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There are only two kinds of Jews. You are either a Chuck Schumer or a Dianne Feinstein. All the other distinctions are meaningless– religious, cultural, political. The only one that counts is between Jews who care about the opinions of all people and those who care only about the opinions of Jews.

The Feinsteins are epitomized by Dianne Feinstein because she has spoken out against Israeli human rights abuses in the occupied territories. In the Senate no less. And Senator Feinstein is from California, the home of the progressive future. Feinsteins believe that all people are equal.

The second group is epitomized by Chuck Schumer at the Israel lobby group AIPAC last week. He gave a speech laced with Hebrew that derided Arabs, saying that there is not peace because Palestinians don’t understand the Jewish connection to our homeland– because “they don’t believe in the Torah.” It is hard to imagine a stupider statement. A lot of people said the speech was disgusting.

The Schumers are on top. These provincials define the organized Jewish community.

It used to be that Jews were cosmopolitan. We were people of the world. But the Schumers are just the people of Israel, and focused on the Jewish nation.

Though the Feinsteins are coming on strong.

You can make any other distinction you please. Religious observance, intermarriage, Hebrew-literacy, Christmas trees,  but this is the most meaningful one because it defines our time. It is all that will matter as Israel continues its apartheid meltdown with U.S. Jewish support. Do you think about how the world looks at Israel and its Jewish support– or do you close ranks and think about how Jews in Israel look on their society– pretty darn good! Do you ask, Is it good for the world? Or is it good for the Jews? Are you particular or are you universal?

The Schumers are careful only to speak to other Schumers because their numbers are dwindling fast in the next generation. Schumer berates young people for not understanding that Israel is the victim. While David Harris who makes $500,000 a year to defend Israel, visits a privileged Westchester synagogue and has no idea why the young are turning against his cause:

What is it that brings shame among some? What are we doing wrong in our homes? What are we doing wrong in our schools?

It’s what you’ve done right in your schools that makes Jews into Feinsteins.

Do you pitch your voice to a democratic human audience, or do you pitch it to a selected Jewish audience, that is the question? Are you Bari Weiss and Bret Stephens telling the Jewish Community Center that Israel has nothing to be ashamed of–and they should read Yossi Klein Halevi on the conflict? Or are you Roger Cohen, and tell the same audience, there is much to be ashamed of, and there is good reason the young are turning against Israel.

I am not speaking strictly about Zionism, but about a broader divide in Jewish consciousness that is sure to undermine Zionism in the end. And there are liberal Zionists among the Feinsteins. They showed themselves over the Ahed Tamimi case. Jews who care about Jewish opinion have nothing good to say about the Palestinian girl who slapped an occupying Israeli soldier after her cousin was shot in the face, and who has now spent 80 days in jail for doing so, even as Israelis consider whether to drop her in the sea. J Street is paralyzed by Ahed Tamimi because J Street is inside the Jewish bubble, trying to please the older generation.

Imaging being paralyzed by Martin Luther King because you must think about what the white southerners will say.

But anyone with a heart has taken her side. Lara Friedman, IfNotNow Jews, Lisa Goldman, Mairav Zonszein: they are on the side of the traumatized Palestinian girl resisting occupation.

Peter Beinart is a Feinstein. He used to speak to AIPAC, but now he tears down AIPAC. He is conservative religiously, but he looks to how the world sees Jews. He recognizes that Jews are powerful in the U.S. and he wishes to be accountable for his portion of that power in the eyes of the world, not only of Jews.

The Israeli author Daniel Gordis is the opposite of Beinart– a Schumer all the way. He gave a speech at AIPAC saying the world has blinders on to only see occupation. These conflict-obsessed people are forgetting the fact that Jews “have had something to say” to western civilization for a long time. Capitalism, socialism, communism, feminism– Jews have been at the forefront of these great ideas, he said. Why, we brought about a “revolution” in human history with the marriage contract granting rights to women.

Gordis is preening, using Jewish intellectual traditions of the last century and ancient times to justify the provincial Jewish nationalism that so defines Jewish life today: in which Israeli Jewish society lines up behind massacres in Gaza and behind sectioning off nearly half the population in bantustans.

Then Chuck Schumer jumps in to make sure that intolerance will have blind American Jewish organizational support.

Maybe that argument works for a Jewish-centered audience. But it won’t work for universalists. Feinsteins understand that there is no smooth logic to how the world moves ahead. Still it tries. And today the occupation is glaring because it causes so much suffering, because it is Islamophobic, because it exposes the hypocrisy of the democracy-loving west. And because countless struggles for freedom have had their place in line but the Palestinians have been sent to the end of the line again and again.

It doesn’t matter whether you’re intermarried or inmarried, synagogue-going or unaffiliated. Trained in Torah or trained in Dylan and Facebook– you can be a Feinstein, or you can be a Schumer. And there is only one way to go forward.

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  1. eljay
    March 12, 2018, 12:36 pm

    … Feinsteins believe that all people are equal. …

    Dianne Feinstein:

    … your government’s efforts … not only directly imperil a two-state solution, but we believe also endanger Israel’s future as a Jewish democracy. We urge you to change course so that you do not foreclose the possibility of establishing two states for two peoples. …

    Feinsteins appear to be “liberal Zionsts”.

    About Dianne / Foreign Affairs:

    Senator Feinstein believes the only way to secure Israel as a democratic, Jewish state is to establish an independent Palestinian state by its side. …

    Yup, “liberal Zionist”.

    • festus
      March 12, 2018, 1:40 pm

      Yeah…Feinstein is a Zionist, not a humanist. She clearly cares far more about Jews in Israel than the non Jews in Israel and the occupied territories.

      • Rob Roy
        March 13, 2018, 2:53 pm

        Rob Roy March 13, 2018, 2:45 pm
        There are no Senators in the US Congress (since Dennis Kucinich left) who are against apartheid or who are pro-Palestinians. How do I know? All 100 signed the letter stating that they wouldn’t criticize Israel. Not one dissented. Not one.
        The ONLY solution to the conflict is equality for all, one state, one person-one vote. The Israelis are so afraid of this they can’t even consider equality. They say that they would be out-voted and destroyed by the Palestinians when in fact they would not. When I’m in Palestine, most people tell me they just want to live in peace, without fear…and the Jews can do the same. When I’m in Israel, I’m told they would never go to the West Bank because “I would be killed.”
        Gideon Levy says there are three driving forces of Israelis’ beliefs: 1) they are the “chosen” and therefore superior to all others; 2) the Jews are the victims, the only victims; 3) Palestinians /Arabs are less than human and therefore not worthy of the same considerations as Jews.
        That sums it up.

      • Jackdaw
        March 14, 2018, 2:17 am

        @Rob Roy

        “When I’m in Israel, I’m told they would never go to the West Bank because “I would be killed.”

        Rob. I think hundreds of thousands of Jews already live in Judea and Samaria.

