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Atlantaiconoclast

Healer, frustrated academic, libertarian and non-interventionist

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  • British Parliamentarians pay homage to Dick Cheney during debate over ISIS
    • That is the default order, so yes. And didn't people die in the Pentagon? It could have been hundreds killed in the Pentagon had the plane hit in a different area of the bldg. So, yes, the stand down order is puzzling.

      And so what about the fourth plane. The one that was headed toward the Pentagon is the one I am referring to.

      And be assured that Cheney has never acknowledged his stand down order, his deliberate choice to NOT allow the default order to take place.

    • They never cared about human rights in Syria, otherwise, they would have pushed for violent regime change in Saudi Arabia, and yes, Israel and the occupied territories. I never take neocons or neoliberals serious.

    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlM8Sui6-X0 I want Cheney and his defenders to explain his stand down order on 9/11. http://dotheordersstillstand.blogspot.com/ "During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "The plane is 50 miles out." "The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, "Do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"

  • Video: Israeli sniper praised for shooting Palestinian protestors
    • Has this made it to mainstream media yet? Why do I expect it won't happen? And even if it does, Zionists and neocon media will just say its Pallywood. Americans by and large don't really care about what Israel does to Palestinians. I wish it wasn't so. They would care if they knew what Israel has done to them over the years.

  • 'Netanyahu at War' on PBS was dreadful but not without interest
    • Does anyone see the irony of Israelis complaining about the vulnerability of the 67 borders, given that Zionists knew from the beginning that Palestine was not a big piece of land. So why in the world would they have thought it wise to create a Jewish state there? Only supremacism among Zionists can explain this irony. Yeah, its a small piece of land, and there are two peoples there, but we need all of it otherwise, we can't have a Jewish state. Well duh!

  • Why are American pro-Palestinian voices silent about the brutal war on Yemen?
    • How is Assad committing genocide? Show us proof he gassed his people. Did he ever slaughter Sunnis in Syria before Sunnis started violently resisting? Many people argue that Assad only used brutal force when the initial protests turn violent. I wasn't there, so I don't know for sure, but I don't trust our media to tell us what really happened. And you can bet the CIA and Mossad were involved in whipping up opposition to Assad.

      Stop regurgitating mainstream media talking points. Unless you are willing to say that Lincoln too committed genocide against Southern civilians, and mercilessly destroyed Southern infrastructure, or that Obama is a murderer for his cowardly drone strikes, then you are inconsistent. If anyone dared to violently overthrow any American regime, the president would not hesitate to bomb the hell out of the the rebels and any civilians that happened to be in the way. We already cause collateral deaths and make excuses for Israel when it does it. But somehow, Assad is a genocidal maniac with you guys. We don't support Assad, nor should we. But Syria is none of our business. If we supported him with aid, then we might have some right to interfere. Israel DOES have our support, so it is our business what is done with our money.

    • I am not silent about it. The Saudi regime disgusts me. We should have stopped all aid to SA long ago. And I don't get this obsession with Assad. What proof do you have that he has committed horrific crimes? No one ever proved that he gassed his own people, let alone while UN inspectors were in the area. If any group of rebels dared to overthrow Obama, he would bomb them to hell and back, taking a number of civilians with him. Somehow, Obama does not commit horrific crimes when he orders drone strikes that kill innocents?

      The same people who excuse Israel's killing of civilians as unfortunate collateral damage, suddenly have a problem with the same phenomenon when its Assad's forces doing the collateral killing. Abraham Lincoln's forces killed thousands of innocent civilians in the South during his war on the South. Syria is not complicated. We have been backing Islamic extremists AND ISIS (per the 2012 DIA Report) to counter the secular and Christian protecting Assad. Syria is none of our business. Not saying we should support Assad, but we certainly shouldn't support his violent, Islamist enemies, not to mention his Zionist enemy.

  • The candidates debate the U.S./Israeli relationship
    • Atlantaiconoclast January 6, 2016 at 9:55 am

      I loathe Obama but have never understood this right wing meme. It is so stupid. Who cares if Obama actually hates Israel. You wouldn't know it from his policies, which, save for the Iran deal, are always in apartheid Israel's favor.

    • Atlantaiconoclast January 6, 2016 at 9:53 am

      Why does Bernie think the Palestinians have no right to resist illegal occupation and Jews only colonization?

  • Trump calls out Clinton for her support for Israel's separation wall
    • Atlantaiconoclast January 2, 2016 at 2:30 pm

      Yep. This is why I believe it is a mistake to put hopes into exposing Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. Americans will not care in critical numbers about our policy toward Israel till they learn the extent of the damage Israel has done to the US. But this will require tolerance among the truth tellers for cries of "anti Semite!" thrown at them.

