I’m blacklisted and banned from Israel, but for many others this is nothing new

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In Naftali Bennett’s recent opinion piece in the New York Times, he argues that Israel’s ban on entry of foreign BDS supporters is not only reasonable, logical, and necessary, but even compares it to the United States’ I-94W ban on the entry of Nazi collaborators. I am a Jewish student. I study at the preeminent institution of the academic study of Judaism in America, the Jewish Theological Seminary of America. And yet somehow, in the eyes of the state of Israel, due to my membership in Jewish Voice for Peace and the BDS movement, I am no better than a Nazi collaborator.

I am akin to a Nazi collaborator because I support a non-violent call to boycott, divest from, and sanction a state that continues to perpetrate crimes against a people under military occupation and refuses to allow its refugees to return to their homes. This rhetoric is nothing new, in fact it’s not a rare occurrence for pro-BDS Jews to be compared to Kapos—our supposed Holocaust equivalent—and has happened before at Columbia.

I want to be very clear that a thriving democracy does not ban supporters of a non-violent boycott movement from entry into their country. The United States recognizes this in the First Amendment, and, as ruled in the 1982 Supreme Court case, “National Association for the Advancement of Colored People v. Claiborne Hardware Co.,” peaceful advocacy of a politically motivated boycott is a democratic right of the people and responsibility for the government to uphold.

I was recently blacklisted as a BDS activist—doxxed by a right-wing pro-Israel website called Canary Mission that claims to be fighting racism. Instead, they compile dossiers on activists fighting for Palestinian human rights, listing the names, social media profiles, photos, and more of students like myself in a twisted attempt to intimidate us away from our activism. This type of reactionary politics reflects the truth of the situation in Israel and Palestine. The truth is that Naftali Bennett, Benjamin Netanyahu and every other supporter of BDS-bans in the U.S. and in Israel are afraid—afraid of the truth, afraid of the power of nonviolent boycott, and most of all, afraid of a mutiny.

Israel has never shied away from barring entry to people it considers a threat. The only new development here is that the so-called Jewish State will no longer welcome Jews who dare to question its foundational ideology. Since the founding of the State of Israel, discriminatory laws have been passed preventing people seen as a threat to the state—often racialized and limited to only non-Jewish Palestinians—from entering the country. These laws continue to this day, and are exemplified as racist in Israel’s recent plan to forcibly deport thousands of asylum seekers from countries such as Eritrea and Sudan—deportations that will likely deliver many people to their deaths.

The only difference here is that I, a white Jew, have been welcomed by the state of Israel since its founding in 1948. In fact, I lived in Israel for a year before coming to study at JTS and Columbia. But for 70 years, this exact same anti-democratic principle has applied to non-white, non-Jewish people, many of whom are direct descendants of the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians expelled with the founding of the State.

At the beginning of this piece, I drew attention to the fact that I am a Jewish student, attending the Jewish Theological Seminary. Clearly, my voice carries weight around this issue, and my travel ban appears especially egregious, because I am Jewish. But consider this: would my voice of protest be as easily heard if I was not Jewish, if, for example, I was a Palestinian student? If folks are outraged that people like me may now be banned from Israel, they should be outraged that my Palestinian friends on campus, and their families, have been barred from visiting, much less returning to, their homeland for generations. This ban is being recognized now since it finally affects Jews–the very people privileged in Israel over Palestinians. But it will not stop Jewish youth like me from continuing to fight for justice in solidarity with Palestinian voices calling for BDS. The movement for justice in Palestine will only be strengthened by actions such as Naftali Bennett’s. Let us use this BDS ban as a way to look back and recognize our past selective blindness; let us move forward to a movement dedicated to the struggle for democratic rights for Palestinians, Jews and all people living in Israel/Palestine.

This article was originally published on January 28, 2017 on Medium. 

About Jack Snyder

Jack Snyder is a Junior at the Jewish Theological Seminary and Columbia University studying Jewish Literature and Middle Eastern Studies. He is an active member of Columbia/Barnard Jewish Voice for Peace.

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  1. Citizen
    January 29, 2018, 3:32 pm

    Some non-Jewish Americans (98% of the US population) have been trying to protest this use of our tax dollars by Israel for decades. We have got nothing for our efforts except our elected government representatives ignoring us by, at most, sending us boilerplate hasbara, responses that could easily have been written by AIPAC youngsters. It’s been depressing and infuriating. I’m talking 20 years of this. I think Trump was elected because Americans such as myself were tired of our government not representing us, no matter which party was in power in Congress or the WH. This particular issue is only one of many, for example the Trickle Down always resulting in income gap growing like Topsy. The passage of state laws in a significant number of states that seek to stifle BDS is just another gigantic example of how little people like myself count in America. Trump’s continuation of the neocon-zionist foreign policy (he ran on the contrary program, similarly as he did anti-big banking), accented by his Jerusalem decision & his cutting of aid to Palestinian refugees, while simultaneously saying nothing about the endless billions we give Israel, no strings attached–is astronomically irritating to us. As I type, my own state, Florida, is busy passing an anti-BDS bill. Just saying.