    • Paranam Kid
      March 13, 2018, 9:54 am

      Liberal Zionist is an oxymoron: there is no such thing as a liberal racist.
      She is for a 2-state solution not out of concern for the Palestinians or their right to self-determination, but because she does not want them in Israel, better to keep them in a state of their own that is economically and militarily dependent on Israel. And the Palestinians in Israel proper can remain 2nd class citizens with all the Apartheid rules in place as per the Adalah list.

      • genesto
        March 13, 2018, 1:43 pm

        Yeah, sorry Phil, but I have to agree with will these people. If you said there are only two kinds of Jews IN CONGRESS, the Schumers and the Feinsteins, I would have agreed with you. But, as pointed out above, you are talking about liberal vs hard right Zionists, leaving out my wife and all the progressive, anti-Zionist Jews that we hope will help lead the transformation to justice for all in the future.

        I think further explanation – or even a retraction – is on order here.

      • amigo
        March 14, 2018, 12:13 pm

        “Rob. I think hundreds of thousands of Jews already live in Judea and Samaria.” jackduh

        Correction jack-duh.

        1, There is no Judea and Samaria.It is known as “OCCUPIED PALESTINE” and considered so by every nation on this planet , except of course by the lillte rogue pip squeak tin pot entity , so called israel.

        2, Your hundreds of thousands of Jews are illegal squatter thieves and are all in violation of the 4th GC article 14 which makes them war criminals.

        Your welcome.

    • TwoRedDogs
      March 13, 2018, 10:23 pm

      Phil is correct. Feinstein is as good as it gets. But right now, Mort Klein is in charge.

      The ‘Alt-right’ Plot Against McMaster, Spurred by Its Jewish Fellow Travelers

      If ever there was a mnage trois made in hell, it is the one between Steve Bannon, Mort Klein and Caroline Glick

      Dov S. Zakheim Aug 10, 2017 11:24 PM
      The recent Breitbart News scoop, headlined Exclusive – Zionist Organization of America Analysis Determines McMaster Hostile to Trump, Calls for Reassignment, is the latest indication of the unholy alliance between the so-called alt-right and extreme Zionists that seeks to oust U.S. National Security Advisor General H. R. McMaster.

      Breitbart reported that ZOA, backed in large part by Trump ally GOP mega-donor and Israel defender Sheldon Adelson, is calling for President Trump at the very least to reassign McMaster to a different administration position where he can do no more harm to Israel and efforts to battle radical Islamic terrorism. Breitbart added that the ZOAs critique, articulated by its long-time president Mort Klein, was provided to Breitbart News exclusively ahead of its public release.

      Until he joined the administration, Steve Bannon headed Breitbart, a source of nasty, often misleading reports that at times had anti-Semitic overtones. Mort Klein, the ZOAs leader, has long been known as an outlier on the American Jewish spectrum, reflecting the most extreme views of the Israeli settler community and its allies in both Israel and America. One of those Israeli allies is Caroline Glick, who has articulated views similar to Kleins. If ever there was a mnage trois made in hell, it is this one.

      Dov S. Zakheim was Under Secretary of Defense (2001-2004) and Deputy Under Secretary of Defense (1985-87)

      https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-the-plot-against-mcmaster-1.5441955

      • echinococcus
        March 13, 2018, 11:00 pm

        if

        Phil is correct. Feinstein is as good as it gets

        then
        the only solution for all the rest of us is collective suicide

  2. Donald Johnson
    March 12, 2018, 1:11 pm

    I sorta wish you had chosen someone other than Feinstein, but I guess the idea here is that of the big tent. You have people, imperfect as we all are, who at least recognize that there are basic human rights issues at stake and then you have Chuck Schumer and Bari Weiss and AIPAC and millions of rightwing Christian Zionists.

  3. ckg
    March 12, 2018, 1:24 pm

    Which kind is Richard Blum, the husband of Diane Feinstein? Blum is the scourge of pro-Palestinian rights advocates at California universities. In 2015 Glenn Greenwald wrote an article titled The Greatest Threat to Campus Free Speech is Coming From Dianne Feinstein and her Military-Contractor Husband

    • Paranam Kid
      March 13, 2018, 9:57 am

      Good point. The more articles written by Phil Weiss I read, the more I see he is pushing the “liberal” Zionist concept and agenda. He refuses to admit that Israel in its current form, with its current polity, lacks any legitimacy and needs to be dismantled and rebuilt from the ground up.

  4. broadside
    March 12, 2018, 1:28 pm

    There’s no Third Jew, Phil? Really? No Jew who neither “loves” nor “really loves” Israel? How ’bout can’t stand the place? Or are we all still waiting for the Fourth Jew to be born?

    And if Feinstein, Cohen, and Beinart are the good Jews, God save us all. Feinstein seeking a sixth term is like Bess Myerson being fitted for a new bathing suit: not good for the Jews, not good for anyone.

    • Mooser
      March 12, 2018, 8:54 pm

      “There’s no Third Jew, Phil? Really?”

      At the level of US Senators, maybe not.

  5. Keith
    March 12, 2018, 2:53 pm

    PHIL- “There are only two kinds of Jews. You are either a Chuck Schumer or a Dianne Feinstein. All the other distinctions are meaningless– religious, cultural, political.”

    I agree, however, I am not sure you fully realize what you are saying. Also, I am not sure I can analyze your article and pass moderation. Yes, it is a true measure of Zionism’s success that it is support for Israel (with or without criticism) which defines “Jewishness.” Zionism has resurrected the tribalism of medieval (Classical) Judaism. Those “Jews” who don’t demonstrate sufficient tribal loyalty through fealty to Israel and Zionism aren’t “real Jews,” and are considered traitors to their Jewish heritage. When I say loyalty to Israel, I mean loyalty to the existence of the Jewish State, not necessarily the current policies and administration of Benjamin Netanyahu. Most “liberal” Jews dislike Netanyahu and pay lip service to equal rights for Palestinians, yet they strongly support imperial support for Israel.

    PHIL- “Are you particular or are you universal?”

    Feinstein and Beinart are for Israel as a state of all of its citizens, not a Jewish state? Why wasn’t I informed? To paraphrase Jabotinsky, the difference between Schumer and Feinstein is the difference between Zionist meat eaters and Zionist vegetarians, a difference in tactics only.

    PHIL- ” Trained in Torah or trained in Dylan and Facebook– you can be a Feinstein, or you can be a Schumer. And there is only one way to go forward.”

    No offense but, you have your head in the clouds and your feet in quicksand. Until you deal with Zionism as a form of Jewish elite power seeking involving an underlying hostility to non-Jews, you will never grasp the reality of Zionism. Also, Zionism has significantly merged with imperialism, neoliberal globalization its logical conclusion.

    • Paranam Kid
      March 13, 2018, 10:02 am

      Keith, I agree with you, esp. with that last paragraph. Phil is definitely pushing an agenda here: get the idea of liberal Zionists/Zionism as an accepted form of a purely racist ideology accepted.

