Prince Charles decried White House’s failure to take on ‘Jewish lobby’ over Israel

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Thirty years ago, Prince Charles said that U.S. support for Israel is a cause of terrorism and that the “Jewish lobby” tied an American president’s ability to address the issue. He wrote in a 1986 letter:

I now begin to understand better their [Arabs’] point of view about Israel. Never realized they see it as a US colony….

I know there are so many complex issues, but how can there ever be an end to terrorism unless the causes are eliminated?

Surely some US president has to have the courage to stand up and take on the Jewish lobby in US? I must be naive, I suppose!

The Mail on Sunday broke the story, saying it obtained the letter from a public archive. Charles was 38, had just visited the Persian Gulf, and was writing to a mentor, the South African-born writer Laurens van der Post, then nearly 80.

The letter is causing a stink in Britain and Israel, with the Times of Israel accusing the Prince of employing anti-Semitic tropes about Jewish wealth and influence. Another source of controversy is the Prince’s view that the immigration of “foreign” Jews had worsened the conflict.

I now appreciate that Arabs and Jews were all a Semitic people originally and it is the influx of foreign, European Jews (especially from Poland, they say) which has helped to cause great problems.

A 1986 letter written by Prince Charles to his friend Laurens van der Post. (published by The Mail on Sunday)

The Mail says that Prince Charles has very good relations with the Jewish community but is widely thought to hold unorthodox views of the Middle East. A Jewish editor describes the letter as anti-Semitic for its treatment of Jewish influence.

Last night, Stephen Pollard, influential editor of The Jewish Chronicle, said: ‘To me this is the most astonishing element of the Prince’s letter. The “Jewish lobby” is one of the anti-Semitic themes that have endured for centuries. It is this myth there are these very powerful Jews who control foreign policy or the media or banks or whatever.’

No doubt Jewish power is mythologized, but Zionist influence is a leading factor in the creation and preservation of Israel, beginning with the issuance of the Balfour Declaration 100 years ago. The U.S. press won’t ever talk about the lobby’s role, because it’s too much of a living reality in our public life. The lead negotiator for the U.S. government during the peace process years, Dennis Ross, has said in a synagogue talk that American Jews “must be advocates” for Israel, not for Palestinians. A Time Warner executive has written speeches for Benjamin Netanyahu with no one saying boo about it. An executive at Comcast, the largest media company, has held fundraisers for the Israeli army. The head of Emily’s List has said that Democratic congressional candidates must take a position on Israel from the lobby group AIPAC, in order to raise essential campaign funds from the Jewish community.

“Jewish lobby” is surely a misnomer for Zionist lobby; but it’s not as if many Zionists have not used the term themselves. Alan Dershowitz used the term “Jewish lobby” approvingly in his book Chutzpah. Earlier this year he told a Scarsdale synagogue that American Jews are “entitled” to our power because of our wealth, and we need to deploy it to support Israel.

Anyone that [divests from Israel] has to be treated with economic consequences. We have to hit them in the pocketbook. Don’t ever ever be embarrassed about using Jewish power. Jewish power, whether it be intellectual, academic, economic, political– in the interest of justice is the right thing to do….

People write a book called the Israel lobby and complain that AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbies in Washington. My response to that is, that’s not good enough. We should be the most powerful lobby in Washington….

We are entitled to use our power. We have contributed disproportionately to the success of this country. We have done so much for this country. When you think of how much better this country has become since our grandparents and great grandparents took the risk of coming, here, we have not only the right we have the obligation to speak out, and use every piece, every bit of power available in support of Israel.

We could go on and on with instances of American experts who support the prince’s view to one degree or another. NYT columnist Tom Friedman has said that the U.S. Congress is “bought and paid for by the Israel lobby.” Last year Cornel West said that the Democratic National Committee has been “beholden” for a long time to AIPAC. The DNC lately purged James Zogby from its executive committee.

George H.W. Bush did take on the Israel lobby three years after Prince Charles’s complaint, in 1991, over settlements. He was a one-term president and some attribute Bush’s loss in part to his daring. Bill Clinton ran to President Bush’s right on the settlements issue, and moved into the White House.

