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These are people who have even tried "demonize" legendary anti-apartheid activists like Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu and who have also now moved on to uttering some of the most vile statements imaginable against a renowned intellectual and scholar like Stephen Hawking.
Umm that whole thing about "marrying" ones' rapist is found in the Old Testament/Jewish Bible and is not found in any Islamic religious text whatsoever.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. (King James Version, Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
As for supposed "aid" to the Islamic countries; as others have noted here this "aid", chiefly to say Egypt, is merely a bribe to make sure Egypt holds its collaborationist/surrender "peace treaty" with the expansionist colonialist Israeli regime (which includes things like the Egyptian government selling Egyptian natural gas to Israel at rock bottom prices far below the actual market price).
Stop American aid to Zionist criminals
link to stoptheblankcheck.org
"exile"
False mythology, to attempt to "justify" ethnic cleansing and oppression of the indigenous Palestinian people, at every turn even from "Zionism-lite".
link to muse.jhu.edu
"The Myth of the Jewish Exile from the Land of Israel: A Demonstration of Irenic Scholarship"
link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org "The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses" Dr. Eran Elhaik
link to google.com
Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews
(AFP) – Jan 16, 2013
link to salem-news.com
Johns Hopkins University geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik "The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. We are talking here about groups that are very heterogeneous and which are connected solely by religion." (Haaretz, December 28, 2012)
"pull out his Intel Core i7 from his tablet"
Oh these absolutely vapid supposed "arguments" from the oppressive Zionist propagandist morons. Let us see; "Intel Corporation is an American multinational semiconductor chip maker corporation headquartered in Santa Clara, California." again an AMERICAN corporation (that happens to have opened up various offices around the world in countless different countries, not changing the central fact that it is an American company headquartered in the United States again!). And it has been noted that the Israeli regime uses American "aid" money ITSELF to often incentivise American corporations to send some of their production overseas to Israel (with tax breaks, Israeli regime building of facilities saving these American corporations money, etc. etc.)
link to csmonitor.com
Literally, these hasbara claims from this pathetic "style" usually are either this (some ridiculous claim about an AMERICAN corporation, while of course not being open that it is an American corporation in question!) or just straight up Zionist lies of course. The two funniest lies have to be the Zionist claims that they supposedly "invented the cell phone" the real inventor of the cell phone American Martin Cooper of Illinois link to en.wikipedia.org
and then their claim to have supposedly "invented" the cherry tomato! Even though cherry tomatoes go back as far as Aztec Mexico in the 15th century CE link to en.wikipedia.org
What the Zionists point to there is a newer variety of cherry tomato (there are tons of different varieties of cherry tomatoes, again going back to Aztec Mexico centuries ago!) that some Israeli developed in MODERN TIMES (on stolen Palestinian land) using Peruvian seeds (i.e. seeds from Peru).
And just to close, this supposed "argument" from the Zionist hasbara clowns is probably most stupid in that they themselves will completely reject such attempted "defenses" of oh lets say Nazi Germany!! I tell these hasbara agents just three things (of the many I could bring up!); unless you "love" Nazi Germany you allegedly must stop using any modern freeway system because the first freeway system in the world was the German autobahn (that the Nazi regime inaugurated), you must stop using COMPUTERS!! because the first modern computer was developed by the Nazi German scientist Konrad Zuse link to en.wikipedia.org and also stop using anything related in any way to satellites because the basis of all modern rocketry (and thus by extension satellites being sent into orbit) was the Nazi V-1 and V-2 rocket programs (the American government brought over Nazi SS man Werner von Braun to lead NASA after the WW2) link to aljazeera.com
link to listverse.com
link to schoolhistory.co.uk
"Statements on the Internet on what the Nazis invented/ contributed to the modern world"
link to answers.yahoo.com (the person asking the question here seems to be a very similar person to the Zionist propagandists!)
But something tells me these disreputable Zionist propagandists will actually agree with me on this one, in that none of these inventions supposedly "exonerate" the Nazis of even one of their crimes. Just like the PATHETIC Zionist appeals (and often lies) about their alleged "achievements"; do NOT "exonerate" them of even one of their crimes either.
I think one the best "whoppers", or exposures I should say, of Dershowitz still has to be what the Dersh considers supposed "scholarship", as Norman Finkelstein humorously exposed in their legendary Democracy Now debate. With Finkelstein showing that Dershowitz's supposedly "scholarly" book used such "vaunted" references and source material as a High School syllabus, a Sony Pictures website, and I believe also an Orlando Sentinel opinion page writing!
According to the Old Testament the Jebusites where in Jebus first!
link to versobooks.com
"The Invention of the Land of Israel: From Holy Land to Homeland" by Shlomo Sand
A good analysis of current events in Syria from "The Real News" network link to youtube.com
"US Syria Policy Promotes Endless Civil War"
Omar Dahi: Daniel Pipes, neo-con and ultra Zionist, spells out US policy towards Syria - let both sides destroy each other
As for any of these people in the Free Syrian Army that Western or Zionist groups meet with, I would think they are pretty much just Syrian versions of Ahmed Chalabi pre-2003. As for who holds actual sway on the ground in Syria among the rebels themselves, the strongest and most effective fighting force by far is the group known as Jabhat Al-Nusra (usually given in English as the Al-Nusra Front) which is known to be significantly linked operationally to the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) aka Al-Qaeda in Iraq and to have officially "signed up" as an Al-Qaeda affiliate with a pledge of loyalty to Ayman al-Zawahiri.
"a world-leader in technology and innovation." This old propaganda nonsense by the hasbara crowd!!
Not only is much of what they claim simply false to start with (like their absolutely laughably incorrect/LUDICROUS claims such as declaring that Israel allegedly "invented" the cell phone which is actually credited to American Martin Cooper; or claiming Israel "invented" cherry tomatoes when cherry tomatoes go back as far as Aztec Mexico in the 15th century CE!) but there is also an immediate response to these pathetic hasbara claims anyway (again putting aside the simple falsehood of much of what these Zionist propagandists claim to start with)
link to listverse.com "Top 10 Things The Nazis Got Right"
Do all the inventions and technology that came out of Nazi Germany link to schoolhistory.co.uk (see post #3 in particular) somehow supposedly "exonerate" the Nazis of their crimes as well??! Something tells me the Zionist propagandists in question here, would respond NO very forcefully to that!
Dr. Shlomo Sand was actually completely validated by the definitive genetic study on the issue.
Dr. Eran Elhaik "The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses"
link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org
link to google.com
Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews
(AFP) – Jan 16, 2013
Johns Hopkins University geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik (link to eelhaik.aravindachakravartilab.org) has authored the master study on the issue which has been noted to have either synthesized and/or refuted anything that came before him.
See this link that mirrors a December 28, 2012 Haaretz article as well link to salem-news.com
"The Jewish People's Ultimate Treasure Hunt" by Ofer Aderet
December 28, 2012
Dr. Eran Elhaik states to Haaretz: "The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. We are talking here about groups that are very heterogeneous and which are connected solely by religion."
Of course none of this matters in terms of the international law, which is also clearly on the side of the Palestinians as well.
link to aljazeera.com "Why Palestinians have a right to return home"
link to aljazeera.com "UN inquiry says Israel must end settlements"
One central point that comes to mind when anyone tries to claim Israel is supposedly a "democracy" is this quick point from scholar Noel Ignatiev: link to counterpunch.org
"Unlike many countries, including the United States, the Israeli state does not belong, even in principle, to those who reside within its borders, but is defined as the state of the Jewish people, wherever they may be. That peculiar definition is one reason why the state has to this day failed to produce a written constitution, define its borders, or even declare the existence of an Israeli nationality."
I believe Professor Shlomo Sand once noted in a lecture on the topic of his first book, "The Invention of the Jewish People", that in this Israel violates the very first principal of what makes a state an actual democracy: that it is owned by all the citizens who live in its' borders. Thus Zionism, by its very own definition and ideology, violates this basic starting principal.
link to youtube.com Ilan Pappe "Israel is not a democracy"
Zionist propagandists go on and on calling the Jews they oppose (i.e. Jews who stand for justice) supposed "kapos". Apparently these Zionists in question, like the absolute moron Geller, are either just ignorant of (or should I say likely willfully ignorant of) the history of Zionists and the Zionist movement in the 1930s in the lead up to WW2 and then during WW2 itself.
Reality:
link to youtube.com
Lenni Brenner *** Zionist Deals with Nazis and Fascists (part 1)
"51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis" edited by Lenni Brenner
link to counterpunch.org
link to amazon.com
Kind of makes these Zionist trolls spewing about supposed "kapos" especially ludicrous.
I would be interested if anyone has seen what the demographic figures are thought to be, within the United States that is, of right-wing Evangelical nutjobs also often known as Dispensationalists or the Rapture cult lol. Profiled in videos like this classic from Max Blumenthal link to youtube.com "Rapture Ready: The Christians United for Israel Tour "
These clowns, like those Max Blumenthal profiled back in that 2007 video, are certainly (and unfortunately) a quite sizable and powerful force in Republican politics in the US; but I'm not sure about their size relative to the US population as a whole. People like these "rapture" seeking buffoons are not interested in any reality; they are simply brainwashed cultists.
Khazar is not a "racist" term at all, it is simply the predominant background for somewhere around 90% of the world population that is identified as Jewish (putting aside the little fact that Judaism was, is, and always will be ONLY a religion; no matter how much "race" obsessed neo-Nazis and Zionists will try to deny this simple fact).
link to google.com
Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews
(AFP) – Jan 16, 2013
PARIS — Jews of European origin are a mix of ancestries, with many hailing from tribes in the Caucasus who converted to Judaism and created an empire that lasted half a millennium, according to a gene study.
The investigation, its author says, should settle a debate that has been roiling for more than two centuries.
Jews of European descent, often called Ashkenazis, account for some 90 percent of the more than 13 million Jews in the world today.
According to the so-called Rhineland Hypothesis, Ashkenazis descended from Jews who progressively fled Palestine after the Moslem conquest of 638 AD.
They settled in southern Europe and then, in the late Middle Ages, about 50,000 of them moved from the Rhineland in Germany into eastern Europe, according to the hypothesis.
But detractors say this idea is implausible.
Barring a miracle --which some supporters of the Rhineland Hypothesis have in fact suggested -- the scenario would have been demographically impossible.
It would mean that the population of Eastern European Jews leapt from 50,000 in the 15th century to around eight million at the start of the 20th century.
That birth rate would have been 10 times greater than that of the local non-Jewish population. And it would have occurred despite economic hardship, disease, wars and pogroms that ravaged Jewish communities.
Seeking new light in the argument, a study published in the British journal Genome Biology and Evolution, compares the genomes of 1,287 unrelated individuals who hail from eight Jewish and 74 non-Jewish populations.
Geneticist Eran Elhaik of the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland, trawled through this small mountain of data in search of single changes in the DNA code that are linked to a group's geographical origins.
Such telltales have been used in past research to delve into the origins of the Basque people and the pygmy people of central Africa.
Among European Jews, Elhaik found ancestral signatures that pointed clearly to the Caucasus and also, but to a smaller degree, the Middle East.
The results, said Elhaik, give sound backing for the rival theory -- the "Khazarian Hypothesis."
Under this concept, eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, a hotchpotch of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries AD and, influenced by Jews from Palestine, converted to Judaism in the 8th century.
The Judeo-Khazars built a flourishing empire, drawing in Jews from Mesopotamia and imperial Byzantium.
They became so successful that they sent offshoots into Hungary and Romania, planting the seeds of a great diaspora.
But Khazaria collapsed in the 13th century when it was attacked by the Mongols and became weakened by outbreaks of the Black Death.
The Judeo-Khazars fled westwards, settling in the rising Polish Kingdom and in Hungary, where their skills in finance, economics and politics were in demand, and eventually spread to central and western Europe, according to the "Khazarian Hypothesis."
"We conclude that the genome of European Jews is a tapestry of ancient populations including Judaised Khazars, Greco-Roman Jews, Mesopotamian Jews and Judeans," says Elhaik.
"Their population structure was formed in the Caucasus and the banks of the Volga, with roots stretching to Canaan and the banks of the Jordan."
Many things are unknown about the Khazars, whose tribal confederation gathered Slavs, Scythians, Hunnic-Bulgars, Iranians, Alans and Turks.
But, argues Elhaik, the tale sketched in the genes is backed by archaeological findings, by Jewish literature that describes the Khazars' conversion to Judaism, and by language, too.
"Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language" before being reclassified as High German, he notes.
Another pointer is that European Jews and their ancestral groups in the Caucasus and Middle East share a relatively high risk of diseases such as cystic fibrosis.
The investigation should help fine-tune a fast-expanding branch of genomics, which looks at single-change DNA mutations that are linked with inherited disease, adds Elhaik.
Copyright © 2013 AFP. All rights reserved.
The photos in this article of the AIPAC fifth-columnist Wasserman-Schultz are definitely vomit worthy.
As for what you said about; "israel supporters in the US are always liberals…till you say israel… then it is hard right neocon speak"
You are completely correct. One of the main areas of this hypocrisy that immediately came to my mind, is how these American Zionist "liberals" are for a path to legalization for undocumented immigrants in the US (something I actually support as well); BUT then these American Zionist supporting "liberals" turn around and wholeheartedly support Israel's racist, draconian anti-migrant laws (which have seen right wing fascistic Zionist politicians saying something has to be done against these mostly African migrants because they "threaten the Jewish character of the state" and are allegedly "a cancer" in the words of one right wing Ziofascist from the Shas party if I recall).
As Mr. Weiss noted in an article here at Mondoweiss last year: link to mondoweiss.net "U.S. Jewish orgs are liberal on illegal immigration here, but intolerant of illegals in Israel"
"I banged the gavel for God and Jerusalem and I'm proud that I did."
WOW!!! What a clown!
"United Nations Security Council Resolution 478, adopted on 20 August 1980, is one of seven UNSC resolutions condemning Israel's attempted annexation of East Jerusalem."
I'm sure Mr. Khalidi knows that Obama completely sold out to AIPAC long ago: link to electronicintifada.net
Obama is of course a corporatist war criminal (see the illegal drone strikes massacring Pakistani, etc. civilian women and children), some great artwork from activist and artist Latuff back in 2010 link to deliberation.info and of course on the theme in that artwork one should also see link to huffingtonpost.com
The only people who are worse than Obama himself, are the so-called "liberals" who STILL drink the "soft" imperialism Obama kool-aid till this day.
"Jews whose ancestors may have lived there several thousand years ago!"
And even that mythology from the Zionists is largely demonstrably false.
Johns Hopkins University geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik, Ph.D. "The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses" link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org
Elhaik: "Our findings support the Khazarian hypothesis"
and from AFP (Agence France Presse)
link to google.com
Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews
(AFP) – Jan 16, 2013
PARIS — Jews of European origin are a mix of ancestries, with many hailing from tribes in the Caucasus who converted to Judaism and created an empire that lasted half a millennium, according to a gene study.
The investigation, its author says, should settle a debate that has been roiling for more than two centuries.
Jews of European descent, often called Ashkenazis, account for some 90 percent of the more than 13 million Jews in the world today.
Of course the AIPAC puppet Uncle Tom Obama spews the same tired refuted propaganda nonsense as that of his Zionist masters.
REALITY, as opposed to Zionist MYTHOLOGY that the AIPAC stooge Obama is busy spewing right now:
link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org
Johns Hopkins University geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik "The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses"
Elhaik: "Our findings support the Khazarian hypothesis"
and also on Dr. Eran Elhaik's genetic study
link to google.com
Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews
(AFP) – Jan 16, 2013
Two things that came to my mind:
Tel Aviv University linguist Paul Wexler "The Schizoid Nature of Modern Hebrew:
A Slavic Language in Search of a Semitic Past" link to books.google.com
And of course Tel Aviv University Professor of History Shlomo Sand "The Invention of the Land of Israel: From Holy Land to Homeland" link to amazon.com
CNN's Fareed Zakaria had a very interesting piece on this a couple of years back: link to youtube.com
The vid even shows Bennie Mileikowksy as a younger man saying he will never accept "another Arab state" or a "second Palestinian state"; i.e. that old fascistic Jabotinsky Revisionist Zionist movement claim that "Jordan is Palestine!" Because these right wing Revisionist Zionists, unlike even the main block of Labour Zionists under David Gryn aka Ben-Gurion, considered the British granting the Emirate of Transjordan to the Hashemites (who had lost out to the also British allied house of Saud aka Saudis in the Arabian Peninsula itself) as supposedly "stealing" Jordan from them (i.e. the Revisionist Zionists, who had wanted and promoted an ideology of having their colonization "on BOTH sides of the Jordan River").
And Bennie Mileikowsky finishes up by VERY INTERESTINGLY having said in this old vid that Palestinians should be offered either Israeli or Jordanian citizenship (instead of having their own independent state)! Fareed Zakaria notes the Palestinians should take him up on this old offer, and demand FULL, equal Israeli citizenship today! i.e. the road to a One-State Solution.
