston (born Jacob Levinson) and Ray Evans
        “(There’s No Place Like) Home for the Holidays” by Bob Allen (born Robert Allen Deitcher) and Al Stillman (born Albert Silverman)
        “I’ll Be Home for Christmas” by Walter Kent (born Walter Kauffman) and Buck Ram (born Samuel).[33][34][35][36]
        “Santa Baby” by Joan Ellen Javits (Zeeman), niece of Senator Jacob Javits, and Philip Springer.[37]
        “Baby, It’s Cold Outside” by Frank Loesser”

        Oh, don’t forget Leiber and Stoller, who wrote “Santa Claus is Back in Town”.

      • RoHa
        October 26, 2017, 7:50 pm

        Now those are real songs with real melodies. I particularly like “Santa Baby”.

        But, alas, I’m pretty sure that Jews writing Xmas songs counts as cultural appropriation, and that’s a Bad Thing.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 26, 2017, 9:26 pm

        Moose:

        “Approximately half of the 25 best-selling Christmas songs were written by Jewish composers..”

        Now that is an intersting detail!! Who would not have heard many of those songs sang by Bing Crosby..

        For me Christmas is about silence and peace of mind and it did not make me feel less Christmas, having other people celebrating Hanuka at the same time (when I was in Israel). We were all lighting(?) the candles anyway.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 26, 2017, 9:38 pm

        Translation in English:

        I Make Christmas Into My Heart

        “It’s Christmas night, I listen to its silence alone
        And the language of my heart is wordless
        Only stars adorn the nocturnal space by shining
        And an open mind longs for eternity

        (Chorus x2:)
        Like this I make Christmas into my heart and to a silent mind
        Jesus child is born again

        It’s Christmas night and the land is dressed in a snow veil,
        If only I could be as pure
        It gets thoughts tuned to the feel of Christmas
        Like a heartfelt melody would play inside of me

        (Chorus x2)

        It’s Christmas night, its deep peace floats into innermost
        Like I would be a part of the great universe
        Only candles and gold ribbons glow into the dark,
        But my mind is full of brightness..”

        (The lyrics are in form of a poem, so the translation is what it is..)

        I see no reason why we could not all fit here(on the Earth) side by side with our different traditions.

        (Only barbecuing in the Christmas time in Finland might be fatal..)

        http://www.visitrovaniemi.fi/wp-content/uploads/visit-rovaniemi-sights-attractions-santa-claus-village.jpg

      • yonah fredman
        October 27, 2017, 4:39 am

        RoHa- regarding 7th grade, all i can say, is “duh.”

        i think the path that i described, was quite specific, as in those who wish with equanimity to partake of two opposing ideas: assimilation and continuity, and somehow combine the push and pull of the two year round, during the run up to Christmas, a time of year that says, “Christian” in its name, is not a time of equanimity regarding the push and pull of assimilation and continuity. I cannot speak to nonJews, although I betcha Diaspora Muslims in America have a problem with Christmas, knowing that their allegiance to monotheism is. In fact, Islam, is precisely wise in regards to Jesus, regarding him in a nonhuman fashion, but nondivine, so any commemoration of Jesus is not in itself offensive to Islam. Christianity was birthed in a schism from Judaism and to combine any other religion’s relationship with Christianity with Judaism’s inherent relationship (mother and daughter) with Christianity is just sophomoric game playing.

        The diaspora existence was different in other ages, so i cannot be sure what was handed down to my grandparents, but in europe in the early 1900’s, the jews, though living in a christian society were a people apart in regard to religion. maybe that was going on hundreds of years, i really don’t know much about the parents of my grandparents let alone a couple generations back, that is historical speculation, but I come from a people that is used to being apart from the customs of the land in regards to god worship. particularly the jesus god worship.

        my attitude towards jesus is quite favorable. the new testament is nicht ahin and nicht aher, meaning just so-so, containing much wisdom and blaming the jews or not quite blaming all the jews for the primary death of the godlike figure, so the book is a mixed bag. but i can allow myself to imagine jesus in my own image and he is certainly quite different from the hollywood image and whatever “father, son,” stuff that he spoke about, that doesn’t discourage me from developing a jesus as hero, or shall we say, a flawed protagonist, i conjure him up over the years. and so jesus as thorn, as gadfly, as heckler, as radical, as otherworldly at times, of extreme presence in the moment at other times, as depressed, as knowing martyr, is a vexing personality that is worthy of contemplation.

        as regards paganism, my attitude is also far more liberal than once upon a time. humans seek the divine in nature, see it in nature, and paganism is a natural expression of the human experience. but i was raised that this is not my custom and the few times that i have attempted to participate in the christmas of others, i have felt the alienation, of “this is not my holiday, it’s your holiday, not mine.”

        when i walk down the street and see a fine display of christmas lights of the right color combination, some reptilian part of my brain, my childhood brain awakens, to the vicarious pleasure i allowed myself to take in christmas lights of particular light patterns when i was a kid, so just like looking at box scores (hockey box scores) stimulates a pleasant childhood memory part of my brain, a similar part of my brain is stimulated by christmas lights, and so there is vicarious participation in that sense.

        I get a big kick out of white christmas written by a yid. a big kick. and i have done a lot of thinking about the character of santa claus. just as i flesh out the historical jesus in my own image, i flesh out santa claus in my own image as well and consider him a major icon of my yearly cycle. i imagine a depressed santa, where the selfish elves have taken over the north pole and fired most of the workers in north pole, alaska and santa who has signed it over to the banks because of disorganization, now is a mere figurehead, whereas the place is run by selfish elves. so i’ve given much thought to santa.

        i find the ebb and flow of assimilation and continuity or attempts at continuity among american jews to be a fascinating dynamic.