  2. Emet
    January 29, 2018, 4:08 pm

    Implementation of goals as presented by some in the BDS movement would mean the end of the state of Israel and the Jewish state. Return into Israel proper, of so-called Arab descendants of those who say they left or were forced out of Palestine in 1948, would swing the numbers away from anyone with Jewish interests (besides Neturei Karta and similar). So yes Jack, you are a Kapo. And to deny the above is a confirmation that your head is so deep inside. To make things worse, there is no consensus within the BDS movement and this alone should have made you realize that the right thing to do was to pull your support a long time ago. You are being used. The term is a “useful idiot”.

    • Mooser
      January 29, 2018, 5:07 pm

      .” So yes Jack, you are a Kapo. The right thing to do was to pull your support a long time ago. You are being used. The term is a “useful idiot”.” “Emet”

      “Emet”, when you ask people to deny the evidence of their own eyes and study, you need at least one of three good reasons. First, people will deny reality out of love, to an extent. Second, out of fear of contradicting the powerful forces supporting the lies. And third, in expectation of a big pay-off, if they just overlook a few things.

      Which of those three do you think you have working for you “Emet”?

      • Mayhem
        January 29, 2018, 6:24 pm

        The BDS movement on American university campuses illustrates the true nature of BDS, with repeated shout downs of pro-Israel and free speech advocates. The spread of this BDS tactic shows the movement is a major proponent of intolerance. Like the concept of ‘intersectionality’ and ‘anti-fascist’ protests, these paths inevitably lead to conventional left-wing antisemitism. In this sense BDS exacerbates already yawning gaps in American politics and culture.

      • Talkback
        January 29, 2018, 7:37 pm

        Mayhem: “The BDS movement on American university campuses illustrates the true nature of BDS, with repeated shout downs of pro-Israel and free speech advocates. The spread of this BDS tactic shows the movement is a major proponent of intolerance. Like the concept of ‘intersectionality’ and ‘anti-fascist’ protests, these paths inevitably lead to conventional left-wing antisemitism. In this sense BDS exacerbates already yawning gaps in American politics and culture.”

        Rofl. You are such a hypocrite. Does anything that BDS does comes near to Israel and its lobbies pushing for LEGISLATION against its free speech? Does BDS ban anyone from entering a state?

      • Mayhem
        January 30, 2018, 8:53 pm

        @Talkback, free speech is not a free licence for hate speech.

      • Talkback
        January 31, 2018, 10:33 am

        Mayhem: “@Talkback, free speech is not a free licence for hate speech.”

        And it isn’t a licence to call everything that you don’t like hate speech. This has become one of the most infantile low IQ accusations ever. Beside the accusation of antisemitism.

    • Talkback
      January 29, 2018, 7:45 pm

      Emet: “Implementation of goals as presented by some in the BDS movement would mean the end of the state of Israel and the Jewish state. Return into Israel proper, of so-called Arab descendants of those who say they left or were forced out of Palestine in 1948, would swing the numbers away from anyone with Jewish interest.”

      Sounds fair to anyone that supports human rights. Sounds unfair to anyone who has more in common with Nazis than those he calls Kapos.

      • Emet
        January 30, 2018, 4:13 am

        Talkback, Jews have historic rights as well. To deny this emphatically, as you all seem so willing to do, is to live in lies and deception. If Jews do have rights that extend prior to recent history, then why don’t you list some for us? If you cannot, or do not want, then band standing on “human rights” means nothing. Oh, I see, Jews are not human. Now, where have I heard that before?

      • John O
        January 30, 2018, 12:03 pm

        @Emet

        Your post doesn’t even begin to make sense. In your first sentence, you say Jews have historic rights (although you don’t define “historic” or list any such rights). In your second sentence, you cast doubt on this by saying, “If Jews do have rights that extend prior to recent history”, but then ask Talkback to provide a list of these, when it is you who have claimed that such rights exist (before you cast that doubt).

        That said, my question to you is: what rights, historical or contemporary, do Jews have which are different to the rights of anyone else?

      • Mooser
        January 30, 2018, 12:21 pm

        “Talkback, Jews have historic rights as well”

        That’s right, Zionists believe it is basically a philo-Semitic world. Just ask, in the name of “the Jews” and you will receive.

      • Mooser
        January 30, 2018, 12:32 pm

        ” Oh, I see, Jews are not human. Now, where have I heard that before?” “Emet”

        You said it, “Emet”. Why, for the past week, there’s been a bunch of anti-semites here arguing that Jewish genes are different from other humans, and that this genetic difference entitles Jews to things!

      • Talkback
        January 30, 2018, 2:40 pm

        Sheqer: “Talkback, Jews have historic rights as well.”

        There’s no such thing as “historic rights” in international or human rights law. It’s a Zionist hoax.

        Sheqer: “To deny this emphatically, as you all seem so willing to do, is to live in lies and deception.”

        I don’t have to deny what legally doesn’t exist. Try to prove that “historic rights” are a legally relevant concept.

        Sheqer: If Jews do have rights that extend prior to recent history, then why don’t you list some for us? If you cannot, or do not want, then band standing on “human rights” means nothing.”

        When it comes to human rights there is no difference between Jews and Nonjews. But you have to create historic rights solely for Jews allthough these “rights” don’t exist.