    • It is not anti Black or racist to oppose affirmative action. And I don't get why so many here think Trump is not going to win. No other candidate is generating the kind of enthusiasm and massive crowds we are seeing at his rallies. He is already neck and neck with Hillary in the polls, and given the tendency of people to not tell the truth about their support for a controversial candidate, Trump will likely do better than the polls suggest. He truly is building a movement. Just watch his rallies. I challenge anyone to look at his support with objective eyes. And I am not a Trump supporter. I am a Ron Paul man, and still mourn that America chose to reject such a wise and gentle prophet.

      But I concur that Trump's greatest sin is calling out liberals for their hypocrisy in regards to their positions on civil rights in the US vs. in Israel.

    • Exactly. Trump is no more a clown than Obama or any of the other pathetic excuses for statesman out there. I have a strong feeling that most progressives are seriously underestimating his appeal. I think he is going to win, and win big, and am already wondering how to deal with the most unsavory aspects of his policies. He is very pro Israel, but at least opposes wars that the Israel Lobby has supported. And maybe, just maybe, a President Trump will not be beholden to powerful Jewish people and thus chart a new course for the US in the ME.

  • US university defeated BDS by hiring three Israeli soldiers to talk up 'love' for Israel
    • I feel contempt for any smart and powerful person who wastes opportunities to do the right thing.

    • What has he accomplished on the economic and policy front? The country is up to its eyes in debt, both personal and government debt. The percentage of Americans working is lower than ever. Real income is down. The underlying malinvestment that brought us the crash in 2008 has never been cleansed from the stystem. Obama continued the bailouts that served the top 1 per cent. Without the reserve currency status, this nation would have been done already.

      And what policy? The AHCA? Really? Have you seen the cost of premiums? Obama is a failure at the same level as Bush.

    • If Obama is fighting against the lobby, then why does Israel get more aid than ever? Why does it still heavily influence our foreign policy in Syria and towards Iran? Why has it faced no consequences over its continuing illegal occupation and Jews only colonization of Palestine? The Iran deal is a lone exception.

      I am so tired of illusions about Obama. He has been a cruel hoax.

  • 'Lunatic/Marco Rubio for President,' is Rubio's title for his latest ad
  • Video: O little invasion of Bethlehem
  • Congress seeks to undermine Iran deal by linking Iran with ISIS
    • I hope you are right, but I think Israel will continue to clean our clock till more Americans learn what Israel has done to this country over the years.

    • I can think of other regimes in the ME that are more brutal than the Assad OR the Iranian regime, or Hezbollah.

    • "Trotskyite fantasy"? You do know don't you that the neocons are reformed Trotskyites, right? And support for Assad is not support for terror. It is support against Islamic extremism. Furthermore, Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization for resisting Israeli occupation and aggression.

  • Rubio's neocon-establishment team bolstered by 'Zionaire' hedgefunder who denies existence of Palestine
    • What is up with all the anti rural, anti Southern bigotry here? Progressives can be such hypocrites.

    • I laugh when I read comments from Northerners or guilty Southerners. If you think Blacks had it easy in the North, then you are kidding yourselves. And a whole lot of Blacks stayed in the South, or moved back to the South. Yet some of you act like Jim Crow never died.

      I blame the Evil/Goodness dichotomy that was taught in schools about the Civil War. Somehow, the North is seen as goodness and light, despite the fact that its general's family owned slaves, during the war, and despite the fact that even Lincoln admitted that slavery was not the reason he opposed Southern secession.

      And it wasn't till the 60s that American leaders lost their desire to keep America a "White" nation. So why the obsession with Wilson? Did FDR bring freedom to Blacks? End unfair treatment of Blacks? Did Truman?

    • I despise Woodrow Wilson, but think removing his name from Princeton is evidence of "presentism." Wilson's racism was typical of those of his time. It was the cultural norm. So it doesn't bother me as much as his role in creating the unconstitutional money monopoly held by the quasi private Federal Reserve. The cultural norm at the time was not to enslave Americans to a debt based monetary system that rewards the top 1% at the expense others.

  • Adam Sandler says he's devoted to Israel because of his parents
    • haha! Good one!

    • Diaspora, do you assume that Gentiles and certain White groups, like poor White Southerners, have never been wronged? And I don't have a problem with a Jew being proud of being Jewish or a Black appreciating Black beauty, etc. But I think it is sketchy when a Jew says that a Gentile can't be proud of being Gentile, or White. Why can't Whites be proud of all of our accomplishments? There is plenty discussion these days about our faults, so a little White pride seems fine to me. My point is too many think ethnocentrism is fine for Blacks or Jews, but not for others. Why can't we all have a little pride in our background? Though I agree with Sulphur, that ultimately, it can be taken too far.

    • "But like I said I grew up being proud of being a Jew and that’s what I am." Why is this ok to say when it would be social suicide to say that one grew up being proud to be Gentile, or White, and that's what I am.

