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I hope that Kirk will demonstrate that he is not racist bigot by demanding that the Israeli government end the so-called "right of return" for Jews as all the Jews who were alleged to have been expelled by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple are long since dead and their descendants many generations later should not be defined as refugees if the children of Palestinian refugees are to be reclassified.
When first posted, Phil's name was attached to this. Then it was corrected.
Cornish pasty - the best advert for vegetarianism I've ever known. Have you ever really looked at the meat or at least what is alleged to be meat in one!
BTW, you should try a butter pie from up North - Pebby's in Great Ecc do one with a truly sublime filling although their pastry could do with some lard in it! Now a hot butter pie with a piece of Cream Lancashire cheese melted on top is a national dish to be proud of and I'm a bloody Yorkshireman by parentage.
BTW, that is the real shame about Israel - the Zionists kissed the British arse while the Palestinians tried to rebel against the British back in 1936ish. If the Zionists had fought alongside the Palestinians against the British imperialist.......................
While you're in London, take a trip to Beigal Bake (that is the correct spelling!!!!!) at the top end of Brick Lane. Try either one of their filled beigals (yes, that is the correct spelling) or one of their salt beef (corned beef to you) sandwiches on rye with hot English mustard (a truly life-changing experience but I'm not paying your cardiologist's bill) It says a lot about London, although I haven't worked quite what yet.
ps It's not kosher.
So were they arguing that once purchased by a Jew, that land is owned in perpetuity by all Jews? BTW, perhaps they could show us the deeds that Abraham bought just to show they still have title in law rather than from the barrel of a gun! Perhaps they could also show us the entries in the land registers for Palestine for this purchase.
They should have used a dog and pony instead!
Give the guy a break - after all he is the only Jewish House Republican - having to put up with all those rabidly anti-Semitic Zionists would make any Jew paranoid, I guess.
And now you have rabbis and Danny Dayan lining up to condemn the action - not of the IDF soldier but the behaviour of government officials for suspending the soldier.
"But instead you chose to protest against Israel, the Middle East's sole democracy, where women are equal, the press criticizes the government, human rights organizations can operate freely, religious freedom is protected for all and minorities do not live in fear"
Phil - I think this is a parody piece - no-one, not even the Israeli government or its leaders, can seriously believe any of the above claims except perhaps for Pamela Geller.
Mossad are stupid! One time they were capable but now, I don'think so. One of the dangers of hubris. After all the police in Dubai managed to identify 26 (I believe) Mossad operatives after the killing of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh and the police in Lebanon have managed to capture a large number of Mossad operatives spying on Hezbollah.
Let's not forget the lovable cheeky-chapie little rogues who came up with these.
Who is the more evil of Bales and Merah? Compare and contrast, including all the media coverage.
BTW, the Afghan authorities have stated that this Mohamed Merah is not the one who escaped from a prison in Afghanistan although he does appear to have been arrested by Afghan police and handed over to US authorities who returned him to France.
Perhaps Mr Burston would like to answer this question:
Does he believe the the British and Americans should have foregone the strategic bombing campaign against Germany in World War 2? After all, bombing at that time was as about as accurate as the rocket fire from Gaza is today and was, regardless of claims by its proponents, squarely aimed at killing and terrorizing the civilian population of Germany. The "throw weight" of the RAF and USAAF could be measured in thousands of tons rather than the few kilograms that the Gazans can deliver.
Since he is concerned about the accuracy of the rockets from Gaza perhaps he would like to demand that Gaza be supplied with more accurate rockets so that the world can clearly see how the Gazans are attacking civilian populations. Perhaps 30-40 batteries of M240 MRLS with XM30 missiles would do. After all these are accurate to within feet. Or if the United States won't supply the Gazans, how about allowing the Russians to supply several hundred Iskanders (accuracy about 5m) . Until he agrees to this, his argument is meaningless.
