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Various Zionist leaders have sought to use the US for its ends including doing their best to bring America into WWI to please desperate Britain in exchange for Palestine. And America is encouraged to be an accomplice to Israel's crimes today while receiving generous checks from America.
Goldstone recanted his report, so he could feel welcome again. He's silent now.
Israel armed the Kurds in the 1960s and the 1970's. It's not completely new. If a Kurdistan emerges, the hope would be that Israel would have an ally and Iraq would be a smaller country and less of a problem.
Unfortunately, there are more people like her than you think. I've had people scream at me in a similar vein. I knew a guy who was falsely accused of a bomb threat by an Israeli on campus when he never made such a threat and even people who were not even there were going to testify against him. It was dropped in court. She may not be representative of the majority, for sure, but there aren't just a few like her who shout down people and feel entitled to do so even in a public place. It happens more than you think.
I would be shocked if Israel's leadership accept. Hamas is a convenient enemy - weak enough to pummel without causing damage, strong enough to rally against.
Could you kindly explain how a cafe showing a World Cup was a place Hamas was operating from on a beach when it was bombed? We're not that naive to accept that thousands of homes are all places Hamas has operated from? If you really believe that, then you might as well believe in Santa Claus.
In my opinion, I don't see why Hamas cannot change the charter and revise it even if it is historical. I understand that it has an election manifesto. However, it can put forward a new, more progressive charter instead of having people using the charter against it and then saying it's not important. A big problem for Hamas is not only the charter, but the fact that it has the history of suicide bombs that I was always against. Israel used the cover of the suicide bombs to build more settlements, and it made it easier to harm all kinds of Palestinians. I know the world is not fair to Hamas, but its history in the 1990's and it's charter are two negative points. It cannot change the past, of course. However, it can change the charter. If people are obsessing over it and view it as genocidal in some circles, then do something to get rid of the label.
If you put a nice election manifesto, some open minded people will see that, but many will say that the charter still exists and many people think that charters are important to organizations. I do understand that Hamas has made many changes.
He made no mention of a particular country by name, but people of a certain country believe he's referring to them. I wonder why.
Jews account for 10% of Florida's population and in certain areas the percentage is, obviously, a lot higher. And many of the Jews in Florida, let's face it, don't care if he is a minor. If Israel claims that he was in a protest, then the IDF could have killed the youth by beating him for all they care. That's the reality. And she needs the money to be elected. She's not going to potentially sacrifice her career for the young lad.
The cartoon refers to incitement by Israeli politicians, named above, of Arabs. However, they want violence only utilized by IDF soldiers i.e. people wearing uniforms and issued orders because they have political cover. However, their inciting language led to vigilante actions and the killing of an Arab teenager. They were not inciting against certain Jews, so it makes sense that the cartoons wrote RIP in relation to that Arab youth because the incitement and feelings for revenge coming out of the mouths of the politicians connect to what happened to that boy. Your implication that the Israeli youths lives don't matter has no connection to the cartoon except that the lives of those youths was used as an excuse for violence by politicians. Of course, the killing of those youths is a crime. How many hundreds of young Palestinian teenagers have been killed by troops? What's the difference between militants killing those innocent Israeli teenagers and soldiers killing Palestinians who really bare no threat to them with all the protection they have? Not much difference yet 100's of those youths were killed all the time. Palestinian teenagers die all the time like it's nobody's business, and the politicians make excuses when the IDF kills them. I am sure some Palestinians made excuses for the deaths of those Israeli youths, as well. While the families of those youths have my sympathy, so do the hundreds of Palestinians families who have lost sons. Anyway, remember the cartoonist is referring to incitement by politicians against Arabs and is making the point that the politicians then act all surprised when people engage in pogroms or attacks and kill Arabs. That was the point she was making. It's no surprise that the right that likes to whip people into a hysteria contributed to the death of Rabin, who was a man of peace. May Rabin and those youths rest in peace. They are all victims of a false peace.
