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Vilification of Jews historically had numerical consequences... in terms of immigration levels, admissions to colleges of higher education, as well as admission to many blue blood law firms in NYC. You cannot formally discriminate in such a manner today, but you can informally do so. Immigration is another matter. Here the government can and does discriminate. 9/11 led to security based discrimination that really hasn't been seen in this country since 1919. Muslims are especially helpless targets after events such as Boston or 9/11. They are easily identified, unprotected, and can be targeted through guilt by association.
On the other side of the coin, Muslim integration in American life is a success story in terms of areas such as the medical profession and other professions. I can speak first hand on medicine. Nothing breaks down suspicion and bias like having a family member successfully treated by a physician who happens to be Muslim. I see it every day in a very rural part of America. This appears to be especially true of Palestinian physicians as they are well represented in the US.
From reading the comments and updates and other news sites, I still don't understand what the hell happened. Last I checked, motor neuron disease does not turn a genius into a human, Rorschach test for either BDS or zionism. Fortunately(or unfortunately depending on your point of view)ALS does not typically impact cognition.
At any rate, no matter his views on BDS, I love Professor Hawking, but I'll never forgive Elvis Costello or Pink Floyd. The magnificent talent of Justin Bieber would not relent to BDS(or Madona) or Bobby Brown =)
Assad opponents constantly bringing up Professor Landis wife's religion is an example of vilification by association. Their is a tremendous amount of vilification and stigmatization of the Alawite faith as the bogeyman of Syria, almost displacing the eternal bogeymen, the Jew. Bringing up the religion of Professor Landis wife is akin to bringing Nazis bringing up the faith of FDR advisors in the 1930's. The argument is not made to merely question his fairness, but to tar him with evil itself. It is ironic that vilification of Alawites is starting to mirror vilification of Jews.
I preferred Ron Silver in Reversal of Fortune to the real Dersh. The cover of Mondoweiss now has an awesome pic of the Dersh... looks like he's a bit dyspeptic after a big mac.
Was Hafez Assad's attack on Hamma sectarian? Many Syrians would argue sectarianism has been alive and well in Syria for forty years! Gamel Nasser accused Hafez Assad of creating a sectarian conflict within Syria before I was born.
Again, I used to completely dismiss Annie's point of view on the Syrian Government and the whole false flag deal, but, I've come to the conclusions with Syria:
1. There are no heros or saints here with no blood on their hands(government or Jihadists.
2. In my judgement, the future of Syria would be more respectful of minority rights(and secular)under Assad.
3. While there is a secular opposition to Assad. They have either been killed, sidelined, or, more important, so insignificant in terms of power/numbers as opposed to the Jihadis, you could liken them to the power of the Israeli Communist party. The "secular guys" live in Milan or DC! like the "secular guys" in Libya.
4. Everybody has proxy interests in Syria with complex, nuanced positions. Sunni--Shia, Iran--Israel, Russia--US, Iran--Gulf States.
IL1948.... Click on my name dude here. I'm a well known pro-Israeli guy on this site(Hasbara--LOL). Annie is fair to my point of view and my 'Jewdar' of Annie is 0.00 percent on the anti-semite meter. Chill. IL1948, dude, she's the only one here who has covered the Syria issue on Mondoweiss... repeatedly. I may not agree with her all of her conclusions on Syria, but she has not avoided Syria. Perhaps your accusations of journalistic integrity should be aimed elsewhere.
Annie, this is from a poster on MoonofAlabama's recent piece: It sort of rings true. link to moonofalabama.org
No, but the last video shows the gigantic scale of the attack. The next morning there is an video showing some sort of chicken clucking away on top of utter destruction. On the one hand, the Syrians are truthfully claiming the Israelis did the strike, but, falsely claiming that they hit useless targets like a chicken coup, gas station, research facility. I believe the Syrians are hiding what was destroyed and the Israelis are remaining mum. What is going around the Syrian twitter rumor mill is that Maher Assad's elite reserve units were hit.
Annie, yes I do believe that rockets were targeted and this is in Israel's interest, but the scale of the blasts tells me this is more than hitting weapons headed for Lebanon. And I believe Jordanian/Turkish/Saudi/gulf arab states intel inside of Syria is superior to Israel. Could be a simple collusion of interests in a dysfunctional world.