  • Denouncing Iran deal, Democratic Rep. Maloney mixes up Asia and Africa
    • It is very common for politicians of all types to conflate Iran with ISIS or with Al Qaeda. And the MSM lets them get away with it. Who largely owns the MSM?

  • Obama's ISIS czar says we can't defeat extremism without resolving Palestinian issue
    • The recently released 2012 DIA Memo clearly says that the "Western powers" were supporting ISIS in 2012, as a counterweight to Assad. And until maybe recently, the US was not seriously attacking ISIS. So I don't trust anything to come out of my govt in regard to ISIS. Why would I trust Israel either? The track record is rather poor.

  • How long can Democrats denounce Trump and embrace Netanyahu?
    • a4tech, You are resorting to ad hominem attack, which is par for the course for people who want to keep their head in the sand about the real life difficulties that massive immigration brings to a a society. And I don't think that ALL are simply looking for safety. I don't even blame the immigrant who comes here for mostly economic reasons. I blame elites who never have to face the consequences because their children go to private school, and because they live in communities which immigrants can't afford.

      Finally, while I don't deny that American settlers often did act with agression, you shouldn't pretend that the Native Americans were open borders advocates. They too fought with passion to keep out those not like them.

    • No, it does not recognize interfaith marriage. I didn't say they forbid such marriage, they just don't recognize them. There is no civil marriage there. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/marriage.html

    • Actually, I think progressives are too eager to overlook understandable fears among Middle Americans about waves of immigration from third world nations. Who enjoys having their culture changed very fast as a result of immigration? I suspect if the affluent people who claim to support immigration had to live in the same neighborhood as the immigrants, they wouldn't speak so nicely of them. Middle and lower class people are the ones who have to face the consequences of excessive migration to the US. [..] Israelis should not have set down roots in a land that was SOOOOO dangerous, as in, a land in which people rightfully don't take too kindly to being ethnically cleansed from their own homeland.

    • A very long time, for there are no signs that the MSM is ready to explain to the American public that Israel has a stricter religious/ethnic based test for its immigration policy than the one Trump advocates for US immigration policy. And it shows no interest in pointing out that Israel does not recognize interfaith, NOR Gay marriage.

      And too many liberal American Jews/progressive Democratic Party politicians seem to have one standard for immigration to the US and another for Israel.

  • Israel should give back the Golan
    • Do you have proof that Assad is solely responsible for the deaths of those 200,000 we hear about in the media every day? That he, rather than the rebels used chemical weapons on his own people? Please don't just provide a link to some anti Assad Western media story. Show me objective evidence! We know that many of his forces have died too fighting the Islamic extremists masquerading as "moderates." If some group of rebels decided to try to overthrow the Obama regime, there would be far more deaths at the hands of Obama than we have seen by Assad's hands.

      Yes, Syria has disintegrated, because the West AND Israel, and the Sunni Gulf states want Assad out, come hell or high water. They don't care about how many people die, they just want Assad gone. Makes no sense to me, as the secular Assad is far better on human rights than most of the dictators who are trying to oust him. So yes, give the Golan back to the legitimate regime of Syria, that of Assad.

  • Activists mark Chanukah by challenging growing Islamophobia in the United States
    • Till people begin to speak out against the official narrative behind 9/11, nothing will change. Ending Islamophobia will not be possible any more than stopping a hurricane. Too many Americans are emotionally invested in Islamophobia, precisely because most of them believe the official story.

  • Trump wasn't anti-Semitic
    • Sigh. The problem is not capitalism, but a debt based monetary system that gives seniorage to the top 1%. The Fed is the problem. It gets to create money out of nothing, then loan it to its friends at virtually zero interest, while the rest of us schmucks are stuck with 18% or higher interest rates. The Fed drives speculation, leading to booms and busts on a regular basis. The excessive flow of money to the top rung of society inflates asset prices and real estate. It devalues over time the spending power of the average person. It makes the average person dependent on financing for cars, homes, etc., especially when there is so little interest accrued with saving.

  • Trump's claim of 9/11 celebration in New Jersey is based on arrest of 5 'laughing' Israelis
    • How is it anti Semitic to reveal Israel's dirty secrets? No one here is saying that "the Jews" did 9/11. But if Israel was involved, we need to know it. Saying Israel was behind it just means elements within Israel were involved, not the whole state or all Jews. GEE.

  • Israel isn't worried about ISIS
    • People in Political Science in PhD programs, prominent leftists , etc.

    • I have tried without much success to convince progressives that Israel is intentionally supporting the destabilization of Syria, but they tell me to turn off Alex Jones, or call me a conspiracy theorist. I am not a fan of Mr. Jones, but I am not afraid to consider the possibility of conspiracy. I am not naive.

      Till more leading progressive voices point to Israel's policy of destabilization, as laid out in the Oded Yinon plan, most progressive followers will simply think it absurd to think that Israel would be supporting such strife and chaos on its doorstep. As if Israel would ever be required to take in refugees!!!!!!

