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I am Irish with a profound interest in the Palestinian /Israeli conflict.

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  • Chomsky used to need police protection when he spoke about Israel, no longer
    • "Alzheimer’s is usually involuntary. Israeli dysfunction is not– it’s completely and deliberately voluntary."just

      Israel is not dysfunctional.Everything is going according to the Zionist plan.

      So far , so good??.

    • Well , well, The Israeli President tell,s his people , (80% of them ) that they are a sick .The British Parliament tell Israel it recognises the State of Palestine as did Sweden.The Spanish are about to do so as are several other European states.And now Noam Chomsky tells Israel , the gig is up.

      Meantime Israel is clamping down even harder on legitimate Palestinian resistance to oppression and theft and murder and nietanyahu is claiming he will win.

      Maybe Israeli society is suffering from collective Alzheimer,s .All the classic symptoms are there.

  • Israeli president's diagnosis -- 'Israel is a sick society' -- doesn't go viral in the U.S.
    • Does anyone know if he mentioned the illegal expansion or is his goal to have dialogue continue , ad infinitum as the Settlements continue to expand.Let,s all get along in a nice peaceful atmosphere and get on with the task of creating the so called greater Israel.

      Just a thought.

  • Family of Mohammed Abu Khdeir continues to wait for justice as Israeli court again postpones trial for his killers
    • Anyone notice a resemblance to Charlie Manson.Look at the evil in that killers eyes.

      He is not insane.He is just pure evil.May he never see the outside of a cell again.

    • As European countries are taking votes on whether there should be a Palestinian state, Israel does not want the details of this heinous crime leaking into the media .Might make the so called light unto the nations and eternal victim claims seem a bit thin.

      By the way, did anyone bulldoze their families homes yet.That,s the law there, right.

  • B'Tselem video: Israeli soldiers blindfold and detain 11 year old disabled child
    • "under these circumstances i don’t wish the children stop throwing stones. simply because, instinctually, it’s not natural for all children living in these conditions to be so programed as to not act out. it would signify something about human behavior if, after decades and generations born into occupation," Annie

      Indeed Annie, unlike the illegal settler kids who sometimes get tired splashing around in their ,(Stolen Palestinian water filled )pools and decide to go and have some alternate aversion from their fearful lives, throwing stones at the Indigenous natives or some such enjoyable activity with total impunity and more likely IDF approval as evidenced by their refusal to act.That is until they decide to arrest the recipients of those playful god fearing settler thug,s fun and games.

      Sickening.

    • "I don’t think you can claim the trauma excuse for the IDF." American

      I believe Seafoid was referring to the Trauma that the GOI feeds it,s population and hence the idf get,s away with this brutality.

      Trauma leads to victimhood = security concerns = anything goes.

    • "I wonder if the Beach boys read about this ???>" Amigo.

      I was referring to this article about the arrest of the 11 year old by the IDF.

    • I wonder if the Beach boys read about this ???>

      "The American rock band The Beach Boys have canceled their planned Tel Aviv concert, which was scheduled to take place on November 29 in the Nokia Stadium.

      Pre-purchased tickets will be refunded.

      The show would have been the band's first in Israel, and would have capped off a tour stopping at France, Denmark, Norway and Hungary. The tour lineup consists of two bandmembers from the 1960s - Mike Love and Bruce Johnston - and five other musicians.

      As of Tuesday, no reason for the cancelation was provided on the band's website. " Haaretz

      link to haaretz.com

    • "Stopping the children throwing stones would leave the IDF with no excuse at all for arresting children, and the hasbarists with no basis for their claim that Palestinians are teaching their children to hate. " walktallhangloose.

      The IDF don,t need an excuse.They will claim that the children threw stones whether or not they did.

      It is the zionist way of ensuring that they can claim to be the eternal victim and then get on with their brutal behaviour.This is what they do.No illegal settler kids are arrested or harmed in any way.Often the IDF stand idly by and do absolutely nothing until they are ready to arrest the Palestinians who were the targets in the first place.

    • "amigo- I wonder if it would be really so difficult to write without the taunt "Yonah F. See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

      I would have no problem writing without the taunt when you quit trying to appear like a humanist who cares about Palestinians.

      Example!

