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Annie Robbins

Annie Robbins is Editor at Large for Mondoweiss, a mother, a human rights activist and a ceramic artist. She lives in the SF bay area. Follow her on Twitter @anniefofani

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  • Obama's impossible dilemma--and ours
    • i'm over following your lame ass links that 'prove' no point. you gotta link from turkey circa last year with the list, from turkey? let me know. in fact blockquote it cuz i'm done following your lame ass links.

    • slater, i know it seems complicated but it isn't. when everything seems like it's in chaos and you can't see the way out that just means you're so emotionally involved you can't see the forest for the trees. that goes for big things as well and small things.

      so, what's the first thing you learn in life in terms of solving your problems? tell the truth. who's telling the american people the truth? we can't fix this until the cards are on the table, and they are not on the table. obama didn't tell the truth. the faster tha american public learn the truth the better. the faster they learn why all the congress people go to israel and speak israel's praises the better.

      In my view, the withdrawal of American support might well result in an Israel that would become even more irrational and violent than it already is. Do we really think that the settlers and the large numbers of Israelis that support them would give up? There is little chance that the increasingly hardline Israeli police and military would or could enforce an end to the occupation

      it is not relevant to our actions right now whether they would give up or not. it should not be a determining factor in doing what's right. you either support the settlements and the occupation or you do not. so which is it? if you don't then don't advocate funding it. it's that simple. take each decision as it comes and do what's right. don't act in fear about what israel might do. always do what is the best moral decision.

      as far as domestic politics are concerned i don't see how it really effects me that much. there really isn't anything obama is doing most republicans wouldn't do in his place. the image might be different but basically it is the same policy.

      i was reading the nyt comment column the other day in response to obama's UN speech. over 300 comments (by recommend)and all negative. (i only got 3/4 thru..there were about 5 pro israel comments). the only comment repeated several times was people saying they pounded the pavement for obama but will not vote for him again. obama shouldn't be worrying about the jewish vote. he should be worried about loosing the left, we're bigger.

    • dbg, he wasn't mocking about nazi germany (is it my imagination or do you guys bring up nazis everyday?) he said 'traditional' 'organic', ' i doubt it'. or something like that.

      organic just means sans chemicals. when they stopbeating up children and whisking them away in the middle of the night..whatever. quit sugar coating no rights. just stop. you can't put lipstick on this pig.

    • slater, after writing a long paragraph in response i reviewed what you wrote and realized i perhaps read it wrong. i thought you meant even tho it was unbearable for you that you had concluded nothing at all can be done. so thank you for correcting my misconception and i will go back and review the rest of the text again. sorry.

    • why don't you read mig's comment again yourself mr hotshot. mig never claimed hitler won with a majority he merely provided a link. this is a common misconception anyway. i recall phil didn't even know this not that long ago. contrary to eee's bloviating it doesn't concluded anyone is lying, it concludes they don't know.

      what's with the hasbrats today? lots of chirping little endless nothing comments.

    • sure there is. it's apartheid. one government.

    • happy new year jon s. Shana Tova.

    • i agree. the american people need to have a conversation about this and congress people should be held accountable for there kowtowing to israel.

    • eee, i didn't use the term game changer. not sure what you're referencing. also could you address this ORGANIC restaurant comment? i noticed jon s said something about it yesterday. saying you can't eat traditional and organic at the same time or something. what does that mean? how is it any different than eating an organic traditional thanksgiving dinner?

    • nothing at all can be done.

      well, thank goodness there are people around who don't share your view.

  • Border anxiety in the West Bank
  • "Anti-Price Tag Patrol" criticized by Israeli right; settlers demand stronger IDF response
    • that is a really irresponsible headline by jta. especially when their own reporting said may have occurred after a rock was thrown at the car. i have no reason to believe anything settler police say. nothing.

      take the last word

    • ah, thank you shmuel. this reminds me of the graffiti i saw recently @ bir zeit campus. plus in that shin bet haaretz report they also graffiti'd the peace now workers house.

      it is not that hard to track down graffiti artists, they have to buy their spray paint somewhere and leave identifying tags. the city of seattle just hired an expert. my son is a tagger and knows about this stuff. it isn't rocket science.

    • how about the father and son who were killed by the stone throwers?

      according to the terrorist settlers, bla. the government didn't allege or report they were killed by stone throwers. you know that. i noticed you had nothing to say about the shin bet report:

      Extreme right-wing Jewish activists in the West Bank have moved from spontaneous acts against Arabs - following the demolition of Jewish homes by Israeli authorities, or terror attacks against Jews - to organized planning that includes use of a database of potential targets, according to new analysis by the Shin Bet security service.