Let’s see how much pickup this letter gets in the U.S. I bet very little. Too uncomfortable-making. And a one-off.

The Israeli press says no royal has visited Israel on an official visit since 1948. “Despite numerous invitations over the years, no UK government has approved such a visit to Israel since the end of the British Mandate and the establishment of the state in 1948.”

The Mail quotes a spokesperson for the royal family explaining the letter:

“He was sharing the arguments in private correspondence with a long-standing friend in an attempt to improve his understanding of what he has always recognized is a deeply complex issue to which he was coming early on in his own analysis in 1986,” the spokeswoman said.

Thanks to Ofer Neiman and James North.

 

 

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  1. John O
    November 12, 2017, 12:10 pm

    “The letter is causing a stink in Britain …”

    Not being a Daily Mail or Mail on Sunday reader, I wasn’t aware of this story until reading about it here. Judging by the lack of reader comments (only 4 so far) on the Mail website, even the papers’ readers aren’t that exercised by it.

    I did note with interest the fact (Mondoweiss quoting the Israeli press) that there has never been a royal visit to Israel. Perhaps the founding fathers shouldn’t have killed so many of the monarch’s soldiers.

    • Citizen
      November 12, 2017, 1:23 pm

      It’s been running around on Twitter for a number of days. What do the Founding Fathers and Revolutionary War have to do with England not visiting Israel since 1948?

      • John O
        November 12, 2017, 2:52 pm

        @Jackdaw

        10 out of 10 for whataboutery.

        The final sentences of the paper you link to are, dare I say it, interesting:

        “Put simply, in Palestine the British were often brutal but they rarely committed atrocities. Indeed, by moderating its violence, Britain was probably more effective as an imperial power. Perhaps this is the best that can be said for the British ‘way’ in repressing the Arab insurgency in Palestine: it was, relatively speaking, humane and restrained — the awfulness was less awful — when compared to the methods used by other colonial and neo-colonial powers operating in similar circumstances, an achievement, of sorts.”

      • Elizabeth Block
        November 13, 2017, 11:07 pm

        The founding fathers referred to are the founding fathers of Israel, who fought the British and committed terrorist atrocities against them, e.g. blowing up the King David hotel. Not Washington, Adams, Franklin et alia.

    • Jackdaw
      November 12, 2017, 1:49 pm

      “Perhaps the founding fathers shouldn’t have killed so many of the monarch’s soldiers. ”

      The number of monarch soldiers killed by the Zionists is but a fraction of the number of Arabs the monarch soldiers killed during the Mandate.

      https://web.archive.org/web/20160221163210/http://v-scheiner.brunel.ac.uk/bitstream/2438/7251/4/The%20banality%20of%20brutality.pdf

      • amigo
        November 12, 2017, 2:42 pm

        Jack drops by to remind us that Zionists are the masters , perhaps even the inventors of ,”Whataboutery.

      • Mooser
        November 12, 2017, 3:56 pm

        ” the inventors of ,”Whataboutery.”

        And they use “artificial intelligence” a lot. That’s where he gets his links.

    • Jerry Hirsch
      November 12, 2017, 1:59 pm

      John, the obvious reason is oil.

      • Emory Riddle
        November 12, 2017, 2:43 pm

        How many times can the obvious truth be called an anti-semitic trope or canard or blood libel before those smears no longer work?

      • pabelmont
        November 12, 2017, 6:14 pm

        My guess? The antisemitic tropes are just that, and they inflame those kindly folks who wish to be or are constitutionally set up to be inflamed by them; but the obvious facts although actually obvious and actually actual are not to the liking of many of those same kindly folks, hence the smokescreen and whataboutery — What About the use of traditional antisemitic tropes? Hmmm? What About that?

    • Jackdaw
      November 13, 2017, 12:55 am

      Charles personality is as repellent as his politics.

      No surprise here.

  2. Boomer
    November 12, 2017, 12:14 pm

    The Prince states an obvious truth, and American Zionists are shocked, shocked. The intensity of their reaction is an indication that they understand some truths must be suppressed in order to maintain their preferred fictions. They have been surprisingly successful with this strategy for a long time. Who knows how long it will continue? Long enough, I suspect.