      • Mooser
        October 27, 2017, 12:07 pm

        “But, alas, I’m pretty sure that Jews writing Xmas songs counts as cultural appropriation, and that’s a Bad Thing.”

        It’s cultural Zionism, I tell ya’.

      • Mooser
        October 27, 2017, 12:43 pm

        “i imagine a depressed santa, where the selfish elves have taken over …” “yonah”

        “Yonah” there’s no point in stealing from SJ Perelman, I’ll bust you every time. That’s “Waiting for Santy”

        A CHRISTMAS PLAYLET

        (With a Bow to Mr. Clifford Odets)

        Scene: The sweatshop of S. Claus, a manufacturer of children’s toys, on North Pole Street.
        Time: The night before Christmas.

        Elf Riskin: (filing a Meccano girder, bitterly)— A parasite*
        a leech, a bloodsucker— altogether a five-star nogoodnick!
        Starvation wages we get so he can ride around in a red
        team with reindeers!

        Elf Ruskin (jeering) —Hey, Karl Marx, whyn’tcha hire a
        hall?”… (cont. to text)

      • Mooser
        October 27, 2017, 12:56 pm

        “I get a big kick out of white christmas written by a yid. a big kick”

        Yup, that’s Irving Berlin. “A yid” who wrote “White Christmas”! A broch tzu Columbus!

      • Mooser
        October 27, 2017, 2:37 pm

        “my attitude towards jesus is quite favorable”

        Oh, so that’s why I hear all those bells, and the pipe organs are roaring in the cathedrals! Jesus is just all right with “yonah”!

      • RoHa
        October 28, 2017, 6:41 am

        So your attitude to Christmas comes from the way you choose to think of it. And that isn’t even the healthy curmudgeon attitude of Scrooge (poor man, bullied into submission by those ghosts) but just more of the usual Yonah whining.

      • Mooser
        October 28, 2017, 3:19 pm

        “So your attitude to Christmas comes from the way you choose to think of it”

        “yonah” once took a Rorschach test, and kept on asking the psychologist why he insisted on showing him all those dirty pictures.

      • gamal
        October 28, 2017, 4:24 pm

        “So your attitude to Christmas comes from the way you choose to think of it”

        you old stoic,

        “What really frightens and dismays us is not external events themselves, but the way in which we think about them. It is not things that disturb us, but our interpretation of their significance.”

        ― Epictetus

      • Mooser
        October 28, 2017, 4:55 pm

        Santa: “Boys, do you know what day tomorrow is?”

        Gnomes: (Santa fired all the Elves)— “Christmas!”

        Claus:— “Correct. When you look in your envelopes to-night, you’ll find a little present from me— a forty-percent pay cut.”

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 28, 2017, 6:41 pm

        Moose:

        “Santa: “Boys, do you know what day tomorrow is?”

        You know, all Finns might not believe in God, but we all believe that Santa Claus lives in Finnish Lapland in a place called Korvatunturi and from there travels to all over the world to share gifts to every child. (And there is no religion involved in that story, so it is not like Santa would first ask one’s religion before giving his gifts..)

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 28, 2017, 6:47 pm

        “Working for Santa Claus” (From an animated cartoon called Santa Claus and the Magic Drum)

      • RoHa
        October 29, 2017, 5:11 am

        Well done, gamal.

        Ten points to Gryffindor.

        For a further ten points, find equally apposite quotes from Confucius or the Buddha.

        (They won’t stop Yonah from seeing everything in terms of Jewish victimhood, but the rest of us will enjoy them. )

      • gamal
        October 29, 2017, 9:42 am

        “Ten points to Gryffindor”

        oh I say, I am sure I don’t know what you are implying.

        “They won’t stop Yonah from seeing everything in terms of Jewish victimhood”

        Look at you Mr Fancy Pants in your red cardigan and baubles with your tankards of egg nog and gluhwein importuning women under the mistletoe, what have you got to be so happy about do you know what Jews do at Christmas, Mr Jingle bells its all stale matzos and cold kreplach water and angst.

        I spend the holiday drunk from morning to night, so as not to offend Christ, well the Muslims can’t stop me and of course studying Epictetus’ manual. (cut & paste, damn, there is always the risk you will be found out, next rounds on me then its only fair)

      • RoHa
        October 31, 2017, 2:50 am

        “do you know what Jews do at Christmas, Mr Jingle bells its all stale matzos and cold kreplach water and angst.”

        Damn good reason for Yonah to relax and get a bit of Christmas spirit.
        ($32.95 a bottle at Liquorland.)

        Perhaps we could hire three ghosts to visit him.

    • Keith
      October 24, 2017, 11:47 am

      JEFFB- “The Jewish Agency is not racist in the slightest. I have no idea where you people get these crazy ideas.”

      I assume that you are Ashkenazi?

      • Mooser
        October 25, 2017, 11:34 am

        “I assume that you are Ashkenazi?”

        Well, considering their standards for Jewish lineage, who did you think they ashked?

