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  • Olympian at the checkpoint: why a Palestinian swimmer couldn't train in Jerusalem
    • I'm not sure that my response will be published, I guess that my logic began to overwhelm the monderators.

      However, that doesn't mean that you guys, the frequenters of Mondoweiss aren't pathologically obsesses with Israel. I from my side can't fault even a Muslim terrorist who murders a 2 year old girl in her sleep for trying to defend himself when Zahal comes to pluck him from his hideout. I can understand him, even if I wish he'd never see the light of day.

      But you here, try to bring logical arguments why I shud roll over and die, why I shud not care about surviving just because in your opinion I took over a piece of Dar el Islam? Your obsession blinds you to basic logic.

    • Marnie, your views are warped.

      "What have I got to fear"? Let me tell you what have I got to fear:

      - a crowd of Muslims shrieking "Itbakh el-Yahood", in the 'time-honoured' 1929, 1936, etc fashion;
      - a Muslim with a knife plunging cowardly from the back into my neck;
      - a Muslim yelling "Allah hu akbar" and pulling the string of a nail-filled bomb in a Sbarro restaurant, full of mothers and children
      - a Muslim nuclear bomb in the hands of the Mullahs that sent the young sons (of others) to clear minefields with their feet and who believe in the apocalyptic war to reveal the Mahdi and who, foam around their mouth chant "death to America, death to Israel" and who said not once that Israel "shud be wiped from the face of the earth".

      That's what I fear. You may not like me, but if you are a sane and fair person, you must accept that at the least, I think and behave rationally, in the modern (one wud say "Western") meaning of this word.

    • and all these checkpoints and permits are with no justification?

      How about dozens of attacks on Jewish civilians? Violent resistance may be justified, but you can't be genuine to claim that military response within the laws of war to any resistance isn't justified - this simply can't be genuine.

    • why should Israel let a non-citizen without a permit? I wonder if an Israeli Jew will get a permit to visit say, Nablus? "Nobody seems to be bothered" about it either, isn't it?

    • "similar treatment under German Occupation"?! Self-hatred blinds.

    • Well, no doubt, this is an embarrassing loss for the anti-Israel crowd. You win some, you lose some. You are obsessed with finishing us, we are obsessed with surviving.

    • OMG, the bloodthirsty regime allowed a whole delegation of the oppressed ones to travel to the Olympics, to represent the non-existent State of Palestine?

      There are swimming pools in the water-starved oppressed occupation riven areas (though not 50 meters!!!)

      What is the wolrd coming to??!! Very soon, someone will stand up and say: hey, these people aren't oppressed anywhere near the people of Syria, Libya, Iraq, Lebanon, why have we been paying so much attention (and money) here?

  • Forty Brazilian diplomats issue statement against Dani Dayan appointment
    • @Shingo: "thought you Zios argued the Palestinians were being inhumane and unreasonable for welcoming hordes of Jewish immigrants and refugees from Europe into Palestine" By "welcoming", you mean the 1929 Hebron massacres? 1936 pogroms? Countless other attacks and lust for Jewish blood? This is "welcoming" for you?

    • So, you all believe that Israel will collapse without "propping" by gentiles? How long do you give us, with and without "propping"?

    • "And yet the same country would barely last a day without Gentiles propping them up."

      I wouldn't bet on this. Who exactly is "propping" us up? Anti-JudeoChristian civilisation Marxsist in the White House? The neo-commies in Brussels that care more about a conservatory-extension in Gilo then the cultural suicide by Merkel by inviting hordes of Muslim invaders? Is it the new Muslim lover in Ottawa?

      Who exactly is propping the Jews?

  • Israel charges two Jewish extremist youths in Duma killings
    • Why "ugly"?! Have you ever visited Israel?

      But beware, look at Allison, she's "gone native" since she began reporting from the belly of the beast!

    • Doesn't it give you a cognitive dissonance? the blood-thirsty, all-darkness and unfair Zio-regime indicts the blackest of them-all - the "settlers" in a hate crime, tortures them, etc. and all for what?! For murdering Arabs! What is the world coming to?!

