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  • Israeli soldier shoots Palestinian taxi driver in head by mistake, then Israel seizes his car and entry permit
    • Marnie: "No one does subtle like the zionists – ‘operation wrath of God’.

      Must be because they trained with the Brits who came up with "Operation Gomorrah"

      Still defended, btw, in the paper you quote, as a worthwhile undertaking in a "good war"

      link to spectator.co.uk

  • Meet the Palestinian volunteers on the frontline of Europe's refugee crisis
    • "And why is no one the least bit surprised that Israel isn’t taking in any refugees? Disgusted, but not surprised. "

      How welcome are refugees in countries who illegally invaded Iraq and bear major responsibility for the refugee crisis?

      The US. GB. Australia. Poland.

      Disgusted, but not surprised.

  • Thank you, Chief Rabbi. Now I know: Judaism is to blame for the Nakba
    • I would agree that all Abrahamic religions (and plenty of others, too) are "bloodthirsty". It is therefore both pointless and misleading to posit some unbridgeable gulf between Judaism and Zionism, or even between Christianity/Islam and colonialism, imperialism, or fascism.

      It all depends on how one reads religious texts that are, in essence, completely contradictory, thus leading to the paradoxical view of any of these religions as religions of peace, and/or of war and genocide.

      From a recent article published in Haaretz on the topic:

      Calls for genocide. Instructions for how to manage sex slaves captured in battle. Death penalty for homosexuals. When you read these words, what comes to mind? ISIS?  Boko Haram? Al Shabaab?
      Keep thinking. Every year, Jews across the world gather weekly to read consecutive portions of the Torah, Judaism’s holiest text, which features the morally repugnant list above as well as many other offensive passages (genocide: Deuteronomy 20:16-17; sex slavery: Deuteronomy 21:10-13; death penalty for homosexuals: Leviticus 20:13). The completion of this annual reading cycle is celebrated on a holiday called Simhat Torah, which begins next week.
      Is there any justification for Jews continuing to celebrate the completion of a book that reads in part like an instruction manual on how to be a terrible person?
      The answer depends on how we approach the text. The Talmud states that the Torah can be a “deadly poison” or an “elixir of life” depending on the mindset of the person who studies it (Ta’anit 7a). For those who approach the Torah unquestioningly as a guidebook, these passages can, quite literally, be "deadly." One need not look further than the past few months: The ultra-Orthodox murderer at this year’s Gay Pride Parade in Jerusalem and the fundamentalist Jews who burned a Palestinian family alive are chilling examples of what happens when people blindly follow the words of a book that advocates homophobia and genocide.
      There is, however, another way to read the Torah -- one that turns it into an “elixir of life.” Under this approach, the Torah is not an instruction manual. Instead, it is a mirror that forces us to grapple with all of the beautiful, complicated and ugly parts of our humanity.
      In addition to genocide, sex slavery and homophobia, the Torah contains deeply moral messages about pursuing justice (Deuteronomy 16:20), giving charity generously (Deuteronomy 15:7-8), and caring for the most vulnerable in society, like the stranger, the orphan and the widow (Exodus 22:20-22). By revisiting these drastically contrasting passages within the same holy book every year, we are forced to continually ask ourselves what our position is on these issues, to answer the very first question in the Torah: Where are you? (Genesis 3:9).

      read more: link to haaretz.com

  • Human Rights group: Gaza power crisis has led to death of 29 Palestinians, mostly children, since 2010
    • Are you serious? Your response is more of the usual nonsense, and you obviously don't understand that a society (Israel) whose view of itself and the rest of the world is based on a specific memory of the Holocaust can not be expected to react rationally, or even humanely, to any threat, be it real or imagined.

      link to researchgate.net

    • "The Holocaust was one of the terrible events in history, but it was over 70 years ago....The Palestinians have been suffering for over 60 years "

      This is an opinion many people share, and find rational. But it is incompatible with the Holocaust as a religion, rather than a historical fact.

      I first realized that the Holocaust was not merely a historical event/fact but also a religion when I read the following definition on the Auschwitz Memorial website, on the issue of various forms of Holocaust denial:

      "In essence, this [the Holocaust] was not only the most tragic of human experiences, but also the most significant—not only in terms of the past, but also of the present and the future. "

      link to auschwitz.org

      According to this definition, it simply does not matter whether the Palestinians suffer for 60 years, 6000 years, or 6 million years. Their suffering will by definition remain insignificant compared to the Holocaust.