  • Clash at settlement killed two innocent Jews -- and one innocent Palestinian
  • 'NYT' only counts Jews when it pronounces Thursday 'deadliest day of violence'
    • Sounds similar to claims by some Blacks that they can't be racist. I have never understood why calling out certain Jewish groups or individuals is "anti Semitic." Are Jews somehow perfect and superhumanly good? Isn't that notion racist?

  • NPR's Martin says that Beirut and Baghdad victims matter as much as Parisian ones
    • good one! The demonization of Hezbollah says so much about the neocon domination of our cultural memes about terrorism.

  • West's war against terrorism is Israel's war, Chuck Schumer says
    • Yes, and increasing awareness about the harm done to the US by Israel, rather than about Israel's abuses against Palestinians, is what will turn the tide of American public opinion. Please progressives. Wake up. I have been following this issue since I was a child in the early 80s. Things have only gotten worse IMO. I suspect that most who do care about Palestine, avoid this strategy of making it about America's interest for a couple of reasons. First, they think it is selfish. Well duh. But that is reality. Citizens care mostly about their nation's fortune, and the Palestinian plight is too complicated in their minds for them to spend the energy required to care. Second, they are simply unwilling to be called an anti Semite, a "conspiracy theorist," or a self hating Jew.

    • If most Americans knew that Israel favored radical Islamic extremists in Syria over a secular, Western educated leader, Israel would have no hope of maintaining its regime. I wish progressives who get it on Israel, would make this a major focus. To get change, we must wake up middle America. Wake them up with the facts about what Israel has done to the US, and Israel's agenda of intentional ME destabilization. Middle Americans do not care about what Israel has done to the Palestinians, or they just don't feel comfortable exploring the controversial issue. We have to make it about self interest to get their attention and get them to oppose Israel.

  • Seachange in public opinion: 'I am tired of Israel using US-made rockets to bomb Palestinians so that ultra-conservatives can steal their land'
    • I am happy to see more progressives speaking out, but won't get too excited till Middle America feels the same way about this issue. The thing though, is that they won't oppose Israel until they realize that Israel has not been good to America. Till you move Middle America, not much will happen policy wise.

  • Rigged Netanyahu 'conversation' at Center for American Progress shows it's twilight of the Israel lobby
    • But we need middle America to also start to turn against supporting Israel. That will only happen once Americans learn the extent to which Israel has harmed US interests, killed Americans, put them in danger, spied on us , etc. If only the Democratic Party contains anti Zionist elements, nothing will change, for the other party will serve as a veto on any corrective action.

  • Incitement is not the problem-- Ted Cruz using it is
    • Actually Hophmi, Jews and Israelis are able to regularly call out an entire group of people, without being called bigots. But if any of their targets dares to point out Jewish supremacism, then they are called "anti Semites" by establishment media.

  • 'Washington Post' publishes Elliott Abrams' diatribe against Palestinians without rejoinder
  • Fact Check: MSNBC’s Palestinian loss of land map
    • "Inevitably, some people will be forced to move. So let’s look at the options, that those so called refugees have in the following map: link to mefacts.com Just saying. Another fact that you may want to consider, is that a lot of the land that Israel took during the wars, was to gain strategic advantage in order to protect it’s people from terror and war from neighboring countries since the 2nd day it existed. If the region was to accept Israel and the Jewish people, and was peaceful, welcoming and understand to the long hard suffering of the Jewish people, no more land would have been taken."

      Huh? Inevitably, people will be forced to move? And your justification for forcing someone to move from a home? And nice job conflating opposition to Israeli aggression as "terror." As others have pointed out, no Arab army EVER attacked any part of Israel that was part of the land alotted to the Jews for a state. And I'm cuing the violins after reading your reference to the "long, hard suffering of the Jewish people." Jews are not the only people ever to have suffered. And not every instance of Jewish suffering has it's origin in some evil done by non Jews. Why is it ok to presume that the fault in a conflict between Jews and non Jews in the past, and any subsequent Jewish suffering, was the sole fault of non Jews? Try again.

  • How NPR talks about Israel/Palestine
    • I am one of the less "progressive" folks here, and I get your point. Most pro Israel liberals want open borders or a very lax immigration policy for the US, but would never expect Israel to change its immigration policy. Americans are not allowed to have an immigration policy that fits their desires, yet Israelis are. Israel alone gets to exclude people simply due to ethnicity. It makes no sense that so many Jewish Americans are extremely liberal about immigration here in the states, but think it perfectly fine for Israel to forcibly preserve its Jewish character.

    • What I don't get is the fact that the media only notices violence in Israel/Palestine when Jews are being killed. We have seen scores of Palestinians killed by IDF, Israeli police and settlers since the massacre in Gaza last summer, and yet somehow, the media only sees an end to "relative calm" once a Jew is killed. How can they not see that they value Jewish life more than non Jewish life?

