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Annie Robbins

Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani

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  • Beitar Nordia soccer club distances itself from racist fanbase, 'La Familia'
    • mooser, i suppose the state could mandate love of settlers as a prerequisite of citizenship.

    • in his reply to a question about the status of settler teams and settler players he then said something quite troubling, namely that discrimination against settlers by Israelis was illegal and this also applied to football.

      israeli "progressives" , how futile.

  • Countering Islamophobia means ending the structural silencing of Muslim voices-- including their critique of Israel
    • and one more thing. there's this dnc hack watchdog on twitter who calls herself 'riotwomenn' and she's got like 40k followers (i have no idea who she is and never heard of her til the other day, and for all i know maybe she's a collective of women). she comes on that thread and tweets:"You, Linda Sarsour, are a destructive divisive force. You need to get some insight." to which i responded "how very mean and divisive of you to say." and there was a little tit for tat and then it was over, no biggie. so she finds me the next day to have the last word and tries to take another stab at sarsour. she writes "Not trying to be a leader. I can be divisive & mean. When I attempt to hijack an entire broad movement to elevate my status, let me know"

      she's a super b**ch. i blow her off and mention it's a tad hypocritical accusing others of being divisive, divisively.

      then i wake up this morning to yet another tweet from her (3 days in a row!). by then i'd had it:

      these people are the establishment clinton patrol. they know no bounds. and they pretend to be progressive and pick on/hammer muslim leaders on social media. what kind of BS is that?

    • i completely agree. the article really says it all. i am so pissed what they did to ellison. and the clinton team twitter brigades are just brutal lately. also attacking linda sarsour. did you see this thread:

  • 'Destruction of Israel' is its abandonment by American Jews, in novelist's imagining
  • Sports and the Palestinian BDS Struggle (Part 3): Looking Ahead
    • RoHa, i can't be right all the time ;)

    • Michael Bennett’s refusal to become a tool of Israeli propaganda has arguably been the most explicitly political stance, to date, by a high profile athlete. Furthermore, it also makes sense that this message would come from a black athlete in the United States. Bennett’s decision comes in an environment characterized by the growing profile of the Palestinian rights movement in the United States, the deepening of black-Palestinian solidarity, and the increased prominence of sports within BDS more broadly.

      speaking of an explicitly political stance by a high profile athlete, although he's not as famous as bennett, in 2014 Reggie Bush blew me away when he posted a photo of Palestinian photo-journalist Hamde Abu Rahma on his Instagram page.

      Abu Rahma held a sign reading:

      “The Palestinian people know what mean to be shot while unarmed because of your ethnicity #Ferguson #Justice.”

      Reggie Bush wrote:

      No matter who you are, what color skin you have, where you live, we are all in this together! this isn’t a Ferguson problem it’s a Global Problem! We need change NOW! What happened to humanity? #JusticeForMikeBrown

      See photos here: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/justiceformikebrown-ferguson-palestine/#sthash.DmxVoSOp.dpuf

      he got slammed for it too and came back and doubled down. it was unprecedented at the time as i recall. blew.me.away.

    • mayhem, as Aubrey Bloomfield pointed out in pt 2 http://mondoweiss.net/2017/03/palestinian-struggle-palestine/ it's against FIFA rules to operate clubs in another national association's territory without their consent. so people, including athletes, have every right boycott, shun, "refuse to compete in sports against Israeli athletes" or any version thereof because, contrary to jon's ridiculous assertion upthread, israel practices racist apartheid in the realm of sports in israel. ie: none of the jewish only settlement's teams operating out of illegally occupied palestine have incorporated palestinian players. and there's simply no denying palestinian players don't practice and participate in sports w/the freedom israeli jews do. the checkpoints, everything.

      plus, israeli players they don't get their feet and knees shot out or targeted for assassination the way palestinians do. nor do they get picked up and imprisoned under "administration detention" w/no charges the way palestinian athletes and heroes do. israel steals and murders their stars, their youth. it's a completely incomparable situation to jewish israeli athletes.

      seriously, you've got to be kidding us of you think people have such short memories. israel's targets children for assassination by bombing soccer games WHILE THEY ARE PLAYING and then they come back to bomb the funerals of those same kid days later killing even more people. or maybe you don't recall how the november 2012 gaza massacre started. (or was it 2011?)

      why don't you ask israel-palestinian former footballer Rifaat Turk is you think there's equality in israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifaat_Turk

      Turk was subjected to anti-Arab abuse during nearly every game he played

      could the IFA done something about that?

      israel is a racist apartheid state, regardless of how many redeeming features you or jon or peter beinart and anyone points out. nothing and no one has redeemed the abuse palestinians have suffered.

      and you have the gall to lecture us about "committing a hate crime that warrants the expulsion of the offending nations from international sports federations"!!!

  • Victim's daughter responds to anti-Arab attack in Oregon: 'I don’t want this to be considered a hate crime'
    • the privatization of incarceration has made it increasingly profitable for some entities to imprison the mentally ill. that's at the root of it. same with the privatization of schools, it's not what's best for the kids that matters, it's what's best for the entities who profit off sucking the tit of public funds, the federal budgets. they rally against the feds so they can reap the profit paid for by the tax payer instead. plus, it's cheaper for these private entities to hire prison guards than it is to hire health professionals.

      corporate interest, all about that.

  • UN agency labels Israel 'apartheid regime'-- and Israel likens organization to Nazis
    • Jews left there [Europe] have some supposed rights (plenty of unwritten discrimination in Eastern Europe)

      what "supposed" rights are you referencing? like they supposedly have some freedom of speech? and when you say "unwritten discrimination in Eastern Europe" do you mean by the governments, or by individuals?

  • Zionism and feminism are incompatible, leftwing voices say
    • conspicuous in the absence of the voices of Palestinian women. They are mentioned but their voices are absent.

      sparrow, Linda Sarsour was quoted extensively. for your review:

      “Can You Be a Zionist Feminist? Linda Sarsour Says No.” Sarsour says:

      I was quite surprised and disturbed by [Shire’s] piece. When you talk about feminism you’re talking about the rights of all women and their families to live in dignity, peace, and security. It’s about giving women access to health care and other basic rights. And Israel is a country that continues to occupy territories in Palestine, has people under siege at checkpoints—we have women who have babies on checkpoints because they’re not able to get to hospitals [in time]. It just doesn’t make any sense for someone to say, “Is there room for people who support the state of Israel and do not criticize it in the movement?” There can’t be in feminism. You either stand up for the rights of all women, including Palestinians, or none. There’s just no way around it.

      ====

      Sarsour: It’s been a little surprising to the [right-wing Zionists] to see [Palestinian-American] women in leadership roles in social-justice movements because [they are realizing] it means that the Palestinian Liberation Movement and the Palestinian Solidarity Movement are gaining traction among young people and people of color in the United States. And I will say this, yours seems like a short list. The fact of the matter is that there are hundreds of Palestinian women organizing, but not all of them are visible. And I’ll tell you why. You’ve probably seen that any visible Palestinian-American woman who is at the forefront of any social-justice movement is an immediate target of the right wing and right-wing Zionists. They will go to any extreme to criminalize us and to engage in alternative facts, to sew together a narrative that does not exist. So, fortunately, we’re still in a moment in our country where we have the freedom of speech and the right to organize, but we have another layer as Palestinian American women, where we have to deal with threats, slander, and libel in mainstream and right-wing media. This work that we do is not easy, but I feel hopeful we are part of a movement now. One with young people, and people of color in particular, who are really taking on the cause and really embracing us as Palestinian, American, Muslim women.

  • An unlikely dramatic hero, poet Taha Muhammad Ali takes the Kennedy Center stage
  • Israel detains one activist and deports another, amid int'l outcry over boycott ban
    • amazon can ban selling porn if they want jon. what's this, "decide not to sell"? oh, i am not boycotting israel, i am just deciding not to purchase products or services from them.