      Phil has fully grasped the reality of Zionism, which is why is trying to present a “softer” image of it.

      • marc b.
        March 13, 2018, 11:58 am

        this is bizarre. another step down the path to chomsky-like, senile crankdom.

      • Paranam Kid
        March 14, 2018, 8:40 am

        @marc b.: it’s hard to face the truth, isn’t it? You may not hold Chomsky, who says it as it is, in high regard, but sure don’t reach the level of even his ankles.

      • marc b.
        March 14, 2018, 12:54 pm

        since you’ve chosen to use anatomy as a measure of character, i was going to make a comment about your knees, but i’ll let it go.. but which chomsky don’t i measure up to? the chomsky who comfortably coexists at MIT with all of its DOD and Department of Energy military-related research? or the chomsky who minimizes his employer’s role in the prosecution and death of aaron swartz? or the chomsky who minimizes domestic repression of free speech, referring to dissidents’ loss of employment and vilification as being consistent with his description of the US as a ‘free country’? or the bitchy, duplicitous chomsky who is more interested in sustaining his cult of personality in the field of linguistics, a la Freud, than advances in that field? or the chomsky whose prescription for progress is . . . what exactly? here is one of my favorite dip shit quotes from chomsky from a 1988 interview with Bill Moyers:

        I insist that we are a free society and that the Soviet Union’s a dungeon, and, therefore, we have completely different methods of population control- completely different methods.

        he is referring to the Soviet Union during the Perestroika years, for some context. what he could have noticed is that even a so-called totalitarian state like the SU had room for meaningful reform, a space which either doesn’t exist in the US, or is so clogged with corruption that it doesn’t practically function. and how do you simultaneously have a ‘free society’ subject to ‘population control’? he is a fraud.

      • Tuyzentfloot
        March 14, 2018, 4:54 pm

        marc b. says: he is a fraud.

        Now that is just stupid.

      • marc b.
        March 14, 2018, 5:53 pm

        stupid? oh no, not that. aside from being a celebrity of sorts, ‘the’ celebrity of the left for the last few decades you could say, making an easy target for dismissing the entirety of the left, what are his accomplishments? it doesn’t have to be anything as concrete as what someone such as ralph nader, warts and all, has done, (although that would be nice) but really, aside from grinding an analytical lens to read the newspaper, what has he done? maybe it is his age (or mine) but i lost all patience with his mumblings after his remarks on the election of obama and his truly dishonest, despicable commentary on aaron swartz. now we have graeber and the atheist, what’s his name, vying for the throne of ‘go to’ lefty.

      • Keith
        March 14, 2018, 9:55 pm

        MARC B- “…which chomsky don’t i measure up to?”

        The Chomsky who wrote “Year 501: The Conquest Continues,” “Hegemony or Survival,” “Manufacturing Consent,” and dozens more superlative analyses of contemporary society. The first three, by the way, should be required reading for high school seniors. Had I written “Year 501,” it would easily have been my greatest intellectual achievement. That you don’t like some of the things he says in interviews in his declining years is hardly an excuse to engage in unseemly and off topic Chomsky bashing.

        MARC B- “…what are his accomplishments?”

        Such arrogance doesn’t become you. Furthermore, the fact that the DoD financed research at MIT doesn’t make his linguistic work tainted. He wasn’t working on weapons of mass destruction, for God sake. He is very clear that in our militarized society the DoD pays for a lot of research to support our corporate infrastructure. What should he have done?

      • Tuyzentfloot
        March 15, 2018, 5:15 am

        This looks a bit like what I call ‘blanket distrust’ so what I’ll do is attack my straw man ‘blanket distrust’ and anyone can steal any idea from it they consider useful.

        With public discourse we have a problem that the media trust the official sources and the sources know that they can get away with anything so they become very dishonest. This means someone with a policy of blanket distrust will often be right, especially when it’s used to drive critical assessment of claims. But it will go off the rails unless at least two other skills are present

        – avoid appealing theories when it’s too hard to find out whether you’re wrong. Going on a policy of general distrust will lead to unbridled conspiracy thinking : Because all the decision making happens by powers working in the dark you can speculate and believe in plausible theories and never find out you’re wrong.

        – seeking out the positive. Because even the best things in the world are full of compromises, mistakes and judgement calls you can find negatives in everything and dismiss everything. But without any trust nothing can work. Finding the positive is a skill and it needs practice. People who never do it are not capable of it.

        I think the Intercept is a good case to practice on since it’s so obviously compromised :)

      • marc b.
        March 15, 2018, 11:03 am

        keith, this will by my last word on the subject, but feel free to respond . . . or not.

        chomsky is an excellent, engaging writer. he is not, however, an original thinker. he is not a historian, nor an original philosopher, and his critique of US imperialism would be familiar to any adolescent brought up on the speeches of fidel castro or any number of others who have been on the receiving end. that his criticism seems so ‘radical’ to US readers is a symptom of how narrow the limits of accepted argument are in the US.

        he is not just employed by an institution where DOD/DOE work is done, he has been the recipient of funding from the military/intelligence complex. his published works dating back to 1957 acknowledge such funding.

        http://www.chrisknight.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/decoding-chomsky-european-review.pdf

        he, like weiss here, delimits the discussion. he insists (“insists!”) that the US is a free society, and dismisses any argument that the US is not a ‘free society’. it is not, even relatively speaking. a free society does not have the worlds highest per capital prison population, home to surplus labor. a free society does not have a two-tiered justice system. a free society does not have a press that colludes and conspires with the government to convince the citizens to support a multi-year, trillion dollar war. it does not have collusion between the intelligence services and corporations to spy on its citizens. it does not undermine elective government by allowing the wealthy to purchase candidates.

        his ‘institutional analysis’ is stultifying and ignores individual agency and dismisses out of hand ‘conspiracy’, and frankly his analysis is not even logically consistent. talking about the election of obama, he says the election results ‘could have been worse’, but apparently can’t conceive of the fact that the assassination of kennedy did make things worse.

        and as i wrote, the last straw for me was his commentary on aaron swartz, comments that are chock full of factual inaccuracies and apologetics for his employer and ‘capitalism’.

        the only point of my off hand comment was to compare weiss to chomsky, and not in a favorable way to either of them. the only flattering thing i can say about weiss’s article is that perhaps it’s a cry for help. he realizes, consciously or not, that he can’t break free of his own history, so he’s made it clear to anyone who is conscious that it’s up to them, because the best he can come up with is feinstein or that mediocrity beinart.

      • Keith
        March 15, 2018, 12:39 pm

        MARC B- “chomsky is an excellent, engaging writer. he is not, however, an original thinker.”

