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  • Peace demands challenging Israel's exceptionalism
    • American May 13, 2011 at 11:26 pm

      See my other comments.

      Exactly because I want to keep an open mind I don't accept misinformation I know to be incorrect.

      I know the statement made was wrong...regardless of who it came from and I supplied the proof that the CZs were not the financiers of the Russian Jewish immigration..as the statement in question implied. I am puzzled why if the professor is an ardent anti zionist he would make the kind of mistatement he made in relation to the Jewish Russian deal.

      I am aware of the CZs but from what I know they are nowhere near the political force of the Israel Lobby and the Jewish orgs.
      If they were they would be dictating the bills in congress not AIPAC.

      As I said to patm if she can find evidence to show that the CZ are anywhere close to the political money force in congress for Israel as the Jewish orgs are I would be interested in seeing it.
      The CZs are religious groups who donate to charities and etc but can't bundle money for politicial contributions like all the Jewish groups under the AIPAC unbrella can....for that reason alone it is highly improbale that they have the political clout of hundreds of Jewish orgs organized specidically to support Israel do.

      But anyway my original reply was strictly on the statement the professor made...which was not true.

    • American May 13, 2011 at 9:31 pm

      I am not trying to pick on you..though it may sound like that.
      But I just don't accept any info, pro or con Israel or the zionist that I can't verify with some kind of objective source or official record or some kind of proof from somewhere.
      One reason is I don't want to pick up and repeat info that isn't true even if's it's something I would "like to" believe.
      But yes I dismiss Mezvinsky, not because he is a professor but becuase he has to be a bad one if he "didn't know' the facts of the 80's and particulary the 90's US 10 billion dollar deal to resettle the Russian Jews and he should have just kept his mouth shut instead of embrassing himself and putting out misleading info.
      If he is anti zionist maybe he has a hard on for the CZ fanatics and /or wants to absolve the Jews from being the major force behind the US Israeli fetish, I don't know his motive.
      To say some CZ orgs raised money for Jews is one thing but to say the CZ's financed their immigration to the US and Israel is nonsense.
      If that were the case why did the US need to pony up 1o billion?
      If the CZ's were taking care of the Russian Jews why the need for the US to extend and renew the SSI benefits edxtended to the 90's Russian Jews to 2011?
      Why did the Hebrew Immigration Aid Society prevail on congress and not the CZ orgs for continued aid to the immigrants if the CZ were or are the bulk supporters of this?

      "HIAS Urges Congress and Administration Not to Cut Off Elderly and Disabled Refugees from SSI: Exhorts Congress to renew benefit extension - HIAS calls on Congress and the Administration to enact legislation immediately that extends assistance for elderly and disabled refugees, asylees, and other humanitarian immigrants in the United States from the former Soviet Union, Iran and other countries who are dependent on Supplemental Security Income (SSI) to pay for food and shelter.
      And congress did:
      link to govtrack.us

      Post anything you find, I would be interested to see something real on this--but I doubt you find much in outside verified figures on the CZ groups because they are exempt religious groups. But I could be wrong, it's not something I have spent time on--so happy hunting.

    • American May 13, 2011 at 6:51 pm

      Pay attention.
      This is what you said:
      "For example, he states that it was CZ money that paid for the transfer of Russian Jews in the late 80s and early 90s"

      As if it was the CZ that paid for Russian jew resettlement.
      I just showed you that US TAXPAYERS...i.e.... the US GOVERNMENT made loans (then forgiven) to Israel for the resettlement of the Russian Jews....and did it twice. Did you not read the bills authorizing this?
      So he lied....understand?

      I don't know how much private religous fanatics gave to Israel, although I doubt very much it amounted to a billion dollars.

      NOW...if you want to prove something to me..go find a relaible official source...call Mezvinsky and ask him to provide you with data to show that the CZs gave a billion dollars to resettle the Russian Jews. Don't report back to me that Hagee or Roberston or that nutty Kaye woman said that they gave a billion dollars they raised from their TV sob shows and ads for poor Jews to give to Russian Jews resettlement.

      The days of saying this , that and the other and I heard so and so say this that and the other are over....at least for me...because I have seen enough lies on the zionist and Israel subject to choke a horse.

      Want to make a statement and have it accepted?...be able to prove it and back it up....tell Mezvinsky to prove his claim.
      And I don't care if he a zionist or a buddhist or what his agenda is in claiming that CZs were the main financiers of the Russian Jewish resettlement..the fact remains it is a lie.

      If he is a Harvard professor and he doesn't know about the two US government major loans and grants for the immigration of the Russian Jews then he either shouldn't be at any college or he has an agenda to lie about the facts.

      There are two kinds of stupid in the world...those who think they are smarter than anyone else and everyone will believe whatever they say.....and those who think others are smarter than they are and will accept whatever those they consider smarter say.

    • American May 13, 2011 at 3:55 pm

      I don't care who he is...he lied.

      I just gave you the evidence of that and instead of acknowledging it ...you give me back?....a bio on another dime a dozen zionist academic...if we had a dime for every zio academic that lied we could pay off the national debt.

      It really boggles my mind how typical it is that when confronted with the PROVEN facts on anything you mumble around like children with undeveloped minds trying to escape a lie you just told.

    • American May 12, 2011 at 9:53 pm

      ROTFLMAO.......Mezvinski wouldn't be Jewish would he? Your youtubes wouldn't be by Israel activist would they? Don't you know that you have to verify anything said by the zionist...the truth, I promise you, is not in them.

      The US taxpayers supplied that money honey.

      PDF] Israel: U.S. Foreign AssistanceFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
      by CR Mark - Cited by 43 - Related articles
      Aug 20, 2003 ... U.S. government has waived repayment of aid to Israel that originally was ..... guarantees,$9.2 billion in Soviet Jew resettlement loan ...
      opencrs.com/document/IB85066/2003-08-20/download/1005/

      Israel: U.S. Foreign AssistanceFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
      Israel owed the U.S. Government about $10 billion (having paid off the other ..... are for resettling Soviet Jews in Israel. H.R. 4404 passed the House on ...
      pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PCAAA469.pdf

    • American May 12, 2011 at 12:42 pm with 9 replies

      How much did they pay him?

      link to washingtonpost.com

      Rabbi says President Obama’s half brother will press for the release of
      convicted Israeli spy

      By Associated Press, Published: May 11

      JERUSALEM — A spokesman for Israeli chief Rabbi Yonah Metzger says President Barack Obama’s half brother has vowed to press for the release of an American convicted of spying for Israel more than two decades ago.

      Spokesman Avi Blumenthal said Wednesday that Metzger met with Mark Ndesandjo last week during a hushed visit to Israel.

      Blumenthal said Ndesandjo, who was born to a Jewish mother, was visiting Israel to “discover his roots.”

      He said Ndesandjo promised to ask Obama to free Jonathan Pollard, in prison since 1985 serving a life sentence for passing secrets to Israel as a
      civilian analyst for the U.S. Navy.

      Pollard’s supporters believe the punishment was too harsh, as the U.S. and Israel share information, and more serious offenders have received lighter sentences.

  • The Weisenfeld psycho-bio: Holocaust/toughness/insensitivity
  • Palestinians fight to preserve Lifta, as Israeli developers seek to build luxury housing on the village's remains
    • American May 12, 2011 at 3:29 am

      I believe this sums it up.

      Writer I.F. Stone presciently wrote:

      In the outside world, the welfare of Jewry depends on the maintenance of secular, non-racial, pluralistic societies.

      In Israel, Jewry finds itself defending a society in which mixed marriages cannot be legalized, in which non-Jews have a lesser status than Jews, and in which the ideal is racist and exclusivist."

      'Jewish Exceptionalism'..... the problem is just too obvious and replusive when you boil it down to it's hypocritical essence.

  • Pizzarotti should follow in Deutsche Bahn's footsteps
    • American May 11, 2011 at 5:07 pm

      The most important aspect of this to me was the German's government's decisions to withdraw Deutsche Bahn from the Israeli project.
      That was huge.
      And huge that they based it on ..1) international law ...and 2) political sensitivity..meaning public opinion.
      Proof that the activist BDS is working on governments.....people are having an effect on governments.....if not on the US government.
      But it will work in the US eventually....one day supporting Israel will be the kiss of death for a US politician....and we need to make that happen sooner rather than later.

      link to ft.com

      ''According to a letter sent by Germany’s ministry for transport to a member of parliament, the operator faced criticism for its involvement from the government itself:
      “The federal government pointed out to Deutsche Bahn that the project of the Israeli state railway is problematic from a foreign policy point of view and potentially breaches international law,” it said.
      The letter added that the German operator confirmed “in writing” that there would be no further involvement of its international subsidiary in “this politically very sensitive project”.''

    • American May 11, 2011 at 4:56 pm

      LOL...good one.

  • Israel admits to forcing 140,000 Palestinians from the West Bank using administrative trick
    • American May 11, 2011 at 2:26 pm with 2 replies

      I keep trying to figure out how the 'Jewish refuge' will end because I don't see how it can last.
      The only support in the world Israel has is US politicians, the US zionist and a few abroad, and the German politicians, and not all of them .... that's it, that's all it's got.
      It's not an exaggeration to say that 90% of the world and 90% of the world's other governments are fed up with Israel.

      Perhaps it's possible that Israel can continue the creeping, one step just this side of genocide, swallowing of Palestine until it's gone but there are problems in that success. First Egypt and Jordon aren't going to want to have to take in millions of Palestinians ---even in a slow dribble. Second, if Israel does swallow Palestine and take in the Palestines it would really be an apartheid state writ large and how long could that last. An apartheid state means Israel would get cut off in a way that would make the current BDS look mild. Third, Israel, in time, would eventually face it's own Arab Spring Revolt from it's Palestine underclass.

      Nope, I don't see it ever lasting no matter how gradually their goal is implemented with actions like those shown in this article. The bottom line is the Israel 'goal' will not be sustainable 'long term' even if they achieve it. If they win now, they lose later. And when that happens there won't be any world sympathy or support to pick them up and put them on their feet again.

  • Exhibit C(UNY): How the lobby works
    • American May 11, 2011 at 3:15 pm with 1 replies

      Wiesenfeld made a huge RACIST statement.
      How many others have lost careers, job and positions for doing that?.......Plenty...happens all the time.

      If he doesn't step down or isn't removed all public funding to the college should be stopped.

      The pressure should be applied to city and state officials and politicians.
      That's where I would create a stink....especially with local politicians.
      If CUNY wants to keep Wiesenfeld--let Wiesenfeld and his cronies make up the public funds out of their own pockets.

  • How the 'temporary weave' of Zionism is starting to fray at the edges
    • American May 16, 2011 at 1:25 am

      That unfortunately is exactly what Dkos does......
      I use to read there until I became replused by their Stepford progressives.

  • For 40 years Israel practiced deceit in its purported plans for Palestinian autonomy (and that deceit required a partner)
    • American May 10, 2011 at 1:12 pm

      " [Ya’acov Ahimeir, formerly Washington correspondent]: but you policy is rejected by Washington. From experience I can tell you that there is not one U.S. Senator, or Administration official who will accept the imposition of Israeli law [i.e. annexation] in the West Bank. "

      I wish that were true today. But the fact is congress has become even more corrupted re Israel since 1977.
      A lot of senators and congressmen would not ony accept annexation but actively work to see it happen. We have some former and current and politicians and officials that even promote the transfer of the Palestines like Brownback and Bolton.
      Take a look at what is going on now---congress is working overtime to see that a Palestine State never happens---because they are well aware that would mean the end of Israel's expansion and land and resources grabs.