  • No space for Zionism
    • The zionists spent considerable effort propagandizing Jews of the other Middle-Eastern countries to emigrate to Israel.

      they did a lot more than that. they tried to bargain with iraq to get them to 'trade' iraq's jews and replace them with palestinians. when iraq said no they tried other means including blowing up the american library in baghdad, exactly the same method they tried in egypt later and got busted. google the lavon affair.

      israel was desperate to get arab jews to come to israel to occupy palestinian homes and provide a labor force. after much shinanigans to make that happen (some of it worked, some didn't) they now frame themselves as the victims of the plan they wanted all along. sheesh.

    • my bold:

      Shire, boasts about being a “proud feminist” who should not have to ”sacrifice my Zionism for the sake of my feminism”– an interestingly oxymoronic statement which ignores the reality that Zionism is directly antithetical to feminism. If we are to have an international feminist movement, one that is inclusive of intersectional politics that fully reject white supremacy, how can one call for the inclusion of a political position which advocates for and enacts violence against Palestinian women?

      jeff, you stated the author was "simply writing superficial gibberish filled with leftish cliche", then you cherry picked that blockquote up there and responded:

      First off Devyn excellent analogy. Emily Shire is making much the same point. She wants a feminism that is totally indifferent to non-feminist concerns, and focus exclusively on issues of gender and sex. Dr. Shire isn’t unaware of intersectional politics she rejects them.

      what on earth are you talking about??? shire is most definitely not making the same point at all. nor is the author making an analogy, as far as i can see.

    • “Black liberation” is not a Jewish vital interest its a hobby for Jews that happens to land mostly on your side. Israel conversely is a Jewish vital interest. Understand what tying the two issues together means in both directions. The firestorm regarding the BLM platform is a warning shot.

      warning of what?

      I suggest you ask you parents or grandparents about what Jewish opposition felt like in the early 1970s.

      a little suggestion for the untermenschen reminding them not too get uppity. after all, Black liberation is merely a "hobby for Jews".

    • wow, the hasbrats are all over this article. must have hit a nerve. great article Devyn Springer!

      and i am reminded of my tweet the other day to emily shire:

  • Michael Walzer wonders if Israel 'will let me in'
    • As for BDS not working: If it weren’t working, the Israelis would not be busting ass to fight it.

      bds is moving in one direction and one direction only -- it's expanding. the only thing that would halt that expansion is a U-turn on israel policy, which won't happen. no amount of screaming or hysterics or claims of anti semitism will halt the growth of bds. unless they come up with some way to close down the internet.

      people know what's happening there and it's (clearly) a crime against humanity. and the most robust hasbara they've come up with to stem the tide of criticism (besides the anti semitism ad hominem) is the claim israel is singled out and not treated like other countries? but what other county does the US support who is actively colonizing another? none. or maybe morocco. i would support a non violent boycott for equality in morocco. has anyone organized one? or is that something palestinians should do also, to not be accused of targeting their oppressors? why should palestinian not target israel??? and why should we not support them in their movement? fear of accusation/retribution? it makes no sense.

  • Some Jews support BDS 'from a place of love' for Israel, says AJC official
    • with a careful reading, no women and kids were murdered in gaza either /s

    • mhughes, yes it is a logical consequence and it's more likely than not that people seeking solutions with a genuine effort to understand what's going on (be they zionists, anti zionists, or neither) will reach this logical conclusion. i wasn't referencing the average person or thinker, i was referencing the organized coordinated campaign to fight bds of which kogen is a part. the people on the front lines who all take their marching orders from the same place, whether they be kool aid drinkers or not, the structural campaign to fight bds. and i believe that campaign will fail because it relies and is dependent on a basic belief that people supporting bds are primarily motivated by hatred, which is a stupid, unrealistic and unsustainable belief.

    • surely it can be conceded to those who, whether or not Jewish, reject the Zionism to which BDS is a response that we may not be ignorant, prejudiced, irrational or vicious.

      of course it can! the constant accusations of hatred used to broad brush the entire bds movement (with few exceptions) is not because it's true, it's because it's the chosen defense, the overall strategy against the bds movement> ad hominem strawman (see my comment below).

    • Seffi Kogen used the terms "hate" and "hatred" 8 times in his haaretz op ed, never once referencing his own (assuming he has some which he would likely deny, he's just an expert on opponents so called hatreds). this accusation is a mainstay of israel advocacy as is the accusation of anti semitism (which amounts to the same thing). it's a crutch that demonstrates a complete unwillingness/denial to accept non violent resistance to end the occupation and as i see it, basically nothing more than a dressed up ad hominem attack -- demeaning the character of the opponent instead of the argument.

      the core of this kind of defense against advocates of bds is continually hammered home over and over and over again to position advocates of bds in the defensive position of "no i am not an anti semite", but i don't think it's going to work, it hasn't yet anyway.

      i think it takes a certain kind of brainwashing to buy into this kind of fear of being accused. so when these jewish liberal zionists find themselves with ruffled feathers over this latest legislation that may keep them out of israel, it's because what they perceive is that they too are being accused of anti semitism. ouch!

      but other people who have not been drinking the mothers milk of fear of anti semitism since birth don't perceive it the same way, because they do not fear being falsely accused of anti semitism.

      Kogen wants people to see the nuance and far more complexity to the conflict, as if it will erase the ongoing crimes. he wants us to believe, as he writes in haaretz, there is a left equivalent of the alt right (there isn't) and that "the alt-left looks at Israel’s beaches, filled with Muslim, Jewish, and Christian women—in burkinis, bikinis, and everything in between—and sees apartheid.".

      no, the left looks at ethnically cleansing palestinian villages in the negev to be replaced with jewish only towns and sees apartheid. he willfully ignores blatant laws that privilege jewish citizens of israel and deny palestinian israelis the same rights.

      like everyone else defending israel he doesn't advocate israel ever change their behavior or policy, he just demonizes the critics. so what is the purpose of these panels? to assuage the hurt feelings of the liberal zionists? to justify their positions over and over? why not a panel to bring them up to speed as to why bds is growing? other than the simple explanation that everyone who advocates for bds is a hater and an anti semite. it's like a big echo chamber of them talking to themselves and reassuring themselves.

      and then this:

      I think they are misguided– but who do so from a place of love. ...... These are people who don’t hate Israel. You would be hard pressed to pin a charge of antisemitism on them that would actually stick. And so when we create this kind of caricature of them, I think it prevents us from accurately dealing with the problem that actually exists on campus.

      ah, no. when they create this kind of caricature, it prevents them from accurately dealing with the problem that actually exists in israel.

      which of course, is the point. to protect israel -- not to fix the problem.

  • 'Fake news' isn't news or new: Remembering the 2003 US invasion of Iraq
  • Open Letter: Against the blacklisting of activists and writers
    • it’s a deflection from the signers and what is at stake for them to argue over whether Khalek is an “apologist,” for Assad.

      i generally ignore ad hominem accusations from people who offer no argument (example/citing/quoting the accused). it's a waste of time.

    • agreed

    • addiction myth, i'm still not getting how lack of free speech in Russia is at the root of the problem here. maybe i'm just missing something.

    • I find Khalek’s views as a Soviet/Assad apologist reprehensible

      your choice of "apologist" framing tells us more about you than it tells us about khalek.

      I think the root of the problem is lack of free speech in Russia

      hmm. the root of what problem?

      I would have loved to hear her speak but I defend any groups’ right to choose.

      it's a little late for that. the time to defend SJP right to choose their speaker would have been before they canceled that choice (likely) due to whining, whimpering and bullying they found to be insurmountable.