        Who is? Chomsky’s value is that he presents facts in such a way that his conclusions seem obvious after the fact, but usually not before. Perhaps that is why Hugo Chavez referenced Chomsky rather than Marx at the UN. The first Chomsky book I ever read was “Turning the Tide” when I was about 40 years old. I was familiar with about 70% of the facts in the book, yet it bowled me over. There were the 30% of facts I was unaware of and , more significantly, Chomsky connected the dots in a way few can. His books are his claim to greatness, I really don’t care about his off the cuff interview comments which I consider irrelevant and more or less trivial, although some folks are addicted to his talks and interviews looking for something to criticize. There is something akin to an anti-Chomsky cottage industry out there of which Mondoweiss used to be a part of. When I first began commenting on Mondoweisss, Phil and Jeffrey Blankfort joined forces to attack Chomsky for no apparent reason. Like he was responsible for their current lack of success. Blankfort is gone and Phil has mellowed. Curious you would conflate Phil with Noam in view of this history of which you are well aware.

        As for Chomsky, MIT and the military, let us not take purism to such extremes. We live in a militarized national security state which is the center of a transnational empire. All of us, to some degree, share in the spoils of empire. It is extremely difficult to remain totally unsullied. Chomsky criticized the empire relentlessly, even as he has reached a certain accommodation with it. Furthermore, he is correct in that the US is a relatively free country, although increasingly less so. And yes, as he gets older he is increasingly coming in from the cold to embrace the warmth of group comaraderie. He is, after all, only human. So I respect his past contributions while ignoring his ongoing speeches and interviews.

        MARC B- “the only point of my off hand comment was to compare weiss to chomsky….”

        No, your rather obvious point was to accuse Chomsky of senile crankdom. Why else introduce such a non-sequitur? There had been zero discussion of Chomsky up to that point. And notice the response. How many took your comment as an insult to Phil? And how many of your rejoinders referred to Phil? Common Marc, this is Chomsky bashing, pure and simple.

    • echinococcus
      March 13, 2018, 2:53 pm

      Until you deal with Zionism as a form of Jewish elite power seeking involving an underlying hostility to non-Jews, you will never grasp the reality of Zionism. Also, Zionism has significantly merged with imperialism, neoliberal globalization its logical conclusion

      I won’t repeat what I already wrote (and, sure as god made the little green men, got censored.) At any rate, Keith, thank you for showing exactly where it hurts: most liberals are first and foremost liberals, i.e. facilitators and make-up artists for imperialism. Where this collides with their conscience-salving hobbies, we know what takes precedence.

    • Misterioso
      March 13, 2018, 4:11 pm

      New book:

      https://palestinesquare.com/2018/03/13/book-review-state-of-terror-how-terrorism-created-modern-israel-by-thomas-suarez/

      Book Review | State of Terror: How Terrorism Created Modern Israel, by Thomas Suárez,
      March 13/18

      EXCERPTS:
      “The dominant narrative of Western and Israeli media tends to portray Palestinians as the aggressors or instigators of terrorism, and not as the victims of state violence. So when Thomas Suárez titles his book State of Terror: How Terrorism Created Modern Israel (Interlink, 2017) it might come as a surprise to some that he is referring to a vast array of Zionist terrorism carried out in the years leading to the establishment of Israel in 1948. By digging deep into the National Archives of the United Kingdom, Suárez details the history of the Zionist terror that affected Palestinian civilians, British officials and anti-Zionist Jews throughout Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. These hundreds of acts of violence not only bullied the British government into complying with Zionist demands, but also built up a significant war chest of funds and arms that prepared the Yishuv to take more land by force than that stipulated in the 1947 UN partition resolution 181. Many of those responsible for the killing of thousands of civilians came to serve as prime ministers and in other high official positions in the Israeli government after 1948.”

      “Suárez’s thesis is that “It was Zionist terrorism (…) that ultimately dictated the course of events during the mandate, and it is Israeli state terrorism that continues to dictate events today.” Through a Herculean effort working with British archival material, he is able to substantiate this claim rigorously. What becomes evident from Suárez’s research is that the three major Zionist militias: Irgun, Lehi and the Hagana, utilized a vast number of different tactics to terrorize the Palestinian population, British officials and the Jewish population in the Middle East and around Europe that did not ascribe to the Zionist ideology. The number of tactics listed in Suárez’s work is substantial and includes assassinations of high ranking British officials, attacks on police and post offices, bombings of civilian targets such as markets and hotels, chemical warfare, attacks on Jewish refugees throughout Europe and indiscriminate killings of the civilian Palestinian and Jewish population in Palestine, to give a few examples. As Suárez demonstrates, these three Zionist terror organizations, the Hagana being the armed wing of the Jewish Agency, coordinated and worked together on major attacks, with the leaders of the Jewish Agency signing off on numerous bombings, like that of the King David Hotel in 1946. Just before the establishment of Israel in 1948, what had been a successful campaign of terror as part of an uneven confrontation between Arabs and Zionists, became the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.”

      • Jackdaw
        March 14, 2018, 2:32 am

        Tiberias massacre: Eleven Jewish children slaughtered by Arabs.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938_Tiberias_massacre

        1948 Palestine Post building bombed by Arab terrorists. First car bombing ever!

        1948 Ben Yehuda Street car bombing. Sixty Jews killed.

      • eljay
        March 14, 2018, 8:25 am

        || Jackdaw: … 1948 Palestine Post building bombed by Arab terrorists. First car bombing ever! … ||

        Car bomb – history:

        … The first possible suicide car bombing (and possibly the first suicide bombing) was the Bath School bombings of 1927 …

        Mass-casualty car bombing, and especially suicide car bombing, is currently a predominantly Middle Eastern phenomenon. The tactic was first introduced to the region by the Stern Gang, who used it extensively against Palestinian and British military targets …

        You continue to keep ol’ Konrad Lorenz spinning in his grave.

      • marc b.
        March 14, 2018, 9:22 am

        eljay, according to Mike Davis’s, ‘Buda’s Wagon’, the first car bomb was detonated by an Italian anarchist in 1920. As for the Middle East, there is some controversy over the provenance of the Palestine Post bombing, some historians attributing it to disgruntled Brits who had lost comrades to Zionist terrorists, but there is no question that the bombing was preceded by LEHI’s truck bomb on January 4, 1948, leaving 26 dead including children eating at a charity kitchen near the site of the bomb. And a few days later Haganah terrorists dumped two drums of explosives out the back door of a stolen armored car in a Jerusalem pedestrian zone. But the Arabs ‘started it.’

      • Jackdaw
        March 14, 2018, 11:49 am

        @marcb

        Well, the Arabs did start it with bloody pogroms in the 1920’s.
        Am I wrong, marcie?

      • eljay
        March 14, 2018, 12:26 pm

        || Jackdaw: @marcb

        Well, the Arabs did start it with bloody pogroms in the 1920’s.
        Am I wrong … ? ||

        Your claim was that Arabs “started it” with car bombings (“First car bombing ever!”). Are you wrong? Yup, you’re wrong.

