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  • Trump may want a deal, but Israeli Jews are not interested
    • What is the end game?

      I fear its going to get much much worse before it ever gets better. No significant group under in the age of 35 has ever had real interaction with Palestinians, so its easy for them to say these hideously racist things. Several generations have been tainted in racism and bigotry. What can be done now?

      Would I have ever thought that equal rights would cause the average person's stomach to cringe? Maybe in the segregationist south? At this point the Israeli Govt - with near complete support of its population - will be ready in a 30-50 years to openly advocate genocide.

      Unless the United States wakes up and stop this insane policy, then nothing will change. And that policy right now is driven by blind zeal for zionism, especially by financially prominent American Jews. When will they realize that it was all a myth, and they created a legacy of horror?

  • 'The era of the Palestinian state is over' -- Israeli right celebrates Trump win
    • It will be good to move past thinly gilded veil of a 2SS. Even with Trump's victory, the majority of Americans will not support Israeli style apartheid. Hilary would have supported that mirage.

      Doesn't mean Trump won't be any better - but it'll advance the debate forward; Obama did his job on that basis (creating distance so that the debate can be possible) despite being ham-stringed in so many ways.

  • Palbox: A way to support Palestinian farmers and artisans this holiday season
  • Why we are blocking the boat
    • LOL effective think that the word is now becoming a contradiction.

      FYI Israel isn't a democracy. I'm still surprised many Zionists are spreading these lies.

  • NY Times describes Israel’s June rampage in the West Bank as a “clampdown”
    • I am honestly surprised that so many Israeli Palestinians actually believe the war against Gaza was justfied.

  • Former Senator Weicker says he was 'lobbied' to be silent about Palestinian suffering
    • His last statement was the most telling -- he will speak his mind because he isn't pursuing office anymore. Obviously I'm taking a pessimistic definition, but we've seen it more and more recently.

      And for that [greater number of former public servents expressing their views] I am thankful because it will build up, yet I have no idea how long it will take for that breeze to really affect the tree branches of government.

  • Two-state advocates are on the defensive in debate on Capitol Hill
    • Translation: Let me use the "How to Defend Israel" guide.
      Alternative (Sarcastic) Translation: Let me cast doubt on documented and indisputable refugeedom while glorifying mythos of Hebrew refugeedom.

      That said, I'm not going to play your game. You'd prefer to pointlessly entertain people in this type of argument till the end of time, because you can avoid discussions about how to move forward in a single state whose laws and practice aim to espouse principles of liberty, equality, and opportunity for all.

  • Morsi, the last caliph-president of Egypt
    • I very much agree.I read about half of it, and then felt it was getting too long-winded for me, and then started skimming through the first and last sentences of every paragraph or so just so I can get the gist of it. If there's something really valuable let me know and I'll go back and reread the whole thing

      the interpretations of the article make is just twisted if you ask me, even if the interpretations are what some people believe in think. For example, rather than say that Morsi was making a statement when he chose to announce the call to prayer by Indicating that anyone of any background can potentially reach any level of office, instead he gets lambasted because he wasn't acting like a president by doing that.

      When we talk about democratizing a society you would think a statement about the maximum level about of mobility that could be had should be a statement that should be celebrated.

      this type of thought is riddled everywhere, especially when he tries to connect culture and sayings that aren't even part of authentic religious text and take them to be the political soap box of the first democratically elected EGyptian government.

      the coup organizer organizers better hurry fast and secure jobs for the country so they can run the country the way China is run, because if they don't, there will be yet another coup

  • Weiner should be 'hounded' for his support for apartheid
    • LOL. It was very clear what his statements were. He wasn't cut off at all, he was allocated his time, and even if he 'intended' something else, he clearly displayed a lack of knowledge. The event went on to discuss what the definition of the West Bank was, and he wasn't limiting it specifically to just a few Palestinians Cities. Go back and watch it (I'm recalling from memory, but I remember the extra dive to clarify his position).