  • Big victory for BDS movement
    • American May 10, 2011 at 1:24 pm

      If there are any Jews on here under the age of 36 your opinion is wanted.

      Tell us why AIPAC doesn't represent you!
      [ link to salsa.democracyinaction.org ]
      * *
      We are writing to tell you about a new word, "bluewashing."

      *bluewash.* (verb): "the use of Jewish culture, religion, and heritage to try to cover up human rights abuses of Palestinians, while endangering the lives of Jews in Israel and around the world."

      To those of us who are GLBTQ, this is nothing new -- Israel has been using sexuality in its propaganda to hide the occupation, in what we call "pinkwashing." It's time to see through the hype and speak out against "bluewashing" as Jews.

      One of the worst offenders in bluewashing is AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. AIPAC purports to be the "pro-Israel lobby", but is in fact a powerful lobby for weapons manufacturers. AIPAC wields political power through cloaking itself in Jewishness, giving many, including our Congresspeople, the incorrect impression that it speaks for all Jewish Americans.

      As young Jewish Americans we are stating publicly that this is not true: AIPAC does not speak for us. We hope you will join us in *bringing this message to AIPAC as part of the upcoming Move Over AIPAC gathering May 21-24 in Washington, DC.* [ link to salsa.democracyinaction.org ] In addition to AIPAC's die-hard supporters, AIPAC's conference going on at the same time will include more than 1,000 college students representing over 300 campuses from all 50 states. Young, Jewish, and Proud will be part of a coalition of poets, artists, well-known activists and authors, and over 100 peace and justice groups in DC to make sure AIPAC can't "bluewash" these students.

      In Egypt, in Tunisia, in "Arab Spring" revolutions the righteous and understandable demand was "Leave!" Ours is to "move over!" We are gathering to shout: Move over AIPAC and recognize our diverse Jewish communities and identities for what they are! We are Young, Jewish, and Proud and we won't let AIPAC "bluewash" furthering the Israeli Occupation and denying human rights to Palestinians.
      [ link to salsa.democracyinaction.org ]

      To show this visually, we ask you-- young proud Jews-- to join us in sharing what makes you YJP and why AIPAC doesn't represent you. *Take your picture wearing blue and fill out the simple sentences: "I'm Young, Jewish, and Proud because...[say why] and AIPAC doesn't represent me." * [ link to salsa.democracyinaction.org ] Whether you can join us in DC or not, we will bring your images and your words to AIPAC, for their conference in Washington, DC. For those of you who do not identify as young (up to age 36), proud Jews: we will have an action coming soon for you to show your support. Please pass this email on to any young, proud Jews you know

  • Egyptian FM: George Washington & Mandela were also considered terrorists and Iran is not our enemy...
    • American May 10, 2011 at 12:24 am

      Of course Washington was considered a traitor to the King and the colonist were considered terrorist and rebels.
      Happy to see some in the ME are catching on as to how to phrase the truth so it will appeal to the American people and they can identity with Palestines and other struggling Arabs.

  • Shoe is now on Wiesenfeld's foot
    • American May 10, 2011 at 12:33 am

      I am curious about one thing....Wiesenfeld and his fellow travelers have been doing this same thing to people forever...but for what reason did this time spark such outrage?

      Is it a sign of change or was because this time it happened to be Kushner?

      I doubt this will stop them from going after others but it will be interesting to see if future attacks on other individuals generate the same outrage.

  • Suicide, fratricide, accidents are top causes of Israeli soldier deaths
  • As Nakba Day approaches, Israeli troops 'conquer' a simulated Arab village
    • American May 9, 2011 at 1:32 am with 1 replies

      This is hysterical.......these 'marriages of convience' between politicos, chistian zios and the real zionistas .. when they all have actual different agendas always leads to really nasty divorces sooner or later.

      "After all he’s done for Israel, Mike Huckabee does not appreciate being criticized for comparing American debt to the Holocaust. Thus on Tuesday, when the Anti-Defamation League’s Abraham Foxman chastised him for doing just that, he responded with anger and a hint of menace, saying, “Israel and Jewish people need to make friends, not insult the ones they have."

      link to thedailybeast.com

    • American May 9, 2011 at 1:19 am

      Contrast the zionist obsession with expelling Palestines and defeating all their 'enemies" with these examples:

      When Israel had their huge fires, in their entire country they didn't have the necessary equipment to put their fires out and had to call on other countries to do it.

      And this:

      Israeli airlines are almost totally grounded due to contaminated fuel and Israel doesn't even have a lab capable of testing the fuel to find out what the contaminant is and had ask the US to do it for them , but the US refused so now they have approached 3 other countries to do it for them.
      link to haaretz.com

      And then contrast these two things to Israel now saying they are going to spend 1 billion on their "Iron Dome".

      The pro Israelis are always bragging about Israel's accomplishments. One article over the AIPC site says Israel invented the 'cell phone' when everyone knows the cell phone was invented by Martin Cooper at Motorola a day ahead of Bell Labs USA....and yet they don't even have a lab to test their jet fuel?

      Israel reminds me of a Hollywood set where there is nothing behind the set, it's an illlusion.
      When you peek behind the door there no real there there in terms of a country actually capable of taking care of itself domestically, everything is about making war and explioting the holocuast.
      This a house of straw and one good wind like losing the US could blow it all away.

      And the politicians in DC have caught the same disease and are fast making the US just like that...one slip between the money they spend and what they able to borrow abroad and it's curtains for the US.....and then for Israel.

  • Palestinian state could pose legal tsunami to occupier
    • American May 10, 2011 at 1:40 am

      But the normal situation for “belligerent occupation” is by one country (in the UN, let’s say) of another (ditto). Occupation after war is normal and this will change nothing"

      Actually everything would change at least legally... where Israel would be ruined is in the Geneva Accords which I am sure Palestine would sign onto as a member state if they gained Statehood.

      Under international law an occupier CANNOT transfer it's own population into any of the occupied territory (or transfer any of the occupied territories population out of the area) much less annex any land gained in war.....so right there, if referred to the ICC, Israel would lose everything and every settler they have put into Palestine, for instance,--in the West Bank, about 250,00 settlers--and they would lose all claims to anything they built there---plus they would lose access to any resources like the WB aquifers and wells they now control.
      It's a long road to doing that but I have no doubt that Palestine would refer it to the ICC and the ICC would rule in Palestine favor because the ICC would go strictly by the Geneva Accords of international law governing all aspects of war and conflicts.

      I can think of about half a dozen violations of the Accords Israel could wind up in the International Criminal Court for. The only reason they haven't so far is that Palestine had no legal standing as a state and therefore coudn't sign on as a member of the Accords and bring it before the ICC-- although the ICC has ruled on several illegalities concerning Israel put before them by EU -- like their wall. In international court Israel wouldn't have a leg to stand on..no matter what Israel gave as a reason or justification; war security, etc...it woudn't matter .... they would be in violation regardless because they in fact have violated all the rules governing occupation as a result of war.

      If Palestine gains statehood Israel is going to head down a road where they have two choices....get out of Palestine or eventually be sent to the ICC.

      You can down load the text of all the Accords here:

      link to icrc.org

    • American May 9, 2011 at 5:37 am with 1 replies

      "Instead of being the legitimate administrator of the area pending a decision about its final status, we will be considered the illegal occupiers of a UN-member state." ..

      Yes!......go for Statehood Palestine, do not stop to negotiate with Isrmerica.
      That is your only chance, Isrmerica is a dead end road, don't take it.

  • Lobbying for Syrian dictatorship, Israel leaves no doubt about its support for counterrevolution in Arab world
    • American May 8, 2011 at 9:15 pm

      Yea... a lot of stuff is bound to be going on out of sight so almost any comment we make is really guessing.
      The US may be up to it's old tricks in Syria.
      The only thing I will say that isn't a guess is the Arabs in the ME states involved are wise to our tricks now.

  • Israeli gov't funds group fighting 'miscegenation marriages'
    • American May 8, 2011 at 9:05 pm

      I thoght I read somewhere that the Kahanist were outlawed or listed as a terrorist group in Israel.

  • 'Geronimo EKIA'-- as Indian wars continue in Palestine
    • American May 9, 2011 at 4:42 am

      OMG...
      I just love you religious fruitcakes...you use a source that is a Calvinist writing about the glories of the Calvinist founding of America to support your claim that Puritans and Episcopalians were the same with Calvinist thrown in?

      Why do I feel like I have mistakenly walked in on a reunion of incest descendants in this conversation?

      Oh well, let us go with the official logs of religious affiliations in the early colonist.

      Religious Affiliation of U.S. Founding Fathers and America

      Episcopalian/Anglican 88 ...54%
      Presbyterian 30 ....18.6%
      Congregationalist 27 .....16.8%
      Quaker 7 4....3%
      Dutch Reformed/German Reformed 6 3....7%
      Lutheran 5 3....1%
      Catholic 3 1.....9%
      Huguenot 3 1....9%
      Unitarian 3 1....9%
      Methodist 2 1....2%
      Calvinist 1 0.....6%
      TOTAL 204
      link to adherents.com

      And the differences between the Episcopalians, which were Anglican then, and the Puritans and the Calvinist...and as you can see, considered separate from Episcopalian.

      Anglicans-
      The Church of England sprung from the English Reformation in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. Like Roman Catholicism, it kept its hierarchy of bishops and priests, but like Calvinism it held that the Holy Scripture was the final authority on spiritual matters, not popes or any clergy. Anglicans also believed that the church could err in its teachings (also unlike Roman Catholicism). It was considered a middle way between Roman Catholicism and Reformed Churches.
      Anglicans were a major force in parts of New York, Pennsylvania, the mid-Atlantic states and in the southern states, especially Virginia. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and James Monroe were all raised Anglican.

      Calvinists -
      The Calvinists included Puritans, Presbyterians, Baptists, Congregationalists and other reformed churches. Essentially, Calvinists did not believe that true Christianity should retain a pope or official bishops. Pastors could serve in the capacity of minor church authorities. The also believed that salvation was entirely through God and that humans were sinners and that there was nothing they could do to change that.
      Much of New England was Calvinist in some capacity throughout the 18th-Century. Benjamin Franklin and John Adams grew up in Calvinist homes although both would renounce that form of Christianity in later years (Franklin by the age of 15, and Adams as an adult).
      link to earlyamericanhistory.net

      The only thing the Calvinist in America had in common with the Episcopalians was the holy scripture which was common to almost every religion. Calvinist were considered close to Puritans --not the Episcopalians, which were closer to the Roman Catholic since Queen Elizabeth.

      Now we could go back Queen Elizabeth and the blip of Calvinist that failed but that has nothing to do with the religious makeup of the colonist and the original argument that America was Founded on chosen people ad nauseum.

      Now if you want to cite any sources for your claim that aren't religious followers writing favorable and mythical narrative about their religion in America and the colonist and our founding give them to me. Until then I will stick with the official recordings of the time....not the religious fanatics and the theology can of worms. I don't consider anything written by a particular religious member regarding his religion's place in early America to be the most accurate or creditable sources and they end up contridicting each other.

    • American May 9, 2011 at 3:05 am

      I can't make much sense out of your reply.