      " finding the means to allow gaza to thrive without giving gazans the means to lob rockets at the Israelis, is a tricky business. although those of you who favor handing the airports and the harbors over to Hamas do not find anything complicated in the situation, I am satisfied to have the IDF controlling the airports and the harbors and thus it is more complicated than the “leave the middle east” prescription of you antizionists. YF

      Gazans!!!(Palestinians), lob rockets at Israel because Israel has been murdering fishermen and farmers and whosoever they choose for years.That is why Israel gets rockets lobbed in their general direction.It is the IDF you wish to leave in charge that creates these problems.

      Stop scratching the surface Yonah and maybe you will realise just who is at fault and drop the Liberal zionist facade.

      As to taunting , how anout this???.

      "yonah fredman October 18, 2014 at 5:24 pm

      just- are you so stupid that all you can do is parrot a moose?
      - See more at: link to mondoweiss.net.

    • Hail to the most moral army.The brave patriots and defenders of the only democracy in the middle East and light unto the nations of the world and the chosen ones.

      These f----s do not understand the concept of proportionality.It is my view that they are under orders to create as may Palestinian enemies as possible and I believe that comes right from the very top.

      I so look forward to the day when even one of these sickos ends up in chains at the Hague.We can make sure a cheering party is there to greet him / her at all times.

    • Gee, I wonder if "Yonah, (Israel deserves to defend it,s 67 borders), Fredman" will defend this garbage.

      Maybe you will tell us this is the kind of world you live in so it,s not your fault.You don,t control Israeli history , past or present, so better to just go along with it and this type of inhuman barbarity.Screw the future eh Yonah.

      Now where did we hear that s--t before.

  • NYT takes on Europe's recognition of a Palestinian state
    • From the ICJ advisory opinion 2004 by Justice Khasawneh.

      link to icj-cij.org

      10. There is no doubt that the Green Line was initially no more than
      an armistice line in an agreement that expressly stipulated that its provisions
      would not be "interpreted as prejudicing, in any sense, an ultimate
      political settlement between the Parties" and that "the Armistice Demarcation
      Lines defined in articles V and VI of [the] Agreement [were] agreed
      upon by the Parties without prejudice to future territorial settlements or
      boundary lines or to claims of either Party relating thereto" (Advisory
      Opinion, para. 72).
      11. It is not without irony that prominent Israeli jurists were arguing
      before the 1967 war that the General Armistice agreements were sui
      generis, were in fact more than mere armistice agreements, could not be
      changed except with the acceptance of the Security Council. Whatever
      the true significance of that line today, two facts are indisputable:
      (1) The Green line, to quote Sir Arthur Watts, "is the starting line from
      which is measured the extent of Israel's occupation of non-Israeli
      territory" (CR200413, p. 64, para. 35). There is no implication that
      the Green Line is to be a permanent frontier.
      (2) Attempts at denigrating the significance of the Green Line would in
      the nature of things work both ways. Israel cannot shed doubts upon
      the title of others without expecting its own title and the territorial
      expanse of that title beyond the partition resolution not to be called
      into question. Ultimately it is through stabilizing its legal relationship
      with the Palestinians and not through constructing walls that its
      security would be assured."Justice Khasawneh

      Israel has no legitimate claim beyond it,s self declared Borders.As the ICJ,s decision shows , Israel , prior to 67 , was arguing in favour of their self declared orders and demanding that any change to those borders be approved by the UNSC.The Palestinians should be negotiating based on the 48 Borders , then the conversation can be about just how much land Israel has already stolen .

      You legal eagles feel free to correct me if I am wrong,

  • 'I know how the brainwashing works'
    • "You just need a piece land, 1 machine, 2-3 buckets, 1-2 Arabs….”

      Let,s edit that slightly!!.

      "You just need a piece of land, 1 machine, 2-3 buckets , 1-2 Jews..."

      Imagine saying that in a Western country.

      Jaysus, uncle abe would have a heart attack.Presses would roll.Paperboys would be shouting , read all about it.Europeans caught referring to Jews as labourers.
      My , what has the world come to.

      Dont expect any condemnation of this display of racist bigotry from ivri and co.They probably practice this form of hatred.

  • The Connecticut Conference of the United Church of Christ passes divestment resolution
    • "meh … meh … antisemitism, antisemitsm … meh … meh … the sheep will go nuts." Talkback

      Try these loonies ???.

      "A group of Dutch Christians vowed to boycott Utrecht’s Domkerk Church for the duration of an exhibition on jailed Palestinian children, which they said encourages anti-Semitism.