We need more BDS to counteract more of Israel's political BS and war crimes. It's one major way to change the political balance sheet. The US cannot stop groups and people from supporting BDS. Whether you believe in two-states or one-state, it doesn't matter. Israel doesn't really believe in two-states in a real sense, so support BDS. Israel kills and makes excuses. What do people watching a World Cup game have to do with terrorism? Israel should be at the top of the list when it comes to terrorism. Hamas is an amateur compared to Israel.
The reality is that Israeli lives are viewed as more important than that of Palestinian lives by far. There's no doubt about it, and Al Qaeda didn't do the Palestinians any favors when they attacked on September 11th. Yes, I know some claim it was a false-flag attack. Regardless, the various attacks by Islamic extremists doesn't help when you have so many in the United States who are woefully ignorant when it comes to the world. Only 18% of Americans take the side of the Palestine. It's better than say 7%, which was where it was at in 2001, but far from where it needs to be. I would like to see it go past the record of 20%. The US is afraid to criticize Israel because of the lobbyists who have so much clout. You know which lobby I am referring to. And, in turn, the UN is limited in its criticism. Both the US and UN say Israel has security concerns and what not, but they never say that for the Palestinians. Israel can round up hundreds of men, kill some people, including two minors, and Hamas people and people who were previously released and the Palestinians have no right to respond. Only the Israelis have the right to respond. It's like being bullied and accepting the fact that others are saying it's okay that someone wants to bully you. You appeal to the higher authorities, and they don't protect you nor do they help you.
The soldiers didn't know that the youth was a Palestinian-American. I'm not sure if it made a difference or not. He was said to be in his uncle's garden. He stated he was not protesting. Even if that was the case, it wouldn't justify the horrible beating when he was restrained. Anyway, Israel recently killed two youths and not much was done or said. Why does someone have to have a US passport for their death to be significant? I think your death is more likely to be treated as significant if you have either an Israeli or American passport, but not if you're a Palestinians. You're just a statistic, at best.
It is a warning to Israel. Essentially, they're saying "We can protect you at the U.N. to some extent, but not in the General Assembly, and the PA can potentially join organizations, and many private firms and organizations and people are choosing to boycott the state, and the US has no control over that, and Israel would feel the pinch if that happened. Israeli lobbyists can't stop people from choosing to boycott the state. They can't buy everybody. Some people aren't for sale, especially when they realize it means selling the lives and human rights of Palestinians.
It appears that we're hearing of many attempts at kidnapping Palestinian children as if to say if you kidnap 3 of ours, we will kidnap many more of yours. The conflict will only deform both sides, and the occupier, in the end, will look the worst.
The United States media has Native Americanized the conflict. Native Americans died in large numbers defending their lands and people. The lives of Native Americans were not viewed as significant. The Native Americans were outgunned and didn't have much of a chance. They were labeled as savages and the whites were civilized. The US is allowing that to happen to another people; it's shameful. And decades after the Nazi Holocaust, you see a state that espouses an ideology not too distantly related from what Hitler espoused. Yes, it's not based on racial purity or anything like that, but the idea of being Jewish or not Jewish and the idea of Jewish supremacy over the Palestinians and leaving them as little as possible.
It seems like Israelis are becoming more hysterical and a lot of violence is not only coming from the military and much more from settlers and regular citizens. There will probably be more pressure to ethnic cleanse Arab-Israelis and attack them. Who knows? Of course, it would be difficult to go too far in 2014. Israel's no different from some of the horrible colonial governments that existed many decades ago in Africa. Many Zionists took upon arrogant, hateful nationalistic views and spread it among the community. The seeds of fascism were always there, unfortunately.
Israelis and their supporters keep saying they're more civilized, but when you're an occupying power you have no high moral ground. Of course, Israelis play with words and say there's no occupation, but the fact of the matter is that there were few Jews in the West Bank in the 1940's. Yes, there were Jews in some parts like Hebron, but they were a small fraction of the population. For decades Israel has been taking land by force from Palestinians, and Zionists have the gall to claim they are part of a higher, more civilized culture. In what universe? There's a lot of arrogance at play here.
