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Annie Robbins

Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani

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  • Jeffrey Goldberg is Jewish
    • i've been offline (broken computer and still can't access my email or twitter because i forgot my passwords) and just reading this today. rosenberg also attacked me in the article and claimed we deleted the article from our site -- we didn't, it's right here: link to

      btw, the "html" at the end of many of our old articles is no longer there since we changed servers. therefore, if you get a link you can't open (like this: link to ) just erase the ".html" from the end of it and you should be able to access the page.

  • New statement calls on the movement to focus on Palestine, not divisive internal conflicts
    • It addresses one dynamic within the solidarity movement that the folks who wrote the letter and presumably the others who have signed it believe is having destructive effects.

      but that one dynamic, as it reads above, seems very inclusive to many aspects within the movement tho (labour,syria etc.)

      If we had tried to address all the issues you list, I’m not at all sure all the drafters could have come to any agreement

      so then the drafters don't have to confront trying to adhere to their own principles when it comes to topics and subjects they don't agree with?

      Activists will not always agree and may have significant differences on tactics, policies and other issues – including different opinions on the cases below.

      but if the all the drafters can't agree on the very principle itself if it applies to attacks within our (palestinian) movement regarding syria then it seems strange -- you don't mean "including" the cases below, you mean regarding the cases below.

      it's a stronger petition without your selective examples. there's no need to mention labour and syria, but once you start listing examples while eliminating examples you can't agree on, or examples your supporters can't agree on, then it just seems like you want the principle to apply when it aligns with your views. hmm.

      anyway, now that i know this, i'd like my name removed please -- if there's a way of doing that.

      and i'm sorry the full text was edited down, even tho i like it better the way it reads here. i just opened it and scrolled where it said sign -- assuming it was what i read above. my mistake. and i'm very sorry for characterizing it as very misleading and underhanded, especially since you attempted to include all of it. but i'm still disappointed and think the selection is not smart, especially now knowing the drafters wouldn't have been able to agree on it if it included incidences in which they themselves are divided. knowing that, i don't think i want to be part of it anymore.

    • i think it's unfortunate that the petition, when you open it, is not identical to what's written here. especially in light of what's been going on in the UK w/ the labour party (huge witchhunt) and who knows what and where elsewhere on the planet. as well as all the recent stuff about max blumenthal's reporting, which is very much dividing the palestine community including people saying they didn't want him advocating for palestine anymore if he didn't adhere to their principles/opinion on syria .. the additional text in the petition makes it appear as tho when you are signing it you are agreeing -- not just in principle -- but about these certain incidences that are particularly personal to the people who penned the petition.

      also, the additional text in the petition references JVP 12 times, yet not once in the text here. that's very misleading considering this is not merely a local issue and certainly not limited to jvp (or campaign to end the occupation).

      i signed the petition because i agreed with text here, in principle. but i felt it was underhanded posting one thing here and another on the linked petition itself, as well as the (obviously limited) examples that are personal to the people who wrote the petition -- and i think it will limit the amount of people who will sign onto it as a result (i almost didn't because of clear limitations regarding the examples). and i also wonder if some of the people who signed on to it would have done so if it had included mention (examples) of the palestinian activists who did, essentially, the same thing to blumenthal.

      not smart imho. and disappointing. it's not inclusive and only seeks commitment from a portion of the movement -- leaving others off the hook.

  • New ad campaign in college papers calls out Israeli leaders' bigotry against Palestinians
    • plus, it's completely absurd to claim, wrt anti semitism, "the subjective opinion of the targeted group [jews] has not been taken into consideration."

      besides, the journalist is not being completely honest. because what's clear to me, wrt Jews deciding what's antisemitic, is that this is not a "starting point" -- it's an ending point. and as long as accusations of anti semitism are used as a weapon in an ideological fight regarding zionism and anti zionism (that's the change they want in the definition) then one of the "targeted groups" is anti zionists (jews and non jews alike, but anti zionist jews are specifically targeted).

      jews are split 60/40 on identifying as zionist in the UK. and yet the jewish group primarily cited in this report is a highly politicized and pro israel zionist group. this has agenda written all over it.

      the report is attempting to make using the word "zionist", in a dismissive or abusive way, off limits. they can try it but it will just piss people off and water down the definition of anti semitism to the point where it has no meaning. and all of this is being ramped up to crush corbyn. it's disgusting.

  • Necessary Transformations: Ending the claim to exclusivity
    • “Apparently, you don’t understand the difference between “Jews” and “the Jews”

      so here's what i find confusing german lefty. although you say "I think that people should be judged as individuals and not as a group", you offer this caveat --- "one can only get the impression that they want to be seen as one group and not as individuals".

      so who is "they"? “Jews” = many/most Jews or “the Jews” = all Jews”?

      do you mean you think people should be judged individually but “the Jews” = all Jews” want to be seen as one group and not as individuals" and therefore you (or we or "one" [your terminology] meaning everyone i presume) can "only" regard “the Jews” = all Jews” as a group? or “Jews” = many/most Jews as a group.

      and do you mean you think people should be judged individually but because “Jews” = many/most Jews (vs “the Jews” = all Jews”) want to be seen as one group and not as individuals you therefore do not think "they" should be judged individually?

      or maybe you just think jews who want to be judged as a group should be judged as a group and ones who want to be regarded individually should be?

      sorry, my head is spinning. i think i'll just back out of this conversation.

    • at the end of the day, what is described from the outside as “American action/values/attitude/etc.” was whatever was expressed to the outside as a result of this. Not what Annie or a solitary worm like me does says or feels....It is a “generally >50%” phenomenon; your example reminded us that even a minority can sometimes, by enforcing or directing the action of the group, define what is seen as the group opinion/attitude/values/etc.

      i think we're coming at this from completely different angles. when i think of a persons values, i think of not what their value is to me, but the value they personally hold of themselves. when i speak of my own values, it isn't about "what is described from the outside" or how others see me.

      so while "even a minority can sometimes, by enforcing or directing the action of the group, define what is seen as the group opinion/attitude/values/etc, a minority cannot so easily enforce or direct the actions of the entire groups opinions/attitudes/values/etc.

      do you see the difference? if 51% of a group feels a certain way it doesn't determine the values of the whole group. that is what i stated earlier, i’m not sure values are determined by ethnic majority.

      not being a jew i don't really weigh in on jewish values. i lean towards Nada Elia's statement re that basic decency is something every good person has, and was in no way exclusive to Jews. i think with any group you're gonna have crappy people and wonderful people. there's probably lots of values i share with lots of people a jewish person might think of as a jewish value -- whereas i think of it as a value i learned from my family.

      speaking for the masses is a way of controlling the masses and controlling how the masses think of themselves and how outsiders think of them too. but it's not the way i think about most groupings of people unless perhaps they are all aligned politically. like i do think you could isolate groupings of jewish people and think they have shared values, but certainly not all of them. that's just crazy. they are as diverse as avidor lieberman and amy goodman. so if you think they have shared values i don't know what else to say other than i think you're nuts.

    • Thanks for making my point much better than I have, thanks to the Shrub example.

      what? how did i make your point? i recall the bush "mandate" was resoundingly rejected and mocked by all but his supporters. link to

      He got <50%, at any rate less than his opponent.

      if you chose to ascribe values to a group based on some "<50%" theory that's your prerogative, but you've convinced me of nothing.

      and don't go moving the goalposts, this is not about what's perceived "in the eyes of any observer", you can only speak for yourself here.

    • 51%? reminds me of george bush's "mandate" -- but it sure didn't reflect my values.

    • Even when the most minoritarian dictators and kings set the values of the group, they always invoke the majority.

      iow, when a dictator wins by 99% of the vote it means that determines the values of the majority.

      brilliant counter argument echi.

    • why on earth do they constantly use terms like “Jewish values”, “Jewish community”, or “we Jews”?

      this may be a challenging concept for you german lefty, but i think it would be helpful if you could attempt to expand your imagination wrt who "jews" are. not all jews discuss or reference “Jewish values”, “Jewish community”, or “we Jews”. and even if and when some do, they might mean completely different things to different people. like i said -- a challenging concept.

      you linked earlier to that UK report. well, as a matter of fact i was reading about the group this morning "the Community Security Trust" -- CST (who was instrumental behind that report) and they are real sticklers about claiming to speak for the jewish community (pushy too from what i can surmise). i read this one article. i suggest you read it. link to

      I want to ask some rather different questions.

      What right does a completely private body that happens to call itself the CST have to involve itself in the safety and well-being of British Jews?

      What right does it have to represent itself as being a representative body? On its website, the CST boasts that it "represents the Jewish community on a wide range of Police, governmental and policy-making bodies dealing with security and antisemitism."

      What right does it have to make such a claim? The website further explains that "the Police and government praise CST as a model of how a minority community should protect itself."

      That may be so but I want to ask whether we - you and I - should not have a quiet word in the ear of government and point out that the CST represents no one but itself and is mandated to espouse the views of none other than its own trustees.

      so then after he writes the article all these people write him who agree with him and he writes another article about CST called "Continually Spreading Trust": link to

      Take, for example, the Manchester-based rabbi who contacted me to say how deeply he resented the intrusion of the CST into the affairs of his community - he meant the CST's insistence that he consult them when planning any communal event.

