Video: Brisbane musicians rework Nick Cave classic to demand he cancel Israel show

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Phil Mansour passed along this video with the note, “Brisbane musicians rework Nick Cave’s classic ballad “The Ship Song” calling on him to cancel his upcoming shows in #Apartheid #Israel and respect the Palestinian picket line. #BDS”

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  1. amigo
    November 15, 2017, 12:21 pm

    Excellent means of getting through to Nick Cave.

    Hope it does the trick.

    • just
      November 19, 2017, 6:27 am

      It didn’t:

      “Nick Cave: BDS Is the Reason for My Trip to Israel …

      “In a manner of speaking, BDS was the impetus for coming to play in Israel,” musician Nick Cave said at a press party celebrating his show which will take place on Sunday and Monday night in Tel Aviv.

      Cave explained that, a few years ago, he understood that he wouldn’t sign an “Artists for Palestine” petition, calling for artists to refrain from coming to Israel. “I didn’t want to sign the petition. I didn’t connect to it. I don’t like lists,” he said.

      Cave said realized that although he wouldn’t sign the petition, he also had not played a show in Israel for 20 years. Cave first visited Israel to play a show in 1993, and has returned since twice.

      “It felt wimpy. The second that we left for this tour, it was important for me that we come out against silencing artists.

      “I love Israel and Israelis and it’s important for me to say something of substance about this.”

      Cave said he had not played in Israel for the past 20 years due to a lack of popularity and to complex logistical challenges involved in organizing shows.”

      read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.823612

      Ah well, another “wimpy” and too busy person who doesn’t care about the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinians of Palestine. He’s a schmuck who only “loves Israel and Israelis”.

      Another real schmuck who willingly ignores the truth. Ugh.

      • oldgeezer
        November 19, 2017, 1:43 pm

        On an interesting connection. The co-owner of Cave’s management company is also (one of?) owner of Radiohead’s management company.

  2. Jackdaw
    November 15, 2017, 12:22 pm

    What are they doing? Holding Cave’s song hostage?

    This coming from a country that eradicated it’s indigenous population, while commiting cultural genocide, and that now has an asylum seeker policy that makes Israel’s look like open armed by comparison.

    #Apatheid#Israel?

    How about #Vile, Ludicrous Hypocrites.

    Phil Mansour! FLIP YOU and all your two-faced BDS comrades.

    • Mooser
      November 15, 2017, 2:46 pm

      “This coming from a country that eradicated it’s indigenous population, while commiting cultural genocide…,

      Quite true, and very sad, and and the consequences have dogged us. But the conditions of life in Europe were enough to create streams of tens of millions of immigrants and the resources of America there for the taking. So the sheer historical and economic pressure enabled North America to escape responsibility (if not the consequences) for those terrible acts, that way of doing things, that settler-colonialism.

      Now, what has Israel got, or what conditions will make it possible for Israel to commit atrocities and follow genocidal policies and get away with it? The Torah? Jewish DNA?

      • Bont Eastlake
        November 16, 2017, 7:28 pm

        The money and weapons America choose to give it, mostly.

    • RoHa
      November 15, 2017, 10:11 pm

      The indigenous population of Australia was not eradicated. There were massacres, and survivors of the massacres.

      The Australians recognize and admit the evil of the past, and they even try to make some recompense, so the term “hypocrite” is not really appropriate. But even if the Australians are evil hypocrites, that does not in any way excuse Israeli actions.

      • Jackdaw
        November 16, 2017, 11:04 am

        @Roha

        GENOCIDE Roha. GENOCIDE.

        http://all-that-is-interesting.com/australia-genocide

        Deny genocide at your own peril. Mondoweiss has banned commentors for less.

      • Bont Eastlake
        November 16, 2017, 7:27 pm

        Bullshit. What does recognizing and admitting the evil of the past do if your still benefitting from it to this day?

        Yield your claim on the land, dissolve the government and redistribute all land with goal of returning the sovereignty of indigenous peoples.

        I’m sorry but Australia is just as settler colonialist as Israel or America and no superficial apology is going to change that.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        November 16, 2017, 9:28 pm

        Bont..

        “I’m sorry but Australia is just as settler colonialist as Israel or America and no superficial apology is going to change that..”

        I don’t get your point?? Aren’t you living in “a settler colonialist U.S.A.” yourself?? Benefiting its system and living in a land which “was stolen from the indigenous people”?? So aren’t you the biggest hypocrite here?? Criticizing “the European white supermacism”, which built the land and still you are living in there right now?? (I have never been a fan of the political/social system of the U.S. and that is why I have never had any intention to live there either..)

        Sometimes I am wondering, if you are just a “troll”, cause you obviously have to know that Arabs had a big role in slave trade and the human right issues in Arab countries are not in very good shape (‘can’t blame white Europeans for that..)

        https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2014/oct/23/migrant-domestic-workers-uae-beaten-abused

        So when we are discussing Israel/Palestine here, we are talking about the fact that Zionists took a land, which was not empty and those people (no matter what their religion was) were forced to leave and are now living in “diaspora” all around the world or under the occupation in inhuman conditions. And atleast I am going to try to help them as long as I can.

        Obviously it was not ok, how the Aboriginals, Maoris and the Native-Americans etc. were treated in the past, but it was also time when the human psychology was not understood the way it is today and those people honestly did believe they were doing the right thing and “civilizing” the “pagans” (Exactly the same thing the Swedes did to us..). Now it is 2100th century, we know better, so we can try to do things differently.

        “We are not responsible for the past, but we are responsible for the present and for the future.”