It is refreshing that there are naysayers when it comes to the propaganda from Israel that seeks to have this idea that the Palestinians should be denied their humanity or voice or to be heard from in the world. Once, the ancestors of Israelis were a minority that suffered, and, now, Israelis are making Palestinians suffer via an ethnocratic ideology. It's the idea of ethnic supremacy, and didn't the Germans believe in ethnic supremacy, as well?
Kay24, Obama, deep down, doesn't really like Israel. Many presidents haven't really been big fans of Israel. The reality is Israeli lobbyists paid enough for plenty of dead Palestinian bodies, and plenty of people in the US including Christian Zionists, and some American Jews support this genocidal colonial project, unfortunately. The Europeans and Americans would find it easier to say no if more says would strongly say no. Israel's also trading on the memory of the holocaust. So, in a sense, Palestinians are being killed for a crime they did not commit.
I was wondering about the Kuffiyeh, as well. Was wearing a Kuffiyeh near a place where youths are throwing rocks wise even if you're in your uncle's garden? I don't think so. He was innocent, regardless of what he was wearing, but the IDF looks for excuses to brutalize and arrest people. You don't want to be sporting a Kuffiyeh when they are attacking youths and vice-versa. I understand his relative was killed, and he wanted to express solidarity, but it's very dangerous down there.
When you sustain such head injuries, it is serious. It could affect you for the rest of your life. So many pro-Israelis don't understand how brutal the occupation is and how they encourage the incarceration of so many people and brutalize them and turn them into angry humans. What happened to the 3 Jewish youths was a disgusting tragedy. Did Netanyahu and people like him, with their policies, help create certain Palestinian monsters as well as their own Israeli monsters in uniform? That's what an occupation does.
Tarek's "crime" was WWBA or walking while being an Arab. It's kind of like driving while being black. He may have been somewhat near a protest, which is not hard to do, and the Israeli soldiers were out-of-control and view all Arab youths as guilty if they are near a protest, and their pro-Israeli supporters, understandably, want to explain away what happened and want to insist he was protesting when his parents say he was not. Even if he were protesting, he was handcuffed and in custody. Do you beat a juvenile almost to death when you have them handcuffed? That's clearly a violation of international law and human rights, but plenty of folks who support Israel wrong-or-right don't want to view the Palestinians as humans and examine their humanity while claiming to be more civilized. It beggars the imagination, I tell you.
Israel does not view the occupation of the West Bank as a colonial project, but the reality is when it settles the land with Jewish Israelis and has to often remove indigenous people who were already there to do so, that is, by-definition, a colonial project in a true sense. Prior to 1967, there were not many Jews in the West Bank. There were some in some certain areas like Hebron including some who were killed by fanatics during some hysterical moments (And, yes, some were protected by neighbors). Thus, for the most, the only indigenous inhabitants were those who in circa 2014 spoke a form of Levantine Arabic as Aramaic-Syriac was no longer the dominant language by the 12th century as the inhabitants had converted from Christianity and Judaism for various reasons. The people who are part-and-parcel of the land's history are being treated as if they are a mistake of history and not even human beings except when someone without state authority possibly kills and burns a Palestinian youth. When the IDF does it with an official uniform it's easier to ignore it and explain it away. That's a colonial attitude that reminds me of Albert Camus's book "L'etranger".
Isn't the roots of Zionism a nationalist that came out of Germany and Austria? A type of nationalism connected to the idea of blood and race? Israel has long promoted home demolitions even when someone had nothing to do with violence because they wanted the land. It seizes land. Of course, so many of the youths are going to turn out that way. It feels falsely empowering to be able to conquer and enslave others. The Germans were seduced by the power of the Panzer divisions and conquering nations, as well, and talking about how people could look at the German people. What's the difference, I ask you? The Germans thought they knew who they were through the nationalism Hitler espoused. This echos in Israel.