      Many people cannot differentiate between Israel and Jews,” Kohlbrugge told the Trouw daily newspaper. “People wearing kippot are being harassed over Israel’s actions. Thus criticism of Israel becomes anti-Semitism.” Kohlbrugge also said that the church’s history of anti-Semitism makes it an unsuitable venue for criticizing Israel. “Before you point fingers, better look at the ones pointing in your direction,” he added. "haaretz

      link to haaretz.com

      Do you folks get it!! . Torturing Palestinian children does not create anti semitism but reporting it does.

      Is it any wonder zionism is on it,s way out.Could someone please speed up the process.

  • Identities of minors who admitted to killing Mohammed Abu Khdeir to be revealed Monday
    • "Technically all Zionists can plead insanity." Talkback

      Yeah , and his defence will be that living with the occupation whereby Palestinian terrorists can at anytime attack him or blow him up , blah blah and this is mentally distressing causing him to commit, "uncharacteristic acts.When he first moved in to his new home , he was an ordinary nice friendly guy.

      And all Palestinians are Terroreeests and it does not matter what their plea is.They are guilty by birth .

  • Anti-semitism charge is increasingly being leveled against Israel's mainstream critics
    • From Haaretz--an example of twisted zionist logic.

      "A group of Dutch Christians vowed to boycott Utrecht’s Domkerk Church for the duration of an exhibition on jailed Palestinian children, which they said encourages anti-Semitism.

      “Many people cannot differentiate between Israel and Jews,” Kohlbrugge told the Trouw daily newspaper. “People wearing kippot are being harassed over Israel’s actions. Thus criticism of Israel becomes anti-Semitism.” Kohlbrugge also said that the church’s history of anti-Semitism makes it an unsuitable venue for criticizing Israel. “Before you point fingers, better look at the ones pointing in your direction,” he added. "

      link to haaretz.com

      I finally got it, torturing Palestinian Children does not increase antisemitism but reporting it does.Not one of these so called Christians condemned Israel,s behaviour.

      God help zionists and those who follow like sheep, they are all loonies.

    • ‘When you criticize Israel, you are probably criticizing Jews, there’s no getting around it" Mooser.

      I did not know that.And all this time I thought I was only critising Israel,s cruel treatment of the Palestinian People.

      But what do I know.I am from a country who has never made war on it,s neighbours so I lack the understanding of a supremacist overlord.They obviously have a built in defence mechanism to deal with interfering left wing radical liberals like meself. I used to hate England and it,s policies towards Ireland but not all English people. Did that make me a antiprostestantite.

  • Does 'the thief of Jerusalem' deserve US aid? (Update)
    • "hops, i’d urge you (and everyone) to open the survey link and check out the results for the different demographics. i’ve spent a long time on that link and it’s very interesting. the implications are stunning " Annie.

      Don,t you understand , that only polls that support Israel are credible.Anything else is just made up or fixed or non scientific.Only Zionist polls ask the right questions .This is typical zionist self delusion.If for instance , the BBC publishes an article that condemns Israeli behaviour then BBC is anti zionist and clearly run by Jew haters.If they write an article that is supportive of the Israeli position ,(does not happen very often --Israel provides very little basis for that.) then the BBC becomes "aware" and understands the facts.

      You have got to feel sorry for these folks.Brainwashing is a terrible crime of which they are the victims.

    • I wonder if it would be possible to produce a graph depicting condemnations of Israel,s policies by prominent Media both in the USA and Europe, say over the last 24 months.One thing is for sure, those condemnations are increasing exponentially since "Pinpoint " op , protective slaughter and are likely to increase in the coming months as more and more people lose their fear of being called Jew haters and antisemites.

      The jig is up for project Zion.As Aminadinnerjacket forecast, it is heading for the bin of history.

  • Europe wearies of Netanyahu's diversions
    • "Well, when it comes to the moment of truth Germany does not have too much of a choice – they know that it is not only Israel`s physical security at stake here but also theirs, even if mainly (but not only) in the psychological sense of it " ivri

      Do please elaborate.

      And ,if you are so concerned about Israel,s physical security , then start demanding that Israel end it,s colonialist shenanigans and civilises itself.

      You sound just like a bully happy to beat up those weaker but then whining when someone decks you and puts you in your place.

      Flat on your butt on the ground.

    • "Both are in need of a tune-up." Walid.