  • Trump warns annexation of West Bank will cause 'immediate crisis' between US and Israel - Lieberman
  • Banksy's 'Walled Off Hotel' is a form of gentrification
    • It encourages a veiled forgiving attitude towards what is, in fact not “a simple divide between the people,” as Banksy writes. Rather, it is simple and present and material.

      Contrary to Banksy’s statement, this “simple divide “is not a “lie”

      but Banksy's statement didn't call the wall a "simple divide", he said the wall "sells the idea there is a simple divide ... but there isn’t."

      i also do not think he reduced the Palestinian struggle to:

      a mere “disadvantage” in comparison to Israelis

      when, in fact, he called it a "great disadvantage". "mere" and "great" having opposite connotations.

      i think it's fair to critique the project with less than glowing appraisal if you don't like it, but i'd emphasize accuracy in characterizing his words. some may be left up to interpretation, others not so much.

      encourages this false non-partisan silence when it comes to the Palestinian Question, falsely depoliticizing it and misleading his guests into assuming this pseudo-neutrality, and effectively siding with the oppressor.

      i didn't interpret it as such.

      as for the colonial nature, it being the centenial year of the signing of the balfour it's my understanding the project will be up for one year -- and then after that who knows. but it's an art project, a living installation. it's supposed to make the guests feel uncomfortable. that is (often) what art does and is supposed to do.

      as far as the allegation the project "capitalizes" on the occupation, it draws attention to it yes. it would probably take quite a long time to financially profit off it since the expense to install it was likely costly. i sincerely doubt his intent was to make money off his art and he mentioned it's been "donated to the community and their struggle & any person found attempting to steal from them, or deface hotel property, will be arrested". he usually leaves his art behind and inevitably others profit off it.

      excellent finale. as a centennial project, maybe that was his intent. for the guests to experience themselves as colonialists or something. it's direct, in your face.

  • Character assassination as a tool to silence a Palestinian activist
    • you speak very well for yourself bintbiba!

    • i urge everyone unfamiliar with malaka, or those of you who may recall her past mondoweiss articles but have forgotten them, to review some of them (available here http://mondoweiss.net/author/malaka-mohammed/ ) for a greater understanding of malaka's spirit and why she is so effective -- beginning with her 2013 article

      Being pessimistic is not a solution

      http://mondoweiss.net/2013/12/being-pessimistic-solution/

      recall, it was Malaka at a very young age who spearheaded and ran the campaign to release Samer Issawi, the longest hunger striker in history. you can read Issawi's letter to her in that amazing article, but i will post it here in case people are too lazy.

      To my sister, Malaka:

      Thank you for your great efforts and for your boundless spirit. I have the honour to know you as a sister through the campaigns of solidarity which you have arranged. I also congratulate your parents for having you; you are not just an activist but also a warrior beside the prisoners who are in hunger strikes and God willing, we will all obtain the imminent freedom, to meet in Jerusalem, and pray in the Al-Aqsa Mosque. What you are doing to support the prisoners shows that you are a true Muslim and a leader and that you will be able to assume strong leadership position possibly in the future. God willing, we will see you as a deputy in the Legislative Council to help your people who are in need of noble-minded people like you. Send my regards to all of the supporters, the Arabs and people from all over the world.

      Samer Issawi,
      Al- Ramla prison hospital

      and this was very early in her activism. knowing her and following her growth from gaza through to her experiences at sheffield (and beyond) her travels, (available) speeches, seeking her masters and phd against quite uncertain and dangerous circumstances, -- i posit her path into the future has a silver lining. her optimism and determination are contagious and heroic. and she is a genuinely gracious, efficient and beautiful person to work with.

      this slander against her is disgusting and all too predictable from the pro israel crowd who've demonstrated clearly nothing is beneath them.

    • Why are the CAA and so much media dedicated to attacking me? Is it because I’m a Palestinian woman from Gaza daring to speak out and enjoying the respect of many?

      it is because you are a highly effective charismatic activist, loved, respected and sought out by many as a speaker and representative not just for Palestine, but for humanity. you are effective as a person and it's likely you will become famous, or more famous i should say, and their slander against you is an attempt to cut you off at the nearest pass.

      And they are doing it in the most effective way they know how, as demonstrated in the AJ investigation "anti-Semitism claims are prime weapon for UK Israel lobby" - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2017/01/accusations-semitism-primary/#sthash.LiUyfaap.dpuf

  • Israel's neverending occupation is bringing 'infamy' to Jews worldwide, making Jewish life 'precarious' -- Tony Klug
  • Finders Keepers in the Holy Land: So who was there first?
    • i don't run it, not even moderating anymore. these are my personal comments.

    • shorter boris -- 'i'm going to totally ignore all of your responses and make even more illogical and inflammatory statements -- now, discuss what i said.'

    • now, with strong Israel this process will be reversed.

      you can now sleep soundly rest assured that, like the chinese, jews will be billions strong in a few thousand years, the global majority -- no doubt, because of israel.

    • I’d also assert that nationalities are a matter of reality not law.

      you can assert all you want jeff but in israel nationalities are a matter of law, that's a reality. the term "nation" has two meanings. it's typically been used (when i was growing up for example, always) to connote a state of people regardless of what ethnicity they are. but there's been a recent upsurge in the usage of the term to be applied to "a people". and the state of israel refers to the term "nation" as the jewish people. therefore they will commit to know definition of nation that includes "others", hence no nation of israel and all it's citizens.

      There doesn’t exist a Jewish nationality.

      not according to the state of israel, hence, see their nationality law.

      your trump analogy is only applicable if you fix the definition of "sunny" as

      "bright with sunlight... cloudless, without a cloud in the sky, sun-drenched
      "a sunny day"

      but, like nation, there is another definition of sunny.

      (of a person or their temperament) cheery and bright.
      "he had a sunny disposition"
      synonyms: cheerful, cheery, happy, lighthearted, bright, merry, joyful, bubbly, blithe, jolly, jovial, animated, buoyant, ebullient, upbeat, vivacious

      so maybe for trump and his supporters it was very sunny indeed, as a matter of "fact".

      Israel is the restoration of Judaea

      uh huh, because judaea was a little high tech start up nation engaged in apartheid.

      I’d assert that everyone should enjoy civil rights where they are born.

      I’d assert that everyone should enjoy civil rights where ever they are born or regardless of where they are born.

      either way, you took a comment about human rights and flipped it (diverted it) into (off topic) advocacy hasbara for other states besides israel granting palestinians full citizenship thereby essentially advocating palestinians abandoning their refugee status and right to return. rather off topic but we caught your drift.

    • As people – they are all gone. Their genes have been inherited by other people .... We – the Jews – remain.

      what garbage.

    • "What I see" says the man with blinders on to block out all the light.

    • You’re using modern understandings of ethnicity that didn’t exist at the time. You’re trying to bend history to fit your ideology. -

      he's also using a modern understanding of "state", that didn't exist at the time, and he's doing it with fluidity, applying it when it suits his argument.

      when he says "Like Native Tribes in America who retain their claim to their ancestral land", he forgets native american tribes didn't have our modern understanding of state either. so what -- it's not their ancestral land anymore?

      "People who converted and severed their tie to Jewish people don’t have that right"

      this is insane logic. article 18 in the declaration of human rights says

      Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

      and Article 30:

      Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

      so whatever recognized rights to ancestral land he imagine jews have to palestine, can't be stripped by changing ones religion, or it would violate the declaration of human rights. and by his own standards one could make the argument that because native americans never declared a "state", the US is not their ancestral land.

      palestinians have much in common native americans. european colonizers of palestine, not so much.

      and the absurdity that someone like ivanka trump could gain a 'right to their ancestral homeland' in palestine ("It is in my blood, in my genes, and in my culture and identity.") over and above that of a palestinian by virtue of her faith is overwhelmingly difficult to comprehend. logically, requiring some kind of pretzel pilpul contortions.