      The small groups of Jewish extremists are difficult to infiltrate and carry out surveillance on Arab villages and collect information about access points and escape routes in the villages.

      go bark up someone else's tree.

    • actually, according to that link up there Maariv editor: Settler terrorists and their rabbis are Neonazis. of course calling someone a neonazi is not quite the same as calling them hitler. also, note my first haaretz link up thread:

      Sources in the Shin Bet noted that the planned attacks against Arabs and left-wing Israelis constitute terrorist activity, for all intents and purposes.

      and the article is titled "Shin Bet: Israel's extreme rightists organizing into terror groups".

      they just don't come right out and call them terrorists.

    • chaos, check this out Document: Settlers prep to terrorize West Bank. i notice they always put price tag in quotes. “price tag” attacks but i don't ever see the original text saying price tag.

    • Can someone explain how progroms became “price tag operations”?

      yes, the first i heard of the price tag attacks was directly after netanyahu announced they would be conducting a settlement freeze.

      US tax dollars fund rabbi who sanctioned killing gentile babies and incited torching of Yasuf mosque
      December 15, 2009

      Rabbi Elitzur

      UPDATE: Yaniv Reich provides a handbook for journalists and activists interested in exploring this issue further.

      Friday’s (December 11 2009) torching of a mosque in the West Bank village of Yasuf, did not take place in a vacuum. The “price tag” terror tactic has been public knowledge for more than two years. Rabbis publicly sanction and encourage these attacks.

      The Od Yosef Hai yeshiva in Yitzhar is a notable example. Its head, Rabbi Yitzhak Ginzburg, is the author of Baruch Hagever, an ode to Cave of Patriarchs murderer Baruch Goldstein. In early November the yeshiva’s dean, Rabbi Yosef Elitzur, published the “Handbook for the Killing of Gentiles.” On December 4 he published an article with specific instructions for terror activities in response to the “settlement freeze.”

      here's more

      Maariv editor: Settler terrorists and their rabbis are Neonazis
      December 15, 2009 Didi Remez 4 comments

      The past two days have witnessed some Israeli reaction to settler fundamentalism. On Sunday (December 13 2009) evening, Defense Minister Ehud Barak finally stood up to a mutiny-inciting IDF-affiliated rabbi. This morning (December 15 2009) Haaretz published a scathing exposé of how Israeli and US taxes fund Yitzhar’s Od Yosef Hai yeshiva, publisher of Baruch Hagever, an ode to Cave of Patriarchs murderer Baruch Goldstein, and, more recently, the “Handbook for the Killing of Gentiles.”

      Most startling, however, is an op-ed by Ben Dror Yemini, a senior editor at Maariv, known as a leading crusader against anti-Israeli propaganda and ‘Islamofascism.’ Enraged at the damage done to his efforts by Friday’s (December 11 2009) torching of a mosque in the West Bank village of Yasuf, he penned a full frontal assault on the attackers, the rabbis sanctioning them and the government’s of Israel lack of action on the issue (full text after the jump.)

      and more

      Just last week, ahead of a revival meeting with the notorious Rabbi Yitzhak Ginzburg (author of Baruch Hagever, an ode to Cave of Patriarchs murderer Baruch Goldstein) he published an article with specific instructions on this type of action in response to the “settlement freeze.”

      This morning’s (December 13 2009) Yediot made the connection. In a news item entitled “The people who want to set things ablaze,” Zvi Singer et al report that

      A number of the settler rabbis voiced their support for that mode of action and, by so doing, increased awareness about the issue and created a type of internal buzz among the activists. For example, Rabbi Yosef Elitzur of the Od Yosef Hai yeshiva in Yitzhar published an article in the extremist right wing newsletter called Hakol Heyhudi [The Jewish Voice] in which he explicitly called for operations like the arson at the Yasouf mosque. “Operations of reciprocal responsibility,” is how Rabbi Elitzur chose to define them. “We too have strength and we too shall use it at a time and place of our choosing,” he wrote. “If the Jews don’t have quiet—the Arabs won’t have quiet either; If the Arabs win because of violence against Jews—the Jews too will win because of violence against Arabs.”