  • 'Jewish cow' is udderly superior to all other cows in the world, Netanyahu says
    • And what exactly has He whose name can't be Said said that was wrong or duplicitous? You must have something worse to pin on the Jews today, c'mon.

  • A response to the 'Washington Post' blogger who calls me an anti-Semite
    • @Mooser, (pls note that I don't try to mock your alias), have you read Bernstein's article? Where exactly, Bernstein says anything other than a level headed analysis? You may feel the hatred of Israel and any successful Judeo-Christian civilization burning in your guts but it does seem to blind you (intellectually, that is), same as it does to Mr Weiss.

    • Mr Weiss,

      reading your "response" to David Bernstein, I couldn't get the expression "he reached the bottom and kept on digging" out of my head.

      Hatred does blind, and frankly, stupefies you Mr Weiss.

  • Adelson primary kicks off tonight with brags about 'mega-Jewish donors' role in 2016
  • Just like the Nazis, Iran 'plans to exterminate six million Jews' -- Netanyahu
    • It is a challenge to be challenged by so many commenters who live to see the demise of Israel. (que: new attack line!) But even Annie and others use the a straw man technique. My original comment was responding to talknic about the fact that there isnt much "article" here. The fact that Israelis shout "death to Arabs" on the streets of Israel, doesnt disprove my original comment and I cant see any comment here, out of so many, that does - except building straw-men and shooting them.

    • Walid, Shingo

      So the Iranians "don't mean it" when they chant "death to Israel, death to Amrica"?

      You are either deluded or blinded by your hatred of Judeo-Christian civilization.

    • @Shingo, @Walid, please don't sidestep. Do you deny that Iran, from the lowest levels and up to the absolute top repeats ad nauseum "Death to Israel, death to America"?

      Or is it you claim that they just don't mean it?

      What do you deny?

    • @Walid,

      when people that sent their children to clear mine-fields with a book in their pocket say that they want to murder me and my family, I believe them. What do you do sir?

    • Giles - so "Death the America - Death to Israel" are invented? Never said by vast masses in Iran?

    • "The article was written for people to read. Try it"

      What's there "to read"? I made the effort to compare Bibi's speach quotes and the "article". 83% Bibi and 17% "Wow look what bibi says "[more quotes from Bibi]"".

      Oh yes, and there is something that the writer "doesnt understand" - "I don’t understand why this type of rhetoric doesn’t make huge headlines" and allusion to another article that equates Israel with Fascism.

      Did we miss anything, Talknic?

  • Bipartisanship is dead, as Netanyahu, AIPAC, and GOP square off against Obama over Iran
    • Lysias, thanks for the precise description of what is often (and intentionally misleading) called "1967 borders" - the correct term is indeed "armistice line" and there should not be any other meaning. And Gaza isn't occupied by Israel since 2005.

    • Dear Chic, your point does not undermine my point in any way. Whether Israel does or doesn't have nukes, I still choose "bipartisanship" over death. Wouldn't you?

    • "Bipartisanship is dead". Between "death of bipartisanship" and nuclear attack on my family, I choose the death of bipartisanship. What wud you choose, sir?

  • Palestinian minister dies after Israeli army assault during olive tree planting ceremony in West Bank village
    • @Amigo, one last question. Given your comment about allowing us to live inside "self-declared 1948 borders", do you therefore agree that if "we" retreat to the 1948 lines, you, Amigo, will hold any further claims of Arabs (especially, the so called "right of return") cancelled and conflict end?

      Yes or no please.

    • @Talknic - "Palestinians are building in Palestinian territory. The illegal Israeli settlements are not in Israeli territory." So, you are, by implication agree that if Israel withdraws to 1948 Armistice Lines, the conflict will be over and Arabs will have no more demands (including the so called "right of return") to Israel. If yes, then it is indeed a reasonable position which is unbecoming someone who types rude such as the comment that I am replying-to. If you don't agree, then your position is disingenuous, isn't it?