      I was responding to Yonah and all the other zio apologists who claim Israel is a democracy and ergo should not be subjected to complaints from other democracies.

      Israel does not need a tune up .It needs a new engine ,new brakes and a new driver.I do agree some Western democracies could use an oil change .

      Nice to see you back .

    • 2.
      a system or ordered way of doing things.
      "detention centres with a very tough physical regime"
      synonyms: system, arrangement, scheme, code;
      apparatus, mechanism;
      order, pattern, method, procedure, routine, policy, practice, course, plan, programme;
      diet, regimen
      "a favourable tax regime"
      a coordinated programme for the promotion or restoration of health; a regimen.
      "a low-calorie, low-fat regime"
      the conditions under which a scientific or industrial process occurs.

      At least two apply to Israel!!.

      Detention centres ( West Bank ) and diet as it applies to 1.8 million Gazans and of course Gaza is one big detention centre compliments of the Regime in Tel Aviv.

      Yup , definitely time for a Regime change and if the Zionists will not or can not then the International Community must step up to the plate and do it for them.But not through violence but BDS and any other peaceful resistance available to them.

    • The question is, Is Israel a true Democracy.Not according to former leader of Shin Beth and others.

      link to jpost.com

      "I find it extraordinary how naïve or blind some Jewish Israelis are, and the author of this Ha’aretz editorial is no exception. Many, if not most Israeli Jews still believe, incredibly, that their country is a democracy like any other Western democracy, with real freedom of opinion and expression. "Avigail Abarbanel

      link to mondoweiss.net

      "Israel arose as a secular, social democratic country inspired by Western European democracies. With time, however, its core values have become entirely different. Israel today is a religious, capitalist state. Its religiosity is defined by the most extreme Orthodox interpretations. Its capitalism has erased much of the social solidarity of the past, with the exception of a few remaining vestiges of a welfare state. Israel defines itself as a “Jewish and democratic state.” However, because Israel has never created a system of checks and balances between these two sources of authority, they are closer than ever to a terrible clash. " Avraham Burg

      link to nytimes.com

    • Israel’s democracy is not up to the US standard of 2014 in many ways.)YF

      Israel is not a democracy. One would have to be quite stupid or brainwashed , (same disease really) to believe it is.

      BTW , just seems intelligent enough to recognise lies and hasbara when it raises it,s ugly head.

      Whats your excuse Yonah.

  • As Kerry scrambles to prevent Palestinian action at UN, Israeli govt makes clear it will never accept Palestinian state
    • This would be a perfect time for Hamas to renounce the part of their Charter that allegedly says they will drive Israel into the sea and kill all Jews.Make it public and then we can quit having to listen to zionist propaganda and turn attention to Israel Likud Charter.We should demand that Israel recognize a Palestinian State based on 67 borders with land swaps.

      Absent of a willingness to do that will be proof that Israel has never, will never be serious about allowing a State for the Palestinian People.

      Back the zionists against a wall as Palestinians go to the UN for recognition.

      I read today that Spain is next on the list to vote on a Palestinian State.One by one , the dominoes are falling.

  • Palestinian boy, 13, killed by Israeli forces raiding West Bank village
    • Reply to Annie upthread.

      "oh i don’t believe that. especially in the WB they target children." Annie.

      Annie , you must have misinterpreted what I said.I meant that Israel doesn,t give a damn what age a Palestinian is.They shoot them because they,(Palestinians) are there and because they (Israelis) get away with it.

    • "the claim of stone throwing is continually used as a pretext to raid villages and detain, torture and arrest children. "Annie Robbins

      Aaaand, get a violent reaction and hope Israel will return to being seen as the eternal victim of the Arab Monsters.

      "it would be unusual to mistake a 13 year old child for an adult.
      the implications are grotesque." Annie Robbins

      Israel could care less what age a Palestinian is.

      "On Monday (July 7) Shaked quoted this on her Facebook page:

      "Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there."

      link to presstv.com

      The beacon to the world and light unto the nations, eh.

    • This story was reported in the Irish times today.There has been a notable shift in the Irish times reporting of the Palestinian/Israeli turkey shoot.For years we were treated to one sided pro Israel crap as reported by Mark Weiss who it is thought is an illegal settler.However since Protective Slaughter , the other side of the story is now getting through.Haven,t heard from Mark Weiss for quite some time.Fingers crossed.This is progress.