  • On Bret Stephens' hate speech
    • I just watched a segment on CNN about the violence in Israel right now. I don't know why, but I am still shocked that the anchor and the on the scene journalist never once mentioned the 30 Palestinians who have been killed by Israel over the last month. Jewish lives matter, always, Palestinian lives, not so much.

    • Just in case you didn't know. Union General Grant owned slaves, during the war. Lee did not. The Civil War was not fought over slavery. Did it influence secession, yes, but Lincoln did not invade the South to free one slave.

  • Hillary Clinton expresses alarm for Israeli Jews, and not one word about Palestinian victims
    • The only way to get Americans to care about what is going on in Palestine, is to get Americans to care about what Israel has done to their country. Palestinians will be free when every American knows about Israel's attack on the USS Liberty, the Lavon affair, its spying, the Israeli push for the war with Iraq, a war with Syria and Iran, and Israel's involvement in many other sordid affairs. Yes, this will lead to charges of "anti Semitism," but I am telling you, nothing will change till Americans understand the ugliness of Israel's government and history.

  • NPR fails to mention occupation-- while Barghouti says in Guardian it is 'root cause' of violence
    • BLM is a fringe movement that has only alienated most Whites. You aren't going to get American leaders to change their policy positions on Palestine by getting BLM more fully on board. In fact, it may have the opposite effect. Want a change? Tell the truth about Israel's many unfriendly actions toward the US. Let Americans know. Then they will care.

  • Courting Adelson and Netanyahu and reviving 'new American century,' Rubio positions himself as neocon favorite
    • Rubio, quite alarmingly, seems very sincere, if incredibly ignorant. And that is just how the neocons like em. They like puppets. I just don't understand why those leaders (Rand Paul, Obama, etc.) who aren't neocon, don't realize what they are up against. Why do they try to make nice with these people? Why does Obama in particular hire neocon advisers and incorporate neocons into his State Dept? You can't out neocon a neocon. I just don't get it.

  • 'Replace' the mosques? Once again, 'NYT' soft-pedals Israeli extremism
  • Rescuing atheism from Harris and Hitchens
    • I have never understood how people like Harris can pretend that Christianity and Judaism have no influence on our incredibly violent and interventionist foreign policy. Anti Muslim hysteria feeds the War on Terror, and prevents Americans from caring about our own sins. I have come to the conclusion that Sam Harris must believe that Jews are inherently superior to non Jewish Semites. Otherwise, he wouldn't overlook the incredibly cruel actions of our Western militaries and the vile people, always either Christian or Jewish(and disproportionately so), who give them orders, not to mention the masses of Christians and Jews who make excuses for them.

    • I have never understood how people like Harris can pretend that Christianity and Judaism have no influence on our incredibly violent and interventionist foreign policy. Anti Muslim attitudes are spread by a whole lot of both Christians and Jews, feeding the War on Terror, and preventing Americans from caring about our own sins. For some reason, many Christians and Jews overlook or are ignorant of some of the pro-violence and hate filled statements in both the Old Testament and the Talmud. The Koran does not have a monopoly on troubling verses.

      I have come to the conclusion that Sam Harris must believe that Jews and Christians to a lesser extent, are inherently superior to non Jewish Semites. Otherwise, he wouldn't overlook the incredibly cruel actions of our Western militaries and the vile people, always either Christian (some only nominally) or Jewish (and disproportionately so), who shape our Western foreign policies and give our militaries their heinous orders.

  • In Israel/Palestine we are witnessing the end of a colonial regime
    • Can we please stop conflating Palestinian rights with gun control, and other "progressive" causes? I support the 2nd Amendment. No compromise. Want to change it? Amend it.

    • This is why I believe its crucial for us to change strategy. We are not going to get Americans to care about Palestinians. We can however get them to oppose Israel, if we can convince them that Israel is not a real ally, and that Israel has actually hurt the US in many different ways.

    • very good point! And 9/11 didn't help either. The video purportedly showing Palestinians celebrating 9/11 hurt even worse IMO. It was actually a celebration of someone passing out candy, but the meme stuck.

  • Clashes break out across West Bank after Netanyahu declares ‘an all-out war’
    • Atlantaiconoclast October 8, 2015 at 1:59 am

      Yes, why is it ok for Syrians to violently resist their govt., but its terror when Palestinians do it. Ridiculous double standard and one not raised by pro Palestinian advocates enough.

    • Atlantaiconoclast October 8, 2015 at 1:58 am

      not many of the so called pro Palestinian groups in the West

    • Atlantaiconoclast October 8, 2015 at 1:57 am

      I keep saying to the crowd here that the only way to end Israel's crimes is to expose Israel's long history of very unfriendly acts toward the US[..]. Americans by and large do not care about Palestinians, and likely never will, but they do care about their own country being attacked. People must start exposing Israel's crimes, not just the ones against Palestinians.