    • The ethnic cleansing, massacres and colonialism needed to establish Israel can never be justified, regardless of who was there first. It’s a moot point. Even if we follow the argument that Palestinians have only been there for 1300 years, does this suddenly legitimize the expulsion of hundreds of thousands? Of course not. There is no possible scenario where it is excusable to perpetrate war crimes against a people. Human rights apply to people universally, regardless of whether they have lived in an area for a year or ten thousand years. -

      Jeff b: what I don’t follow isn’t why wouldn’t that line also apply to ethnic Palestinians born in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Iraq… That is a generalized belief that everyone should have citizenship where they are born as a human right. And then also why wouldn’t this apply to Israeli settlers? -

      there is no generalized belief that everyone should have citizenship where they are born as a human right. in fact, the universal declaration of human rights doesn't mention citizenship. maybe you're confusing human rights for civil rights. they are different although some human rights bleed into civil rights. here's a link you might find helpful distinguishing the differences: https://www.hg.org/article.asp?id=31546

      and here's another example of jeff's argument by strawman:

      I think you are asserting using colonial language that: a) There is racial difference between Israelis and Palestinians b) Israel discriminates on the basis of that racial difference. I would assert that racially Palestinians are the same as Mizrahi Jews. So here we do disagree.

      Fathi never asserted there was a "racial difference Israelis and Palestinians". so claiming he did and then disagreeing with him is winning an argument of your own making.

      The Israeli national identity can be extended to ethnic Palestinians and thus assimilate them into the nation which of course also assimilates them ethnically as well.

      israel's supreme court doesn't agree with you. they do not recognize an israeli nationality, they only recognize ethnic nationalities. and only jews are allowed favored national status, there's a whole slew of privileges they get over and above the rights of citizenship afforded to some palestinians and not afforded to others. israel has a "nationality law" that breaks down who gets what, i suggest you google it and get informed. definitely not equal. iow, you're just wrong.

      israel is an ethnic nationalist state that privileges jews by law, via their nationality law. no amount of "i think this" and whatever creative theories you may have will change that.

  • How to love Israel: 'Sometimes it'll hurt-- bad, but I will not walk away! I will not let you go!'
  • Are Bannon and Trump turning U.S. anti-immigrant enforcement agencies into their own paramilitary force?
  • Video: Due to power shortages in Gaza, Palestinian barber styles hair with fire
  • Palestinians in Hebron plead for international intervention to stop settler violence
  • Palestinian children get longer sentences for throwing stones than Israeli soldier got for killing a Palestinian
  • Campus wars
    • try this one David http://mondoweiss.net/2013/02/security-national-television/

      and if it doesn't work in morocco there are alternate links in the comment section you might try.

    • righteous Jews must start their own chapters of SJP...

      what do you mean by "their own", there are already many jews in SJP. do you mean a separate jewish justice for palestine? better to unite with all other SJP students, there's strength in numbers.

      and what message does that send when speakers invited by others are canceled and when jewish students invite the school allows the event? what privileged bs is that?

  • Israel bars Human Rights Watch director from entering country, calls org 'Palestinian propaganda'
    • Two gazan so-called ” journalists ” that were given funerals as soldiers by the military wing of Hamas. It’s those little details that always seem to slip through the maze of holes in Israel-haters brains that is not just curious but so predictable.

      dabakr, do you have any source link for this allegation about the journalists targeted by israel? because there was an investigation by human rights watch that found no evidence the targeted journalists were soldiers and determined their targeted killing was a war crime. https://www.hrw.org/news/2012/12/20/israel/gaza-unlawful-israeli-attacks-palestinian-media

      The Israeli military said that Mahmoud al-Kumi, 29, and Hussam Salama, 30, were “Hamas operatives” but gave no information to support the claim.

      Four Israeli attacks on journalists and media facilities in Gaza during the November 2012 fighting violated the laws of war by targeting civilians and civilian objects that were making no apparent contribution to Palestinian military operations.

      The attacks killed two Palestinian cameramen, wounded at least 10 media workers, and badly damaged four media offices, as well as the offices of four private companies. One of the attacks killed a two-year-old boy who lived across the street from a targeted building.

      The Israeli government asserted that each of the four attacks was on a legitimate military target but provided no specific information to support its claims. After examining the attack sites and interviewing witnesses, Human Rights Watch found no indications that these targets were valid military objectives.

      “Just because Israel says a journalist was a fighter or a TV station was a command center does not make it so,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “Journalists who praise Hamas and TV stations that applaud attacks on Israel may be propagandists, but that does not make them legitimate targets under the laws of war.”

      The four attacks struck a car containing two cameramen whom the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) alleged were “Hamas operatives”; antenna towers atop two buildings housing media that the IDF alleged were Hamas “operational communications infrastructure”; and two floors of a building housing media in which the IDF said it had “surgically targeted” a Hamas “intelligence and command center.”

      btw, we covered this story

      http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/nyt-predictably-comes-under-attack-for-reporting-israel-targeted-journalists-in-gaza/

      http://mondoweiss.net/2013/05/supporters-palestinian-journalists/

      http://mondoweiss.net/2013/05/newseums-investigation-thorough/

      As HRW reported:

      The two men’s families, interviewed separately, said the men were neither participating in the fighting nor members of any armed group. Human Rights Watch found no evidence, including during visits to the men’s homes, to contradict that claim. Hamas’s armed wing, al-Qassam Brigades, has not put either man on its official list of killed fighters– an unlikely omission if the men had been playing a military role.

      http://mondoweiss.net/2013/05/pressure-cameramen-journalists/

      newseum caved to pro israel groups. and israel deliberately slays journalists. that always seem to slip through the maze of holes in Islamophobic anti palestinian brains (such as your own) that is so very predictable.

  • Trump is putting the crunch on liberal Zionism
    • Two states is still the only solution, which is both politically possible (just barely…) and morally sound..... I’m not getting into the precise borders and percentages.....Any such agreement will entail compromises and will fall short of any notion of “justice”....

      jon s, if your two states fairy tale falls short of any notion of justice, and you will not mention precise borders and percentages, how can you make assertions two states would be morally sound?

      unless you're willing to advocate borders that share the land equally, each holding similar sovereignty. because there's nothing morally sound about a demilitarized palestinian state lacking justice on 20% of the land. that's not peace, that's surrender.

      and what would be the point of palestinians agreeing to this again (they have already agreed to this -- see palestine papers -- ) knowing israelis have continually refused to put forward border proposals (not to be confused with claims of border proposal ie olmert). why do you say this is barely possible?

    • i posit the vast majority of so called liberal zionists will go on hand wringing and not see their own culpability at facilitating this crime at all. the old shoot and cry. it didn't take a rocket scientist to see years ago israel was never going to allow a palestinian state. liberal zionists have just put a liberal face on something that's not and will never be liberal. dragging all this out for years and years supporting their "democracy" -- that never was anything of the sort.

      i'm so disgusted.

  • Scholars ask to have their names added to 'Professor Watchlist'
  • Israeli leaders read Trump's words as a permission slip
  • Israel interferes in our politics all the time, and it's never a scandal
  • Israel's efforts to erase Palestinian history reflect 'incremental genocide,' Ehrenreich says
    • Except that Jews had always lived in Eretz Yisroel.

      not the vast majority of them throughout history, no they did not.

      Jews had repeatedly tried to return to Eretz Yisroel over the course of a millenium.

      not the vast majority of them throughout history, no they did not.

  • To oppose Trump, Jews must join the fight against fascism and Zionism
    • Jews have the major claim to being the indigenous inhabitants

      no, they do not.