      Now wait for the Israeli Embassy to whimper and whine about unbalanced reporting by the IT.This after years of pro Israel propaganda dished up by Zionists.

  • 'Progressive' rabbi ascribes Roger Waters's concern with 500 Palestinian child victims to rocker's alleged drug use
    • "Last year, he booked a trip with a woman who’s not his wife, which is prohibited under Orthodox law"just

      Maybe these particular Rabbi,s should engage the services of Roger,s travel "agent".His trips seem to result in far clearer thinking.

    • "Interesting that the ‘progressive, egalitarian’ Rabbi thinks that one has to be ‘on drugs’ to care about the deliberate murder of hundreds of children and others. " just

      I think you misjudge the Rabbi .

      He means Roger must be on drugs or is suffering the after effects if he cares about 500 "Arab " Children.Clearly that does not apply to his tribes babies.Not sure how he feels about non Jews in general but would be willing to go out on a limb on guessing the answer.

      Imagine having Religious teachers full of hatred and evil , laying the foundation for your life,s road.Poor, Jewish children don,t get much of a chance in life being subjected to that form of hatred and poisonous diatribe. They will turn out as clones of the Rabbi , God help them.

    • The Rabbi is an extremist who supports the theft of someone else's property.

      A thief in religious garb.

      Who gives a fiddlers fart what this zionist wacko thinks.

  • Israeli settlers set West Bank mosque aflame in 'price tag' arson attack
    • It is just exactly this endless violence that is sowing the seeds of the end of Zionism and just maybe Israel as I think there will have to be a civil war before Israel,s Jews will sort it out between themselves.Of course I am hoping BDS and Isolation will do the magic trick first. It will save a lot of blood .

      Ireland takes another step in the right direction.Irish times recommends recognition of a Palestinian State.

      "Ireland, although among the EU states most supportive of the Palestinians, has traditionally been conservative about wielding the recognition card, whether to bestow or withdraw. In response to Dáil questions this week Minister for Foreign Affairs Charlie Flanagan echoed Fabius in linking recognition to assisting talks.

      But perhaps the time has come to go further. The most recent US-mediated talks collapsed in April and Israel, whose diplomats are frantically lobbying against recognition, needs to be told that it can not hold the issue hostage while continuing to prevaricate on engaging in meaningful dialogue. Recognition would not do anything to copperfasten Palestinian sovereignty, but it would send an important message to Israel that there will be a diplomatic price to pay. Ireland should join Sweden in doing so. " Irish times editorial.

      link to irishtimes.com

  • The Center for Jewish Life is stifling free speech at Princeton University
  • Hamas is Nazi Germany and Israel is valiant and desperate England -- explains Canadian Jewish leader
    • How easily they accuse the other side of what they themselves are guilty of." Kay 24

      Zionists are masters of projection.

    • "Seventy years after the Holocaust, anti-Semitism is once again being expressed publicly and violently. Classic anti-Semitic tropes are freely expressed; signs reading “Jews to the gas” and “Hitler should have finished the job,”

      I attended the recent protests (all 5 ) in Dublin and not once did I see such signs on display.If anyone had turned up with such signs they would have been told to get rid of them or leave the protests.Some fringe elements were burning flags and were told to stop as ours was a peaceful protest.

      Israel and it,s apologists are the ones who are desperate and they are getting worse.

  • British Parliament sends a message to Obama: the people see Israel as a 'bully'
    • Clearly , the editorial board of the Irish Times have been "sniffing " around Roger,s stash.

      How else does one explain this antisemitic ranting.Those damn Irish , all Jew haters and drunks. Didn,t De valera sign Hitler,s condolence book.Blah , blah blah.

    • The Irish times editorial supports Ireland recognition of Palestine.

      "Ireland, although among the EU states most supportive of the Palestinians, has traditionally been conservative about wielding the recognition card, whether to bestow or withdraw. In response to Dáil questions this week Minister for Foreign Affairs Charlie Flanagan echoed Fabius in linking recognition to assisting talks.