  • The Obama administration needs to own up to the quagmire in Syria
    • I get the feeling that Obama has farmed out foreign policy to the neocons and "humanitarian"interventionists only later to have doubts about those people. But does he ever can anyone, or own up to mistakes in policy? No. Why in the world is Victoria Nuland, the wife of arch neocon Robert Kagan in an Obama State Dept? This tells us enough about Obama.

  • Could Syria's revolution have been different?
    • lyproyect, Do you support Israel's use of violence against Palestinian resistance? If so, why? I thought you consider Assad's violence illegitimate. Did the Palestinians get to vote in Israeli elections? How is Israel's use of force in any way more legitimate than that done by Assad? And again, which regime is in greater danger? Israel or Syria's Assad regime? If Assad had non violent protestors killed, that is wrong, but if his nation is under attack from Islamic extremists, should he just sit down and allow the extremists to take over? And please don't pretend that there are true moderates in the Syrian opposition.

    • Lincoln had people arrested during the war for not supporting it. Stop being inconsistent. I don't justify any violence done by Assad, I simply point out that its what leaders do when their nations are under extreme danger. Lincoln's Union states were in no real danger of being invaded. Syria's regime held territory on the other hand, is under relentless assault.

    • Right, but my larger point was that the war was not about slavery. Secession was to a degree. But the war was not. What Lincoln did to the South was more severe than what Assad has done to the rebel regions. Especially given the inferior military technology of the day.

    • Lincoln too acted in tyrannical ways. Learn a little forbidden history. Learn what Lincoln did to journalists who dared go against the war. I recommend Thomas De Lorenzo . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbFty9nZUac And I don't justify what Assad may or may not have done. I simply point out the hypocrisy of people like yourself who think its ok for a leader to wage a vicious assault on a region as long as they are democratically elected. Oh by the way, do you support the Palestinian right to violently resist Israeli oppression? If not, why not?

    • Wrong, he didn't free his family's slaves till well into the war. Lee on the other hand, had already freed his well before the war. He also insisted that slavery would end in the South.

    • As a Southerner, I don't appreciate your flippant treatment of this topic. Again, the Union army was headed by a slave owner. There were five slave holding Union states. Lincoln supported the Corwin Amendment, which would have made slavery forever legal in the South. He did this to entice the South into staying in the Union. But it didn't work, cause slavery was not the only reason for secession. The fact that the South was paying the majority of the federal government revenue, despite being a much smaller region (population), was another motive forgotten or ignored by people today. The South rarely attacked the North. It wanted to be left alone. And yes, I do believe slavery would have ended on its own. Lincoln's vicious war was not any better than Assad's.

    • How many here who demonize Assad, hold Abraham Lincoln to the same standard? And please don't say, well Lincoln was fighting to free the slaves. That is hogwash. General Grant owned slaves, during the war! Lincoln's army destroyed the South. Atlanta was burned. The University of Alabama was almost completely destroyed. Hundreds of thousands of Southern civilians and soldiers died. But you want to condemn Assad, whose nation is under relentless attack from Islamic jihadists and "moderate" rebels who sure don't seem to mind working with extremist rebels.

      What would Obama or Bush do, if we were being ripped apart by rebellion?

    • Wow, another truth dropper! I am impressed with Mondoweiss more than ever. Hopefully, the contributors to Mondoweiss will do more articles focusing on the angles provided in your and Bandolero's post.

    • Thanks for dropping truth here. I still think, however, that exposing Israel's intentional destabilization could pay major dividends. Too many Americans think Israel is the poor little victim. I have been watching the Palestinian struggle for years. The current approach of focusing only on the occupation has reaped no tangible change for the Palestinians. When activists stop being afraid to tell the full truth about Israel, like the damage done to the US and Israel's neighbors by Israel's destabilizing influence, we will see Americans changing their minds. Am I calling for demonization of Israel? Technically no, but I can see how people would think that. But if Israel can reap benefits demonizing Iran, maybe its time to emulate them, and learn to demonize away.

    • Excellent, very interesting piece. Would love to hear more from Mr. Glass, though, about Israel's role in stimulating and sustaining the conflict. What is the extent of Israeli support for this rebellion? For Al Nusra? Is Israel supporting the rebels by pushing for American intervention, or is the support more direct, if secret? Why does Israel never attack ISIS? Why has ISIS never attacked Israel? Is what we see in Syria connected to Likud's Oded Yinon's vision of a destabilized Middle East, with Israel as the regional hegemon?

      Few Americans would be surprised to learn that Saudi Arabia is up to no good in Syria. But what about Israel? I think that few Americans would put up with Israel if they saw evidence to indicate that Israel has intentionally sought to destabilize the Middle East. We need these questioned investigated. Exposing Israel's role in this catastrophe is a great possible opportunity to not only help bring an end to the war in Syria, but to help the Palestinians as well.