You can bet that if the Palestinians were properly armed, Israelis wouldn't dare fight them. If they simply used fists and didn't have the backing of an army with guns, they would lose. They act as if they are strong and tough, but they're Zionist fascists drunk with some crazy, outdated nationalist dream while Europe and the US are afraid to say anything.
Many Israelis and their supporters talk about how the Palestinians are barbaric and who kidnaps teenagers. They are very blind to how their army behaves in the West Bank. How many innocent Palestinians has Israel killed over the years when there weren't and when there were cameras? The two men they're looking for may or may not be guilty, but how is that whole family guilty and that little girl and the father who has cancer and asthma. Imagine if that was your father who had cancer? Israelis just don't care and pretend their country is moral. You cannot reason with many of the Israelis when it comes to that. They just repeat that they have a democracy, Arab-Israelis are equal, the Arabs are violent and want the Jews dead, never mind that so many Arabs have been killed by Israel.
Israel pretends it's civilized, and that every Palestinian killed by the IDF deserves it. With that kind of behavior by the colonial regime of Israel it is only going to encourage an atmosphere where wandering settlers could get killed. In response, Israel says it should bomb. In that case, Israel would then kill some innocent Palestinians. When you bomb a people, demolish thousands of their homes, take their lands by force, have your army beat juveniles, arrest thousands of people and hold so many without a trial or evidence, have your soldiers kill people and let them get away with it, you are going to elicit some violence from the populace that's the target of such behaviors. I know the family and friends of the youth are mourning, but do Israelis think of Palestinians who mourn their innocents?
Obviously, it's bad news to hear those youths were murdered in cold-blood. They were defenseless, unarmed. It would be one thing if they were combatants. Yes, they were settlers and some people don't feel sympathy for settlers just as some Algerian militants didn't for the Pieds Noirs among them. The reality is Israel kills so many Palestinians including youths using many excuses, and it is quick to bomb Palestinians, which leads to the deaths of youths. It had some soldiers recently kill a couple of unarmed Palestinians, and the IDF defended it all. If Israel's Netanyahu says that it's all the fault of Hamas, and they will kill the leadership, which may have nothing to do with this, Israel's populace will cheer along blindly for such deaths. Netanyahu has done the opposite of championing peace, so, in a way, he's also responsible for the deaths of those young men. Israel risks lives of young soldiers and others for the sake of some nationalist extremism. It's all madness.
It's too bad some horrible idiots had to kill those youths.
I guess this gives me more of a reason to not like HP. I own a Toshiba, thankfully. I had one HP laptop years back, but that was the last time I got one. If they think helping an occupation is fine, then I wouldn't ever consider buying one in the future. If I saw a bargain for an HP and was looking, I would look the other way. The more customers find out about this, the more they will lose business. It would take time, however.
David Duke was associated, in the past with the KKK. We understand that. I don't know where he stands today; I am not really that interested in him. Is Goldberg stating that all those who support Israel have no racist views either among the Christian or Jewish supporters? I mean like at the owners of the LA Clippers. How much more racist can you get, and the owner was talking about how Israel treats black people without making any apologies about it. It's all ridiculous to ignore all that. By the way, many Zionists, in the distant past in Europe, met with anti-Semites for the sake of Zionist nationalism. It's not the first time Zionists were connected to racists. Did Goldberg forget about South Africa? I guess he did.
He probably thinks that the lives of 1 American or Jew (non-Muslims) are worth much more than that of the Arab Muslims or Christians. Like a ration of 1 to 1,000. People like that don't see the Palestinians as human beings. Rather, they're just a demographic threat.
It's kind of rich about how people say that addressing Israel's human rights abuses and corporations that profit from such abuse should not be dealt with as it would harm peace. It reminds me of wife beaters and their supporters who say you'll break up a family if you interfere, and that the fact that the husband is giving his wife black eyes is not germane. If you interfere, you're being against men and break up families and not help the woman. I can understand some Presbyterians voting for this because some don't want to offend Jews, but any Jewish rabbi ignoring the abuses or not doing much about it, support darkness, not the light.