  3. Citizen
    November 12, 2017, 1:24 pm

    Why that pic of Prince Charles?

    • amigo
      November 12, 2017, 2:39 pm

      “Why that pic of Prince Charles?” Citizen.

      They wanted to show him , when he is talking to his flowers.

      “He famously admitted giving his plants a little verbal encouragement.

      Now the Prince of Wales has made a further revelation: he not only chats to his flowers, he instructs them.”

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2286883/Prince-Charles-revealed-instructs-plants.html

      Clearly this shot was taken during a conversation with a trucculent plant , named “Charlie Rose”.

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2017, 12:18 pm

        “They wanted to show him , when he is talking to his flowers..”

        Does he talk to the trees, too?
        I often say “Hello, bud” myself.

      • amigo
        November 13, 2017, 12:55 pm

        “Does he talk to the trees, too?”Mooser.

        Good question.Next time we have tea at Buck House , I shall make a point of asking him.

        Ok , Petal.

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2017, 3:10 pm

        ” I shall make a point of asking him.”

        Oh, Mrs. and Mr. Tree are fine, but some of the older Bushes are having problems.

        BTW, I used to have lunch at Checkers, but the crumbs got all over the board.

      • Brewer
        November 13, 2017, 3:40 pm

        Can never hear “Talk to the trees” without thinking of Prince Charles’ favourite comic Spike Milligan whose version goes:
        “I talk to the trees, that’s why they put me away”

      • RoHa
        November 14, 2017, 10:23 pm

        “They wanted to show him , when he is talking to his flowers.”

        Misplaced comma, amigo.

      • amigo
        November 15, 2017, 8:05 am

        “Misplaced comma, amigo.” RoHa

        Given that English is my second language and was forced on my ancestors, I think I speak /write it reasonably well.

        Even so, thanks for sharing it with us.

      • RoHa
        November 15, 2017, 10:04 pm

        Irish is your first language?

        English was forced on me! My parents spoke no other language, it was the language of my schools, and the language of the society I grew up in. I had no choice but to learn it.

  4. US Citizen
    November 12, 2017, 2:28 pm

    Gee, if there really were no “tropes about Jewish wealth and influence” then there would not be the usual crying and whining about it from the Jews. We all know they hold influence over the MSM, Hollywood and most shamefully our Government. Good for Prince Charles.

    Jewish people are not better off because of Israel, and there is not less anti-Semitism. Israel not only drives global terror it drives anti-Semitism which is on the rise globally in tandem with Israel’s inhumane policies.

    It’s not anti-semitism for criticizing Israel or their policies telling people the apartheid Occupation is immoral and inhumane.

    On and on and on the crafted diversion goes and long has, fleeing the very public reality of Israel’s enduring inhumanity to millions of stateless people.

    • Mooser
      November 12, 2017, 3:49 pm

      “Jewish people are not better off because of Israel”

      Oh, I wouldn’t say that. Quite a few professional Zionists do very well out of it.

      • US Citizen
        November 12, 2017, 6:45 pm

        Really? You read Mondoweiss right? You are aware of BDS right? And all those ‘professional’ people you refer to – you can read their minds, be in on their conversations, their thoughts and actions. Wow, please send me numbers for the lottery. Clearly you have the inside track on all those ‘professionals’.

      • Jackdaw
        November 13, 2017, 1:00 am

        ““Jewish people are not better off because of Israel” ”

        Yes we are. Now we have a choice as to where we live, in the diaspora, or in our homeland.

        Having lived in both places, I can say from experience, that Israel is a decent place for Jews and Arabs to live in.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        November 13, 2017, 10:27 am

        Jackdaw:

        “Yes we are. Now we have a choice as to where we live..”

        Oh nice, you can have one foot in U.S. or Europe and another one in Israel, while you made the life of the Palestinians a HELL.. How cute.

        And before you start lecturing what a civilized democracy Israel is, watch this following video.. Do you realize how ridicilous and absurd the whole Israel and the IDF looks like?? (I am only waiting for the day, the U.S. voters realize where their billions are going each year, and instead of supporting this craziness wish to use that money for f.ex. developing their own health care system..)