      @Amigo: who exactly are my (or our) "illegal squatter thieves", where is "wherever you came from" and what if we don't want to go there?

    • @Amigo, yours is no doubt the most hilarious post on Mondoweiss! Ever!

    • And with the dozens of cameras present, none has captured the moment of the "strike"?

    • @Annie,

      we have a clear shot with the position of the parties (Abu Ein, the policemen) and hardware (the Jeep).

      You claim that Israelis attacked Abu Ein, because for you Israel is always guilty, and to prove your position you deduce that the policemen "approached" Abu Ein (otherwise, the narrative that Abu Ein was "murdered" while peacefully minding his protest doesn't hold.

      On the other side, I don't need to prove that Israel is always right (I can admit that it sometimes is wrong) and looking at the photo I deduce that it is not possible that the policemen "approached" Abu Ein unless the Jeep travelled sideways and that it is Abu Ein and the photo depicts a scene where the policemen are trying to block Abu Ein's advance and then Abu Ein and other protesters that are pushing the policemen towards the Jeep, trying to get their intended planting site.

      One of us is "conceptually challenged" and has their logic blocked by ideology.

    • @talknic - the scene is clear, Abu Ein and other protesters attempted to go somewhere (they admitted it themselves, the aim of the protest was to plant trees as close as possible to a Jewish settlement). On their way, the protesters came-up to a police Jeep that was positioned there to prevent their passage. Whatever one believes about the legality of Jewish presence, etc, the version promoted by locals (ie Mondoweiss commenters) of an assault by Jews on Abu Ein cant be right, at least judging from THIS photo. The version promoted here is that the Jewish policemen "approached" Abu Ein. In order to "approach" Abu Ein with a Jeep behind them as it is in the photo, the Jeep must have travelled sideways. Can you explain it otherwise, Talknic?

    • "Israel continues to build in the settlements, which is perhaps the most unilateral move imaginable.”

      Palestinians build settlements too, both in Judea and Samaria and within the 1948 Armistice lines, is it not "unilateral"?

      But this isn't relevant at all, both ways, after all, there is a signed agreement - the so called "Oslo" agreement, signed by both sides - there is no preclusion in this agreement from Israel building "settlements" and from the Arabs building "settlements". Why is it a problem rather tan an excuse by the Arab side, after it received everything from Oslo agreements and isn't ready to negotiate the end of the conflict?

    • Annie, indeed, some people are conceptually challenged. For someone challenged like me, pls can you provide a plausible scenario on how did the "occupation forces" made their way to the position in the photo after "transporting themselves in the vehicle and getting out of the vehicle to block the path of the marchers"? Conceptually challenged as I am, due to the fact that there is less than a meter of space between the Jeep and Abu Ein, I can only see the soldiers "approaching" Abu Ein in a crab-like fashion. Or perhaps, they jumped from the Jeeps' roof? Which is it, Annie. Please explain. We have to be precise with these things for the "conceptually challenged", you know.

    • "Israel,s infamous kangaroo courts". Amigo, have you read the case documents in which Abu Ein was convicted or you are just talking out of pathos? Have you read ANY court verdicts from Israel on relevant cases? If yes, surely, it will be easy for you to give a supported example of the courts' "kangaroo-ness"! Pls, indulge us, Amigo.

    • "soldiers approached Abu Ein and a group of Palestinians. At that point a soldier struck Abu Ein in the chest with the back end of his weapon, according to statements Yesh Din"

      On the main photo the Israeli police Jeep is clearly immediately behind the policemen, their backs are pushed to the vehicle. So unless the policemen were "approaching" Abu Ein and the Palestinians walking in reverse, I cant see how the statement above makes sense.

    • "Mor...did not see Abu Ein until he was lying on the ground. “What I saw is him collapsing.”

      The above is impossible. If she did not see him until he was lying on the ground, how did she see him "collapsing"?