You're missing the point. Yes, many Israelis know where certain words come from them and that they have co-opted a large chunk of the food, words, borrowed from Arabic grammar even in the past, dances, but they see no point in acknowledging the humanity of the Palestinians and to treat them like human beings. It is ridiculous. You borrow a ton of stuff from another civilization and see what they created as worthy of borrowing, but you don't see them as worthy of the human being label.
If Dershowitz and the majority of American Jews had been fighting for decades against Israel's racial and settlement policies, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Imagine if South Africa said people had no right to criticize Afrikaners because other countries were worse at that time. Also, Europe was under German control during WWII. Much of Europe suffered during the war. It was not like every European was in a position to save people in the camps. And haven't Jews had in their community people who engaged in bad behavior? As I recall, some of the most prominent slavers in the New World were Jewish. This is not a conspiracy; it's a fact. Many got rich by selling people, not just white Protestants or Catholics.
And what of some of the Jews in Poland who helped the Polish aristocracy to oppress Ukrainian peasants? What about the ancient history of the Jews who killed tons of other Semites, which many Israelis use today to justify themselves? And many call the Palestinians the Amalekites?
When you're a Palestinian-American, sometimes it's easy at all. There are different varieties of Palestinian-Americans. If you're a secular, liberal type who is not religious but can speak the language well and know the culture, you feel kind of caught between different things - an American culture held hostage by pro-Israeli political groups, the racism that they encourage, this idea that all people born Muslim are alike and identical, and the Arabs and Palestinians who insist you should also be identical and part of some mass group think. As John Legend said, we're all human beings. That's something to keep site of, and Palestinians deserve treatment as human beings. All people deserve human rights, and that d-bag who joked about it probably descends from some European group that was denied human rights by another European group. I doubt all his ancestors enjoyed human rights.
They are not boycotting their fellow Jews. That's inaccurate. They're boycotting a state i.e. Israel. That would be like if Ireland decided to boycott Catholic Croatia over human rights. It doesn't mean the Irish would be boycotting people based on religion and what not. If a black majority boycotts another does it mean they're boycotting all black people? No. Israel is not all Jews. This shouldn't be happening in America. Anyway, Israel violates so many human rights laws and behaves in a way that the US South did, if not worse, back in the 1950's. Didn't whites in the North go against that, as well, including Jews?
She was in the Haganah and some people were in the KKK and burned crosses. What's so good about having been in the Haganah?
You have a point, but the United States does recognize the Palestinian authority and doesn't go into the land being historically Jewish without mentioning any rights for the Palestinians, you chose to ignore that for some reason. It's one thing if he simply said "The United States doesn't recognize a Palestinian nor do we" and stopped there, but they engaged in a clear ethnic bias that seeks to completely ignore the indigenous people that were there before started leaving various parts of Europe and the Middle East (Jews) to settle in what was Palestine. They're human beings, and, furthermore, most of them have some Jewish ancestry from the ancient Jews who remained on the land. That's something huge that Israel firsters want to ignore. They are dispossessing people who are clearly native to the land. Ben Gurion recognized that.
Are you solid? Elliot Rodgers doesn't look either black or Hispanic. He's a Caucasian from England. If you want to say he's Jewish and Jews are not Caucasian, then you're being ridiculous. Caucasians are not only from Nordic countries.
Not exactly. There were pockets of Hebrew speakers during that time period. It wasn't completely a liturgical language as everyone believes. If he would have had knowledge of it, but he would have used Aramaic mostly.
He would have known both Aramaic and Hebrew, but he would have primarily spoken Aramaic. Some people did speak Hebrew, but it wasn't used so often. If Netanyahu said that Jesus knew Hebrew and Aramaic, then fine. Anyway, Jesus didn't care for hypocrites who spoke of being with God but harmed others.
Oh, give me a break. The Babylonians and Mesopatamians and others were associated with quite a long time ago. The Hebrews were late comers, civilization wise, in the region, and then he makes it seem as if they invented everything including windex.