Al Manar would appear to resemble FOX news. The B role shows utter devastation as far as the eye can see, except for a few unscathed roosters!
ToivioS, Egypt have condemned the strike as has the Arab League. But little public outcry. Pro forma stuff. Do you really believe there will be mourning in the arab street for elite Alawite units being eliminated? This may also be a calculation by the Syrian neighbors to end the conflict sooner rather than later. By wiping out Assad's elite troops/weapons/command structure, you could tip the balance against him. The level of vitriol expressed by Edrogan against Assad today makes me thinks the strikes are not over and that all options are on the table against Syria. Assad hasn't exactly acted in a saintly manner towards Sunni Muslims in the past two years. How much sympathy can he elicit on the arab street?
It could be a fraction of the entire reason. Turkey, Israel, and Jordan may be fearful of latest Assad military success over the past few weeks.
link to hurriyetdailynews.com
Hopefully, this link works. I believe the Turkish leaders comment is being drowned out in the midst of the Israeli air strike. I believe the Syrians, the Israelis, and the Jordanians have been carefully sharing intel and are coordinating between themselves and among Assad's foes.
Some of the targets may not be revealed initially. I believe Turkey gave Israel a laundry list of high-value targets to include here, aimed at tipping the balance. Don't forget that Assad has lately been on a military role, while keeping his most Alawite Republican guards in reserve. I do not believe Israel would have done this specific set of targets without Turkish--Israeli talks and the Israeli apology.
After the Israeli apology, Netanyahu and others said it was all about Syria. I didn't get it at the time. I do now. Yes, Israeli obviously hit an arms depot. But, they also hit key targets out of reach to the FSA. This was a key, unpublicized, part of the Syrian--Israel agreement. A private understanding.
Israel, Jordan, and Turkey concluded Assad will do nothing in response. He has his hands full at home.
Annie, there is something surreal about the arabic 'god is great' chant in response to the IDF strike on the Mount Qassioun complex. Al Manar(and RT initially) also claimed two IDF pilots were captured and the entire raid's main outcome was to decimate a poultry farm, showing razed chickens.
The Islamophobes are also making hay with the numbers here: link to fbi.gov
Awesome. The level of athletic commitment and training in today's world raises the bar for anybody to get into the NFL. Look at how fast these guys run a 40 yard dash, or lift compared to even ten years ago. As for his measurements. He's 6 foot five and over 300 pounds but, in the pictures, I see absolutely no fat. No one is born that good. It took unbelievable hard work. Unlike other NFL players, he appears to be quite smart as well.
The question of how was he radicalized and did the Mosque do it assumes a. their attacks were religiously inspired(this has not been established)-ie did David Berkowitz' religion inspire his murders or his belief that a rabid dog instructed him to kill, and b. assuming that their attacks were religiously inspired an American Mosque is not the place for such radicalization to fester(the internet probably would be).
Yes, the brothers were Muslim, but the entire thing looks strange and bizarre to be a religiously inspired event. It looks as weird as the batman murders. How does killing marathon runners, spectators further any type of goals? It looks to me that the older brother was off his rocker and led his more impressionable brother into mayhem.
In retrospect, you could see the goals of the 9/11 attackers, but what possible goal would an attack on a marathon accomplish? It is every bit as weird as the Batman attacks. I feel very sorry for these brothers uncle.
Annie, all hell is breaking loose in the Boston area right now. Cops down(more than one)and car chase with bombs and shootout. It's on the police scanners tonight.
Kalithea, America, land of dreams, you can smell the racism in the air...
unlike Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Palestine... true respect for dissent in said lands... LOL. Give it a rest.
Lovely, intellectual people with kind hearts.
link to jpost.com
BDS is a joke. When the leader of Hamas' little sister gets treated by Jewish doctors within Israel, is this a violation of BDS? What if the treating Jewish physician lives one inch across the sacred green line? As Norman Finkelstein describes it: "it's a cult...." Can't get any more succinct than that. I think he compared it to Maoism. LOL!
