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Israeli leaders have been making downright genocidal claims against Palestinians, and the rhetoric finally seems to be backfiring. The government’s line on “defending itself from terrorists” is not being swallowed by the world as easily as it used to be. Especially because those genocidal statements betray other than “defensive” intentions to the actions in Gaza. And the process is accelerating Israel’s delegitimization as a supposed liberal democracy.

Take for example Likud spokesman Eli Hazan’s claim that “all 30,000 [Gazan protesters] are legitimate targets.”

Or Defense Minister Lieberman’s claim that “there are no innocent people in Gaza”.

How is this different from the genocidal claim of Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked who posted a genocidal commentary by another writer in 2014:

“Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started” [….] Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. Actors in the war are those who incite in mosques, who write the murderous curricula for schools, who give shelter, who provide vehicles, and all those who honor and give them their moral support. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”

It doesn’t help that Israeli leaders are now speaking with two tongues. Asked about the IDF killing of journalist Yasser Murtaja in Gaza, Israeli Communications Minister Ayoub Kara responded:

“innocent people die in war”.

But the former leaders just said that none of them are “innocent”.

So are they really just ‘collateral’, or are they really targeted because they are considered ‘terrorists’?

Israel can’t continue forever with these games. It has to have a backlash.

Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist Glenn Greenwald on Democracy Now calls Israel an “apartheid, rogue, terrorist state”:

“Whatever you thought of Israel in the past, believing that it was some kind of bastion of liberal democracy in the Middle East, that it was surrounded by primitive brutal enemies, all the propaganda, what’s clear now is that Israel is something quite different than all of that. And even people who once believed that are now starting to come and see that Israel is an apartheid, rogue, terrorist state. The conduct that it engages in, continually and without apology, proudly, and the comments that it makes, including the one you just referenced from the defense minister, Avigdor Lieberman, who said there are no innocent people in Gaza, which is basically the mentality of a genocidal maniac, is reflective of what Israel is.”

Recently, Defense Minister Lieberman sought to paint the murdered journalist Yaser Murtaja as a “Hamas terrorist”, without evidence. But mainstream media is not buying it. The Washington Post for example:

“Israeli defense minister claims journalist shot in Gaza had been on the payroll for Hamas military wing since 2011. If so, seems odd his production company wasn’t flagged when US approved it for funding last month, following a vetting process.”

British Daily Mail cites International Federation of Journalists who have documented that Murtaja was even detained and beaten by Hamas in 2015. IFJ general secretary Anthony Bellanger is quoted:

“It is clear that having murdered a journalist the Israeli defence minister is more interested in spouting propaganda and engaging in a cover-up than in carrying out a thorough and transparent investigation and bringing Yasser´s killers to justice”.

 Israeli reflexive accusations of Palestinian “terrorism” are thus ricocheting back at it, from within and without. 

Recently, Israeli leftist activists filmed a clip near Gaza, in what the army deemed a closed military zone. The activists called the soldiers “terrorists”. The video went viral in Israel on Monday, per the Times of Israel. Prime Minister Netanyahu also noticed the video and mentioned it in the Wednesday cabinet meeting. He opined that those words were an “outrageous absurdity” and that the soldiers have the full backing of all cabinet ministers, in order to continue “to do their holy work.”

Defense Minister Lieberman is now reported to be taking this further: He is promoting new legislation, making it a crime punishable by 5 years prison to film soldiers with the purpose of “destabilizing IDF morale and the morale of Israeli citizens”. The penalty becomes 10 years if the intent is to “harm the security of the state”.

Here is the reportage on Israeli television with subtitles, shared by BDS From Within activist Ronnie Barkan. 

Israel seems unable to rescue itself from this spiral. Every step it takes to suppress protest against its policies becomes yet another proof of its own terrorist, fascist and genocidal impulses.

 

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  1. John O
    April 13, 2018, 1:18 pm

    When you wear a flak-jacket, bullets bounce off it, as intended. But there are entry points, such as armpits and the neck. What happens then is the bullet ricochets inside the jacket, and inside you, doing more damage than it would have done if you’d not been wearing one in the first place. That’s what is happening to Israel now.

    • DaBakr
      April 14, 2018, 12:36 am

      @j

      we’re sure you stay up nights fretting about what’s happening to us. Snake.

      • Misterioso
        April 14, 2018, 10:42 am

        @DaBakr

        I don’t know whether or not John O is “…stay[ing] up nights fretting about what’s happening to” you, but you certainly should. The writing is on the wall. READ IT.