      But I did click on your site and now knowing your background and Iranian origins I see why you are for any meme that makes Big Satan like little Satan......even though it's inaccurate and not something a experienced or mature or serious debater would do .
      Your real area of concern is Iran vr. the US and Israel...and your resentment of the US threats to Iran because of Israel....and because of that you did an amateur thing and scooped up some crapology history to link USA to ISR.

      If after seeing the display you made here, were I now to listen to anything you said on Iran I would have to be careful about your objectivity and truthfulness on that also and wonder if you are so sloppy about US history and willing to use such ridiculous sources--if you might not be just as sloppy on your statements on Iran.

      I understand you are a musician and etc. but you need to learn not to co-mingle fact and fiction because of your own "emotional" leanings or personal issue , and attach them to an entirely different subject.

      BTW...Babble cock is southern slang. Closely related to "Sillybub", which was a early American-English settler concoction of every kind of wine available thrown into one punch bowl on top of assorted fruits...sort of like the sources you presented here where you claim one peach fruit tossed in the mix made the punch 'peach' punch...despite all the other fruits in the punch.
      LOL

    • American May 9, 2011 at 12:00 am

      Very good and well put.

    • American May 8, 2011 at 8:41 pm

      I have to say you also if not debase it, take away from it, despite what good intentions you might have, with false jingo statements and comparing yester-year with today.
      Maybe you have a personal thing about what happened to the American Indians, a lot of people do, but this 2011 not 1800.
      Maybe you have the Chomsky syndrome, a fixation on e.v.e.r.y.t.h.i.n.g that ever happend in the world being America's fault.
      Whatever....
      The bottom line is what Israel is doing TODAY has nothing to with what Americans did in 1800.
      You can say it is similar, but even that is a waste of time and totally pointless because it adds absolutely nothing to converations about stopping it.
      So let me ask.....what was your point or goal in comparing early America to Israel's I/P?
      What was your point is trying to say the reason for the foundings of both countries was the same?
      Is there some point there that is pertinent to I/P today?
      Except to say we did it too......400 years ago.

    • American May 8, 2011 at 8:16 pm with 11 replies

      Your 'cursory examination " is exactly that cursory.
      ROTFLMAO.
      Let's do look at your grab bag of examples:

      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      In his essay, ‘The Right to Expel: The Bible and Ethnic Cleansing’ (included in Palestinian Refugees: The Right of Return, ed. Naseer Aruri; London: Pluto, 2001), Reverend Michael Prior notes:
      “Many Puritan preachers referred to the Native Americans as Amalekites and Canaanites, who, if they refused to be converted, were worthy of annihilation. Thus Cotton Mather, author of Magnalia Christi Americana (1702), delivered a sermon in Boston in September 1689, charging the members of the armed forces in New England to consider themselves to be Israel in the wilderness, confronted by Amalek: pure Israel was obliged to ‘cast out [the Indians] as dirt in the streets’ and ‘eliminate and exterminate them.’”
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      Again your doing the Puritans thing and quoting preachers as if all colonist believed as the Puritans did.

      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The excellent scholarship of Professor Steven Salaita is instructive. He describes the American ideology of Manifest Destiny as the process of “wresting Edenic land from savages in the name of prophesy and progress,” and (as but one example) reveals this lovely statement from Founding Father John Adams: “The Indians are as bigoted to their religion as the Mohametans [sic] are to their Koran.” As such, Salaita explains, “[t]he goal of America followed logically,” and again quotes Adams: “Apathy, barbarism, and heathenism must give way to energy, civilization, and Christianity.”
      Salaita has also pointed to the connections made by Uri Avnery in his 2001 article “AMERICA! AMERICA! or: The Height of Chutzpah” regarding “the identification of the Zionist enterprise with the foundations of America”:
      “The Puritans who founded American society believed in the Bible, knew Hebrew, bore Biblical names, saw themselves as the ‘New Israel’, called their country the ‘New Canaan’, justified the annihilation of the Natives with the Biblical injunction against Amalek. The Zionist ‘pioneers’ resemble the white settlers in America, the bad Palestinians are a new version of the ‘Bad Injuns.’”
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      Once again basing it on the Puritans..and you screwed the pooch with quoting Adams. Adams left the Congregationalist church and privately rejected organized religion except that he saw it as a useful tool to keeping "social order" in the new country and he religions only in the social sense of church going. So to say his reference to the Indians had much of anything to do with 'chosen people' of God or manifest destiny shows you and our source haven't studied Adams.

      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      Caroline Gleason, in her examination of the 17th Century writing of Mary Rowlandson (wife of a Massachusetts Bay Colony minister and who “belie[ved] that the Puritans were the chosen people of God”), provides the following contextual history:
      The founding Puritans based their concept of divine providence on a special covenant with God. John Winthrop, in “A Modell of Christian Charity,” expressed the belief that the Puritans were the chosen people of God. In 1630, when Winthrop spoke to Puritan colonists sailing to the New World on the ship Arbelia, he referred to God as “Our God” and to the Puritans as “his oune people.” He reminded his fellow colonists: “We are entered into Covenant with Him. … wee shall be as a citty upon a hill. The eies of all people are uppon us.” Winthrop believed that the Puritans had a duty to fulfill their covenant with God by serving as an example of an ideal Christian community to the world. In return, God would protect his chosen people. In “God’s Promise to His Plantations,” John Cotton, one of Winthrop’s contemporaries, explained that “what hee [God] hath planted he will maintain … his owne plantation shall prosper, & flourish.” Cotton urged Puritans to “Have speciall care that you have had the ordinances [of God] planted amongst you,” because “As soon as God’s ordinances cease, yor security ceaseth likewise.” Cotton warned his fellow Puritans that breaking the covenant with God would result in a loss of his protection for his chosen.
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      Again, again, again with the Puritans and ministers and religious as the voice for all the settlers.

      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
      Furthermore, Roy H. May, Jr., drawing from the anthology “God’s New Israel: Religious Interpretations of American Destiny” (ed. Conrad Cherry, 1971), notes:
      Promised Land imagery figured prominently in shaping English colonial thought. The pilgrims identified themselves with the ancient Hebrews. They viewed the New World as the New Canaan. They were God’s chosen people headed for the Promised Land. Other colonists believed they, too, had been divinely called. The settlers in Virginia were, John Rolf said, “a peculiar people, marked and chosen by the finger of God.”
      This self-image of being God’s Chosen People called to establish the New Israel became an integral theme in America’s self-interpretation. During the revolutionary period, it emerged with new force. “We cannot but acknowledge that God hath graciously patronized our cause and taken us under his special care, as he did his ancient covenant people,” Samuel Langdon preached at Concord, New Hampshire in 1788. George Washington was the “American Joshua,” and “Never was the possession of arms used with more glory, or in a better cause, since the days of Joshua, the son of Nun,” Ezra Stiles urged in Connecticut in 1783. In 1776, Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson wanted Promised Land images for the new nation’s Great Seal. Franklin proposed Moses dividing the Red (Reed) Sea with Pharaoh’s army being overwhelmed by the closing waters. Jefferson urged a representation of the Israelites being led in the wilderness by the pillar of fire by night and the cloud by day. Later, in his second inaugural address (1805), Jefferson again recalled the Promised Land. “I shall need…the favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our fathers, as Israel of old, from their native land and planted them in a country flowing with all the necessities and comforts of life.”
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      John Rolf said that about the BRITISH...LOL...he was saying that BRITISH settlers, emphasise on BRITISH, part of the BRITISH idea of their own superior talents in the colonies.
      Gads....you should do your research before using this stuff you pick up from sites like these that cherry pick some statement but don't reveal the entire meaning or explain what it was really about.

      Jefferson urged a representation of the Israelites being led in the wilderness by the pillar of fire by night and the cloud by day. ...
      http://www.christianforums.com › ... › Traditional Adventists

      John Rolf said, “a peculiar people, marked and chosen by the finger of God.”
      link to gbgm-umc.org

      Everything you have here is a collection of quotes of by Puritans, minister, the religious and etc.. You can find thousands of articles of this pop history stuff, mainly by evangelicals, zios and other assorted religious fanatics..as you just done.
      Do you even understand or have even done the research into official records to know that 55% of the original settlers were Episcopalian (Church of England) adherents? And that the Puritans had revolted against and renounced the Church of England
      and were much less in number than Episcopalians---and yet you try to say this minority that had one colony they semi controlled out of thirteen colonies somehow were responsible for Founding America and that their beliefs were what this country was established on despite the majority.
      Bizarre, just bizarre..
      To say America was FOUNDED on the Puritans and religious beliefs or religious groups is like saying the recent Egyptian revolution was because of the 'Muslim Brotherhood' instead a popular revolt by the majority against economic inequality and political repression.

      People like you and Taylor grab on to some small part of something and because of whatever your agenda or personal gripe is, you blow it up to into some false "Center Piece" for your argument or theories.

      You both really need to read some real factual history. If you want to understand the primary motivating forces for immigration to America, why they cam, what they thought ,not just the religious fringe babble cock, start with the facts as recorded at the time as they were happening in the words of those involved.

      This would be a good start but I know I am wasting my time...people like you are going to cling to whatever suits their agenda or personal preferences despite what the facts say.

      link to pickeringchatto.com
      The English Empire in America, 1602–1658:
      Beyond Jamestown

    • American May 8, 2011 at 4:07 pm

      Exactly Rutherford...you are correct.

    • American May 8, 2011 at 3:51 pm with 5 replies

      Is there some point in comparing American (or others) conquest of the 1600 and 1800's to the Israeli conquest of the 1900's and 2o11?

      As if civilized thought and societies have not advanced in between?
      As if there was no Nuremberg, no UN, no Declaration of Human Rights, no universal recognition of genocides, no Geneva Accords, no Rome statutes, no condemnation of countries abuse of their people.

      Except to say... look mommy, Johnny did it too..so he's just as bad as me...or I am just as right as he was..or if he could do it so can I".
      It's a stupid argument actually....

    • American May 8, 2011 at 3:12 pm

      Again with the Puritians?
      So you think the Puritians "founded" America?
      See my comments above.

    • American May 8, 2011 at 3:08 pm

      anonymouscomments,,

      That's not what I am commenting on.

      My sole point was that the claim that America and Israel were both "Founded" for the same reason and on same beliefs of 'promised land, manifest destiny and chosen people' is false.
      It wasn't.
      And I have cited evidence to point out this wasn't true.
      Anyone who wants to prove it to their own satisfaction and delve into it more needs to actually study history and the statements and documents and writings AT THE TIME OF AMERICA'S FOUNDING.

      There are always 'revisions" to history by those seeking a new idea or new gimmick to promote some agenda or just to get attention or sell books by 'discovering' some new twist or great 'new' theory. Most of these efforts are laughable and only succeed because a lot of people are truely ignorant of their own history AS IT HAPPENED AND WAS and instead of real history they base it on Hollywood or read popular books, and if whatever interperation or idea it puts forth appeals to them them they accept it as true.....even though it isn't or is only someone's "interperation" of what something meant. If we had a nickle for every version of history that isn't factual history but just someone's opinion and interperation of some event or word we could pay off the national debt.

    • American May 8, 2011 at 2:41 pm

      Exactly MRW.

      People who keep using this analogy are ignorant of history and/or fall for some current zio or religious fanatic meme about our "Founding" and start using in their arguments because they know no better or have a religious or zio agenda.