As for being a Palestinian invention, color me skeptical. It seems more like a bunch of privileged, leftist, lunatics.
seafoid, you should read Syrian Comment and Enduring America's report on how the other half lives in Allepo. That staunch arm of the "heroic resistance" against the zionist enemy had 6,000 confirmed kills last month. Unless Salafism is a new varient of zionism, one might ask if zionism is the height of evil, the cause of man's dark side, then what do you call the regime of Bashar Assad?
How do you begin to contemplate that degree of evil? Granted, Mr. Assad is not a zionist and he is not a colonialist, and, like Hitler, he doesn't much like religion and is a staunch secular guy.
We live in an absurdist world with idiots with malice in their heart, with heads full of nothing but venom.
I thought it was an April fool's announcement at first. Maybe Mr. Waters and 'Rev' Tutu are studying the 6,000 dead Syrian statistic last month and wondering if was a typo? BDS or just BS?
Nice Dickerson. Does the Khazar stuff ever get old. Does the playbook ever get old, or is just recycling garbage ad nauseam. Using your logic, Israel be 'ok' if its Jews were really Jews and semites and not Khazars?
As full disclosure, I'm not comfortable with being called chosen, Tikkun olam kind of scares me since to me that such an ideal could be grossly misused, but the concept of repentance and it's centrality to Judaism does greatly appeal to me. But again, this is a universal concept in all religions I believe. The very concept of Jihad is a form of repentance as is the entire New Testament. I liked Abraham Heschel precisely because he moved away from Orthodox Judaism to a more universal message and he had a towering intellect and supported the civil rights movement, opposed Viet Nam.
But the question is now what I believe, but what does President Obama believe. I'm starting to believe he is our first Jewish President(did Norman Finkelstein posit this?).
Another case in point from today's Passover wishes: "As my family and I prepare to once again take part in this ancient and powerful tradition, I am hopeful that we can draw upon the best in ourselves to find the promise in the days that lie ahead, meet the challenges that will come, and continuing the hard work of repairing the world,"
In this sentence, he identifies especially with the concept of penitence the penitent, Tikkun olam... on the one hand the concept of drawing upon the best in ourselves(turning towards god, god hears the penitent's pray above others ect...ect...) and the concept of Tikkun olam or healing or repairing the world.
Is this donor bait, or is it his heart? or a little of both. I believe his words and actions suggest this represents not only his heart, but also with extension to his identification and support of Israel.
Question to Phil. Phil, is it possible that you and MJ Rosenberg(and Norman Finkelstein among others) have it wrong. Your thesis(please correct me if I'm wrong)is Obama is deeply neutral to crypto-hostile to Israel. He only talks the talk and walks the walk because of the lobby and its power.
I guess my retort is what is a second term for but to show your true side.
1. First foreign trip... Israel.
2. Increases iron dome spending at every intervel.
3. He isn't running for anything anymore and I seriously doubt he gives a rats ass who runs congress if truth be known and this point needs to be taken into account.
4. He conflates zionism with Judaism as friends(and foes)of Israel does with abandon, and ties the two together, almost into a unitary force. One would be hard pressed to see the distinction between zionism and Judaism if you watched any of Obama's speeches in Israel.
5. Despite having a horses ass as Prime Minister of Israel to deal with as Obama does, he not only makes the best of it, and has learned how to deal with him.
6. Despite tying the settlements with negotiations, he jettisoned this approach on his trip to Israel.
7. Working with Israel on Iran in a much more layered approach than Bush did.
8. At the UN and on his trip to Israel, when it counts, Obama does back Israel up. He especially addresses the entire boycott issue with his strong support of Israel. By showcasing the positive, diverse aspects of Israel, he increases the current against BDS. Whether this is by design or chance is another question, and whether you agree with BDS or oppose it, love or hate Israel is not my point.
9. Increased dramatically the aid to Israel in terms of military partnership.
10. From his standpoint, he seems to conflate Israel and Judaism. And many of his professional friendships in the past 6-8 years have been Jews. Rahm et al.
11. He conflates the civil rights movement with the history of Judaism, both in text with rabbis marching in the '60's but also from a theoretical standpoint with moral teachings.
Again, my point here is not to necessarily posit these points regarding Judaism. I am a zionist and a Jew, but realize one can be one without the other. I also realize that American Jewry did not completely support the civil rights movement, although there were guiding forces such as the late, great rabbi A. Heschel whose book The Prophets influenced Dr. King and others.