      • pjdude
        April 15, 2018, 12:44 am

        some of us care for all life not just parts of it, like you

      • LHunter
        April 15, 2018, 12:53 pm

        DaBakr – fretting over the safety and well being of murderous zionist racists doesn’t keep me up at night. But I do wonder whether Nazis and other fascists like the Zionists sleep well or do their crimes against humanity or fear of prosecution keep them up at night.

        The day will come DaBakr when you and your racist kind will have to answer for the crimes against humanity committed by apartheid Israel and its agents. Racist dimwit.

  2. Maghlawatan
    April 13, 2018, 3:06 pm

    Shaked, Hazan and Lieberman have all been indoctrinated via Hebrew with the religious Zionist worldview which says that Palestinians have no rights.
    It sounds logical in Hebrew but it is bullshit in English.

    Israel cannot sell the Gaza story to the goys any more than Confederates could sell slavery in France.
    The Israeli left has been eviscerated so the right wing wingnuts are on their own.

    Alice Walker
    “You can spend months, and years, as I have, pondering this situation. Layer upon layer of lies, misinformation, fear, cowardice and complicity.”

    • guyn
      April 13, 2018, 4:49 pm

      I have never seen such liars, hypocrites, delusionals like the israelis. Danon, among others, disgusts me. Five minutes of the video and I was sick of it.

      • Maghlawatan
        April 13, 2018, 5:03 pm

        Hebrew is a HUGE problem. It is the key vector of the madness. Because of Hebrew ordinary Israelis are cut off psychologically from the rest of humanity.

      • guyn
        April 13, 2018, 5:56 pm

        I agree. There is something totally insane in the situation, especially after WWII and the Holocauste.

        “Never again”, what an hollow motto if applied as the zionists understand it.

      • Maghlawatan
        April 13, 2018, 9:33 pm

        Israel sold weapons to the Argentine junta that murdered 7000 local leftist Jews. Zionists like Kastner put the ideology before the interest and lives of people who were sent to the concentration camps. After the war it was all justified by Messianism. God miraculously gave Israel to his people following the sacrifice of WW2.
        Zionism is insane. And the NYT continues to call Israel the Jewish State. Zionism is some kind of psychiatric state.

      • oldgeezer
        April 13, 2018, 10:32 pm

        @Maghlawatan

        Whether during world war II or now. And throughout the years. zionists do tend to align themselves with the most vile of racists and despots. One can only wonder why that is. Sarcasm aside, it’s obvious why that is. Birds of a feather.

      • DaBakr
        April 14, 2018, 12:42 am

        @mgw

        What an asinine assumption. Beyond racist, bigoted and ignorant. Pretty much nothing short of unhinged. 80% or more Israelis can read the garbage so-called progressive, certainly not liberal except in the most perverted sense of the word, but progressive outlets like MW and EI. Why it wouldn’t occur to you they assume like most sane humans that’s is absolute pigslop?

  3. Maghlawatan
    April 13, 2018, 3:57 pm

    The Greenwald quote is excellent. If you strip it back to its essence Israel is only defensible on the assumption of Phil’s Mom . Jews wouldn’t do that.
    But Lieberman would. Israel is basically Jews who do not give a f***

    • guyn
      April 13, 2018, 5:00 pm

      It is the Mom of Phil or the aunt Golda? I don’t remember.

      “But Lieberman would. Israel is basically Jews who do not give a f***”

      And don’t record it, otherwise you will spend 5 or 10 years in prison. What a sick society.

  4. Ossinev
    April 13, 2018, 4:43 pm

    @Maghlawatan
    Great observation by one of the commentators on your ElecIntifada link:
    “Sick people, Gaza is an open air prison but Israel is becoming an open air psychiatric clinic”

    • Kratoklastes
      April 28, 2018, 10:36 pm

      An ‘open air prison’ – I don’t like that characterisation, because for the most part people who are in prisons (open air or otherwise) are there after their guilt has been proved. So in terms of ‘framing’, it ‘frames’ the residents of Gaza as convicted criminals.

      I refer to Gaza as in a way that is more historically resonant: Gaza is a concentration camp.

      The number of calories per day is determined by the occupying power; there are periodic wilful killings of the inhabitants (with little or no reference to whether the dead were behaving themselves or not). Nobody wears striped pyjamas, but they didn’t in the British camps in South Africa (the original source of the term ‘concentration camp’).