      The "manifest destiny' was as you say a creation of the 1800's for US expansion into the west for enrichment. It was not an idea or the reasoning of the original "Founding" or Founders or Settlers.
      George Washingotn had come and gone long before the term manifest destiny appeared.

      "Chosen people" appears no where in our original "founding"
      All the promoters of Americans seeing themselves as 'chosen people' use one thing for their argument-- the Puritans statement that immigrating to America was their "covenant with God" to claim that as the reason it makes the "founding" of America the same as the reason for Israel's creation. In particular, every zio promotion of America's founding being the same as Israel's, is based on this 'covenant with God' by the Puritians and assorted quotes by Whitley and other Puritian preachers and adherents.

      In the first document of the "Founding", the Declaration of Independence, there is no reference to anything remotely religious except the mention of "divine providence", meaning that they hope by God's grace their efforts would succeed. If you are an atheist divine providence simply means "by good luck" or hope we are lucky in this.

      Using a small group of religious fanatics like the Puritans, who were not representative of the majority of settlers is where this false history and meme comes from.
      First, they weren't the original settlers, didn't even arrive until 1620 , 13 years after the establishment of Jamestown in 1607, 33 years after the first failed attempt at a colony by England and Sir Walter Raleigh at Roanoke Island.

      Anyone who can read the three 'Founding" documents...the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation and the Constitution and come away saying that America was "FOUNDED' on 'manifest destiny' and the idea of 'chosen people' is seriously handicapped.

      This current "revision" of American history is nothing but the long standing efforts of the US religious fanatics and the more recent efforts of Israeli zios to project a narrative into history that suits their agendas.

    • American May 7, 2011 at 9:40 pm

      You made the statement and the claim...YOU back it up.

      I want to see an actual quote or writing or document from the 1600's by the original settlers and leaders that calls the new immigrants 'the chosen people" and America the promised land and declares our manifest destiny.

      Go on....find it...I'll wait.
      Or call your old professor and ask him where he got it from.

    • American May 7, 2011 at 4:45 pm with 80 replies

      Oh gawd...here we go again.

      "Both the U.S. and the modern state of Israel were founded on an ideology of a promised land for a chosen people, and to hell with the natives'.

      Enough with the bullshit already. Yes, we did genocide the natives.
      You can't say enough bad things about what we did to the Indians to suit me. I totally agree --so have at it.

      But leave off the idiotic tripe about the US being founded on the premise of the "promised land for a chosen people."
      It's utter bullshit. Enough of us on here who actually know about the original immigrants to America and are students of history have demolished that bit of propaganda time after time.

  • Obama's to-do list: Free Pollard in May so he can travel safely to Israel in June
    • American May 9, 2011 at 3:17 pm

      I have no idea what Obama will do on Pollard.
      After studying O for 4 years every time I think I see some there there.....pouff, it disappears!

      Releasing Pollard might be good...if O does it before the election and it becomes a campign issue..."If' it would even become a campaign issue..."If" the media even menitoned it..."If" the repubs were willing to ditch the lobby to use it against Obama.....all of which is doubtful.

      But O is really in campaign mode already.....I heard him say today that he 'didn't lose any sleep' over killing Osama.....so he's manning up with the tough guy persona.

    • American May 9, 2011 at 2:55 pm

      I don't know, I think Jeff was referring to a specific group.
      The reason some don't alway use 'some' is probably because
      a lot of what we are talking about is 'allowed" and encouraged by the State of Israel.....even if some Israelis object to it.

  • Israel bars 6 Gaza hairstylists from attending convention in West Bank
    • American May 7, 2011 at 1:48 pm with 3 replies

      Gaza Hairstylist barred from convention?

      Petty - definition of ;
      Marked by meanness or lack of generosity, especially in trifling matters. 2 of a narrow-minded, mean, or small-natured disposition or character. The character of being petty; smallness; littleness; triviality. Suggests a contemptible meanness or unkindness of character or conduct; low standards, jealousy, dishonorable.

      So revealing and ..ridiculous.

      It reminds me of when the US Treasury Sec. at the urging of the Cuban cabal in congress Ros-Lehtinen, Menendez and Wasserman had the Sheraton Hotel in Mexico throw out a visiting delegation of Cuban businessmen hotel guest.

      "Oct 29, 2009 ... U.S. Treasury Evicts Cubans from Sheraton Hotel in Mexico City ... from doing business with Cuban interests in any part of the world and .... U.S.-owned hotel that angered many Mexicans when it kicked out a Cuban ...
      http://www.democraticunderground.com › Discuss - Cached - Similar"

      And what is really funny is that Israel does business with and has Israeli owned businesses in Cuba with nary a word of censure from the US.
      link to thewashingtonnote.com

      The pettiness, the hypocrisy.....it's enough to gag a horse.

  • Benno Schmidt signals Kushner will get degree-- even as he sidles up to Wiesenfeld's racist statements
    • American May 7, 2011 at 12:01 pm

      Homeland Security has given them that amount every year since 911....out of something like 275 organizations that get funds, 253 of them are Jewish oganizations....19 million is 2/3 of the entire HSD budget for domestic groups for security.

      In other vein......another example of having to pick up the bill for Israel..

      "EU covers Israel’s suspended tax money to PA
      May 6, 2011

      (JTA) -- The European Union approved an extra $124 million in emergency aid to the Palestinians to supplement tax moneys frozen by Israel.

      "It is important that access to essential public services remains uninterrupted and the right to social services is respected," Reuters on Friday quoted Catherine Ashton, the E.U. foreign policy chief, as saying.

      Israel stopped payment this week on $105 million in owes the Palestinian Authority on customs duties and other taxes because of the unity agreement the P.A.'s Fatah Party signed with Hamas, a banned terrorist group.

      The E.U. money would go to essential employees and to families in need"

      Money,money,money...it's always money. If it were even possible to ferret out and add up all the money they have gotten from the world everyone's head would explode.

    • American May 7, 2011 at 1:46 am

      @ Citizen,

      Very interesting article....very convincing.

    • American May 7, 2011 at 1:24 am with 10 replies

      I would call this sort of worshiping death.....more like capitalizing on death really.

      New Israeli ID cards to commemorate Holocaust dead
      Published May 05, 2011
      Associated Press

      – Israel is unveiling new identity cards for its citizens that will commemorate the Jews killed in the Nazi Holocaust of World War II.
      The serial numbers will begin at 6 million, the number of Jews who perished in the genocide. The new cards, to be introduced in the coming months, will also include six Stars of David, representing the 6 million victims.
      Baruch Dadon, head of the new ID card project in Israel's Interior Ministry, said a government committee tasked with planning the updated, biometric cards came up with the idea to incorporate Holocaust symbolism into the design.
      "We haven't forgotten them," said Dadon of the Holocaust victims. "They are with us ... and they will be with us in the future."

  • The upshot of the Kushner muzzling
    • American May 6, 2011 at 11:09 pm with 1 replies

      Got to say I am surprised Ed Koch got on the right side of this...maybe he is wising up.
      Now I want to see all the Jews who defended Tony....defend the next gentile or Arab the zios smear.
      Some of them have in the past but not nearly enough...always more condemning than defending in those cases.
      I am thinking of how the much defamed W&M went to such lengths to be kind to the Jewish community as a whole whereas Tony just let the zios have it..LOL.

    • American May 6, 2011 at 10:41 pm

      Here's the bottom line....

      There are some abused children who grow up to abuse children.
      There are some abused who grow to become advocates and protectors of the abused.
      Same with the boy who sees his dad beat his mom and grows up to beat his own wife and another boy who sees and experiences the same and vows to never be like that.
      Same with the poor boy who makes good and woudln't give a dime to a starving bum becuase if he made it anyone could......while the other poor boy made good gives his riches to the unfortunate because he remembers his own struggles.
      Same with some holocaust people who want violence and revenge and killing as opposed to those who experienced the same and yet become committed to preventing anyone experiencing the same thing they did.

      But how do we explain the zionist and Israelis today, most of whom never experienced anything of the sort personally and yet are the most blood thirsty.
      How do we explain some Jews who were raised on hate and distrust of the 'other' rebelling against that belief...while others embrace it and make it their identity.

      It's in the individual. Some people demand compassion for themselves and their feelings but have none for others.

      And that is why clenchner's argument below doesn't work for the real world....because they are exceptions in people to the same experience.
      Compassion without justice is just as meaningless as justice without compassion.

    • American May 6, 2011 at 10:16 pm

      Well that sounds nice and cozy but it doesn't apply to what we are discussing.
      Convicted murderers, may escaped the death penalty due to mi gators efforts to 'round out their past"..BUT...they still go to prison to pay for their crimes. Compassion does not mean that someone doesn't have to face justice for their crime, it may just mean the criminal doesn't pay the ultimate price...that being his life or a life sentence. There are many cases where that should be applied but it doesn't fit zionist case.

      To accept the Israeli supporters excuses of the 'holocaust made me/them do it" we would have to find them legally insane....incapable of understanding right from wrong by reason of mental or emotional defect.
      In which case they would still be 'put away' for the good of society, because they are a danger to others and as justice for their victim.
      99% of violent offenders have some 'reason' for being the way they are....but we don't let them take their sickness out on others.
      This legal accommodation is called civilization.
      Also why I often refer to zionistas as being batshit crazy.

      A Palestine who has been imprisoned, or seen his child shot, home destroyed and or been humiliated day after day, after day for years and years might have a shot at claiming insanity or temporary insanity in killing some settler or Israeli.
      An Israeli settler or IDF with all the power and protection ,or worse yet some pasty assed US zionist who never set foot near a holocaust, killing or lusting after destroying a Palestine just because they are Palestine doesn't have leg to stand on with the 'compassion' defense.

      There is an old saying that "your rights end where mine begin"..that's a lesson the zionist and their apologist have yet to learn.....but they will learn it eventually.

    • American May 6, 2011 at 4:32 pm with 6 replies

      I also have to say every time this moral equivalence meme starts I think about serial killer Ted Bundy's attorney's court defense of his murders....which was that Ted was mentally and emotionally damaged because his Mommy didn't love him and that's why he took it out on and killed women.

      Well, that didn't fly for Bundy and this whining that we should allow for the Jewish trauma of the holocaust in excusing or even understanding what the Israelis and their supporters are doing in Palestine , to Palestines, doesn't fly either.

      Not all people whose Mommies didn't love them enough go out and slaughter women...so the fault is in the person or people who do.

    • American May 6, 2011 at 4:19 pm with 5 replies

      I am still stuck on the "moral equivalence' bit.
      In fact I am so tired of hearing this I am going to settle it.

      On one side we have the Palestines whose land was overrun by Jews who did indeed do everything possible in 1948 to terrorize and run them off their own land and the Palestines are resisting, some violently and some not, the Israelis and their occupation and land confiscation.

      On the other side we have the Jews who claim because no one has ever liked them and because of the holocaust they must have their own nation on land they say God gave them..and they are killing people and taking the land of people who had nothing to do with the Jews problems or holocaust by using overwhelming violence and collective punishment.

      There is no 'moral equivalence'...the Jews and Israel are wrong, period.

  • Why did Wiesenfeld's 'unhinged tribalism' command instant assent from powerful board?
    • American May 6, 2011 at 11:35 pm

      I am tempted to convert to Judaism or declare myself a Jew just so they can slam me too...somehow being called a plain vanilla anti semite doesn't enrage me like it use to.... I want to be a self hating Jew, they get all the attention these days. LOL

    • American May 6, 2011 at 3:52 pm with 6 replies

      I agree...Sullivan can't even write about Wiesenfeld's racism without first putting the Jews and anti semitism front and center.....and throwing in all the 'absolute rights' of Jews.
      Gads!....there he (Andrew) is right front of his own nose and he doesn't see it in himself.
      Always with the Jews first, always. Never speaks to anything on just plain 'any person' or all peoples' terms.