  6. hophmi
    October 24, 2017, 9:45 am

    Literally the dumbest thing I have read all day. And the most disingenuous. First of all, Jonathan Cook provides no evidence that non-Jewish emigres to Israel would have any more trouble finding employment than Jews. The ad doesn’t say that or suggest it. So professional pro-Palestinian advocate Jonathan Cook is lying. Second, the number of non-Jewish immigrants is virtually zero. Third, Jews are not a race, so policies that favor Jews are not racist. Fourth, there is much greater discrimination against religious and ethnic minorities everywhere else in the Middle East. Fifth, there is greater racism toward new immigrants in Europe than there is in Israel; Europe is electing neo-Fascist after neo-Fascist right now.

    Cook has written another article that is garbage, in every way.

    • Marnie
      October 24, 2017, 10:27 am

      Whataboutery and denial, the zionist dipso duo. Whoops, forgot ad hominem attacks so that, whataboutery and denial, the zionist trifecta of trash.

    • Keith
      October 24, 2017, 11:42 am

      HOPHMI- “First of all, Jonathan Cook provides no evidence that non-Jewish emigres to Israel would have any more trouble finding employment than Jews. The ad doesn’t say that or suggest it. So professional pro-Palestinian advocate Jonathan Cook is lying. Second, the number of non-Jewish immigrants is virtually zero.”

      What an outrageous comment. There are virtually no non-Jewish immigrants but Jonathan Cook (your moral and intellectual superior, by the way) doesn’t provide evidence that these non-existent non-Jews would have trouble finding employment? Only a pilpul spouting lawyer could concoct such an illogical statement.

      The whole point of the article was that Israel was recruiting Jews to make aliyah without actually saying that it was JEWS they were recruiting. They were using code words understood by most Jews but few Gentiles to hide the fact that Goyim need not apply. And yes, it is a form of racist descrimination insofar as who qualifies as a Jew is usually determined by lineage. Duh.

      HOPHMI- “…Europe is electing neo-Fascist after neo-Fascist right now.”

      How many times have I pointed out that US/Israel support for the Ukrainian neo-Nazis has consequences? How many times have I pointed out that neoliberalism and militarism has consequences? Where were all of you Zionist Nazi hunters when Reinhard Gehlen was made the first head of the West German BND?

      • echinococcus
        October 24, 2017, 7:10 pm

        and, Hopp, “by lineage” means racist, period, no matter how much you repeat “it’s not a race”. You are using the same criteria as Messrs. Rosenberg and Hitler, so get used to it.

      • Mooser
        October 25, 2017, 11:35 am

        “Echin” if you want to know about Jewish lineage, just Ashkenazi!

    • Mooser
      October 24, 2017, 11:53 am

      “Literally the dumbest thing I have read all day.”

      At 9:45 am? The day is yet young and there’s much more dumbness to come.

      • Mooser
        October 24, 2017, 12:29 pm

        Look what 10:00 am brings us! Sufficient unto the day is the dumbness thereof.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 24, 2017, 2:14 pm

        Mooser:

        “At 9:45 am? The day is yet young and there’s much more dumbness to come..”

        Thanks Moose, you gave me the best laugh of the day :) (And it is 9.18 pm here already :) )

      • Mooser
        October 24, 2017, 3:55 pm

        ” (And it is 9.18 pm here already :) )”

        Daylight hours getting short here, and I imagine, even shorter for you, being further north. I just keep telling myself “you must believe in spring”.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 24, 2017, 4:27 pm

        Moose:

        “You must believe in spring..”

        :) And burning a huge amount of candles..

        (Here in South the day will be less than 6 h in it’s shortest in December, but up in the North, they’ll have several moths without daylight.. I do not know how they cope, but I quess people get used to everything – just think about the Inuits in the Greenland.. )

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 24, 2017, 4:52 pm

        And before Echi gets here:

        ..in ITS shortest!!

        (I have no idea when I’ve started to write “its” “it’s”, when “it’s” should rather be “it is”, but I am trying to remember it now!!)

      • Mooser
        October 24, 2017, 5:08 pm

        ” to write “its” “it’s”,”

        I had bad “its” and it’s” habits myself until “RoHa” insisted I tow the rope.

      • gamal
        October 24, 2017, 6:32 pm

        ” “its” “it’s”, ”

        It’s why when Mika Waltari wrote “The Egyptian” he only used the definite article in its title.

        slick eh.

        it’s so wet dark and hurricane ravaged here and some one removed a massive fallen tree across my remote boreen i have no idea who my benefactor was, the people here are very kind but shy, now i will have interrogate everyone, they might have seen me fall off it, chainsaw in hand, by the time i got back to it the 60ft ivy covered massive Ash had hopped the ditch and is sitting in the field, clearing my road, it’s a ways from the house I saw no one heard no machine.

        i think the farmer thinks that i am a special needs adult, requiring gentle non-intrusive support, because they wouldn’t leave me stranded, it goes without saying. Ordinary people often shame me by their extraordinary kindness, I am ghetto scum if you fall in front of me I’ll step over you and I won’t look back.

      • amigo
        October 24, 2017, 6:40 pm

        “it’s”, when “it’s” should rather be “it is”, but I am trying to remember it now!!)” Kaisa

        In Ireland we don,t do it,s or it is .We simply say –” tis ”

        Eg , Tis a grand day and I am told , tis going to be even grander.

        Try that –tis much easier.

      • echinococcus
        October 24, 2017, 7:07 pm

        Kaisa,

        No worries, I try never to offer unsolicited advice re spelling –it doesn’t pay.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 24, 2017, 7:43 pm

        “It’s why when Mika Waltari wrote “The Egyptian” he only used the definite article in its title..”