      I would not go so far as to say that Gaza is a Vernichtungslager, although the aim of the occupiers is not ‘not genocide’. It would not take much for conditions in Gaza to devolve towards those in ‘the camps’ in the latter stages of WWII – particularly given the mindset of braind-dead scum like the Moldovan Bouncer (Avgidor Lieberman) and the rest of the Eastern European rabbit-eaters who dominate the upper echelons of politics among the occupiers.

      Say after me: Gaza is a gigantic concentration camp.

      • RoHa
        April 29, 2018, 12:43 am

        Gaza is a gigantic concentration camp.

  5. gamal
    April 13, 2018, 8:11 pm

    “innocent people die in war”

    only the ones who deserve to

  6. eljay
    April 13, 2018, 8:23 pm

    … Defense Minister Lieberman’s claim that “there are no innocent people in Gaza”. …

    In which case – according to jon s – Israel is right to massacre every single one of them. And maybe throw a “happy, kid-friendly, carnival-style holiday” afterwards.

    • Sibiriak
      April 13, 2018, 11:23 pm

      eljay: In which case – according to jon s – Israel is right to massacre every single one of them.
      ——————————-

      Not if jon s rejects Lieberman’s claim.

      • eljay
        April 14, 2018, 9:03 am

        || Sibiriak April 13, 2018, 11:23 pm
        eljay: In which case – according to jon s – Israel is right to massacre every single one of them.
        ——————————-

        Not if jon s rejects Lieberman’s claim. ||

        Rejecting Lieberman’s claim would only mean that jon s wouldn’t support the massacre of every single person in Gaza. (He would, however, continue to support the massacre of those Gazans he felt were not-innocent.)

        It wouldn’t alter either Lieberman’s conclusion that all Gazans are not-innocent or his right (per jon s’ “logic”) to massacre them.

      • Sibiriak
        April 14, 2018, 9:38 am

        eljay: He would, however, continue to support the massacre of those Gazans he felt were not-innocent.)
        ———————————

        Not innocent of what?? There are obviously many crimes one can be guilty of. Has jon s claimed that every “non-innocent” person of any type can be legitimately killed? Has he stated that “non-innocence” can be determined by his own feelings alone? Has he claimed that all the Gazan protesters that have been killed are terrorists? (If he is saying that terrorists, objectively defined , can be killed, is he saying anything different than what every single Western liberal democratic government says?)

        It get the distinct impression that you are putting words in his mouth.

      • eljay
        April 14, 2018, 11:23 am

        || Sibiriak: Not innocent of what?? … ||

        I don’t know – jon s left it dangerously open to interpretation (“armed terrorists and criminals”).

        || … There are obviously many crimes one can be guilty of. … ||

        I agree. And IMO none of them justifies massacring the guilty. Do you agree, or do you – like jon s – favour selective massacres?

        || … Has jon s claimed that every “non-innocent” person of any type can be legitimately killed?

        He has stated that he makes “a distinction between innocent civilians and armed terrorists and criminals”. “Innocent civilians” must not be massacred; “armed terrorists and criminals” can be massacred.

        So either every person who is not an “innocent civilian” is not-innocent and can be massacred or there’s a HUGE “gray area” of people between “innocent civilians” and “armed terrorists and criminals” who can arbitrarily be either massacred or spared.

        I have interpreted his comment to mean the former. If I’m mistaken, he’s free to clarify.

        || … Has he stated that “non-innocence” can be determined by his own feelings alone? … ||

        Nope, which is why Lieberman’s determination of the non-innocence of Gazans is a valid basis for massacre according to jon s’ “logic”.

        || … Has he claimed that all the Gazan protesters that have been killed are terrorists? … ||

        No, but that’s entirely irrelevant.

        || … It get the distinct impression that you are putting words in his mouth. ||

        I get the distinct impression that you enjoy defending jon s’ assertion that selective massacres are acceptable.

      • Sibiriak
        April 14, 2018, 12:08 pm

        eljay: do you […] favour selective massacres?
        ————————-

        I don’t favor massacres , period.

        eljay: || … Has he stated that “non-innocence” can be determined by his own feelings alone? … ||

        Nope, which is why Lieberman’s determination of the non-innocence of Gazans is a valid basis for massacre according to jon s’ “logic”.

        Sorry, I can’t follow your logic . Can you quote jon s directly and show how his statements lead logically to the conclusion that “Lieberman’s determination of the non-innocence of Gazans is a valid basis for massacre .