        Sheqer: “Oh, I see, Jews are not human. Now, where have I heard that before?”

        Out of your own mouth. Just now. Why do you keep spreading antisemitism, Sheqer?

      • MHughes976
        January 30, 2018, 3:46 pm

        Everyone has the same human rights. No one has a normal right to march into a country where (s)he was not born, seize or ravage some of its houses and help exclude the inhabitants found there. Exception might arise if someone is a refugee from that place who has never accepted citizenship elsewhere.

    • Misterioso
      January 30, 2018, 10:45 am

      @Emet

      “…so-called Arab descendants of those who say they left or were forced out of Palestine in 1948,…”

      For the record:

      On April 3, 1948 Ben-Gurion ordered the implementation of Plan Dalet – a carefully prepared military operation to drive Arabs out of that portion of Palestine the Partition Plan had proposed as a Jewish state, and to also conquer and “cleanse” as much as possible of the proposed Arab state and Jerusalem (i.e., both West and East Jerusalem/the Old City), which along with Bethlehem, the Partition Plan had recommended be constituted an international city, i.e., corpus separatum.

      Israeli historian Benny Morris describes Plan D as “a strategic-ideological anchor and basis for expulsions by front, district, brigade and battalion commanders… and it gave commanders, post facto, a formal, persuasive covering note to explain their actions …. [It] was understood by all concerned that, militarily, the less Arabs remaining behind and along the front lines, the better and, politically, the less Arabs remaining in the Jewish State, the better.” (Benny Morris, Birth Of The Palestinian Problem 1947-1949, New York: Cambridge University Press, 1988, p. 289)

      In 2004, when asked by Ha’aretz journalist Ari Shavit what new information his just completed revised version of The Birth of the Palestinian Problem 1947-1949 would provide, Benny Morris replied: “It is based on many documents that were not available to me when I wrote the original book, most of them from the Israel Defense Forces Archives. What the new material shows is that there were far more Israeli acts of massacre than I had previously thought. To my surprise, there were also many cases of rape. In the months of April-May 1948, units of the Haganah were given operational orders that stated explicitly that they were to uproot the villagers, expel them and destroy the villages themselves.” (Ha’aretz, January 9, 2004)

      Mr. Davis’s observations are confirmed by the IDF Intelligence Branch Report dated 30 June 1948, entitled “The Arab Exodus from Palestine in the Period 1 December 1947 to 1 June 1948.” After studying the document, Benny Morris stated that “the Intelligence Branch report…goes out of its way to stress that the [Palestinian] exodus was contrary to the political-strategic desires of both the Arab Higher Committee and the governments of the neighboring Arab states. These, according to the report, struggled against the exodus – threatening, cajoling, and imposing punishments, all to no avail.” (Benny Morris, “The Causes and Character of the Arab Exodus from Palestine: The Israel Defense Force Intelligence Board Analysis of June 1948: Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. XXII, no. 1, January 1986)

      “Walter Eytan, then Director General of the Israeli Foreign Ministry, referred to the UNRWA registration of 726,000 [refugees] as ‘meticulous’ and believed that the ‘real number was close to 800,000’.” ((Benny Morris, Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem…, pp. 284, 297-98)

      The repeated assertion by Israeli leaders and other Zionists that Palestinians fled their homes and properties because they were told to do so by Arab leaders to make way for incoming Arab armies has long-since been debunked. To quote John H. Davis, who served as Commission-General of UNRWA at the time: “An exhaustive examination of the minutes, resolutions, and press releases of the Arab League, of the files of leading Arabic newspapers, of day-to-day monitoring of broadcasts from Arab capitals and secret Arab radio stations, failed to reveal a single reference, direct or indirect, to an order given to the Arabs of Palestine to leave. All the evidence is to the contrary; that the Arab authorities continuously exhorted the Palestinian Arabs not to leave the country…. Panic and bewilderment played decisive parts in the flight. But the extent to which the refugees were savagely driven out by the Israelis as part of a deliberate master-plan has been insufficiently recognized.” (John H. Davis, The Evasive Peace, London: Murray, 1968)

      Mr. Davis’s observations are confirmed by the IDF Intelligence Branch Report dated 30 June 1948, entitled “The Arab Exodus from Palestine in the Period 1 December 1947 to 1 June 1948.” After studying the document, Benny Morris stated that “the Intelligence Branch report…goes out of its way to stress that the [Palestinian] exodus was contrary to the political-strategic desires of both the Arab Higher Committee and the governments of the neighboring Arab states. These, according to the report, struggled against the exodus – threatening, cajoling, and imposing punishments, all to no avail.” (Benny Morris, “The Causes and Character of the Arab Exodus from Palestine: The Israel Defense Force Intelligence Board Analysis of June 1948: Middle Eastern Studies, Vol. XXII, no. 1, January 1986)

      • Kaisa of Finland
        January 30, 2018, 11:22 am

        You know, when Emet, in one of his previous comments, wrote:

        “If the Palestinians want to return, let them return to an Arab country. They will be more at home there..”

        I was thinking: “We can take hummus and falafel and baba ganoush, but you yourself, we don’t want..” Such a fair play.