Very reminiscent of the quote "The only good Indian is a dead Indian." attributed by historians to Philip Sheridan link to en.wikipedia.org
Which might explain why human rights activists of the American Indian Movement like William "Jimbo" Simmons (and the late Russell Means, etc) are strong activists for the Palestinian cause: link to freepalestinemovement.org
"Yet the absence in that speech of an explicit affirmation of the deep and abiding 3,200 year old connection of the Jewish people with its historic homeland" of course these retarded Zionist propagandist liars will keep spouting their same debunked MYTHS no matter how many times they are completely refuted!
link to google.com
Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews
(AFP) – Jan 16, 2013
PARIS — Jews of European origin are a mix of ancestries, with many hailing from tribes in the Caucasus who converted to Judaism and created an empire that lasted half a millennium, according to a gene study.
The investigation, its author says, should settle a debate that has been roiling for more than two centuries.
Jews of European descent, often called Ashkenazis, account for some 90 percent of the more than 13 million Jews in the world today.
According to the so-called Rhineland Hypothesis, Ashkenazis descended from Jews who progressively fled Palestine after the Moslem conquest of 638 AD.
They settled in southern Europe and then, in the late Middle Ages, about 50,000 of them moved from the Rhineland in Germany into eastern Europe, according to the hypothesis.
But detractors say this idea is implausible.
Barring a miracle --which some supporters of the Rhineland Hypothesis have in fact suggested -- the scenario would have been demographically impossible.
It would mean that the population of Eastern European Jews leapt from 50,000 in the 15th century to around eight million at the start of the 20th century.
That birth rate would have been 10 times greater than that of the local non-Jewish population. And it would have occurred despite economic hardship, disease, wars and pogroms that ravaged Jewish communities.
Seeking new light in the argument, a study published in the British journal Genome Biology and Evolution, compares the genomes of 1,287 unrelated individuals who hail from eight Jewish and 74 non-Jewish populations.
Geneticist Eran Elhaik of the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland, trawled through this small mountain of data in search of single changes in the DNA code that are linked to a group's geographical origins.
Such telltales have been used in past research to delve into the origins of the Basque people and the pygmy people of central Africa.
Among European Jews, Elhaik found ancestral signatures that pointed clearly to the Caucasus and also, but to a smaller degree, the Middle East.
The results, said Elhaik, give sound backing for the rival theory -- the "Khazarian Hypothesis."
Under this concept, eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, a hotchpotch of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries AD and, influenced by Jews from Palestine, converted to Judaism in the 8th century.
The Judeo-Khazars built a flourishing empire, drawing in Jews from Mesopotamia and imperial Byzantium.
They became so successful that they sent offshoots into Hungary and Romania, planting the seeds of a great diaspora.
But Khazaria collapsed in the 13th century when it was attacked by the Mongols and became weakened by outbreaks of the Black Death.
The Judeo-Khazars fled westwards, settling in the rising Polish Kingdom and in Hungary, where their skills in finance, economics and politics were in demand, and eventually spread to central and western Europe, according to the "Khazarian Hypothesis."
"We conclude that the genome of European Jews is a tapestry of ancient populations including Judaised Khazars, Greco-Roman Jews, Mesopotamian Jews and Judeans," says Elhaik.
"Their population structure was formed in the Caucasus and the banks of the Volga, with roots stretching to Canaan and the banks of the Jordan."
Many things are unknown about the Khazars, whose tribal confederation gathered Slavs, Scythians, Hunnic-Bulgars, Iranians, Alans and Turks.
But, argues Elhaik, the tale sketched in the genes is backed by archaeological findings, by Jewish literature that describes the Khazars' conversion to Judaism, and by language, too.
"Yiddish, the language of Central and Eastern European Jews, began as a Slavic language" before being reclassified as High German, he notes.
Another pointer is that European Jews and their ancestral groups in the Caucasus and Middle East share a relatively high risk of diseases such as cystic fibrosis.
The investigation should help fine-tune a fast-expanding branch of genomics, which looks at single-change DNA mutations that are linked with inherited disease, adds Elhaik.
Copyright © 2013 AFP. All rights reserved.
link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org
Johns Hopkins University geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik "The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses"
© The Author(s) 2012. Published by Oxford University Press on behalf of the Society for Molecular Biology and Evolution.
By the way the attempted Zionist propagandist "responses" to Dr. Eran Elhaik's definitive genetic study have been so weak and pathetic, they are almost beyond laughable!
While of course still completely vile and reprehensible Michael Oren does have to be one of the Zionist regime hasbara officials who unintentionally provides the biggest laughs with his ludicrous statements and regular propaganda actions. It is pretty hard to top Oren's pathetic censorship attempts against Bob Simon of CBS 60 Minutes, when Simon was covering Palestinian Christians link to mondoweiss.net
Bob Simon: Mr. Ambassador, I've been doing this a long time. And I've received lots of reactions from just about everyone I've done stories about. But I've never gotten a reaction before from a story that hasn't been broadcast yet.
Michael Oren: Well, there's a first time for everything, Bob.
LOL!
I agree with the general point you made. However, I would also note for example UN investigations have noted the appalling treatment many Native Americans still receive (and for example see the widespread corruption within the "Bureau of Indian Affairs", often to the continuing detriment of Native Americans, that groups like the American Indian Movement aka AIM spoke so strongly about). On the United Nations angle, Mr. James Anaya, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples has written and delivered some very important information link to unsr.jamesanaya.org
On another topic, Mr. Anaya has also written important reports on the situation and injustices being imposed on the Bedouin in the Negev desert currently link to scribd.com and link to mondediplo.com
But as for the overall point of your comment in regards to the US today I agree, with the side note of the plight Native Americans still face despite officially being completely equal under the law (similar situations can be noted in regards to African-Americans, Latinos, etc. in the US today as well).
"Frightened" jingoists what a "shame".
On the fictional book of "Esther" I meant to say that it is a bloodsoaked fantasy, which ALSO interestingly never mentions a deity of any kind.
Some Zionist fascists have attempted to use this "story", a bloodsoaked fantasy as it is which all interestingly never mentions a deity of any kind, in their modern political propaganda. Interesting fact on that:
"Comparatively few modern scholars of note consider the narrative of Esther to rest on a historical foundation... The vast majority of modern expositors have reached the conclusion that the book is a piece of pure fiction, although some writers qualify their criticism by an attempt to treat it as a historical romance.
Source: "Esther", The Jewish Encyclopaedia, 1905, Volume V, Funk & Wagnalls Company: London & New York, pp. 235-236.
Also it should be noted the danger of what Biden, AIPAC's poodle, stated. As if it was actually taken seriously, it would imply that Jews cannot be trusted to actually be "loyal" American citizens because supposedly their ultimate loyalty has to go to the Tel Aviv regime (which couldn't be more false)!
Aren't these the same Zionist fascists who are whining all the time that "Israel is so small, and yet they still want us to give up territory!" (in reference to international law calling for the ending of the illegal 1967 occupations). But according to the AIPAC puppet Joe Biden; Jews IN AMERICA supposedly "can't be safe" without Israel thousands of miles away! Little factoid, a single strike of a nuclear weapon would all but take out Israel entirely, so I think the United States of America serves as a much better supposed "shield" for a mythological situation that Biden and company are trying to imply that someone is today supposedly out to "kill the Jews!" (which makes Biden sound almost as "logical" as that vapid ignoramus Glenn Beck).
These people seem bent on making claims that go far beyond even the sick propaganda industry that Norman Finkelstein throttled in his classic book of years back link to amazon.com
"reach out to the churches in your community, to the African-Americans, the Latinos, to the mosques" lol what pathetic Zionist hasbara. These Zionist propagandists know African-Americans mostly oppose their crimes (I'm sure these AIPAC clowns are among those who still try to bring up Jeremiah Wright every other second), AIPAC and the ADL whine about Chicano groups quite a lot link to nationalmecha.org and they know Muslim Americans oppose their Zionist crimes.
It is quite an irony that Zionist Jews are turning EVEN more to right wing Anglo-Saxon Protestants (the same Protestants who in the past had Martin Luther writing books with such titles as "On the Jews and Their Lies"), who today have "Christian Zionist" nutjobs who are part of the end times cult known as "dispenstationalism" (who have all but trademarked their doctrine of the "rapture", invented in 19th century CE England by a man named John Nelson Darby, on Dispensationalism link to rationalwiki.org
Who can forget this!
link to youtube.com
Max Blumenthal "Rapture Ready: The Christians United for Israel Tour"
A whole lot of ziofascist mythology thrown together with bigotry and colonialism, what a "surprise" from this criminal Benny Mileikowksy.
link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org
Johns Hopkins University geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik, Ph.D. "The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses"
Elhaik: "Our findings support the Khazarian hypothesis"
link to google.com
"Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews"
(AFP) – Jan 16, 2013
As for one other point from Mileikowksy's retarded speech of propaganda nonsense, he claims to have "withdrawn" from Lebanon which is a false claim (see the occupied Shebaa Farms of Lebanon) and he leaves out that whole little part about the occupying Israeli forces being FORCED out of Lebanon by the heroic armed resistance of the Lebanese people. And as for supposedly "withdrawing" from the now besieged Gaza Strip, Dov Weisglass (Sharon's old "pal") let the truth about that slip.
link to informationclearinghouse.info
"Israel marketed disengagement to Americans as a step toward peace, but Palestinians remembered the October 2004 comment of Dov Weisglass, adviser to former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon: 'The disengagement is actually formaldehyde. It supplies the amount of formaldehyde that's necessary so that there will not be a political process with the Palestinians.'"
Another informative link on the again now illegally besieged Gaza Strip link to worldbulletin.net, "Fact Sheet: The Smokescreen of the Gaza Disengagement" from back in 2005: link to palsolidarity.org
And lastly here is a nice recent video refuting the old tired zionist propaganda that Mileikowsky still spews in the above video of course (go to 13:09 in this video I post) link to youtube.com! Professor of History Shlomo Sand, Ph.D. giving reality: link to versobooks.com
I await the hasbara gang to now declare "Hokie Bird" the next "existential threat" facing the Israeli apartheid regime!
"IDF to Pump Nearly $200 Million into US Car Industry" what a JOKE. This alleged "$200 million" (if everything is even accurate coming from the source in question) would be just a small/puny fraction of even the daily cost of the massive US military, intelligence, and security budget that is at the level it is LARGELY due to blind US support for Israeli crimes, oppression, and generalized insane behavior. Which clearly due to the US government's very public role in abetting Israel when she commits her crimes, then of course generates anti-American sentiment around the world. That is again due to the US government pledging undying fealty to Tel Aviv aka "the special relationship".
link to youtube.com
"Ex CIA Chief Michael Scheuer Israel is Worth Nothing to United States. "
link to youtube.com
"Michael Scheuer - "Israel Is Spying On The U.S., Stealing Technology & Bribing Congress"
link to youtube.com
"David Cross on the Terrorists" (Hilarious by the way!)
Feiglin is a fascist liar and moron; who according to the most recent studies is more then likely of Khazar ancestry himself (so it is certainly humorous to see his baseless lies against the INDIGENOUS Palestinian people).
link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org Johns Hopkins University geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik, Ph.D. "The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses"
link to google.com
Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews (AFP) – Jan 16, 2013
As for the indigenous Palestinian people, scholar Professor Emeritus Alan Dowty of Notre Dame University writes; "Palestinians are the descendants of all the indigenous peoples who lived in Palestine over the centuries; since the seventh century, they have been predominantly Muslim in religion and almost completely Arab in language and culture." Dowty, Alan (2008). Israel/Palestine. London, UK: Polity. p. 221. link to books.google.com
But of course none of the FACTS or REALITY are of interest to a vapid, ignoramus, fascist moron like Feiglin who we can see is still promoting the utterly debunked propaganda nonsense of Joan Peters (from the 1980s) that Norman Finkelstein and then Professor Yehoshua Porath (even) completely refuted beyond all doubt!
link to mondoweiss.net
Professor Yehoshua Porath's article that has correctly been termed the Coup de grâce for Peters' lies: link to nybooks.com
The most humorous thing about simply noting the disproportionate amount of Jewish people in positions of power in Hollywood being termed a supposed "canard"; is there are certain "triumphalist" Jewish figures who have BRAGGED about this to a large extent! So are they part of this same alleged "canard"??!
link to en.wikipedia.org "An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood"
link to youtube.com video of "An Empire of Their Own"
Hi Mr. Weiss. What next are you going to tell me "Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend" is a fraud also! "Oops" that fraud has already been shown; and shown so clearly that even "CAMERA" had to admit it was a hoax! That however hasn't stopped some of the more ridiculous of the hasbara trolls from STILL trotting out that old fraud.
Good job on this article Mr. Weiss.
link to counterpunch.org "The Use and Abuse of Martin Luther King Jr. by Israel’s Apologists"
link to electronicintifada.net "Fraud fit for a King: Israel, Zionism, and the misuse of MLK"
link to en.wikipedia.org
The one person (Bill Nelson) mentioning American "patriotism" is indeed "special" coming from a group of people (US government officials) who spend so much of their time openly groveling at the feet of the Zionist lobby (aka unregistered agents of a foreign government). This is so much the case that it was/is almost impossible to tell SNL's "joking" donkey skit apart from the ACTUAL Hagel nomination hearings!
I am actually a little bit "surprised" Obama fellating a donkey isn't officially included on the "itinerary"!
This thing that this hasbara agent is bringing up wouldn't happen to be that old debunked HOAX letter falsely attributed to MLK would it? I'm not going to spend time reading some Zionist propaganda drivel!
link to counterpunch.org
link to electronicintifada.net
"we go back 3, 4,000 years. Palestinians don't." These Zionist propagandists are both vile and beyond hilarious in how entirely incorrect their propaganda of course is!
First on the Palestinians, (of many things that could be cited) Professor Emeritus Alan Dowty of Notre Dame University; "Palestinians are the descendants of all the indigenous peoples who lived in Palestine over the centuries; since the seventh century, they have been predominantly Muslim in religion and almost completely Arab in language and culture."
And then most recently of all in regards to the Zionist propagandists (for people like this clown Michael Steinhardt, since he brought of the topic), Dr. Eran Elhaik "The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses" link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org
link to failedmessiah.typepad.com
"The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. We are talking here about groups that are very heterogeneous and which are connected solely by religion…[the] genome of European Jews is a mosaic of ancient peoples and its origin is largely Khazar."
link to salem-news.com
link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org
But of course Zionist freaks and propagandists have a complete aversion to FACTS, HISTORY, and of course REALITY!!
Using your "logic", the Old City of Jerusalem (where all the holy sites are located) is still almost entirely Palestinian! Using the logic of Religious Zionists, they as Zionists are losing in that mathematics angle! Also you might want to check actual sources:
link to domino.un.org
link to books.google.com
Not even the US government (despite the bribed AIPAC controlled clowns in the Congress and Senate trying to push the issue for those AIPAC dollars and among the Republicans the votes of the loony "Christian Zionist" end timer/rapture seekers!) accepts the Israeli government's illegal claim to annexing Jerusalem (and as such the US embassy is not in Jerusalem). And all the Israeli claims regarding this whole issue are, as Mr. Suarez easily demonstrates, ruled entirely illegal under international law (United Nations Security Council Resolution 478 in particular!)
As for what you claim is "not recognizing the earth revolves around the sun", I assume your basing this ridiculous claim of yours on a mythology book with a talking snake that says the Jebusites where there "first" (in "Jebus") anyway right?!
link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org
MHughes976,
Hello I found your comment to be very interesting, especially when you said "The recently discovered Valerius Gratus coins are interesting as a disproof of the idea that the Wall is part of the Temple completed by Herod 20 years before". Do you have any links you could share on this, I would be interested in reading on it. It reminded of this simple info available on wikipedia (of course not an academic source but still) in relation to the Western Wall "but recent excavations indicate that the works were not finished during Herod's lifetime. The remaining layers were added from the 7th century onwards" (I'm assuming this statement I'm quoting is meaning from the 7th century CE and onwards).
Remember things like this, and this of course link to 972mag.com whenever you hear the hasbara brigade out claiming "Israel is a democracy, and Arab Israelis have 'full rights'" etc. (putting aside the occupied territories of course)
And also remember truth like this as well link to youtube.com
link to newint.org
Scholar Ilan Pappe; "No, Israel is definitely not a democracy. A country that occupies another people for more than 40 years and disallows them the most elementary civic and human rights cannot be a democracy. A country that pursues a discriminatory policy against a fifth of its Palestinian citizens inside the 1967 borders cannot be a democracy.
In fact, Israel is what we in political science call a herrenvolk democracy, democracy only for the masters. The fact that you allow people to participate in the formal side of democracy, namely to vote or to be elected, is meaningless if you don’t give them any share in the common good or in the common resources of the state, or if you discriminate against them despite the fact that you allow them to participate in the elections. On almost every level – from official legislation through governmental practices to social and cultural attitudes – Israel is only a democracy for one ethnic group which, given the space that Israel now controls, is not even a majority group anymore. So I think that you’ll find it very hard to use any known definition of democracy which is applicable for the Israeli case."
The kind of people Israel and leading Israeli figures are today often openly associating themselves with is quite telling to be sure. People like, just to name a few, John Hagee, Glenn Beck, Pamela Geller of course, Robert Spencer, the fascist "EDL" crew over in England, the fascist Geert Wilders, etc. etc. (i.e. a bunch of disreputable right-wing extremists!)
For some reason after reading this article here I was reminded of some Israeli academic (that I remember seeing on Jon Stewart's Daily Show program some years back) that had put out some book seriously trying to claim the reason for Palestinian suicide bombers wasn't because of the occupation and repression of the Zionists against Palestinians but was actually supposedly just because of "sexual repression of Palestinian men" or some such absurd claim.