      Take the south-of-England rabbi who phoned me to complain of the telling-off he had received from the CST because, without their consent, he and his lay leadership had agreed to permit a local non-Jewish group to meet on synagogue premises.

      Or take the Charedi community activist who asked to meet me (which he did) in order to unburden himself of the deep cynicism with which he regarded the CST.

      It had, in his view, got too big for its boots while basking in the privilege and protection it received from the Home Office and the Metropolitan Police.

      Then there is Nochum Perlberger, the head of the Stamford Hill Shomrim - who provide civilian security patrols and whose efforts to counter crime and anti-social behaviour have had exceptional results. Mr Perlberger confessed to me that one of the conditions of their recognition by the police in Stoke Newington was that they liaise with the CST.

      And last, but by no means least, take the Jewish Police Association.....

      anyway, i bring this to your attention because i thought it might be helpful for you in understanding that just because you perceive something -- like "they" (jews) "constantly use terms like “Jewish values”, “Jewish community”, or “we Jews”? " .. doesn't mean there are not lots of jews who do not constantly say stuff like that. and there's no uniformity among jews as to what it means anyway, that's for sure.

      try putting on your thinking cap and figure out what reason a group like CST, run my a small tight controlling semi- anonymous little group, would portend to speak for "british jews". unless of course you believe they do. but a slight suspension of those beliefs might lead you down a different path --

      good luck on the cat herding btw.

    • i could be wrong, but i think for people who are not logged in, it takes about an hour longer to see changes(updates) to any page. so check back in an hour and see if what you're not seeing now shows up.

      re any other questions about changes in moderation, i'd suggest checking out the "site status" tab at the top of every page and querying adam in the comment section link to

    • Therefore, one can only get the impression that they want to be seen as one group and not as individuals.

      only? rests assured, that's can't be true because i don't get the impression all jews "want to be seen as one group and not as individuals". it's one thing having a wacko theory gl, it's quite another thing to claim everyone can "only" agree with you.

    • an argument could be made they don't steal the land because they're jewish, they steal it because they are colonizers. of course if you brainwash someone to believe because they are jewish they therefore are justified in thieving the land because god gave it to them (therefore it's not theft) they could believe it was a jewish value.

      Jewish values are determined by the Jewish majority.

      really? i'm not sure values are determined by ethnic majority.

  • Despite groping revelations, Israeli-American Trump supporter says all five of his daughters will vote Trump
    • A little balance might be gained by updating the news to include polls of wider sectors than that represented here as an example: ‘look at the closed minded israelis’.

      yonah, i removed your original double quotemarks -- please refrain from using them unless you're quoting someone, especially when you're completely fabricating the supposed intent of the author (falsely i might add). thanks.

      also, not sure if you noticed this article is about trump supporters in israel who are eligible to vote in our upcoming prez election. therefore, presenting a "wider sector" for balance is unnecessary and off topic.

      the statistics cited here are not accompanied by any charts

      it helps if you open the accompanying embeds. the only "statistics" mentioned are either from the director of Trump campaign in Israel (not presented as a statistic btw, but as a "speculation") and one from team hillary, accompanied by an embed and several graphs.

      dissect the various sectors of the israeli public

      again, the article is not about various sectors of the israeli public, it's solely about trump supporters eligible to vote in our prez election.

  • A lot of the grief over Shimon Peres is grief over the end of the two-state solution
  • Trump’s Israel advisor (again) argues for annexation of the West Bank with bad math
    • i know we've been trying to fix the commenting problem over the last couple of days. i would write adam if you're still having problems. but don't assume because the article (any MW article) doesn't get comments it's not getting attention. general traffic is not as reflected in comments as it is in shares.

      I was attempting to show the logic (and danger) of Friedman’s argument (or the annexation plan). The 11 million represents the total population that Israel wants to keep.

      i know, i was attempting to show the logic (and danger) of adopting the framing of our ideological adversaries. once you control the language -- the way things are framed -- you control the way people think about them. think about it:

      – Gaza 1.9 million Palestinians
      – West Bank 2.8 ” ”
      – Israel 1.8 ” ”

      Total: 6.5 million Palestinians

      by this standard why not:

      – Israel 5.58 million Jews
      – Occupied Territories 820,000
      – Occupied Palestine (WB and EJ) 800,000 jews [and as allison points out, probably less]
      – Occupied Syria (Golan heights) 20,000

      Total: 6.4 million Jews

      The 12.9 million represents the total population of the region. 49.613% jewish and over 50% palestinian

      this is friedman (and israeli) propaganda:

      “The evacuation of Gaza [in 2005] had one salutary effect, it took two million Arabs out of the equation.”

      they are not "out of the equation" just because israel would like them to be. in fact, over 50% of the regional population doesn't think they are "out of the equation" at all. yes of course i see "The key" of that propaganda is "to exclude Gaza and call it self-governing", that's the framing that's been used to flip the demographics in a jewish favor for over a decade.

      but in reality when you look at the demographics of Israel (not including occupied territory) there are 5.58 million Jews (even less not including illegally annexed territory) and aprox 1.76 million Palestinians, which is not a "population of approximately 8,585,000 inhabitants"(wiki), it is more like a million less*. which means jews do not make up 75% of the population of israel. they use the setter population to boost that percentage even tho they don't even live in israel.

      nothing in the tenor of my argument implies that I believe WB and EJ are part of Israel... As to the actual substance of my posting, do you have any comment about that?

      "tenor" aside (good intent), my point did focused on your "actual substance". friedman is another hasbara charlatan, allison was right for calling out the BS. meanwhile, no one should be adopting the language of our adversaries to tackle this problem and find equitable solutions. gaza is most definitely part of palestine, whereas, the golan heights is not even part of israel!

      *as danaa (and others) have pointed out, it's not easy dropping israeli citizenship if you're an israeli jew. i'm fairly certain israel includes a lot of expats living outside the country in their recorded demographics.

    • Total pop: 11.0 million (not counting Gaza)

      you should pick one or the other. you can't simultaneously claim it's a total population while not counting part of the population. and why say "jews in israel .. including WB and EJ"? knowing WB/EJ are not included in israel. words matter.

  • The secret location for a debriefing on Palestinian art at the Guggenheim
    • i think so. and it exists "in the transition between research and action."

      and the definition of debriefing is: a series of questions about a completed mission or undertaking.

      so we have "agents" (they do not call themselves performers or actors but the "performative research body Public Movement" who "delivers an account of its research about modern art made in Palestine before 1948." link to ) which offers no modern art in Palestine before 1948. so i guess agents frame how to understand palestinian modern art. i wonder if they know about the 17 lost palestinian art exhibitions?

      link to

    • a little poking around at the public movement website reveals this debriefing session 11 (was there ever a debriefing session1 ?) was originally part of the "national collection" exhibition. you can view some photos of that exhibit (or performance) here: link to

      one photo of marching white youth, all in regimental white uniforms

      Almost a decade after Public Movement's inaugural performative act: the laying a wreath of white flowers on the steps of Independence Hall. The exhibition temporarily returns the Independence Hall to the "Hall of Art" to underscore a complex relationship, and interdependency, between the State and its cultural institutions.

      Public Movement regards the Museum as an arena where civic behavior in public space is molded according to the ideals of a democratic society. National Collection examines the Museum as a site and set of activities through which national and cultural identity are defined.
      Drawing on the historical and contemporary contexts embodied by the Museum’s architecture, collections, gathering spaces, and codes of conduct, Public Movement activates political and national mechanisms by engaging the participant in a series of actions and new choreographies. In this light, the Museum collection is not assessed for the material value of the artworks, but as a visual body through which society defines itself.

      As part of National Collection the performance Debriefing Session II is staged in a separate, secret location in the Museum. It is a one-on-one meeting undertaken with a Public Movement Agent. Debriefing Sessions are Public Movement methodology, which exist in the transition between research and action.

      i wonder what israel's cultural minister Miri Regev thinks of this, if it fits in with her "other [zionist] culture, which for years was silenced and excluded" – that "demands independence"
      Israel's Culture Minister's War on Culture
      read more: link to

    • the great book robbery (movie) is well documented. the israeli archivist emailed me to say the books would be returned after there was a peace deal, or something. i can't recall his words now. it was really strange. but this idea that palestinians were stealing their own art is new and odd. they could only take what they could carry so i guess the plan was zionists get the land and everything on it and if they do not achieve that it is their (zionist) loss, their (zionist) victimization, or something.

      it begs the question why the guggenheim would include this bizarre presentation in their show.

    • what a fascinating article. thank you so much Mariam Said.

  • After Netanyahu meets with Trump and Clinton, Palestinians condemn Trump’s Jerusalem swing
    • off topic (OT) indulge me please. last weekend i returned from north dakota access pipeline protest/ prayer {GO THERE!!!) question:

      how many americans are more aware of the 6 mil jewish holocaust genocide than our 80-100 mil native american genocide? (or 20m vietnamese/1+m iraqis)

      over 280 native american tribes/nations/indigenous were present/recognized at standing rock (sacred stone). native americans included canada, mexico, ecuador and the list goes on. all the americas showed up. where were you? this is not a jewish community issue, it's an american one.