      • Emet
        January 30, 2018, 12:40 pm

        Misterioso, If any units received and undertook Plan D it was only a few days before the end of hostilities. So what you have written has little impact on the bigger picture. There was not enough time to move the number of Arabs the Palestinian propaganda machine enjoy spewing out. Did some units force some Arabs out their villages? Probably. Did this reflect the events at the time. Definitely not.

      • John O
        January 30, 2018, 1:09 pm

        @Emet

        How do you know there was not enough time? Were you there? Were “Arabs” (i.e non-Jewish citizens of Palestine) forced out of their villages, or are all the photographs of exactly that happening faked? If so, by whom? Do you deny the Nabka?

      • Talkback
        January 30, 2018, 2:35 pm

        Sheqer: “If any units received and undertook Plan D it was only a few days before the end of hostilities.”

        April 1948 were not the end of the hostilities but the beginning of operations under plan Daleth to conquer areas beyond partition borders.

        Sheqer: “Did some units force some Arabs out their villages? Probably. Did this reflect the events at the time. Definitely not.”

        Israel destroyed more than 400 villages.

      • MHughes976
        January 30, 2018, 3:18 pm

        Even were it completely true that the mass of 1948 leavers left because they were called upon to do so by Arab governments who were expecting to send in their armies the decision to leave would have been entirely within their rights. The difference between a home and a prison is that you can come and go without anyone’s permission. The desire not to be in a war zone is a rational one. The decisive action was the decision to exclude them when they sought to return and this was completely wrongful.

      • Emet
        January 30, 2018, 3:45 pm

        John O, you talk about photographs. This is an interesting subject as the numbers manufactured by the Palestinian propaganda machine do not match up both to the photographs and the actual headcount per land mass of many of the villages. You see there is one thing the Arabs like to do. They like to build on the hills overlooking the fields below. On many such villages overlaying the average house size over the hilltop, taking into consideration an average number of family members, you cannot then reach the numbers inflated by the expert liers they are.

      • Misterioso
        January 30, 2018, 4:08 pm

        @Emet

        Your lack of knowledge of what took place between the River and the Sea between late 1947 and the end of 1948 is appalling and inexcusable. You live in a hasbara induced fantasy world.
        Enough said.

      • Mooser
        January 30, 2018, 6:17 pm

        “You live in a hasbara induced fantasy world.
        Enough said.”

        A fantasy world of unlimited philo-Semitism.

      • Emet
        January 31, 2018, 3:32 am

        Misteriso, are telling me that the numbers, as presented by the Palestinians, are accurate? Go on, take a stand. Accurate or Inaccurate? Careful now, you need to live or die by your answer.

        How many examples from me, showing gross inaccuracies, will it take for you to change your mind? Two, three, ten, twenty, fifty? What’s the number?

      • John O
        January 31, 2018, 8:20 am

        @Emet

        “John O, you talk about photographs. This is an interesting subject as the numbers manufactured by the Palestinian propaganda machine do not match up both to the photographs and the actual headcount per land mass of many of the villages. You see there is one thing the Arabs like to do. They like to build on the hills overlooking the fields below. On many such villages overlaying the average house size over the hilltop, taking into consideration an average number of family members, you cannot then reach the numbers inflated by the expert liers they are.”

        What on earth are you talking about? Your reply to my post wanders off the point quicker than a Donald Trump tweet.

        Insofar as I can understand your “argument”, you seem to be saying that photographic evidence of the Nabka must be faked, since the headcount in those photos is not equal to the estimated (by whom?) numbers of people living in hilltop villages in Palestine. Then you say the Arabs like to build on hilltops – not unlike the Israelis, especially the squatters in their settlements in Palestine. There’s doubtless a good reason why villages get built in appropriate places; just as here in the UK, we try not to build houses right next to rivers that flood in winter.

        And, of course, you can’t resist rounding off your comment with naked racism.

      • Talkback
        January 31, 2018, 10:19 am

        Just replace “Palestinians” with “Jews” and Emet just sounds like a typical Holocaust denier.

  3. john douglas
    January 29, 2018, 5:26 pm

    If someone were to write a book about Zionist rhetoric, the many sneaky little things they do to “make the weaker arguments seem the stronger” there could be a chapter on Emet. Return to “Israel proper”? Where is that? Is there such a place? Proper? “so-called descendents”, just slip it in there, no reasoning, creeps argue that way. “those who say they … were forced out.” as if there were doubt. Slippery Emet knows there’s no doubt, but wants to cast it anyway. A liar. “There is no consensus …” about what? Emet doesn’t say. There is certainly no consensus among Jewish Israelis about how much Palestinian land to steal. Why hasn’t Emet given it up? Joined the human rights campaign. Be a mensch rather than acting like a useless idiot.

  4. Steve Grover
    January 29, 2018, 10:19 pm

    It is time for JTS to ban JVP members. JVP members have no place in Conservative Judaism.

    • James North
      January 29, 2018, 10:51 pm

      Mooser: You’ve gone too far with your sock puppet this time. Ban JVP from “Conservative” Judaism? What happened to Tribal Unity? No real person would post anything this silly.