I remember even Jon Stewart was like (when interviewing this character) "but what about the occupation and the conflict? Don't you think that is the driving force behind the bombers?" and with a straight face this "academic" (have to put quotes around that term for this person, whose name I can't recall off hand) responded to Jon Stewart saying something to the effect of "No that is just an 'excuse', the truth is they are just 'sexually repressed' in their society and so the men simply want to go to heaven to get virgins" or some such ridiculous claim.
It appears to be becoming more and more likely that, as a whole range of thinkers and analysts including Jeff Halper and co. have noted link to icahd.org that the two-state solution is becoming less and less possible all the time due to the the increase of the illegal settlements. And the real question is simply becoming more and more what kind of a ONE-STATE solution will we have between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea: i.e. will it be the current nightmare of Israeli apartheid or a new day and a new hopeful opportunity in a single democratic state with equal rights for all CITIZENS (think post-apartheid, Mandela led South Africa).
You will often see Zionist propagandists, at the mention of the One-State Solution, saying things like "that is just your newest plan to destroy the 'Jewish' and 'democratic' state of Israel!" (putting aside that those two claims about being a "Jewish, democracy" are self-contradictory in the case of the colonizing/apartheid Zionist movement and also how exactly the modern secular Israeli regime is supposedly a "Jewish state" has of course never been adequately explained to start with!). But the reality is these same Zionists supporting the illegal settlements are themselves the ones killing the Two-state solution in front of the whole world and making a One-state solution again more and more inevitable!
A boycott of a university, like Technion, that is knee deep in the blood of innocent Palestinian (and also Lebanese, etc) women and children (via all their supplying of the Israeli military industrial complex and by extension the Israeli war machine) is a boycott that is more than justified.
These Zionist propagandists are absolutely repugnant; they actually assist ACTUAL racists and xenophobes (white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and that repulsive group of individuals, etc) with the stupid false charges they make against people of conscience and all kinds of various humanitarians. So if we tally the list among just some of the people who are supposedly "anti-Jewish" we get: Barack Obama, Norman Finkelstein, Jimmy Carter, Nelson Mandela, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, probably the whole group "Jewish Voice for Peace", and basically just about all the left-leaning humanitarian groups that are speaking out in the case of human rights for ALL people.
Sibiriak,
Thank you for your kind reply. I have indeed actually red through Jits Van Straten's work that you mentioned and linked to. Van Straten does a good job I believe, and I would recommend simply searching Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin's name in the search bar of the Google Books link you provided and one can see Van Straten discussing the issues at hand from the relevant sources.
I hope Van Straten includes a new edition or new book that can discuss Dr. Eran Elhaik's exciting new paper, that was obviously published too recently to be included in Van Straten's 2011 book. As Dr. Eran Elhaik's study "The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses" was only published first as a preprint in August of this year (2012) link to arxiv.org and then now only this month (December 2012) in the leading PEER-REVIEWED scientific journal "Genome Biology and Evolution" link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org
Abstract of Dr. Elhaik's paper: link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org
And again the full paper of the study of Dr. Elhaik: link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org
Sibiriak,
Thank you for your kind reply. I have indeed red through large parts of Jits Van Straten's recent book "The Origin of Ashkenazi Jewry: The Controversy Unraveled" and I'd say it is a very well done and interesting read.
Van Straten goes through all the different research and varying conclusions, and I'd recommend simply entering the name of "Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin" (for example) in the search bar of the Google Books link you provided to see the debate between geneticist Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin link to linkedin.com again and some of the other involved researchers.
Dr. Eran Elhaik's research isn't mentioned in Van Straten's book (from 2011) as Elhaik's research is too recent (first published as a preprint in August of this year and now published in the peer-reviewed scientific journal "Genome Biology and Evolution" this month: December 14 online to be exact)
First: link to arxiv.org
And now: link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org
Professor Sand himself discusses the questionable nature of such claims and the political nature of the whole issue, and Sand even cites on the footnotes of his "The Invention of the Jewish People" page 279 the work of respected anthropologist Katya Gibel Azoulay, Ph.D. "Not An Innocent Pursuit" link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
And as user Sibiriak responded already, Professor Sand was actually speaking of this study/research paper, just recently accepted by a leading journal, by geneticist Dr. Eran Elhaik, Ph.D. of the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine "McKusick-Nathans Institute of Genetic Medicine".
The paper in question is entitled "The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses" by Dr. Eran Elhaik accepted by Oxford Journal's leading "Genome Biology and Evolution" peer-reviewed journal
link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org
Genome Biol Evol (2012) doi: 10.1093/gbe/evs119 First published online: December 14, 2012
Also I see haaretz was using a very dubious phrase like "race" to start, "races" are unscientific social constructs link to pnas.org
"There is wide agreement among anthropologists and human geneticists that, from a biological standpoint, human races do not exist (2, 3). Yet, races do exist as social constructs that are mutable over time and across social contexts and are sustained by a racial ideology (4)."
As for Jewish people, I think biological scientist Professor Robert Pollack of Columbia University's Center for the Study of Science and Religion summed it up pretty well back in 2005 by stating something that still holds true today as well of course: "There are no DNA sequences common to all Jews and absent from all non-Jews; there is nothing in the human genome that makes or diagnoses a person as a Jew."
As for other genetic studies on Jewish people, they have shown that Jews (like all other people) are highly mixed and very diverse. Just some studies and links of value.
link to biology-direct.com "The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms" by geneticist Dr. Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin, Ph.D.
link to informahealthcare.com "Protein electrophoretic markers in Israel" by Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin et al.
link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"Thrombophilic polymorphisms in Israel." by Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin et al. again
link to pnas.org study called Bray et al. 2010 "Signatures of founder effects, admixture, and selection in the Ashkenazi Jewish population" that states Ashkenazi Jews are closer to three European populations ("Tuscans, Italians, and French") than to any Middle Easterners. And this study, Bray et al. 2010, also estimates the amount of "European admixture" in the Ashkenazi Jewish population to be between 35% and 55%. A paper on Bray et al. 2010 as well link to dienekes.blogspot.com
link to dienekes.blogspot.com
And another interesting read link to jogg.info by Ellen Levy-Coffman
The website GenomeWeb News stated in an article dated June 3, 2010, while also seeking to minimize any mention of Khazar ancestry in Ashkenazi Jews: "Instead, Ashkenazi Jews seem to be more genetically similar to non-Jewish populations in Northern Italy, France, and Sardinia. Meanwhile, Jewish populations in Iran and Iraq tended to cluster closer to non-Jewish Palestinian, Druze, and Bedouin populations than to Europeans."
The bulk of the evidence seems to indicate Ashkenazi Jews appear to be closest to certain European populations (specifically Italians and French) and geneticist Dr. Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin states he believes most Ashkenazis appear to be descendants of Roman "gentile" converts to the religion of Judaism (with Zoossmann-Diskin citing the same historical research papers and theses like, Uriel Rapaport "Jewish Religious Propaganda and Proselytism in the Period of the Second Commonwealth" and Nurit Meroz "Proselytism in the Roman Empire in the First Centuries AD", that Professor Sand himself cites in "The Invention of the Jewish People").
And again of course Dr. Eran Elhaik's new study has supported the Khazar hypothesis as well.
link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org
Full paper link to gbe.oxfordjournals.org
link to eelhaik.aravindachakravartilab.org Dr. Eran Elhaik's personal academic website
I immediately thought of Norman Finkelstein's classic work "The Holocaust Industry" when I read this article.
link to normanfinkelstein.com
As Finkelstein notes; "Much of the outrage was directed at the chapter entitled The Double Shakedown, in which I documented the Holocaust industry's blackmail of European governments in the name of 'needy Holocaust victims' and then the shakedown of Holocaust victims by the Jewish organizations that pocketed the 'Holocaust compensation' monies."
Finkelstein goes on to note how the people he pointed the finger at have now widely being exposed as corrupt crooks.
Benzion Mileikowsky (he was the one who later changed the family surname to the now infamous Netanyahu) was an open fascist to be sure. Benzion was the personal secretary of Revisionist Zionist leader Vladimir (Ze'ev) Jabotinsky who was famous for being a buddy of Mussolini (having run, in the 1930s CE, the "Betar Naval Academy" in Mussolini's Italy in the Italian port city Civitavecchia just search "Betar Naval Academy" even on wikipedia) and as Lenni Brenner (of "Zionism in the Age of the Dictators" and "51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With The Nazis" fame) has shown even the Labor Zionists (under David Gryn aka Ben-Gurion) referred to Vladimir Jabotinsky as "Vladimir Hitler" showing what even they thought of him and the Revisionist Zionists. The fascist Likud party of today is the clear ideological successor to the fascist Revisionist Zionists with Benjamin of course being the son of Vladimir Jabotinsky's former chief secretary. link to counterpunch.org
The idea of a supposed "Jewish exile" after 70 CE (by the Romans) is something that no serious historian (Jew or non-Jew) supports; but it is something that is widely just (incorrectly) "accepted" as an alleged "fact" by Zionists and many other people. As Jeremiah Haber noted; link to jeremiahhaber.com
"To this day, most lay people, Jews and non-Jews, accept the myth of the exile, whereas no historian, Jew or non-Jew, takes it seriously."
Professor Shlomo Sand definitely does take on this (and many more Zionist myths) in his bestselling and award winning 2009 work "The Invention of the Jewish People" link to versobooks.com
One of the main recent academic works on the myth of the "exile" (that Professor Sand cites) was the work (in 2006) of historian Professor Israel Jacob Yuval entitled "The Myth of the Jewish Exile from the Land of Israel: A Demonstration of Irenic Scholarship" link to muse.jhu.edu
Professor Yuval provides a very strong argument that the idea of an alleged "Jewish exile" in 70 CE (again by the Romans) seems to have come into Jewish thinking actually from European Christians (the term "irenic" refers to the study of different sects and religions from the a Christian point of view). Yuval says European Christians said "why are there Jews with us in Europe?" and the answer they came to is "well they must be people that the Romans 'exiled' and God allowed this to happen as a punishment for the Jews rejecting Christianity" etc etc. And then later again some Jewish thinkers, and even more recently Zionist ideologues, have picked up the mythology for their own reasons.
If one wants to go to genetics, debatable as all the various studies all are, Palestinians and various Jewish groups appear to be quite similar (especially on the male Y-chromosome side, the female mtDNA side of Jewish individuals appears to be more mixed and often local in origin i.e. in Europe, etc). Some basic links:
link to biology-direct.com
link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
link to pnas.org
link to jogg.info
link to arxiv.org
etc.
Ashkenazi Jews actually appear to be closest to Italians and French people (on the Italian part, geneticist Dr. Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin, Ph.D. argues that the data and historical evidence seems to indicate most modern Ashkenazi Jews appear to be descendants of Roman converts to the religion of Judaism). From a study published June 3, 2010 at GenomeWeb News:
"Ashkenazi Jews seem to be more genetically similar to non-Jewish populations in Northern Italy, France, and Sardinia. Meanwhile, Jewish populations in Iran and Iraq tended to cluster closer to non-Jewish Palestinian, Druze, and Bedouin populations than to Europeans."
One thing I would note in regards to this article is that Hamas knows that it still needs Iran and Iranian military support (that can come in via Sudan among other places) because there is no foreseeable military support coming to Hamas from either Qatar or Egypt (post-Mubarak Egypt just seems to be giving more direct political support to Gaza now). And Iran has other people they can, and reports say do already, arm in the besieged Gaza Strip such as the Al-Quds Brigades armed wing of Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ).
I like how Hezbollah that has defeated the Zionist regime in both 2000 and 2006 is supposedly a deer in this cartoon it seems!
link to atimes.com
And these fascist Zionists are the repugnant occupying criminals that are going to also then turn around and be the ones to lecture everyone about the history of Adolf Hitler and the Nazis (of course Norman Finkelstein has documented the reasons beyond this is in his book "The Holocaust Industry" in relations to the Zionist movement and its abuse of history). Of course no contradiction in these Zionist fascists wanting to commit genocide and then invoking the memory of the Nazis every other second! Of course also putting aside the documented reality of the historical relationship and alliance Zionists (in particular German Zionists) developed with Hitler and the Nazis themselves link to amazon.com
Literally these disgusting Zionists sound almost like what pro-Nazi Germans would say about a partisan resistance group or something!
With the lies of the Zionist controlled "mainstream" corporate media specifically in the Western print media right now and your comment in mind; I clearly remembered yet again Rick Sanchez revealing the truth back in 2008-2009 (during "cast lead") even on CNN! link to youtube.com
But of course Sanchez was then fired not too much later on, within one day of making a comment saying that Jewish people have disproportionate representation in American media and then from this general comment (debate it if you like) he made a clear statement that Jewish people in America are NOT a discriminated against minority like Hispanic Americans or African-Americans. And on what Sanchez said regarding media in general, the hypocrisy that led to Sanchez getting fired in a day is quite striking.
link to latimes.com
link to en.wikipedia.org
Palestinians are not "frightened" by the threats of criminals like Rosenfeld and his ilk, and the remarks of Rosenfeld are clearly those of a vicious cornered animal who realizes he has a tidal of humanity against him and his criminal associates even if his regime's operatives and fifth-columnists in America (AIPAC) have control of the mainstream media. Even the American people are breaking free and opposing Zionist crimes, aside from a minority of actual Zionist psychopaths and those they have groomed as "allies" among the loony "end times" Hagee-type cults.
And as for the quote "Today the Government's Ministry of Public Diplomacy and Diaspora Affairs announced that it was mustering '25,000 activists' globally to explain Israel’s version of events, presumably on social media." That is very telling that the Zionist colonizing, occupying, apartheid regime (which is of course based on fraud and lies to start with) has to resort to "mass organizing" its propaganda pawns who it clearly views as propaganda agents (otherwise known as Sayanim). Someone only has to do such pathetic actions when they have to lie (as Zionists always do) and thus have to rely on repeating those same Zionist lies over and over; rather than you know simply dealing in reality and the actual facts that the world can see plainly (and which is why the world supports Palestine).
This reminded me of a point Uri Avnery back in 2001; "World public opinion is always on the side of the underdog. In this fight, we are Goliath and they are David. In the eyes of the world, the Palestinians are fighting a war of liberation against a foreign occupation. We are in their territory, not they in ours. We settle on their land, not they on ours. We are the occupiers, they are the victims. This is the objective situation, and no minister of propaganda (like Mr. Nachman Shai) can change that."
The "command and control" always seems to be children (as you noted), along with schools and UN installations that even the Israelis later admit never had any mysterious fighters near it at all link to electronicintifada.net
Someone would certainly have to pay me to actually sit and listen to this fascist Avigdor Lieberman prattle on. And as I've posted before, all this fascism from Lieberman becomes quite humorous in the view of the inability of the Israeli apartheid system to even offer any form of a legitimate interpretation of HOW EXACTLY the modern day state of Israel is an alleged "Jewish state"?!! As activist Henry Lowi has so accurately noted before;
"Israel is not a 'Jewish state' in the sense that its laws are based on Halacha. They are not. It is not a 'Jewish state' in the sense that most Jewish people live there or plan to live there. They do not. It is a 'Jewish state' only in the sense that the Jewish ethnic group enjoys privileges that are denied other ethnic groups, and that within the Jewish ethnic group much misery is caused by there being a state monopoly to define 'who is a Jew'. ... The State of Israel is ethnic nationalism institutionalized and gone wild. With all the limitations of historical analogies, Israel is a 'Jewish state' in the sense that racist South Africa was a Boer state and in the sense that Nazi Germany was an Aryan state. In short, there is nothing 'Jewish' worth preserving in the 'Jewish state'."
And as for Lieberman's silly statements about "religion" being "tied to nationality"; this is only his and his fascist Zionist crews invention (as people like Professor Shlomo Sand and others have demonstrated clearly). Also I don't think many Orthodox Jews themselves (especially the religious anti-Zionist ones) would have any agreement with Lieberman on that topic link to jewsagainstzionism.com
As these Orthodox anti-Zionist Jews state clearly: "Throughout history, whoever joined the Jewish religion was called a Jew, no matter what his race, and whoever abandoned the Holy Torah was not considered a Jew"
(of course with "race" itself only being a social construct). It is clearly becoming all the more imperative for Jews who stand for human rights (like those on this site and in many Jewish human rights groups) to completely denounce fascists like Lieberman. As Lieberman and his gang are obviously attempting to take a Jewish culture that has often stood with the oppressed and stood for human rights; and falsely tie all Jews to the crimes and depravities of modern Zionism.
Isn't Hillel strongly affiliated with the "ADL"? I've even heard Hillel referred to as the student arm of the "ADL" in the past. If that is so, it is no surprise to see the censorship and pathetic tactics Hillel has resorted to, as the "ADL" is a disreputable organization based on smearing anyone they perceive as not kneeling in subservience to Israel; along with the "ADL"s demonstrated history of spying on Leftist groups in particular! Along with the "ADL"s soft spot for Islamophobia (while claiming to oppose all bigotry), such as when the "ADL" joined with open bigots who tried to work against the Mosque in Lower Manhattan (which even led to CNN's Fareed Zakaria to return an "ADL" award he had been given in the past).