  • Israeli bus driver runs over two Palestinians at Jenin checkpoint, killing one
  • For CNN and NYT, Jewish lives matter more than Palestinian ones
    • Since CNN must be unbiased, I can imagine a CNN headline after Baruch Goldman massacre: "Jewish man lynched by Arab mob after alleged 'shooting' in a mosque"!

  • Achieving a hudna and ten years of calm in Israel/Palestine
  • 'Lesson: The Jews will defend themselves even if it means killing children'
    • @Hostage, if indeed you have combat experience, and you believe that Israel is targeting civilians or is reckless, then you have to explain how thee are so few civilian casualties per strike. I don't think that one (especially on this site) can say that Israel didn't make thousands of strikes wit high-explosive projectiles. As an airforce person, can you explain how it is that only about a thousand civilians have died in Gaza? What was the proportion in Falujja? In Syria?

      And again, as a military man that you claim to be, can you determine what were the factors of an Israeli commander under fire in a dense urban environment and deduct that there was a war crime? Or you only speculate out of hatred to anything Israeli?

    • @Mooser - are you trying to imply that my posts will be blocked on this site? Is it because they undermine your narrative, and they do it in a level-headed, logical way, just like Yaacov Lozovic's response?

    • @Shingo, my point is whether Hostage is a military expert so that he can back his allegation of using 120mm mortar. What is your point in trying to insult me?

    • Hostage, regarding your argument on 120mm mortars - how many years have you served in infantry? Oh, I forgot, you were a hostage!

    • eljay, do you have any better arguments than "Zio-spremacist" etc?

    • Bet you have many of those on Youtube!

  • The experts’ verdict: Every Israeli missile strike is a war crime
    • "“By this standard, only rich countries, or countries rich enough to purchase high-tech weapons, have a right to defend themselves against high-tech aerial assaults. It is a curious law that would negate the raison d’être of law: the substitution of might by right.”

      How does shooting a 20kg of high explosive aimed specifically at an Israeli city "defends against high-tech aerial assaults"? Perhaps they are trying to intimidate Israeli civilians? "The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals" - definition of terrorism!

  • Israeli strike kills four Palestinian children playing soccer on Gaza beach
    • BBC Newsnight anchor was interviewing the Israeli Ambassador to the UK and didn't miss the opportunity to mention the killing of the boys that "were shooting pigeons" (or something like this, she definitely didn't say that they were "playing football".

      But it doesn't matter, Lysias your point about "plenty of time for someone on board the gunboat to determine..." first, are you sure it was a boat and not an aircraft? What experience in military hardware do you have and what access to Israeli military personnel to determine that it was possible or easy?

      Lysias, you imply that Israel targets children deliberately, but even Judge Goldstone conceded that this isn't true.

    • Well, they were clearly NOT "playing soccer" while they were hit, they were running away from the previous strike. The event is tragic and Israeli officials acknowledged this, but Mondoweiss is trying to "milk" the sad incident.

  • Hamas has agreed to a ceasefire, says senior Palestinian official (Updated)
    • So you all agree that the man bringing food to Israeli soldiers was a legitimate target, even if he is a civilian. So wouldn't you agree that the by launching rockets specifically aimed at Israeli civilians in "sleepy town" are war crimes?

  • 'American Jewish voices are most critical in the world' (to end idea that Jewish lives matter more)
    • Indeed, many American Jews have been blinded by suicidal guilt-of-success syndrome: we the Jews are successful, and therefore, we are doing wrong to those less successful than us. Since we, the American Jews are not going to leave the crock of meat and donate all of our mansions and Lexuses to the staring masses, we can redeem ourselves by being critical of our successful brethren in Israel! Presto!

  • Israel's message to the Palestinians: Submit, leave or die
    • Please can anyone define and explain the following terms used in the article above:

      "Collective torture"?
      "historic Palestine"?

  • Three of six accused Israeli murderers said to confess
  • Israeli army spokesperson responds to Mondo criticism
    • eljay - so the "Zio-supremacism" is THE problem of the Middle East?