      • Steve Grover
        January 30, 2018, 10:48 am

        Um North -JTS is the main Rabbinical School for Conservative Judaism. It is governed by the USCJ (United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism). And USCJ is a pro-Israel and Zionist organization. So being against the existence of the Jewish State of Israel is against the values of Conservative Judaism and JTS.

      • Mooser
        January 30, 2018, 12:16 pm

        “James North”, don’t you see? The more Jews kicked out, the more Jews considered unworthy, why, the more Jewish there is for each remaining Jew!

      • yonah fredman
        January 30, 2018, 12:22 pm

        It is not a ridiculous idea, but a litmus test on BDS as a requirement for entering JTS seems to me a little extreme.

      • Mooser
        January 30, 2018, 1:06 pm

        “but a litmus test on BDS as a requirement for entering JTS seems to me a little extreme.”

        “Yonah”, the overwhelming crush of applicants for JTS means we can be as selective as necessary. And woe to those who enter under false pretenses, or change their mind.

      • Talkback
        January 30, 2018, 2:55 pm

        Steve Grover: “So being against the existence of the Jewish State of Israel is against the values of Conservative Judaism and JTS.”

        Sounds liberating and wonderful.

      • Steve Grover
        January 30, 2018, 3:50 pm

        Yonah sez “It is not a ridiculous idea, but a litmus test on BDS as a requirement for entering JTS seems to me a little extreme.”
        JTS is graduating leaders in Judaism including Rabbis, Hazzans and Jewish Educators. Part of the values of the institution is love for the Jewish State of Israel. JVP is all about hatred directed towards the State of Israel. If an applicant is a member of JVP, that member should be denied admission. If a student joins JVP after admission that should be grounds for expulsion.
        My guess Snyder is enrolled at Columbia or Barnard and is taking a few classes at JTS and will not be receiving any degree or certificate or Smicha from JTS.

      • Mooser
        January 30, 2018, 5:42 pm

        “JTS is graduating leaders in Judaism including Rabbis, Hazzans and Jewish Educators. Part of the values of the institution is love for the Jewish State of Israel” “Steve Grover”

        And “Steve Grover” copied that straight from the JTS ‘mission statement’! It’s not something he made up!
        Well, there we go. Can we stop all those silly arguments about Zionism vs. Judaism now?

    • Talkback
      January 30, 2018, 3:38 am

      Steve Grover: “It is time for JTS to ban JVP members. JVP members have no place in Conservative Judaism.”

      It’s time for the world to ban Zionism. Zionists have not place in a world that rejects Apartheid.

      • Mooser
        January 30, 2018, 6:27 pm

        Steve Grover: “It is time for JTS to ban JVP members. JVP members have no place in Conservative Judaism.”

        “Steve’s” a big booster for Reform Judaism.

      • Steve Grover
        January 30, 2018, 7:05 pm

        Mooser Sez: ““Steve’s” a big booster for Reform Judaism.”
        The vast majority of JVP Rabbis are Reconstructionist and not Reformed. So go see your plastic surgeon.

      • Mooser
        January 30, 2018, 9:38 pm

        “The vast majority of JVP Rabbis are Reconstructionist and not Reformed.”

        Good Lord! Reconstructionist, Reform, Conservative, and how many flavors of Orthodox?

        How many denominations, factions, sects, (whatever you want to call them), are there in Judaism? Who do they answer to? Where’s the unity? Who calls the shots?

        “So go see your plastic surgeon.”

        Wow, not even “Boris” has got Jewish facial recognition figured out right down to the denominational level! I bet he could tell me if I have an Orthodox, Conservative or Reform nose.

      • Keith
        January 31, 2018, 10:51 am

        MOOSER- ” I bet he could tell me if I have an Orthodox, Conservative or Reform nose.”

        And then there are those with “Reconstructionist” noses.

      • Mooser
        January 31, 2018, 12:13 pm

        “And then there are those with “Reconstructionist” noses.”

        I must be slipping. My own sock-puppet set up the joke, and I missed my punchline. Thanks for picking up the slack, “Keith”

  5. JJ
    January 30, 2018, 1:02 am

    Hey Jack:

    Did you even read the Supreme Court case that you cited?

    You state: “I want to be very clear that a thriving democracy does not ban supporters of a non-violent boycott movement from entry into their country. The United States recognizes this in the First Amendment, and, as ruled in the 1982 Supreme Court case, “National Association for the Advancement of Colored People v. Claiborne Hardware Co.,” peaceful advocacy of a politically motivated boycott is a democratic right of the people and responsibility for the government to uphold.”

    Yet, the case has NOTHING to do with the First Amendment’s applicability into immigration or entry-into the US. Perhaps you read the case, but you certainly don’t understand it. (It is like saying that the Palestinians have a so-called “right of resistance” – that does not exist anywhere).

    Further, the First Amendment does not apply outside the United States. Moreover, most European countries (and Middle Eastern countries) do not have free-speech laws that would comply with the First Amendment.

    • Annie Robbins
      January 30, 2018, 1:30 am

      Yet, the case has NOTHING to do with the First Amendment’s applicability into immigration or entry-into the US.

      hey jj, i don’t think jack made any point NAACP v. Claiborne was about a “First Amendment’s applicability into immigration”.