      They don't get it and they never will.
      No matter how many times you explain the obvious to them.
      I guess they just don't want to get it.

  • Wiesenfeld says his mother would call Kushner a Nazi collaborator
    • American May 6, 2011 at 12:58 pm

      I got an e mail from JVP just now. ....sometimes petitions do some good sometimes they don't, but can't hurt. I have given them money from time to time although I don't think the Jews alone can do much unless enough of them "ostracize" their zio'nazis from their tribe and make them 'outcast' like the zios do with their 'self hating' Jews. They really need a huge 'social' movement to make these lunatics unacceptable anywhere in society, particulary among themselves.

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  • Palestinians are not 'human,' says CUNY trustee who rejected Kushner
    • American May 6, 2011 at 2:32 pm

      I did ask a Jew once about this. He claimed to be sort of a zionist -"lite' type on Israel and was very religious and into the study of Judaism and such.
      He said that Jews were chosen... that they were to be the "light onto the nations"..as in I suppose, how they are suppose to teach others or be some kind of example. Still, he put it as some kind of "seperate" thing where the goal wasn't to convert people to Judaism as Christians do but more like those in Judaism were suppose to 'lead' others even if unlike them.
      I don't know about all the different sects of Jews so I don't know exactly what his branch of belief was.

    • American May 6, 2011 at 12:31 pm with 3 replies

      I lifted this from another poster:........

      “Maybe Abe Foxman had it just about right when he wrote:-

      The Holocaust is “not simply one example of genocide, but a near successful attempt on the life of God’s chosen children and, thus, on God himself”

      .........so I could ask...which came first, the holocaust or this belief that the Jews are God's chosen and 'represent' God?

      Really...you can't talk to the people who believe this about themselves. ...that they are superior or special above all others on earth because they say God said so. If they believe this it is easy for them to see others as non human or lesser humans.

      Is this thinking part of Judaism or some interpretation of it, or did it begin with zionism?.....where exactly did this begin?

  • Kushner fears damage to his reputation
    • American May 5, 2011 at 2:46 pm with 3 replies

      Maybe it's time to do a film on "Stop the Israelization and Zionizning of America".

      Just imagine all the juicy stuff you could put into it.
      Wow!....the USS Liberty, all those quotes by zionist on how they own the US", all the things past presidents said in private about Israel and the organized Jewish groups from the presidential libraries, all kinds of stuff..that is actually true!
      Now that would really 'open a dialogue".

    • American May 5, 2011 at 2:32 pm

      "Calling someone an Israel-basher is akin to calling them an anti-Semite or a bigot, and that can't go without response.".....

      Calling someone a Israel basher is only akin to calling to calling them a anti semite because the zionist say Israel bashers are anti semites.

      See how stupid this is? Every time some zionist operative does that they should be laughed at. When you even engage in defending yourself on the anti Israel - anti semite comparison you play into their propaganda.
      The only good response to this idiotic comparison is one of ridicule and peals of hysterical laughter.

      Or maybe some whopping lawsuits....a lot of people like Juan Cole or Norman Finklestein wouldn't have have any problem at all in proving the zionist slander caused them "material harm" in careers or livelihoods in a real court of law. I posted a link on here some time back about the lawsuit the ADL lost in Calif. and had to pay 10 million to a couple they accused of being anti semitic toward one of their neighbors.
      A slew of lawsuits against the zionistas might be just the ticket for teaching them a lesson...I'll send a memo to Soros, he's got the resources to do it....LOL.

  • Tail dangles job to dog
    • American May 5, 2011 at 1:40 pm

      " I was to be reminded that agents of foreign influence who can make appointments to national security positions in the United States...."

      I'll just quote George again.

      "Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other.

      Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests”.

      One of these days boy and girls, one of these days.....this is all going to blow sky high......it's too much of an subversive aberration into the sovereignty of a nation to ever last.

  • Palestinian unity deal signed in Egypt, but questions remain
    • American May 4, 2011 at 4:29 pm

      link to english.aljazeera.net

      France is saying it will consider recognizing Palestine Statehood at UN if Isr doesnt' get it's ass in gear and get on with peace talks.
      So the heat is on......"the Quartet" appears to still be trying to act in Israel's interest by pressuring it to resume talks...and avoid having to vote at the UN on Palestine.

      But who thinks Abbas is going to back down on settlement suspension as a condition of talks? I don't and I wouldn't.
      Who thinks Netanyahu is going to think he eventually has to give up on confiscating all of Palestine? I don't.

      I don't really care what the current Fatah and Hamas unity deal says, the point is to hold it together and keep going toward Statehood. The deal only has to satisfy the UN members. After that the deal, like all two party government deals will be a work in progress.

      Of the option to enter peace talks with Israel or the option to not give in on the settlements and keep going to Statehood at the UN-- the Statehood effort is by far the better long term option. That would give Palestine even more legal standing than just in the Geneva Accords and war crimes arena.
      Israel could no longer do such high handed things as collect taxes and then with hold them from Palestine's government as they do now and just did after the unity deal was announced...to say nothing of the other controls Isr exercises over Palestine.

      I wonder if UN resolution 377 could be used by Palestine in seeking statehood to overcome certain US SC veto and put it to the general assembly after a US veto?
      That might be a longshot if their statehood bid was also presented as vital to peace in the region

  • Gideon Rose of 'Foreign Affairs' praises Mubarak in warning Egypt not to make Israel 'dramatically unhappy'
    • American May 4, 2011 at 3:15 am with 1 replies

      This is what I would like to reply to Mr. Harris, but Washington beat me to it in his 1779 Farewell Address. When zionist like Oren and Shapiro try to rewrite US history I guarentee you they never quote this page out of history.

      "However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.

      So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld.

      And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

      Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other.

      Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests. "

    • American May 4, 2011 at 3:02 am

      Indeed....add this to the list.

      Gawd...it just boggles the mind.....all the strong arming the Us has done for Israel. This is so particulary funny because I was at the 1966 GATT conference in Geneva when the US everisated the US textile industry with the beginning of our 'free trade".
      But for Israel?...no problem...the US will create deals for them and make sure they get to dip their beak in every deal the US makes.

      "Egypt’s QIZ agreement with Israel and the United States gives local manufacturers both tariff and quotafree
      access to the US market on the condition that 35% of the commodity is manufactured in a qualifying
      zone, and a minimum of 10.5% of the product is from Israeli inputs.

      link to gafinet.org

      To avoid the worst impact, Egypt is expected to sign a Qualified Industrial Zone (QIZ) agreement with the US, the biggest market for clothes and textiles, as well as with Israel.

      Adopting Israel as a trading partner may be too much for the Egyptian public to bear. But the government of Egypt is caught between the prospect of facing public outrage if it signs the agreement and the prospect of job losses and factory closures if it does not.

      The trade deal will involve economic co-operation with Israel. If goods produced in these zones contain a minimum amount of material originating from Israel, then they can be imported into the USA tariff-free."

      Any questions as to why Egyptians and most of the ME hates the US and the Jews and Israel? Most Americans are totally ignore of all the ways we have screwed other people to enrich Israel. It goes way beyond just I/P and obscene amount of weapons and aid we give Israel.

      As usual Tom Freidman , of the my head is flat, NYT wrote a glowing article about this 'wonderful' cooperation between Isr and Egypt and described Egytians as 'celebrating'....lol.....all the other newspapers in the world wrote about the 'riots' in Egypt over this...because they were actually rioting over the fact that Israel material being used was costing some Egyptians their jobs in the production cotton accessories that Israel was replacing.

      Did someone say greed....?...let's make that GREED.

    • American May 4, 2011 at 2:12 am with 3 replies

      I agree it won't, despite , as you say, the efforts of those like Phil and others. One reason for that is the very simple human nature fact that most people like the idea of having some kind of power,even if it is group power. Even to non zionist Jews that feeling that they are part of 'powerful group' able to direct or wield influence such as in the US is very alluring. It is is very addictive especially to a group like the Jews who feel themselves powerless and victimized in the past.

      Another reason is that the Jews most desirous of that power are the zionist and hard core Israeli loyalist and unfortunately they are the ones that occupy positions of power and influence in our government. For most of these, it is 'the' reason they sought out political office, appointments and government positions.

      If you to really want understand the Orwellian state of America today imagine the British citizens reaction to England saying one of their primary responsibilities is maintaining the Qualitative Military Edge of Sicily or Bermuda, or France saying it is their primary responsibility to maintain the Qualitative Military Edge of Libya and consult with them before selling weapons to anyone else....BY LAW
      Or even better, England and France saying it is their responsibility to maintain the Qualitative Military Edge of Iran and Syria and all Muslim States because of the large Muslim populations in Britain and France......ROTFLMAO.....that's basically what it is all about for the US.

      link to militaryaerospace.com
      DEFENSE TRADE ADVISORY GROUP PLENARY

      States News Service
      States News Service
      May 3, 2011
      The following information was released by the U.S. Department of State:
      Remarks
      Andrew J. Shapiro
      Assistant Secretary , Bureau of Political-Military Affairs

      As always, Israel is a vital ally and a cornerstone of our regional security commitments in the Middle East. As Assistant Secretary for Political-Military Affairs, one of my primary responsibilities is to preserve Israels qualitative military edge, or QME. By law, we have to take Israels QME into account when assessing every sale in the region and I can assure you, we do so rigorously. Furthermore, a significant aspect of maintaining Israels QME are U.S. defense sales and cooperation, which ensure that Israel possesses the advanced defense systems it needs to provide for its security."

      It will have to be Americans who change this subservience and abdication of US interest and decision making to the US zionist and Israel. But we probably won't do it until something so shocking happens regarding this that the entire public can't ignore it and we have no other choice.
      Getting more bizarre every day.

    • American May 3, 2011 at 3:12 pm with 1 replies

      Rose is just doing what all the US zionist do.....

      "If you make Israel unhappy our jewish lobby and congress will send the US to beat you up!!!!!"

      Well...Americans might have something to say about that..eventually.

  • They can never shut me up
    • American May 2, 2011 at 8:13 pm with 1 replies

      Here is what is so sad (and dangerous) for the entire world.....Israel has done this for so long, gotten away with this for so long, that the Geneva Accords have lost all meaning.
      The act of genocide has many parts and legal definitions with the Accords and statutes.
      What Israel does every day in the way this child related is in fact an element of genocide as described in the Geneva Accords and reaffirmed by the Rome Statutes.

      "Act:
      Genocide by causing serious bodily or mental harm. inflicted certain conditions of life upon one or more persons.
      Note: This conduct may include, but is not necessarily restricted to, acts of torture, rape, sexual violence or inhuman or degrading treatment.
      Note: The term "forcibly" is not restricted to physical force, but may include threat of force or coercion, such as that caused by fear of violence, duress, detention, psychological oppression or abuse of power, against such person or persons or another person, or by taking advantage of a coercive environment. "

      If there is any justice, karma is going to be hell for some people.
      Maybe some day they will be sitting the same dock the nazis had to sit in.