    • mayhem, interesting the author of your article complains he got "heap of name-calling and essentially no sincere analysis" when he offers virtually no evidence of his claims and his "analysis" is grounded logic such as 'the left has more "influence" on campus therefore they remain the biggest threat and therefore they are more anti semitic'. this is not a evidence of "left's anti semitism being more pronounced".

      in fact, he says himself, "Alt-right anti-Semitism, like right-wing anti-Semitism... is overt and stupid (meaning literally vulgar) and, therefore, is much easier to be tracked and combatted". so how could "left's anti semitism" be more pronounced? he further claims the left AS "masquerades" as anti zionism -- as if anti zionism has no validity.

      he says " I certainly don’t see why I can’t .. say that most of the “criticism” of Israel is anti-Semitic."

      well, him "certainly" not seeing why he can't make a claim is evidence of nothing. it's just a claim. he doubles down and says he "believes" and "concludes" the left is worse. he references "two forms of anti-Semitism " without ever establishing that anti zionism and criticism of israel is anti semitic.

      of course criticism of israel is and will continue to be more prevalent on campuses than anti semitism, which he "readily admit that the anti-Semitism wasn’t overwhelming" and even growing up "I can count the number of times I faced anti-Semitism on one hand", iow, not much.

      making inflammatory statements, as he did, like "if the crematoria come to these shores, left-liberals will also be to blame" does not an argument make.

      last night someone sent me the david projects 2012 "A burning campus rethinking israel advocacy on campus". the gist of it is that opinion of israel has shifted on campuses ( "dramatic increase in negativity" which curiously they do not ever connect to israel's actions -- gaza massacres etc) and since campuses are at the foreground of influence in america they need to combat this, "or craft an overarching strategy for how to deal with it.... A conceptual framework for understanding the situation for Israel on American campuses and a strategy for improving it is thus necessary."

      the situation has only gotten worse as awareness grows of israel's policy and oppression, so look at the tactic they are using:

      The central problem is that pervasive negativity toward Israel on key leading American university and college campuses is likely to erode long-term bipartisan support for the Jewish state. Campus has a heightened importance for Israel’s standing in the United States, as it is able to greatly impact the long-term worldview of a significant percentage of the population, as well as its opinion and political elite. It is further the mainstream venue where anti-Israelism finds the greatest acceptance.

      9. Campus also serves as the most important venue for disseminating anti-Israelism in American society. Anti-Israelists make effective use of the more widespread acceptance of anti-Israelism to promote their views both on campus itself and in general society.

      10. Throughout the report we use the term “anti-Israelism” to denote a specific form of bigotry targeted against the modern state of Israel. The key belief of anti-Israelism is that Israel is an illegitimate state with no moral claim to past, present, or continued existence under its own definition as a Jewish state. Anti-Israelism is usually, but not always, combined with longstanding anti-Jewish claims that the Jews are not a people, and therefore do not have the same rights (i.e. self-determination) as other peoples do. An “anti-Israelist” is a believer in anti-Israelism.

      what i am hearing here in 2012, is the david project is steering completely away from the central argument of palestinian activism -- that of the quest for equality and to end the occupation and end expanded settlements (colonization) . this argument, that jews are not a people, is not a widespread concern on the left. plus, it's rather irrelevant. instead of dealing with facts on the ground and policies of the state (continued expansion) this is couched in a language of 'we have a "moral claim" to the land and if you deny that you're denying our history and therefore an anti semite'.

      it's a bunch of bs to stop criticism of israel and it's not going to work. accusing ones adversaries of bigorty, as a central theme of countering criticism of israel, is merely an ad hominem attack and will continue to be viewed as such.

  • Celebrating Tu B’shvat, the 'new year for trees,' as ethnic cleansing continues
  • Despite fawning praise in press, Batsheva receives a cold welcome in Brooklyn for complicity in occupation
    • began their careers on scholarships from the America-Israel Cultural Foundation, a $100 million enterprise committed to supporting “artistic life in Israel by awarding grants.”

      that's a staggering amount of money. talk about privilege. especially considering how many people in israel live without running water, electricity, or public transportation.

  • Land Grab: Israeli Knesset passes law legalizing expropriation of privately-owned Palestinian land
    • Playing stupid is so cute

      catalan the slippery snake pretends we can't see the dodges and diversions, evading every single question/confrontation.

      So do you think that it is totally ok to steel from others, because your neighbours are stealing too??.....So take resposibility of your own thoughts and actions, stop hiding behind some massacres there happened somewhere else already ages ago.

      catalan playing dumb: what responsibility you want me to take and for what...Thank you for the reminder what a thought police would feel like!

      we're not thought police catalan, we're holding you accountable for your blatant diversions and support for a genocidal state. your playing stupid, twisting in the wind diversions, whatabouteries, and silly ad hominems.

    • That IS the era when International Law was codified prohibiting the acquisition of territory by coercive measures incl war.

      talknic, have you ever heard of inconvenient facts? because they are 10 times WORSE than alternative facts. just saying. how dare you!?!

    • You are choosing to focus on…. you might choose….according to…your whims…you are choosing to focus on…something you call “settler colonialist”…there are unique characteristics to Israel…expelling of civilian citizens in order to expand a state…I don’t think it matters that much …the case of the Israeli-Palestinian situation is unique …let’s not pretend…Israel is unique. Morally, I am on the fence.

      Talkback, shorter catalan: 'just one, but i'm not going to admit it, i'm going to pretend settler colonialism doesn't really exist and is no big deal'

  • Obama fostered spread of nuclear weapons because of his naivete, says head of Council on Foreign Relations
    • I am not aware of evidence for any other alleged attack either. Are you?

      there's a war going on so yes, i do think the syrian army has engaged in attacks. but a poisonous gas attack by the SAA? no, i am not aware of one.

    • Haass’s comments are noteworthy as an expression of an establishment Clintonite liberal interventionist critique of Obama that was surely murmured among Hillary Clinton and others in her circle in the last few years

      "surely murmured" is a tad of an understatement imho, considering the hammering meme throughout jeffrey goldberg's extensive "the obama doctrine" published at the atlantic.

      haass:

      The United States warned repeatedly that if Bashar al Assad used chemical weapons, that would constitute the crossing of a red line, and there would be serious consequences.

      initially obama was pushed and pressured into the CW red line statement. it came first as an answer to a journalist's question. probably spoon fed to that journalist straight from the lobby. then, once he made the statement israeli intel provided the smoking gun, not something confirmed by our own intel re clapper's "no smoking gun".

      so this meme is going to continued to be hammered home, it's now the official battering ram from the war party and serves as a warning to future presidents their legacy is at risk when/if they don't cater to the lobby/war agenda.

  • Jewless Holocaust. Israel first.
    • i think there was likely some toxic brew to cause the explosion, maybe aside from merely tension, jealousy, anger over anothers superiority, exclusivity, and pride. and we have many cities in the US, currently other than NYC, like L.A., chicago, miami, san francisco, philly etc, and the media too -- speaking of the incredible visibility of the jewish community. and we have not had a similar reaction at all. perhaps there was something else particular to the time. like for example, if people were hungry and couldn't eat and they somehow felt that jews were responsible for this. that might cause an explosive reaction. because i just don't think people become genocidal because they think other people act superior.

      it takes a while to instill hatred in others. for example, the continued racist messaging that's been going on since 9/11 against the muslim community in the US (thanks to all our rabid zios like david horowitz and so many many more of his ilk in sheep's clothing). that didn't exists that i recall when i was a child (although russians slept under my mattress, of course). so after decades of this kind of instilled conditioning of hatred, it seems more like some form of human (or animal) instinct how a society could accept or participate in genociding people.