Judaism is officially ONLY a religion, so your statement that "The overall concept of a Jewish state has nothing really to do with religion" really makes no sense. link to jewsagainstzionism.com (and of course "race" is an unscientific social construct to start with)
Some will claim "well Judaism is kind of like an 'ethnicity'" but it is simply not, kind of like how "Semitic" is only a branch of languages within the Afroasiatic language family and not a supposed "race" or ethnicity as well link to counterpunch.org
And in the case of the modern state of Israel it has been noted there has been much heated debate and no actual legitimately stated definition of "who is a Jew" (i.e. with Atheist "Jews", again with Judaism being a RELIGION, makes about as much sense as saying an "Atheist Muslim" or "Atheist Christian"); and of course there has never been an official Israeli nationality declared simply "Jew" or "non-Jew" with all the benefits going of course to the Jews which is how studies say many Israelis want it link to mondoweiss.net and link to 972mag.com
As academic Noel Ignatiev has noted in his article "Zionism, Anti-Semitism and the People of Palestine" that "If one part of the Zionist project is the expulsion of the indigenous population, the other part is expanding the so-called Jewish population. But here arises the problem, which has tormented Israeli legal officials for fifty years, what is a Jew? (For a century-and-a-half U.S. courts faced similar problems determining who is white.)". I could point especially to the case of many recent Russian "Jews" the Israeli authorities have brought in who didn't even fit their farcical interpretation of who was allegedly Jewish (but they needed these Russians for the "demographic warfare") and from this have come cases like the Russian neo-Nazis that were given Israeli citizenship.
And as Israeli Henry Lowi has so accurately put it; "Israel is not a 'Jewish state' in the sense that its laws are based on Halacha. They are not. It is not a 'Jewish state' in the sense that most Jewish people live there or plan to live there. They do not. It is a 'Jewish state' only in the sense that the Jewish ethnic group enjoys privileges that are denied other ethnic groups, and that within the Jewish ethnic group much misery is caused by there being a state monopoly to define 'who is a Jew'. ... The State of Israel is ethnic nationalism institutionalized and gone wild. With all the limitations of historical analogies, Israel is a 'Jewish state' in the sense that racist South Africa was a Boer state and in the sense that Nazi Germany was an Aryan state. In short, there is nothing 'Jewish' worth preserving in the 'Jewish state'."
And as for the link from Al-Jazeera, I posted it because it was of Hamas stating they would accept a Palestinian state on the 1948 borders, without recognizing Israel. And with the not recognizing Israel part, I added the clear statement of the vast bulk of Palestinians and Palestinian organizations that they will never recognize Israel as a "Jewish state" again chiefly for what that would mean for Palestinian refugees and for the status of discriminated against Palestinian Israelis. Also your attacks on Hamas and claims of "infidels" are quite tired (especially right after Jewish-American Noam Chomsky just visited Gaza to speak); I could throw the same barbs about Netanyahu, Lieberman, and the increasingly resurgent and powerful Kahanist movement in Israel and there view towards Palestinians and "goyim" in general. Also Jews lived in Palestine as a minority with the Palestinian Muslims and Christians for centuries it was only the hostility and colonizing aims of the modern Zionist movement that developed the problem so it has not been Palestinians who have supposedly been unable to live with Jews but rather Zionists who wanted to ethnically cleanse (Yosef Weitz and his "Transfer Committee", Plan Dalet, the work of historians like Ilan Pappe, etc) Palestinians that are the issue.
It should definitely be noted how in the recent past, Rick Sanchez on CNN demonstrated how it was the Israelis who broke the ceasefire with Hamas back in late 2008 link to youtube.com
Putting aside that Israel (backed by the US government) put in place an illegal, immoral and brutal siege upon the Palestinians of Gaza for daring to elect a group the US and Israel didn't like (the fact that the Israelis didn't like Hamas, was likely also the reason the Palestinian people voted for a group that was not corrupt like Fatah, would not collaborate with the enemy like Fatah, and would actually do something to defend the Palestinian people from Zionist aggression however meager those means of defense are). With this siege in place, anyone blaming Hamas for firing rockets (side note, it has been shown in many cases it is not even Hamas but rather smaller groups that are often rivals of Hamas in Gaza that carry out military actions around the Gaza-Israel border or sometimes fire rockets that are often not much bigger than bottle rockets to start with), again anyone blaming Hamas for firing something at Israel in this situation (i.e. the illegal siege on Gaza still in place) is missing the ORIGINAL injustice of the siege Israel continues to illegally impose on Gaza till this day link to ikhwanweb.com
And of course the US and Israel also tried to do a coup d'etat and overthrow the elected government in Gaza with collaborators from Fatah (in particular Mahmoud Abbas and Mohammad Dahlan) link to palestineremembered.com
That is also putting aside that a large bulk of the Palestinian population today living in Gaza happen to be refugees that Zionist forces ethnically cleansed from their homes; in particular in what is today parts of central and southern Israel. Including Palestinian refugees from cities like Isdud (Ashdod) and Asqalan (Ashkelon). link to lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com
Hamas itself has already hinted even it would accept a two-state solution on the pre-1967 borders link to aljazeera.com
Of course Hamas and all Palestinian groups have been very clear they will never recognize Israel as a "Jewish state" (whatever that whole "Jewish state" even means as the modern day state of Israel is not ruled by any form of Rabbinic Halakha so how is it supposedly a "Jewish state" to start with anyway??). This stance by the Palestinians is quite natural, as recognizing Israel as a "Jewish state" would not only likely see the Palestinians being forced to relinquish their refugees right of return to their homes (which is guaranteed under international law, UNGA Resolution 194, etc) but also locking in place a system of institutionalized discrimination against Palestinian Israelis (who make up close to 25% of the Israeli population today according to most estimates) if these Palestinian Israelis weren't just forcibly transferred to a Palestinian state in the two-state solution which some right-wing Zionist groups have stated they want to do (along with these same right wing Zionists' vision of the "two-state solution" being Palestinian Bantustans cut up and divided even further by illegal Israeli settlements these Likudniks have clearly stated they want kept in place for good. That is also if one doesn't even mention the even further extremist/fascist modern Zionist groups that still advocate "completing" the Nakba, etc).
It must be remembered that even corporate CNN and Rick Sanchez showed that it was the Israeli military that violated the ceasefire that then led to the Zionist crimes back during their "Cast Lead" blitzkrieg in 2008-2009 link to youtube.com
Also to start with it is the Israelis (and their US government backers) who still bare the responsibility for imposing their ongoing illegal and suffocating siege and blockade on the Gaza Strip. link to ikhwanweb.com
The Palestinians in the Gaza Strip (a large bulk of them being refugees from what is today's Israel) live in a cage with their entire lives controlled by the Zionists; it is not surprise that people subjected to this would try to resist in any manner possible. link to palestineremembered.com
I like the last little section saying "oh yeah some Evangelicals are rabidly pro-Israel as well". There should have been much more mentioning of this last "little" group; as unfortunately they are today a very powerful constituency in the world of right wing American Republican politics. That is the whole "dispensationalist"/rapturist "flock" of so-called "Christian Zionists" following bloated gasbags like John Hagee and company who believe that by supporting Israeli occupation and oppression of the Palestinians in particular and Arabs in the Middle East in general they are (for one fattening Hagee's wallet) and more generally speeding up the end of the world.
The fact that Sheldon Adelson is both personally vile and a dangerous force attempting to subvert and control the American political arena (just calculate his "gifts" to Romney) is plain for any thinking person to see.
As for Boteach nobody should be fooled by his pretend "friendly" exterior, he has been shown to be very close to holding the same extreme, racist, and entirely repugnant fascist doctrine that the illegal settlers themselves hold of the "goyim" in general and Palestinians in particular. And it is especially ridiculous to see Boteach trying to claim the illegal Jewish settlers in Al-Khalil are supposedly "spiritual seekers" when anyone who knows anything about them is fully aware that these illegal Jewish settlers in Al-Khalil (IN PARTICULAR) are among the most fanatic, racist, hateful, and openly fascist along with being of course armed and dangerous (with American M16s, etc in most cases). A large bulk of these illegal settlers also happen to be Americans in particular, and often come from the same backgrounds as say Baruch Goldstein came from; i.e. backgrounds that led to such disgusting displays as, after Goldstein's slaughter of 29 unarmed Palestinian worshipers, one of Goldstein's mentor "Rabbis" saying he felt "sorry" for the 29 murdered Palestinian civilians with the same level of sorrow he would feel for "29 dead flies". Just look up that disgusting, horrific quote.
But what else can one expect from people (illegal settlers) who often have OPENLY and EXPLICITLY genocidal ideologies such as claiming that the Palestinian Arabs are somehow supposedly the mysterious "Amalek" of the "Jewish Bible" who are to be "exterminated" (look up some of these fascist illegal settlers own "theology" on this topic), putting aside that the "Tanakh" itself (while providing zero backing whatsoever to the claim that the Palestinians are supposedly "Amalek") can't seem to get straight whether "Amalek" was already destroyed or not (i.e. the contradictions that flow from the apparent "failures" of 1 Samuel 15:1-3, and other contradicting Biblical verses, etc etc).
link to counterpunch.org
And as for Boteach's use of the phrase "judenrein" (while he of course was "celebrating" in a temporarily Palestinian-rein Al-Khalil), it reminded me very much of Norman Finkelstein's old work "The Holocaust Industry" and in this case you often do see right wing Zionist propagandists stating that removal of the illegal/racist Jewish-only settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories (see ALL international law, even official American governmental positions on the illegal settlements!) is supposedly trying to make the land "judenrein"; rather than just following international law and removing colonizing settlements that are AGAIN an open breach and violation of international law in the occupied Palestinian territories. You also see some of the same ridiculous and disgusting tactics used by Zionists trying to subvert the BDS movement, by trying to absurdly compare divesting from companies and boycotting products that support human rights abuses against Palestinians to the Nazis actions against Jewish stores in Germany in the 1930s. Again Norman Finkelstein's "The Holocaust Industry" comes to mind very quickly here.
What came immediately to my mind when seeing this article, was Noam Chomsky's quip (in his old work "Failed States: The Abuse of Power and the Assault on Democracy") in response to certain laughable hasbara agents who will still occasionally throw out the pathetic, false, uneducated, and ridiculous assertion that "there is already a Palestinian state; it's called Jordan". Chomsky stated in a humorous response to this ilk (using their own silly "analogy"), that there is already one "Jewish state" (putting aside that the modern state of Israel today is not actually based on any form of rabbinic law or something, so its claim to being the "Jewish state" largely comes down to fantastical claims via the Jewish Bible/Christian Old Testament and claims about supposed "descent") anyway Chomsky stated and I paraphrase "there is already one Jewish state, it's called Florida"!
The Iranian Jewish community has sent a strong rejection towards Zionist plots to get them to leave their homeland (in this case Iran); and as you noted the Iranian Jews have often been offered big monetary incentives to leave Iran but for the most part they have always rejected and freely chosen to stay in Iran. And Iranian Jews will tell you they are treated completely equal in Iran and are not discriminated against; as Iranian people have no problem with Jews only with Zionists who threaten their country over their peaceful nuclear energy program (that was started with US governmental help back during the Shah's reign, see Henry Kissinger's funny statements on this lol) while Israel continues to sit with estimates of over 200+ illegal nuclear warheads fully outside the control of the IAEA or the NPT Treaty.
Especially ironic in this case (aside from the fact that the anti-apartheid movement today should be focused on Palestinian rights) as both the US and Israel were of course strong backers of apartheid South Africa right up till the very end!
link to articles.chicagotribune.com
link to guardian.co.uk
What a travesty and waste of taxpayer money (on top of all the American taxpayer money the Israel-firsters in AIPAC and their associates already siphon off to the Israeli regime to continue their oppression of the occupied Palestinian people).
Another thing that came to my mind immediately is that while the FBI is spending so much time monitoring peaceful Palestinian solidarity activists, in actuality Zionist terrorism in the US is a far more real threat; as one of the most active domestic terrorist groups in the US (in terms of violent and deadly terrorist attacks) in recent American history has been the nutjobs and fascists of the so-called "Jewish Defense League" (the "JDL") who have carried out numerous horrific attacks on American soil. "JDL" terrorist attacks that have included murdering human rights activist Alex Odeh and the "JDL" has been caught targeting other individuals such as Mosques out in California (I believe it was) and even US Representative Darrell Issa. But yet again the FBI is focusing on peaceful Palestinian solidarity activists who are doing no more than raising the righteous call of justice and human rights for all, via acts of peaceful resistance like the call for BDS against Zionist apartheid, colonialism, and crimes. link to bdsmovement.net
What a RIDICULOUS and pathetic JOKE these Zionist hasbarists are openly and "proudly" (apparently) becoming in full public view! Suddenly Palestinian activism on the Berkeley campus according to them supposedly creates an alleged "echo of the 'Nazi regime'" WOW lol. I'm guessing these are the same ilk who claim Jimmy Carter, Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu, Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, Barack Obama (lol), etc etc etc etc are supposedly "anti-Jewish" blah blah blah blah. Nobody, who is not simply a fascist so-called "JDL" nutjob and hatemonger, could ever take these Zionist propagandist clowns seriously for even a millisecond!
That Boston born fascist Marzel's ending statement is actually ironically fairly humorous this time: "everything is racism". Yes Marzel EVERYTHING about your sick, disgusting, and fascist ideology is RACIST and hateful.
This hasbara "purchasing" claim comes via shady actions and "deals" that evolved out of the Ottoman Empire's 1858 Land Code in Palestine; that occurred during the Ottoman's Tanzimat (reform period); Ilan Pappe mentions this quickly from 17:10 to 18:26 in this video link to youtube.com
The Palestinian Arabs (particularly Muslim men, often heads of households etc) did not want to register their land (that they had simply been living on and farming in peace largely with no care for Ottoman papers etc for hundreds of years at least) with the Ottoman bureaucracy for several key reasons. Registering land would have made them have to pay registration fees and heavy taxes to the Ottoman Empire and be put on the military draft list to be conscripted into the Ottoman army (that is if they were Muslim men in particular, it was only after the Young Turk Revolution in 1908 that non-Muslim male subjects of the Ottoman Empire could also be conscripted into the Ottoman military) this was the point of the Ottoman Land Code of 1858 from the Ottoman government perspective in Istanbul during the Tanzimat (reform period): that was to increase tax revenue and reveal more Muslim men available for conscription into the Ottoman military. Obviously Palestinian men (i.e. heads of households) wanted to avoid this (particularly since the Ottomans had been by this point in a centuries long period of largely disastrous wars in and around Eastern Europe and the Caucasus against the Czarist Russian Empire) and wanted to avoid the taxes, registration fees, and any chance of having to leave their farms and families to go fight in an increasingly unpopular Ottoman army. And this all was again amplified even more by the growing general anti-Ottoman sentiment among the Arabs in Palestine in particular in this period as it was only 24 years earlier that the Ottomans (via their Egypt Eyalet affiliates) had to put down a revolt in Palestine link to en.wikipedia.org
It was this 1834 revolt in particular that Israeli academic Baruch Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal cite as one of the main foundational periods in the development of modern Palestinian Arab nationalism (putting aside nationalism as a largely modern phenomenon that many historians say germinated in Europe, and particularly with German philosopher Johann Gottfried Herder in the 1770s CE)
So to conclude it was from these absentee landlords, under the conditions put in place by the Ottoman's 1858 Land Code, that (as Ilan Pappe notes) the Zionist organizations were able to "purchase" (in the end) less than 7 percent of the land of Palestine (I saw the number 6.6% to be exact)
Some links to see on this issue:
Simple link: link to en.wikipedia.org
By Stephen Halbrook from George Mason University
link to mises.org
And a quote from historian Dilip Hiro (from Virginia Tech University);
"it is estimated that by the end of the Mandate not more than 6 to 7 percent of the total area of Palestine was sold voluntarily to the agency (Jewish Agency for Israel), and more important, the sale was not initiated by Palestinian peasantry; rather it was primarily absentee landlords and local landowners, in addition to foreign interests, who co-operated with the settlers."
From the book "The Essential Middle East" by Dilip Hiro link to amazon.com
Any America citizen who is not appalled by the Israeli-firsters at the "Saban center" (of course named after Mr., "I wake up every morning thinking how I can serve Israel", Haim Saban) is nothing but a zombie following AIPAC's dictates (in this case to lead America into another Iraq war).
What exactly does the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" supposedly have to do with anything? That dubious thing you randomly bring up is certainly not something serious analysts and opponents of Zionist ideology ever appeal to. We have actual sources to go to like say the work of the Israeli new historians documenting that almost every single one of the most common Zionist claims and myths, which Zionists did and some hasbarists still sometimes do spout, turn out in almost every single case to be false and expose what liars Zionists are.
link to palestineremembered.com
Good article Mr. Weiss, this "definition" is clearly absurd and used to silence criticism of Israeli actions and associated Zionist ideology itself.
My personal analysis:
1) Jewish people live in various nations around the world, and the Zionist movement's attempts to claim that they allegedly "speak for Jews" is both unjust and simply incorrect (as anyone who has researched the Zionist movement and its' history in-depth realizes). Also the fundamental question that is too be asked in this case (and is never provided with a proper answer by the Zionists or their hasbara propaganda agents) is HOW exactly is Israel a "Jewish state"??!