      • amigo
        March 14, 2018, 12:38 pm

        “1948 Palestine Post building bombed by Arab terrorists. First car bombing ever!”jack-duh

        marc b corrected you and gave you evidence that it was Jewish Terrorists who carried out the first car bombing.

        So yes you are wrong.

        Try to keep up with the conversation and stop changing the subject.It only makes you look more dumb then you already are.

      • Mooser
        March 14, 2018, 1:41 pm

        “Try to keep up with the conversation and stop changing the subject”

        We should give “Jackdaw” (our roseh avis) a break. It must be hell to make a middle-age aliyah-oops, only to find interaction with Israelis so fraught that he prefers to spend time on Mondo. That is a hell of a spot.

      • echinococcus
        March 14, 2018, 6:50 pm

        Jackdaw,

        All these bombs, and you guys are so obtuse you still don’t get that you’re not welcome to other people’s land.

        What kind of bomb do you need to understand?

      • Jackdaw
        March 15, 2018, 6:58 am

        @ weak and suckered

        The Jewish truck bomb may have preceded the Arab truck bomb, but the Jewish truck bomb had a military target. The Arab truck bomb had a civilian target.

      • eljay
        March 15, 2018, 8:10 am

        || Jackdaw: @ weak and suckered … ||

        …says lame and pathetic. What on earth was Konrad thinking?!

        || … The Jewish truck bomb may have preceded the Arab truck bomb … ||

        Not may, did. Which destroys your claim that “Arabs” committed the “First car bombing ever!”

      • Jackdaw
        March 15, 2018, 10:11 am

        Doesn’t destroy anything.

        I remember reading that British Intelligence found an Arab car bomb in an Arab garage, which discovery preceded the Lehi truck bomb in Jaffo.

        This fun fact appears in one of these 4 volumes. I’ll ferret out the cite.
        https://www.amazon.com/History-Israels-War-Independence-Nation/dp/0761803726

      • eljay
        March 15, 2018, 10:34 am

        || Jackdaw: Doesn’t destroy anything. … ||

        Sure it does.

        || … I remember reading that British Intelligence found an Arab car bomb in an Arab garage, which discovery preceded the Lehi truck bomb in Jaffo. … ||

        Jackdaw Intelligence fails again: Your claim was about a bombing (“First car bombing ever!”). A bomb (in an “Arab garage”) is not the same as a bombing (by Jewish supremacists in Jaffa).

      • echinococcus
        March 15, 2018, 11:00 am

        Jack&&&

        Don’t want bombs? Don’t invade.
        Don’t want civilians or ‘civilians’ to be in harm’s way? Don’t invade using ununiformed goons.
        Don’t want to be called names? Don’t complain when you get hurt in response to your own crimes.

    • Tuyzentfloot
      March 14, 2018, 10:29 am

      You continue to keep ol’ Konrad Lorenz spinning in his grave.

      I see a potential source of green energy here.

      I have a book by Lorenz somewhere, something about animals. I forgot the title but I recall I liked it. About how smart his dog was , and his raven.

  6. JWalters
    March 12, 2018, 9:47 pm

    One of Phil’s all-time great articles. He zeros in on the core feature of the dispute, universal versus parochial justice. And he puts a pair of key faces on these two views, a great meme. Both are powerful senators. Both are from big states and central cities. Both are in the Democratic party. Both are Jewish. But their many similarities highlights their definitive difference in a very central matter. Will the Torah overrule the Constitution in the USA? Chuck Schumer says “yes!”, Dianne Feinstein says “no”.

    And Chuck Schumer cannot possibly trash Dianne Feinstein for being anti-Semetic or self-hating. They’re perfectly balanced. That invites a discussion on the merits of each side’s case.

    It’s true that Feinstein has been a long-time insider. But I think she got riled when the CIA hacked her Senate Intelligence Committee computers, trying to delete evidence about torture in Iraq. And she recently signed a letter urging more efforts on peaceful relations with Russia, thus countering the current hysterical media drive toward conflict with Russia.
    “Gang of Four: Senators Call for Tillerson to Enter into Arms Control Talks with the Kremlin”
    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/03/10/gang-of-four-senators-call-for-tillerson-to-enter-into-arms-control-talks-with-the-kremlin/

    Feinstein’s wording on a two-state solution HIGHLIGHTS the possibility that Israel’s leaders could themselves bring about a single state. This sounds like a warning from someone who would be willing to accept that outcome.

  7. Sibiriak
    March 13, 2018, 2:00 am

    Apart from being a corrupt, murderous warmonger, Feinstein is a good Jew.

    • broadside
      March 13, 2018, 9:19 am

      Exactly. And she — and Schumer — voted yes for nightmare Pompeo (think Jeff Sessions, internationally) for CIA head, now sec of state. From Haaretz:

      ‘In November 2015, Pompeo visited Israel and met with Netanyahu, a meeting which he said left a strong impression on him. “Prime Minister Netanyahu is a true partner of the American people,” Pompeo said after their discussion at the Prime Minister’s Office in Jerusalem. “Our conversation was incredibly enlightening as to the true threats facing both Israel and the United States. Netanyahu’s efforts to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons are incredibly admirable and deeply appreciated.”

      Bet that didn’t have anything to do w Feinstein’s vote!

      So what of course would be story #1 on the homepage of NYT? More Jewish victimhood, natch: “A German legislator’s proposal to make visits to concentration camps mandatory comes as the country grapples with a rise in anti-Semitism.” (Haven’t we read that story — many many times?” Is there an antisemitism app?))

    • Paranam Kid
      March 13, 2018, 10:03 am

      You couldn’t have put it more succinctly.

  8. Annie Robbins
    March 13, 2018, 1:34 pm

    maybe in the context of “Jews [in the senate] who care about the opinions of all people and those [in the senate] who care only about the opinions of Jews” one could claim There are only two kinds of Jews. You are either a Chuck Schumer or a Dianne Feinstein.

    but outside of that, i find it sort of repulsive to imagine every jew being either a Chuck Schumer or a Dianne Feinstein. or the idea of Feinstein as ‘caring about the opinions of all people’. and there are way too many instances of feinstein not ‘caring about all people’ to list.

    that said, as a constituent of hers, i can’t even recall a time i thought of her as particularly jewish. it’s not something she puts out front or is overt about, at all that i know of (disclosure, i am not a close feinstein watcher). in fact, i think she was in office quite a few years before i even connected, ‘oh feinstein is a jewish name’. i swear it didn’t really cross my mind. i read about her mom being sort of a b*tch and feinstein being unruly as a child and how they put her in a catholic school so the nuns could squash that, which apparently worked, for whatever that is worth.

    feinstein is a highly polished politician but frankly, i don’t think of her as particularly attached to israel. whereas w/schumer i can’t think of anything he’s more associated with than his jewishness and his protection of israel. so yes, they are radically different.

    i’d have to say tho phil, this premise? this “only two kinds of Jews…. Schumer or a… Feinstein. ” what were you thinking? and you know i am a big fan of yours.