Did he watch "My Big Fat Greek Wedding"?
Personally, I dealt with bein' at the airport for 6 hours. Other people of European background were kept, in some cases, for some hours. Frankly, I am one of those Palestinian-Americans who doesn't look to jump on the plane to go down there.
One major reason is the Israeli border folks. They're likely that anyone even allows them a visa to any part of the world consider the way the authorities behave. When you make it hard for people to visit their relatives, it's really cruel. I rarely visit. I was born in North America and feel a strong connection to America, but I like to show relatives, here-and-there, that I care and want to see them.
I definitely agree that there's a lot of injustice against African Americans and there has been since the beginning. However, today, they're citizens who have economic opportunity, we have a president who is African American, while a Muslim or Christian of Arab background can't hope to be elected. So many more white people in America feel an affinity with black people that Israelis just don't with Palestinians. Black people have a much larger percentage of white people who support them rather than the other way around. The Palestinians are fighting an occupation. African Americans are not. I don't see the struggle as identical. However, the system promotes the incarceration of African Americans because of America's desire to penalize people and find easy excuses to jail people of all races (but mostly minorities), which doesn't work, considering the history of victimizing African Americans and Native Americans. When you jail people for taking drugs, you are often victimizing people who have suffered so much and have been victims of something in their lives. You don't solve any social problems, you make things worse. African Americans were being used and exploited historically for their labor, not to destroy them, physically, but it took away from their humanity. Israel's not focusing on trying to exploit Palestinians, but, rather, to ethnic cleanse them like white settlers ethnic cleansed Native Americans, and they seek to do with American financing. Do both African Americans and Palestinians suffer from a lot of historical and present injustice? Most definitely. And I'm against the so-called "War on Drugs".
If we polled Polish people under German occupation during WWII, I wonder what kind of results we would have gotten? When whites enslaved black people, imagine if people saw white hating in the polls and pointed it to say black people are hateful. Imagine if Jews suffering under the Shoah had none of them having hateful feelings towards Germans? The Palestinians only know Jews who oppress them. They don't know much about people like Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein. They see their poverty and oppression. It's not Christian Greeks oppressing them. It's not German Christians, it's Israeli Jews, unfortunately. The source of the anti-Semitism in this case is people like Netanyahu. How dare they talk about racism when they're pursuing such racist policies. How many thousands of homes have they destroyed? It's like the KKK pointing at other people being racist. It's comical and ridiculous.
It's like asking a fox to guard the hen-house. The Israelis have long been ethnically cleansing Palestinians by removing them from their lands, destroying their homes, who's really going to care if people are murdered.
Now, if they killed 5 year old kids in a blatant way maybe Israelis would be upset, but, otherwise, there would be little fuss.
More is not needed to fight BDS. Rather, more is needed to fight Zionism Hasbara and B.S. Lauder has the nerve to talk about racism when a lot of the land owned by the JNF comes from the indigenous people who were ethnic cleansed, and he says nothing about the way Palestinians are treated. What criticisms of Israel does he think are fair?
Haaretz has reported this, various Jewish media outlets have reported it. Most Jews in America don't like people like Sperling and Adelson. Not that I'm saying Adelson thinks quite like Sperling, but the fact that Adelson cares nothing for Palestinians and their welfare and two states says enough about him. Every group has its racists no doubt.
A fellow like Sperling should know better since Jews encountered so much prejudice, and, ironically, many turned to basketball in the 1930's.
Yes, but you forget how Ethiopian Jews are treated in Israel. Did you forget how their blood is often rejected for transfusions. And some years ago, there blood was thrown away. No one said it had to accept an unlimited number of refugees, but the lynching and calling of black people animals by Knesset members is beyond the pale, and you downplay it. It would be a big deal if you were black and there, I suppose. However, since the shoe's on the other foot, you have the luxury of downplaying.