    • @DaBakr - indeed, he can call it whatever he likes, but at least, "he" should be sincere, or is sincerity takes back seat to the main cause in this case?

    • To all the responses to my comment, do you agree or disagree? How many "ideas of the Middle East" other than those related to the wished-for demise of Israel as we all know it are being entertained by Mondoweiss?

      Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon are all in the Middle East and all have some kind of "war of ideas" going-on. But Mondoweiss covers only those "ideas" that relate to Israel. I therefore think that Mondoweiss should correct its moto.

      If you disagree with me, please show me examples when Mondoweiss covers these other "wars of ideas".

    • There is something Mondoweiss definitely NOT doing "right".

      It's slogan is "The War of Ideas in the Middle East", is patently incorrect and should be "The Was on Israel in the Middle East". Wouldn't you agree?

  • Video: 'CBS This Morning' runs hard hitting spot on boycott of Israel
    • We don't need no education (from an anti-Semitic symbol-flying performer),
      We don't need no thought-control (from a closed-mind obsessive one-issue campaigner)
      No dark sarcasm of half-truths, lies and innuendoes
      Roger leave our (the only free in thee Middle East) state alone.
      Hey Roger, leave Israel alone,
      All and all you're justa, misguided and obsessive fool.
      All and all you're justa, misguided and obsessive fool.

  • Interview with Haidar Eid: Resisting 66 years of Israeli Apartheid
  • Palestinian journalists accused of incitement against their Israeli colleagues
  • Israel's unending settlements 'mortally wound idea of a Jewish state' -- Indyk
    • If "settlements ‘mortally wound idea of a Jewish state’", then whoever supports Israel as a Jewish state should resist and oppose "settlements".

      Wait, so, whoever opposes Israel as a Jewish state "settlements"?

  • Palestinian youth say the talks with Israel are futile
    • If the ICC is objective, then Israel has nothing to worry - its statutes are clear that ICC will only intervene when the relevant party doesn't have the ability or doesn't want to prosecute crimes by its own judiciary. Since Israel's judicial system is well respected (eg British supreme court, or whatever they call it now has acknowledged it), then unless the ICC is a sham like the UNHRC (controlled by human rights luminaries such as Saudi, Syria and Lybia) then Israel will not be prosecuted. What do you think, Hostage?

    • @Woody, who is a hypocrite? Someone who from a position of force (1993) gives control of territory, arms militias of an organisation whose charter calls for the giver's destruction, pays moneys and signs an agreement to resolve everything by mutual understanding (these are facts about Israel), or someone who takes all the above in exchange of breaking the signed agreements and whining that "talks are futile"?

      May I suggest then a mental exercise? You, Israel's harsh critics (this is of course an understatement, you wud slit our throats (or cheer those who wud do it, vast majority of you re liberal sissies) at the first opportunity) fervently criticize Israel's conniving unfairness and breaking of promises. Therefore, logically, you shud agree to reverse those "futile" talks, i.e., what happened until today and neutralize Oslo agreements, after all, Israel got everything and the poor Palestinians - nothing ("futile").

      So you agree then that it is better to send PLO back to Tunis, give-up Palestinian own governance in Areas B and C (vast majority of the disputed territories of Judea and Samaria) to military rule of Israel? If you answer is "No", then how does it settle with the mantra of "Palestinians have got nothing ("futile") out of this process"? I await your logic.

    • Is the indignant, modern-looking lady on the main photo pro- or anti-peace? Let's look at the picture on her T-Shirt!

  • In Ramallah, Palestinian Authority cracks down on Salafi anti-negotiation protests
    • "crackdown" on Palestinians by "riot police and undercover security services" conducting "mass arrests", etc. etc. It's obviously Zionists' fault, but how, how?

  • Scarlett Johansson is featured at AIPAC, to applause
    • A seemingly normal Hollywood starlet, blonde - so most likely an airhead, even Jewish - so most likely liberal. And with all that, she has her own opinions, the chutzpah! The nerve not to tow the Tinseltown line!