Israel is not ruled by any form of Rabbinic Halakha which would be the only logical definition to define something as a "Jewish state" (i.e. like having an Islamic state would be based on Islamic religious law aka Shari'ah, or a state defining itself as a Christian state would be based on some form of Christian canon law, etc). But the only aspect of Jewish "religious law" the current Israeli system uses is very small token gestures (other than just trying to occasionally use the Bible as a propaganda document for their "case" with some of the nutty right wing Evangelical "Christian Zionist" groups today) such as shutting down some public transit on the Sabbath, etc. The main "religious" element of the Israeli legal system is not allowing civil marriages; and that is simply for RACIST reasons of not wanting Jews to marry non-Jews (I recommend looking back at say Joachim Prinz's work "Wir Juden" in 1934 to see a dangerous trend in that arena). Also Israel having an apartheid "legal system" makes it a racist state whatever these Zionists wanting to try to shutdown debate try to claim.
2) This seems to be simply a slightly different phrasing of/twist on the old "what about (insert blank country, group, etc here)" hasbara tactic link to mondoweiss.net
And that little claim of the Zionist hasbarists that Israel is allegedly being "abused" or something and being demanded to "follow behavior not demanded 'of any other democratic nation'" is especially "interesting" shall we say. First one can simply see the occupied Palestinian territories, where Palestinians are neither allowed self-determination to form their own state or any voting rights in Israel or Israeli citizenship itself even though the Israeli government now even tries to claim that the occupied Palestinian territories supposedly aren't occupied (and likely soon that the earth is flat as well as Adam Horowitz quipped) link to mondoweiss.net
Even going outside the occupied territories, serious investigators and researchers have long spoken about the institutionalized and systematic discrimination at every level against non-Jews within the state of Israel itself. All one needs to do on this is consult various Israeli human rights groups. And historian Ilan Pappe makes a concise response to the claims that Israel is supposedly a democracy in this interview link to youtube.com (see starting at 13:00 specifically) making an observation of Israel's similarities to old herrenvolk "democracy" and how while even "allowing" Arab Israelis to vote (even this is often curtailed and only whimsically "allowed") is still meaningless when Arab Israelis are discriminated against and disenfranchised at every single level of Israeli society (i.e. like their schools receiving only a fraction of the funding that schools serving Israeli Jews receive, etc) link to adalah.org
And to quote Noel Ignatiev's work: link to counterpunch.org
"Unlike many countries, including the United States, the Israeli state does not belong, even in principle, to those who reside within its borders, but is defined as the state of the Jewish people, wherever they may be. That peculiar definition is one reason why the state has to this day failed to produce a written constitution, define its borders, or even declare the existence of an Israeli nationality. Moreover, in this 'outpost of democracy,' no party that opposes the existence of the Jewish state is permitted to take part in elections. It is as if the United States were to declare itself a Christian state, define 'Christian' not by religious belief but by descent, and then pass a 'gag law' prohibiting public discussion of the issue."
3) "Comparing Israeli policies to Nazi policies", as they say "if the shoe fits". One can also note the striking similarity between the Nazis' own racial law and how the Nazis determined who was "Jewish" in their racial law; and modern Israeli law (i.e. the "right of return" in particular). And if one does analyze them they will see they are almost, if not, identical. Showing that the Zionist movement and the Nazis share a common idea on what makes someone "Jewish" (again I'd recommend seeing Joachim Prinz's 1934 book "Wir Juden" to get an idea of where Zionist "discourse" has often gone, along with its early open racist eugenicist members like Max Nordau, etc etc)
4) What are these supposed "symbols"??
The Zionists have reached more and more publicly absurd levels. This is also very evident by the people who come to their "aid" now; Glenn Beck, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, and a whole list of other famous wackjobs!
Wow this woman is beyond idiotic! Just my quick summary:
1) Of course a "necessary mention" of Reverend Jeremiah Wright??? They do realize Jeremiah Wright has no line of communication to the corporate, military industrial complex, Zionist lobby shill that Obama is today, right?! But I guess just showing Jeremiah Wright saying "God damn America", is enough to "frighten" the right wingers!
2) Professor Rashid Khalidi is a highly respected academic and historian, and Pletka throwing a cheap attempted "insult" at him (for daring to not be, I guess, "in love with the 'idea of Israel'" as some right wingers are saying Obama supposedly isn't! i.e. "in love with" apartheid, colonization, racism, a bigoted mini-theocracy teaching "goyim" are unhuman according to Ovadia Yosef, etc etc etc). But I'm assuming Pletka also throws this same attempted attack at a whole wide array of academics, among them Jews and Israelis such as Ilan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein, Avi Shlaim, and basically all the new historians.
3) How exactly is Obama being "stronger" against illegal Zionist settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories then the Palestinians themselves???!! The Obama administration VETOED the most recent UN Security Council attempt to once again reiterated that the Zionist settlements on illegally occupied Palestinian land are once again (as always) against international law. But yet from this Peltka states the Obama regime is supposedly "vigorously opposing the settlements"!! This is roughly the equivalent of the people who seriously try to claim Obama's regime is out to "destroy Israel" even as he (Obama) gets up and "happily" declares all the increasing in US military "aid" to the Zionists link to wrmea.org
4) Obama's comments with Sarkozy are just evidence that many Western leaders are getting tired of having a foreign entity dictate their nation's policies via unregistered agents of a foreign power (i.e. AIPAC in America, and the Zionist lobbies around Europe). Especially when that foreign power dictates things harmful to Western and American geopolitical interests themselves link to youtube.com
5) See the video I posted immediately above in the end of #4! The US derives NO "benefit" of any kind whatsoever from the Zionist entity. Which makes it one of the most ridiculous cases of a ridiculous ONE-SIDED "relationship" where Israel takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, etc ad nauseum and America is used by Israel (to quote Jim Traficant) as a "cheap whore". If one wanted to discuss actual US geopolitical "interests" (imperialists as they likely are) they are FAR better served in this one region (in the Middle East) by three nations that are already US allies: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey (others like Kuwait, the UAE, etc could also be listed). As for the main three I brought up; Saudi Arabia and Qatar both have OIL and gas, and a history of housing US military bases in the region (that remain openly right outside Doha, Qatar till this day) and Turkey is a Muslim majority NATO member with US and NATO air bases located on Turkish soil itself as well. That may likely explain why the Zionists freaked out so much after the Israeli massacring of the Mavi Marmara Gaza Freedom Flotilla as they knew how important Turkey was to Israel and that Turkey was (and is) so important to the US and Obama (at this current time). Heck, if the US government ditched the AIPAC lobby (that they serve) they could even broker a rapprochement in Iranian-US relations; that independent sources say Iran had been trying to do for years, while the neocons ignored and tried to push for war (and we know who the neocons serve, AIPAC cough cough!).
6) As for Obama's administration MAYBE "pouring" some VERY LIMITED "cold water" on the AIPAC and neocon push for an illegal US attack against Iran; this is one small positive sign coming out of the Obama administration on foreign policy issues. And even that has been again very limited, and basically just amounts to because Obama is not following the AIPAC script 100% to the letter, he is attacked by the Zionist propagandists ("Israeli-firsters" cough cough!) that "roam" around US politics as supposedly having "abandoned Israel" blah blah blah (of course again as Obama does nothing but up aid for the insane Zionist regime). Another good point to mention is that a large amount of Americans have woken up and are saying "NO MORE wars for Israel".
Since many Zionists made a big deal out of Mahmoud Abbas having written a doctoral thesis on collaboration between the Zionist movement and the Nazis in the 1930s and 1940s. Maybe Dershowitz can show Mahmoud some of his "Zionist academic skills" (that Norman Finkelstein showed so clearly) such as Dershowitz quoting high school syllabi and http://www.sonypictures.com as a supposed "source".
I think Abbas could do far better of course! link to counterpunch.org
Of course the long list of people who are "out to get the Jews" continues to expand and expand (in the Zionist's looniverse) that list of course already includes all anti-Zionist Jews (Norman Finkelstein, Tim Wise, Ilan Pappe, and I could go on quoting a long list of names if I wanted), Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela, Jimmy Carter, Walt and Mearsheimer, and tons more people who clearly have an open and vivid "hatred" of Jews!! I mean it could only be that, or that Zionist propagandists are absolutely insane, lying, douchey retards!
And then as for this Aaron Mann individual he definitely appears to be a poster child of whining hasbara spreading veterans that are appalled by what they encounter on campuses: i.e. like the facts, reality itself, and of course a legitimate professional historical account of the modern conflict in Palestine and its modern reality as well, etc. etc. The main body of his statement is a typical repeat of very old Zionist propaganda talking points. They include:
That the maintenance (by US taxpayer dollars, AIPAC lobbying, US vetoes, and US military aid) of the current Israeli apartheid state somehow forms an "existential issue" for him as an AMERICAN!! All I have to say to that BS of Mr. Mann is not only that it is a humorous pathetic propaganda claim on his part, but also that he pretty much just openly declared he carries a possible disloyalty to the United States of America within him! Because in order for him to allegedly feel "secure" apparently the US taxpayers need to keep propping up a foreign apartheid regime thousands of miles away from America (can anyway say "Israel-firster"!). Basically this claim of Mann and his ilk will usually get into claiming that the modern Zionist entity is supposedly "needed" by even AMERICAN Jews because of a mythical supposed "ominous threat" that Jews in America allegedly face!! This is roughly the equivalent of that turd Glenn Beck's ravings on Fox News during the Egyptian Revolution that the events in Egypt made him realize that Americans supposedly had to start asking themselves an alleged "important question" (regarding American Jews apparently) that "I'm I ready to hide a Jew in my attic?". So basically Jews in America (who face practically NO issues of any kind as far as any form discrimination or mistreatment of any type whatsoever), a group that is disproportionately well-represented in almost all facets of American society, could of course at any moment supposedly be thrown into a concentration camp (by Mann and his associates "logic"). And the only way for them to ever really feel "secure" fully is to know that they can always run off to Israel if they need to apparently.... If some mythical attack on Jews were to supposedly occur (as Mann and company try to imply), I have a little newsflash for them: if America itself had become "unsafe" for Jews; Israel itself would not be "safe" either as due to its very limited size it could be militarily destroyed by any professional military (in this hypothetical US "Fourth Reich" scenario of Mann and the hasbarists) quite quickly. In fact, isn't this what the Zionists claim people like Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah of Hezbollah have allegedly claimed (in fake "quotes") that supposedly (and I paraphrase that Zionist meme on this fake quote) "it is good that the Jews are congregating in Palestine, it will save us the trouble of chasing them around the world". But yet being congregated in one small chunk of land doesn't even come into the mind of Mann and his propaganda colleagues who give clear hints that they believe even America is not supposedly not "safe" for Jews, because again America according to them of course as a "frightening level" of supposed "Jew-hatred" in it that is doing nothing but "rising"!!
And then Mann quickly throws in the apparently required reference to the "Jewish state". Which is always a unique thing to hear, as anyone who has any scientific or informed academic thinking capabilities then simply asks one simple question: "how is Israel a 'Jewish state'?". I think an anti-Zionist Israeli Jew himself gives some good points on this issue: link to palestineremembered.com
Quote- Israel is not a "Jewish state" in the sense that its laws are based on Halacha. They are not. It is not a "Jewish state" in the sense that most Jewish people live there or plan to live there. They do not. It is a "Jewish state" only in the sense that the Jewish ethnic group enjoys privileges that are denied other ethnic groups, and that within the Jewish ethnic group much misery is caused by there being a state monopoly to define "who is a Jew".
Promotion of the Hebrew language (and Yiddish, and Ladino) does not require an ethnically-defined state. Preservation of the lives of Jewish people facing the risk of persecution does not require an ethnically-defined state. Study of the Torah and the Talmud do not require an ethnically-defined state. Permitting the ages-old Jewish genius to flourish in the fields of science, medicine, art, and any other field does not require an ethnically-defined state.
The State of Israel is ethnic nationalism institutionalized and gone wild. With all the limitations of historical analogies, Israel is a "Jewish state" in the sense that racist South Africa was a Boer state and in the sense that Nazi Germany was an Aryan state. In short, there is nothing "Jewish" worth preserving in the "Jewish state".
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And then to conclude Mann throws in a claim that the current 64 years of the Zionist regime's apartheid system being in place in Palestine is supposedly to be viewed as "seemingly a miracle" (I guess the Crusader's "Kingdom of Jerusalem" rule of Jerusalem that lasted for 88 years was even more of a "miracle" in Mann's eyes!). I am not sure if Mann is a religious or secular individual, but this silly claim that the modern Israeli state is somehow a supposed "miracle" is most often heard by demented right wing Evangelical Christians (putting aside that they believe Jews will all go to hell in the end of course so how supporting Zionist Jews, including Zionist Jews who oppress Palestinian Christian themselves, is supposedly a "religious act" for them in their rapture-filled "theology" is quite "interesting"). Reality check on a historical topic like the wars between Arab forces and the Zionists: link to palestineremembered.com
Basically this "miracle" claim comes from not viewing any actual academic/historical information on the historical topic at hand (like how the Zionist's military forces' always had superior troop levels, superior military equipment, foreign Western backers, were going up against ineffective often divided/corrupt/working against one another from start Arab regimes, etc etc etc) and engaging in a ridiculous claim like Mann and companies' here of stating that a self-fulfilled "prophecy" is supposedly a "miracle" is a clear-cut old instance of the waiter bringing me the food that I ordered being described as the waiter allegedly "fulfilling prophecy" and engaging in "miracles"!
This move by the US government will be widely denounced by ALL Iranians, whatever they think about the current Iranian government. I can't think of any sizable group of Iranians who have any "like" for the MEK! Heck, even the old Shah supporters (that are still to be found in Los Angeles, "Shah's of Sunset" anyone lol) do not have any real like for the MEK (aside from maybe just supporting any group that does anything against the current Iranian government) as the MEK fought against the Shah's regime itself (and thus old Shah supporters say groups like the MEK are partially responsible for the 1979 Iranian Revolution that these Shah supporters obviously detested/detest)! And also all Iranians know that the MEK sided with Saddam (against their own country) in the bloody Iran-Iraq of 1980-1988 here's a picture of Saddam greeting MEK leader Massoud Rajavi in Baghdad link to 4.bp.blogspot.com i.e. again I can't think of ANY sizable group of Iranians period that support this group in any manner whatsoever.
The only group that "likes" (i.e. benefits) from the MEK today are American officials and Likudniks that want an exile proxy group to use against Tehran now.
Dershowitz and companies "support" of a two-state solution (of course they likely mean an Israeli controlled two-state solution i.e. one that is not in line with international law that calls for any end of the 1967 occupation and a Zionist driven "solution" where illegal Israeli settlements especially around Jerusalem will be allowed to remain in some fantastical "land swap" in the Negev. i.e. rather than just the straight forward clear international legal consensus of a total Israeli occupation withdrawal to the 1948 borders entirely) comes quite ironically because they know (and serious Israeli thinkers know as well) that without a two-state solution (barring another Nakba, that hopefully would not be possible both because of Palestinian resistance and defiance and hopefully because today's international community wouldn't allow something like that to occur now, again that is a HOPE) Palestinians will likely be the solid majority from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea (not even getting into the Palestinian refugee population outside Palestine/Israel, that obviously swings the demographics even more in favor of the Palestinians) and to the Zionists this means the "end of Israel" because it will no longer be a "Jewish state".
Putting aside that the whole idea of a "Jewish state" in the case of modern day Israel is quite an intriguing contradiction of trying to define "who is a Jew?"; as others have noted quite similar to old "special" American issues, in the Jim Crow South in particular over "who was white?" link to counterpunch.org
This interesting contradiction in dogma is especially the case since Israel is not ruled by any form of rabbinic halakha and doesn't even seriously try to claim to be ruling by "Torah law"; other than the outlawing of civil marriages and some token gestures such as shutting down some public transportation during the sabbath which according to the Jewish Bible is a capital offense if one is caught violating the sabbath, whereas the modern Israeli state basing heavily on European laws doesn't have the death penalty at all. With the death penalty being something CLEARLY called for in the Jewish Bible for a WIDE range of things! link to rationalwiki.org
That has led, as some have noted, a famous humorous quip by many secular Israelis (playing with Zionist dogma itself) that "God doesn't exist, and he gave us this land!". So basically one is left with a interpretation of who is a "Jew" based on supposed "descent", when Jews like all people are completely diverse and of all various different kinds of mixed backgrounds (i.e. as all humans are!) so it would be a little like someone claiming to have an Islamic state not ruled by some interpretation of Sharīʿah law but rather by supposed "Islamic descent".
While Shahak is a valid source on the religion of Judaism, one can just as easily see English translations of the most "important" Jewish "rabbinical sources" if they wish
link to come-and-hear.com
link to en.wikipedia.org
I'm sure "memri" backs "progressives" like Shas heavyweight Ovadia Yosef (a kingmaker among the Likud) and his "lovely" talk that the "goyim" were only created for the purpose of "serving Israel" and that the ONLY reason "gentiles" exist at all is this "service to Jews" so "Jews" like Yosef can "sit like an effendi and eat"! Yet of course no media in the West even bothered to pick up this ridiculous display of blatant racism by what is claimed to be America's (a "gentile"/"goyim" majority nation of course) supposed "main ally" (which only nutjob "Christian Zionists" like John Hagee and Pat Robertson, and people drinking the AIPAC kool-aid even pretend to believe!), and "memri" of course was too busy trying to pick up some random clip (among the hours upon hours of TV they must go through with absolutely nothing to "show" for it) to tear out of context, mistranslate, or generally misuse for their nefarious agenda.