  • Who knew! Israel almost started war with Hezbollah in 2015, IDF officer reveals at NY synagogue
    • about a Hezbollah attack of January 2015 that killed two Israeli soldiers in retaliation for an Israeli attack that had killed a Hezbollah fighter named Jihad Mugniyeh ten days earlier.

      actually, israel's initial attack killed top Iranian general Mohammad Ali Allahdadi and six Hezbollah fighters, one of whom was Jihad Mugniyeh link to

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  • In full page NYT ad, liberal Zionist group calls for ethnic segregation to retain Jewish majority within Israel
  • Palestinian fishermen struggle to survive next door to Netanyahu's palatial suburb
    • when people tell me and my wife to ‘make more babies

      my distractions aside? jack, you've taken the cake here for distractions.

      Take your pick.

      so besides the joan peters copy cat you have no references to back up your distraction, got it. nada -- finito

    • jack, your source is a nakba denial book (other people who purchased this book purchased joan peters nakba denial book), a "positive" review :

      "He demonstrates that there is no historical evidence for the eviction of the Palestinians from Israel previous to the founding of the state. Most of those who left afterwards did so on their own volition."


      For all those who claim a "Palestinian state" or a "Palestininan people" existed before the jews came back to the area, this book is of the utmost importance. It shows clearly, and proofs with data, that no such thing as a Palestinian state/people ever existed in the area.

      a negative reviewer: link to

      1.0 out of 5 stars A shameful fraud of a book, August 18, 2005
      By Edward Smith
      This review is from: The Claim of Dispossession: Jewish Land-Settlement and the Arabs, 1878-1948 (Paperback)
      This book is an example of an anti-intellectual propaganda movement born inside Israel that aims to disprove the existance of palestinians. The idea behind works of this sort is that if the claims of Palestinians to the land they live on can be weakened, unthinkable measures such as mass deportations will become possible.

      The book starts with an argument that what is now Israel was empty land before european jews started to arrive in the mid 1800s. That every census and every bit of historical data invalidates that absurd idea does not bother the author in the least. The same old story is repeated: There were no palestinians. Almost all arabs in what is now Israel are claimed to be savage migrants from surrounding countries who were drawn to the great european civilization brought into palestine by the early zionists. He draws greatly on the universally discredited work "from time Immemorial" by peters in support of his case. As usual, anti-arab european sources are quoted to show how what is today Israel was a wasteland. The problem with how those sources are used is that they could be used to draw the same conclusion about every other country in the middle east. Europeans saw every country outside europe as savage uneconomic wastelands in that colonial era. The writer fails to make the case that Palestine was especially different.

      The worst problem the book faces is that none of the census data validates its claims. The census data shows a consistantly increasing native palestinian population. Peters' work was demolished years ago. Neither the British Archives nor any other source confirms any of the outragous claims made.

      The book then moves on to the 1948 war. It makes the rather incredible claim that the all the palestinian refugees were not refugees at all. They all voluntarily decided to leave their towns! The war didn't matter. Civilian massacres didn't matter. They all just decided to leave. When looking for a reason, the best Avneri can come up with is that they all deserted their homes as part of the sinister arab conspiracy(tm). They left their homes and became refugees so the arab armies could better destroy Israel. Further, they were all expecting to share in some sort of loot after the war was won so their homes didn't matter to them. It makes no sense to anyone outside the close world of the Israeli right.

      The book might find use as a doorstop, but aside from that its of no value to anyone. Those who agree with its ideas will learn nothing new, at best it can provide reinforcement to a closed mind.

      Anyone else is going to see through to the political agenda of the author and the false nature of the work.....

      i suppose you know by now nakba denial is a banning offense on this website. try peddling your crap elsewhere. and do you think if they had less kids israel would have provided basic public transportation to the village, or garbage pickup?

    • the Ghawarnah tribe, like many Palestinians emigrated from Egypt during the mid 1800’s.

      what's your source on that? because this book on Tribes and Territories claims they descended from fellaheen tribes from the ghor (jordan valley).

      link to

      might have been able to raise their standard of living by having less children.

      how gross you are.

  • Report: Recent rise in deportations result of Israeli strategy to stifle solidarity with Palestinians
    • But how does a state that is so universally disliked and hated..... manage to continue existing and raising mischief for over 60 years?

      We must stop ignoring the elephant in the room. Israel is bad, of course, but only because it is the arm of white supremacy that is rooted in the USA.

      if that were the case there would be no need for the israel lobby, the US would sustain israel without it. so why all the funds and efforts of the lobby? lobbies only exist where there is mass opposition.

  • In Brookings poll, most Dems say $38 billion aid package to Israel is 'way too much' while the GOP is split
    • “In this case, Israel is making no major strategic decision to attract this level of aid .....” Telhami said.

      hmm, really? does anyone really believe this?

  • US aid deal gives green light to Israel's erasure of Palestine
    • i have no idea

    • for the most part jews are non christians. do you mean he is not happy because he lives in nazareth surrounded by jews and arabs? or he's not happy because he's married to a christian arab? or he's not happy because he's british? what exactly do you mean by your comment?

  • ADL throws Netanyahu under the bus to try to make new friends
  • 'NYT' editorial on US military aid leaves out Palestinians because it knows it would lose the argument
    • I was imagining similar wink and nod games and scenarios by Israeli soldiers directed at Muslims and Christians before Nazareth became a Muslim city in Israel; but that has a Christian name. Such as if Christians wanted to move there; Israeli soldiers would wink and nod at the Arab Muslims that wanted to kick them out. I don’t know about the actual history of the Nazareth if at one point it was populated by Christians, primarily, before they were kicked out by Muslims.

      nazareth is not a "muslim city in israel" it is an arab city -- 30% christian. christians were not "kicked out" of nazareth by muslims, unless one considers a temporary era around the 1200's. if you don't know the demographic history why are you making up all these stupid inaccurate hypothetical wink nod statements?

      the demographic shift of the christian/muslim population is nazareth was primarily due to the influx of palestinian muslim refugees into nazareth due to israel's ethnic cleansing of muslim villages during the war. not because muslims kicked out christians.

      link to

      During the late Ottoman era, the religious majority of the city fluctuated. In 1838, there were 325 Christian families (half of whom were Greek Orthodox, the remainder belonged to various Catholic churches) and 120 Muslim families.[99] In 1856, the population was estimated to be 4,350, of which Muslims comprised 52%, while Christians from various denominations comprised 48%. In 1862, the population estimate was lower (3,120) and Christians formed a substantial majority of over 78%. The population grew to 5,660 in 1867 and Christians constituted roughly two-thirds and Muslims one-third of the inhabitants. These estimates during the late Ottoman era likely represented crude figures.[100]
      For much of the British Mandatory period (1922–1948), Nazareth had a Christian majority (mostly Orthodox Christians) and a Muslim minority. Today, Nazareth still has a significant Christian population, made up of various denominations.[4] The Muslim population has grown due to a number of historical factors that include the city having served as administrative center under British rule, and the influx of internally displaced Palestinians absorbed into the city from neighboring towns during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war.[4]
      In 1918, Nazareth had an estimated population of 8,000, two-thirds Christian.[101] In the 1922 British census, Nazareth's population was recorded as 7,424, of which 66% were Christian, 33% were Muslim and roughly 1% were Jewish. In the 1931 census, the population grew to 8,756 and the ratio of Muslims increased to 37%. The largest Christian community were the Greek Orthodox denomination, followed by the Roman Catholics and the Melkites. Smaller communities of Anglicans, Maronites, Syriac Catholics, Protestants and Copts also existed.[102]
      In 1946, Nazareth had a population of 15,540, of whom roughly 60% were Christians and 40% were Muslims. The 1948 War led to a mass exodus of Palestinians and many expelled or fleeing Muslims from villages in the Galilee and the Haifa area found refuge in Nazareth. At one point, some 20,000 mostly Muslim refugees were present in the city. Following the war's conclusion, the refugees of Shefa-'Amr, Dabburiya, Ilut and Kafr Kanna returned to their homes. However, those Muslim and Christian refugees from the nearby destroyed villages of Ma'lul, al-Mujaydil, Saffuriya, the Haifa-area village of Balad al-Sheikh and the major cities of Acre, Haifa, Tiberias and Baysan remained as they were not able to return to their hometowns.[103] During the war and in the following months, refugees from Saffuriya established the Safafra Quarter, named after their former village.[104] Around 20% of Nazareth's native inhabitants left Palestine during the war. In an Israeli army census in July 1948, Nazareth had a total population of 17,118, which consisted of 12,640 Nazarenes and 4,478 refugees. In 1951, the population was recorded as 20,300, 25% of whom were refugees. The refugees came from over two dozen villages, but most were from al-Mujaydil, Saffuriya, Tiberias, Haifa, Ma'lul and Indur.[105]

  • Two women's boats set sail for Gaza in effort to break blockade
    • it's important to document voices. each step , each "time and expense". the world has not forgotten gaza.