  • The legislation that will be used to intimidate and imprison members of the Muslim community has been introduced
  • Jewish groups slamming Trump on refugees are hardhearted when it comes to Palestinian refugees
    • you are pushing your reader

      echi, just speak for yourself why not? if you feel some outside pressure to declare talknic is a robot or a parrot and you also have concluded this pressure ("pushing") is coming for talknic himself (which in itself seems weird because a robot would be programed to convince others he was real and therefore the act or pushing or pressure would not be part of the programing one might assume) then just say you feel talknic is pushing you or pressuring you. but you can't really speak for "your reader" on a public forum unless at least a few people have expressed such.

  • The Palestine Philharmonie -- an orchestra is born in Bethlehem
    • how is it a counterpoint dabakr? i don't understand. and did you read amira hass's article he linked to?

      And then came news that the state prosecutor had reached a plea deal with the lawyer of Border Policeman Ben Deri, who killed Palestinian teenager Nadeem Nawara in May 2014. We all saw the video footage: The soldiers and policemen faced no threat to life. And we all heard the IDF deny that there had been any use of live fire, but then had to admit Nawara was killed by a live bullet. His friend Mahmoud Salameh was also killed, and two others injured. All from live fire. Except the prosecution made do with only one indictment, against a single policeman, over one murdered youth – as if the others were shot by the devil. And even this the state wants to lessen to causing death through negligence. Okay, I told myself, I’ll give up on the master class; I’ll get to the concert at 6:30 P.M.
      The article was almost uploaded to the website when I received new information: There’s to be no plea deal. Deri’s lawyer, Zion Amir, doesn’t agree with the section that says the policemen and soldiers were not in mortal danger. I have to track him down and verify the information.
      I have to rewrite the news article and must give up the concert.

      read more: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.765209

    • Really wonderful Tom, thank you so much. words don't suffice..

  • Danwatch: Major EU pension funds invest billions in businesses linked to Israeli settlements
    • netanyahu just announced they approved 3000 more illegal settlement units, not including the announcement of 2500 last week.

      http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/224195

      Liberman and Netanyahu announce the construction of more than 3,000 new housing units in Judea and Samaria.

      Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman and Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Tuesday evening announced the construction of more than 3,000 new housing units in Judea and Samaria.

      Of the new units, 2,000 will be marketed immediately, according to an announcement from the Defense Ministry.

      “The decision comes as part of the return to normal life in Judea and Samaria and in order to provide a real answer to living and housing needs,” the statement said, adding that Tuesday’s announcement is in addition to the 2,500 units announced last week.

  • What would Anne Frank do?
    • the value is in the story and that it happened to her and that her diary survived and we can hear her voice, her age. it's an important documentation of her experience, which is important, vital given the era in which she lived and her tragic circumstance. but was she a literary genius as some claim? did she write a masterpiece? might be a stretch. was she wise beyond her years or does she represent and accurately reflect the awareness of many teens and children who've suffered through and died in wars.

      think of rawan at 16, or many other young gazan writers we've come to know. they are arguably more or as perceptive and talented as frank.

      think about it: http://mondoweiss.net/2011/01/gaza-two-years-later-from-beneath/

    • part of my father's library (two volumes as i recall, not the whole thing). may have them stashed but i think my brother has them. famous diary.

    • ah. hmm. i don't consider myself qualified to judge what is or what is not classical english literature, i leave that up to the experts.

      but as an adolescent, i couldn't get through her diary. i didn't like to read much as a child. but one book i was really impressed with and never forgot was escape from warsaw. i think it was the first page turner i can ever recall (other than eloise which doesn't really count as it's a kids book). for a young adult, i highly recommend escape from warsaw. whereas, i've read segments of frank's diary but never the whole thing -- although i started it several times. but what do i know about literature? not a heck of a lot. i like page turners.

    • she probably drew it a couple days before as a tribute to holocaust remembrance day too.

    • If you think a discussion of Anne Frank helps the cause of the Palestinians

      yonah, a lot of people discuss and critique holocaust literature. since there's been so much written about it it's become a genre. googling marc b's quote, i ran into this http://www.jewishbookcouncil.org/book/a-thousand-darknesses-lies-and-truth-in-holocaust-fiction

      Out of Atrocity, Art
      by Ruth Franklin

      In 1995, fifty years after the end of the war, a new Holocaust memoir was published to great acclaim. Its author was compared to Jean Améry, Paul Celan, and Primo Levi. It was championed virtually unanimously by critics, one of whom called it “so morally important, and so free from literary artifice of any kind at all, that I wonder if I even have the right to try to offer praise.”

      The book was Fragments, by Binjamin Wilkomirski. You know the rest of the story. The author was quickly revealed as an imposter. His unmasking made critics and academics alike wring their hands. How, they wondered, could this have been allowed to happen? But the real wonder is that it did not happen sooner. For Wilkomirski’s fraud was the inevitable consequence of the way Holocaust literature has been read and understood in the decades since the war—the focus of my book, A Thousand Darknesses: Lies and Truth in Holocaust Fiction.

      my point, is that scholars will always be debating what makes literature great and there will always be a variety of standards by which people judge literature. i don't know anything about Wilkomirski's book other than what i read here, but if it's great literature, as some believed before they found out he was a fraud, wouldn't that still be the case had he not tried to represent his story as being his own experience?

      i found this particularly interesting and can't recall having ever read about it before, but the way my memory is faulting me lately, i suppose i could have: http://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/08/books/an-authenticated-edition-of-anne-frank-s-diary.html

      To make her diary even more creative, she changed certain names in her second draft. For example, instead of calling her family Frank, she changed it to Robin; she became Anne Robin. And she attached other fictional names to people who were hiding from the Germans.

      After her father returned from Auschwitz, he decided to publish the diary. He included some of the events that she had recorded in her ''Tales.'' He restored the Frank family name that Anne had fictionalized, retained the fictional names that she had devised for other people, pared some of the criticism by Anne of her mother (who had also died in a concentration camp), and deleted some of the entries about her awakening sexual interest. Deletions by Her Father

      i guess she would have liked my name. i'm honored she chose one so similar to my own.

    • instead you post a 38 word hesitation

  • 'We have nowhere else to go': Bedouins say they will continue to rebuild as Israel carries out home demolitions at a record pace
    • the alleged bedouin waiter who allegedly has 38 siblings who allegedly spoke with your alleged wife? uh huh, why heavens no. even tho this is the internet, anonymous people (like you) can make up anything and claim it's true, because it's unverifiable. but again, by all means heavens no. in fact i would stake my own life on your truthieness jackdaw, a man of upstanding character and integrity -- i'm sure all would agree.

    • a Bedouin waiter told my wife

      oh please

  • The Quebec mosque shooting and the Zionist connection
    • traintosiberia, thanks for the link.

    • can you explain this anomaly?

      i doubt it. jon likes this source link. i asked him earlier

      do you think the wars we started there might be impacting that figure, as opposed to the ethnicity of the people.

      - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2017/01/promise-jerusalem-international/#comment-867872

      and he answered

      the regional conflicts are worsening the situation. Ethnicity, culture, I don’t know enough about the Arab region to have that sort of insight

      among other things (sourced), i ask him:

      do you think the US using takfiri salafists (AKA “rebels”) to carry out their proxy wars might be a contributing factor to the growth of extremism within those regional conflicts?

      and he didn't respond. but he likes that link. just not the context.

    • given that it was Muslim terrorism and therefore probably not of interest.

      did you mean given that it was not muslim terrorism?

  • Netanyahu's tweet for Trump suggests two leaders have cut a deal on Jerusalem or Iran, says former ambassador
  • Why the Personal Has Always Been Political: an Iranian-American reflects on the Trump executive order on refugees
    • thank you so much Noushin Framke. i'm a news junkie too, i know what you mean about family. congrats on passing your passion on to your daughters. and i love your photos.