    You can make any other distinction you please. Religious observance, intermarriage, Hebrew-literacy, Christmas trees, but this is the most meaningful one because it defines our time.

    imho, the most meaningful distinction (re jewish people) that defines our time is between zionist vs non or anti zionist. and the kind of jew “who care only about the opinions of Jews”, one akin to what yakov hirsch might describe as a “Hasbara culturist”, would be one end of the spectrum and could be represented by a schumer or a goldberg or netanyahu. but look at the wealth of beauty on the other end of the spectrum and tell me you’ve chose feinstein? why not amira hass? or jackie walker, or adam? or one of many many others?

    i have to give this article a thumbs down!

    • LHunter
      March 13, 2018, 2:32 pm

      did you see our friend Bari Weiss on Real Time with Bill Maher yet again? she was advocating for more free speech and less vilifying of those you disagree with. Either she has recently seen the light or she is a bold (or bald if you so chose) face liar (betting on the latter).

      Not sure she is a Schumer or Feinstein kind of Jew – not sure it matters particularly to the Palestinians. Watch the vid if you get a chance – at the 1:20 minute mark Bill leads in with a false assertion which paints Bari and himself as non-racists despite their very real racism against the Palestinians.

      • RoHa
        March 13, 2018, 7:16 pm

        My guess is that she is a bold and bald and bare faced liar.

        And still no relation to Barry White.

    • Mooser
      March 13, 2018, 3:34 pm

      Many, many years ago, during her Mayoral bid (election after the 1978 appointment) there were “Dianne Feinstein for Dominant Mistress of San Francisco” signs, with Ms. Feinstein’s head on the usual leather-clad, spiked-heeled body flourishing a whip at a prone, compliant and trembling Coit Tower, posted in the Castro Street area.

    • rhkroell
      March 13, 2018, 7:22 pm

      “Maybe in the context of “Jews [in the senate] who care about the opinions of all people and those [in the senate] who care only about the opinions of Jews” one could claim There are only two kinds of Jews. You are either a Chuck Schumer or a Dianne Feinstein.” — Annie

      The British historian Eric Hobsbawm makes the same point, I’d like to think, that both Phil and Annie write about (in an entirely different context with contrasting symbolic figures):

      Hobsbawm contrasts what he terms a cosmopolitan, universalist [mostly white male to be sure] “world culture” (of pre-WWII Austria-Hungary/Germany/Switzerland) — the more inclusive “world culture” of European “modernity” — the Mitteleuropa of Vienna/Prague/Budapest/Berlin/Munich/Zurich, the “world culture” of Beethoven, Mozart, Schiller, Heine, Marx, Schnitzler, Else Lasker-Schüler, Kafka, Käthe Kollwitz, Klimt, Kandinsky, Klee, Sophie Lissitzky-Küppers — with the regional/nationalist cultures of Dublin, Edinburgh, Liverpool, Oxford, Cambridge, Nashville, Little Rock, Santa Fe, Huntington Beach, Taos, Boston, Concord, Newark, Damascus, Beirut, Tel Aviv, Cairo, Algiers, Casablanca, Poitiers, Bordeaux, Marseilles, Côte d’Azur, Nice, Florence, Venice, Naples, etc.

      For Hobsbawm, the Nazi holocaust was a tragedy not only for European Jews — devastating and irreparable — but for German culture because it is no longer a “world culture.” German culture, for him, has been reduced to a regional — almost provincial — culture. It is no longer the language/culture “for aspiring Europeans from the backwoods,” the language/culture of “scholarly publications that every academic from Tokyo to Cambridge must be able to read” (FRACTURED TIMES, p. 83).

      “From 1900 to 1933 almost 40% of all Nobel prizes in physics and chemistry went to Germany; since 1933 this has become only about one in ten” (p. 83).

      • rhkroell
        March 16, 2018, 6:56 pm

        I have to qualify my original comment by adding that I agree with Lillian and Annie in suggesting that Phil may have miscalculated by using Diane Feinstein as his “symbolic figure,” representing the “liberal,” “modern,” cosmopolitan, universalist, Jewish [wo]man. Feinstein clearly does not represent those ideas/beliefs in my view. The Problem: How far must one travel before finding a prominent Jewish person who — despite being apparently “liberal,” leftist, politically progressive on (seemingly) every issue — does not support Israel right or wrong?

    • JWalters
      March 13, 2018, 9:09 pm

      Annie,

      “why not amira hass?”

      Because that would meme would not travel well; not enough people know who Amira Hass is. Phil’s meme is potentially very useful because the people are so well-known.

      I agree that an anti-Zionist is a bigger contrast to a Zionist. But on the core clash between universal justice vs ethnic bias, Dianne does the job. (And a lot of people keep their true opinions to themselves in this environment.)

      That is the rock in the US Constitution on which Zionism will ultimately run aground, it seems to me. It’s easy to understand and it’s bedrock. Trying to gut the 1st Amendment over BDS will set this up, battering Zionism badly. An estimate

      • rhkroell
        March 17, 2018, 12:09 pm

        Judith Butler and/or Medea Benjamin could have been positioned as a “symbolic figure” — representing universal rights, modernity, the new cosmopolitanism — against William Kristol (son of neocon celebrities Irving Kristol and Gertrude Himmelfarb) and/or Robert Kagan (a co-founder of the neoconservative PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY, the son of the Yale ancient history professor Donald Kagan, also a prominent neoconservative scholar) — representing Zionism, Realpolitik, Machtpolitik, “Realism,” “neorealism,” ethnonationalism, colonialism, neocolonialism, imperialism, “preemptive war,” torture and the militarized police state.

    • Lillian Rosengarten
      March 14, 2018, 12:57 pm

      Two kinds of Jew? What about me, Jewish, refugee, NOT and never a Zionist. Believe in a bi -National state and 2 embassies in Jerusalem, one Israel the other Palestinian. Liberal Zionist? No such thing, an oxymoron. Not after the brutal atrocities of Zionism. I also want to add that I do not believe Phil is defending liberal Zionism. However, the article is problematic for me. I would not compare Feinstein and Schumer as opposites. It is not accurate. It is merely a different degree of Zionism.

  9. LHunter
    March 13, 2018, 2:09 pm

    “There are only two kinds of Jews. You are either a Chuck Schumer or a Dianne Feinstein. All the other distinctions are meaningless– religious, cultural, political. The only one that counts is between Jews who care about the opinions of all people [except Palestinians] and those who care only about the opinions of Jews.”

    Perhaps that is a more accurate statement when one thinks of the differences between the Schumer’s and Feinstein’s of the Zionist camp. Of course there is the third “kind” of Jew – the non-Zionist variety like Phil Weiss or Mooser or Eljay.