Another idiot member of the hasbara brigade - The Iranians need uranium enriched to 20% to fuel a nuclear reactor that creates radio isotopes for medical treatments. They tried to obtain this from the west in exchange for the equivalent amount of low enriched uranium but the idiots in the White House thought they could stiff Iran so reneged on the deal that Turkey and Brazil had made with Iran.
Although Uranium enriched to above 20% is described as highly enriched and is capable of use in a very large inefficient fission device, most atomic bombs including those held by the Israelis are typically enriched to 80% or more.
So Israel attacks Iran and a few planes get shot down. Does Israel really expect to be able to rescue them all? Does Israel really expect that Iran will ever return these war criminals for free? How much will it cost
Israelthe United States to gain the release of these prisoners?The Ron Arad case demonstrates that Israel is psychotic. You send aircraft to attack a neighbouring country one of which is shot down and then murder nationals of another country because it is possible that the other country is holding one of those shot down.
It's not like this is the first time Saveur have done this. For example, from the October 2009 article, Israeli Condiments:
Originally an Yemeni condiment.
Originally an Iraqi and Indian condiment.
Shipka peppers originated in Bulgaria. Maybe the Israelis will now claim Bulgaria as part of the Jewish homeland! Perhaps that's why Bulgaria abstained in the recent Palestine vote at the UN.
Greek, Turkish and Arab condiment, although I'm sure a few Ashkenazim will claim a central European origin!
BTW, why are non-Jewish Americans increasingly buying kosher food? Let's face with modern refrigeration, kosher is a scam to allow rabbis to collect a decent wage.
And it's not just Saveur that allows Israelis to misappropriate things - for example, from a press release from the WSJ's Marketwatch website:
Actually, they were discovered in the West Bank and stolen by the Israelis. Funny how there are continuing demands for the restitution of Jewish property stolen by the Nazis and others, yet the Israelis are not prepared to restore items they have stolen from other parties.
What or where is this "Arab Nation"? Does it have a flag? Does it have a government? Does it have a seat on the UN? Of course, it has none of these as there is no such thing as an Arab Nation, except in the fevered mind of Zionists and salafists! The minister is using the term to justify the ethnic cleansing and genocide (admittedly slow) that the Israelis are perpetrating against the Palestinians who might speak Arabic but certainly have little in common genetically with Saudis, Omanis, etc. from the Arabian Peninsula. The term "Arab Nation" is used to deny the existence of Palestinians and to support the claims of the "Jewish ethnicity" (if it really exists distinct from their religious identity) to a "Jewish State" and as such, its use should be rejected.
This Bed Bath & Beyond issue is nothing, it is totally insignificant compared with Whole Foods in Foggy Bottom including Matzoh in its Hanukkah display! Call Abe Foxman! Bring the UNSC into special session! Forget that! Bring the UNGA into special session so that they can "unite for peace" and declare a no-fly-zone over Whole Foods in Foggy Bottom! It is time for regime change at Whole Foods.
Let's rewrite this a bit:
And we all know where that ended.
Well, she couldn't allow the Israelis to resettle all the Palestinian is Jordan which is the real Zionist objective as that would upset America's lickspittles among the Arab despots of the Gulf too much.
I thought pillaging was supposed to be wrong so just what are Saddam Hussein's "secret documents", Iraqi property by any definition, doing at the National Defense University which I assume is in the US. How would Americans feel if another country invaded the US and shipped all the Presidential Libraries and the Library of Congress back to that country.
After the last exchange between Hezbollah and Israel, Pammycakes made the point that the exchanges were always one-sided, many Hezbollah/Hamas for one or two Israelis and that this supported the view that Israelis valued life more than Palestinians overlooking the fact that the Israelis have kidnapped thousands of civilians as "bargaining chips" while Hezbollah and Hamas are lucky to capture one or two soldiers.