  • Rallies at White House and airports across the US as outrage builds over Muslim ban
  • Trump's anti-interventionism helped him win, says Obama's former Middle East adviser
    • that does not mean that right-wingers are not interested in human rights. They just prefer (usually) to put the emphasis on liberty rights

      so be it. tho there are quite a lot of rightwingers who could give a damn about liberty for palestinians.

    • RoHa, please link to a source defining "classical" rights (as i did), then maybe i can understand what you're referencing, since obviously you ignored my source.

      if you don’t know what i mean by “human rights”, google it.

    • No need to get into a debate about how useful Israel is

      how convenient for you! since they are not useful to us at all!

      That’s why putting numbers without context is manipulative.

      ok, here's some context. U.S. total military assistance to foreign countries is $10.57 billion. almost 1/2 of that goes to israel! and for what? oh, you don't go there. lol. no need to get into a debate about how useful Israel isn't. Israel is costly to the US, it's a one way street. they should be paying us instead and 60% of dems want them sanctioned over their settlement expansion according to the latest brooking poll.

    • effective American military outpost? in what way? and it's not "3 billion or so", it's more like 4 billion or so.

      we give them 10 million dollars every single day. outrageous. and how many days, in the last 69 years, has there been a detachment of american troops stationed there? effectively, there has not ever been an american military outpost in israel.

      what our money is "effectively" doing, is colonizing the rest of palestine, expanding the israeli state. how is that in our interests?

      our national debt is over 18 trillion, what does israel give us other than false intel designed to get the US to fight wars in israel's interests, not ours?

      https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/12171

      https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328

    • all that aside mooser, you asked "where's the intersecting interest?", and i answered.

      ie, i bet david horowitz and pam gellar are loving this muslim ban. netanyahu too.

    • It seems to me that the right is very interested in the classical rights of the individual, in personal liberty ...... I think you are mistaken in regarding human rights as being low on the priorities of right-wingers.

      i'm just not so sure i'd categorize "classical" rights as compatible with human rights

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

      These beliefs were complemented by a belief that labourers could be best motivated by financial incentive. This led classical liberal politicians at the time to pass the Poor Law Amendment Act 1834, which limited the provision of social assistance, because classical liberals believed in markets as the mechanism that would most efficiently lead to wealth. Adopting Thomas Malthus's population theory, they saw poor urban conditions as inevitable; they believed population growth would outstrip food production, and they regarded that consequence desirable, because starvation would help limit population growth. They opposed any income or wealth redistribution, which they believed would be dissipated by the lowest orders.[14]

      Drawing on selected ideas of Adam Smith, classical liberals believed that it is in the common interest that all individuals must be able to secure their own economic self-interest, without government direction.[15] They were critical of the welfare state[16] as interfering in a free market. They criticised labour's group rights being pursued at the expense of individual rights,[17] while they accepted corporations' rights being pursued at the expense of inequality of bargaining power noted by Adam Smith:[18]

      either way, as i've repeated, i don't think it's necessarily a left or right issue. there are many reasons why the right would be interested in israel/palestine. for one thing, spending billions a year on a country that offers us very little in return. as far as the US/israel relationship, they are a welfare state.

    • i don't think human rights is a big priority for the right. but in my response i tried to communicate i think the Palestinian cause has elements that interest both the Left and Right.

    • rabid islamophobia?

    • I think the term racist, when thrown around so easily, is Leftwing jargon.

      i called the muslim ban racist because it is. even Giuliani, in describing it, said it was set up as a "muslim ban", and how to make it legal http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/316726-giuliani-trump-asked-me-how-to-do-a-muslim-ban-legally. i don't throw it around easily, it's a racist policy and when we discussed it the other day i explained why it was, so i'm not going into it again today.

      Why make this Palestinian cause Left or Right wing?

      hm, i think of it as left oriented because i'm left and i come at it from a human rights perspective. but i think there's lots of reasons the right would also, naturally, be interested in it. fiscally among other reasons, like bending over for a little bossy country. i don't think of it as left or right exclusively. i think of it as an american issue that should concern all of us.

      When I say Trump hater, I am referring specifically to those who didn’t seem to mind the awful neocon and neoliberal policies of Obama and HRC, but see such evil in Trump

      sorry, maybe i misunderstood you. anyway, there are many people who do not like hillary clinton and neoliberal policies who have a problem with trump. speaking personally, it doesn't mean i oppose everything about him, ie, i think a rapprochement with russia would be a very good thing.

      I think phil is right about the press playing down anti-interventionism. i think it's a big deal and the primary reason clinton lost among a large segment of the left (the anti war coalition). and i encounter this a lot on twitter (i am not on FB) this insistence it was all bernie's fault and if it weren't for bernie bros etc etc. but i felt all along i had to make a choice between supporting the slaughter of millions of muslims overseas or having all hell break lose domestically. and i felt Americans should suffer this time, not foreigners. that we should pay a price for the horror we've inflicted, instead of more foreigners. i didn't vote for trump, but i wouldn't replace him for hillary right now. i think we need to purge the neocons from influencing our foreign policy -- hopefully once and for all. i think lots of americans feel that way. that's not only about my feelings towards palestine and israel, it's because of the havoc we've raised in so many countries in the middle east. i'm a non interventionist.

    • Most of his haters don’t seem to have a clue that their failed candidate, HRC, was the warmonger.

      what? do you think every sanders supporter who didn't vote for hillary voted for trump? believe me, we didn't. a lot of people who do not like trump are well aware clinton is a warmonger. and she was not "my" failed candidate either. of course, i don't categorize myself or everyother person protesting trump and his racist muslim ban as a "hater". it's really rightwing (and zionist) jargon.

    • not sure how far one could dig into this story. the paragraph before says

      Kushner and Bannon have been heavily involved in the Trump administration's early dealings with some European partners, leading during both phone calls and in-person meetings with diplomats and government officials.

      that "discussion" may have been over the telephone. it also appears the source for the info was likely an anonymous diplomat. and while it may correctly be summed up as “yelling” or a “babyish rants”, it might not. i don't know the nature of his character enough to judge. phil says he's steely. one can angrily denounce without yelling and ranting.

    • Jared Kushner supposedly yelling at the British about the Security Council resolution

      do you have a link?

  • Signs you may be a 'normalizer'
    • he is a fellow at winep, that's an aipac think tank.

      he says things like "normalization is an essential step in the process to end the conflict." normalizing apartheid and occupation is not part of the process to end the occupation. palestinians joined these groups and tried this for decades and the noose kept getting tighter. it didn't work.

      he says things like "These activists demand severing all contact between Palestinians and Israelis" which is not true and contradicts the very definition he himself cited at the beginning of his essay.

    • I suppose he could lecture the US Jewish community on its support for Zionism and Israel’s Occupation and Apartheid system.

      exactly!

      btw, feel free to disagree w/me everyone. i hope you'll know i'm just giving my opinion like everyone else here. i'm not speaking for the site or anything.

    • i wasn't all up in arms about the original WH statement -- not really my neck of the woods. but i think we have come to expect a degree of professionalism in our official protocol wrt WH/presidential statements. so issuing a second statement saying they purposely chose not to mention jews wrt the holocaust seemed particularly harsh. they could have simply stated 'we chose to address all human suffering and had no intent of offending the jewish community who of course suffered greatly' or something like that. but the 'not mentioning Jews out of respect for non-Jews' line just seems utterly jarring in it's lack of diplomacy/sensitivity, definitely not presidential. kind of a jab in the eye intended to aggravate.

      if his intention is to offend the jewish community or put them in their place or something, he shouldn't use the holocaust to do it. there are plenty of other ways.

    • like i said, there's no need to mention jews "less" to acknowledge the other people who died.

      Bannon and Miller are just the guys to handle that transition in a scholarly and respectful fashion.

      omg.

      edit, and i didn't mean you were harsh mooser, i meant the statement in the article was harsh.

    • wow, that's harsh mooser.