        And as some commentators here might have noticed, in Finnish we do not have definite or undefinite articles at all, so I am using them as wild as I use commas when writing in English. And in Finnish “The Egyptian” is called “Sinuhe egyptiläinen”. (In Finnish only proper nouns are written with capital letter – like the first word of a sentence – which might also be seen in my written English, when I am mixing or forgetting or just not being precise..)

      • RoHa
        October 24, 2017, 8:16 pm

        It depends on what you’re doing with it. It’s “it’s” when it’s the contraction of “it is”. When it’s its possessive, it’s “its”.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 24, 2017, 8:53 pm

        echi:

        ” I try never to offer unsolicited advice re spelling ..”

        Why not?? I don’t mind!! Ask RoHa, if I’ve gotten better with my would/if sentences. At least I have tried :)

        “Minua ei haittaisi, jos antaisit minulle neuvoja miten kirjoittaa sanoja englanniksi.”*

        “I would not mind, if you gave me advice on how to write words in English.”

        *would= – isi

        Minä = I (minua = to me), ei = no, haitata = matter + -isi = would (= haittaisi), jos = if, antaa = to give (annat = you give/antaisit = you would give), minulle = to me, neuvoja = advices (singular= neuvo), miten = how, kirjoittaa = to write, sanoja = words (singular = sana), englanniksi = in English.

        I just simply love languages, so feel free to correct me, when ever you feel like it! :)

      • RoHa
        October 24, 2017, 8:54 pm

        ““You must believe in spring..”

        “If winter comes, can spring be far behind?” asked Shelly. And those who have lived in Scandinavia answer, “Yes, it damned well can.”

      • echinococcus
        October 25, 2017, 12:39 am

        Kaisa,

        Thanks.
        Excellent translation, by the way.

      • Mooser
        October 25, 2017, 11:42 am

        “If winter comes, can spring be far behind?” asked Shelly.”

        Say what? Marilyn and Alan Bergman stole that line from Shelley?

      • Mooser
        October 25, 2017, 2:13 pm

        “RoHa” , if you ask me, (and really, why wouldn’t you?) the English words to the Chanson des Maxence are much better than the ‘when-my-dreamboat-sails-home’ French lyrics in the movie.
        Hey, but what a melody, and what chord progressions! Like this:

        First B phrase: G#m7(b5), C#7(b9), F#m7(b5) , Em, A7 Dmaj7.
        Second B : G#m7(b5), C#7(b9), Gm7 (b5), C7(b9), Fm7, Bb7, Ebmaj7!

        Try it over on your own pianola sometime.

      • RoHa
        October 25, 2017, 7:40 pm

        ” Marilyn and Alan Bergman stole that line from Shelley?”

        Or he from them.

      • RoHa
        October 25, 2017, 7:45 pm

        “Hey, but what a melody,”

        There’s a melody?

      • Mooser
        October 26, 2017, 4:48 pm

        “There’s a melody?”

        Yeah, barely discernible, but it’s there, if you listen for it.

      • RoHa
        October 26, 2017, 7:43 pm

        Nope. One helping of dreary French droning is enough.

      • Mooser
        October 27, 2017, 2:41 pm

        “dreary French droning”

        Another slam on Aristide Cavaillé-Coll and his reed stops.

    • John O
      October 24, 2017, 1:06 pm

      @hophmi

      “Jonathan Cook provides no evidence that non-Jewish emigres to Israel would have any more trouble finding employment than Jews.”

      OK. How about this (it took me about three minutes to find via Google):

      http://www.justlanded.com

      “It is difficult for foreigners to find jobs in Israel. …

      If you plan on immigrating (aliyah) as a Jew, you will have more help finding a job.”

      • Jackdaw
        October 24, 2017, 2:42 pm

        Israeli hi tech companies hiring 500 non-Jews to make up for job shortages.

        https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-to-hire-foreign-hi-tech-workers-to-stave-off-manpower-drought/

      • John O
        October 24, 2017, 2:49 pm

        @Jackdaw

        So you admit their first priority is to discriminate in favour of Jews and start hiring non-Jews when they get desperate.

      • Mooser
        October 24, 2017, 3:20 pm

        “Israeli hi tech companies hiring 500 non-Jews to make up for job shortages.”

        Huh? A shortage of Israeli’s to fill high-tech jobs? How could that be?

      • amigo
        October 24, 2017, 4:52 pm

        “Here in South the day will be less than 6 h in it’s shortest in December, but up in the North, they’ll have several moths without daylight..” Kaisa.

        Don,t complain , the zionists spend their whole life in darkness with no daylight at the end of their tunnel (vision) .

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 24, 2017, 5:19 pm

        Amigo:

        “Don,t complain..”

        :) And I won’t. I have actually always loved this dark autumn/early winter with lots of candles everywhere (homes, cafes, restaurants..) It is the sunny cold January-March I dislike. (-5 Celsius with snow is ok, but anything colder than that.. No thanks..)

      • echinococcus
        October 24, 2017, 6:57 pm

        Totally OT for Kaisa.
        My first welcome in Joensuu was by -50 °C. I loved it.
        Even Oulu was warmer.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 24, 2017, 9:51 pm

        Echi:

        “Even Oulu was warmer..”