      Questioning this constitutes Holocaust denial and an affront to Jewish victims and their descendants.

      Obviously, this is irrational. The argument also follows quite closely the traditional Christian/Catholic view of the suffering of Christ as the greatest suffering in all history - past, present, and future. No human suffering could match, even dare to compare itself to Christ's suffering. This would constitute a major blasphemy and heresy (or, in this case, Holocaust denial)

      It is perhaps unsurprising to find such views expressed on a Polish website: the comparison of Poland/Poles with the suffering of Christ is a regular blasphemy in Polish political culture since the 19th century.

      Either view is an insult to human reason and universal values

  • Anti-Semitism is considered a serious moral failing. But no one calls out anti-Palestinian bigotry
    • MHughes, re: the "nasty things" - the British obsession with the Germans is interesting, I think, given the fact that extreme anti-German sentiment predates both WW II and I. But since I am travelling around Europe right now, I have to get back to you on this rather complicated issue.

      As for assigning the German Nakba to the memory hole: I am not sure this is even the case. Granted, many people have no knowledge of it but it has never been a secret either. Worse, I think, than denial, is toleration, if not outright support for what in either case/Nakba must be considered a major crime against humanity.

    • "nobody cares about anti-Palestinian bigotry."

      "No other human rights movement I can think of is automatically accused of being racist."

      I can think of at least one, but nobody cares about anti-German bigotry either.

      Here is a typical take on the issue, from a pro-Israel perspective. And lets remember that the Palestinian/German (Sudeten German) comparison goes way back to the 1930s, popularized by none other than Hitler. Which helps neither the Germans nor the Palestinians

      link to jcpa.org

  • Another interview on Israeli TV
    • @ Stepehn Shenfield:

      Here is what I found on Wikipedia:

      "Metapedia is an electronic encyclopedia which states that it focuses on European culture, art, science, philosophy and politics. It contains far-right, white nationalist, white supremacist, white separatist, antisemitic, and neo-Nazi[2] points of view.[3][4][5] It was officially launched on 26 October 2006 with the Swedish-language edition.[6][7] The English section was launched on 28 April 2007.[6][8] The Hungarian version has the most articles: 144,189 as of 27 September 2013."

      That the Hungarians are particularly prolific on this site can hardly surprise anyone familiar with the European right-wing, xenophobic scene. And yes, anti-EU, anti-immigration, "Poland for the Poles", Ukip, FN and the German AfD are definitely on the rise since the financial crisis brought down Greece, and the recent wave of refugees from the ME, Syria, and Africa followed in its wake.

      It's not the whole story , though. Certainly not in Germany.

  • 'NYT' exposes Clinton as most hawkish candidate when it's too late for readers to choose
    • "I’m glad we’re hearing more of you again, Antidote."

      Love you, too, Martin, seriously, without sarcasm, always. Not that I always agree with you but I respect and appreciate your contributions. They frequently go much deeper than what I can counter in a brief, straightforward reply, and that's the only reason why you don't always get a reply from me. Remember that.

      Regarding your reply to the ongoing FBI investigation as a sham, I am not sure what you mean. . Consider the past role of the FBI as a kingmaker.

      Anyway, I have some 30 people coming for dinner in half an hour, and just burned the gravy.

    • citizen,

      fine, re msm, nothing new here. But why on earth is there no recognition of the problem among Clinton supporters throughout the primary process, or some kind of mass protest against this absurdity? Not even the Sanders campaign has made an issue of it, despite the ability to rouse a mass movement.

      I guess she can pardon herself, if indicted, once she is elected. Or Obama could pardon her during his lame duck period. No less absurd.

    • True enough. Even worse: The FBI just announced it is in no hurry to finish its investigation of Clinton, which may well go on beyond the DNC date.

      WTF does that mean?

      Would it not be of the utmost urgency to know once and for all whether a presidential frontrunner is actually a legitimate candidate, rather than a possible felon about to go to jail?

      Is she just a tool to run Sanders into the ground up to and/or beyond the DNC, then indict her, and give the Dems full liberty to run whoever they want as candidate in November?

      Or, let's say HRC is indicted AFTER she is elected POTUS in November. Will her VP then be president? What if Bernie is her running mate? Will it be the speaker of the house? Or will Congress decide on the next POTUS? Will Netanyahu give another big speech to Congress before they vote on Obama's successor? Or will the FBI indict as soon as President HRC does sth they or whoever does not like?

      This is insane.

      I don't understand why there is not enormous pressure on the FBI to publish the results of their investigation asap

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