      • Kaisa of Finland
        November 16, 2017, 11:21 pm

        “Now it is 2100th century..”

        I am sorry, if someone thought he/she had woken up in the future. These “year figures” are obviously impossible for me to get right, ’cause in Finnish it would have been 2000-luku/2000-talet på svenska. And in English ofcourse, it should have been 21st century.

        (Same with the pounds and miles and cups and Farenheits ’cause they are kilos/grams, meters, desiliters and Celsiuses here.. Too much confusion for such everyday things, so I am sure this was not the last “mix up”.. My apologies..)

      • RoHa
        November 17, 2017, 9:52 pm

        “people honestly did believe they were doing the right thing and “civilizing” the “pagans” (Exactly the same thing the Swedes did to us..)”

        Dare I ask whether they succeeded?

      • RoHa
        November 17, 2017, 9:54 pm

        “Deny genocide at your own peril.”

        I never denied the genocide. I denied that it eradicated the indigenous population of Australia.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        November 18, 2017, 12:18 pm

        RoHa:

        “Dare I ask whether they succeeded??”

        Heh.. :) Depends on what you mean by succeeding.. Finns used to have “Nature religion”, worshipping ancestors and different “Gods” in the nature (like Bears and somekind of “God of Thunder”..??) . Anyway, with their “religious conversion” Swedes brought also fex. the teaching of reading and writing. So I don’t know, if they succeded with converting Finns to really religious people, but the desire for education might have come from there..

        Anyway, it just frustrates me, when people get stuck with the past. Like they could change some of it and keep some of it or just eternally use the history as an excuse for everything today. History can’t be changed and also we have no idea what the world would look like, if one piece of the history would be taken off.

        Like, obviously I will always think it was wrong Russia attacked Finland 1939, causing the war and so much suffering and left so many people without home, but it happend. And then again, we have no idea how Finland would look like now, if the war did not happen. Personally, I would propably never have even been born (not like that would have been any kind of loss for the humankind, but still), since my mothers mother lost her first fiance in the war (he was a pilot, shot down by the Russians) and after the war she then met my grand father.. And almost all my friends have similar stories, like my friends mother, who was a child and had to leave from the lost areas in Karelia, was relocated on the west cost of Finland, where she later found her husband and one of my best friends is their 4th child.

        So it is like waste of time getting stuck with whining about all what happened so many years ago, we can’t change it anyway. The only thing we can do, is to try to work for things that happen now and in the future, to try to get justice for those who are suffering now and trying to prevent the worst things happening in the future anymore.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        November 18, 2017, 2:48 pm

        P.s. RoHa:

        Sorry, that last sentence was like so bad English.. I hope you got the point anyway!

    • Misterioso
      November 16, 2017, 10:15 am

      Jackdaw

      Sigh.
      Have another drink. It will clear your head.

  3. amigo
    November 15, 2017, 1:59 pm

    Jackduh drops by as he does almost daily to enact his whataboutery dance.

    How about #Vile, Ludicrous Hypocrites.jackduh.

    How about #defending the indefensible is a PITA.

    Chill out jackduh–there,s lots more to come and you will need all your physical and mental stamina to defend the Apartheid and Rogue Realm.

    • Jackdaw
      November 16, 2017, 2:16 pm

      @amigo

      If I beat my wife, and than go and open a Battered Women’s Shelter, I need to be called out for my hypocrisy.

      Similarly, since Australia committed genocide and now maintains a barbarous policy towards asylum seekers, Australians should be very careful to call Israel an ‘Apartheid State’.

      • amigo
        November 16, 2017, 3:36 pm

        “Similarly, since Australia committed genocide and now maintains a barbarous policy towards asylum seekers, “jackduh

        http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Its-time-to-change-Israels-refugee-policies-375440

        Note jackduh , it,s J post.

      • amigo
        November 16, 2017, 3:41 pm

        “If I beat my wife, and than go and open a Battered Women’s Shelter, I need to be called out for my hypocrisy.” jackduh

        Nope , I would call you out for being a caring jndividual who is providing a safe place for your wife to go to.

      • Mooser
        November 16, 2017, 4:41 pm

        But there’s no hypocrisy in the Jewish State! They made their intentions to get rid of the Palestinians quite plain from the start.

        And who worries about morality or even legality when your power is doubling every decade!

      • LHunter
        November 19, 2017, 5:51 pm

        Jackdaw

        What’s your point? We all know what hypocrisy is. Israel continues to operate an apartheid state and a brutal racist occupation. Last I checked Australia does not partake in any of these – Australia offers equal rights under the law

    • RoHa
      November 18, 2017, 2:29 am

      I can’t really get worked up about hypocrisy, and I get a bit irritated with people whining about hypocrisy as if it were the greatest of all evils.

      Hypocrisy is
      “The practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case”. (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/hypocrisy)

      It is a form of lying, but am not sure why so many people think it is worse than other lies. For my part, I think it is better to give lip service to an ideal than no service at all.

      Hypocrisy is usually irrelevant. The truth of moral judgements does not depend on the character of the person making the judgement. Whether the person making a moral judgement is a hypocrite or not, the judgement is true or false.

      Much of the time the accusation is just a form of argumentum ad hominem or the fallacy of pointing to another wrong.

      And that is how you are using it, Jackdaw. You are trying to divert the criticism of Cave and Israel by a counter accusation. That may work as rhetoric for the hard of thinking, but it does not affect the truth of the criticism.

  4. DaBakr
    November 16, 2017, 12:27 am

    *** crickets ***

  5. JosephA
    November 16, 2017, 1:09 am

    Jackdaw is a clown, but it’s fun to watch sometimes.

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