      Whatever the world is coming to?!

  • Israel lobby group compiles secret dossiers on pro-Palestinian speakers
    • Despite the incessant attempts to murder us and our children, we are indeed "Shiny happy people" - we create value for the world, Intel, irrigation, Waze, help to Haiti, we allow different people (including Arabs) to live their lives without fear - and indeed, according to several survey, Israelis are among the most content people in the world.

      On the other side, the people who this website and most commenters support, the people who do not accept us, who want to uproot us at the least, and people who wud not at all balk at slaughtering us (after all, majority of Arabs do not object to suicide bombing of ISraeli civilians) - these people are backward, poor, their societies are misogynist, condone "honour killings", persecute homosexuals, practice widely female genital mutilation, have no tolerance to other religions, condone violence against civilians.

      You guys back the wrong side.

  • By 2035, Jewish population in Israel/Palestine is projected at 46 percent
    • @Sumud, allow me to Fisk your comment:

      “Tedious asherpat...In the final analysis it is academic.” – For you it is “academic” – for me, it is life and death of my loved ones, even if you don’t agree with my right to this land.
      “All of the following Israeli behaviour will continue to be illegal and immoral, and will continue to outrage decent people around the world:
      - acquisition of territory by war [AP: this is by no means automatically “illegal” nor it is “immoral” – for example, the acquisition of territory by Israel isn't in itself illegal – you can't argue this, you may argue that holding it is illegal, but this is another issue]
      - ethnic cleansing [AP: how can you make this claim in straight face, LOL! How can you claim “ethnic cleansing” when the article itself claims that the Arab population is rising?!!? This must be the most inept and incompetent “ethnic cleansing” ever!]
      - apartheid [AP: this smear is wearing tired, you all know it – and it even isn't logically supported – apartheid is about race, since Arabs are of the same race as Jews, the definition doesn’t hold. You may claim discrimination on basis of citizenship (justified due to real security concerns) but not apartheid – but you chose propaganda attempts over serious debate.]
      - transfer of population into occupied territory [AP: this is a non-sequitur, because you are trying to insinuate Geneva convention but the territories are not occupied from a qualifying side, and so, don’t fall under this definition.]
      - stealing natural and other resources from occupied territory. [AP: DITTO, and you conveniently forget that whatever water Israel takes is in accordance with an agreement with the P.A.

      “And nothing is ever going to transform a bible into a property deed.” [AP: There is no need for that, the UN (or the League of Nations) have reconfirmed the ownership of Jewish nation over the biblical land of Israel.]

      Happy unfisking!

    • @Talkback - "since mandate times it belonged to the citizens of Palestine". Since you mention, the "mandate" - actually, the "Mandate" mandated that the land is used for Jewish homeland. San Remo, all subsequent decisions and facts on the ground were to make the "Mandate" land for Jewish people. In fact, the existence of "Palestinian" people as a nation is, as any reasonable observer agree, highly debatable BEFORE 1960s, the evidence is scant (I mean the evidence that Arabs residing in the Mandate viewed themselves as a separate nation) and in many places there are documented quotations that they saw themselves as a part of Syria (for example (a late one) link to

      And finally, EVEN if one agrees to follow your desperate logic that Jews and Arabs in the Mandate were indeed some concoction-nation called "Palestinians" (so Jews in Israel are also "Palestinians" now?, only descendents of those who were here in 1919? 1850?) - you still don't disprove my original claim that "one thing Palestine never was – “Palestinian”. - because it was under the Mandate, so neither Jewish nor Arab and not "Palestinian". I am waiting for your logical disproval, devoid of straw-man arguments please.

    • @Talkback - "Palestine was never British". Well said. So whose has it ever been?

      We can go back in history for approximately 3000 years and one thing Palestine never was - "Palestinian".