    • the views of Iran or hezbollah commanders and fighters who use the IDF as the gold standard in terms of command and control

      where do you come up w/this crap?

  • 'There's no occupation'
    • I don’t see anyone disputing the legitimacy of the government that is occupying it, the government known as the USA.

      then you're just not listening. lots of people dispute the legitimacy of the government especially right now during this particular election and the legitimacy of our 2 current presidential candidates for the 2 primary parties.

      Here is what the US-based human rights group, Palestinian Youth Movement say about settler-colonialism on Turtle Island :

      As Palestinians in the United States, we are exiled from our homeland while living as settlers upon Turtle Island. It is imperative that we demand recognition of the rights of Native nations and their people while building movements together with one another so that we can strengthen our collective call for justice. We call for an end of the Dakota Access Pipeline. We demand that the United States honor the treaties as the supreme law of the land and payment of governmental reparations.

      "much bigger countries do the same" is whataboutery. and "without much protests" is diversion and tells us you're willfully ignorant, a run of the mill hasbrat, or both. go back to Hasbara Central Academy 1st grade and donate a week’s trolling fee to BDS.

  • Amos Oz would never stand in the street in Tel Aviv shouting 'Kill all the Arabs'
    • There were really a handful of conversions

      boris, this begs the imagination. you've been listening to too many fairy tales. think logically.

    • My guess is .... The Arab[Palestinian] lead BDS activist groups may have scared the more progressive minded political Jews, or been simply paid influence money by rich oil Arab money to create groups with that has Jewish leadership to either be paid to be advocates in a legal way,

      you're an idiot. nobody here cares what you "guess". you just throw anything and everything out there for the heck of it don't you. spare us this garbage! there are no arab sheldon adelson's purchasing jewish influence. the only well funded side in this conflict is the zionist side. the rest, for the most part, is unpaid for homegrown activism. like this, it's free:
      link to

      it's just people who care, for free.

  • Why I single out Israel
  • Broadway club cancels 'Black Lives Matter' benefit because of movement's stance on Israel
    • The BLM people (and Phil Weiss) have chosen purity and language designed to alienate.

      actually i don't believe that's true. people (as well as politicians, think tanks etc) use words and language ("language designed") to communicate to their base as well as others who think like they do -- as well as to convince others. if people who fundamentally disagree feel alienated that is a natural response, but it doesn't indicate the intent of the communication was 'designed' to alienate, any more than your comment was necessarily "designed to alienate".

      was your comment designed to alienate yonah? after all, you knew we wouldn't like it.

      The language of genocide is used against Israel in an attempt to make israel a pariah.

      The language of genocide is used because people think the term best conveys the nature of the crime. there's no reason to white wash what's been going on for decades. as amigo points out, it's israel's actions that make israel a pariah, not the words people use to describe it.

  • Banned from leaving Gaza, Palestinian group rocks out at border
    • Most Gazan cancer, heart disease and other patients prefer to leave Gaza for treatment in Israel and not in Egypt or some European country.

      it's my recollection gazans cannot get radiation treatment for cancer in gaza because of the blockade, because israel will not allow cancer treatment there. once when i visited and took a tour of a hospital in gaza, the doctors showed us a room full of radiation equipment but said the necessary components to run the machines were blocked by israel from entering gaza. how sadistic is that? and what about the chemo? doesn't it make sense doctors in gaza would be able to administer these drugs themselves, if israel did not blockade gazans from importing the medicine?

      Gazans entered Israel since January to get the best medical treat they could in Israeli hospitals for half the price.

      what a joke is this? denying palestinian doctors the right to treat cancer patients in their own hospitals and then claiming it's 1/2 the price for gazans to get treated in israel than traveling to a foreign county!!!

  • NYC city council anti-BDS bill meets resistance from protesters
  • Dozens of Spanish cities declare themselves ‘Free of Israeli Apartheid’
  • It's war between Netanyahu and the generals (and the PM may just have lost the corporal)
  • 'Their sorry will not bring back Mustafa': Israeli govt tells grieving Palestinian family son was 'killed by mistake'
    • are accusing Ali of causing Mustafa’s death due to “negligence, driving without a driver’s license, driving under the influence of alcohol and drugs, and endangering the life of a human,”

      but the cause of death was bullets. how does one explain the sound of two gun shots after ali was on the ground? i swear, they'll say anything.

  • Why segregation is the single most important issue in Israel, and practical ways to confront it
    • “denying them any automatic, guaranteed, citizenship”. To get Paraguayan or Singaporean or any other citizenship, most of the refugees would have to apply for it, and with no certainty of getting it.

      exactly. but i posit they have no more moral obligation than paraguay or singapore. if all countries were obligated to extend citizenship to refugees it would be very difficult to find host nations. the way international law is set up now the moral obligation is place on the nation of origin. iow, you don't lose your nationality because you are displaced. and nationality is passed on by your parents at birth not by the location of your birth -- unless a host nation decides otherwise as in the US.

      this is a tad OT, but the way the law works in california, if i invite a guest(or a homeless person) into my home they have no legal right to remain here without my permission unless they pay rent. once they pay rent i am obligated to give them a 30 day notice before i ask them to leave (unless i have given them a lease that says otherwise). however, if i allow them to stay in my home for over 2 months as a guest, i still have to go through a legal process to ask them to leave. to use this as an analogy, what you are claiming is once i offer them a place of refuge i am therefore morally obligated to extend to them (or their children born on my property) the same legal rights to my home that i have. if this was the case i would not extend an invitation to a guest to stay in my home. we would not have host nations. at a time of war when a country opens their borders to refugees, burdening that host nation with the moral obligation of extending permanent citizenship is unrealistic, unfair and an unnecessary burden that would backfire.

    • It seems to me that this gives them the moral right to Lebanese citizenship.

      refugees have a moral right to return to their country of origin. and countries have a moral obligation to allow the return of refugees, who fled from their country in a time of war, to return. nations hosting refugees, by granting citizenship to refugees, alleviates that moral obligation of countries to allow the return of those refugees to their country of origin. you thinking hosting nations are morally obligated to extend citizenship to children of refugees is a matter of opinion -- what you consider right or wrong. that doesn't make it law, just because you think it's morally right.

      in the united states we do grant citizenship to children born within our borders, not all countries do that. lebanon doesn't do that and therefore palestinians born there are not lebanese (no matter what your opinion on the matter is). and if they are not lebanese then they are not "native born lebanese". furthermore, palestinians born in lebanon (likely) do not consider themselves lebanese, they consider themselves palestinians and they are waiting to go home to their own county -- (regardless of whether the name, the regime or the government has changed).

      so you can think they (palestinian refugees in lebanon) have the moral right to Lebanese citizenship til the cows come home, doesn't make them lebanese. rhetorically referencing them as lebanese for the sake of argument (as greg did) is inaccurate.

      Since the Palestinian children in question have (on current showing) little chance of going to any sort of functioning Palestine, restricting them to Palestinian citizenship is pretty much denying them any citizenship.

      i notice you didn't reference them as lebanese children. restricting them to Palestinian citizenship denies them lebanese citizenship. but it doesn't deny them US citizenship or as you stated "any" citizenship. countries have different standards for granting citizenship but all are morally and legally obligated to allow the return of refugees to their country of origin.

    • ah, more assignation of hatred from our troll hops. how boring. why doesn't he speak of his own hatreds instead of just reserving the accusations to others? because he is a coward that's why.

      lebanon is currently hosting over a million syrian refugees in a country of less than 5 million people, that's the highest per capita concentration of refugees in the world. this does not indicate lebanon is a country motivated by hatred. and if they do not grant them all citizenship will he claim it's because the lebanese hate syrians too?

    • Where is the Arab world today can Jews live as equal citizens?

      why do you even ask other than divert? jews do not live as equal citizens in israel or occupied palestine, quite the opposite actually. since when do you ever advocate for jews to share equal rights with palestinians? you don't because you're a zionist, which systematically privileges jews. stop spamming.

    • Since Israel is still in a state of war

      it behooves israel to remain in a constant state of war since this ostensibly justifies ongoing violations of international law.

    • equal treatment of Jew and Palestinian in hospitals?

      The “Arab Hospital”

      We had just passed the last checkpoint out of the West Bank, it was around 2 am. My cousin sitting in the front began to tell us she was suffocating. She said that she felt herself having an asthma attack. She demanded we take her to the closest hospital. And that’s what we did. We arrived at the emergency counter of the first hospital we could find in Jerusalem. The Israeli women asked us for our passports. She took a brief look, read our last names out loud, looked up at us and then said “Arabs?” She then began to speak only in Hebrew, telling us that we should go to the “Arab” hospital. I stared at the lady barely understanding the Hebrew she was speaking while my cousin on the other side of me was quickly losing more breath. I was helpless because I was the wrong race.