      • Kaisa of Finland
        November 13, 2017, 10:30 am

      • Kaisa of Finland
        November 13, 2017, 10:47 am

        Jackdaw:

        ” I can say from experience, that Israel is a decent place for Jews and Arabs to live in..”

        Maybe, but as long as everything happens on the terms of the Zionists:

        “The survey, published by the Jerusalem-based Israel Democracy Institute, found that 58 percent of Israeli Jews favored stripping those Arabs who challenge the basic Zionist narrative of their voting rights.”

        “More than 40 percent of Israeli Jews, for example, said that Arabs should not be allowed to purchase land outside their own neighborhoods and communities. Two-thirds of Israeli Jews said they were opposed to including Arab parties in the government and appointing Arab ministers. Less than a quarter said there were willing to include Arabs in policymaking decisions related to governance and economics, while only 16 percent would include Arabs in policymaking decisions related to peace and security. More than half of Israeli Jews (52 percent) said it was preferable for Jews and Arabs to live separately so that Jews could preserve their Jewish identity.”

        https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.821470

        So Israel is far from a democracy, where everyone has equal rights to vote, to move, to work and to buy house where ever they wish.

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2017, 11:58 am

        “Wow, please send me numbers for the lottery.”

        As you wish. The next Washington State Lottery will be won with six two-digit numbers (from 01 to 99 IINM) which match the numbers drawn.

    • Cazador
      November 13, 2017, 9:36 am

      US Citizen,

      «It’s not anti-semitism for criticizing Israel or their policies telling people the apartheid Occupation is immoral and inhumane.»

      It’s not anti-semitism indeed, as it would target the Palestinians and other Arab cultures, descendants of Sem, in the Bible.

      Anti-Zionism would probably more to the point, along with Zionist Apartheid and Genocide of Palestinians. Zionists call the Palestinians and probably most Arabs «animals». I don’t know of any animal that invented mathematics (that useful tool to count one’s wealth, among other things), algebra, along with an early knowledge of astronomy, and a superior level of poetry in their language, a distinct musical style, and singing. There’s probably more excellence that could be described about the Arabs, but this ignorant doesn’t know them, yet… As for their religion, it won’t be the only one that could be interpreted as a form of control of populations. In my country, the priest defended his flock from going out dancing on Saturday nights. It was a kind of a sin, said he… If you ask me, the most probable reason would have been that the Sunday morning mass would collect too little a dime when the evening before was too exciting not to fully enjoy it…

      Getting back to Israel’s wars, murders and other wrongdoings against the Palestinians, one day the world will say: «ENOUGH!». The problem is, thanks to France’s nuclear help: Israel has hundreds of nuclear bombs (some say as many as 400), and Bibi Nutayahoo has threatened Europeans to go to the Samson Option if Israel were ever on the verge of being destroyed by the Arabs during one more of its many wars against them, overt and covert, and if European armies were not sent to help Israel.

      • US Citizen
        November 13, 2017, 2:31 pm

        Well said.

    • Misterioso
      November 13, 2017, 10:07 am

      @jackdaw

      “Having lived in both places, I can say from experience, that Israel is a decent place for Jews and Arabs to live in.”

      Reality:

      Hendrik Verwoerd, then prime minister of South Africa and the architect of South Africa’s apartheid policies, 1961: “Israel, like South Africa, is an apartheid state.” (Rand Daily Mail, November 23, 1961)

      Jacobus Johannes Fouché, South African Minister of Defence during the apartheid era, compared the two states and said that Israel also practiced apartheid.
      (Gideon Shimoni (1980). Jews and Zionism: The South African Experience 1910-1967. Cape Town: Oxford UP. pp. 310–336. ISBN 0195701798.