  • Thomas Friedman occupies BDS
    • Friedman is obsessed with Israel, is reflexively anti-Zionist and anti-Israel even if he thinks otherwise, because underneath it all, he is a misguided buffoon that made ridiculous judgement errors many times.

  • 'Haaretz' analyst says surging BDS movement may be contributing to falling shekel
    • 0.7% falling shekel, gewald, oy vey, this is the end of Zionism!

      Now seriously - Ha'aretz (Proudly the only Arab daily published in Hebrew) is practicing what is called "wishful analysis" - meaning - they wish for an outcome (in this case, long term - end of Israel as a Zionist enterprise, short term - bullying Netanyahu to accept a non-peace agreement to hasten the long term goal) and they try to find support in data whether there is causality or it is just coincidence.

      For example, Apple analysts that are usually not more than Apple fanboys tend to conclude that every market development is "good for Apple" for this or that reason, however feeble. So is Haaretz. Remember its Rihanna "All I see is Palestine/DollarSigns" fiasco? Haaretz correspondent WANTED to hear that Rihanna sang "Palestine" instead of the song lyrics "Dollar Signs" and didn't bother to ask Rihanna herself.

      But lets look at the numbers of Shekel v Dollar. You can see it here on Bloomberg - link to

      With such a "decline", who needs a rise, I say!

  • Vote at the Guardian: Should Oxfam sever ties with Scarlett Johansson?
  • Palestine, 1927
    • @Hostage,

      "The Arab agricultural sector was the main source of revenue at that time." - care to show proof to this claim?

  • Leonard Bernstein cared more about Israel than sex
    • @Annie, if a couple wants that their marriage to be recognised by the Rabbinical establishment, then they have to abide by the establishment rules and indeed, there are stupid rules, such as preference of men in case of attempted divorce. But in theory and more important, in practice, there is no legal requirement for the woman to live with a man if she doesn't want to. If she is stupid enough to be so religious that she obeys the rabbys, then it's her CHOICE, never a legal obligation enforcible by law.

    • @Annie,

      Wikipedia is wrong in such case. what it shud have said is that the [Rabbinic] courts' jurisdiction is over matters of religious orthodox nature, ie if a couple wants to be registered as married in accordance with the Jewish orthodox tradition, then the Rabbinic courts have jurisdiction over it. If someone insists on being buried in a Jewish cemetery, Rabbinic courts will decide who is eligible and how. But if you insist on living together or a have civil marriage, then Rabbinic courts have no say in any way and they cant impose anything. Only if you accept them.

    • @thankgod - I think that you forgot to mention something from the linked article that "Rabbinic courts ...decisions are binding for families that agree to take part in them, though...There is no law requiring circumcision in Israel"

      I wonder why you forgot to mention this.

  • Israel is a 'corpse' -- Hedges on Blumenthal's 'Goliath'
    • EUR1069, thank you for believing in us for at least 120 years in total!

    • If Israel is such a "corpse", why does an OpEd in a popular Egyptian paper openly writes:

      "...Tel Aviv is celebrating with technical pioneers all around the world and the opportunity will be made ​​available for the winners of a competition of the founders of start-up companies from around the world to meet with companies and technology experts and founders of start-up companies, designers, artists, scientists, investors and promoters of culture from Israel and abroad...innovators from Britain, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, France, Italy, Spain, Ireland, Latvia, India, China, Korea, Mexico and Colombia will be guests in Israel to gain experience of the [start-up] eco-system in Tel Aviv

      ...while the Arabs are mired in the cycle of violence and infighting...the winners of this year's Nobel Prize in chemistry are all Jews and two of them are of Israeli origin, and in physics the Belgian winner was also Jewish! Meaning that four out of five chemistry and physics Nobel winners are Jews, who Muslim clerics every Friday call descendants of apes and pigs!

      [Jews] chose progress and we chose underdevelopment, they chose creativity in chemistry equations and theories of physics, we chose creativity in the fatwas of "jihad marriage."

      See for yourself (though need to translate): link to

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