      - See more at: link to

    • Being born in the country is the very definition of “native born”.

      not sure who you're quoting. i quoted, addressed and used the term greg used which was "native-born Lebanese". i also stated "those children do not automatically become natives (or indigenous)to that country". in that sense i specifically qualified the term "native" as meaning "indigenous". i don't think a refugee being born in a country makes one indigenous to that land. the definition of indigenous is "originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native." or webster "produced, living, or existing naturally in a particular region or environment". if your parents move to a place to give birth so that their child becomes a citizen of that country (as in the case of the US), legal one does become ""native-born american", but still not indigenous to the country. but that's not the case for lebanon, due to their laws. therefore, palestinians living in lebanon are not lebanese. therefore they are not "native-born Lebanese" nor legally, lebanese.

      if your parents are colonizers, you're not indigenous to the colonized land. whereas "native born" means "belonging to or associated with a particular place (as a country) by birth ", so yes one can be associated with lebanon by birth -- but that's not the same as indigenous to lebanon if one arrived by fleeing a war. lebanon has a million syrian refugees living there right now, yet they are not indigenous to the country -- nor are their children.

      In the case of the Palestinian refugees and their descendants, I would argue that they also have a moral right to Palestinian citizenship.

      but do they have a moral right to lebanese citizenship? that's the question. i would argue no, they do not. either way, because of lebanon's laws they are not lebanese, therefore even tho they may be "native born" to the country of lebanon, they are not "native-born lebanese".

    • frankly sila, i think you're spamming. you might have a point if the authors (or anyone for that matter) had made the claim structural racism was "inherent" within Israeli Jewish society -- but no one did.

      Of course its still structural racism, but it is important in my view a tleast that we acknowledge that this structural racism is a critical component of Zionism itself

      so just say "structural racism is a critical component of Zionism". no one is saying otherwise nor is it even controversial.

    • And based on the content of this article, it’s seem pretty clear that the structural racism that promotes segregation within Israeli society is wholly due to forced establishment of a foreign, European worldview....

      fail. forced establishment of segregation -- foreign, European, home grown or otherwise -- is structural racism. and there's no sense in "acknowledging" that structural racism is not rooted from racism already present within the israel populace since you've not established it in the least other than claiming it's "based on the content of this article".

    • There may be intersection between self-segregation and state-sanctioned segregation

      there may be? do you have any doubt, seriously?

      This article did not present any information on the non-institutional forces that propagate segregation between Jews and non-Jews in Israel.

      an overriding goal of institutionalized racism and segregation is to get people to self segregate and think it's normal. i'm not sure how you would measure this self segregation because it's already a factor in some people's interpretation of judaism (which is institutionalized religion, hence institutionalized and structural) . the article's focus was on structuralized racism and there's no imperative to present information on non-institutional racism.

      The opposite of institutional backed segregation is self-segregation due to privately held beliefs and prejudices by individuals.

      wrong. the opposite of institutional backed segregation is institutionally backed integration.

    • when on the other side we have the makings of a totally racist society where Jews will not be permitted to live at all.

      not all jews are settlers. No settlers (colonialist project) will be permitted to stay in the Palestinian state because settlements are illegal and the presence of the settlers is illegal.

    • let’s not ... blind us to the plight of native-born Lebanese, etc. who are being denied basic civil rights and citizenship solely because of their Palestinian ancestry.

      refugees who give birth to children in a foreign country, those children do not automatically become natives (or indigenous)to that country. i'm glad the US grants citizenship to all children born in the US but that's not a universal standard. palestinians born in lebanon are not "native-born lebanese" as far as i know. they are denied the civil rights of lebanese, not solely because of their Palestinian ancestry, but because they are Palestinian. you calling them "native-born Lebanese" doesn't make them lebanese.

    • Interesting to learn that segregation in Israel appears to be wholly due to the institutional forces.

      strawman. stating or acknowledging "segregation within Israel does not exist in a vacuum, but is the direct result of racial discrimination, forced population displacements, historical massacres, present-absentee laws, and ongoing demographic engineering" does not suggest or imply that segregation in Israel is "wholly due to the institutional forces" -- in fact, it may suggest the opposite.

  • After building a protest movement, West Bank village of Nabi Saleh steps back from weekly Friday protests
    • ror for those born in israel.

      oh gag me w/a friggin spoon. you say that almost 80 years since the nakba! you don't see germany making that requirement of israelis seeking german citizenship if their parents or grandparents were born in germany do you? refugees include children of refugees -- and their children and grandchildren.

      by your standards the only jew who would have return status/rights are those whose relative actually lived in palestine during the mandate -- not allegedly thousands of years ago. you can't justify 'returning' to a place your supposed ancestors lived during the iron age and then claim "ror for those born in israel" only a few decades ago!

  • New call for US investigation into killing of Palestinian-American teen in West Bank
    • Does the USA not have any similar procedures?

      probably, but rarely does anything come of them. for the most part i think they just accept the israeli narrative.

  • 'NY Times' rigs a purported news article to push U.S. escalation in Syria
    • these guys are following goldberg's lead. kagan and the team are all waiting on bated breath for hillary to decimate syria. another quote from that article re the 'washington playbook' which (i believe) is obama's euphemism for the neocon/israel dc think tank like winep i wrote about/picked it up (with a few other quotes) in "Goldberg on Obama’s Syria credibility ‘crisis’": >> link to

      “I’m very proud of this moment,” he told me. “The overwhelming weight of conventional wisdom and the machinery of our national-security apparatus had gone fairly far. The perception was that my credibility was at stake, that America’s credibility was at stake. And so for me to press the pause button at that moment, I knew, would cost me politically. And the fact that I was able to pull back from the immediate pressures and think through in my own mind what was in America’s interest, not only with respect to Syria but also with respect to our democracy, was as tough a decision as I’ve made—and I believe ultimately it was the right decision to make.”

      This was the moment the president believes he finally broke with what he calls, derisively, the “Washington playbook.”

  • Pro-Israel groups declare 'lawfare' on BDS movement in Canada
    • “Walker says his group was ‘banned’, but Hasbara Fellowships isn’t even a student club on this campus. It’s an organization external to our UOIT and DC community. They wanted to use student funds, space and resources without having been invited. And the SA is accountable to its members. ....”

      can you just imagine the JDL demanding a booth at the university's social justice week and JDL Executive Director Meir Weinstein suing the university claiming, after being turned down, it was because: "I am Jewish and work for a Jewish organization"

      is there no end? does the student organization putting on the social justice week get to have a say about what they do or do not perceive as social justice? because jdl probably think they've meted out justice too!

    • Walker stated in his filing that “I was perceived as being ‘tied’ to the state of Israel because I am Jewish and work for a Jewish organization.”

      oh please. hasbara fellowship is not merely a "jewish organization". hasbara fellowship runs an israel program that takes students to israel if they agree to advocate for israel for 2 semesters, it's funded ("spearheaded") by aish international>> link to and is a decidedly political organization.

      here's wiki's description of aish link to

      The organization is politically conservative and its officials have stated they oppose a full return of the West Bank to the Palestinians.[3] Jeffrey Goldberg has called the organization's philosophy as coming from a "sterile, sexist and revanchist brand of Judaism."[4]

      not just a "jewish" organization, an israeli advocacy organization that trains students to advocate for israel. how does this program ( link to ) not ‘tie’ him to the state of Israel?

      Over the course of the program in Israel, you will:
      Learn how to create strategic impact plans; effectively use social media tools; communicate effectively, build relationships and increase your confidence
      Visit Israeli humanitarian organizations, hi-tech companies, the Knesset and Supreme Court
      Tour strategic points throughout Israel, such as the Syrian border, the Gaza border, and key Jerusalem landmarks
      You will also get to meet with key Israeli leaders and thinkers. Past speakers on the trip have included (amongst many others):

      Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel
      Shimon Peres, President of Israel
      Natan Sharansky, Head of the Jewish Agency and Former Knesset Member

  • The United States of Innocence -- the worldview of Major Todd Pierce (retired), Part 2
    • wow, part 2 was as excellent as part one phil. what a valuable addition to the site. so many incredible quotes.

      as an aside, i don't recall ever hearing of the jonathan institute before, or their 2 conferences in 79 and 84. but i recommend this (rather breathtaking) extract from The "Terrorism" Industry: The Experts and Institutions That Shape Our View of Terror by Edward S. Herman and Gerry O'Sullivan,

      link to

      this small excerpt referencing the 84 conference at the end and citing netanyahu's book, but i rec the whole thing.

      As in 1979, the conference featured terrorism as the new focus of Israeli, U.S., and European foreign policy concern, and the participants chosen assured the uncontested reiteration of the Western model, with a strong bent toward its extremist version. The Palestinians, with their alleged Soviet 'sponsors', were held responsible for almost every (retail) terrorist attack cited by the body of experts in attendance, who, among others, included Michael Ledeen, Claire Sterling, Ray Cline, Arnaud de Borchgrave, Lord Chalfont, and Jillian Becker.