      This Friday’s (December 11 2009) edition of the Jewish Voice, entitled “Fighting the Freeze,” reiterates the importance of such attacks (full Hebrew document here)

      Another important “tip” in this context: Whoever wants to win does not limit himself to protest, nor does he let the other side determine the boundaries of the battle. We need to choose for ourselves the sector of the struggle. Why, for example, wait in the settlements for the violent-frost-forces [sic], and not send a small delegation of our own to the nearby Arab village, to check out the freeze situation there? Believe me that all the [IDF] forces will immediately retreat to the Arab village…

      Yediot fails to mention that the Od Yosef Hai yeshiva is the recipient of generous government funding, perhaps because Haaretz was the one to expose this fact. According to Israel’s premier expert on NGO funding, Prof. Gerald Steinberg of NGO Monitor, however, this is just a fact of life in Israel, as normal as funding of youth movements, and does not warrant any extraordinary action. Responding to a direct question on Od Yosef Hai, he tells the Jerusalem Post’s Shmuel Rosner that...

      lots more here: http://coteret.com/category/jewish-fundamentalism/page/2/

    • nah, i'm not buying the 'both sides' story. defner

      Israel’s number one journalist, Nahum Barnea of Yediot Aharonot, wrote the following today about the immediate prospects for violence in the West Bank as a result of the UN showdown::

      “Surprising as it sounds, the IDF and Israel Police both figure that the greatest danger at the moment is not from the Palestinian side, but from the Jewish side. ‘Price tag’ operations by settler extremists are spreading. Eight mosques have been attacked in the last two weeks with no arrests of any culprits being made. The Shin Bet stands helpless in the face of these events. While the Palestinian leadership is calling for restraint, Jewish extremists are fanning the flames, which are liable to sweep thousands of Arabs up on both sides of the Green Line.

      “This is the danger – and the failure. It is keeping senior security officials awake at night.”

      and then last week i entered a draft, not sure why it didn't cut the mustard but here's Haaretz reporting "Extreme right-wing Jewish activists" are organizing into terror groups. some fanatics threatened a Peace Now activist with murder. According to the Shin Bet "extreme Jewish activists" have expanded there terrorizing activities from Palestinians in the West Bank to targeting Jews, specifically "left-wing Israeli activists" Shin Bet's new analysis claims the Jewish extremists have a database of potential targets and are organizing. "Sources in the Shin Bet noted that the planned attacks against Arabs and left-wing Israelis constitute terrorist activity, for all intents and purposes. "

      plus another report in the hebrew press about 'waves' of attacks on palestinians in east jerusalem.

      this is incitement. and i just linked to a video in another thread here it is again about a kid getting attacked by settlers in the same town near nablus settlers shot man for no reason on friday.

  • Abbas at the United Nations a game changer? Maybe.
    • thanks for that link hostage.

    • However, what it does mean, when we are threatened with extinction, we take it very seriously......and if you claim that Iran does not mean what they say

      yawn.

    • When someone presents an argument in a rational manner, even if I disagree with it, I can review it and learn from it and respond. Chaos, Shingo, Cliff and Annie etc however feel that they need childish insults

      lli, citizen was very polite and rational and you chose to respond by whining at us. you didn't really engage his comment other than complain.

      Yes, I know, you are all tired of hearing of the Shoah. However, I am trying to figure out how it was that my mother, not a religious Jew, living in some small town in Hungary ended up in Auschwitz where her extended family was destroyed. I guess it was because she had an air of superiority about her vis-a-vis the goyim.

      well then what are you doing here? why don't you go try to figure it out elsewhere.

    • so what? seriously, so what? here's a video for you. it's current too.

    • falsitudes of the kind he spouts have been debunked zillion times!

      that's why i responded 'wash rinse repeat'. it's crazy sometimes. but we must remember there are newbies reading all the time so these responses (yours are an excellent example) are important. repetitive lies create an opportunity to shoot down the arguments again and again and the day has arrived lies like his will never be presented without the attending rebuttals. every lie has to be slashed and decimated. that's how history is written in the age of the internet. israel's history has been sustained thru myth, those days are over.

    • wash rinse repeat wash rinse repeat

    • There is a serious danger that the UN Security Council, rather than moving to schedule a rapid vote with its inevitable US veto, will instead move to create a committee, to launch an investigation, to commission a report… and otherwise move to simply bury the Palestinian application in the labyrinthine mumbo-jumbo of UN diplo-speak. The issue might not re-surface for months

      i hope this doesn't happen. we were just discussing this around here yesterday. either way i'm assuming they can't put it off forever.

      i'm very much in favor of this being a game changer. bring it on.