Keep your nonsense and propaganda to yourself link to antiwar.com
Your "slandering" those "peaceful" rebels being backed by the US, Zionists, NATO, Europe, and the Gulf monarchies; they are of course only interested in "freedom" not on simply being proxies of foreign powers that want the current regime in Damascus gone (specifically as a prelude to an illegal aggressive action against Iran, i.e. their own Western media saying "the road to Tehran goes through Damascus")!
Some good links to keep up with for reality on the situation in Syria that you mentioned.
link to landdestroyer.blogspot.com
link to globalresearch.ca
In addition to RT and Press TV like you mentioned Bilal.
Of course the rosy image of the "rebels" that the Western mainstream media (and Qatari monarchy owned Al-Jazeera) is now spinning is in stark contrast to the al-Qaeda affiliated rebels caught on video trying to use unwitting hostages as human bombs against the Syrian military, rebels videotaping themselves throwing civilian government employees off of roofs, and all other manner of actions.
Putting aside that most of the claims made against the Syrian government have been highly questionable if not refuted by even independent Western sources link to wsws.org note much the same thing also happened in Libya last year link to indymedia.org.uk that led to the NATO destruction of that nation (Green Libya) which, putting aside the real wrongdoings Gaddafi and company certainly did do, destroyed a country had been the country with the highest living standards on the African continent (often nicknamed the Switzerland of Africa).
@Colin Wright
You are completely correct. The former Polish President who died in an airplane crash in Russia back on April 10, 2010 was named Lech Kaczynski link to en.wikipedia.org
And Lech Kaczynski certainly did/does look a lot like Benjamin Mileikowsky (who's father Benzion Mileikowsky, who was also an avid "Revisionist Zionist" affiliated with Vladimir Jabotinsky and that whole openly Zionist fascist pro-Benito Mussolini Zionist trend in the 1930s that writer and historian Lenni Brenner of "Zionism in the Age of the Dictators" and "51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis" fame discusses in depth, later changed the family surname from the very Polish Mileikowsky to Netanyahu).
Again Lech Kaczynski of Poland link to upload.wikimedia.org
I find it very telling that many of the right wing Zionists are more and more openly aligning themselves with a whole nutty crew of wackjobs! Putting Pamela Geller aside here, Zionist propaganda now seems to be openly incorporating idiots like Glenn Beck, John Hagee, Pat Robertson, etc. It is very telling that these are the kind of people "rallying" to the Zionist "cause" today!
Ayaan Hiris Magan is an idiot, liar, and fraud the fact that this propagandist RAG called "newsweek" (always there to service US imperialism) is giving her yet another platform to spew more of her nonsense is ridiculous and they should be censured for her hate speech (on top of "newsweek" then adding a picture of some men demonstrating in anger, i.e. an attempt to create a barrier in the mind of the Western reader, living in a comfort that comes at the price of poverty in the "Third World", of the common humanity shared by all which is key in promoting more Western imperialist policies against Muslim countries, and simply any country that does not bow before US hegemonic dictates, in particular link to loonwatch.com
Dutch television documentary program Zembla link to en.wikipedia.org already completely discredited that LYING hack Hirsi Magan (her real name) which is what caused her to have to leave the Netherlands lol because she had lied on her "immigration paperwork". Zembla showed that Hirsi Magan had lied in just about every claim she had made about herself! She was not even in Somalia at any point during the civil war there (a good read on the situation of Somalia over the last few decades and the secret imperialist history the Western mainstream media leaves out all the time link to globalresearch.ca because Hirsi Magan comes from a wealthy, upper class family that had relocated to a gated villa in a wealthy suburb of the Kenyan capital Nairobi by that point. And her other main claim about a supposed "forced marriage" also was shown to be bunk by Zembla, and it was this main lie in particular that caused her to have to leave the Netherlands (and "relocate" to the US with the help of certain powerful right wing Islamophobes in the US and their mostly neocon organizations).
link to youtube.com (Part 1 of 4, from the Netherland's Zembla exposing Ayaan Hiris Magan back in 2006)
And to conclude Ayaan Hirsi Magan is especially disgusting as she has very regularly served as an Uncle Tom stooge trying to block immigration of people from the "Third World" to various Western countries; while at the same time herself having ILLEGALLY been in the Netherlands!! i.e. the height of hypocrisy and being a complete TOOL of xenophobes and neo-fascists in Europe in particular (before she again was forced to leave the Netherlands for America).
As other posters here have already noted Judaism certainly was a proselytizing religion in the past (and people still do convert to the religion of Judaism today as well) and also there was and is a wide variety of different schools of thought within Judaism as well (beyond even Orthodox, Conservative and Reform with things such as Kabbalah, the Karaites and the Samaritans. Note for example with Samaritans studies have shown the vast bulk of Palestinian Muslims of the West Bank city of Nablus, Palestine descend mostly from Samaritans who converted to the religion of Islam after the 7th century CE see Palestinian surnames like Muslimani, Shakshir, and Yaish for example in Nablus).
As was already mentioned Professor Shlomo Sand goes into this in-depth in his best-selling, award winning book "The Invention of the Jewish People", showing all the various different groups and peoples that had historically adopted the religion of Judaism. And regarding people considered Jewish (whether one wants to say religiously or "culturally") some important studies to look up showing that they are (as all people are) completely mixed and containing all kinds of different various backgrounds (European, Caucasus, Mediterranean, etc etc)
For example:
pnas.org (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences) Bray et al. 2010 "Signatures of founder effects, admixture, and selection in the Ashkenazi Jewish population"
Study by geneticist Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin (of Flinders University and Tel Aviv University aka where the ethnically cleansed Palestinian village of Shaykh Al Muwannis once stood) "The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms" (available at online scholarly websites like ncbi.gov, biology-online.com, etc)
"Results
According to the autosomal polymorphisms the investigated Jewish populations do not share a common origin, and EEJ are closer to Italians in particular and to Europeans in general than to the other Jewish populations. The similarity of EEJ to Italians and Europeans is also supported by the X chromosomal haplogroups. In contrast according to the Y-chromosomal haplogroups EEJ are closest to the non-Jewish populations of the Eastern Mediterranean. MtDNA shows a mixed pattern, but overall EEJ are more distant from most populations and hold a marginal rather than a central position. The autosomal genetic distance matrix has a very high correlation (0.789) with geography, whereas the X-chromosomal, Y-chromosomal and mtDNA matrices have a lower correlation (0.540, 0.395 and 0.641 respectively).
Conclusions
The close genetic resemblance to Italians accords with the historical presumption that Ashkenazi Jews started their migrations across Europe in Italy and with historical evidence that conversion to Judaism was common in ancient Rome. The reasons for the discrepancy between the biparental markers and the uniparental markers are discussed.
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EEJ (Eastern European Jews) are the largest and most investigated Jewish community, yet their history as Franco-German Jewry is known to us only since their appearance in the 9th century, and their subsequent migration a few hundred years later to Eastern Europe [4,5]. Where did these Jews come from? It seems that they came to Germany and France from Italy [5-8]. It is also possible that some Jews migrated northward from the Italian colonies on the northern shore of the Black Sea [9]. All these Jews are likely the descendents of proselytes. Conversion to Judaism was common in Rome in the first centuries BC and AD. Judaism gained many followers among all ranks of Roman Society [10-13].
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Also see the summaries and compilation of many various different genetic studies at the website khazaria.com, and most recently the study "The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses" (published on August 6, 2012) by geneticist Eran Elhaik, PhD of Johns Hopkins University (supporting the Khazarian Hypothesis), this article is available on the scholarly articles website arxiv.org owned by the Cornell University Library.
So again one should view these various genetic studies, showing Jewish people (like all people) are completely diverse and made up of all kinds of people with different genetic backgrounds. With this point academic Robert Pollack noted for example that "there are no DNA sequences common to all Jews and absent from all non-Jews. There is nothing in the human genome that makes or diagnoses a person as a Jew."
And as for the idea of the "Jewish exile" there is no evidence for it either in any sizable portion in the old "Biblical" Babylonian and Assyrian case (that the Bible, which is not history, claims. For real history see academics today engaged in what is termed Syro-Palestinian aka Levantine archaeology in the walls of academia) or even in the case after the Romans reasserted complete control in Palestine and Jerusalem in 70 CE. The Romans did not "exile" people and the idea of an "exile" in certain Jewish religious mythology was shown by Professor Sand (citing other historians and academics) to most assuredly be from Jews in Europe hearing European Christian missionaries telling them (in Medieval times) that they have been "exiled" from Palestine for their "ancestors" supposedly having been the original rejectors of the Christian "Gospel". Professor Sand notes; link to thepeoplesvoice.org
Quote- “I started looking in research studies about the exile from the land” says Sand in an Haaretz intervie",(11) “but to my astonishment I discovered that it has no literature. The reason is that no one exiled the people of the country. The Romans did not exile peoples and they could not have done so even if they had wanted to. They did not have trains and trucks to deport entire populations. That kind of logistics did not exist until the 20th century. From this, in effect, the whole book was born: in the realization that Judaic society was not dispersed and was not exiled.”
Indeed, in the light of Sand’s simple insight, the idea of Jewish exile is amusing. The thought of Roman Imperial navy was working 24/7 schlepping Moishe’le and Yanka’le to Cordova and Toledo may help Jews to feel important as well as schleppable, but common sense would suggest that the Roman armada had far more important things to do.
However, far more interesting is the logical outcome: If the people of Israel were not expelled, then the real descendants of the inhabitants of the Kingdom of Judah must be the Palestinians.
“No population remains pure over a period of thousands of years” says Sand.(12) “But the chances that the Palestinians are descendants of the ancient Judaic people are much greater than the chances that you or I are its descendents. The first Zionists, up until the Arab Revolt [1936-9], knew that there had been no exiling, and that the Palestinians were descended from the inhabitants of the land. They knew that farmers don’t leave until they are expelled. Even Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, the second president of the State of Israel, wrote in 1929 that, ‘the vast majority of the peasant farmers do not have their origins in the Arab conquerors, but rather, before then, in the Jewish farmers who were numerous and a majority in the building of the land.’”
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And even a Zionist writer noted the following on the myth of the so-called "exile" in 70 CE that it is claimed the Romans carried out.
link to opednews.com
Quote- Jeremiah Haber, an orthodox Zionist and a professor Jewish studies, writing under the nom de plume Jeremiah (Jerry) Haber, was critical of columnists like Charles Krauthammer and Leonard Fein. In the July 29, 2007 issue of the Magnes Zionist, Jeremiah admonished the two columnists for accepting "the myth that the Jews were forcibly expelled from the Land of Israel, and taken into captivity by the Romans."
Jeremiah went on to emphasize: "To this day, most lay people, Jews and non-Jews, accept the myth of the exile, whereas no historian, Jew or non-Jew, takes it seriously." And to further detox the seemingly blind addiction to this myth, he presented two assertions: : "The first point to make is that well before the revolt against Rome in 66-70 c.e., there were Jewish communities outside Palestine, most notably in Babylonia and in Egypt, but elsewhere as well. References to the dispersal of the Jewish people throughout the civilized world are found in the book of Esther, Josephus, and Philo. There is no indication that these communities were small, satellite communities.
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"Obama isn't in love with the idea of Israel", although the neocons and AIPAC propagandists regularly claim this then why has Obama prostrated himself before AIPAC, had his people change "DNC" platforms at the last minute against popular will to pronounce statements clearly in direct violation of established international law (United Nations Security Council Resolution 478, for example), and done nothing but INCREASE US taxpayers' military "aid" to the Zionists and particularly today's fascist Likud steady increase in illegal settlements, apartheid, and generalized racism and calls for another Nakba. Yet after all of this Obama is according to them "against Israel" blah blah blah. I guess it just comes down to that he and his administration MAY be putting up SOME "resistance" to launching another illegal, immoral war (this time against the nation of Iran, which has not attacked another country in all of modern history) for the sake of Israel and the Israel-firsters oh I mean "concerned 'citizens of America' who support Israel" (and I do use the term "American citizen" lightly for this AIPAC, Likudnik ilk inside the US).
And as for being "in love with the idea of Israel", what exactly is that "idea"?! Because anyone who knows history and is attached to reality can see that this "idea" is a racial supremacist state with an open brand of apartheid so clear that even Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela have called it "beyond apartheid". And is this "idea" also the mythology that "Jews" are "returning" to their "ancient homeland" of 2,000 years ago (I have a bridge to sell you if you buy this, as people considered Jewish are just as mixed with all kinds of different people as your average "Gentile", and the Palestinians themselves have been shown to be indigenous to the land of Palestine even by Israeli academics, researchers, etc. And as academic Robert Pollack has stated on the "fallacy of biological Judaism" that "there are no DNA sequences common to all Jews and absent from all non-Jews. There is nothing in the human genome that makes or diagnoses a person as a Jew."). While putting aside that individuals even trying to use said "Biblical" mythology also discounts that even the Bible (that many Zionist propagandists try to base themselves on to some extent) says the Canaanites, Jebusites, Amorites, etc were already living in Canaan/Palestine first to start with anyway link to youtube.com. And as others have noted Americans who support this mythology of Jews supposedly "returning" to Palestine after 2,000 years at the same time in a stunning act of hypocrisy not only won't allow (in just one example of many that could be cited) Mexicans (or Hispanics) to have the southwest of what is today the United States; not only that but the "Tea Party Patriots" etc. whine and cry about small Mexican groups like Aztlan and Reconquista that call for taking back territory that was taken from Mexico LESS than 200 years ago! link to upload.wikimedia.org
And also putting aside that said "Tea Party Patriots" (who are often major backers and supporters of Zionist colonialism and apartheid) even go crazy complaining not just about Mexicans maybe wanting what was their territory less than 200 years ago back; but simply about migrants and undocumented immigrants in said territory of what many Hispanics historical refer to till today as simply "Mexico Norte".
Foxman and the whole ADL are a imperialist supporting joke. And I like the typical appeal to the "The Holocaust Industry" (as Finkelstein wrote so openly about); it is noticeable how these Zionist propagandists keep the history of their colonialist movement hidden from the mainstream: link to counterpunch.org
Also to add to this one could seriously argue that the main "center" of the various diverse and different Jewish communities has actually for most of history been VARIOUS DIFFERENT "centerS" (underline the last S) that are as varied as (just some examples): Iraq (i.e. the Babylonian Talmud), Muslim ruled Spain (aka Al-Andalus, where Maimonides lived for most of his life, before he moved and eventually died in Egypt), Ottoman territory such as Istanbul, and many different European centers Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, parts of Russia even during the poverty, injustice, and institutionalized discrimination of the "Pale of Settlement" era, etc and also Caucasus regions like Khazaria link to usatoday.com
"Israel's capital since its inception and the center of Jewish life for millennia"
What a load of garbage and typical humorous Zionist hasbara propaganda. It is especially hilarious that these silly claims even often come out of the mouths of secular Zionists (who are actually similar to the founders of Zionism like Herzl in late 19th century CE Europe who were almost all agnostics or atheists, and had VERY bad relations with most religious Orthodox Jewish groups in Europe at that time, often over the issue of the Jewish Talmud's "Three Oaths" of Kethuboth 111a and the fact Herzl and company were secular and atheistic which pissed off the religious Jews!) but back on track: by secular Zionists I mean i.e. people who don't try to justify illegal occupations with claims based on a book with a talking snake, a talking donkey, talking trees, and a "Tower of Babel" supposedly built into the heavens! A book that itself says TEN other nations, specifically the Canaanites and JEBUSITES who founded Jebus, where ALREADY living in Canaan/Palestine before the actual Israelites even showed up. And on "Israelites" some actual facts from real research done into the huge genetic variety of people who self-identified as Jewish (whether religiously or "culturally", etc)
pnas.org (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America) Bray et al. 2010 "Signatures of founder effects, admixture, and selection in the Ashkenazi Jewish population"
Geneticist Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin of Tel Aviv University; "The origin of Eastern European Jews revealed by autosomal, sex chromosomal and mtDNA polymorphisms"
Israeli-American geneticist Eran Elhaik, PhD of John Hopkins University (published August 6, 2012) "The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses"
And summaries on research into the backgrounds of various Jewish people collected at the website khazaria.com
As Robert Pollack (quoted by Columbia University noted); "there are no DNA sequences common to all Jews and absent from all non-Jews. There is nothing in the human genome that makes or diagnoses a person as a Jew"
The links I posted show a huge diversity among people considered Jewish, with many links to Europe (Italy in particular and even more particularly Rome; and geneticist Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin of Tel Aviv University says this shows among Ashkenazi Jew strong links to being heavily descended from "proselytes" aka converts to Judaism in Rome i.e. making them Italians aka Europeans to start with link to biology-direct.com and link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov "All these Jews are likely the descendents of proselytes. Conversion to Judaism was common in Rome in the first centuries BC and AD. Judaism gained many followers among all ranks of Roman Society"). And also Caucasus input from the always hotly debated Khazars, and many others groups such as Armenians, Kurds, etc. Not to get into a side issue of certain similarities shown between various Jewish groups (in particular Iraqi and Iranian Jews) and Palestinians and Druze Arabs (scattered around Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon).