  • The U.S. has responsibility for Syrian refugees because we started destructive wars
    • Ok, let's review some things. We now have clear info from official government documents, that the US and the West supported the rise of ISIS in Eastern Syria, as a counterweight to Assad. See http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/newly-declassified-u-s-government-documents-the-west-supported-the-creation-of-isis.html Judicial Watch got the documents from the DOD declassified. I suggest you read the quotes to see for yourself.

      Secondly, do you really think the West has supported the rebels out of concern for human rights? Assad may be a dictator, but compared to the Saudi rulers, he is a benign dictator. Unlike the House of Saud however, his nation is under relentless attack from Islamic extremists to his north, east, west and South. Abraham Lincoln ALSO killed a lot of people in his quelling of violent rebellion in the US, but for some reason, you and others overlook that, and deify Lincoln. Lincoln's forces destroyed the South, including the burning of Atlanta, and the almost complete destruction of the University of Alabama. So try being consistent in your condemnation of rulers using force to put down violent rebellions.

      By the way, I have yet to see anyone provide objective evidence that Assad has gassed his own people. We are supposed to believe that Assad would have gassed his own people the very week that he had invited UN investigators to the very region where the gassing took place. The evidence actually shows that the rebels got the gas from Libya, and used it against Syrians. See Seymour Hersh's work on this.

      Finally, I am not left winger. I abhore neocon AND Leftist policies. Assad probably made mistakes sure, but you and others want to pretend that he is unique in putting down a violent extremist rebellion with ruthless force.

    • And I hope everyone here realizes that the Israel Lobby has been a major advocate for intervention against both the Iraqi and Syrian regimes. Oded Yinon planned the destabilization that we see today in the Middle East. If you don't know who he is, here is a little background:

      http://home.comcast.net/~transparentcabal/article38.html and

      http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/the-jewish-plan-for-the-middle-east-and-beyond.html

      This needs to be known by every American. If people begin to realize that Israel has been behind much of this chaos in the Middle East, things just might change for the Palestinians.

  • Why do Jewish legislators carry more weight on Iran Deal?
    • Do these folks who obsess about Iranian "terror" ever get specific about what they are talking about, other than Hezbollah? Iranian "terror" is constantly being conflated with the kind of "terror" we see associate with Al Qaeda, and ISIS. Yet when has Iran been proven to have attacked American civilians or any other civilians? Iran and Hezbollah are both fighting the dreaded ISIS, yet somehow, Manchin thinks Iranian terror is the problem? Israel greatly benefits from this conflation.

  • Obama gets Wasserman Schultz-- and salutes her 'homeland' with a Netanyahu valentine
    • Aside from Hezbollah, which imo, is simply a resistance , not a terrorist organization, what are they talking about when they reference Iranian sponsored terrorism? It seems any resistance to occupation is deemed "terrorism" as long as Israel is the occupier.

  • Debacle for the Israel lobby: Booker jilts Boteach, and Netanyahu sinks AIPAC
    • Thank you! I wish more understood the US/British/French/Israel/Gulf State coalition to oust the secular Assad. The fact that Saudi Arabia/Israel are in this coalition is proof that it has no true concern for human rights in Syria. Same goes for what was done to Libya.

  • National Public Radio annexes West Bank to Israel
  • 'There is no Jewish terror': Conspiracy theory that Palestinians committed Duma firebombing spreads among Israelis
    • Regardless of who did this horrible act, and I seriously doubt Palestinians would kill other Palestinians to get political attention, this act WAS a conspiracy if it involved more than one person, Israeli or Palestinian. The label of "conspiracy" is a convenient way to marginalize people who dare question official stories. The social sciences have demonized the notion of conspiracy, and have in fact, created an entirely new definition of the word "conspiracy." I think the point of the story should be that many Israelis are in denial about the strain of supremacism in their nation rather than that they are crazy "conspiracy theorists."

  • Leading Israeli journalist says Israel is an Apartheid state
  • Roundtable on the Palestinian solidarity movement and Alison Weir
    • Cracker? really? This is why Red state people hate liberals.

    • You make an assumption that many here do. That the killing of Michael Brown was completely unjustified. Based on the facts of the case, I don't think the cop overreacted.

      Now I don't doubt that cops overreact in many cases throughout the US, but they overreact to both Black AND non Black SUSPECTS. The stats bear this out. The whole Black Lives Matter phenomenon has been a huge turn off to most Whites for it makes police brutality look like a problem only for Blacks. And might I remind you that these Whites you seem not interested in reaching, are still the majority of the nation? If you really want to change US policy toward the Middle East, you need to get Whites, along with Blacks on your side. Alison Weir was doing the right thing speaking to that demographic. She didn't compromise the non racist position by engaging in a dialogue with the White "right."