I guess you didn't read above when he referenced Israel and its treatment of black people. It's there up above. Look, face it. There's a lot of prejudice against black people in Israel in a very open way, without disguising it at all, and Donald Sperling mentioned the prejudice in Israel. The fact that Israel can openly lynch Africans in Tel Aviv like it's no big deal is serious. Sperling didn't condemn Israeli prejudice against black people. It talked about as if it's just something you have to accept, and you blow it off and ignore it.
I would add a correction. Black Jews are not Mizrahi Jews. Those are Falasha/African Jews. Mizrahi Jews are Jews originally from Iraq, Syria, and Yemen, though some of the Jews from Syria are technically Sephardic. The Mizrahi Jews and Sephardic Jews mixed in both Syria and Egypt and to a much lesser extent they mixed in with Ashkenazis who immigrated before 1948. The Ethiopian Jews are often treated horribly in Israel. They face intense discrimination.
And people like Pipes provide cover for people who seek to ethnic cleanse the Palestinians. Blumenthal has good intentions. Those who attack him have more in common with that shooter than Max does, believe it or not. They're right wing Jews, he is a right wing hater of Jews. They're related in a certain way through their hatred.
The Saudis are not under a democracy, and they were not polled by anyone regarding the issue. If you polled Saudis and asked them if they cared about the Arab-Israeli conflict, they would resoundingly say "Yes". It's true that some in the Gulf are indifferent because they don't share a border with Israel. The people featured have an ax to grind with Palestinians, and hate them and want to say "Well, see, other people hate them". And, unfortunately, many of those promoting hatred of Palestinians are American Jews in the media. They don't represent your average American Jew, they represent Zionists who want to vanquish the Palestinians and help Israel through the media to do so. Let's be honest about that.
The poster states that Jews have done things for black rights world-wide. How exactly? Yes, some Jews in various countries have fought against discrimination, but he doesn't represent the spirit of those Jews, and, I hate to break it to him, but Sephardic Jews and Dutch Jews were some of the biggest slavers of the New World. I They sold so many black people into slavery. I used to think it was just some BS story made up by the Nation of Islam, but the story has wheels. It happened. People speak of how Arabs dealt in slavery, but so did Jews. And Desmond Tutu is very much against prejudice and racism. Unfortunately, some Jews don't want to see the racism that's right in front of their face, just as some Arabs sought to ignore what the Sudan was doing to non-Arabs. That's not the world we need. We need a world that's more open and universal.
Who calls Desmond Tutu a neo-Nazi? One of the senior members of the ANC is a Jew, but he wouldn't like that poster at all; he's critical of Israel. And this idea that most Jews are darker than Palestinians must be some kind of joke. There are so many Russian, Polish, German, and Italian Jews in Israel.
I understand what you mean. I might work harder to present various points, but he did present various view points. Pro-Zionist speakers are never asked by universities to be "balanced" in Canada or the U.S. Only when speakers are dealing with views that show what's happening to Palestinians in relation to international law, ethnic displacement and what not, do things become controversial because the Palestinians are meant to be viewed as inferior and various donors bought their lives. Their investments in the universities also entail buying academic freedom only for their side and paying for what lives or property are taken from the Palestinian side. And that's the rub, I'm afraid. This is much to do with racism, I'm afraid. It's one thing if the pro-Israeli speakers were always required to be balanced. It's as if Israelis cannot be criticized and there's something holy about it.
It's ironic that the US criticizes Turkey and says its banning of twitter is like 21st century book burning when so many people who want to talk about the bad situation Palestinians face just cannot. So much for freedom in America, eh?