  • OBL/Palestine = Berlin Wall/Apartheid
    • American May 2, 2011 at 8:57 pm

      I am not so sure either.
      Already the nattering heads are demanding we 'gear up' for the certain retaliation attacks by Muslims.
      I wish I though Obama was smart or ethical enough to use this as a way to get out of Afghan and Pakistan...but alas, I don't think so.
      I think it will be his campaign brag.

  • America's self-righteous celebration
    • American May 2, 2011 at 7:20 pm

      The US is a circus society now.
      Complete with a government of clowns.

    • American May 2, 2011 at 3:52 pm with 4 replies

      One has to ask if they able to locate OBL and take out his compound why they weren't able to bring him in alive to stand trial?
      Putting war criminals on trial use to be considered bringing them to justice.
      I think that would have demonstrated US values.
      This is a little too neatly tied up end to OBL to suit me.
      But them I am a cynic and have a lead shield between me and the MSM.

    • American May 2, 2011 at 2:27 pm

      Animals don't even celebrate the death of their kills.
      So calling people animals is an insult to animals.

  • Drink the elixir of nationalism, speak the language of violence
    • American May 2, 2011 at 2:22 pm with 1 replies

      "And the only way to successfully fight terrorist groups is to isolate themselves, isolate those groups, within their own societies."

      True

  • Zionists' failure to save Jews from Holocaust was spiked 50 years ago, now in the news
    • American May 4, 2011 at 3:04 pm

      "By your reasoning, Al Qaeda committing atrocities “in the name of Islam” would justify Islamophobia.:

      Well, GF..... isn't Islamophobia exactly what we have seen in a portion of the population in response to the actions of a few Muslims?

      BUT ...it isn't 'my reasoning" that Islamophobia or anti semitism is justified by the actions of some of a group.

      My reasoning is that the actions of some Jews drive some people to anti semitism the same way the actions of some Muslims drive some people to Islamophobia.

      I don't know where you get that I said either was justified.
      I said that's what happens.

    • American May 4, 2011 at 2:45 pm

      Well --Thank you GF ---- for at least allowing that I wasn't necessarily saying what Sand alleged I was saying.

    • American May 4, 2011 at 2:40 pm

      Yes, MRW, thank you...exactly the point I was trying to make.

    • American May 4, 2011 at 2:17 pm

      David Duke territory?

      Well, that's ridiculous. I am simply explaining how people , mainly those who know just enough to be dangerous, leap to or tend to associate 'some' with 'all'. Particulary in the case of self identified groups.

      What I illustrated about the information people take in about Israel and pro Israel individuals forming their opinions of a Jews as a 'group', could just as well be applied to someone's reactions to the dem party or the repub group based on what they see and read about those (commie)" liberals" or those (fascist) "conservatives". I was telling you "Why" people make group associations and you convoluted it into something else.

      For myself I do object to the undue influence of the US zionist on US policy, it is real, it does exist, because of the immorality of I/P and ramifications to this country and Americans welfare. I have a right, even a duty, to say that and also point out those involved. That in no way means I hate Jews or think all Jews are responsible for this.
      And really, your response is more knee jerk bigoted toward me or maybe it's because you aren't smart enough to understand what I was saying...I'll even be magnanimous and say maybe I wasn't clear enough.

    • American May 4, 2011 at 12:03 am

      GF.....

      "That’s the only slightly dodgy thing in your second paragraph because it suggests that anti-semitism, a centuries old irrational hatred of Jews that has surfaced in every country that Jews have ever lived in, is somehow being created by citizens of a country that is only 63 years old. It also suggests .."

      Let me see if I can explain this in a way you will get.
      Yes, Israel causes anti semitism, or what you might call anti semitism...but which in fact should be called resentment and outrage in people.
      Because:
      1) Jewish State!..Jewish State!..... that's how it's billed and justified... and everything they do and say is all about the Jews.
      +
      2) People see what Israel does in the name of the Jews and the Jewish State!, the Jewish State!
      +
      3) Then people read about and see all the Jewish zionista mafia operating, (yes they have some gentile lackeys too) especially in the US, defending Israelis crimes and etc., and demanding the US do this and do that for Israel, and hand over more money for Israel even though we are told how antisemitic we are by the people we give that money to.

      So the connection to the Jews is ...simply....the connection to the Jewish state and the Jews surrounding it.
      So people start to dislike and resent that group of Jews and view them with suspicion.

      If what I described above was being done by Buddhist or Quakers, people would feel the same way, say the same things about them and dislike them too.

      Israel has been exposed mainly due to the internet and everyone's ability to get other than US press on I/P
      At the same time you could say Jews as a whole have benefited from that exposure on the net because information also shows that not all Jews support what Israel and their fellow Jews are doing.
      Then again Israel's hasbara people have probably infuriated a lot of people re the Jews and Israel because they run around saying the most inaccurate and idiotic things and screaming anti semite at the top of their lungs. And idiots like that Oren?.....you saw the response to his trying to rewrite US history. People just get disgusted with this stuff after a while.

      There's nothing anti semitic about saying that some Jews or even a large group of Jews are bringing a great deal of dislike and resentment on themselves and creating their own problems with the non Jewish population if that is what they are doing, and that is what 'some' of them ...and Israel, as the ....are doing.

      We can get into the ancient history and 'irrational' hatred debate another time... this is mainly about Israel and the pro Israeli Jews or zionist actions Today...not yesterday.

    • American May 3, 2011 at 1:20 pm with 6 replies

      Citizen, you and jon may be right and I just haven't found the right scholars to read. When I became interested the Israel issue and therefore the holocaust almost everything I found was either the Jewish version or those attacking it. So for the sake of objectivity and not being influenced by either I tried to stick with researching in official achieves and libraries for documents of the period on the net...but that is major undertaking to do really right and I don't have the time to do much of that, so it's been hit and miss and a lot of government stuff is still restricted so as I said you could spend years on this.
      I remember coming across Irving and the lawsuit against him for his investigations but didn't delve into his work.
      However I did go to the trouble of finding the official state censuses, pre and post WWII of most of the countries Hitler occupied which did create some doubt in my mind about the 6 million number for the Jews being correct. I also at one time had the combined allies report on all deaths during WWII which also included civilians and Jews and POWs and others. But it's been 3 crashes and two computers since then, so without the report at hand now I hesitate to quote numbers. But that also gave me the impression that the 6 million number was an overestimation.
      Of course when anyone simply challenges the number of Jews killed they are accused of holocaust denial....which is ridiculous.

    • American May 3, 2011 at 12:35 pm

      Well GF I just can't buy that you really want people to say exactly what they think about everything. Take the Israel issue for example...a lot of people go at that sideways because if they put their opinion in descripitive plain english, without prefacing everything and adding this and that allowence...then they are called anti semites.

      If I said to Israel or pro Israelis ..'look, it's time to get over yourselves, you aren't the only people in the world or the only ones to have been genocided and presecuted thru out history..suck it up and move on, enough is enough and you are creating your own anti semitism with your constant demands and agression'....I can hear the howling and slur slinging already if put in such down to earth frank terms.

      What you really want people to say is ' yes it was the worst thing that ever happened in the entire world and of course Israel is justified in behaving the way it does because of it, we all understand and sympathize but pretty please, couldn't you also consider the feelings and welfare of other peoples too?

      Now I will wait for you to tell me my second paragraph proves I am a anti semite because if you get the honesty you asked for the ususal response is you anti semite you.

    • American May 3, 2011 at 3:16 am

      Hummmm....

      "My experience living in England for 25 years is that English people are not honest (emotionally speaking). They do not tell you the truth. They are passive aggressive and take pains to tell you what they think you want to hear right up until the moment they lose their tempers and blame you for making them agree to things they didn’t want to. British people are often self-deprecating. It is considered poor form to say something positive about oneself. An Olympic gold medallist asked what he does for a living might say, “I run a bit,” a Nobel Prize-winning physicist might tell you he’s a bit of a nerd."

      ..so you would rather they tell you to your face you are loud , rude, argumentative, boorish and a braggart?

      Not you personally of course...just an illustration.
      It's called having good manners.

    • American May 3, 2011 at 2:59 am

      The problem with holocaust discussions is that 99% of everything written about the holocaust is written by Jews or zionist and most of them are naturally going to cast everything in their favor.
      You will find very few books and hardly any research done by gentiles or non Jews available to the general public. And if anything is written that isn't 100% positive about the jews or zionist it is attacked as anti semitic regardless so there is not much incentive for researchers or writers to attempt it. So it is difficult to know the real truth or what to believe about a lot of conflicting claims unless you are determined enough to spend mountains of time, years really, combing thru various national archives for official documents, papers and news articles of the time. I just went to the British National Archives to check something on 1930'40's Jewish immigration and one paper listed was a document on the UK restricting Jewish immigration of Polish Jews due to fears of jewish terrorist in their ranks. Poland was where the zionist nationalist military group, the Betar, was formed even before nazi Germany so there may have been something to that fear. BUT, I could not access that paper because it is still 'restricted' even after 60 years and I would have do a Freedom of Info request to the UK government to get it.
      I think that because of the holocaust a lot of still unrevealed and valuable information is inaccessible because most governments fear that after the German phenomenon it might contain material that either encourages anti semitism and would also reveal too much about all the secret deals surrounding the war and all kinds of people and groups who were involved in these dealings.

      It's a pity because I think there is a lot that could be known if it were not for the taboo like shadow cast over research on the holocaust and therefore certain areas of WWII itself.

  • Abbas: 'Hamas is a part of the Palestinian people'
    • American May 2, 2011 at 12:45 pm

      You have got to be kidding me.
      What part of Jewish terrorist "holy warriors" were founding forces of Israel do you not get? Your group has been assassinating the 'others' since time began and then building monuments to your holy warriors...even making them presidents of your country.
      You even kill the very people who tried and did help you.
      And you wonder why and whine about the world being fed up and disgusted with you and Israel?
      Do you even know what the word hypocrite means?

      The assassination of Count Bernadotte - and the death of peace

      He was charged by the UN with bringing peace to Palestine– but died at the hands of Jewish assassins.

      "At that moment, one of the three men in IDF uniforms ran to the Chrysler, pushed the barrel of his German-made Schmeisser MP40 sub-machine gun through the open rear window, and pumped six bullets into the chest, throat and left arm of the aristocrat and another 18 into the body of the French colonel sitting on his left. Rushing out of the first car, the Israeli captain, Moshe Hillman, ran back to the Chrysler. Aghast at the sight of the copiously bleeding bodies he kept repeating: "My God, oh my God," before jumping in beside the driver, a UN security man recruited from the FBI, and telling him to head straight for the Hadassah hospital. But Count Folke Bernadotte, the UN mediator officially charged with bringing peace to a Holy Land at war, and his chief UN observer Colonel Andre Serot, who had only swapped places with Hillman at the last minute so that he could personally thank the count for saving his wife from a Nazi concentration camp three years earlier, were dead on arrival.

      The assassination of Bernadotte by Jewish militants on 17 September 1948, was commemorated in a series of Swedish and UN ceremonies in Jerusalem, Stockholm and New York yesterday. But no blue Israeli plaque marks the spot, as it does for so many military and Jewish underground exploits of the period.

      Geula Cohen, a former Knesset member on the nationalist far right who in 1948 was a 17-year-old broadcaster on Lehi's clandestine radio, recalls the chilling threats she personally directed at Bernadotte over the airwaves in the weeks before the assassination. "I told him if you are not going to leave Jerusalem and go to your Stockholm, you won't be any more." Did she still think, 60 years later, it was right to kill him? "There is no question about it. We would not have Jerusalem any more."