      The institute also effectively publicized its espoused doctrine of 'preemptive retaliation', the Israeli policy of killing those designated as terrorists before they can act. To the delight of institute sponsors, U.S. Secretary of State George Shultz pushed this line at the conference and earlier in appearances before the Denton committee. The 1984 conference also produced a widely reviewed book edited by Netanyahu, Terrorism: How the West Can Win, and established Netanyahu as a leading international voice in the war against terrorism.[7]

      and here are 2 excerpts from your interview i found particularly note worthy (as well as so many others -- too many to mention them all)

      Under our system, you can only have military commissions in three different circumstances: one would be under military occupation, one would be under martial law, and the third would be for war crimes. Well, we were officially not under martial law and the United States and Guantanamo are not under occupation. The only thing left is war crimes. So they made up these offenses that they claim are war crimes. War crimes are clearly delineated in Nuremberg and now the international court– but [they are] none of these offenses they used to charge these people with, because 90 percent of these people had not done anything other than possibly fight as guerrillas, and that’s not a war crime.


      So we’re saying that it’s a war crime to be an insurgent if you’re not on our side. But if you are, it goes to, One person’s freedom fighter is another person’s terrorist. The whole system was fabricated from falsehoods, and that’s what we’re operating under now.

      One of the people [unnamed colleague] I disagree with most is very supportive of what we have been doing. But he sort of slipped one time and said, this military commissions act, it’s almost like we are exercising martial law over the whole world. We are. We are taking those precedents from our own martial law period over our own territory and applying it to the world. Someone who may be anti drone warfare in Afghanistan or Pakistan is guilty of a war crime, and gets targeted with a drone attack.

      So we are doing to the Mideast and other parts what the Germans did to Europe in World War 2. They held that any anti-German opinion was basically a war crime. And putting aside the Jewish issue—but non Jewish people who might be opposed to the Nazis invasion, before the Germans invaded, they would be put into military detention.

      That’s the problem with the idea that you’re at war, because you adopt the most extreme understanding of who the enemy is and then justify killing them or putting them in military detention because they’re the enemy.

      thanks so much to Todd Pierce, an extraordinary man.

  • There's no room on campus to be progressive and pro-Israel
    • thanks for your comment old geezer, and please excuse my late response. while i do think it would be smart, strategic, and a vast improvement for young jewish students to simply stop advocating and making excuses for the human rights abusing state of Israel -- i am not certain it would actually fit the definition of empowerment: "to give power to (someone)".

      empowerment requires more than simply not advocating for the wrong thing, it requires advocating for something to the point of influencing (transforming) others to do the same. and stoping detrimental activities, while for some might feel self empowering, can be carried out by simply remaining silent. while i do think silence is an improvement over advocating for israel and making excuses for israel's human rights abuses, i still think empowering today’s Jewish students by directing their focus on Israel and pressure the state to reverse Zionism’s “troubling trends” would be most effective.

    • thank you citizen ;)

    • thank you rhkroell. btw, i look forward to reading more of your work in progress at your blog.

    • do you mean 'would merely being "grossly unaware of Israel's history and politics, as well as the nature of its relationship with the US government" and "neutral or indifferent towards it", be enough to be considered a progressive'?

      wow, tough question. let me think on that for awhile.

    • water shortages.that is an enormous challenge for israel.

      yeah, thieving palestine's water and rationing it back to them at a profit while settlers get an unlimited supply is really tough.

      see “Everyday Nakba” -- excellent award winning documentary about water, filmed and directed by Mohammad al-Azza, the cameraman an Israeli soldier deliberately targeted and shot in the face: link to

      you want to see enormous challenge? go to 7:30 in the video and consider every jewish israel settlement, town, city has 24/7 running water. not so for palestinians, so don't pretend israel is challenged here, not when they can steal from palestine and make them thirst whenever they want. netanyahu has probably not gone one day in his life thirsty. not one. so spare us.

    • do you think that this feasible.that would double israels population

      apparently the israeli gov thinks it's feasible because they offer it to that many diaspora jews.

    • google bds movement and find out yourself.

      btw, it's similar to why black citizens of Port Gibson, Mississippi boycotted local white businesses in march 1966 that led to the longest boycott in US history resulting in the supreme court case naacp vs claiborne hardware. first, they presented a list of specific demands, when they were denied, they boycotted.

      i'd urge you to focus on what their demands are, instead of what they are not.

    • PEP Zionists could continue to support all other (or many other) progressive causes .... Why not?

      pabelmont, i didn't choose the title (i think mine was along the lines of "freshman alert: supporting israel is not progressive"). i think a student could carve out a place for themselves advocating for other progressive causes while supporting israel. but whether they will attract progressive allies while being overtly pro israel is another story.

      and i think that sentiment (of not aligning oneself with another student or group who advocates for something diametrically opposed to ones core beliefs) is born out in the quote i picked up from the student in kogen's article:

      “by making anti-Zionism a primary tenet of its platform” and therefore “disqualified itself from being our school’s much needed supportive group"

      and let's remember who was in the front line of this shunning years ago.. it was hillel who refused sponsorship of events co sponsored by jvp or sjp or non zionist groups or anyone supporting boycotts. hillel director even refused to address the j street conference. so they're all about shunning -- they just squeal when they are not included and imply (or outright state) it's anti semitism. they see equal rights for palestinians as inherently anti israel. well, clearly zionism is an inherently anti palestinian stance, since it require the deconstruction of palestine for it's own manifestation. total double standard.

    • and here's the "revenge invoice" article in full (my bold). after israel killed the boy, they attacked the funeral for the boy killing 4 more people: link to

      Israeli tank shells kill 4, wound 30 in Gaza
      NOV. 10, 2012 5:32 P.M. (UPDATED: NOV. 12, 2012 9:43 A.M.)
      GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- Israeli tank shells killed 4 Palestinians and wounded 30 in the Gaza Strip on Saturday, medics and witnesses said.
      Ahmad al-Dardasawi, 18, and Muhammad Hararah, 17, were killed in Gaza City, and two unidentified men later died from injuries sustained in the attack.
      At least 26 people were wounded in the shelling, with 10 said to be in a serious condition.
      Residents said a crowded mourning tent in the al-Shujaiyeh neighborhood near Gaza City was full of people paying respects to a bereaved family man when a shell struck.
      Four people were also wounded in Khan Younis as Israel's army targeted an area east of city, witnesses said.
      "The occupation's targeting of civilians was a grave escalation that must not pass in silence," said Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum.
      "Resistance must be reinforced in order to block the aggression."
      The casualty toll is one of the highest in a single incident in Gaza in recent months.
      Israel's army said four soldiers were injured when an "anti-tank missile was fired at an IDF patrol along the security fence in the northern Gaza Strip."
      Two soldiers were seriously wounded and two moderately injured, Israeli media said.
      Israeli forces targeted several sites in response, the statement added.
      The Popular Resistance Committees said it had fired four rockets at communities close to the border and the towns of Sderot and Netivot in southern Israel, in what it called "the revenge invoice" for the deaths in Gaza.
      The attacks took place during a period of increased violence along the Israel-Gaza border.
      Hamid Younis Abu Daqqa, 13, was killed on Thursday after Israeli forces targeted houses and farms east of Khan Younis, according to Ashraf al-Qidra, a medical spokesman in Gaza.

      On Tuesday, three Israeli soldiers were wounded by an explosive device in the southern Gaza Strip, Israel's army said.
      A day earlier, Israeli soldiers shot and killed a 20-year-old Palestinian man who approached a fence near Gaza's border with Israel, medics said.

      Reuters contributed to this report

    • A) Bullsh*t!

      it was all bullshit. including the claim hamas initiated the 3 wars. 2008, israel broke the ceasefire by entering gaza and killing forces in a bunker on the day obama won the election , it was reported on the front page of the nyt. that's what set off the war, israel breaking the ceasefire. 2012, same thing, and same use of US election to hide israel's initiation of the attack -- israel bombed a soccer field and killed a boy -- that's what set off, i documented it at the time/with supporting links:

      link to

      As we reported earlier, on the evening of November 7 in Israel, 10 hours after Obama was elected to his second term in office the Defense Minister of the Israel, Ehud Barak went on the radio and said the Palestinian UN bid had to be delayed "immediately." The next day a Palestinian child was dead, killed in Gaza by invading Israeli military forces. That news has been erased from the narrative rapidly developing over the last 72 hours.

      At dawn, the morning after the Defense Minister's radio address, Israel military forces crossed over the border into Gaza with tanks and bulldozers sparking off a new round violence when 13-year-old Ahmed Younis Khader Abu Daqqa was killed by rounds of live ammunition fired by an Israeli military helicopter on Nov, 8. The Popular Resistance Committees responded by firing rockets into southern Israel saying they were a "revenge invoice" for the increased Israeli attacks on Gazans, making it clear they viewed the Israeli attacks as a provocation. Still, the Palestinian response has served as a PR-friendly casus belli to "prepare international public opinion for an Israeli operation in Gaza."

    • It seems that the cultural barriers and connections which Mr, Kogen believes in are not as badly damaged as he fears.....There is an indication that the traditional inhibitions on anti-Israelism in a liberal environment, which Kogen thinks are endangered, are still quite strong.

      there's been a tremendous amount of energy and resources directed towards mobilizing support for israel on campus and combating bds from the institutional jewish community -- for sure. remember sheldon adelson's anti bds brainstorming conference in las vegas last year? also, there's mark yudof's Academic Engagement Network(AEN), which mobilizes faculty and alumni to swiftly counter bds activity on campuses (ie>> link to , and link to ). and i recommend EI's recent "Israel using “black ops” against BDS, says veteran analyst" link to

      but i wouldn't call yudof's efforts or the new israeli hasbara ministry's 45 million yearly budget part of the "traditional inhibitions on anti-Israelism". i think they're scrambling and fighting back w/all they've got. but i'm not seeing gains for their efforts demographically, the opposite actually.