      To say he represents a constituency that is "to the right" is a massive understatement.

      I do agree with you though that his opinions are malleable so as long as they fall in line with those that support him. For someone to spout such vulgar claims, but still appear to be incredibly ignorant, is a clear sign that he or she is following the money and power. Maybe at some point in his heart he believes it, but he is clearly pandering to an extreme right.

  • With conventional wisdom solidifying behind Hagel, will Obama finally declare on 'Meet the Press?'
    • I think power can be measured in more ways than simply 'successes'. Look at the noise that was raised and how it permeated much of the media; that, in itself, is an exemplary example of the power that can be mobilized when the right strings are pulled to set a system into motion.

      Even then, I don't see how AIPAC comes out as a winner...they still get 95% of what they want, remember?

      If Hagel doesn't get nominated, and it goes to someone that is more acceptable to AIPAC, it will be a pyrrhic victory because the visibility that AIPAC/Israel Lobby received plays against their desire to operate outside of the limelight.

  • Joseph and Mary can't make it to Bethlehem, on Banksy's Christmas card
    • The Hebrews of Yore can be genetically & ancestrally found in the Palestinians of today. They simply speak Arabic, and now have a major component of Arab identity.

      The image evokes a powerful sense of how the life of a Palestinian is affected - even shared religious wisdom (ie: The Christian story) cannot escape the powerful grips of racist Israeli government policy.

      Its a beautiful postcard.

  • Khalidi, Karon and Bronner (!) deliver a post mortem for the two-state solution
    • ____When did this change happen to Bronner? ___
      I've noticed a couple articles of the past few months showing Bronner being aware of what is going on; this is after the debacles that happened before he stepped aside from his previous posting at the NYT. Only 12 minutes into this video he truthfully articulated the Palestinians perspective of why they aren't interested in the game of the 'peace process'.

      Am I mis reading something???

      That said, there is still a long road on the way to being a Non-Zionist ;-) That said, I'm encouraged, especially after watching the Hilary video last night.

  • Visit Hillary Clinton's settlement
    • How he walked through the tunnel, she exclaimed, "Oh wow, they really improved it!" and they talked about the lighting for a brief moment. I suppose that is what you get excited about when the oppressor chooses to make oppression a little bit more palatable?

  • Journalist teaches students to join no party and sign no petitions for any cause -- oh except one
    • I read the book when it first came out; its thesis is very interesting, and even if one doesn't subscribe into the final conclusions, it still throws the official Israeli story into complete disarray and shows that its construction is:
      (A) Much like the story of many other nation states: pure myth and
      (B) the mythology was constructed using extremely shoddy "historical reconstruction" (still true for other nation states, except for the special University Dept's dedicated to Israeli History)

  • Bill Maher says Islam and Christianity are 'warlike religions' but Israel 'kicked ass' in its 'little war'
    • Not surprising coming from Bill Maher; Progressive Except Palestine at its best.

      Of course, in this scenario, based on what I've seen of him, I think he _genuinely_ believes the propaganda story. For someone who lambastes religious beliefs as a sign of weak minded people, he doesn't pause once to question the myths of Zionism and the hasbara that he effortlessly calls on.

  • Exile and the prophetic: Two more years
    • I would think the response would be "...How the hell is this going to help our economy?"

      I think because people's focus is on the economy, it gives him some leverage to pursue a more navigable foreign policy in the background, especially since he quietly knows that many of the 'ground forces' that constitute the diplomats, generals, intelligence officers, etc. have never been fond of Israel.