      “Former Foreign Ministry director-general invokes South Africa comparisons. ‘Joint Israel-West Bank’ reality is an apartheid state”
      EXCERPT: “Similarities between the ‘original apartheid’ as it was practiced in South Africa and the situation in ISRAEL [my emphasis] and the West Bank today ‘scream to the heavens,’ added [Alon] Liel, who was Israel’s ambassador in Pretoria from 1992 to 1994. There can be little doubt that the suffering of Palestinians is not less intense than that of blacks during apartheid-era South Africa, he asserted.” (Times of Israel, February 21, 2013)

      Video: Israeli TV Host Implores Israelis: Wake Up and Smell the Apartheid
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyyUvxHLYr4

      In its 2015 Country Report on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, the U.S. Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor acknowledges the “institutional and societal discrimination against Arab citizens of Israel.” (U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor)

      “Construction, Not Destruction”
      “While Israeli Arabs constitute 20 percent of the population, Arab communities’ jurisdictions occupy just 2.5 percent of the state’s land area, and the process of approving new construction in Arab towns takes decades.” (Haaretz Editorial, April 4, 2017)

      One example of apartheid within Israel:
      “Jewish town won’t let Arab build home on his own land ”
      Excerpt: “Aadel Suad first came to the planning and construction committee of the Misgav Local Council in 1997. Suad, an educator, was seeking a construction permit to build a home on a plot of land he owns in the community of Mitzpeh Kamon. The reply he got, from a senior official on the committee, was a memorable one. ‘Don’t waste your time,’ he reportedly told Suad. ‘We’ll keep you waiting for 30 years.’” (Haaretz, 14 December 2009)

      Ronnie Kasrils, a key player in the struggle against the former South African apartheid regime, minister for intelligence and a devout Jew: “The Palestinian minority in Israel has for decades been denied basic equality in health, education, housing and land possession, solely because it is not Jewish. The fact that this minority is allowed to vote hardly redresses the rampant injustice in all other basic human rights. They are excluded from the very definition of the ‘Jewish state’, and have virtually no influence on the laws, or political, social and economic policies. Hence, their similarity to the black South Africans [under apartheid].” (The Guardian, 25 May 2005)

      Shlomo Gazit, retired IDF Major General: “[Israel’s] legal system that enforces the law in a discriminatory way on the basis of national identity, is actually maintaining an apartheid regime.” (Haaretz, July 19, 2011)

      To the best of my knowledge, Israel is the only country in the world that differentiates between citizenship and nationality, i.e., “Israeli” nationality does not exist, only Jews and non-Jews, and each citizen carries an appropriate identity card. While the implications of this absurdity for discrimination and racism against non-Jews are obvious, it has been upheld by Israel’s Supreme Court.

      The effect of Israel’s blatantly racist “Citizenship Law” and more than fifty other restrictions Arab citizens have to endure is well expressed by writer and Knesset member, Ahmed Tibi, “…dutifully defining the state [of Israel] as ‘Jewish and democratic,’ ignores the fact that in practice ‘democratic’ refers to Jews, and the Arabs are nothing more than citizens without citizenship.” (Ma’ariv, 1.6.2005)

  5. just
    November 12, 2017, 2:41 pm

    Thanks so much for highlighting this, Phil! Haaretz had the story this morning and I linked to it elsewhere on MW. I roared with absolute delight when I read it.

    As for “lobby”:

    3 A group of people seeking to influence legislators on a particular issue.
    ‘members of the anti-abortion lobby’…

    3.1 in singular An organized attempt by members of the public to influence legislators.
    ‘a recent lobby of Parliament by pensioners’”

    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/lobby

    What is “anti- Semitic” about that, pray tell?

    Every single, simple, and uncomfortable truth that is spoken/written about Israel and Zionism is considered “anti-Semitic” by too many. Why do many prefer speaking Hebrew among themselves (lawmakers to and with the media) to speaking English or any other language when speaking candidly? Is it to obscure the truth and prolong the charade? The world gets filtered news and only what the Zionists and the MSM allow and will tolerate.

    Thanks to the internet and the wonderful translators that grace MW, we continue to be able to avail ourselves of the truth and spread the word.

    Prince Charles wrote the truth. I only hope that he stands by it and will not cave or falter as all US politicians and Presidents have thus far.

  6. JosephA
    November 12, 2017, 6:20 pm

    I think the key here is the simplicity of assuming that the modern, terrorist nation of Israel has anything to do with Jews. Yes, they can claim that they represent all of world Jewry, but they don’t. Saudi Arabia and ISIS do not represent the world’s Muslims, Israel doesn’t represent the world’s Jews. Nationalism is dangerous. For that matter, religion is also quite dangerous. Mixing the two is toxic.