    • i used the same photo as the forward article i was reviewing. re oberlin/ karega, she's been suspended >> link to

      Johnny Coleman, professor of art and Africana studies, wrote in an email to fellow faculty members that it was “difficult to overlook the dynamics unfolding here in which black students' demands for systemic institutional change are effectively dismissed -- while a call to denounce anti-Semitism and bigotry in all forms has been composed and circulated in a manner that specifically targets an early-career black female colleague. … Moving forward, we need to engage a more nuanced and constructive process.”

      either way, i fail to see how this reflects poorly on bds or pro palestine movements on campus . they didn't hire her nor is there an indication they share her views/opinions. (re 9/11).

  • Many leftwing Israelis are leaving the country -- 'Forward' breaks an important story
    • ;) you noticed that too eljay! i was going to say something but just figured he was referencing his wife as 'grandma'. i think him and grandma have spent so much time together they probably think alike. check this out:

      I was walking along thinking that the old saying was about rats leaving a sinking ship, but then I stopped and chuckled as I said to myself: No now it is the crew and passengers fleeing the sinking ship and leaving it to the rats. - See more at: link to

    • ah, your "feeling"? iow, you don't know where "left-wing Jews" in israel are emigrating to but for the sake of argument decided to assume they were moving to the US -- to pontificate on some poc diatribe as if your primary concern was rooted in Native American lands. cough.

      reminds me of your earlier comment:

      Same thing here in Israel, sure you could find some .... they are merely conforming to the present system of white supremacy

      so, how's your morning in israel sila? waking up? the birdies chirping in the settlements today?

    • it is more of a privilege for them to move there rather than some sort of noble sacrifice against Zionism.

      99.9% of emigrants all over the world do so for a better life (call that privilege considering if they were muslim- palestinian instead of jewish-israeli ok definitly). but she didn't call it a "noble sacrifice against Zionism" -- you did that. As a dedicated activist, wondering if you can better further your cause out of the country or inside is smart, and natural.

    • BDS alone isn’t going to be able to take down this beast and kill it once and for all.

      don't count on that.

    • by moving to settler-colonial projects on Native American lands?

      berlin? there was no mention of where they were moving to.

    • Check the Israeli population statistics to see if you are right.

      where? because it is my understanding accurate figures are hard to get because they count citizenship as population.

    • a fantastic article by Zonszein (and excellent review phil)

  • Liberal Zionists see 'window of opportunity' for two states in last three months of Obama administration
    • do you base these 'guesses' or 'you think, though, actually' about american jews on anything other than your hunches? because there are a lot of self identified so called 'liberal zionists' here. most of the people disputing that are people who don't believe zionism is compatible with liberalism. if 99% of Zionists "would not want to be associated with liberals, or be called liberal Zionists", the term likely wouldn't exist.

    • 25k messages doesn't surprise me in a party membership of 400k. i'd blast her too if i was a member for the inflammation of perpetuating this crap. dragging the whole party and the country into the focus of anti semitism as if it's the worst threatening thing in the UK political landscape.

    • If you want to counter that Jewish effect, the only answer is to have a real debate in the Jewish community.

      i don't agree with this at all. the real debate can and will happen with many many americans as well as internationally. the time for this debate is long overdue. it's already started and cannot be contained within "the jewish community" (regardless of what clinton thinks or how she acts) for it effects all of us.

  • Marc Lynch warns against the U.S. escalation in Syria
    • i didn't give it a thought danaa -- about it being a good idea or not. i was looking for something (i think i had recently posted, something on that topic) and i googled it and this popped up, so i just posted about it when it happened. why would i keep something like that to myself? re the archives, i don't for a minute think it was accidental -- altho some people may sincerely believe it is.

    • @annie
      most of your reference points well taken. But, the report citing the support Assad.. retained versus the 'abandonment' of 'lybia' , Egypt, etc.

      1)- I would say "abandonment" is a bad choice of words. Mubarak may have been dumped by Obama but he was not abandoned by many power players I the region.

      do you mean the term "totally isolated"? because i can't see any reference to the term "abandonment" other than yours.

      the blockquote below that ["totally isolated"] reference specifically addressed assad's "considerable support among wide sectors of the Syrian citizenry", therefore (although i can't check the reference because i don't have the book), it seems lynch was addressing domestic support, not regional or international. so that's what i addressed. and i'm not sure i'd apply that, as lynch did, to libya. because i think gaddafi did have considerable support amongst the loyalists (especially in ghat, tawargha (now a ghost town) and tripoli) but i'm not any kind of expert on libya. it's difficult to asses his (# of)supporters before the war after the fact (although there were protests not sure how much they may have been influenced by outside forces) because the new gov tortures and imprisons signs of loyalty to this day (1000's including civilians still imprisoned by new libyan gov).

    • yonah, google is your friend. there are tons of links. here's one from 2012 -- way back:

      "Most Syrians back President Assad, but you'd never know from western media"

      link to

      The key finding was that while most Arabs outside Syria feel the president should resign, attitudes in the country are different. Some 55% of Syrians want Assad to stay, motivated by fear of civil war –

      2013: "NATO data: Assad winning the war for Syrians’ hearts and minds"

      link to

      Originally published May 31, 2013

      LONDON — After two years of civil war, support for the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad was said to have sharply increased.

      NATO has been studying data that told of a sharp rise in support for Assad. The data, compiled by Western-sponsored activists and organizations, showed that a majority of Syrians were alarmed by the Al Qaida takeover of the Sunni revolt and preferred to return to Assad, Middle East Newsline reported.

      “The people are sick of the war and hate the jihadists more than Assad,”

      .....The data, relayed to NATO over the last month, asserted that 70 percent of Syrians support the Assad regime. Another 20 percent were deemed neutral and the remaining 10 percent expressed support for the rebels.

      try googling "what percentage syrians support assad"

      here's the current top response from google:

      The survey, conducted by ORB International, a company which specializes in public opinion research in fragile and conflict environments, [2] found that 47 percent of Syrians believe that Assad has a positive influence in Syria, compared to only 35 percent for the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and 26 percent for the Syrian Opposition Coalition. Dec 12, 2015

      not sure if i have ever run into a poll that didn't state most syrians supported him over any of the opposition options.

    • he claims it isn't personal and has repeatedly acted like a jilted lover.

    • He explains that, in contrast to Tunisia, Egypt and Libya, the Syrian regime did not become totally isolated:

      “Asad retained considerable support among wide sectors of the Syrian citizenry, including not only minority communities but also much of the urban Sunni elites who had benefitted from his rule and feared change.”

      - See more at: link to

      i've read several times over the years assad's supported by the majority (over 50%) of the population. i touched on this topic in this march 2013 article i wrote: "In Iraq, and now Syria, US seeks secular outcome by… promoting sectarian division" - See more at: link to

      (and here's the version w/the comment thread btw: link to

      (bold added)

      Let’s listen to Tom Friedman’s recent New York Times op ed about Syria, Caution, Curves Ahead:

      There is a strong argument for everyone doing more to end the Syrian civil war before the Syrian state totally collapses and before its sectarian venom and refugees further destabilize Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan…..

      Why has he been able to hold on so long? Russian and Iranian military aid certainly help, but so does the support he still enjoys in key communities. Assad’s Alawite minority sect, which has been ruling since 1970 and constitutes 12 percent of Syria’s 22 million population, believes that either they rule or they die at the hands of the country’s Sunni Muslim majority (74 percent). The Syrian Christians, who are 10 percent, and some secular Sunni Muslims, particularly merchants, have also thrown in their lot with Assad, because they believe that either he rules or chaos does. None of them believe the rebels can or will build a stable, secular, multisectarian democracy in Assad’s wake. Why do we think they are wrong?

      Some secular Sunni Muslims, eh? How many? Friedman tells us the Syrian Sunni Majority is 74%, the Syrian Alawite community is 12%, and Syrian Christians are 10%. But that hardly explains the basis of Assad’s support. Friedman describes the secular Sunni Muslims who support Assad as “merchants.” Friedman ignores the fact that Syrians, like Iraqis before our invasion, lived, primarily, in a secular society.

      Assad’s regime is secular. Saddam was also a secular dictator. The US supports and empowers sectarian actors, while claiming to seek democratic secular results. Why do we do that? Friedman won’t tell you.

      - See more at: link to

      at the time i thought it was curious that friedman gives us detailed percentages of minorities supporting assad, mentions the sunni majority percentage (74%) and then just skips the percentage of this category of sunni "merchants". so by the time you add the 12% alawite and 10% christian it really does matter what percentage of sunnis support assad, but he doesn't tell you. they wouldn't need all these foreign fighters if the majority of the country wanted to oust assad.