It is considered acceptable in America to say whatever horrible things you want to say about Palestinians or Arabs because they're considered, to some extent, subhuman by the political establishment, and, in large measure, due to the influence of Israel's friends in America. If one said the same kind of thing about Jews, it would NOT be printed. This fellow has the nerve to talk about Arabs and genocide when Israel has a history of having ethnic cleansed 700,000 people only in 1948, and, since 1967, it has destroyed over 27,000 homes in the West Bank. It's very much the pot calling the kettle black. Certain Israelis and their Zionist forces will talk about genocide and live in some alternative universe where no homes belonging to innocent Palestinians are destroyed, and that Israel follows international law, but the UN is irrelevant. On what basis do they base international law and their sense of morality I remember a former of Bosnia talking about how we need to all have a moral compass pointing to justice. So many of Israel's friends are pointing their compass in the direction from which extreme Serbian nationalism came from. It's the same kidn of thing, the same kind of dark hatred. The Serbians demonized the much weaker Bosnians, as well.
The indigenous minority that existed in 1948 didn't want so many "infiltrators" either. The Africans are not seeking to create an African state and expel people. I understand the idea that they want to keep a Jewish state, and an increase in other ethnic groups and non-Jews would reduce the percentage of Jewish people and there would be demands to give the Africans citizenship. I don't think states can simply accept economic or political refugees on a very large scale, but people should have a right to asylum if they make it. The US doesn't want massive illegal immigration, but you don't hear about these massive mobs of people lynching people like you see in these videos. I wish humanity was part of one prosperous Earth. Even if you don't want certain people in your country, they are still people. I believe the Sudan is no longer in a state of war. However, I heard Eritrea still persecutes people very readily.
While I understand your point about there being a large community, but he speaks of prejudice while ignoring the prejudice the Palestinians. How can he have the gall to praise Israel and refer to values and racism when ignoring the openly racist statements the Palestinians deal with from Israeli politicians? Yes, I understand there are 1,000,000 Jews in the city, but no mayor should be saying that he's open to the British, French, or Israeli lobby. It's a de facto foreign lobby, though de jure wise, it's a domestic one. I think we need to limit the influence of all lobby groups whether it connects to corporations or foreign policy groups. The American public, at large, is being taken on a ride to various wars it doesn't want to get into. I get the point that one needs to show one's sensitive to major communities in one's city, what Israel is doing to the Palestinians and their families is repugnant. How do American Jews really need that? And many in AIPAC have been butting heads with many Jews over taking Bibi's idea of going against Obama over Iran after all Obama has done for Israel. And you can't say he hasn't done much. He has given more financial and military aid to Israel than any other recent American president. It's a fact.
Well, Israel has banned Norman Finkelstein, who's Jewish, from entering Israel for 10 years, and they gave Noam Chomsky, who is also Jewish, a hard time. It is not supporting academic freedom. Many of Israel's supporters say that Israel is being singled out while Israel is singled out to have the most foreign aid in the world when it's not a poor country. It is singled out as America's most important ally though England has provided troops in 2-3 wars America launched in the past 20 years or so. Yet, it wasn't singled out as America's major ally. Israel was. The point is if you're violating human rights, then you have to change your behavior.
This group does not represent the whole Jewish community. They represent a political group, organization. We don't have a poll of the community. I understand your anger, but let's not use profanity against a whole group no matter how angry someone might be at any side. I do think more Jews need to wake up to the human rights situation caused by a certain state rather than being offended by a map. Would they rather the map showing what Palestinians have minus the settlements? That would look more offensive to other, perhaps.
With all due respect, Mcohen, you're speculating. You don't have pronouncements from Abbas stating that. On the contrary, both Hamas and the PLO said they recognize 242, but Israel refuses to accept 242. That's what gives BDS more fuel for their political fire. You're implying that the Palestinians' statements can't be trust, but how has Israel been a trustworthy partner when it seizes land and destroys homes after having signed Oslo?
Not only that, Olmert's government had certain proposals, then his successors just ignore that. When Hamas initially had a similar for a brief period, sanctions were on them like flies on honey, but it never happened to Israel. Israel keeps moving the goal posts and then says the Arabs are not trustworthy. How is Israel trustworthy when it keeps acting thus? Many Palestinians would accept one state where there's a constitutional guarantee for religious freedom for all. You're assuming everyone insists on some Muslim domination thing. You're engaging in propaganda, I'm afraid.
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