  7. Diane Mason
    November 12, 2017, 7:12 pm

    It’s been an open secret for decades that Charles is privately very critical of the way the Israelis, and before that the British, have treated the Palestinians; and that Charles is generally unavailable for official functions involving Israel.

    But the wider point about the Royals not making a state visit to Israel is a red herring. There are various areas of unrest in the world where the underlying conflict is one that arose under British Imperial (mis)rule, and was left unresolved when the British left. As a matter of protocol, the Queen doesn’t make state visits to any of them while their unrest remains unresolved.

  8. Bumblebye
    November 12, 2017, 7:26 pm

    I don’t recall where I read about this this morning, but apart from thinking good for him, I was intrigued by the mention of Charles being in Israel for a funeral (was it after the assassination?) – and taking time out to visit the grave of his paternal Grandmother! How did Prince Philip’s mother come to be buried there? Married in to the Greek royals?

    • Brewer
      November 12, 2017, 11:46 pm

      You piqued my curiosity Bumblebye. Nothing to do with Zionism however according to Wikipedia. She was deeply religious (Greek Orthodox):

      ” before she died she had expressed her wish to be buried at the Convent of Saint Mary Magdalene in Gethsemane on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem (near her aunt Grand Duchess Elizabeth Fyodorovna, a Russian Orthodox saint). When her daughter, Princess George of Hanover, complained that it would be too far away for them to visit her grave, Princess Andrew jested, “Nonsense, there’s a perfectly good bus service!”[52] Her wish was realized on 3 August 1988 when her remains were transferred to her final resting place in a crypt below the church”

      …..though she is “Righteous Among the Nations” for her work with Jewish refugees in Athens during WWII.

  9. Qualtrough
    November 13, 2017, 1:25 am

    In Zionist eyes there is no legitimate criticism of Israel, so any criticism must be anti-semitic. I have asked Zionists many times to share example of criticism of Israel or Israelis that they do not find anti-semitic and they have never offered any examples. Perhaps one or more of our resident defenders of Zionism could be so kind as to provide a few example of serious examples of criticism of Israel or Israelis that they do not find anti-semitic?

  10. Kay24
    November 13, 2017, 6:48 am

    As we can all expect, Prince Charles will soon be attacked, and accused, of being anti-semitic.

    Even royalty will not be spared from the “hysterical” outrage by deeply wounded zionists.

    It is more a case of the truth hurting, everyone knows, but many pretend otherwise.

  11. JulianaFarha
    November 13, 2017, 8:32 am

    How ironic that the very week after the Priti Patel scandal orchestrated by Lord Polak, Prince Charles would be accused of deploying anti Semitic tropes by suggesting the pro Israel lobby is influential. It also came out last week that Lord Andrew Feldman, former Chair of the Conservatives and its most successful fundraiser ever, joined forces with Polak to persuade David Cameron to remove a criticism of Israel’s settlements from a speech. And just weeks after Ed Miliband was lambasted by pro Israel Labour supporters for allowing Labour MPs a free vote on the Palestine statehood motion, Cameron gave a speech defending Israel’s slaughter of Palestinian civilians in Gaza. Meantime in the US politicians of all stripes prostrate themselves before Sheldon Adelson, while Haim Saban who says his ‘one issue’ is Israel, bankrolled Hillary’s campaign. If this isn’t ‘influence’ then what is? And yet anyone who alludes to these uncontested facts is an anti Semite. It would be laughable, if the rise in right wing anti Semitism weren’t as real and ugly as it is.

  12. Vera Gottlieb
    November 13, 2017, 11:20 am

    Oh, these bloody Hebes. Always passing themselves as the saints they most certainly aren’t. Are the Zionists trying to get all of us to hate the Arabs? Seeing how israel has been behaving towards Palestinians, I have nothing but contempt for this country.

    • Mooser
      November 13, 2017, 12:24 pm

      Hey! How would you like it if I started calling Irish people “bloody Hibes”? Remember, we share a lot of DNA with them!

      • amigo
        November 13, 2017, 1:34 pm

        Does the bible refer to Hibe-rnians and if so am I entitled to Jewish Land in my other historical Homeland .Would I have to renounce my religion and convert.Would that change my DNA and would I be able to commit crimes in Ireland and get away with it with my new DNA.