    • alert, i was just googling around for something i wrote about syria and ran into some of my archives stored at another site. a search on the authors name in those archives lead me to the same article w/all the comments intact. check this out link to

      the comments are there.

      and look, hostage's archives! link to

      shingo's link to

      i think all of them may be available by placing "staging1." in front of the thread and archive urls

      sorry for the divert. i'm amazed!!

    • Marc Lynch is one of the few experts who has over time been proven right about Syria, and his informed warnings must be taken seriously.

      not to toot our own horns but lots of mondoweiss commenters have also been proven right about syria (saying this stuff for a long long time even before lynch), which one could easily witness in the long comment thread (100's) following the highly controversial 2013 article by Ramah Kudaimi we published here title "Do’s and don’ts for progressives discussing Syria" link to

      well, we might have been proven right if the comment section wasn't erased that is. this is why our commenter archives are so important. the arguments went on for days supported by many many links and supporting docs.

  • Daniel Berrigan's 1973 prophecy: Israel is becoming 'the tomb of the Jewish soul'
    • supposed to mark “Raphael” out as sui generis, disinterested, and incapable of any partiality towards Zionism.

      oh please. a distinguishing feature of so many pro israel trolls on this site (thankfully most banned at one time or another but they keep re morphing) is the elaborate bio they keep imposing on us. remember that guy who wrote the endlessly long pro zionists posts, claimed he was a lebanese muslim over and over. taxi went to the little village in southern lebanon and no one had ever heard of this family. and i've been to southern lebanon, everyone in these villages knows everyone else.

    • like 'barbaric Jews in nature' built the musuem of tolerance over a cherished muslim graveyard? in fact, one could argue 'barbaric Jews in nature' purposely built the entirety of israel over the key holy site of palestine (holy land).

      i'm trying to figure out how a phrase like "militant Arabs, barbaric Arabs in nature" even made it through moderation. hmm.

    • The activist refused to answer the question of “Who are the most militant Zionist Jews here in Portland.?”

      maybe they didn't know. i'm not sure how identifying the most militant Zionist Jews in Portland furthers whatever conversation you were having.

      until “Jews” begin to organize Synagogues that reject Israel and Zionism, it appears that Israel does in fact, represent “the tomb of the Jewish soul”.

      what are you placing scare quotes around jews? and why are you cornering a jvp activist over this? could you give us a little more context to what sounds like animosity towards the activist. did they say something in particular that set you off.

      that said, i think organizing synagogues that reject Zionism and israel's crimes and call for justice for palestinians is a great idea.

    • is he writing about himself again? i've never run into such a self centered commenter. he's tells us he's a half jewish in every other comment. jeez louise.

  • Desperately seeking a strong man -- Donald and Hillary
  • Israel's plan to retool occupation includes color-coding 'good' and 'bad' Palestinians
  • Syrian death tolls and the kinder gentler jihadists
  • Church of Sweden explores BDS as 'only chance to liberate Palestinians and Israeli Jews'
  • Huma Abedin dumps Anthony Weiner, occupation denier
    • Ending the marriage however, says more towards her own inability or unwillingness to keep her spouse accountable to his action.

      it's not her role, responsibility or duty to "keep" him accountable. besides, for a repeat offender, if you've informed him before if he does that again she'll leave him then divorce is one way of holding him accountable. your sentence implies there's some flaw in her (inability or unwillingness) because of his actions -- or his inability or unwillingness.

  • 'Everything that we have done since 9/11 is wrong' -- the worldview of Major Todd Pierce (Retired)
    • excellent clip kay.

    • they screwed up iraq on purpose just like they're screwing up syria on purpose. it's a strategy for controlling the region. the more you know the more obvious it is.

    • rodney, i linked to seymour hersh's stove pipe above, i recommend, then there's Kwiatkowski 's article In Rumsfeld's Shop. link to

      there's been a lot written about this era by others besides hersh and Kwiatkowsk, including as i recall ron suskin for the nyt (re "reality based community"). if our archives were around and i were not so lazy i'd dig some more stuff up for you.

    • incredible interview -- loved it. i look forward to pt 2.

    • jack, i'd urge you to read more Kwiatkowski. and it's not only her who's thoroughly covered this era of unrestrained access, i'd recommend hersh's stovepiping. link to

  • Occupied Palestinian village coveted by Jewish settlers is dubbed 'miserable' in Washington Post
  • Critiques not fit to print: Students and allies respond to 'NYT' coverage of Palestine activism on campus
    • “more likely than not that the participants could not hear the screening of the movie.”

      jon, please explain to us why the "participants" should be able to hear a so called "public screening" that excluded certain members of the public who arrived peacefully and were locked out?

      first they lie, flipping the circumstance of them locking out the students from the movie and the claiming the reverse, that "protesters blocked the exits and threatened attendees" which was unsubstantiated by witnesses and video footage -- plus, the "volume of the public" (the protest) would likely not have been what it was had they not locked out students who arrived peacefully.

      so it sounds like a real bait n switch to me. the same people who caused the fiasco then called for police intervention, then plastered it all over press w/false allegations garnering as much attention and public sympathy as possible --and you're still trying to squeeze more blood out of your turnip now, grasping at straws. who do you think even started the rumor "protesters blocked the exits and threatened attendees"? it was all video taped. it didn't happen. false charges and tons of press you're still trying to capitalize on it. same w/your 2014 link. whatever happened to that? do you even know, or are you just trying to get more mileage out of false charges? the AMCHA Initiative, author of that link, is a hate group led by a racist who is famous for making inflammatory false charges accusing students of being terrorists and more. she was the one behind the initiate to get the WH anti semitism task force to investigate UCSC which came to not after a long long time. all trumped up false charges. seriosuly, and you're linking to that crap here?

    • jon, frankly i find it disgusting everytime some pro israel group says jump the DA or the WH opens an investigation. the allegations in your algemeiner article have been rejected link to

      On Friday, The University of California Irvine (UCI) dismissed allegations against UCI’s student organization Students for Justice for Palestine (SJP) following their participation in a campus protest in May outside what was publicized as a public screening of a controversial film. After interviewing witnesses and reviewing extensive video footage, UCI’s Office of Student Conduct released a 58 page report finding that SJP students arrived peacefully at the event but were locked out by its organizers, Anteaters for Israel / Students Supporting Israel.

      Members of SJP, joined by students from other student groups, began demonstrating outside the event when they were locked out. The report confirms SJP’s account that their protest was peaceful, and found claims made by attendees of the event that protesters blocked the exits and threatened attendees to be unsubstantiated. ....

      UCI’s findings are consistent with the reports of legal observers who were at the scene. The findings are also consistent with the Orange County District Attorney’s decision not to pursue criminal charges against members or supporters of SJP after the case was referred to them by university police. The sanctions the administration imposed against SJP for the alleged “disruption” are a warning and an educational assignment.

  • Many Clinton Foundation donors oppose BDS-- and so does Clinton
    • I’m surprised Phil and Mondoweiss even bother to ask the question of whether there is a quid pro quo from the Clintons

      i'd be surprised too david, had phil asked that question -- but alas, he didn't. the article was about:

      raised the question of what these donors got for their money beyond facetime.

      what they got is a different topic than whether they got, especially in an article that elaborates -- what they've gotten!

  • Israeli forces shoot and kill unarmed Palestinian man, 38, for allegedly running toward them
    • where's the incentive for israeli soldiers to not shoot palestinians dead whenever they feel like it? maybe a camera from a social media perspective, but camera no prob, no camera no prob. either way nothing will happen to the soldier. bad mood that day, kill a palestinian, good mood that day kill a palestinian.

  • Video intifada
  • Months after saying he won't appear at Israeli foreign ministry events, Amos Oz will do just that in Paris
    • The emblem he suggests is representative of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs is the Emblem of the State of Israel

      mayhem, the symbol - unsurprisingly -- is also the official symbol of israel's minitry of foreign affairs:
      >>> link to

      it's a promotional event put on by the embassy -- to promote israel.

  • 'Why do you have Arabic in this notebook?': 17-year-old American student strip searched and interrogated in Ben Gurion airport
  • ADL took US cops to Israeli prison, occupied Hebron and settler winery during counter-terror seminar
    • naftush -- you think the security overview and the security tour lead by idf major and brig general (res) respectively is merely coincidental? and roni tidhar coordinator of Ben Guriont’s security division, for a better understanding of who she coordinates with read this: link to

    • speaking of pathetic, you're a coward

      where would you feel safer raising a teen — aida refugee camp or Indianapolis?

    • and silam, who do you think is worse off, more oppressed -- african americans or palestinians living under occupation?

      where would you feel safer raising a teen -- aida refugee camp or Indianapolis?

    • btw, you calling for the eradication of the idf and the american police with "vigor and contempt" is irrelevant because neither will happen. i noticed you didn't answer my question - if american police are “so keen to work with the idf” as you claim, why is the adl and their co horts paying for these (free to US police) excursions?

      do you believe the idf is a corrupting factor in american security? yes or no. do you think the ADL taking US cops to Israeli prisons, occupied Hebron and settler winery during counter-terror seminar is a corrupting factor or irrelevant? do you think the american public is better informed knowing about these police junkets -- or less informed?

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