  • Buttu, Erakat, Dajani, Rabbani and Abunimah respond to UN speeches
    • Erekat is the niece of PLO Executive Committee member and Negotiations Support Unit Chief, Saeb Erekat.

      i know, i was just now reviewing his biography after getting lost in a sea of her youtube videos. i'm a fan of hers. thanks for the link, i'll check it out now.

    • here is the link to Expert Reactions to Abbas & Netanyahu Speeches at UNGA (September 2011) .

      i really wanted to hear more of what erekat had to say because there was an incompleteness about it. here is the remainder of her statement:

      (my bold)

      "Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' speech today signaled that that policy has proven ineffective and must come to end by moving the conflict out of the dark and hushed corners of bilateralism to the stage of multilateral strategies.

      "Words of course do not amount to deeds, and it is yet to be seen whether the Palestinian leadership intends to pursue the internationalization of the Palestinian struggle beyond the proceedings of the General Assembly's 66th Session. If so, next steps will include inclusion of the Palestinian national body in representative elections, meaningful reconciliation with Hamas, and a diplomatic marathon intended to encourage compliance with the International Court of Justice's 2004 Advisory Opinion on the Wall and making actionable the recommendations enumerated by the Fact-Finding Mission to Gaza."

      yes!

    • instead of blaming the "other"

      did you read this?.

    • shorter dimadok: surrender already!

  • Harvard students: 'The decision to criminalize the Irvine 11 for their courageous action is an attack on all people who seek peace and justice in Israel/Palestine.'
  • Obama approves secret sale of 'bunker buster' bombs to Israel
    • thanks dan. “hey, can you help us out over here” i absolutely agree with.

    • another thing dan, tho the request goes back to bush (for release in 09-10)it was obama who released them and chose the timing of the release. November 25, 2009 "Netanyahu, told a news conference earlier today that there will be a ten-month stop in the construction of new settlement housing in the West Bank. " one week after the nov 18/o9 cable. i posit they are connected and i also posit one reason it was kept secret was because of the 'first step' framing.

      "We have been told by our friends that once Israel takes the first meaningful steps towards peace, the Arab world and the Palestinians will follow," said Netanyahu follow

      but we know now israel didn't take the first step, they demanded payment upfront and then didn't come thru on the freeze.

    • wrong about what? this:

      at their first meeting bibi focused on iran and obama on palestine and the sale of the bunker busters was in exchange for the settlement freeze

      i guess i am not following you dan. i recall their first meeting. the wikileaks dates the delivery at the end of 09. when was the alleged 'settlement freeze' first announced? are you positing it is a coincidence and the two are not related?

      also, this was already leaked thru wikileaks on the aug 30th. do you posit it is simply a coincidence obama decided to also leak it himself days after it was already leaked? perhaps leaking it to lake was making lemonade out of lemons. after all, it's not like he can get credit for leaking it if it explodes all over the internet all by itself which it would have eventually. not sure how you can be so sure given the timing but i appreciate your determination to be right. i'm still curious which part you think i have 'wrong'.

    • mrw, when you say 'he agreed to this before jan 20th" where did you read that? the wikileak was dated nov 18/o9 about a meeting the day before and referenced the 'upcoming delivery' and the newsweek article said 'several months after he took office' but also that bush ordered them for israel.

      but i agree with you about being through with him. i came to that decision after the settlement resolution veto.

    • not sure i agree (check my response to bill downthread). also there is this:

      But judging Obama’s attitude toward Israel solely on the basis of whether or not he is willing to maintain normal security cooperation is to measure it by an extremely low standard.

      as if selling bunker busters is 'normal security cooperation'. no, i think at their first meeting bibi focused on iran and obama on palestine and the sale of the bunker busters was in exchange for the settlement freeze (that wasn't).

    • also note U.S. and Israeli officials tell Newsweek means it was coordinated. had it been the WH doing this for the reasons tobin mentions why would either likud or lieberman be part of this?

    • i'm not sure i agree completely w/tobin. i have not opened all the links so excuse me if this has been covered already but i think it is likely the news was going to get out anyway due to the wikileak.

      Both sides then discussed the upcoming delivery of GBU-28 bunker busting bombs to Israel, noting that the transfer should be handled quietly to avoid any allegations that the USG is helping Israel prepare for a strike against Iran.

      so, it may have been a question of getting out in front of the leak as opposed to being 'outed'. it was released on aug 30th.

    • great comment taxi

  • Outside the UN
  • A roundup of opinions from a busy week at the UN
    • all the time? someone should tell larry david.