    • eljay
      March 13, 2018, 2:57 pm

      || LHunter: … Of course there is the third “kind” of Jew – the non-Zionist variety like Phil Weiss or Mooser or Eljay. ||

      I’m honoured to be mentioned alongside Phil and Mooser, but I’m not Jewish (or, as Nathan would have me say, I am not of the Jews).

      • LHunter
        March 13, 2018, 8:38 pm

        Eljay – oops – could of swore I read a comment way back that suggested you were “of the Jews.” Perhaps it was jon66 or any one of the Zionists that frequent the site – I’ve heard they’re prone to distortions.

      • eljay
        March 13, 2018, 9:15 pm

        || LHunter: Eljay – oops … ||

        No worries – it’s not as though you mistook me for a Zionist! ;-)

      • RoHa
        March 13, 2018, 10:47 pm

        Ahem! “Could have sworn…”

      • Mooser
        March 14, 2018, 12:59 pm

        “Ahem! “Could have sworn…”

        Hey, give a guy a little prosetic license, will ya’?

      • RoHa
        March 15, 2018, 1:20 am

        After he has passed both the theory and practical tests, shown two forms of ID, supplied three passport-size photographs, and paid the application fee, then a licence can be issued.

    • RoHa
      March 13, 2018, 8:27 pm

      There might even be four kinds, to fit Eric Weinstein’s model.

      https://tipolitics.com/eric-weinsteins-four-quadrant-model-55852b1f791b

  10. Rob Roy
    March 13, 2018, 2:45 pm

    There are no Senators in the US Congress (since Dennis Kucinich left) who are against apartheid or who are pro-Palestinians. How do I know? All 100 signed the letter stating that they wouldn’t criticize Israel. Not one dissented. Not one.
    The ONLY solution to the conflict is equality for all, one state, one person-one vote. The Israelis are so afraid of this they can’t even consider equality. They say that they would be out-voted and destroyed by the Palestinians when in fact they would not. When I’m in Palestine, most people tell me they just want to live in peace, without fear…and the Jews can do the same. When I’m in Israel, I’m told they would never go to the West Bank because “I would be killed.”
    Gideon Levy says there are three driving forces of Israelis’ beliefs: 1) they are the “chosen” and therefore superior to all others; 2) the Jews are the victims, the only victims; 3) Palestinians /Arabs are less than human and therefore not worthy of the same considerations as Jews.
    That sums it up.

  11. Tuyzentfloot
    March 13, 2018, 3:29 pm

    This remind me about the two lessons that were learned from the Holocaust: ‘never again to Jews’ vs ‘never again to anyone’.
    An advantage of these categories is that even when loyalty is an issue there is this possibility to drift to the nicer group. Since you’re still very Jewish you have a defense against the accusation of disloyalty. With the more general humanist position that is much harder.
    So you can still put your own tribe first but there is room for others.

    It also helps a lot if one can relax the antisemitism obsession.

  12. [email protected]
    March 13, 2018, 3:47 pm

    Difficult thing to say here as I like this blog, but saying there are only two types of “Jews” sort of puts the author in the Schumer camp. That every religion, creed, nationality, gender, or anything else one can think of, is dealing exactly with this issue is the truth. Humanity these days, is confronted by those who prefer their tribe, or those who are universalist. There are not two types of Jews as contrasted with two types of Christians or Muslims etc. It’s a simple way you look at a person who is not in your tribe. Do you see the divine in them or is that only possible for someone in your own tribe. And if this is happening in whatever tribe you happen to belong to, it should be rather obvious that most other people these days are dealing with the same existential issue.

  13. biggerjake
    March 13, 2018, 6:41 pm

    Come on Phil… you know there are more than two types of Jews:

    https://www.thejc.com/lifestyle/features/what-kind-of-a-jew-are-you-1.433347

    “It occurred to me that some sort of a list would be helpful. A Jew Type List. Something to help both Nazis and Jews hone their accusations a bit more pointedly. Specificity is so important in these matters, or we’ll never know who exactly we’re feeling superior to. And so I turned, as I often do, to books. Literature provided me with some Jew types, but not all. Film provided a few more, and TV filled in the blanks.”

  14. Yonah Fredman
    March 13, 2018, 10:45 pm

    Politics is a strange game: sometimes it calls for purity, other times for compromise. Sometimes the wheels of history move slowly, other times with awesome and terrifying speed.

    Whose side are you on? A familiar phrase, sometimes useful, sometimes not.

    By including beinart and Roger Cohen on the right side of history Phil Weiss has earned a thumbs down from the choir here, which demands purity. How history will play out, is unclear. Will this liberal demarcation of the border between good and evil drawn in this way help? Unclear.

    • Tuyzentfloot
      March 14, 2018, 6:03 am

      Fairly valid arguments. The right side of history, that may be an overstatement.
      I often take a position of accepting mediocrity. Don’t blame people for only being average. Then I think liberal zionists generally are decent enough people. The question of what people contribute to a situation is different. Decent people can have all the wrong ideas, they can make an existing situation worse and they can be useless for improving the situation.
      So as far as I’m concerned I would rather say a lot of decent people often are on the wrong side of history.

      • LHunter
        March 14, 2018, 11:37 pm

        Iberal Zionists are not seen as decent by the many palestinians i know – we see them as frauds and bigots. And we despise the term liberal zionist like i would imagine most jews and palestinians would despise the term liberal nazi. Jews continue to use the term in their effort to provide a gentler kinder face to the very real and violent racism directed toward palestinians. But once again, who gives a fuck about what the palestinians think.

        Will you allow this comment through – or is making any connection between liberal Zionists and liberal nazis off limits.

    • eljay
      March 14, 2018, 7:34 am

      || Yonah Fredman: … By including beinart and Roger Cohen on the right side of history Phil Weiss has earned a thumbs down from the choir here, which demands purity. … ||

      IMO moderate Jewish supremacists (Zionists) don’t belong on the “right side of history” any more than do moderate anti-Semites. But since you and your choir don’t believe in “demanding purity” you go right ahead and embrace moderate anti-Semitism.

  15. Tuyzentfloot
    March 14, 2018, 5:46 am

    I don’t know much about Feinstein but I recommend this article about the initiative Feinstein,Sanders, Merkley and Markey took(I don’t even know the last two) calling for new arms control talks https://consortiumnews.com/2018/03/10/gang-of-four-senators-call-for-tillerson-to-enter-into-arms-control-talks-with-the-kremlin/ . It explains why Sanders joined the Russiagate believers lately.

  16. pabelmont
    March 14, 2018, 1:30 pm

    Or is it good for the Jews?

    This question has two formulations and thus two meanings. “Or is it good for the Jews?” is one, “Or is it good for the Zionist-Jews (or Israeli-Jews)?” is the other.

    And with Zionist-Jews loving Trump and his followers, many of them outspoken anti-semites, it is clear that the meanings of these two questions are almost opposites. And since there are probaly as many (if not mroe) Jews living outside israel, which, after all, is the more important question (from a numerical or “democratic” viewpoint?