      Perhaps you read the case, but you certainly don’t understand it. (It is like saying that the Palestinians have a so-called “right of resistance” – that does not exist anywhere).

      NAACP v. Claiborne is like saying palestinians have a right to resist, which doesn’t exist? what? you’ve really got me confused. and yes, i do very much know what the case is about. and the relationship BDS has to the Port Gibson Boycott is remarkable, almost uncanny.

    • Talkback
      January 30, 2018, 3:44 am

      Zionist: “It is like saying that the Palestinians have a so-called “right of resistance” – that does not exist anywhere.”

      Sure. Jews, too, had not right to resist Nazis and their occupations, right? Boy, Zionism has certainly corrupted your sense of Justice and every people’s right to resist occupation and alien domination.

      Perhaps you read this resolution, but you certainly don’t understand it:
      “1. Reaffirms the inalienable right of all peoples under colonial rule, foreign domination and alien subjugation to self-determination, freedom and independence in conformity with General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and other relevant resolutions of the United Nations;

      2. Renews its call to all States to recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples subject to colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation and to offer them moral, material and other forms of assistance in their struggle to exercise fully their inalienable right to self-determination and independence;

      3. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the peoples’ struggle for liberation form colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation by all available means, including armed struggle;
      https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/C867EE1DBF29A6E5852568C6006B2F0C

      The right to resistance against coloninal and foreign domination and alien subjugation is based upon the right to self determination enshrined in the UN Charter. An occupation violates this right.

      • Nathan
        January 30, 2018, 7:49 pm

        Talkback – Let’s accept your point of view without debate and conclude that the Palestinians have the right of resistance in accordance to the UN resolutions that you bring to our attention. Now I’m curious as to what is your opinion vis-a-vis Israel’s actions in face of the Palestinian resistance. If it is legitimate in the framework of resistance to shoot a missile at an Israeli town or to stab Israelis in the streets, is it also legitimate for the Israelis to use force in the face of these acts of resistance? In other words, would it make sense to you that someone might shoot the Palestinian who is stabbing Israelis in the street, or would the Palestinian right of resistance mean by definition that it is illegitimate to take actions against legitimate acts of resistance?

      • Mooser
        January 30, 2018, 10:34 pm

        “that it is illegitimate to take actions against legitimate acts of resistance?”

        That’s about the size of it.
        However, don’t despair, “Nathan”. If Palestine is brimming with easily-extracted, very valuable resources, and provides an almost unlimited amount of virgin land for developing, such that all kinds of people pour in from all over the world,the worst sins of colonialism may be overlooked. So what do you got? A Jewish sentimental attachment to the place? Hmmmm, think that’s enough?

      • Annie Robbins
        January 31, 2018, 4:02 am

        nathan, here’s a video i thought you might like

        The Walls Come Tumblin’ Down.

      • Nathan
        January 31, 2018, 10:20 am

        Annie Robbins – Thanks for the film. It was quite interesting. It’s very clear that the story of the conquest of Canaan by Joshua is fiction. Actually, all the cities that he supposedly destroyed were already in ruins for centuries before the Israelite settlement. But no one is saying that there weren’t Israelites. You once argued with me about David. You tried to cast doubt on the authenticity of the Tel Dan finding that mentions the House of David. But no one is saying that there wasn’t a Kingdom of Judah. You like to bring as examples all those Biblical stories that are legends, but the basic story of the Bible remains intact: There was an ancient people called Israel and Judah on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea. Even if this people did not escape slavery in Egypt, they still founded kingdoms. If you had any doubts, you would have said that the existence of Biblical Israel is also a fable. I understand that you won’t go on record saying that there was a Kingdom of Israel, but It’s obvious that you know that its existence is not mythology.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 31, 2018, 3:02 pm

        nathan, i don’t recall ever claiming or even thinking there were no israelites. care to find some quote of mine that refutes that? also, that bbc video is almost 2 hours long (and there’s a pt 2 also). did you watch the whole thing? because your comment suggests you didn’t. did you watch the part about Tel Dan? i didn’t post the video because i agreed with everything they were saying, because this is not my area of expertise. i posted it because it demonstrates there are many doubts by educated professionals, due to a lack of evidence (which they repeatedly emphasize is not proof something did not exist), including many israeli archaeologists.

        but it doesn’t make sense discussing it if you have not watched it. there’s a whole series on these sorts of questions i’ve yet to watch. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0356xk3/episodes/guide

      • Talkback
        January 31, 2018, 10:52 am

        Nathan: “Let’s accept your point of view without debate and conclude that the Palestinians have the right of resistance in accordance to the UN resolutions that you bring to our attention.”

        Again, it is not 1.) my point of view but the UN’s view that 2.) ALL people whose right to self determination is denied have a right to resist this. Not only the Palestininians. This is a principle based on universal values. Something you obviously continue to fail to understand.

        Nathan: “If it is legitimate in the framework of resistance to shoot a missile at an Israeli town or to stab Israelis in the streets, …”

        Nobody said that it is. You are confusing ius ad bellum with ius in bellum. But bear in mind that an occupation attacks the whole civilian society. One cannot uphold a belligerent occupation without terrorizing civilians.

