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Atlantaiconoclast

Healer, frustrated academic, libertarian and non-interventionist

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  • Resolution for 2017: Stop substituting 'the occupation' for 'Zionism'
    • Mooser, I could care less if YOU think I am anti Semitic. I was being sarcastic.

      I don't agree that most conservatives are frustrated over the Civil Rights Act of the 60s. Most are eager to prove they are not racist. But yes, many of the Alt Righters do want freedom of association. But even they don't think that is as important as a general shrinking of state power and an end to political correctness and anti White ideology.

      I want a complete end to all aid to Israel. If Israel wants to embrace its apartheid aspects, let it do so on its own dime. And let it face its wars ALONE. Meanwhile, I will be boycotting Israel at the consumer level. I don't expect my govt to do these things for me. And FYI, Jim Crow was most wrong for it was state mandated discrimination as are the Jews ONLY colonies.

      In my personal life, I am in an interracial relationship and do not set a color requirement for friendship. But I don't think it is my right to force others to see things the way I do in that regard. Also, Blacks in the North were not that free. I think you have this need to demonize the South.

  • The formal end of the two-state solution
    • I sure wish I shared your optimism. I don't think most people on the Left have a clue how deep seated the worship of Israel is across America, mostly among Christians. We have a huge problem that will prevent any progress: this pervasive belief that Israel is our dear friend and super ally. I am not religious but have considered giving to Christian preachers who debunk the heresy of Christian Zionism. I could look past some of their theology for the time being. Why are these brave people not getting more attention here? If Christian America, including the quickly growing Latino community, learned the truth, things would dramatically change.

      We must find ways to dismantle this myth that Israel is our friend. If we don't, nothing will change. I want all those who are over 48 to think about the fact that Israel's occupation has lasted longer than we have been alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you want to die without seeing a change for the better?

      I urge everyone to brainstorm ways to reach the masses so that this special relationship undergoes a hard divorce. How do we convince the masses that Israel is not in the right? Show how it has not be an ally!!!!!!!!!

  • 'A revolt against the future': Quick reflections on the November 2016 Election
    • Amen. I have been opposed to Zionism since I was a child. There is no way anything will change for the good till more Americans see it in their interest to end the special parasitic relationship. Most liberals just don't get it! So frustrating. The Palestinians will continue to suffer unless this movement makes serious changes in strategy.

  • 'Shame on you,' Israel, for turning Obama 'into some Jew hater,' Tom Friedman says
    • Till Zionist Jews are called out for their anti Gentile racism, nothing will change. We must turn the tables on them, and put them on the defensive. And to motivate Americans to care, link it to showing Americans the harm Israel has done to the US over the years, and the constant mooching by the biggest welfare queen on the planet.

      You can change the minds of liberal Jews everywhere, and it will not change things much. You must reach middle America. Make them see the folly in our special relationship with Israel. Or continue to moan about Israeli apartheid and occupation for a long long time. If people aren't upset about Israel's treatment of Palestinians by now, when will they be? Answer: When they see the harm Israel has done to the US.

  • Black Lives Matter will defeat the Israel lobby (because the lobby can't debate reality)
    • Till you convince the masses in America that the special relationship has not been good for the US, the Lobby will not fall. BLM will only hurt the Palestinian cause given its unpopularity with the masses outside Manhattan and other tony districts.

  • Sam Harris and the politics of 'good intentions'
    • Chomsky is right that our foreign policy is unethical, but he is wrong to focus solely on economic motives for our ridiculously close relationship with and subsidization of Israel. The Iraq War was primarily for Israel, though certain military industrial interests surely benefited as well from that stupid war. Our hostility to Iran is primarily because of Israel. And in regards to Syria, Wikileaks released discussions between Hillary and the administration in which it was revealed that she was arguing for regime change in Syria to help Israel. Would be nice to see Chomsky talk about this other motive for US foreign policy.

  • The 'New York Times' is dead set on marginalizing Jewish anti-Zionism
    • Atlantaiconoclast August 4, 2016 at 12:02 am

      I am heartened to hear that there is an increasing number of Jews willing to critique Zionism. However, all that is necessary for Israel to continue to be the apple of every politician's eye is for a sizeable percentage of powerful, influential Jews and a large number of Christian Zionists to continue to uphold the special relationship.