        I lived three years in Joensuu (I grew up in South Finland) and allthough almost all my father’s family lives there and I love the North-Karelian people, I could not take those “Siberian winters”. So I ended up living in South-West costal area, where the winters are shorter and milder and hardly more than two weeks real coldness in a winter.. And there are lots of Finns who love the winter, but I am not one of them :)

      • John O
        October 25, 2017, 8:01 am

        I’ve been thinking over the example that Jackdaw gives above. It’s not a jobs shortage but a lack of skills in Israel itself (as a commenter on the Times of Israel website puts it, what can you expect with the current education minister?). One suggestion is to pay the immigrants twice what native Israelis get paid. Well, that will make them popular with their colleagues! And when they do arrive, and find that they are effectively second-class citizens everywhere except in their workplace, how long will they stay?

  7. JeffB
    October 24, 2017, 10:00 am

    @echinococcus

    No actually the claim was skin color in the quite literal sense:

    Ossinev: “ It would be interesting to know how many non blue eyed Aryan Jews get through the filtration process. I simply can`t imagine any British Jew with any significant skin darkening eg Arab or heaven forbid African background getting past the security guards at these meetings never mind through the initial “interview”.

    JosephA: “ Let’s see if the white zionists in charge in Israel let dark, native, Palestinian Jews make aliyah!?

    And as for Marnie the claim was about the Jewish Agency not Israel generally. The proof for them is simply their history. During the 1940s and 1950s when racism in America and Europe was still very much a norm they were aggressively recruiting non-white Jews to make Aliyah in huge numbers. They cleared most of the world of its non-white Jewish population and made them Israelis. A process that they continue to this day.

    As for the more general claim I don’t agree with you that Israel is particularly racist. The very high rate of mixed Mizrahi / Ashkenazi marriage offers definitive disproof of societal support for racism.

    • Marnie
      October 24, 2017, 10:32 am

      You are over there, not over here, so you don’t know and you don’t believe the hundreds of reports here and elsewhere on the net that racism is as israeli as hummus and pita, which is actually palestinian, which they stole, but maybe you’ll understand. You don’t accept the most obvious crimes of the zionist state, so you aren’t saying anything new. Just plug your ears and repeat the phrase that doesn’t amaze “I don’t agree with you that Israel is particularly racist”. It means so much coming from someone who’ll never experience it.

    • echinococcus
      October 24, 2017, 10:36 am

      The Jeff busybee insists in not-getting what’s plainly written, and one would now tend to believe it’s a cognitive problem rather than a propaganda feint.
      Of course the essential point is the Jews vs Nonjews criminal Apartheid. Repeat criminal.

      Besides, this is, while not independent, not directly connected to another blinding truth, that the Zionist entity practices strict color racism, by skin color, throughout its whole social structure. So of course we all would be widely surprised if any darkie “Jews” make it through security, let alone interviews. Notwithstanding the Jeff’s inane denials, the Zionist entity is the last place where in-your-face color racism is so normal that government can excuse the lynching of Herrenvolk but Yemeni inhabitants by the fact that their skin color was too African.

      • Mooser
        October 24, 2017, 12:10 pm

        “The Jeff busybee insists in not-getting what’s plainly written, and one would now tend to believe it’s a cognitive problem”

        Well, “Jeff b” has been the recipient of a “prohibitively expensive” education, according to “Hophmi”.
        I mean just look what it cost him!

    • Mooser
      October 24, 2017, 12:16 pm

      “As for the more general claim I don’t agree with you that Israel is particularly racist. The very high rate of mixed Mizrahi / Ashkenazi marriage offers definitive disproof of societal support for racism.”

      Wait a minute “Jeff b”! The Ashkenazi Jews and Mizrahi Jews are different races? What the hell is this? I thought we were all Jewish?
      Pls. explain! One race, one blood, one soil, is the way I learned it.

      Oh, BTW, when did the split into different races of Jews occur?

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 24, 2017, 2:08 pm

        Mooser:

        “Wait a minute “Jeff b”! The Ashkenazi Jews and Mizrahi Jews are different races? What the hell is this? I thought we were all Jewish?
        Pls. explain! One race, one blood, one soil, is the way I learned it..”

        Now you’ve caught him :) ! Congrats!

      • amigo
        October 24, 2017, 3:03 pm

        “Wait a minute “Jeff b”! The Ashkenazi Jews and Mizrahi Jews are different races? What the hell is this? I thought we were all Jewish?”Mooser

        Mooser, give Jeff B a break. He spends his every waking moment trying to defend Jews of all races and creeds and colour.That,s a tough gig and he may get confused from time to time when trying to keep up with the myriad of changing “facts ” on the ground.

      • Mooser
        October 24, 2017, 3:15 pm

        “Now you’ve caught him :) !”

        Oh, hardly. As “Jeff b” says, above:

        “During the 1940s and 1950s when racism in America and Europe was still very much a norm they were aggressively recruiting non-white Jews to make Aliyah in huge numbers. They cleared most of the world of its non-white Jewish population and made them Israelis. Each one was given a bar of Dove soap”

        Yup, looks like Jews come in several races. Apparently we have the ability to take on protective coloration.
        Oh well, after all we’ve been through, it really doesn’t surprise me. That’s evolution, baby. Adapt or perish.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        October 24, 2017, 3:53 pm

        “..recruiting non-white Jews to make Aliyah in huge numbers. They cleared most of the world of its non-white Jewish population and made them Israelis..”