      But perhaps the time has come to go further. The most recent US-mediated talks collapsed in April and Israel, whose diplomats are frantically lobbying against recognition, needs to be told that it can not hold the issue hostage while continuing to prevaricate on engaging in meaningful dialogue. Recognition would not do anything to copperfasten Palestinian sovereignty, but it would send an important message to Israel that there will be a diplomatic price to pay. Ireland should join Sweden in doing so. "IT

      link to irishtimes.com

    • "Great post. I’m reminded of that gay Irish Parliamentarian who spoke with such moral indignation some weeks back".. David Doppler

      That would be David Norris who ran for President against Michael D Higgins a very worthy opponent and a proponent of Palestinian rights,

    • ", and it is also mainstream public opinion that the public were horrified by what they saw—the sights and the killing—in Gaza over the summer, and I think the British public will be very disappointed if we do not have a decisive vote on these matters today…"Diane Abbott.

      I wonder if she or any of them imagined such a comprehensive victory.

      I was amused by the reaction of many of the MP,s to the Hasbara messenger boys and Girls.Much head shaking and grinning and invitations to "sit down".It was very enjoyable to watch Israel,s spin doctors getting a swift kick in the posterior for a change.

  • British Parliament votes overwhelmingly to recognize Palestinian state
    • "I’m not celebrating. I’m have a shot and going to bed." ckg -

      I would not be too cynical.There was a lot of honest and passionate speeches and those MP,s will be tapping other MP,s on the shoulder in the hallways between parliamentary sessions and cajoling and creating new conscripts.The next election will see this issue at the forefront.These people have got what the man in the street sees.

      Jack straw did not program these people and they did not appear to me as sheep.Even Jack Straw seemed to have a new found aversion to Israel,s behaviour.Remember , he was a major player with tony poodle blair in the war in Iraq.Maybe he sees this as a way to atone for his past sins and get back in power in 2015.

    • The candles are burning late tonight in "TEL AVIV" and Hasbara central has issued an "All hands on deck call".

      First response is to condemn the 274 antisemitic MP,s for trying to destroy Israel and supporting terrorists.

      The second is to glorify the twelve just MP,s who voted for the only democracy in the middle east and vanguard against ISIL.

      Should be fun reading the comments from the hasbara brigade.

  • In the last days of 'Operation Protective Edge' Israel focused on its final goal -- the destruction of Gaza's professional class
    • "Someone explain to me again why after 65 years of pleading with the psychopath Zios and Israel we shouldnt call every resident in Israel and tell them to get out in 2 hours because we are about to reduce Israel to rubble." American.

      Don,t forget to drop leaflets first but two hours is a tad generous .Do it the Zio way.

      TEN minutes!!.

      "Israeli air strikes level 12-floor apartment block in Gaza after giving residents just ten minutes' warning to get out".

      link to dailymail.co.uk

    • We are God,s chosen people and we will bomb you back into the Dark Ages.Our God demands this of us.

      Just obeying orders from above ---eh.Yours is not to reason why.Yours is just to do or---what ??.

      Wakey wakey --up there, they are getting you a seriously bad name and killing your children en masse.

      Don,t you care??.

  • Has the 'NYT' editorial board finally decided to tell the truth about the conflict? (No)
    • The debate takes place in the UK tomorrow but "Two Sates" is still the central goal.

      When will they ever learn.

      "“Labour’s consistent support for the principle of recognising Palestinian statehood, as part of continuing steps to achieve a comprehensive negotiated two-state solution, is why we will be voting to support the principle of Palestinian statehood when the House of Commons debates the issue on Monday,"Douglas Alexander,

      link to theguardian.com

      Would someone tell these people THE 2SS is dead.I agree however , it should be approved but only to give the Palestinians more clout in their response to Israel and give legitimacy to BDS.The time for talking is long past and action is the way forward.

  • British Parliament to vote on recognition of Palestinian state on Monday
    • I wonder how many of the yes votes were Conservatives / Liberals.

      They will now work on their fellow conservatives , / Liberals buttressed by this astounding outcome.You will see this issue right out front on the next elections , 2015.

      All parties trying to "Out " Palestine each other.

      Remind you of Republicans and Democrats.Except the reason is exactly the opposite.Oh the irony.

    • TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE TO ---12.

      The good guys have it.

      It,s not the official gov policy as these are mostly backbenchers (oppostion) but it is a very very strong message.

      Pay attention Israel , you are on notice.

    • "The MP speaking right now" is the Right dis-honourable Offord.I would suggest from the body language of those around him , that he has gone a long way to convincing those sitting on the fence to vote for the resolution.

      We should thank him.

    • Just , Thanks for that.Did not think of checking the Parliament,s site.

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