  • What did the Sheldon and Miriam Adelson get for their money? (Not much)
    • I doubt it; Israel is already very polarized; Adelson will get a regime that shares the sentiments he does - Olmert, Livni, Netanyahu, Barack...they are simply all the same with regards to Palestinians!
      If you look at Israeli elections, with regards to Palestine, they essentially amount to: "How much do we have to beat up on the Palestinians? More than the current state, or a little less than the current state?".. "Oh Americans are looking? Uhh yeah peace peace peace, lets talk more"
      There are no minorities to mobilize like in the US, as they are simply Palestinians (ie "Arab Israelis") and its hard to mobilize a block against (quite literally) their own existence :p Also, the youth are virulently racist given that most have had little to no interaction with Palestinians.

      What I hope is that the drift between the American and Israeli establishments continue to widen.

  • I am you
  • The Colbert Report: 'Israel Israel Israel'
    • I'm glad that we see JS & SC push these issues; I have many friends that don't care about politics, nor do they really care to listen about the plight of any oppressed people, but when they see shows like this they can't help but laugh and then "hold on a minute why in the world are we...."

      Keep it up Steven Colbert! It may be comedy, but you are fighting the good fight, and bringing the right issues to the foreplay, even if you do it subtly (ie: implying that extremely largely wealthy Zionist donors to Israel live in Boca Raton without directly saying it)

  • Anti-Obama infomerical confirms Israel's role as a partisan election issue
    • Again, to me, from the American perspective, we have to remember that people are simply ignorant and don't know of the reality. Even for "Irina", her problem is that her liberal self truly has no idea what she is defending.

  • See how Israeli colonies killed the two state solution
    • History has shown over and over that it is the Israelis who attack, and it is the Israelis who imprison the deluge of peace activists pushing for human rights, equality, and justice. This site is literally filled with thousands of examples.

      Its amazing how with so much information at your tips here, you can't see anything past your own racist, false, and (quite often) erroneous. preconceptions.

    • What does anything of a religious book have to do with basic human rights of people that live on a land?

    • Please Please PLEASE get a piece to break the wind on your makes it difficult to hear anything. An external mic that is appropriately dampened does WONDERS.

  • Survey of Arab-Americans highlights drop in support for Obama
    • Yeah just FYI the Arab vote doesn't matter because

      (a) We aren't big enough of a politically organized group, regardless of the number of Americans that have that heritage in them
      (b) We don't represent key swing voters in constituencies that matter (First I've read would be that report you have linked...but the link isn't working)
      (c) We haven't pooled money to the same extent as other PACs to help get politicians elected that are sympathetic to causes important to the community (which should be 100% in line with basic concepts of Human Rights & Universal Equality)
      (d) There are much bigger forces that make/break elections

  • Romney dirge for two-state solution causes widespread panic among those fearing for Israel
    • that is where my sentiments fall to: 2SS now with a path (which may take anywhere from 1 generation to many more generations) back to 1SS.

      That said I wouldn't oppose 1 state solution...I'd welcome both options (2SS w/ East Jer and 1967 or 1 SS with equal rights for all)

    • Sure, but the 2SS that Avnery is talking about is a far cry from what Dershowitz is talking about....lets not conflate the two.

    • Yup.

      In the past, two state to Dershowitz meant 'no state, so Israel takes more land'.

      Now, two state probably means finding some kind of guilded moral justification to shoving palestinians on bantustans, restricting movement to within those regions, controlling all functions related to natural resource management (land, air, sea), and still denying them the right to vote because 'technically they are a different country'. Lets push to ensure that this alternative is never realized because it is the legalization of the current situation with no true justice.

    • Spoken like someone who wants to split the technicalities. Define 'two-state solution'.

      Dershowitz supports a 2 state solution where Israel creates a series of bantustans. Finkelstein, on Democracy now many years ago, clearly called him out on this; he forced Dershowitz to clarify that his support for 2 states lies on whatever vague notion of 2 states Israel wants.

      A 2 state solution on the 1967 lines with East Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine would be, quite literally, an anathema to him.

  • Moses and Mohammed are not equivalent figures in Jewish and Islamic faiths
    • I misunderstood then, I thought that you meant only Mohammed was viewed as such.