    • I don't agree. I have heard many former Christians state far more negative things about Christianity than Gilad does about his former faith of Judaism. He has the right to talk about the negative strains of Judaism. And you have the right to be intolerant.

      And by the way, when I think of Israel lobby, I see Christian Zionist involvement for sure. I blame the latter even more for Israel would not have the power it does without them. But they ARE being misled by certain Jews in the lobby. And the lobby also DID take us to war with Iraq.

    • Exactly. That is why it infuriates me when people try to protect an honest examination of Israel. Americans will never stop showing fealty to Israel till they know the full extent of Israel's crimes, including those against America. I have been following this issue for a long time now, and I have only seen a hardening of attitudes in favor of Israel. Americans by and large will not care about Palestine till they realize that Israel is not our friend.

    • So who can we trust to tell us the truth about the role of Jews in the Soviet secret police? Do you not realize that there is a taboo on revealing anything negative about the Jewish role in Stalin's murderous reign? I would tend to trust academics the least on this issue, simply because they are under pressure not to rock the boat and risk losing a chance at tenure.

    • And does it not cross the minds of people like Hitchcock that one of the main reasons Americans continue to support Israel is that most of us have been taught to think that any negative accusation against a Jew is automatically "anti Semitic"? See how that stifles critical thinking toward Israel? I can't believe more people don't see the implications of making criticism of certain Jews or aspects of Judaism off limits. Christians and Christianity are not off limits, nor should they be. The important thing is to be fair, consistently, and without prejudice. Let the facts be known. The suppression of truth only leads to resentment and true prejudice.

    • David Duke is not a neo Nazi. He is a racial realist and could be called a racist, but the man does not support the slaughter or the oppression of another people. He supports separatism. I don't agree with him, but stop with the neo Nazi crap.

    • I have been involved with left , libertarian, and right political causes at different points in my life, and I must say, with the exception of the neocon branch of conservatism, the "progressive" community is far LESS tolerant than other groups.

      And Hitchcock speaks like a true academic brainwashed by social science into thinking that conspiracies do not happen. If a group of Jews conspire, it doesn't mean all or most Jews were in on it. Wouldn't accurate historical reviews of such claims be to the benefit of Jews by clarifying the relative extent of their veracity? Or is there something to hide?

      If Christianity can be challenged on its absurd and supremacist tenets, why can't Judaism? The Talmud has some very anti Gentile statements. We have the right to call out Jews who DO conspire and who ARE supremacists, just as we do non Jews who conspire and who are supremacists. And please don't pretend I am claiming that all conspiracy theories are correct.

      And as for Weir exploring the possible historicity of some group of Jews killing children in the past, or currently being involved in organ harvesting, how is that automatically verboten? Another example would be the possible involvement of many Jews in the slave trade. I have seen conflicting evidence and claims, but rarely is an open debate on this question allowed. Jews do not have to be free of scoundrels and evil people to deserve to be treated as individuals first. History should not be politically correct. And even if there were Jews who did despicable things, it doesn't mean Judaism is any more tarnished than Christianity or any other faith.

      Progressives really seem to operate in Ivory Towers and show little self awareness about their own intolerance.

  • Shocker: 'NYT' runs front page press release for AIPAC warning Obama to cool his jets
    • Atlantaiconoclast August 9, 2015 at 12:01 pm

      not the Jewish establishment

      People throw around the term the "Christian Right" all the time, its time to start calling out the Jewish establishment, or organized Jewry.

  • Defying Obama on Iran deal, Schumer cites Hamas
    • Atlantaiconoclast August 7, 2015 at 11:49 pm

      For that to happen, people who know the reality about Israel must stop being afraid to spill the tea! Americans need to know about the long history of Israeli false flag attacks, it's spying and its heavy lobbying to take America to war, for Israel.

    • Atlantaiconoclast August 7, 2015 at 11:23 pm

      How in the world is it possible to pin terrorism in Syria on Iran???? If Americans really knew which nations were really behind Islamic extremists in Syria, Israel and Saudi Arabia would be finished.

  • 'I love Obama' 'You're infatuated' (The argument on the left)
    • We do not have a capitalist free market. We have an oligarchical and fascist/socialist system. When big banks are bailed out, big Ag and big Pharma companies get subsidies, when Health care is subsidized, when our govt currency is a debt instrument that is created out of thin air by a private central bank with monopoly power over currency , that is not a free market.

  • Sanders risks losing left over unprogressive views of Palestine -- Washington Post
    • raising educational standards? Do you really think that today's students are underperforming due to a lack of funding, etc? It starts in the home. Till Democrats AND Republicans realize that, no progress will be made. See the DC schools for my proof.

    • Atlantaiconoclast August 4, 2015 at 8:59 pm

      He actually used to hold a position on illegal immigration which had workers' wages in mind.

    • amen and I really love Ron Paul

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