Charon - it's far more interesting than that. While the revisionist Zionists of the Irgun did resort to terrorism against the British, the mainstream Zionists of the Hagannah co-operated with the British in supressing the Arab Revolt in Palestine between 1936 and 1939. As a result of the suppression of the Arab Revolt most of the Palestinians weapons were removed and their political leadership was destroyed, thus critically weakening them before their confrontation with the Zionists in 1947/8.
So, eee, by 1937 it was clearly understood by the Arab nationalists that the Zionists were on the side of the British colonialist occupiers, which might explain why Egyptians were attacking Jews in Cairo in 1945.
"No one has yet advanced any explanation for why Eisenberg’s pre-approved remarks are now being treated as those coming from a loose cannon."
I can't say for certain but I would suggest that Eisenberg has been used to reinforce the idea that you should always regard the IOF as crazy enough to do what other more moral armies would not do.
"their baggage is often searched manually (raising interesting questions about the effectiveness of the carwash-sized suitcase screening machines that everybody else go through); "
Another small act of oppression - does anyone enjoy other people going through their, often intimate, things?
The link:
link to thejc.com
ps I like the way that she seems to have been upset that the EDL didn't like her trying to bring convicted terrorists on board.
"Ms Moore had attempted to co-ordinate her efforts with those of the far-right American Jewish Task Force, whose leader Victor Vancier has been imprisoned for terrorism offences. The move, in February, was heavily criticised by the EDL leadership."
But there are small victories along the way!
"EDL Jewish division leader Roberta Moore quits"
"The hardline activist at the forefront of the 'Jewish Division' of the extreme right-wing English Defence League has announced that she does not wish to be a part of it any longer because of Nazi elements within it."
Who would have thought it? An extreme right-wing group containing Nazis? I don't believe it!
The EDL only puts up with Jews and Zionists because they hate Muslims more and they think the Israelis are beating up the Muslims.
Will this mean that that stupid cow, Pam Geller, will stop supporting the EDL? I don't know because I can't bring myself to visit her website.
If the Jerusalem Post is really reporting that the IDF believes that sulfur will be used as a chemical weapon against any soldiers that board the ship, then the IDF really are moronic as sulfur is non-toxic!
As for the Jerusalem Post, what more can one say of a "newspaper" that employs Caroline Glick as deputy managing editor!
hophmi - which millions were murdered by Bashir? And please don't mention Darfur as the high estimates for excess deaths there are between 300,000 and 400,000. But when has the truth ever bothered a Zionist hasbarista?
As for Assad and Gaddafi, even at a thousand a piece, they are mere minnows when it comes to Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and Blair who are collectively responsible for between 100,000 and 1,000,000. Actually, they, Assad and Gaddafi, are each less murderous than Ehud Olmert with well over 1,000 dead civilians in Lebanon in 2006 and just under 1,000 dead civilians in Gaza in 2008/2009.
hophmi - how can he be distorting the article if he has simply cut and pasted it from ynet and not added any comments of his own.? hophmi - I think you owe us an explanation for the lie you are propagating.
A translation of the text of the letter (maybe the other version) is available here:
link to jewishvirtuallibrary.org
"and presumably the Simon Wiesenthal Center, Abe Foxman and the Anti-Defamation League, who surely will be the first to call attention to any early warning signs of a recurrence."
I doubt it, they seem more concerned with defining anti-Israel sentiments as anti-Semitic and seem to accept that anti-Semites, such as Pastor Hagee, are OK as long as they are pro-Israel. Or were you being ironic?
Nobody's voice has been taken away! They can all still speak (or shout for that matter)! I thought the whole purpose of a blog was to bring attention to the author. How advanced was the LGBT movement in the Middle East? Not very and in large part it is the policies of western governments on the Cold War, Israel and oil over the last sixty years that have put it there. Do you really think that the current regime in Damascus is going to pay "unwanted attention" to the LGBT cause? If they have any sense, and the fact that they seem to be more than hanging on suggests they do, then they will be "banking" this as a propaganda victory and moving on to what is really important to them which is maintaining control of the political space in Syria. Actually, given that the likely winner of any revolution in Syria is going to be the extremely conservative Muslim Brotherhood under the influence of the equally conservative and wahhabite saudi royal family and that the al-Asads offered a similar bargain to Saddam Hussein (stay out of national politics and we'll stay out of your life), the current regime, while odious, may be the better one to deal with.