    • how did that happen you asked? one might posit their brains are wrapped up in filling their campaign coffers. check out the comments. i'm on pg 24 and i've encountered about 6 agreeing with the prez and congress. what do you think of the brains of the american public? it's very straight forward actually. people are pissed and they know what is going on over there.

    • idiotic? seriously lli, you've heard about the neighborhood committees.

    • kate, now you have made my week with Fairouz! amazing and with english titles...al-Quds..we will celebrate the splendor...

    • interesting choice, to drag nazi's into the thread lli. do you feel more comfortable arguing against those comparisons? does it rev you up?

    • perfect links taxi, especially the second. thanks

  • Breaking: 'Irvine 11' found guilty on two charges for protesting Michael Oren
    • i hope it does reach the supreme court.

    • But none of this will stop us. These are acts of desperation, scorched earth policy, for a repressive state losing ground day by day because of the steadfastness of the internal opposition and the forthrightness of their supporters worldwide

      i know, we just have to keep going and not be afraid. we can do it, we have truth on our side and the global community.

    • It does not change an underlying fact that the prosecutors at the federal and local level are still infected with Islamophobia

      not necessarily. they merely could have been infected with over zealous zionist constituents. or outsiders willing to make generous contributions to some local projects.

    • i just watched a bit of your link. i gave up tv news a while ago. if you can even call that 'news'. just the dumbing down of america.

    • you totally crack me. once.. but twice! i love it.

      ;)

    • lli, check this out:

      In February 2010, as Oren began to speak about the U.S.-Israeli relationship at a campus speech, the students rose one-by-one to object to Israel's occupation of the West Bank. One shouted, "Michael Oren, propagating murder is not an expression of free speech!" As the offender was removed from the audience, a designated compatriot shouted, "You, sir, are an accomplice to genocide!" And so on. According to an attorney for one of the students, the longest of the interruptions lasted roughly 8 seconds, and the total amount of time taken up by their outbursts—combined—was roughly one minute.

      That's one minute too long when you're talking about Muslim students interrupting the Israeli ambassador to the U.S. to inform him that some people think his country's policies are unjust, which is illegal, so don't do it.

      that is gawker: Muslim Students Convicted of Being Mean to Israeli Ambassador.

      Why do these people make it a religious issue

      some people think being chosen to defend the first amendment means god is on their side. it is a noble cause but somebody's got to do it.

    • trending on twitter EI is second in the US right now and it ain't cuz of bibi.

    • Looooooooby got to the jury

      oh please . the case went to trial on the 10 year anniversary of 9/11. i'd say the lobby got much higher up the ladder than the jury. they got their day in court alright but don't you think for one minute this is over. there will be a revolt. the next time one of israel war criminal supporters trkes talking on an american campus there will be pushback.mark my words. this is going down in american history and israel will be the one who looses.

    • latimes

      Irvine 11': Verdict lights up Twitter

      Twitter was alive with reaction -- sharp but mixed -- to an Orange County jury's decision Friday to find 10 Muslim students guilty of conspiring and then disrupting a February 2010 speech at UC Irvine by the Israeli ambassador to the United States.

      The case has drawn national attention over free-speech rights. Prosecutors argued that Ambassador Michael Oren was “shut down” when his speech was interrupted by students who took turns shouting preplanned phrases in a crowded UC Irvine ballroom. But defense attorneys argued the students were only following in the footsteps of generations of those who have staged college protests and that their clients were being singled out.

      Here's a sampling from Twitter:

    • i hope they take it all the way to the supreme court. how many code pink people have disrupted speeches and nothing like this. this is completely racist and unjust. i'm livid.

    • i am devastated. just retweeted

      ghassanish Ghassan Hussein

      Just spoke to a few of the #Irvine11 students. Khalid Akari just told me "God has a plan for us" #Irvine11

  • Abbas brings Tahrir to New York, and some of our media seem to be on board
    • yes, 'quality' of racist islamophobia might suggests that Jewish Americans should be tarnished by the actions of Zio-supremacists and should be expected to apologize for them. but why would anyone choose to become equal to racist acts? that's all i'm saying. i don't want anyone to worry their neighbors are suspicious of them because of their race or ethnicity. i would never advocate that or wish for it. on the other hand if someone shows outward signs of supporting apartheid or ethnic cleansing that is another story.

    • plus, there's no reason any non zionist should have to defend themselves for the actions taken on behalf of zionism. christian zionists on the other hand bear huge responsibility. millions of people. we don't need complete societal breakdown and recriminations or civil war.