I encourage others not to debate my points, but my thesis. I mean what election is Obama running for? Is it possible as I believe that he is a zionist, a zionist who conflates Israel and Judaism, a zionist whose favorite holiday is Passover, a zionist with a keen identification with the civil rights movement and it's biblical underpinning, a zionist with a deep understanding of the Holocaust and its impact on history, a zionist whose closest friends and peers are Jewish?
Jimmy Carter has done just fine as an ex-President without Jewish donors... many arab donors have filled in just fine. I always felt a visceral antipathy regarding Carter and the Jews. Obviously, I've never felt this about Obama. I believe Cornell West made some mention how Obama's friends are all Jewish(not black men as he puts it) and Rev. Wright made mention about how it's hard to reach Obama due to his Jewish friends.
Long winded, but my thesis is that Obama is deeply philo-semitic and a zionist, whereas Phil, MJ Rosenberg, Finkelstein and others see Obama as only acting this way to please the donors. I guess it's kind of like the ink blot test =)
Warm words from a nice guy....
link to qassam.ps
President Obama expressing his love for Israel, the US brokered Edgrogan--Bibi make out session. Not a good week for the cause of BDS.
Chu, do you realize that trade between Turkey and Israel is very strong. There was never an economic boycott of Turkey for Israeli products or the reverse. Economic trade... measured in dollars... is quite high. Intelligence which we cannot measure is also most likely close. As for Israeli tourists, there are regions of Turkey which will absolutely love this news. Turkey and Israel remain natural allies... and President Obama facilitated the nuptials and kiss.
Turkey and Israel need one another regarding one crucial issue, Syria. As Syria implodes, Turkey and Israel both face a new hostile, dangerous border and neighbor. Syria's zero neighbor problem is no more, the Kurds are increasingly restless, Israeli's quiet Golan border is no more. To say Edrogan is now a zionist is farce judging from his comments just days ago.
Obviously Israel and Syria have been cooperating very closely on the intel level in the past year while publicly hostile. For Obama to mediate such a phone call(if true), shows he is a true friend of Israel and a zionist at heart(as I've suspected all along).
Onion is getting better and better. I almost spit out my cereal when I read Iron Dome story.
Maybe Obama went there to meet Miss Israel. This isn't on the Onion(yet), but isn't so difficult to believe when you see her on video. Phil, men have probably traveled more than this for a date. Just a thought.
This is the trend I worry most about in Israel, the middle east, and within the US. I find no redeeming qualities in religion itself. Also, Annie, another disturbing trend of Palestinians, Israelis, Syrians, Egyptians I've met... the secular, highly educated often move to the US, the crazies stay. I thought those signs in Hebrew admonishing Jewish woman "to be modest" were a weird joke.
Perhaps the best religious solution would be if alien life was discovered, rendering God moot. While I'm proud of my Jewish heritage, I'm deeply unsettled by religious zealots of any stripe.
In studying today's comments on Mondoweiss, I must admit to a keen and unhealthy sense of 'mondofreude' which I should be ashamed of. Also, query to seafoid: what's so bad about a hungarian folk song? I'm of partially of Hungarian descent. My wife and many others make fun of this, casting aspersions as if Hungarians are the hicks of Europe. Not cool. Tokay wine rocks as well.
One last aside, I have debated vigorously Annie on Mondoweiss on many issues in a heated manner. I find her(as much as you can tell based on the internet)as a very nice person with a good sense of humor who happens to have a different point of view from my own. She is not a hater, an anti-semite, or crazy. I feel a previous poster attacked her in a manner that was not deserved. I am also very fearful of Obama's safety on his visit. There are too many religious, nut cases on all sides.
Annie, is this the same pope who was a nazi whose youthful picture in seig heil salute is floating around the net? or the same Pope who could be indicted for his 'handling' of pedophilia within the Church? That Pope?
This is the single most infuriating column and comments I have ever read on Mondoweiss.net and I've read each story with interest, humor, praise, or scorn, but this takes the cake. I've got absolutely nothing against this young couple in particular. Wasn't there also a case in the US where a leading Muslim intellectual was denied entry to teach(the grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood) a few years back. I don't recall a good reason or rationale to deny this man entry? Weren't thousands of US citizens kicked out of the US around 1919(mostly Jews punted back to Russia)for being communists.