      But no one who carried out the killing was ever found or brought to trial; the historian Benny Morris says that Ben-Gurion probably had "internal political reasons" for not wanting them found. The police investigation did not begin until 24 hours later and was at best, "amateurish" when it did. It was not until 1995 that Shimon Peres officially expressed "regret that he was killed in a terrorist way". And, finally, had the assassination and the motives for it, helped to obstruct the recognition due to Bernadotte for his rescue of large numbers of people held in Nazi concentration camps, including several thousand Jews, in 1945.

      What cost the life of the count who ran the Swedish Red Cross during the Second World War and was the nephew of King Gustav V, was not the two Arab-Jewish truces he had managed to negotiate – the second of which was close to collapse when he was killed. It was the longer-term peace plan which sought, however vainly and perhaps naively, to tackle the very issues which still lie at the heart of the world's most intractable conflict today."

      link to independent.co.uk

  • Arab winter: Israel has urged US to intervene to prop up Saudi monarchy
    • American May 2, 2011 at 7:30 pm

      The only Latins in the US that want the US to attack another country for them are the old exile Cubans in Miami.

    • American May 1, 2011 at 4:55 pm with 1 replies

      That not the point...the point is the zionist and Israel have no business directing US policy.

    • American May 1, 2011 at 4:48 pm with 4 replies

      Anyone want to place a bet on how long the US will continue to be a" Jewish State?"

      One more election?.. two?..10, 50, a 100 years?

      Any ideas on how it will end, if it does indeed end?
      Assuming the US zionist don't get the US into a final desperate position re Israel but continue instead as just the drip, drip, drip of Jewish and Israeli influence like water tourture on our foreheads, what do we see America as being in the future?

      Does anyone think it is possible to get back the original , de-zionized, domestic and foreign policy of America and if so how?

      I want to fast the ending of this movie in case it last so long I die before it's over.

  • AJC debate on Zionism devolves into fear-fest, though Beinart bravely says Jews must confront their political power to dispense violence
    • American May 2, 2011 at 7:37 pm

      Well most Americans...and even people who aren't Americans ...think Israel and the zionist are damaging the US.
      I think the comparison is pretty apt.

    • American May 1, 2011 at 3:44 pm with 7 replies

      Time for my true monkey story.

      When I was a young kid in the fifties, my father had a friend who rescued an abused monkey from a traveling animal show. The man loved this monkey and took him everywhere he went around town...into stores and restaurants, everywhere he went......people made an exception for the monkey because they were taken with the cute fellow and story of his rescue and allowed the man to do this when they wouldn't have normally allowed it. All the monkey had to do was point and chatter and the man would get him whatever he wanted. The monkey was treated as a son by the man and his wife, had his own room in the house, was taught how to things like get food from the fridge, the man even tried to teach him to drive a car and bought him a go cart.
      One day my father remarked that he thought the monkey was becoming dangerous. The man had brought the monkey into my father's office and the monkey was really wild, jumping on people and trashing desk and the man couldn't control him. The man's wife told my father she was becoming afraid of the monkey , that it had taken over the whole house and her husband refused to do anything to control him.

      Some time after that we heard that the man was in the hospital. The story was that the man was on his outdoor porch and told the monkey to go get them both cokes from the fridge. The monkey had done this many times..but this time when the monkey came back with two coke bottles he didn't want to hand over one to the man, he wanted to keep both bottles. The man tried to take one from him and the monkey attacked him....bit and scratched him, almost tore his ear completely off and injured his eye. The man's wife ran to a neighbor to get help and some men finally subdued the monkey and got the man to the hospital.

      I don't remember hearing exactly what happened to the monkey after that, I believe that he was returned to some animal compound because the man didn't want him put down, but the man didn't keep him any longer.

      Every time I think about this story I think about our relationship with Israel and the Jews....a good deed gone wrong....unintended consequences. Israel and the US zionist are like that monkey who was never disciplined, never denied anything even when he threatened the peace of the man's home and wife, who was allowed everything by his protector...and went from abused to violent aggressor to get his way and indulge himself.

      The two pro Israeli Jews in the above post, both hawk and dove, have the same fatal flaw the man let grow in the monkey...the man's house didn't belong to the monkey after all, the monkey was only part of it and then he lost his place.

  • Haniyeh says he is ready to step down as P.M. to further reconciliation
    • American May 1, 2011 at 5:49 am with 2 replies

      I have to take a break from keeping up with this because every time Lieberman opens his mouth I have an overwhelming urge to commit violent acts on the little bully boy, which disrupts my work in progress on being my kinder, gentler self.

      The latest....

      "Mr Lieberman gave warning that Israel would show its displeasure by directly punishing Mr Abbas and his Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, who enjoys strong western support.

      "With this accord, a red line has been crossed," Mr Lieberman said. "We have always made clear that we will not negotiate with a terror organisation. We have to make clear that our words were not empty threats.

      "We have at our disposal a vast arsenal of measures including the lifting of VIP status for Abu Mazen [Mr Abbas] and Salam Fayyad, which will not allow them to move freely."

      If Mr Lieberman were to make good his threat, the ability of both men to travel outside the Palestinian Territories would be heavily circumscribed and they would be subject to the frequently humiliating security checks that ordinary Palestinians face on a regular basis.

      Even more damagingly, Mr Lieberman threatened to withhold Palestinian customs levies, which are collected by Israel as the occupying power, a step that could deprive the Palestinian Authority of up to a third of its revenues. Israel took the same measure after Hamas won a parliamentary majority following legislative elections in 2006.

      Accusations of betrayal were also levelled against Mr Abbas by Ehud Barak, defence minister, who spoke in menacing terms of Israel's future relationship with the new Palestinian government.

      Mr Abbas insisted that the inclusion of Hamas made no difference to the Palestinian Authority's determination to seek a peace deal with Israel, saying the transitional government's remit was restricted to preparations for elections and did not extend to negotiations.

      He also expressed optimism that Hamas would now meet international demands by recognising Israel's right to exist and disavowing violence.

      In private, some Israeli officials have been cautiously welcoming of the deal, saying it removed a major obstacle to any Arab-Israeli peace deal.

      Until now, Israel has frequently argued that Mr Abbas did not have a mandate to reach a peace deal with Israel or to seek international recognition for Palestinian statehood because he did not represent the people of Gaza.

      link to telegraph.co.uk

  • Cokie's in Hadassah, Nelson's in the Haggadah (and Israel's in the West Bank)
    • American May 1, 2011 at 4:44 am

      It doesn't appear the zionist or Israel will let it fade.
      The holocaust experience shifting the attitude and beliefs of Jews of that generation was a understandable reaction for a period but not after 60 years of being privilaged because of it.
      Today's zionism is encouraging, actually demanding, that Jews live up to every old canard ever used against them by using their holocaust nightmares against them.
      The holocaust must be put in it's proper place as what is was...as a pure aberration by a specific group at a specific time in history, not as a permanent condition of Jews or the world.
      I am surprised that the more analytical Jews don't understand the Catch 22 they have entered with zionism.

    • American May 1, 2011 at 2:28 am with 1 replies

      Listen--zionism is more like a cult.
      If not for the holocaust it would probably have stayed a very small cult. Jews susceptible to the draw of a cult group might have gone off and created colonies or such but the holocaust was a major reinforcement for a kind of zionist cult that led to Israel.
      I am not using the term cult as some sort of insulting dismissal, I mean it exactly as cult 'thinking' is identified by sociologist and psychologist and experts in the area. The 'cause', the only they are right and know the truth, the idea of their being persecuted or either envied, the sense of being more special because of their differentness from the non members or non believers, their rejection of logic and negative facts about their cause or belief, desire to 'belong' to a group that won't reject them, delusional and mythical thinking, suspension of other moral beliefs to justify their cause or belief, willingness to follow the group line without questioning.....all the classic hallmarks.

      Even half way normal people can be sucked into cults because no one is totally normal anyway......just the right quirk in a mind can attract someone to a cult movement. For the Jews zionism was there waiting for them after the holocaust and it became their cult.

    • American April 30, 2011 at 6:10 pm with 8 replies

      So those of us who understand zionist Jews as a culture of 'tribal' and 'political' people attached to the idea and land of Israel as Zionism demands and whose main identity is Jewish, people and national wise, even thought they aren't or are religious, are correct in this understanding?

      And this fellow doesn't get the problem of combining the "political zionism " and the 'tribal identity ' loyalty knowing it is an influencing force regarding a foreign nation, within a nation that isn't Israel and in which they are a minority? Wow. Just wow.

      I don't get it either. There is so much written about how Jews in Germany thought of themselves as Germans (and Jews only by religion) prior to Germany turning on them---one of my favorites is Amb John Gunther Deans accounts on this.......that I have to ask...does this guy have the first fricking idea what he is saying?

      Does he understand that he is describing Jews, (his Jews at least) as being in America today, the same kind of undermining separate, cultural and political, 'nation within a nation' to coin the carnad, that the Germans alleged the Jews were Germany?

      I don't know...does he think this is now acceptable in political
      America? The cultural and priority Jewish identity part would be fine, the Quakers are able to do it, if the zionist/ Israel part wasn't attached to it.

      Bizarre.

  • Helen Thomas will cover Move Over AIPAC conference, doesn't want to speak at it
    • American May 1, 2011 at 5:03 am

      Well, you know the old saying...opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one.

      Everyone has right to say what "they" think. People can reject it or not.

      Faulty opinons are only dangerous if the holder is in a position to impose them on others or has channels to make people think his opinions are fact....you know like our politicians and media do.

      I'd be all for a no lie law or a 'prove what you say law'...but who would enforce it....the same politicians and elite who lie with their opinons.
      And if no one had a right to opinions we couldn 't call them liars in our opinion could we?

    • American May 1, 2011 at 1:52 am

      The NYT says AIPAC has 100,000 members---I assume they are talking about dues paying members. But who knows really, those who speak for AIPAC tend to puff it up in terms of support.

      BTW-- the NYT topic section is a good resource for AIPAC articles and coverage and it has a blog runner section for AIPAC coverage also. Of course again, you can't really believe everything that's written-- but it does give one a really good look at the AIPAC propaganda at work and the uber zionist who push it.

      link to topics.nytimes.com

    • American May 1, 2011 at 12:18 am with 2 replies

      What is the percentage?
      Does anyone actually know?
      How many Jews actively or passively, politically support zionism and Israel.
      If you listen to the zionist they all do except for the terrible 'self hating Jews".
      Has any survey been done that is even half way accurate?
      How many christian zios actually support Israel to the point they would agree with the suborning of US national interest for Israel and their religion?
      I have never seen a study or survey that specifically concentrates on these questions.
      Maybe the people that commission all the polls on this issue don't really want to know what the real numbers are.

    • American May 1, 2011 at 12:03 am with 5 replies

      "“Anyone and everybody has an inalienable right to is or her own opinion.”

      Actually everyone does have a right to their 'opinion'.
      What they don't have is the right to impose or even try to impose the 'reality' of their opinion on others in any way.

      Yea, it would be nice if those 'opinions' were based on some sought out truth. But 40% of the world's population has I.Q.'s that fall just at average and below...so you are asking for a miracle.