      But the good news is that even Christian Zionists are capable of changing their mind about Israel, once they learn the truth about the negative effects of the special relationship on their nation. I wish anti Zionists would focus as much on changing the minds of Christian Zionists as much as they do Jews. Once a majority of them, especially the more patriotic ones, realize Israel is not so good for the US, that special relationship will end.

  • Democratic Party consultant asked about Palestinian rights: 'Not my problem'
    • Atlantaiconoclast July 30, 2016 at 1:41 am

      Amen, except the US is 20 Trillion in debt, so whether Israel has taken a trillion or not doesn't matter. We shouldn't be giving it or any other nation any money, unless we are talking private charity. But your post provides another point that could actually cause Americans to push for an end to the special relationship.

    • Now THIS is what could end the special relationship, showing Americans that Israel has manipulated the US to fight its wars, whether in Iraq, or Syria. Waiting for Americans to care about Palestinians will NEVER work. How many years of failure do we have to see before we change strategy?

  • Rubio's defeat means the downfall of neoconservatives
    • I am supporting Trump, with major reservations, precisely because of the terror he has caused in the neocon's minds. But I don't trust Trump on this issue. Nevertheless, the fact he had the nerve to say he would try to be neutral just boggles my mind. What did he have to gain in saying that? Most Republicans are reflexively pro Israel, though even most of them do not want us going to war for Israel like we did against Iraq. I am hoping that Trump will unredact those 28 pages of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and learn some things that could dramatically damage the "special relationship."

  • Kerry and Shapiro bring the one-state news the NYT failed to deliver
  • Day before deadline, Iran negotiations coming 'down to the wire' and Netanyahu still hopes to play spoiler
    • Atlantaiconoclast March 31, 2015 at 12:03 am

      Obama cares too much about power, and he will need power after he leaves office. He doesn't want to lose too much power, as Jimmy Carter has.
      So he will never seriously undermine our "special relationship" with Israel.

      I really think Obama has been a cruel hoax. Yes, he knows better, but he just doesn't care as much about doing the right thing as he does holding onto his power and privilege in the American establishment.

      He also has to deal with political enemies and masses of Americans who loathe him and think he is really a Jewish hating Muslim. They actually have convinced themselves that Obama is somehow anti Israel, despite ever more aid going to Israel, despite the vetoing of any resolution about Israel in the UN, etc. So in a way, I kinda understand his reticence to really crack down on Israel. Still, if Daddy Bush can crack down on Israel, why can't a "progessive" like Obama?

  • Netanyahu says Labor will bring ISIS to Jerusalem
    • This is ironic. We know that Israel has been assisting ISIS, by its attacks on the secular Assad forces alone. How in the world does Netanyahu attack Syria's Assad, but not ISIS, and then run tv commercials implying that he alone can stop ISIS? When has Israel EVER attacked ISIS or Al Qaeda, and when has ISIS or Al Qaeda EVER attacked Israel? Even the UN acknowledges that Israel has been in contact with ISIS. When will the mainstream media start talking about this odd relationship?

  • In Iraq and Syria the US sanctions its allies while its friends back its enemies (got that?)
    • If somehow all of the Christian Zionists could find out about this, then maybe, just maybe, apartheid Israel's days would be numbered. Somehow though, the push of the Israel Lobby for American support against the secular and Christian protecting Assad just goes unnoticed by 99% of Americans. This is just one in a long list of things that need to be brought out into the open if we ever hope to have any chance of ending the special relationship.

  • Pro-Israel parliamentary group in Europe says Israelis suffered 'worst' of Gaza conflict
    • The quickest way to end this tragic special relationship is for Western societies to dramatically downsize the power of their respective states. End the Federal Reserve, dramatically reduce the "Defense" budget, lower taxes, and end ALL government aid to other nations.

  • Obama took on the Cuba lobby-- when will he take on the Israel lobby?
    • Only telling the truth about Israel's long history of false flags, some against the US, will change this special relationship

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