And as for being a "capital", the only time that Jerusalem is SUPPOSE to have been a "capital" for "Israel" (in this case in the mythological talking snake Bible) is in the times of David and Solomon (putting aside the Canaanites, Jebusites, etc. having been there first even in the Bible tradition!) and you can't very seriously call this a legitimate "capital" for two main reasons: 1) a capital city is only truly relevant in the context of modern "nationalism" which even wikipedia notes: "In Europe before the development of Nationalism, people were generally loyal to a city or to a particular leader rather than to their nation. Encyclopædia Britannica identifies the movement's genesis with the late-18th century American Revolution and French Revolution; other historians point specifically to the ultra-nationalist party in France during the French Revolution. The term nationalism was coined by Johann Gottfried Herder (nationalismus) during the late 1770s." and 2) most legitimate historians either question the very existence of David and Solomon, so much for trying to basis a case upon that to start with!
And Illene Beatty noted in her work "Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan":
"The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years...Then it fell apart...[Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David’s conquest of Canaan in 1000 B.C. to the wiping out of Judah in 586 B.C., we arrive at [only] a 414 year Jewish rule."
Source: link to ifamericansknew.org
The modern day state of Israel illegally occupied East Jerusalem in their illegal, unprovoked Zionist blitzkrieg attack of 1967 (link to arij.org), and this Israeli occupation is ruled illegal under international law and the Israeli regime's attempts to annex East Jerusalem have always been refuted and condemned as entirely illegal under international law: link to en.wikipedia.org
One thing I would note (regardless of what one's opinion is on Hamas), Hamas has shown pragmatism in its rule that has actually led it to conflicts with more conservative groups within the Gaza Strip itself (see Hamas confronting a group called "Jund Ansar Allah" or "The Army of the Supporters of God" back in 2009 for example). From Al-Jazeera: link to youtube.com
The American government (controlled by lobbies, specifically AIPAC) and the apartheid Zionist regime once again both display they are rogue forces; who are yet again openly flaunting and violating CLEAR international law! United Nations Security Council Resolution 478 link to en.wikipedia.org
Also see: link to david-morrison.org.uk
Seeing hasbara propaganda this weak (also the fact that it randomly includes mumbling Joe Lieberman is certainly "special") just reminded me of how the main, old Zionist propaganda claims have pretty much all been refuted EVEN by honest Israeli academia themselves!! You still have some Zionist propagandists who still (for example) absurdly try to deny Al-Nakba, but it is pretty ridiculous for them to do so when their main propaganda claims on that topic have been thoroughly discredited and refuted by of all people Benny Morris. This is the same Benny Morris who appears to be pretty much a right wing Likud supporting fascist, who doesn't just admit to the reality of Al-Nakba but even goes with the new line of argument that it was allegedly a "good thing" and that the Zionist regime should carry out ANOTHER Nakba to completely "cleanse" out the Palestinians entirely.
Considering they have this on their television what else can one expect link to youtube.com
And "wes" you are a clown.
Putting aside that Harris is a vile, xenophobic, imperialist ahole; it is "interesting" that he was such a cheerleader for the illegal invasion of Iraq (based on Bush and companies utter lies). As Saddam was a secular Baathist (Baathism being a form of SECULAR, pan-Arab nationalism with elements of quasi-socialism whose main intellectual founder was the Arab Christian Michel Aflaq who along with other early Baathists studied in France and adopted many French ideas for themselves which are evident both in the former law code of Saddam's Iraq especially pre-First Gulf War and also till this day in Bashar al-Assad ruled Syria. Syria today could very seriously be argued to be one of, if not likely thee, most secular government in the Middle East region itself; as the Zionist's entity has the ever growing power of ultra-Orthodox parties like Shas, etc).
And also does Sam not realize Iraq is today a religiously based government, which has replaced Saddam? For example see near the end of this video at 2:42 were Iraq comes up and interesting points for someone like Sam lol: link to youtube.com
"On days when hundreds of civilians were being killed in Syria, The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald were rehashing unverified rehashed propaganda against Israel." So current or former Israeli soldiers are doing "propaganda" against themselves for some reason??! And of course the old "what about (insert blank country here)" supposed "argument" tactic! If that is the best you can do, you really have some problems!! link to mondoweiss.net
The Zionists feigning "concern" about foreign countries is so transparent and pathetic. Also there is a SPECIAL reason for Westerners (be they Americans, the English, Canadians, French, Australians, Germans, Polish, etc. etc. etc.) to particularly focus on the crimes and misdeeds of the Israeli apartheid regime, the Israeli military and the Zionist's decades long occupation of Palestinian land. I don't recall any Western country supplying Bashar al-Assad with any weapons, I must have missed the memo when Assad received nuclear submarines from the Germans, or when Assad got his last shipment of US F-16 fighter jets, Apache Helicopters, US M-16 assault rifles, etc. etc. And I wasn't aware there was an equivalent to the traitors and Israeli-firsters at AIPAC secretly called "ASPAC" (the American-SYRIAN Public Affairs Committee)! And I also don't recall the US government fighting wars (that are a disaster for America and don't serve any US interest: link to youtube.com) on the behalf and at the behest of the supposed lobby of the Syrian government! This is quite typical behavior of course for shameless hasbara apologists. They also feigned supposed "concern" and interest in the Kurds of Turkey after the massacre committed by Israeli forces in international waters against the Freedom Flotilla the Mavi Marmara back in 2010: link to theamericanconservative.com
Which is also "interesting" as before this the Israelis heavily supported their key Turkish allies against for example the Kurdish PKK movement in southeastern Turkey and the mountains of northern Iraq. The PKK's currently imprisoned leader Abdullah Ocalan himself was captured in Kenya by Mossad operatives and then turned over to the Israeli's Turkish allies back in 1999 link to wrmea.org
And after the Flotilla in 2010, Zionist writers also started being okay with recognizing the Armenian genocide; that many of them had so firmly denied and spoke against that event being classified as a genocide link to youtube.com The sick "holocaust uniqueness" cult, that Jewish-American academic David Stannard thoroughly responded to, had long been denying the Armenian genocide for two specific reasons: 1) they held to the assertion that the Nazis crimes against the Jews in WW2 was allegedly the only act of genocide in human history (they also disgustingly wanted to exclude the Roma people aka the Gypsies from even being counted as Holocaust victims of the Nazis as well) putting aside real academics note even the Herero and Namaqua genocide in Africa done by the colonial Germans at the start of the 20th century (again the "holocaust uniqueness" people are a pretty sick cult who deny every other genocide in human history, as Professor David Stannard, historian and author of "American Holocaust: Columbus and the Conquest of the New World", shows). And 2) it served the interests of Israel to also deny the Armenian genocide at the end of the Ottoman Empire for their Turkish ally (i.e. pre-Flotilla Turkey)
And a last point, I have personally seen Zionist propagandists "respond" to events promoting justice in Palestine and calling for the ending of the occupation; by randomly going off on quite odd tangents about such things as a supposed "epidemic" of "honor killings"; which they don't even keep on the topic of Palestine-Israel itself but go off randomly trying to malign Muslims in general link to loonwatch.com. Which is also "special" given the fact that Palestinians aren't all religious Muslim even to start with, putting the typical propaganda claims that Zionists often latch on to nowadays going along with often white supremacist Islamophobes, (i.e. there is still a significant Palestinian Christian minority; including Palestinian figures associated with famous armed resistance groups like George Habash the founder of the PFLP) and that the PLO itself under Arafat was explicitly secularist and pan-Arabist/Arab nationalist (somewhat similar to the Pan-Arabist Arab Baath Party). So again the fact Zionists refuse to stay on topic a good amount of the time, makes it quite clear just how flimsy their hasbara is getting these days.
I wonder if the Zionist authorities set up another large staged production of soap opera like proportions to have photos and video taken of the "crying" settlers and the "crying" soldiers in this new mock battle (that would leave any Palestinian daring to resist even one small illegal Zionist occupation authority order either dead, in jail, or in a hospital) to try to then say "look we are making 'painful' compromises" (i.e. "withdrawing" one illegal West Bank outpost to just MOVE these racist/fanatic illegal Jewish settlers, with complete government subsidies much of it likely being US tax dollars given to Israel, to just another illegal West Bank outpost i.e. another illegal settlement colony in what all international law recognizes as the occupied Palestinian West Bank). Noam Chomsky in his 2006 work "Failed States: The Abuse of Power and the Assault on Democracy" does a good job discussing this chicanery in past similar events. Specifically the removal of the illegal Zionist settlements in Sinai, Egypt decades ago, that instead of just going with international law was portrayed in a large soap opera like fashion as a "national trauma" for the Zionists. And then more recently and importantly the supposed "disengagement" from Gaza in 2005 that was really the completion of an outdoor prison Gaza blockaded and raped of most of its' natural resources by a 1% illegal Jewish settler population that lived in opulence and which human rights activist and journalist Amira Hass noted made life hell for the other 99% of the population of Gaza i.e. the Palestinians in Gaza many of whom are people ethnically cleansed in Al-Nakba of 1948 from what is now southern Israel. And this Israeli "disengagement" from Gaza also saw the majority of the illegal Jewish settlers subsidized to simply move to expanded illegal settlements in the occupied Palestinian West Bank and in the equally illegally Zionist occupied Syrian Golan Heights. Chomsky for example clearly notes the large increase in illegal settlement construction in the occupied West Bank and Golan Heights following Ariel Sharon's "disengagement" from and consolidation of the Gaza concentration camp.
Chomsky also quotes the work of academic Baruch Kimmerling who wrote very importantly on this topic.
I'm sure these are the same clowns who are "horrified" and proclaim a supposed "genocide" is already occurring in America because the rate of "intermarriage" with "gentiles" is according to many studies over 50% among American Jews.
And this ridiculous propaganda using atrocities from WW2 is probably one of the most ridiculous examples of what Norman Finkelstein already discussed in his book "The Holocaust Industry". The first thing it reminded me of was hearing that tool and charlatan Glenn Beck (when he was still on Faux "news" aka Fox) claim that Americans allegedly had to start asking themselves a "question" and that was according to Glenn Beck: "Am I ready to hide a Jew in my attic?" and he was referring supposedly to America LOL! And what prompted this insane claim in the demented mind of the greedy propagandist whore Glenn Beck was simply the revolution in Egypt overthrowing the longtime US government and Zionist stooge Hosni Mubarak. And of course Glenn tied this all into a supposed "secret plot" of Communists, Muslims, "self-hating" Jews, Obama, Feminists, those pushing the "Gay Agenda", etc. etc. to supposedly bring about "the Fourth Reich" or something LOL. link to gratuity.files.wordpress.com
All that really needs to be said in response to the AIPAC puppet Romney:
link to en.wikipedia.org
link to unispal.un.org
Resolution 478 (1980)
of 20 August 1980
The Security Council,
Recalling its resolution 476 (1980),
Reaffirming again that the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible,
Deeply concerned over the enactment of a "basic law" in the Israeli Knesset proclaiming a change in the character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem, with its implications for peace and security,
Noting that Israel has not complied with resolution 476 (1980),
Reaffirming its determination to examine practical ways and means, in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, to secure the full implementation of its resolution 476 (1980), in the event of non-compliance by Israel,
1. Censures in the strongest terms the enactment by Israel of the "basic law" on Jerusalem and the refusal to comply with relevant Security Council resolutions;
2. Affirms that the enactment of the "basic law" by Israel constitutes a violation of international law and does not affect the continued application of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949, in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since June 1967, including Jerusalem;
3. Determines that all legislative and administrative measures and actions taken by Israel, the occupying Power, which have altered or purport to alter the character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem, and in particular the recent "basic law" on Jerusalem, are null and void and must be rescinded forthwith;
4. Affirms also that this action constitutes a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East;
5. Decides not to recognize the "basic law" and such other actions by Israel that, as a result of this law, seek to alter the character and status of Jerusalem and calls upon:
(a) All Member States to accept this decision;
(b) Those States that have established diplomatic missions at Jerusalem to withdraw such missions from the Holy City;
6. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Security Council on the implementation of the present resolution before 15 November 1980;
` 7. Decides to remain seized of this serious situation.
Adopted at the 2245th meeting by 14 votes to none, with 1 abstention (United States of America).
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And also to counter another piece of common Zionist propaganda, David Morrison has already noted in a correspondence with the Zionist's own embassy in the UK; the clear reality of international law the Zionist regime continues to violate: link to david-morrison.org.uk
"Does Israel accept the ruling of the International Court of Justice (Namibia 1971 ICJ 16, paragraph 113) that UN member states are obliged 'to accept and carry out' Chapter VI (as well as Chapter VII) Security Council resolutions in accordance with Article 25 of the UN Charter?"
A "friendly country" that bombed US targets in the Lavon Affair and attacked the USS Liberty! link to en.wikipedia.org and link to gtr5.com
Also fred's statements sound similar to those who claim the spy Jonathan Pollard should supposedly be freed because he was "only spying for an 'ally'". Despite American intelligence officials documenting the massive damage Pollard did to the United States.
And no American (much less a politician!) should go around in the military uniform of any other country! I can only imagine what would happen if Muslim American Keith Ellison went to Saudi Arabia and put on a Saudi military uniform at a parade in Riyadh!! Everyone knows that in this hypothetical scenario Ellison would receive relentless attacks throughout the mainstream media, even though Saudi Arabia is an actual ally of the US that provides real geo-strategic benefits to the US.
Stories like this simply show AIPAC control of the United States, the US is used and abused by the Zionist lobby and this provides ZERO benefits to the US whatsoever. US foreign policy interests are served by courting actual countries that can benefit the US in the region such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar (both with oil, and both having a history of US military bases being stationed in them) and a Muslim majority NATO member like Turkey (also with US and NATO forces stationed in it). link to youtube.com
The FBI knew about the 1993 WTC bombing and their failures on that extend far beyond anything involving the El Sayyid Nosair trial; just see the infamous situation involving the FBI and their informant Emad Salem (and his tapes). Also I've heard some fascist "JDL" terrorist apologists, claim that El Sayyid Nosair was supposedly only acquitted because of "black people on the jury"!!! As Martin Gilbert Kahane had a history of bigotry and racism directed at Puerto Ricans and African-Americans in New York (on top of his genocidal bigotry and racism against Arabs).
All one can do is shake their head when they listen to this pathetic Zionist propaganda, if they know the historically development of nationalism in 18th century CE Europe. Also Jewish academics themselves have written very important academic articles on the development of nationalist ideology in the Palestinian Arabs. For example see Baruch Kimmlering and Joel S. Migdal on the 1834 CE Arab revolt in Palestine: link to en.wikipedia.org
"The imposition of a conscription levy led to a revolt in the Egyptian conquered portion of Ottoman Syria, headed by the prominent Arab clans of Nablus, Hebron and the Jerusalem-Jaffa area. Baruch Kimmerling and Joel S. Migdal argue that the 1834 Arab revolt of the Egyptian conquered part of Ottoman Syria was a formative event for the Palestinian sense of nationhood, in that it forged a unity among disparate groups against a common enemy: the various classes and clans who fought in it are precisely those that reemerged later to constitute the Palestinian people."
And from before that, academic Haim Gerber (a Professor of Islamic History) discusses a 17th century Palestinian religious leader name Mufti Khayr al-Din al-Ramli link to en.wikipedia.org (from central الرملة ar-Ramlah, Palestine) who mentions Palestine in a sense of what Professor Gerber calls "embryonic territorial awareness" even in this 17th century CE period before even the period in Europe.
Links:
link to jstor.org
link to en.wikipedia.org
And note this all comes before the development of Zionist ideology in Europe in the late 19th century CE; i.e. Herzl publishing his book in 1896 in Austria and Germany (in German) and the "First Zionist Congress" being held in Switzerland from August 29 to 31, 1897 CE.
People are making good points here responding to the silliness of the "response" of "Stand With Us" to the actual maps demonstrating and showing the ethnic cleansing of Palestine by Zionist criminals in modern times. As someone already said (showing a map from 2000 BCE) the land was Canaan at that time according to historians! But I guess we aren't suppose to go back that far for the Zionist hasbara I guess!
Also the very common claim that the land was supposedly only referred to as Palestine after the Romans "changed it" to that is demonstrably false (as someone with a BA in History I just shake my head at how ignorant the people who claim that are). And it seems the Zionists in the West (and in particular the US) use this false claim a lot because it sells to right wing Evangelical "Zionist Christian" nutjobs (whom the Zionist regime derives a lot of support from, in US Republican politics in particular). In fact I've heard the obese charlatan John Hagee making this claim to his "flock" at his "mega-church" in Texas. These right wing Evangelical "Zionist Christians" usually go on their own little tangent and say that God allowed the Romans to do this to supposedly "punish the Jews", etc. etc. The only problem for this claim however is that the use of the name Palestine, for the land of Palestine!, demonstrably goes back further than the Romans and the 1st century CE.
link to en.wikipedia.org
Info on Palestine showing the name of Palestine goes back as far as 1150 BCE and Ancient Egyptian monuments (Medinet Habu temple in Luxor, Egypt) mentioning the "Peleset" of Canaan (that is Peleset meaning Philistines, which is the etymological source the later Romans and Byzantines did derive names like Palaestina Prima, Syria Palaestina, etc from as well as where the Muslim Caliphates derived the name Jund Filastin from for the land of Palestine as well in the 7th century CE). And the source I quoted above then notes Assyrian sources (Adad-nirari III and Dur-Sharrukin) going back to the 8th century BCE referring to "Pilistu" meaning the Philistines in Canaan as well.