        Nathan: “… is it also legitimate for the Israelis to use force in the face of these acts of resistance?”

        The occupier is the aggressor. Not the occupied people. The correct question still is: Does an occupied people have a right to use force in the face of these acts of aggression which targets and oppresses a whole civilian society? To even question this right is perverse.

      • Nathan
        January 31, 2018, 2:44 pm

        Talkback – Nobody is questioning the right of resistance of an occupied people. My question for you is about those who face that legitimate resistance. Let’s take as an example a soldier of an occupation against whom an occupied person very legitimately confronts with a knife. Now, again, nobody is debating the right of resistance of an occupied people. But what about the soldier? Does he have the right to save himself? Is he entitled to shoot the occupied person who wishes to kill the aggressor within the right of legitimate resistance?

      • eljay
        January 31, 2018, 3:02 pm

        || Nathan: … nobody is debating the right of resistance of an occupied people. But what about the soldier? Does he have the right to save himself? Is he entitled to shoot the occupied person who wishes to kill the aggressor within the right of legitimate resistance? ||

        I’m curious: What about German soldiers? Did they have the right to save themselves? Were they entitled to shoot the oppressed Jews who wished to kill them within the right of legitimate resistance?

      • Mooser
        January 31, 2018, 3:19 pm

        “Let’s take as an example a soldier of an occupation against…”

        Israel’s actions are not an “occupation”. That is just a term of convenience for the illegal settlement project.

  6. wdr
    January 30, 2018, 3:21 am

    The only Palestinians who conceivably have a “right of return” are those who actually left in 1948- not their descendants born elsewhere- any more than you have a “right of return” to Russia, if your great-grandparents left there because of anti-Semitism. Most Palestinians are “white,” although the author wants to change their skin colour (see above). Many Jewish immigrants to Israel are non-white. The author appears to be a trouble making ratbag, who is simply trying to harm the State of Israel and help its enemies- of course what this site is about. How about looking critically at Islamic repression, discrimination, violence, etc. etc.?

    • eljay
      January 30, 2018, 8:57 am

      || wdr: The only Palestinians who conceivably have a “right of return” are those who actually left in 1948- not their descendants born elsewhere- any more than you have a “right of return” to Russia, if your great-grandparents left there because of anti-Semitism. … ||

      Thank you for once again underscoring the fact that the so-called “Law of ‘Return'” for Jewish so-called “exiles” is nothing more than religion-supremacist bunk.

    • Bumblebye
      January 30, 2018, 10:25 am

      Taking your argument to its conclusion then, there should be no such law as israel’s “Law of Return”. One or two out of a squillion ancestors two and more millennia ago hailing from the region does not a valid claim make. In fact, having that absurd law actually *validates* exiled Palestinians and their grandchildren’s claims. After all, the fact that ‘x’ generations ago their own ancestors converted from Judaism didn’t change their rights to or ownership of the land. It’s likely that by far the majority of their ancestors were there two millennia ago.

    • Mooser
      January 30, 2018, 12:51 pm

      ” The author appears to be a trouble making ratbag, who is simply trying to harm the State of Israel and help its enemies- of course what this site is about. “

      So, “wdr” f we get rid of all the “trouble making ratbags” how many Jews will be left?
      Will it be enough?

    • Talkback
      January 30, 2018, 3:06 pm

      Wdr: “The only Palestinians who conceivably have a “right of return” are those who actually left in 1948- not their descendants born elsewhere …”

      Nope. Everybody who counts as a refugee has the right to repatriate. The principle under UNHCR is called “family reunification”. But racists want to tear refugee families apart, don’t they?

      Wdr: “any more than you have a “right of return” to Russia, if your great-grandparents left there because of anti-Semitism.”

      That’s different. They don’t count as refugees. But good for you that you deny that Jews have a right to return to Palestine wheter because of antisemitism or not.

      • MHughes976
        January 30, 2018, 3:53 pm

        I think that if many of my ancestors had left Russia in fear of their lives and their descendants had always spoken Russian and never accepted citizenship in another country – not intermarrying sufficiently to acquire such – then I would have a reasonable claim on Putin to take me back.

  7. jon s
    January 30, 2018, 4:46 am

    The ban on BDS supporters is stupid and counter-productive. If it was up to me BDS activists would be welcomed with red-carpet, VIP, treatment.

    Nevertheless it’s ironic that boycotters complain about being boycotted themselves.

    • eljay
      January 30, 2018, 9:29 am

      || jon s: … Nevertheless it’s ironic that boycotters complain about being boycotted themselves. ||

      No kidding. It’s kind of like Israel singling out the world’s only Iranian state or Syrian state and then complaining that the world’s only “Jewish State” is being singled out.

    • Mooser
      January 30, 2018, 1:00 pm

      ” If it was up to me”

      “Over the years I’ve devoted considerable time and effort to trying to understand and empathize with the Palestinian narrative, without being alienated from our own people.” “Jon s” , wordsearch: “alienated”

      “So I prefer not to be alienated from our people’s identity, heritage and culture.” “Jon s”

      Basically, “Jon s” if you step out of line, if you make one serious squawk about Zionism, you lose everything. You will lose your job and your family will be in danger. That’s life in “Beersheba” You may have to come back to the USA and see Christmas lights!