And it might help if you stopped accusing the Syrian regime of being totalitaruian as it quite clearly is not. As I hint at above, it exerts very little control over the personal non-political space and has little in way of an ideology beyond making its cronies wealthy, and maintaining power for itself. Thus it should be categorized as authoritarian. As such, adopting a western approach of forcing the LGBT issue into the political space is not going to work. If you want to complain about totalitarian states in the Middle East, start looking at Saudi Arabia and because of its economic wealth and reach and peddling of wahhabism, changes in its political ideology will have benefits far beyond its borders.
Let's be clear here, the US is still opposed to the democracy movement in the Middle East. It represents too great a threat to its interests. However, the present incumbents in the White House believe that if they openly oppose these democracy movements then it make then appear hypocritical so they are allowing Saudi Arabia and probably Israel to do the heavy lifting and play the "bad cop" role while the White House plays the "good cop" role. Where the corruption is endemic in the police, as it is in reality for the US' involvement in the Middle East, both the good or bad cop should excoriated.
Why the White House should worry about appearing hypocritical is beyond me as everyone knows they have taken hypocriticality to an exceptional level!
I think he is referring to the Qualitative Military Edge he believes Israel should have. However, there is no way that Israel could afford that purely on its own without bankrupting itself so it will bankrupt the United States instead.
He could also be referring to Israel being the only country in the Middle East with nuclear weapons and he has every intention of ensuring it stays that way so that Israel can defend itself - by itself.
If the "Arab Spring" succeeds against the United States/Israeli/Saudi organized counter-revolution and the Arab countries surrounding Israel decide to form a Middle East Treaty Organization for mutual defence purposes without US involvment so that an attack on one becomes an attack on them all, you have to wonder what the US response will be. Perhaps the NED/ACILS/CIPE/IRI/NDI (aka CIA) will go into overdrive. Or perhaps the US will just invade.
Jeees - I never thought I'd read of Thomas Friedman being slagged off as an anti-Semite. The Zionists are resorting to cannibalism or should that be either zionibalism or ziobalism.
A bit of biog from Encounter Books:
Giulio Meotti is an Italian journalist and author. His columns have appeared in the Wall Street Journal and Commentary. Mr. Meotti graduated from the University of Florence with a degree in philosophy. He lives in Italy with his family.
An interview with Michael "shit-for-brains" Totten
link to gayandright.blogspot.com
Kushner had CUNY by the balls and he should have squeezed until Jeffrey Wiesenfeld and Benno Schmidt were dumped. Thus, having redeemed the reputation of CUNY, it would be acceptable for him to accept a "meaningful honorary degree from worthwhile institution". Jeffrey Wiesenfeld and Benno Schmidt have got off far too lightly!
Shame on Tony Kushner for accepting a dubious honor from a discredited organization such CUNY while Jeffrey Wiesenfeld and Benno Schmidt remain on the board of trustees.
As a result of CUNYs treatment of Tony Kushner, one has to ask if CUNY has the academic pedigree to justify awarding honorary degrees. In my opinion it does not and so it should not! Boycott CUNY while Jeffrey Wiesenfeld and Benno Schmidt remain on the board of trustees as their behavior is unworthy of any academic institution!
Isn't there something wrong here? The Israeli government pressing the US government to support that bunch of really rabid anti-Semites aka the Saudi royal family.
The picture is a lie anyway. According to Leon Panetta a data feed failure meant that they were not watching the operation live as was originally suggested. So Der Tzitung's action was a small white lie compared with the "porker" from the White House.