      According to White House spokeswoman Hope Hicks, the statement made no mentions of Jews out of respect for the non-Jews who died in Nazi labor camps and death camps during World War II. Hicks told CNN: "Despite what the media reports, we are an incredibly inclusive group and we took into account all of those who suffered."

      you can respect non jews who died in the holocaust by simply mentioning them too. instead, they were "inclusive" by -- mentioning neither?

      meanwhile, don't forget jackie walker got dragged thru the mud in the UK media for suggesting also honoring others suffering on holocaust day.

    • Where were they during the Arab conquest

      palestinians? they were there, probably a lot of them were arab jews or arab christians who converted to islam.

      simple really. neither elongated nor semantically twisted, just common sense and logical.

    • that's not true, i think we can all multitask. this weekend for example, look at the mobilization over the muslim ban: http://mondoweiss.net/2017/01/airports-outrage-refugees/

      no one has to "tear down Israel" before focusing on the ban.

    • i thought it was an excellent article. in the eyes of the beholder i suppose.

  • Trump administration has no comment on Israeli settlement boom
    • kate, thank you so much for your incredible dedication especially during a time of such personal hardship in your life. your work is so appreciated here, i don't know what we'd do without your lists, they are invaluable, and so are you. thank you -- w/love.

  • Leading Clintonite worries that Trump will sell out Israel in forging deal with Russia
    • it's my understanding Crimea's population was majority russian even before the western backed color revolution. (it's 58% currently)

      Crimeans wanted to rejoin Russia..” ? Really?? Where did you get this fact??

      the election.

      If the Crimeans wanted to rejoin Russia, why did it need a Russian army intervention to do it??

      maybe it didn't interest them that much until the (pro russian) democratically elected president of the ukraine was overthrown in a coup by western backed (heavily funded and supported) color revolutionaries, thanks to people like victoria nuland who's job it was to destabilize the urkraine.

      and when you say "tataars have since then escaped to the area of East Ukrain" -- do you mean recently? were they being held hostage? i didn't hear about that. do you have a link?

    • true

  • The dismal cartography of Trump's pre-fascist state (and opportunities for progressive populism)
  • A woman's right to choose (her government)
    • citizen, i don't get to choose whether i give israel my money. i don't get to choose to dump millions of dollars into usaid programs in foreign countries constrained by limitations set by christian conservative pro lifers either (we don't stop the family planning aid, we just spend it on what christian conservative pro lifers want). it's the same money going to these programs, it's just structured around what they think is moral. and they take my money just the same. meanwhile, the expenses incurred by society (over long periods) to support some of these unwanted (at conception) children, is an expensive for society, certainly in comparison to the price of terminating a pregnancy. what choice do i have whether i agree to pay for that?

      women who have money can afford their own abortions, they can afford to choose. they can afford to travel to a place offering safe abortions, often at great expense emotionally and otherwise. it's women who can't afford it who get screwed.

      Do pro-choice women get to choose not to pay for ineffective family planning methods that don't have a good track record of lowering birthrates? via government legislation and insurance contracts? no, we don't.

  • Israeli gov't doesn't really want US to move embassy to Jerusalem -- Foxman
    • yep, i mentioned that the other day. i googled kennedy curious if he was the related to the brothers and noticed he chaired the investigation into blackwater. then i recalled an article i read prince and his sister were best buddy w/trump. hmm.

    • the left decided to give the rich a big gift because Hillary was not good enough

      really? i wonder how many of the left "decided" to give the rich a gift? aren't you forgetting clinton's ties to wall street, or is that just a figment of my imagination?

      I live, right in the middle of the country, people seem pretty happy

      you're in new mexico right? albuquerque or something?

    • The media do not reflect accurately normal life with their focus on the unusual.
      Four years of Trump with republican congress will be much better for big investors than four years of Hillary.

      sorry, i missed the connection here. you sort of jumped from media to the economy. 8 years w/obama was a huge boon for the top one percent.

    • yes, it cost her the election that a significant portion of left didn't like her, and the gop despised her and brought out their base. and independents, the largest voting block in the american electorate (the majority of whom generally vote democratic), they didn't like her either. let this be a lesson to the dem party, as they keep moving right (shumer said, for every working class voter we lose we'll gain 2 moderate republicans), you need the left (the anti war coalitions). you lose the left and you lose the presidency and congress and the supreme court.

      this should not surprise anyone, it's well known and it's been known for a long long time. in all the national polls bernie did better in a match up w/trump than clinton (by 12 pts!) did. but, the dem establishment wanted her regardless, and they backed her, and she lost. so, was it the left's fault? or was it the dnc/dem establishment for backing the wrong horse? the dems better learn a lesson here, they can't afford to lose the left. and they should have backed the candidate that had the wind at his back (as obama did when the superdelegates started backing him, as they should have, as his momentum was on the rise, like bernie's was with those 20-30k crowds gathering on the campaign trail) and the support of the independents, the largest voting block in the country. stupid to go after moderate gop.

      they gambled they could scare the left w/trump (as revealed in the clinton emails). and they lost, they have no one to blame but themselves.

    • just, re the wapo article. pat kennedy, undersecretary of management, chaired an investigation into blackwater, so trump's friend prince (also sister to devos, our new education secretary -has she been confirmed yet?) probably wanted him gone.

  • Muslims in the US brace for Trump immigration ban
    • much love gamal

    • i have friends, a married couple, she's vietnamese and he's iranian. they are both americans. every year his family visits him here. is it fair that he can't invite his sister to visit him anymore but his wife can invite her sister to visit, based strictly on their ethnicities, because of his religion?

    • how is ensuring a nation stays 70% white protecting "the demographic balance in a nation" if the nation isn't "balanced" in the first place.

      it's racist to bomb muslim countries, create millions of muslim refugees, and then allow in every demographic of refugee and immigrant except the ones you're bombing.

      if you can't figure out that is a racist policy you've got some marbles gone astray.

  • Maryland legislature, which supported boycotts of grapes and South Africa, targets BDS
    • Why do our politicians keep telling us US & Israel have the same values

      talking pts and slogans like this are well thought out by people like frank luntz and then carefully chosen by think tanks. then they are shoveled, via the lobby, to politicians as part of the dues that must be paid -- obligations that must be fulfilled. those politicians, in turn, force feed them to the american people.

    • yes i agree amigo.

    • we are a civic state, not an ethnic state. our system/structure of government is fundamentally different than zionism, regardless of how much we, or our citizens, support and empower zionism.

      that's my opinion and i'm sticking with it.

      https://msu.edu/user/hillrr/161lec16.htm

    • America itself is a Zionist entity.

      no i don't think it is although there are many zionists here.

  • More and more people see 'one state only' but Remnick fears it will be like Bosnia
    • harvey, we've covered other ideas, some articles referencing your first group mentioned: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/06/palestine-oppressed-normalization/
      http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/controversy-ignites-flotilla/

      your second link, which says equality for all, also says this:

      Establishment of a federal government, and the division of the country into 30 cantons, about 20 of which will have a Jewish majority and ten with an Arab majorities (one of which will have a Druze majority).
      Establish of an additional house of representatives: the Council of Cantons.

      so how does that work out to equality in a population demographically split equally between two people? represented by a council where one demographic has 1/2 the representation as the other? can you explain that to me?

      the graphic is in hebrew (i can't read it), but the west bank is broken into 10(?) green sections so one could assume those are the "arab majority" cantons. but north, central and western galilee, is a palestinian majority region of israel. "The Jewish Agency has attempted to increase the Jewish population in this area" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galilee#Demography

      so why wouldn't the cantons in the galilee w/a palestinian majority population, be palestinian majority cantons? why not have 30 cantons w/15 each? why create a new additional house of representatives that gives one ethnicity twice as much representation as the other? i just don't get it.

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