      Even if they appear flawless, I don't know if that is necessarily the message the Quran is pushing. Unlike the Bible, the Quran doesn't engage in a story for the sake of narrative; even though stories of 'cain and able' can be found in both, the Quran immediately goes towards the position of 'what is the lesson to be learned' -- that is why many colorful narratives in that story, for example, don't exist at all, resulting in a story that is a fraction of the length of what the Bible contains. Even the names of these two are not given.
      This is a common theme over and over - so I don't know if it is truly a scenario of being immaculate, but I know I completely go against the grain =)

      Anyways we both seem to agree that its awkward for a Muslim (with some 'basic' understanding of the religion...but lets look at most religious people :p) should try to make an analogy like that....

    • Yup; whether we believe in religion or not, one of the big important things is to juxtapose the Quran to both the Torah and New Testament, and to highlight all these points of similarity and 'restoration of the evolved message' in the Quran; "hey you may vehemently disagree about our claims of corruption of the message, but we aren't ultimately trying to mix water and oil; we are quite similar"

      Islamophobes, when it comes down to it, really don't know the Quran beyond many deliberate mistranslations of small sections. And if they actually do, then often its a case of 'follow the money trail' (people have Wafa Sultan have been very rich off the industry)...

      And the more you can enlighten (ha!) people to these religious similarities, the more difficult it will be to recruit Islamophobes whose hatred lies on fear of the unknown -- the ones left will just be intense racists towards Arabs and/or Muslims.

    • I think Insan al Kamil is something that isn't even in the Quran; its concepts and ideas that no doubt existed before, and were re used to justify things in the Quran. Just FYI Its been a while since I've dived into the Quran, but this sounds very hadith-ish.

      That said - even aside the point of the basic concept of being 'flawless and perfected', there is nothing in the Quran that shows the other messengers/prophets (atleast moses and Jesus...been a couple of years since i've done serious Quranic reading) to be flawed.

      The example that comes to mind actually goes to Moses. With Moses, the quran is very clear in drawing a distinction between the actions of Bene-Isra'il (Children of Isreal) and Moses. Moses comes off just as 'perfect' and 'flawless' in that regard.

    • Yakov didn't go as far as I thought he would. I would agree that the relationship is different, but not in the way he described.

      The messenger Moses is revered a lot in the Quran. In fact, he (arabic: 'Moo-seh', and, to which muslims should alwy) is the _most recounted messenger of all of them_ (I think he is referenced almost *twice as many times* as the next Messenger...which is Jesus. Surprisingly to most non muslims, the messenger Mohammed is referenced near the bottom of the list)

      So for a muslim to insult Moses thinking of it as 'pay back' just goes to show that he or she hasn't really read the Quran...probably didn't even open it up ;-) Of course, its Goldberg we are dealing with, and he is probably picking out the e-mails that best suit his point...

  • Egyptian President Mursi orders Tantawi to stand down
    • Who knows what the intentions are plans are...but what we know for sure is that the pre-existing apparatus of key decision makers that have ruled the country for decades NEEDS to go (ie: something like Napoleonic exile to an island where they can live the rest of their lives away) for Egypt's uprising to be set on a successful path, otherwise, it will be tainted at its core.

      Removing that high level military structure seems one way to do it... I must say I wonder about the replacement, who is another career general...

      more unanswered questions, but probably a step in the right direction.

  • Settler Marc Zell talks Jewish identity at the King David Hotel
    • I felt the same way when I first heard his voice...Reminded me of a high pitched german ;)

      Anyways, Zell is well spoken, but that doesn't mean a lot of his points had no basis in reality. The way he said it though is as if he believes every little detail of the historical past, and think the 'dirty points' is just the modern day treatment of Arabs.
      How do you break to that mindset?
      I don't think you do. I don't think you can.

      In 'The General's Son', which I read many months back, Miko Peled internally had to fight off fears and misconceptions despite being squarely in the 'Pro-Peace' camp. How do you break through this?

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