Is there another county on this planet that never, ever screws over dissidents by denying them entry. Israel did the same thing to Chomsky and Finkelstein et al. Whether you approve of it or not, it is hardly unique in any possible regard.
How is this article different than one that explores how Israeli prostitutes are sometimes abused and hooked on drugs, that there are criminals in Israeli society, scam artists, selfless dissidents, rapists, people who devote their life to science, government officials who detest the occupation, craven government officials who love Netanyahu. In this respect, how is it that Israel is different than any other country?
Annie, others, I'm listening. Sincerely I am. Annie is obviously an activist, presumably of the left, but open minded. I support Israel on many topics and am proud of her, but we are both US citizens. Should be be tarred and feathered together as "US lackeys" even though we have diametrically distinct attitudes?
I fail to see what is it in this article that postulates something unique or even bad about Israel as compared to EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD IN THE COURSE OF HUMAN HISTORY!
Phil, it looks like the hate Israel/Kreplach Soup crowd also was dealt a body blow with the death of the lovely progressive Hugo Chavez... RIP. I don't think Maduro has the stuff to extend the revolution. He did blame Chavez cancer on a US/imperialist operation and mentioned the demise of Arafat as a form of proof.
Hagel and Barak making out. Hugo Chavez gone... what's next for the anti-Israel crowd? Locusts?
Judging from the televised man hug between Hagel and Barak today... perhaps, Ramzi, Hagel is trying to compensate for 'the Jewish thing' and 'the gay thing' in one photo op =)
Phil began his conversion due to neoconservative dominance of our foreign policy establishment vis-a-vis WMD and Iraq. Now, it's the Jews running Hollywood. The only difference I can find here between David Duke's 'evolution' and phil's is one makes a increasingly tenuous distinction between Jews and Zionists, one(Duke)makes no distinction.
Annie, I'm honestly shocked to see you calling for censoring my point of view? Because it is an alien point of view, does not mean it should not be heard.
If the late Rabbi Kahane called for the expulsion or extermination of Palestinians, how is he different from Hitler? One is Jewish. One hates Jews. Is it wrong to call such a person a nazi because he is a Jew. I'm not comparing Phil Weiss to David Duke. I am comparing his post to many youtube posts on Jewish control of Hollywood. Does Phil get a special break from having his posts compared to David Duke because a "liberal" cannot possible be a hater?
Annie, why would you censor the simple question of how Phil's post differs from David Duke? How are their arguments different? Yes, one uses better grammar and one used to wear white sheets, but both seem to worry about excessive Jewish influence in American life. Both appear to be hyper sensitive to any possible objection to the projectile vomit discourse of how the Jews control the world meme.
How can you have a discussion concerning an ethnic groups predominance in an industry and then stop? I didn't realize that is how history works. I thought that usually talk leads to action.
Using the k word, the n word, talking about reverse discrimination, lambasting arabs, gays... whatever... obviously there is a freedom to discuss these issues if you have the stomach to do so, but isn't there also a responsibility to be aware of the historical context? If you talk to a black person about why they shouldn't have any type of affirmative action, and you ignore the history of slavery or persecution as historical precursors for why there might be a need for such a law, what does that say about your humanity.
To protest the actions of Israel is one thing. To protest for Palestinian rights is another thing. To bemoan the influence of Jews in Hollywood seems to be quite another thing entirely. Sadly, haters simply conflate all three issues into one.
David Duke mirrors your desire to talk about Jewish control over Hollywood. Phil, don't you realize this. Is it really needed? Phil, would you call it racist to talk about African American dominance in sprinting or basketball? What would you call a highly educated pundit who talks and questions in a serious manner the dominance of Africans and African Americans in sprinting and basketball? I believe you would call him a racist; and you would be right. What's so different about Hollywood and Jews?
The debate and question has history, dating back to Jews representation in 'control' over the economy, our higher education institutions, our government.
How about the great Sally Field in her role in 'Not without my daughter' which I've come to learn is a true story about an American woman who wasn't exactly treated that well in the decidedly post-Orientalist Iran. Was her story also Orientalist Porn, and when the holy government of Iran strings up homosexuals... is that Hasbara, orientalist porn, or the sad truth? Thanks.