And then two more examples, just to conclude, from this era (pre-Roman) that clearly mention and use the name Palestine for the land and territory in question. The legendary Ancient Greek historian Herodotus (c. 484 BCE- 425 BCE) in his circa 450 BCE work "The Histories" mentions Palestine and its people as the "Syrians of Palestine"; that is referring to Palestine as district of a Greater Syria, modern Arabic Bilad ash-Sham, etc. And then another legendary Ancient Greek figure Aristotle (384 BCE- 322 BCE) in his circa 340 BCE work "Meteorology" writes; "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in PALESTINE, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them." Most historians view the body of water being mentioned here in Palestine by Aristotle as البحر الميت (al-Bahr al-Mayyit), that is the Dead Sea!
A very well written and thought provoking article. This "what about China", North Korea, Syria, etc. (basically just "insertion blank country here"!) tactic is a fairly common Zionist hasbara propaganda tactic and technique. The logical fallacy of this is self-evident as injustice in once place has no bearing on injustices in another place! The world should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time (i.e. handle and try to stop any number of multiple injustices all over the world all at once!)
Also the situation of the Zionist entity is unique in my opinion. First the Zionist entity is a relic of colonialism in our modern world (the French got out of Algeria, the Italians out of Libya, etc) and with this the Zionists are a modern apartheid entity as well (a relic of the Zionists old close friend and ally Apartheid South Africa: link to mondoweiss.net). And with this in mind unlike other situations be that China (putting aside Tibet, if we are talking about abuses in main land China here), North Korea, Syria, etc. those are internal conflicts whereas the Zionist project is a brutal colonialist settler project again a relic of what should be long gone colonialism; where indigenous Palestinian Arabs are expelled and live under apartheid conditions and where settler "Jews" from as far flung places as Canada, the US, parts of South America sometimes, into Europe and Russia, etc. come and are given instance "citizenship" to help displace the indigenous Palestinians. The Zionist colonialist project has gotten so desperate on this part of their "demographics war" that they have even imported many Russians who don't even fit the Zionazis own fanciful idea of supposedly "who is a Jew"; this can be seen in for example the Russian Neo-Nazis that were given citizenship in the Zionist entity a few years back and the little scandal they caused with their videotapes, etc.
Also American citizens have very important reasons to be especially concerned with and critical of the Zionist entity and its actions in particular; as the US taxpayers and the US government (in the current US two party system/dictatorship of the lobbies like AIPAC and others) that is America lavishes unlimited, massive support to and upon "Israel" something that no other country receives from the US. Also the diplomatic cover and UN support the US provides to the Zionist entity is beyond any other country. That is why Walt and Mearsheimer when responding to critics of their acclaimed work "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy", dealing with this specific issue noted (as wikipedia says): "To the complaint that they 'catalogue Israel's moral flaws, while paying little attention to the shortcomings of other states', they refer to the 'high levels of material and diplomatic support' given by the United States especially to Israel as a reason to focus on it."
And then finally I find this Zionist hasbara propaganda diversion tactic to be disgusting, pathetic, and also sometimes pretty humorous in its shallowness and contradictions. For example the Zionists turned this tactic against Turkey following the murderous "Israeli" attack and massacre on the humanitarian aid Flotilla the Mavi Marmara (that was in international waters, when it suffered Zionist entity piracy) a peaceful Flotilla that was taking aid to the illegally besieged Gaza Strip ( the UN, Navi Pillay, etc. all confirm the Zionist entity's blockade of Gaza was and is illegal and must be lifted immediately). Suddenly the Zionists found themselves at odds with there one time good buddies the Turkish government (see Ataturk "recognizing" the Zionist entity in 1949 CE, the close military ties between Turkey and the Zionist entity going up to and even for a while in the Erodgan/AKP Islamist government time, etc). And the Zionist hasbara folks and crew came out attacking Turkey saying such things as "what about the Kurds and the Armenians?!". The funny thing on this was one on Kurds, it is a known fact that in the "good times" of friendly relations between Turkey and "Israel"; the "Israelis" supplied lots of weapons and support to their Turkish allies that the "Israelis" knew would be used by the Turkish military against the armed PKK Kurdish rebel group (that Turkey, the US, NATO, EU, etc. all consider a "terrorist group")! In fact the Zionist Mossad was the ones who in 1999 abducted the Kurdish leader of the PKK Abdullah Ocalan in Kenya (Ocalan had to leave Hafez al-Assad ruled Syria, when Assad the elder kicked out his one time PKK bargaining chip when threatened with a Turkish military invasion of Syria to go after the PKK bases Assad had before let the PKK set up in Syrian territory as a proxy chip of his against Turkey). And even an American conservative website noted the Zionists hypocrisy on their sudden supposed "concern" about the Kurds (whom they helped Turkey arm to fight against the PKK Kurdish rebels in the past, as has the US and many other NATO countries!) link to theamericanconservative.com
"Over the last few days I have seen a few people trying to equate the current status of Palestinians in Gaza with that of the Kurds in Turkey. Apparently Pollock expects us not to know that the status of Kurds has improved significantly under the AKP government. Kurds have representation in the Turkish parliament. Kurds have been granted some language and other rights that they did not have in the 'good old days' before the AKP took power, and last year’s 'Kurdish initiative' was an attempt to expand on this. This AKP initiative encountered significant political resistance from the Republicans and the National Movement, which means that the one party attempting to address some Kurdish grievances is the one Pollock is attacking. Hurriyet was reporting as recently as Monday that the failure of the initiative was the reason for stepped-up PKK violence, including the attack in Iskenderun on Monday. Diyarbakir and Erzerum are not blockaded enclaves, and there are not over a million Kurds living in government-enforced poverty in the name of anti-terrorism. Can anyone seriously claim that Palestinians in Gaza are currently being treated the same as Kurds in Turkey?"
And then on the Armenian issue, one of the funny things there is that in the past (i.e. pre-2010 and the Flotilla, and Turkey and the Zionist entity's past alliance largely breaking part after that, etc) many "Israeli" academics and people from even Yad Vashem had been at the forefront of trying to prevent the WW1 mass killing of Armenians by Ottoman forces as being termed "genocide". This was a "special group" of people known as "holocaust uniqueness" advocates (people who claim the holocaust in WW2 is allegedly the only example of genocide in all of human history, these people even try to exclude groups like the Roma people aka the Gypsies from being counted as part of those killed by the Nazis, etc), who academic Professor David Stannard and others dealt with and refuted pretty thoroughly. Here is an example of Bernard Lewis (a prominent Western Zionist) back in 2002 saying the mass killing of Armenians in the WW1 period should not be termed a genocide link to youtube.com Also Norman Finkelstein kind of goes into this somewhat in his work "The Holocaust Industry", etc. But after the Zionists massacre against the Flotilla, I suddenly saw a wave of Zionist supporters clearly terming the WW1 era killing of Armenians a genocide (something Turkey responds to with its own little hits as well, such as when the American government recognized the Armenian genocide, Turkey passed a motion recognized the genocide of Native Americans. And when France just fairly recently recognized the killing of Armenians by the Ottomans as a genocide, Turkey responded by labeling French colonialist actions and killings of Algerians in Algeria as a genocide as well.)
This Zionist hasbara propaganda tactic to try to cover-up and divert away from their crimes against humanity is something that must be fought wholeheartedly.
In addition to the good responses others have already given you; the case you are referring to was someone who gave a "confession" after being tortured. I'm sure you also accept Gitmo and CIA "black site" supposed "confessions" as well. link to jkcook.net
The Zionists just make themselves look more and more laughable with the absurd charges they are always throwing around against anybody who doesn't kiss their behind.
Your old comments here are absolutely ridiculous. First you just brush aside the conclusions of Bray et al. 2010 link to pnas.org that demonstrate clearly what other people here were saying and noting; such as showing a "Heinz 57" nature versus a supposed mythological "thoroughbred" nature that Zionist mythology promotes along with the myth of a supposed "exile" in 70 CE that no historian believes in link to muse.jhu.edu
Bray et al. 2010 clearly say Ashkenazi Jews cluster closer to Europeans; as again: "The fixation index, FST, calculated concurrently to the PCA, confirms that there is a closer relationship between the AJ and several European populations (Tuscans, Italians, and French) than between the AJ and Middle Eastern populations (Fig. S2B). This finding can be visualized with a phylogenetic tree built using the FST data (Fig. S2C), showing that the AJ population branches with the Europeans and not Middle Easterners."
And then as for geneticist Dr. Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin, Ph.D., you (someone who gives no evidence of any scientific or academic credentials of any kind) basically just assert that supposedly "I know Zoossmann-Diskin, Ph.D. is 'wrong'". If one actually wants to read actual debate regarding an issue they can go to the section with three "Reviewer's report"s followed by Zoossmann-Diskin's "Author's response"s; for example Zoossmann-Diskin, Ph.D. states in one response:
"There is no need to type the same samples for all the polymorphisms, because the unit of study is the population, not the individual. One can use polymorphisms typed by different researchers using different samples and combine them to create a genetic profile of each population. Typing all the polymorphisms on the same sample does not add more credibility to the study. Indeed the renowned works that employed classical autosomal markers to portray the genetic affinities of human populations were based on many different samples typed by many different researchers [56,57]. "
So it is clear you simply DO NOT LIKE the results geneticist Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin, Ph.D.'s studies have come up with link to biology-direct.com and link to ncbi.nlm.nih.gov for example; but that does not mean some unscientific person like you can supposedly "challenge" the research of Zoossmann-Diskin who along with currently being employed at a medical facility is affiliated with the: "Department of Haematology and Genetic Pathology, School of Medicine, Flinders University, Adelaide, Australia" and the "Department of Human Genetics, Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel" (look up the history of the ethnically cleansed Palestinian village of Shaykh Al-Muwannis in regards to Tel Aviv University).
And then finally you also quickly resorted to a completely weak and absurd Ad hominem attack on Zoossmann-Diskin over his quick reference page citation of Ernest Renan which Zoossmann-Diskin, Ph.D. only uses for the following short sentence; "Where did these Jews come from? It seems that they came to Germany and France from Italy [5-8]." (with Renan's work being listed as source number six, along with works from Israeli academics). Reading on Ernest Renan shows he was an important 19th century philosopher who is controversial by modern standards for having racialized views such as believing "Semitic" people, link to counterpunch.org supposedly were "mentally inferior". But this in no way deserves your "yikes" for Zoossmann-Diskin including him along with three other works for one quick sentence relating to Germany, France, and Italy.
And as for Khazars, researchers highly suspect R1a1, Q, and G are Khazar inputs, but as Zoossmann-Diskin himself has been noted to have said the Khazar hypothesis is difficult to test due to a lack of Caucasus population data. Most recently however: link to arxiv.org
"giladg" the term theme park is completely logically when your dealing with a book like "The Bible" (or Tanakh to be specific in this case) link to webspace.webring.com that includes among other things talking snakes (Genesis 3:1) and a supposed "Tower" that was being built into heaven that apparently frightened Yahweh (Genesis Chapter 11). Similar things can be noted about the "Biblical theme park" in I believe Kentucky in the US that includes human beings riding dinosaurs and other "special" things.
"Fredblogs" there is no supposed "threat" of Iran (who unlike nuclear armed Israel that still refuses to sign the NPT treaty or open Dimona up to IAEA inspectors, Iran only has a peaceful nuclear energy program) allegedly "nuking" anyone. The main claims against Iran under President Ahmadinejad (who is leaving office soon anyway) have centered around a portion of a speech taken out of context that hinted at most for calls for regime change against the Zionist regime (link to antiwar.com) and Ahmadinejad saying the Zionists use the Holocaust (which he may be referred to as a revisionist on) to justify themselves and their crimes; especially against the Palestinians something say Professor Norm Finkelstein has noted as well (link to edition.presstv.ir).
But unlike Israel, Iran has never attacked or invaded any other nation in modern times (something the Iranian people are very proud of). And as for a supposed "deterrent" Israeli officials have made statements saying their supposed "deterrent" (that on a side note they were also willing to help their allies in the Apartheid South African regime obtain link to guardian.co.uk) is clearly to be used if the spoiled child (spawn) of the West, has its Zionist colonization project challenged as Martin van Creveld stated quite absurdly when he claimed the Zionists were under "threat" in 2003: "We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force…. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."
I meant to say how could the Syrian army that everyone (government and opposition) agrees was shelling Houla (because of the presence of armed "Free Syrian Army" fighters) how could this same Syrian army that couldn't get into Houla and was reduced to simply shelling it because of holed up "FSA" rebels in the village; how could it be these same Syrian soldiers that then supposedly got close up where they could allegedly be the ones responsible for stabbing people to death??!
And with this in mind: CUI BONO, who benefits?! The Assad governments (both father and son) have stayed in power for 40 years not by being stupid (no matter what else one thinks about them) this action clearly benefits the opposition and thus the opposition armed insurgents ("FSA", Al-Nusra Front, and others) that everyone admits were in Houla (leading to the Syrian army shelling Houla) should be the first suspects in this incident as it clearly is being used as propaganda to call for a supposed "humanitarian intervention" again (i.e. aerial bombardment by NATO). link to en.wikipedia.org
To add to what Annie Robbins was discussing. There has been much contradictory info reported regarding the killing of civilians (including children) in Houla in the Syrian Homs Governorate. Even the opposition says that the Syrian army was shelling Houla, indicating that there were "Free Syrian Army" fighters in Houla and the very act of the Syrian army shelling Houla means they couldn't get into it at that time (i.e. that's why you shell someplace if your armed enemy is located there and holed up there).
Yet the killed civilians by all accounts (whether government or opposition) appear to have mostly been killed close-up (and also by knives in most instances). How exactly did the Syrian army that was shelling the society (as the opposition and the Western mainstream media that supports them, despite their admitted al-Qaeda links link to en.wikipedia.org) then someone get in close quarters were they could supposedly be the ones responsible for stabbing people to death? Add to this that the mainstream media has discredited themselves yet again regarding this instance with a glaring "accident" made by the BBC link to telegraph.co.uk (using a photo taken by Marco di Lauro in Iraq in 2003 and claiming it was Houla, Syria yesterday)
And again those blaming the Syrian army right away are completely ignoring and trying to cover up the existence of armed extremists that have put out their own professional al-Qaeda videos online claiming countless attacks link to youtube.com
This is also the same al-Qaeda affiliated "Al-Nusra Front" and "Free Syrian Army" armed rebels that even the Vatican itself has confirmed has engaged in violent ethnic cleansing of over 90% of the Syrian Christian community of Homs, Syria. link to fides.org. Quite similar to the violent ethnic cleansing and murder of Black Libyans within Libyan by the al-Qaeda affiliated Benghazi rebels (who are heavily linked to bin Laden, Zawahiri, and the Taliban via Abdel Hakim Belhadj and the "Libyan Islamic Fighting Group" link to landdestroyer.blogspot.com ) and NO these Black Africans (either migrant workers or Black Libyans themselves) were not supposed "mercenaries" for Gaddafi that claim was refuted even by anti-Gaddafi Western organizations like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch link to rnw.nl and link to indymedia.org.uk "Amnesty: no evidence of mass rape, mercenaries or air strikes by Libyan regime" by Patrick Cockburn
Very disturbing racist incidents indeed. Something that also should be brought up on this issue of African migrants in Israel, is that some Zionist propagandists actually try to use the very presence of the African migrants as a pro-Zionist hasbara talking point! I've seen more than a few Zionist propagandists actually saying "look the Africans want to come here!". While they of course completely ignore the fact that desperate migrants look for any place they think they can make a decent amount of money and possibly live a somewhat stable life. However this does NOT in any way excuse the RACISM directed at these migrants; nor does it supposedly show the migrants are living a "jolly" life, someone could make the same statement about migrant workers (most of whom being from Latin America) in the US who face very harsh working conditions, a pathetic minimum wage as they are exploited by US corporations, and often face open xenophobe, hatred, and racism. The fact these people can make more money even with the pathetically low minimum wage whether in the US or Israel, is not some supposed "merit" for either US or Israeli (and their corporations) abuse of these migrants.
Also specifically on the case of African refugees that happen to be Israel (most of whom are very importantly refugees who fled ARMED CONFLICTS on the African continent) this earlier Mondoweiss article from 2010 makes a very important point in this regard dealing with the Israeli military industrial complex that is the Israeli arms industry's responsibility for often fueling African civil wars
link to mondoweiss.net
"While much media attention is focused on Israel's treatment of the Palestinian population, and rightfully so, most English-speakers don't know about Israel's asylum seekers and foreign workers, two other marginalized groups that are constantly being harassed and threatened with deportation.
Many of them are refugees of armed conflicts in Africa -- conflicts that the Israeli government indirectly contributes to by selling weapons on the continent. But instead of granting these people status, it considers them a 'demographic threat' and orders its immigration people to round them up for expulsion.
After Israel began to phase out the use of Palestinian laborers, deeming them a security risk, the government began to 'import' foreign workers, mainly from East Asia, to do dirty work. But these people are relegated to serf status, and are deported and replaced if they try to form families, a basic human right."
And also this point from an online article on the topic; "Israeli weapons found their ways to fuel civil wars in Africa".