        There are Israelian movies about it, how the non-white Jews were located to the worst places, in the middle of the desert and so. So it was not a good deal for most of them, like for those who came from India and elsewhere. That’s why the whole “one Jewish people” is a joke. When I lived in Israel (It is soon 8 years ago when I left last time), the only thing that seemed to unite the Israelian Jews was the “common enemy”. The goverment of Israel does not want peace, ’cause it would not last in a times of peace. The eternal conflict serves the goverments cause, ’cause that is the way to keep it’s citizens somehow united and better under it’s control.. (That is an outsiders point of view..)

    • oldgeezer
      October 24, 2017, 9:11 pm

      @jeffb

      “they were aggressively recruiting non-white Jews to make Aliyah in huge numbers. They cleared most of the world of its non-white Jewish population and made them Israelis. ”

      Well noted and quite true given the invented myth that those Jews were refugees forced from their countries of origin.

      All countries have their myths. Israel doesn’t seem to have anything but.

  8. amigo
    October 24, 2017, 2:48 pm

    “The Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) published reports documenting racism in Israel, and the 2007 report suggested that anti-Arab racism in the country was increasing. One analysis of the report summarized it thus: “Over two-thirds Israeli teens believe Arabs to be less intelligent, uncultured and violent. Over a third of Israeli teens fear Arabs all together….The report becomes even grimmer, citing the ACRI’s racism poll, taken in March 2007, in which 50% of Israelis taking part said they would not live in the same building as Arabs, will not befriend, or let their children befriend Arabs and would not let Arabs into their homes.”[15] The 2008 report from ACRI says the trend of increasing racism is continuing.[16] An Israeli minister charged the poll as biased and not credible.[17] The Israeli government spokesman responded that the Israeli government was “committed to fighting racism whenever it raises it ugly head and is committed to full equality to all Israeli citizens, irrespective of ethnicity, creed or background, as defined by our declaration of independence”.[17] Isi Leibler of the Jerusalem Center for Public affairs argues that Israeli Jews are troubled by “increasingly hostile, even treasonable outbursts by Israeli Arabs against the state” while it is at war with neighboring countries,[18]

    Another 2007 report, by the Center Against Racism, also found hostility against Arabs was on the rise. Among its findings it reported that 75% of Israeli Jews don’t approve of Arabs and Jews sharing apartment buildings; that over half of Jews wouldn’t want to have an Arab boss and that marrying an Arab amounts to “national treason”; and that 55% of the sample thought Arabs should be kept separate from Jews in entertainment sites. Half wanted the Israeli government to encourage Israeli Arabs to emigrate. About 40% believed Arab citizens should have their voting rights removed.[19]

    A March 2010 poll by Tel Aviv University found that 49.5% of Israeli Jewish high school students believe Israeli Arabs should not be entitled to the same rights as Jews in Israel. 56% believe Arabs should not be eligible to the Knesset, the Israeli parliament.[20]

    An October 2010 poll by the Dahaf polling agency found that 36% of Israeli Jews favor eliminating voting rights for non-Jews.[21] In recent polling (2003–2009) between 42% and 56% of Israelis agreed that “Israeli Arabs suffer from discrimination as opposed to Jewish citizens;” 80% of Israeli Arabs agreed with that statement in 2009.[22]

    A 2012 poll revealed widespread support among Israeli Jews for discrimination against Israeli Arabs.[23]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel#Polls

  9. amigo
    October 24, 2017, 2:56 pm

    “Education system
    Jewish and Arab teachers at Hand in Hand, a network of bilingual schools that aims to promote coexistence between the Arab and Jewish populations of Israel
    See also: Education in Israel

    Israel is a signatory of the Convention against Discrimination in Education, and ratified it in 1961. The convention has the status of law in Israeli courts.[32] Israeli Pupils’ Rights Law of 2000 prohibits discrimination of students for sectarian reasons in admission to or expulsion from educational institutions, in establishment of separate educational curricula or holding of separate classes in the same educational institution.[33]

    According to a 2001 report by Human Rights Watch, Israel’s school systems for Arab and Jewish children are separate and have unequal conditions to the disadvantage of the Arab children who make up one quarter of all students. Israeli law does not prohibit Palestinian Arab parents from enrolling their children in Jewish schools, but in practice, very few Palestinian Arab parents do so.[32][34] The report stated that “Government-run Arab schools are a world apart from government-run Jewish schools. In virtually every respect, Palestinian Arab children get an education inferior to that of Jewish children, and their relatively poor performance in school reflects this.”[35][36][37] In 1999, in an attempt to close the gap between Arab and Jewish education sectors, the Education Minister of Israel announced an affirmative action policy which promised that Arabs would be granted 25% of the education budget, proportionally more funding than their 18% of the population, and supported the creation of an Arab academic college.[38]”

    Note , it never happened but the following did !!.

    “A 2009 study from the Hebrew University’s School of Education demonstrated that the Israeli Education Ministry’s budget for special assistance to students from low socioeconomic backgrounds “severely” discriminated against Arabs. The study found that because there were more needy Arab students, but fewer Arab students overall, educationally needy Jewish students receive anywhere from 3.8 to 6.9 times as much funding as equally needy Arab students. The Education Ministry said in response to the report that a decision has already been made to abandon this allocation method.[39] The Follow-Up Committee for Arab Education notes that the Israeli government spends an average of $192 per year on each Arab student compared to $1,100 per Jewish student.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel#Polls

    Sure , no racism in Israel. To suggest that the “Chosen people are not keeping their Promise to that Real Estate mogul in the sky , to be a light unto the nations , is a blood libel .Why , everyone knows that the chosen people are as pure as the driven snow and unlike Goyim , they do not need a place called hell.