    And should PLO/PA/Abbas do “what’s good for the Palestinians living under the Israeli boot?”
    or do “”what’s good for the Palestinians?”

    Both groups have their diaspora. Neither diaspora should be disregarded.

  17. Mooser
    March 14, 2018, 2:05 pm

    Schumer is out there supporting the school gun-violence walk-out today, and his site is emblazoned with DREAM support.

  18. MHughes976
    March 15, 2018, 3:20 am

    There have been some reports about Feinstein and Gina Haspel of the CIA. I understand that F once blocked promotion for H because of her association with torture, presumably including Muslim victims of rendition.. But she seems to be much less opposed to H now, which seems worrying.

  19. Mayhem
    March 15, 2018, 8:34 am

    “Feinsteins believe that all people are equal.”
    What a load of codswallop.
    This kind of rank moral equivalence is what has shaped the widespread disease of political correctness.

    • eljay
      March 15, 2018, 9:57 am

      || Mayhem: “Feinsteins believe that all people are equal.”
      What a load of codswallop. … ||

      I agree. Zionists have made it abundantly clear that Jews are “more equal” than non-Jews.

      • Mayhem
        March 15, 2018, 11:36 pm

        @eljay, Jews have achieved disproportionately in their contribution to humanity compared to non-Jews.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 16, 2018, 4:10 am

        lalalalala i can’t hear you.

      • MHughes976
        March 16, 2018, 6:45 am

        ‘What advantage then hath the Jew or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way, chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God.’ Even if this is true we all start in life with much the same chance of doing good or evil and enough ability to think about right and wrong for our opinions to deserve some hearing. If Feinsteins think that they are right.

      • eljay
        March 16, 2018, 7:29 am

        || Mayhem: @eljay, Jews have achieved disproportionately in their contribution to humanity compared to non-Jews. ||

        Stephen Hawking achieved disproportionately in his contribution to humanity compared to Jews. That doesn’t make him “more equal” than either Jews or non-Jews.

        Anyway, thanks for proving my point.

      • eljay
        March 16, 2018, 8:59 am

        || eljay: … That doesn’t make him …

        Correction: … That didn’t make him …

      • Mooser
        March 16, 2018, 2:52 pm

        ” Jews have achieved disproportionately in their contribution to humanity compared to non-Jews.”

        “Jackdaw”, I would think you could find lots of people, right near you, who agree with that statement.
        Go argue with them about it.

      • Maghlawatan
        March 16, 2018, 4:37 pm

        Arseholes like the Kochs, Singer, Adelson and Saban represent the flip side of the community. Debt bubbles have always attracted moths who will destroy everything in the pursuit of more wealth.

      • gamal
        March 16, 2018, 6:08 pm

        “Go argue with them about it”

        i mean myself i was not planning to contribute anything, this ain’t no star ship enterprise world and you do not have the con, no one breed me for anything, i like wallowing in my filth and until the airstrike rectifies me i will continue dectracting and sowing chaos and fucking up this, your perfect world, this

        universal safe space where we can all achieve full self acquilization with each others loving support, I ain’t sure, truth is i am having it without any support, so bill me.

        when i was instructed about the right things by a little fat gulfie wahhabi, in my mosque, i thought he was rude, what i do with my hands in prayer is my business i knocked him on his arse near baker street where my father led the juma and gave the khuttbah in the central mosque there,

        god blessed me so that i am comfortable with anathematization whatever its origin, both my white and muslim commissars can kiss my scared arse, man belongs to and has a right to whatever he is doing and anyway is ready to go down asserting, typical idiot man, as has been ordained.

      • RoHa
        March 16, 2018, 9:54 pm

        “Jews have achieved disproportionately in their contribution to humanity compared to non-Jews.”

        If you mean contributions to arts, sciences, and technology, in the last couple of centuries North-West and Central Europeans (including, against their wishes, the British) have achieved disproportionately in their contribution to humanity compared to non-North-West and Central Europeans.

        Those North-West and Central Europeans who were Jews and who made contributions to arts, sciences, and technology were usually the least religious and least “traditionally Jewish” Jews. They were more German, or Austro-Hungarian, or British or French in their attitudes and education than they were Jewish.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 16, 2018, 10:33 pm

        achievement is often related to how much one receives, opportunities. for example if you have 2 schools and one of them gets extraordinary outside funding and all the kids get free lunches and healthcare it stands to reason the students will achieve more than a school where the kids are dragged out of bed and night and shot in the streets and they have a limited budget of books etc.

        if you live in a community where there are an abundance of grants and scholarships and alumni admissions programs that practically guarantee your siblings and heirs go to the best schools then it stands to reason your community will achieve more than in oppressed communities. so yeah, it wouldn’t surprise me if Jews have achieved disproportionately in their contribution to humanity. but that doesn’t mean all those contributions are in the best interest of humans collectively. for example, the occupation contributes much human suffering.

        the white race has achieved a lot, often at the expense of others. but collectively, if you test drugs on humans from one side of the world, or bomb them to smitheriens — ask those people how much it matters whether their suffering or death is worth it for the benefit of mankind. everything is relative.

        i don’t necessarily think it’s measurable. because you could take the achievements of one man, like bill gates, and look at how much his influence or achievements could benefit mankind after his death. or alexander fleming, whose discovery changed the world of modern medicine. i mean, how do you measure all of mankind’s achievements and determine who’s contributed more collectively once you balance that with the contributions that have had a negative impact?

        how? one scenario. one man owns a diamond mine. he takes all his riches (all of them, not 50%, which are huge in the billions) and spends it on the arts and opera and medicine and everything good. when you measure his achievements how much credit do you give to the children who slaved and died for that persons wealth? all the unspeakable wars and murder that happened across the globe, do the victims get any credit for that one man’s achievements, or all the achievement of those he funded? because he got rich of the backs of others — many who paid with their lives. so isn’t it those people who should get some credit for making those achievements possible? the backs other walked on to get to the top. each one of those backs belongs to a person.

      • RoHa
        March 16, 2018, 9:57 pm

        Maghlawatan, Americans should not forget the contributions of Madoff. And, of course, Bugsy Siegel, Meyer Lansky, and their many predecessors and successors.

      • Keith
        March 17, 2018, 12:22 am

        ROHA- “Those North-West and Central Europeans who were Jews and who made contributions to arts, sciences, and technology were usually the least religious and least “traditionally Jewish” Jews. They were more German, or Austro-Hungarian, or British or French in their attitudes and education than they were Jewish.”

        Excellent point! And the rejection of the enlightenment which Zionism represents means that enlightened Jewish thinking will atrophy as time goes by.

    • MHughes976
      March 15, 2018, 1:31 pm

      Is this a question of equivalence at the moral level? I doubt if Feinsteins, as defined, think that all people are equally virtuous and live equally good lives. They may think that everyone begins with a spark of goodness, which one hopes is true or at least not codswallop.

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