        Unless jon s has stated that 1) he thinks subjective opinions about non-innocence in general, or Lieberman’s opinions in particular, can alone serve as a valid basis for determining “non-innocence” and 2) that “non-innocence” per se is a valid basis for “massacre”, then your argument has no logical basis.

        eljay: He has stated that … “armed terrorists and criminals” can be massacred.

        I confess I have not kept track of all jon’s and your statements–could you please remind me where jon explicitly stated that “armed terrorists and criminals” can in any circumstances legitimately be massacred . I’d just like to review it. Thanks in advance.

        I have interpreted his comment to mean the former. [i.e,, every person who is not an “innocent civilian” is not-innocent and can be massacred ]

        That’s your interpretation , fine, but it seems he never actually stated that. That was my basic point.

      • Sibiriak
        April 14, 2018, 12:59 pm

        @eljay

        jon s wrote elsewhere:

        Let’s take an extreme example : picture an ISIS compound. There’s one building which serves as a barracks for the ISIS terrorists, a second building where they’re holding prisoners and hostages. Now imagine that you have the power to blow up those buildings. Are you saying that blowing up the first building is just the same as blowing up the second, because in both cases you’re perpetrating a massacre?

        As far as I can tell, jon s is simply making a distinction between intentionally killing a group of ISIS terrorists and intentionally killing civilian non-combatants.

        Now, you might (or might not) oppose the the killing of ISIS terrorists en masse, but jon’s distinction hardly seems unusual. In fact, a distinction between killing combatants/terrorists and killing non-combatant civilians is well-established in international law and accepted by every democratic state in the world, is it not?

        The main point, though, is how is this issue relevant at all to the situation in Gaza? By any reasonable standard of judgment, the Gaza protesters are almost entirely civilians– not armed combatants/terrorists– Lieberman et al.’s baseless opinions notwithstanding. In the context of the Gaza events , why get into a long debate whether it’s okay to kill terrorists or not? It’s just another distraction.

      • Mooser
        April 14, 2018, 1:43 pm

        “He has stated that he makes “a distinction between innocent civilians and armed terrorists and criminals”.”

        And as a Zionist and Israeli historian and real Jewish person, these are distinctions which “Jon s” is eminently qualified to make on an objective and humanitarian basis.
        Especially if the ‘distinctions’ serve his cause.

        I don’t know, maybe “Jon s” is leaning just a little too heavily on an assumption of philo-Semitism.

      • eljay
        April 14, 2018, 2:33 pm

        || Sibiriak: … I don’t favor massacres , period. … ||

        I’m glad to hear it.

        || … jon s wrote elsewhere:

        Let’s take an extreme example …

        As far as I can tell, jon s is simply making a distinction between intentionally killing a group of ISIS terrorists and intentionally killing civilian non-combatants. … ||

        In that extreme example, that’s what he’s doing. (Similarly, in this example he would accept the massacre of Jews. I wouldn’t.)

        But life is filled with non-extreme situations. Things like who gets massacred and who doesn’t become fuzzy and deadly.

        || … Now, you might (or might not) oppose the the killing of ISIS terrorists en masse … ||

        I’ve stated quite clearly that no-one has the right to massacre anyone, ever.

        || … but jon’s distinction hardly seems unusual. … ||

        Sure, it’s an extreme example.

        || … The main point, though, is how is this issue relevant at all to the situation in Gaza? By any reasonable standard of judgment, the Gaza protesters are almost entirely civilians– not armed combatants/terrorists– Lieberman et al.’s baseless opinions notwithstanding. … ||

        1. jon s believes it’s acceptable to massacre people who are not-innocent (e.g., criminals).
        2. Israeli Defence Minister Lieberman says “there are no innocent people in Gaza”.
        3. If no-one in Gaza is innocent, everyone in Gaza is not-innocent.
        4. According to jon s’ “logic”, it is therefore acceptable for Israel to massacre everyone in Gaza.

      • Mooser
        April 15, 2018, 11:52 am

        Poor “Jon s” is looking for philo-semitism in all the wrong places.

    • Kratoklastes
      April 30, 2018, 4:57 am

      It sounds like Lieberman is after some sort of ‘Final Solution to the Palestinian Problem’.

      How do reckon they spell ‘Endlosung‘ in Hebrew?