  10. Kaisa of Finland
    October 24, 2017, 3:21 pm

  11. Ossinev
    October 25, 2017, 3:05 pm

    @ Jack Green
    “Israel is the only country that brought back Africans to be citizens”

    For “citizens” read Jewish demographic ballast. In the “Chosen People” mindset there is a presupposition that they are white and have European physical appearance and are not in the least bit discoloured by that nefarius Middle East sun . Not yet full frontal in your face racism against Jews of North African origin and/or appearance but only a matter of time with the relentless Lehavisation of Jewish Israeli society.

    Love the “brought back” bit. But a bit confused. Were they African Jews when they “left” or rather were forced out by those nasty Romans?

    • Jack Green
      October 25, 2017, 7:55 pm

      Ossinev

      The African Jews have all the rights of citizens.

      • amigo
        October 26, 2017, 4:38 pm

        “The African Jews have all the rights of citizens.” jacko g

        sure jacko , they have the vote but that,s about where the equality begins and ends.You are seriously under nourished in the real facts about Israel,s racist attitude towards it,s non White/blue eyed Jewish citizens.

        “Ziva Birsaw immigrated to Israel from Ethiopia as a child in 1984. Today she works with Ethiopian youth at risk in the townships outside Haifa, where she said she has witnessed cases of police abusing its authority in interactions with young Israelis of Ethiopian descent.

        “The police opened a robbery case for one young person I worked with even though there was proof that he was not there,” Birsaw told The Times of Israel. “Then the police kept showing up out of the blue at his home to arrest him. They seemed to just want to keep reminding him that they are around and they’re watching him.”

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        The incident was not isolated and the past several days have seen years of frustration over lack of opportunities and charges of institutionalized discrimination across Israeli life boil into the open, climaxing Sunday night in an intense protest in central Tel Aviv that descended into a violent clash with police.

        The protests were touched off by a video of a black Israeli soldier being beaten by police, but while the trigger for the protests was the attack, the demonstrators say they were brought into the streets by pervasive racism and discrimination resulting from their ongoing segregation from general Israeli society.”

        https://www.timesofisrael.com/separate-but-not-equal-treatment-for-israels-ethiopian-jews/

        BTW , what exactly is an African Jew.

      • Mooser
        October 26, 2017, 4:54 pm

        “The African Jews have all the rights of citizens.”

        All the rights of which “citizens”? ‘Jewish citizens’ or ‘Arab citizens’?

        The word “citizen” is meaningless in Israel.

  12. Ossinev
    October 26, 2017, 6:27 am

    Jack Green
    Were they “African” Jews who had migrated to the Middle East when they were driven out of the ancient historic sob etc all those millennia ago , were they Semites who evolved into “Africans” practicing the cult of Judaism or were they simply Africans. The having all the rights of citizens ( as opposed to to the native Palestinians having second class citizenship is academic)

    I think you have got your Zioknickers in a twist on this one. Need to recalibrate and get those bearings.

    • Jack Green
      October 26, 2017, 9:44 am

      Ossinev

      Americans can’t vote in Iraqi elections.
      Iraqis can’t vote in American elections.
      Americans can’t vote in German elections.
      Germans can’t vote in American elections.
      Israelis can’t vote in Palestinian elections.
      Why should Palestinians be able to vote in Israeli elections?

    • Mooser
      October 26, 2017, 6:41 pm

      ,” were they Semites who evolved into “Africans” practicing the cult of Judaism”

      Exactly. They practiced their religion, but for perfectly understandable and entirely honorable reasons decided to become more like the surrounding community. Do you see any harm in this minimal assimilation?

  13. amigo
    October 26, 2017, 4:07 pm

    “Israelis can’t vote in Palestinian elections.
    Why should Palestinians be able to vote in Israeli elections?” jacko g

    Jacko , are you really that dense.

    There are in excess of 700,000 Israeli Jews (illegal settlers) voting in Israeli elections.They do not live in Israel.

    I noticed your list missed the following ! .

    Americans can,t vote in Israeli elections .
    Israelis can,t vote in American elections.

    No need to explain why that was omitted.

  14. DaBakr
    October 26, 2017, 8:20 pm

    I have to admit, I’ve never been more disappointed to read that Israel is continuing to recruit young jews from the uk, eu or the us to make aliyah. How dare us do such a thing. It’s an outrage.

    • Mooser
      October 27, 2017, 1:08 pm

      ” I’ve never been more disappointed to read that Israel is continuing to recruit young jews from the uk, eu or the us to make aliyah.”

      I know what you mean, “Dabakr”. We were all supposed to come on our own, bring our assets with us, and pay Israel for the privilege.
      Now Zionism is reduced to begging and promising remuneration.

      And, of course, they will have to vet the new recruits carefully. Some people want to leave their country for their country’s good.
      And there aren’t many other places where we can camouflage incipient mental illness as religious fervor.

      • Jack Green
        October 27, 2017, 9:08 pm

        Mooser

        You’re lucky that Israel exists.
        I hope you never need it, but if you need it, it’s there.
        Unfortunately, it wasn’t there in 1938 when 6 million Jews needed it.

      • Keith
        October 28, 2017, 12:34 pm

        JACK GREEN- “Unfortunately, it wasn’t there in 1938 when 6 million Jews needed it.”