Strange! Google "Mathilde De Riedmatten" and ICRC and you get five entries, two of which are Mondoweiss. However, Google "Mathilde De Riedmatten" and irc (International Rescue Committee) and you hit paydirt, about 1430 entries. Looking at the International Rescue Committee website, they have two programs in the Middle East and neither is in Gaza.
Goldstone - yet another hasbara shill!
In the end, asking Hamas to investigate may have been a mistaken enterprise. So, too, the Human Rights Council should condemn the inexcusable and cold-blooded recent slaughter of a young Israeli couple and three of their small children in their beds.
Guilt by association? As far as I can see no one has been charged or "fitted up" with the Itamar killings of a settler family, yet here is Goldstome implying that Hamas are responsible.
"War is hell" was another repeated message, along with the notion that, since Jews had successfully "conquered" the land, it was theirs to do with as they wished.
A tall, middle-aged man with a handlebar mustache summed up his perspective on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict this way: "I'm a military man, so I know, the point of a war is to conquer the other side. Israel won. End of story."
I've always wondered if the people who espouse the above views have ever contemplated how they would feel if, in a future war, the Palestinians with, say, Arab support won. Would they be happy to pack their bags and leave Palestine? Would they expect to be allowed to stay? Or would they expect the IDF to get all medieval and start throwing round its thermonuclear weapons?
Weiner did state his honest opinion, which is that land conquered by Israel belongs to Israel, and that the UN’s belated and historically ridiculous statement that the acquisition of land by war is inadmissible is nonsense.
This demonstrates that Weiner is stupid rather than how left or right wing he is. He lacks the imagination to realize that just as he can claim that land conquered by Israel belongs to Israel, others can claim that land conquered by, say, Lebanon belongs to Lebanon, so if at some point in the future, Hezbollah becomes powerful enough to defeat the IDF in war, then it is game over for Israel. While that seems improbable, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility, particularly with the decline of the United States and the potential rise of democracy in the Middle East. Is Weiner prepared to accept that outcome?
You're too generous to the Washington Post. The Washington Post is not really that different from Der Stürmer.
Why would Qaradawi want to meet with mainstream Zionist rabbis since they embrace rape!
eee - you're a bit off-message here. I thought the "blood libel" tag was supposed to be reserved exclusively for the accusation that Jews used the blood of Christian children for religious purposes.
By the way, a few days ago you were quite prepared to accuse Egyptians of gang-raping Lara Logan without any evidence beyond a claim that she suffered a "serious sexual assault" even though it now appears that she was stripped, beaten with the flag poles and repeatedly pinched on sensitive parts of her body. And let's face it, a country who's president is a convicted rapist for an offense that took place while he was in office, is a country capable of other serious crimes. So why should anyone care what a hypocrite like you thinks?
Finally, I would like to point out that your glorious IDF couldn't defeat a couple of hundred part-time militiamen in Lebanon in 2006 so it is obviously well passed its best
Lara Logan was stripped, beaten and apparently repeatedly "pinched on sensitive parts of her body" and that was called a serious sexual assault that justified the intervention of Barak Obama and Hillary Clinton. In a non-sexist world the treatment administered to these boys would also be regarded as a serious sexual assault. So why haven't Barak Obama and Hillary Clinton intervened with their "client" to condemn it? It is about time the United States classified Israel as a terrorist state!