  7. JLewisDickerson
    April 13, 2018, 9:56 pm

    RE: Israeli leaders have been making downright genocidal claims against Palestinians, and the rhetoric finally seems to be backfiring. The government’s line on “defending itself from terrorists” is not being swallowed by the world as easily as it used to be. ~ Ofir

    MY COMMENT: Netanyahu, Lieberman, et al. only care about currying favor with their racist, right-wing supporters in Israel and the West Bank settlements. They don’t give a measly whit what the “libtards” in Europe and America think about their claims, because they have the likes of Donald Trump, Jared Kushner, John “The ‘Stache” Bolton, Jason Greenblatt, David “The Settlers’ Advocate” Friedman, “Pastor” John Hagee, Sheldon Adelson, MbS, etc. in their very large cargo pockets!

    Wit vs. whit – http://grammarist.com/usage/wit-whit/

    • rhkroell
      April 15, 2018, 6:09 pm

      I’m pretty certain President Donald Trump and his style-conscious wife, Melania, are attending solemn religious services today in a designer suit, shirt, and tie (him) and a tasteful — but exquisite —close-fitting gown (her).

      The Donald is on the same page as Bibi, Liebi, John s and the “Mustachio,” I would assume, all of whom look to their Father above who sees and pities them as He must, surely, seeing all who suffer and seek comfort. The guardian angel who leads the Donald in solemn devotion and prayers today helps console him, no doubt, by her presence, resigning him to the difficulties of his office, his duty to the faithful, and his responsibility to all humanity as the leader of the “free” world. Religious services, I presume, can be both soothing and elevating at the same time. I’m sure the Donald feels humbled and chastened and prays for mercy for all the faithful.

      • LHunter
        April 15, 2018, 8:30 pm

        Lol

  8. Citizen
    April 14, 2018, 8:03 pm

    @nytimes Masquerades Israeli Propaganda as #Journalism on Gaza Killings https://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2018/04/14/new-york-times-masquerades-israeli-propaganda-as-journalism-on-gaza-killings/ via @JeremyRHammond

  9. Darcha
    April 15, 2018, 10:47 am

    I moved from the States to then Czechoslovakia in 1992, unaware of the country’s history of, well, ‘antipathy’ to all things brown and Muslims in particular*. I meet clients these days at the high-flying City Tower office building on Fridays: one big bank, lots of silk-stocking law offices, lobbyists and the lot. In my case, a legal translator and a couple of said lawyers. On the elevator down after, three suits are laughing about the Arabs in Gaza they’d seen on the TV in the waiting room of whatever den of corruption they’d been visiting. I considered, took a five-second count to consider the risk and opted to offer a neutrally-toned question: ‘And the Israeli reaction?’ The guy smiled knowingly, took the Rambo pose, air-guitared the firing of a machine gun, and all three suits burst out laughing.

    Sometimes here I feel like I am stuck in Hell.

    *A friend was restituted a Baroque Dientzenhofer mill back in the 90s. I spent a weekend there. The family crest above the entrance features three be-fezzed and decapitated Turkish heads in its capital.

    • LHunter
      April 15, 2018, 8:39 pm

      Disgusting but expected in white Europe particularly among the elites. How I wish we could plant them in the middle of gaza – instead of taking on a Rambo stance they would be all curled up in the fetal position with piss soaked pants sucking their thumbs asking for their mommies. Wish i was in that elevator with you – I guarantee you they would not be smiling when they were assisted out of the elevator.

  10. Qualtrough
    April 16, 2018, 2:46 am

    Violent protests? – Check

    Extremists? – Check

    Rioting? – Check

    Solution? – Stun grenades

    Oops. Left out one thing. These extremists were Jewish.

    http://www.france24.com/en/20180415-israel-police-use-stun-grenades-quell-ultra-orthodox-rioters

    • eljay
      April 16, 2018, 9:15 am

      Extremists engaging in violent protests: Sounds like they were not-innocent criminals. They’re lucky Israeli police didn’t apply jon s’ “logic” to the situation and massacre them.

  11. shaun patrick
    April 16, 2018, 4:46 am

    Netanyahus lasting legacy will be that he led a government (s) whose goal was to foster hate towards Palestinians and hate doesn’t have a conscience or morals its goal is to spread more hate and it’s weapons are racism, violence, murder and lies and no society built on hate has ever survived ask any Nazis. To try and make sense of the statements of Israel’s government ministers is impossible as you cannot get a sane response from an insane person.

    • Maghlawatan
      April 16, 2018, 12:05 pm

      Great comment. Israel belongs in Gulliver’s travels, a strange land where 80% claim to be Jewish but actually worship the darkness. Where lies are truth and promises are worthless. Where watching people die is a spectator sport.

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