    • American April 30, 2011 at 11:54 pm

      Calling both the extreme Cuban element and the zionist element a political problem is the correct way to put it.
      BUT ...to be a "political problem" means there is an organized group exerting some power and influence in government.
      An organized group dedicated to some agenda for a foreign country can be a 'societal problem' if they use propaganda to also mislead the public in a way where the public doesn't see their agenda as dangerous to their own interest and therefore doesn't activitly oppose it.
      I am thinking too about the Oren post a few days ago that twist and misrepresents American history.
      Conquers of old are the best example of how to destroy or take over a civilization or a people--they destroy it's symbols and the story of it's past and divide it's peoples common ties.
      So in many ways the political problem starts in those pockets of culture that seek to replace the true culture and the original principles that would be pasted down thru society by destroying it and replacing it with a 'new' story that gives them more, if not total control for their purposes.
      This is exactly what we see at work in all the zionist efforts to 'zionize' America's founding and past and their bizarre searches thur the lives of history's public figures to see if they can find the slightest tie that might let them claim this or that noted figure was Jewish or zionist or a supporter of Israel.
      I am from the South and I know people who would feel honor bound to kill you...not really kill you as in dead....LOL...but almost...for screwing with their family's or country's or region's history.

    • American April 30, 2011 at 4:46 pm

      You might suggest that sooner or later their thrust is going to have also include calling out the "betrayal" of America by US politicians for Israel's benefit.
      Yes, that is getting into 'real hardball' territory. But that's the bottom line here.
      CP and all the other orgs can plead and plead for the human rights of Palestine till the cows come home and it will never do any good......if US politicians haven't responded to the bombings of Gaza, the cluster bombs of Lebanon, the killing of American peace activists by Israel and other outrages.....by now...they aren't ever going to.
      Sorry they just won't.
      You will have to go after 'them', up front and personal and in plain language call them what they are.
      Consider what is actually going on---US leaders take campaign donations from big Jewish pro Israel donors and some Jewish votes in return for allowing Israel to kill people, take their land and be immune to any punishment for any crime. Money for blood...blood money, it's that simple.
      Of course they and the zionist would scream anti semtism toward Israel if we called it and described it exactly as what it is , but really who cares? We are way past that now.
      As long as we just talk about I/P only on a human rights and moral basis all they will do it their usual rationalization and political spin.
      The fact is there is so much injustice in the world it's hard to get the population to focus on one situation.
      But show them how their country is being betrayed by their leaders for foreign interest and it's a different story...that would set the majority of the US aflame....regardless of their various religious or political affiliations...being betrayed by your own government is a flash point for any citizens in any country.
      As for this tactic being a threat to Jews as a whole, I don't think so, I think the majority would jump on that bandwagon against foreign interest, even Israel, for simple survival community wise in the US if for no other reason.
      The goal is to isolate the zionist and their politicians and make them the enemy of the public. The day politicians have to run campaigns on their loyalty to the US and not on their loyalty to Israel is the day the Zionist-US-Isr-I/P-Jewish issues will come to an end.
      Again...money or fear....those are your only two tools against the US political system as it is today.
      Please believe me when I say 90% of our politicians don't give a damn what the public says or what it want..they only care if you have the power or money to help them or hurt them politically.

    • American April 30, 2011 at 3:49 pm with 3 replies

      "The fact that many Jewish-American individuals support Palestinian human rights may be morally significant, but is woefully inadequate to offset the power of organized American Jewry."

      Exactly and that is the crux of the problem.

  • Lawyer at 'Counterpunch' validates Palestinian right of armed resistance to occupation
    • American April 30, 2011 at 2:25 pm with 1 replies

      " I would argue that according to international law today, Israel has no rights to or in the Occupied territories of Palestine"

      Well ...duh!
      Of course not.
      And the UN aberration that created Israel was entirely based on an "Exception" for the Jews because of the holocaust.
      This whole 60 year conflict has gone on because of the totally insane idea that a Jewish State has the right, because of the holocaust exception, to legally or otherwise to have control or authority over Palestine or any country they choose because of Jewish 'needs' or 'security". It's the most bizarre thing I have ever seen. It's like everyone involved in this was zombie brained by the Jewish "exception" to the point where they can't get even grasp the NUMBER ONE LEGAL FACT...that Palestine does not belong to Israel and no international body has given Israel the authority to have any say over Palestine.

      Is the world going to continue to allow the Zionist and Israel to be the world's one exception to all laws? I guess we will see eventually.
      My impression is that this 60 year get out of jail free card and Israeli assumption that they can criminally act however they please with complete impunity is going to come to an end by popular demand, or worst for Israel, by some group who finally takes 'exception' themselves to Israel's behavior.....despite the US.

  • 'NYT' front-pages Egyptian shift in policy re northeastern neighbor
    • American April 29, 2011 at 3:31 pm

      If I could give Egypt and others in the ME one piece of advice regarding Israel and I/P it would be this--Ignore Israel.

      Go about your own plans , policies and agenda within your sovereign state rights and within international law and just make Israel and the US UNHEARD by you.

      Treat any unrealistic or absurd claims or statements or bluster with concise, accurate and "closed end" statements, do not engage in nonsensical back and forths with the likes of the Lieberman's or Netanyahu. Simply state your position and policy as a done deal and move on to put it in place.

      For decades Israel has claimed it has no "partners"...well, now is the time to make that finally come true for them. Just draw the circle that cuts them out of the discourse on Palestine.
      Let them flounder and rant and rattle cages until they realize what they have to do to if they want any future in the ME except as a walled in enclave.

      Your typical ME policy wonk will say' oh no, the goal is to have them all talk and talk, talk, talk, talk 'to Israel' until it is all settled"...well no, the 'peace talk industry" falsely premised for 6 decades on the absurd idea that Israel has any right, legally or otherwise, to decide or dictate the fate of Palestine, will never settle it. ..particular if the US is involved in it.

    • American April 29, 2011 at 2:04 pm

      "Balance of Power shifting"

      Absolutely.
      I am still sort of sitting in amazement at the events....even though I and other have for years said this is exactly what needs to happen....that the ME populace must 'seize' it's own power in order for the ME to escape the US grip, allow countries to assert their own sovereign interest and establish their own regional balances.

      It would be to Egypt's benefit to straddle the east and west like Turkey, remaining independent of the US, and it seems that is the way they are headed. No doubt there will slips between cup and lip but I don't see any turning back or any tolerance for US hegemony any longer.

    • American April 29, 2011 at 1:46 pm with 2 replies

      "And Egypt is neither a major military power nor a major economic power (and Israel is both)."

      I would have to disagree with saying Egypt is not a military power--it has a huge army 3 x's the size of Israel's (and is considered highly trained and disciplined by the US military establishment)....with millions more young men and women than Isr has to draw from should they need to. True, they are not a nuclear power but neither is Israel if they want to survive--using their nukes would be the end of them---so if we are talking conflict between Israel and Egypt we would be talking conventional warfare.
      Turkey's military is also much larger than Israel's and Turk fighters have been legendary since WWII when they had to throw the Germans off the British to give them an escape route and keep them from being wiped out. And the ME country with the largest supply of aircraft and weapons equipment is actually Saudi...last year Saudi bought 29 billion---yes 29 'billion'-- in US weapons and aircraft. Saudi's problem however is their military is woefully under trained and wouldn't be much of a fighting force. Despite Saudi dislike of Iran I can't see Saudi ever joining Israel or the US or being involved in any war or attacks or supplying any material aid to anyone warring on another ME country......now, more than ever, that would be a direct route to them losing their thrones, if not their heads, for sure.

      Then of course you have to consider the fueling for any Israeli war against a neighbor.....every year for the past five years the US has sent emergency jet fuel to Israel from our refineries in Texas....and now Israel is going to be 40% short in their gas needs from Egypt unless they are willingly to pay more for it and needless to say if they challanged Egypt militarily there would no gas for Israel.

      Leaving the US out of the Israel equation Israel is dead in the water--quite literally--in any war with countries like Egypt and Turkey.

      I wouldn't place any faith in Israel's military power without backup by the US..or in their economic situation without the US strong arming in trade for Israel.

      Let's say Israel got into it with Egypt or Turkey or both...would the Israelis in congress be able to get the US to send out military to help Israel? Maybe....but in our public's current mood they would probably be standing in the ashes of their burnt out capital hill offices the day after.

  • As a Holocaust survivor, AIPAC does not speak for me
    • American April 29, 2011 at 1:58 am

      A lot of discussion about AIPAC, but not much about their brother org JINSA...Jewish Institute for National Security. They are the military industrial arm of the zionist in the US...and the uber hawks that inflitrate the US pentagon and weapons industry the same way AIPAC infiltrates our congress.
      link to jinsa.org

      Here's an article The Nation did on..

      "The Men From JINSA"

      link to thenation.com

      AIPAC is the front page, JINSA is the backroom boys.

      "

      link to thenation.com

    • American April 29, 2011 at 1:13 am with 2 replies

      A 79 year old woman is cavity searched?
      I am speechless....I hadn't seen this before.

      As for who is and isn't a holocaust survivor Israel has changed the definition of 'survivor' several times. They now consider a survivor "to be anyone who lived for any time in any country invaded or occupied or allied with Germany during the war"...whether they escaped or not, or whether or not they were ever in a camp.
      As we all know the actual camp survivors are almost all dead. I think I read that only about a dozen or less "actual concentration camp' survivors are still living.
      I think Israel revised their definition of survivor in order to get more money from Germany because Israel has gone back to Germany several times with claims more money is needed. They also demanded 'new' money from Germany to treat the children of survivors due to their inherited trauma from the holocaust.

    • American April 29, 2011 at 12:47 am

      For some reason there is a lot of hasbara going on trying to impart the idea that it is non Jews in the US who are the driving force of support for Israel and zionism. I think the intent of this tactic is pretty obvious.

      But as illustrated by a previous post on here by Phil concerning the public's negative comments and reactions to the MSM propaganda on Israel.....that it is non Jews who are the Godfathers of Israel support..... just doesn't fly.

      What is your reason for not wanting zionist Jews to have to own their support of Israel?....because the US public has become critical of Israel and of them and they need cover? You know, first the zionist claimed all "The Jews" were in their camp and now they are claiming most " Christians" are in their camp? Or even the 'leaders" of Israel support?
      Hummm......I smell desperation setting in among the zionist and the Lobby as the Isr-USA veil is being lifted by the public.
      The zionist know their scent is in the wind and they are looking to deflect the brunt of any attack by seeking protection in a different herd.
      My numbers may be a tad off but last time I checked any sources, Evangelicals---which include, and where from sprang, Christian zionist, only numbered about 20 to 30 million in the US...10% or less of our population. And further, any googling will quickly show you that there are many types of Evangelicals with widely different
      views.....so that further reduces the actual number of the christian zionst.

      Christian "zionist' is really a contridiction....jews and zionist say Israel is about a homeland for the Jews....the Christians say it is about an in gathering where the Jews convert or perish...so if christian zios are for Israel it's because they consider it a temporary holding pen until they can convert them or watch God wipe them out.
      It doesn't even make any sense...LOL.....but that's par for the course for both zionist and their zio christian avatar's.

  • Why are secular assimilating American Jews so Zionist?
    • American April 29, 2011 at 2:12 am with 2 replies

      You aren't offending 'anyone' in particular....you're just insulting the general intelligence of the average person with this stuff.
      I've seen some really way out hasbara but this is so ..er...ridiculous...it should be embrassing to whatever zionist group thought this line up.

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