5 Broken Cameras was fantastic. Talk about an interesting, micro-lowbudget picture. There were two movies looking at the same thing from a different perspective, hence 5 Broken Cameras didn't have a chance. Gatekeepers and Broken Cameras perhaps cut each other out in the voting is my guess.
How can you diagnose heart failure at autopsy? The best you can do is to find a thrombosis in the artery/sometimes spasm indicating a heart attack. An enlarged heart or enlarged left ventricle indicates chronic heart failure which occurs over the course of years, not days. Some sort of electrical disturbance in the heart would not be diagnosed at autopsy nor would heart failure... only a heart attack which would not be expected in a young man, nor would a stroke.
Question here. Wouldn't there have been some internal video tape made? Also for the Australian-Mossad agent, it seems weird that video tapes are not made/used for a very wide variety of reasons.
What is wrong with this age-old pattern?
Did the Spanish Inquisition solve the Jewish problem, did the Final Solution? Does Israel? Will the absence of Israel solve the Jewish Problem?
My only Jewish problem is where to find good cheesecake in Little Rock. As far as I can see, there is no Jewish problem, just as there is no black or Muslim problem... to paraphrase a learned rabbi from another generation, you simply have an eye problem.
Was that funny? Only a few laughs at the donkey sex, but it was lumbering IMHO.
Lorne 'Lipowitz' Michaels was born on a Kibbutz in Israel so maybe he might be receiving directives from the ghost of Golda Meir.
Old news... he is. visiting in the Spring according to Haaretz.
Is Obama visiting Israel around Passover? or so I heard today.
The Gatekeepers and 5 Broken Cameras are both available for streaming as well as for purchase on Netflix. So is the well-made Beaufort and, I believe, Kippur. 5 Broken Cameras was much better than The Gatekeepers which might be renamed The Talking Heads. Netflix is getting better in its selections.
Are you saying McCain is a kind of a dick? Point taken.
Certain California biotechnology companies in the neurological sector, but nothing in the military scene. Some of them have been awarded DARPA grants, but that's for keeping pilots up for 24-48 hours with amphetamine-like drugs, but zilch to do with Israeli controlled American military small-caps! But I'm game! The only Israeli company I've ever bought stock in was Pharmos, but that was a true turd.
Hagel appeared confused, disjointed. He could not answer many basic questions. There is nothing wrong for the US defense secretary to dislike Israel. There is something wrong with his ability to enunciate his points or even to understand Obama's basic policy goals.
If this was a display of The Lobby's power, maybe they slipped something into his water.
Deepa, I very much enjoyed your piece. It was extremely thought provoking but I approach the message differently than you when you write:
"For a film maker of Bigelow’s talent it is shocking to see such unambiguous “good guys” and “bad guys.” The only way to be brown and not to be a villain in her narrative is to be unflinchingly loyal to the Americans, as the translator working for the CIA is. The “good Muslim” does not question, he simply acts to pave the way for American interests."
How does the film make the US good guys when they are bashing, beating and torturing numerous individuals who at least believe in something. I cannot fathom how an objective viewer could see the initial torture scene and not be revolted. It is unclear what the motivation for Maya is outside of personal retribution for the murder of her CIA colleague station chief who was murdered in a suicide bombing near the Pakistani border.
I think the film shows the CIA version of events, but it is hard not to have respect for the Jihadists who are portrayed as devout believers. While the movie was fast paced, I fail to see what the CIA operators actually believe in.
I also too her comment about Pakistan being kind of fucked up more to towards the corrupt nature of the government and the ISI and their dealings with the US. This is a distinct issue from the Muslim religion. Note also how Maya charges the ISI 'fucked' her voice by publicly outing him.
Maya, if recruited out of high school, could have been due to proficiency in some language? This is just my guess but why at this age? She was also at the Marriott Hotel bombing in Pakistan. This hotel was frequented by spies. She was shot at.
I'm no detective, but the filmmakers and assorted literary profiters have provided more than enough clues to guess at her actual identity which I think I've done correctly but I will obviously not post what I've come up with. Another very interesting tidbit on Maya, is that the female lead actor in Homeland is modeled after her and met her at CIA headquarters according to the actress.