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2017, 2:57 pm

        Whoa! Not so fast “amigo”! The land must be divided between the Hibernians and the Hebernians.

        (Wow, this conversation awakened long-dormant memories of the book “Studs Lonigan” of all things. Lemme see if I can find it.)

        Got it:. “His long nose was too large for his other features, almost a sheeny’s nose”

      • amigo
        November 13, 2017, 4:37 pm

        “Got it:. “His long nose was too large for his other features, almost a sheeny’s nose”mooser.

        Sorry , but I am not boneheaded enough to touch that.I think I will guzzle a few beers instead .

      • Mooser
        November 13, 2017, 5:41 pm

        “Sorry , but I am not boneheaded enough to touch that.”

        That’s how the young Studs Lonigan described himself, in an expository monologue to his mirror, if I remember.

        I was never able to listen to “Rudolph, The Red-Nosed Reindeer” in the same innocent way again, after reading that..

      • gamal
        November 13, 2017, 7:07 pm

        “almost a sheeny’s nose”

        Studs is new to me, but thats from “the enormous room” isn’t it, it resonated and shook more irrelevance loose, Sheeny’s nose gets shattered

        the syphilitic Fighting Sheeny part of the rogues gallery Cummings creates, he was a WASP of his time, before that pilgrims progress to the delectable mountains,

        I am going to hunt up the Studs Lonnigan trilogy,

        we all so interconnected, entangled even (cf Einstein relativity thread, if einstein had entangled the photon with the box he could have beaten Bohr, he didn’t and lost, which put his nose out of joint)
        https://arxiv.org/abs/1203.1139

      • Mooser
        November 14, 2017, 12:00 pm

        “I am going to hunt up the Studs Lonnigan trilogy”

        There’s a PDF on the web, a movie, and a made-for-TV miniseries.

        And now we know why they wouldn’t let poor Rudolph join in any Reindeer games.

      • RoHa
        November 14, 2017, 10:26 pm

        “Remember, we share a lot of DNA with them!”

        Still sharing? Isn’t it about time you got DNA of your own?

      • Mooser
        November 15, 2017, 12:05 pm

        “Still sharing? Isn’t it about time you got DNA of your own?”

        Why? I very rarely need it. The upkeep and maintenance is expensive. So I rent, or work out a time-share arrangement. I go to Skamcestry.com. They specialize in untarnished escutcheons, by the day or hour.

  13. catalan
    November 13, 2017, 12:06 pm

    “Oh, these bloody Hebes. “ Vera Gotlieb
    The urban dictionary describes the term Hebe as a slur for a Jewish person. Honesty is important and it’s good to see people expressing their true feelings.

  14. James Canning
    November 13, 2017, 1:18 pm

    The Prince of Wales was quite right to deplore the degree of control exercised by the Israel lobby, over US policy regarding Israel/Palestine.

  15. Ossinev
    November 13, 2017, 1:46 pm

    @Kay24
    “As we can all expect, Prince Charles will soon be attacked, and accused, of being anti-semitic”

    I hope so. Zionists are so entrenched in their arrogance that it is not beyond even their stupidity to do so. Would be a massive own goal of course because the British Public irrespective of individual views on the monarchy as an institution would react very badly to a member of the Royal Family being smeared by Fifth (or filth ) Columnists.

  16. Rusty Pipes
    November 13, 2017, 9:51 pm

    Since Theresa May won’t apologize to Palestinians for the Balfour Declaration, perhaps Charles will.

  17. Marnie
    November 14, 2017, 1:53 am

    “The Mail says that Prince Charles has very good relations with the Jewish community but is widely thought to hold unorthodox views of the Middle East. A Jewish editor describes the letter as anti-Semitic for its treatment of Jewish influence.”

    It’s possible to have ‘good relations’ with someone or some thing and criticize it or question it at the same time. He was speaking the truth and honestly seemed perplexed that the all powerful united snakes couldn’t get that zionist gorilla off its back. Accusations of antisemitism – again!? It was refreshing, almost as refreshing as Coca-Cola before they changed the formula.

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