        More shameless Zionist myth-history. Zionism predates the Holocaust by over 50 years and was never intended as a refugee project. The Zionists were concerned with rescuing Jewish tribalism not Jews per se. In fact, without the Holocaust, it seems unlikely that Israel would have been created as a Jewish state. In any event, in the 1930s Palestine could only absorb relatively small numbers of Jews. Few wanted to come in any event, Zionism a project of the Jewish elites and intelligentsia not the mass of Jews who desired assimilation, preferably in the Western democracies. Some quotes to make the point.

        There is probably nothing anyone could have done to save most Eastern European Jews from the Holocaust. Palestine was totally inadequeate to handle any massive influx. Plus the Zionists “…had a selection process that put greater weight on whether a particular Jew was a Zionist, in good health and capable of materially aiding the Zionist cause and economy over the need or vulnerability of that particular Jew. Thus, sometimes a Jew from the US or the Americas were given preference over a German or Eastern European Jew, and young adults were given preference over the elderly or young children.” (Tree) http://mondoweiss.net/2013/09/latest-generous-offer-leaked-israel-wants-to-control-jordan-river-and-40-of-west-bank-while-palestinians-get-temporary-borders/#comment-591577

        “When they come to us with two plans–the rescue of the masses of Jews in Europe or the redemption of the land–I vote, without a second thought, for the redemption of the land. The more said about the slaughter of our people, the greater the minimization of our efforts to strengthen and promote the Hebraisation of the land.” (p51, “The Hidden History of Zionism,” Ralph Schoenman)

        “Berel Katznelson, editor of the Labor Zionist “Davar,” described the “cruel criteria of Zionism:” German Jews were too old to bear children in Palestine, lacked trades for building a Zionist colony, didn’t speak Hebrew and weren’t Zionists. In place of these Jews facing extermination the WZO brought to Palestine 6,000 trained young Zionists from the United States, Britain and other safe countries. Worse than this, the WZO not merely failed to seek any alternative for the Jews facing the Holocaust, the Zionist leadership opposed belligerently all efforts to find refuge for fleeing Jews.” (P50, Schoenman)

      • Jack Green
        October 28, 2017, 2:36 pm

        Keith

        Evidence that in the 1930s Palestine could only absorb relatively small numbers of Jews?

        How many Jews could have been absorbed each year?

      • Jack Green
        October 28, 2017, 2:39 pm

        Keith

        Please explain: “The Zionists were concerned with rescuing Jewish tribalism not Jews per se.”

      • Keith
        October 28, 2017, 4:53 pm

        JACK GREEN- “How many Jews could have been absorbed each year?”

        I don’t know, Jack, but with a 1936 population of 384 thousand, not nearly enough to make a dent in the 6 million. Only the Western nations could handle significant numbers of immigrants and the Zionists resisted efforts to loosen the quotas. For reference, the Jewish population of Israel is only about 6.5 million now, 80 years on.

        JACK GREEN- “Please explain: “The Zionists were concerned with rescuing Jewish tribalism not Jews per se.”

        The Zionists were intent on combating assimilation and re-establishing tribal solidarity which was torn assunder by the enlightenment and the separation of Jews into Orthodox Jews, Conservative Jews, Reform Jews and secular Jews. A more-or-less common religion no longer united the Jews. Zionism is the attempt to create a new basis for unity of a formerly religious defined group. If you do nothing other than read the quotes I provided, you will note that the Zionist leadership was focussed on the creation of a Jewish state, NOT the rescue of Jews per se. Makes sense. If huge numbers of Jews were rescued, say 3 million, I doubt Zionism would have succeeded. Most of those who perished in the Holocaust were either non-Zionists or anti-Zionists like the Bund. Even after the Holocaust the Zionists had to send agents into the Jewish DP camps to coerce the survivors to go to Israel. No joke.

        So, Jack, are you as ignorant of Jewish/Zionist history as you appear to be, or are you just trolling around?

  15. Ossinev
    October 27, 2017, 7:36 am

    @DaBakr
    Well I suppose it depends on interests and motivations. Some young people (I would say the overwhelming majority here in the UK including young British Jews) are into getting on with their neighbours , quietly practicing their religion without shoving it down other peoples throats , making society better through charitable work etc etc. Some young people including young British Jews are into kicking defenceless 8 year olds and strutting around with guns ( occasionally hoping to have the opportunity of shooting someone at short range in the head) you know that sort of thing. Well the opportunities are non existent in the UK and you just can`t get away with that kind of behaviour in the civilised West but hey in downtown Hebron and the rest of the occupied West Bank lots of golden opportunities to strut your young Zionist stuff and become lauded brave heroes like Mr Azaria. Speaking of which it is outrageous to continue to criticise a most moral young medic for scattering the brains of a Palestinian lying defenceless on the ground. Anti -Semitism at its most outrageous. Israel definitely needs a lot more young Azaria types making the Aliyah shuffle and given the chance to ape the courageous Azaria.

    • Jack Green
      October 27, 2017, 9:04 pm

      Ossinev

      Gang-related organised crime in the United Kingdom is concentrated around the cities of London, Manchester and Liverpool and regionally across the West Midlands region, south coast and northern England…With regards to street gangs the cities identified as having the most serious gang problems, which also accounted for 65% of firearm homicides in England and Wales, were London, Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool. Glasgow in Scotland also has a historical gang culture with the city having 6 times as many teenage gangs as London, which has ten times the population, per capita.

  16. John O
    October 28, 2017, 1:24 pm

    @Jack Green

    Are you equating gang violence with service in the IDF? If so, I have to admit you do have a point.

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