    • seriously kris, are you in your right mind? why would anyone wish that on any group of people based on their ethnicity? the way out of this problem is not to compound it. there are many of american jews speaking out because of their conscious, not societal pressure which is the way it should be.

    • it did cross my mind more than a few times on my travels.

    • yeah, when they stood up is when i burst into tears. thanks for linking to it again. i'm listening again now.

    • excellent post phil. thanks

  • Mondoweiss liveblogs the UN General Assembly speeches
    • look at those empty seats. people were leaving.

    • thanks justice. between this and irvine11 it's been an emotional day. they didn't get jail time, community service. i hope they appeal the conviction.

    • what does isrsael's policies have to do with 'most jews'. look whose ruling the place. wake up.

    • check the front page chu, it's got a thread alreeady

    • Israel will not be satisfied until the Al-Aqsa is destroyed and the Third Temple is rebuilt

    • He’ll even make Annie feel sorry for Israel the underdog surrounded by all these savage Arabs.

      i do not watch or listen to him, not me. i've been glued to twitter re irvine11. what a horrible moment when the verdict came in.

    • IRVINE11 GUILTY on both counts!

      screaming mad. they've criminalized protesting AGAINST WAR CRIMES america's justice system hold israel crimes dear while squashing american rights.

      A SAD DAY FOR AMERICA

    • The Israeli military has heavily boosted its presence around the West Bank, worried that the Palestinian move toward international recognition of its statehood might inspire large-scale marches or violence against some of the 330,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank. They were equally concerned that radical settlers could promote confrontations.

      bonner is totaly spinning. if he has not heard the settlers planned to march across the land and into villages to confront palestinians ..well i don't believe it. tha palestinians are not planning the "large-scale marches or violence against settlers. it is the opposite and it's been covered in the israeli (hebrew) press. larry defner 9/21

      Israel’s number one journalist, Nahum Barnea of Yediot Aharonot, wrote the following today about the immediate prospects for violence in the West Bank as a result of the UN showdown::

      “Surprising as it sounds, the IDF and Israel Police both figure that the greatest danger at the moment is not from the Palestinian side, but from the Jewish side. ‘Price tag’ operations by settler extremists are spreading. Eight mosques have been attacked in the last two weeks with no arrests of any culprits being made. The Shin Bet stands helpless in the face of these events. While the Palestinian leadership is calling for restraint, Jewish extremists are fanning the flames, which are liable to sweep thousands of Arabs up on both sides of the Green Line.

      “This is the danger – and the failure. It is keeping senior security officials awake at night.”

      shin bet stands helpless my ass. the idf are protecting these people.

    • Bill, the video of the idf closing the roads making them clear for the settler march was front paged here yesterday.

      i suggest watching it.

    • i burst out crying. i'm such a woos

  • Palestinian statehood and the struggle for self determination and national rights
    • When it comes to the economy, Netanyahu perfectly well understands that Israel has to adhere to international standards, but he has never understood that the human rights paradigm is the new global gold standard in international politics. As a result, Israel’s financial rating has gone up to A+, but its political rating is sinking towards the analogue of bonds issued by the Greek government.

      can't polish this turd about wraps it.

    • thanks simone. i have nothing to add except to comment we need a louder palestinian voice coming thru in our american discourse. it's so zionist centrist, i think that's going to be changing tho.

      The only way to protect and realize our rights is to insist that the Palestinian cause remains a national liberation struggle

      the most famous national liberation struggle known to mankind.

  • So much for secular Jewish identity
  • Clemons: Imagine Cuba trumping the Soviet Union in the 60s, that's what Netanyahu did to Obama
    • hi Shmuel, i respect you and always value your participation here whether we agree on everything or not. it wasn't my intention to initiate any kind of discussion where your integrity would be called into question or a slur made against you. (“Constantinianism” or whatever) i don't think of you that way at all.

      just wanted to make that clear.

    • yeah, their hasbara front liners are attack dogs. did you mean to write 'even CNN’s coverage recently is not entirely leaning toward the Israeli side.' ?

    • more tightrope:
      Obama ultimately didn't have the courage of his convictions.....wasn't able to deploy power ....lame, counter-productive, irrational comparison called his rhetoric 'lofty'.

    • Mearsheimer's credibility? i don't think it's shot to hell. he didn't have any credibility w/goldberg before this. do you think Mearsheimer has no credibility now?

    • maybe he thought "The Wandering Who?" was a good book.

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