      • James North
        January 30, 2018, 1:10 pm

        Even worse — step out of line on BDS and you can’t become a Conservative rabbi! (What did all the potential rabbis do before Israel was founded?) I seem to recall rabbis who oppose Zionism, but maybe it’s just my imagination. After all, Mooser’s sock-puppet, “Grover,” knows more about this than the rest of us.

      • Mooser
        January 30, 2018, 6:31 pm

        “Even worse — step out of line on BDS and you can’t become a Conservative rabbi!”

        Why settle for Conservative Rabbis who are merely committed to Judaism, when you can get Conservative Rabbis who are compromised or complicit?

      • Mooser
        January 30, 2018, 8:34 pm

        “After all, Mooser’s sock-puppet, “Grover,” knows more about this than the rest of us.”

        That’s true, but he’s not the only Zionist who has hastened to assure us that Rabbis are hired servitors, who must not exhibit any moral or political independence from the Temple Board.

  8. genesto
    January 30, 2018, 12:53 pm

    Once again, welcome to the club! I’m thinking of making up t-shirts saying, “If you haven’t been banned from Israel, you’re not working hard enough for Palestinian justice!”.

    Gene St.Onge,
    Banned from Israel until June, 2020, for participating in the 2010 Gaza Freedom Flotilla (and likely forever because of BDS support, anti- Zionism, etc., etc.—)

  9. James Canning
    January 30, 2018, 1:06 pm

    Was BDS a good thing for South Africa? Clearly, the answer is affirmative. I think BDS can work in Israel’s favour.

  10. aloeste
    January 30, 2018, 1:16 pm

    thank G-d that unlike the USA, Israel protects itself from enemies who wish to destroy it…
    next he will complain that his religion is not officially recognized in Israel , because it’s not

    those who wish to eliminate the ‘zionist entity’ belong on the other 99.99% of the earth’s surface. you hate the State-stay away! dine with your Juden raus von Palestina friends….

    • eljay
      January 30, 2018, 1:33 pm

      || aloeste: thank G-d that unlike the USA, Israel protects itself from enemies who wish to destroy it… ||

      More correctly: Thank gawd that the USA helps the colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” protect itself from justice, accountability and equality.

      || … you hate the State-stay away! … ||

      You Zionists hate the Middle East-stay away!

    • Mooser
      January 30, 2018, 1:34 pm

      “those who wish to eliminate the ‘zionist entity’ belong on the other 99.99% of the earth’s surface.” “Aloeste”

      This isn’t fair, “Aloeste”! 99.99% of the earths surface vs. Israel?

      You’re not going to give the earth’s surface any better odds than that?

    • John O
      January 30, 2018, 1:38 pm

      @aloeste

      How does the USA fail to protect itself from enemies wishing to destroy it (apart from the election of P45)? It has rather a large military, and a pretty big economy, not to mention no current enemies who have sworn to destroy it and have the capability of doing so.

      Who will complain that his religion is not recognised in Israel? If you are referring to Jack Snyder, at this stage in a long thread, you could do us all the courtesy of clarifying who you are talking about.

      And. as we have to keep reminding you, it is not about “Juden raus von Palestina”, but about equal rights for all who live in Israel and Palestine, whatever their religion or ethnic heritage.

    • Talkback
      January 30, 2018, 2:31 pm

      Aloeste: “dine with your Juden raus von Palestina friends….”

      Are you inventing “Juden raus von Palestina friends” to distract from the fact that you and all of your Zionist friends have to keep Palestinians expelled to maintain a racist Apartheid state?

  11. Ossinev
    January 30, 2018, 1:38 pm

    @aloeste
    Getting carried away with yourself old son. Just try and calm down.
    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=calm+down+calm+down

    Remember there are two sides to every coin as in thank God the Palestinians resist enemies(Zionists) who wish to destroy them.Try turning the coin over just once to see what`s on the other side.

  12. Avigail Abarbanel
    January 30, 2018, 2:41 pm

    Join the club Jack Snyder, my friend. It’s a good club.

  13. Vera Gottlieb
    January 30, 2018, 3:02 pm

    Banned the entry of Nazi collaborators? Then what was Operation Paper Clip all about? Bringing in Nazi scientists, etc. Werner von Braun ring a bell???

  14. Nathan
    January 31, 2018, 3:52 pm

    Yes, Annie Robbins, I watched the whole video. It was good. In the past, you would mention that the Exodus story or the kingdoms of David and Solomon are legends. I commented in return that the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah are historical. In other words, the Bible also includes real information. Since you didn’t answer with a statement that indeed it is obvious to you that these ancient kingdoms are real history, I repeated myself a few times. Thanks again for the film. Archeology is always interesting.

  15. Jane Stillwater
    February 1, 2018, 1:27 pm

    I’ve been thrown out of “Israel” as well. September 2017. Allenby Bridge. After six hours of interrogation. HOW MANY OTHER AMERICANS HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT TOO? And isn’t that illegal? Because Israelis can come and go in the USA with no questions asked.

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