The Zionists will now claim that it is too dangerous for them to make a peace treaty with the Palestinians. The trouble is that the Zionists are too dumb to understand that if they don't make a peace treaty soon, it will be too late (if it isn't already) and Israel as a political entity will disappear. For the benefit of those zionist idiots, eee, yonira and witty, that does mean that there will be another Holocaust unless dumb zionists make it inevitable.
yonira - like all zionists you have it arse about tit - it is the Israel which craves war to demonstrate to its neighbours its supposed superiority and to Americans how essential it is to the American empire. Normally it does that while hiding behind America's skirts, but as Lebanon 2006 demonstrated it is no longer capable of doing what America expects of it, and there is nothing Americans like less than a loser. How much longer will Israel be allowed to hide behind America's skirts?
eee - the interesting thing I see at the moment is that the two Arab states that look most secure at the moment are Syria and Lebanon. Let's face it, Jordan , Saudi Arabia, Libya, Algeria, etc. are all looking very dodgy at the moment. And what is it that they all have in common? The heads of their rulers are firmly stuck up Israel's and America's arses. So do you feel really lucky once their rulers are gone bearing in mind that back in 2006 the IDF couldn't defeat a few hundred teachers, shop keepers, farmers and mechanics? I really hope you have hung on to your other passport.
I dunno about the US, but I strongly suspect that certain European governments - those that "might have to make some hard choices" about welfare provisions, etc, such as Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy and the United Kingdom might be re-thinking their plans in the coming weeks.
For instance, under Margaret Thatcher, it took several years for her government to become widely disliked, Cameron had done it in several months and many of the policies he is pushing to benefit his banker buddies are already causing opposition groups to appear. While saving the National Health Service, the Forestry Commission, etc. might not be as important as the political freedoms the Egyptians are demanding, they are certainly causing the British middle class to get organized.
The army is now occupying the village of Iraq Burin but no clashes have been reported.
If that bunch of murdering war criminals commonly known as the IDF really was the "most moral" army in the world, they would have occupied Barcha, gone door-to-door until they found the culprits and arrested them before demolishing their houses as is normal policy for the IDF when arresting terrorists. As it is that bunch of racist f&*(s occupied the victim's village. They should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves!
Shingo - you are not cynical enough. Since the Washington Post is the "Völkischer Beobachter" for neocons, Jennifer Rubin will have a long and "successful" career (if you can call it that) at the
Völkischer BeobachterWashington Post.AFAIK, the Merkava does not have Chobham (or Dorchester) composite armour which is fitted to both the M1 Abrams and the Challenger. In Lebanon, the Merkava was attacked with weapons that had proved useless against the Abrams and Challenger in Iraq back in 1991.
"Israel knows how to do it well"
Yeah, tell that to the widows and orphans of the Merkava crews that got whacked in Lebanon by a bunch of amateurs known as Hezbollah. When it comes to armour the British do it a lot better! A British Challenger II tank was hit by 70 RPGs in Basra fighting Israel's war and kept going, it took a lot less than that to put the Merkavas out of action.
The only thing that Israel knows how to do well is run prison camps.
Joseph Geobbels would have been proud of that resolution. Is it really any better than the so-called Nuremberg Laws?
Too little and too late:
NEW YORK — Many Iranians are worried about international nuclear sanctions but also want the country to have atomic weapons, according to a survey by a US institute revealed Wednesday.
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The poll, carried out by Charney Research for the International Peace Institute, a New York-based think tank, also indicated that most Iranians voted for President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a controversial June 2009 election that many countries said was fixed.
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With international tensions rising, the poll indicated that the number of people who were pro-United States had fallen from 34 percent in 2008 to eight percent now. Sixty-eight percent believed that if there was an attack on Iran, it would come from the United States.
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Sixty percent of those asked said they had voted for the populist Ahmadinejad in the June 2009 poll, close to the official figures released by the government.
Perhaps it is time to kill off the suggestion that those elections were "fixed".
Perhaps it is time for NPR to start covering the Jewish communities that the Zionists have destroyed and are still destroying.
Phil - are bogeys (boogers in the American idiom, I believe) kosher?
During the last few days I have come to suspect that Netanyahu has walked into a trap that will close on November 3rd and the result may not be good for the Zionists. It has been pretty obvious for the past several weeks that the Republicans are likely to win back control of the House and maybe even the Senate and that when that happens there will be nothing that Obama can do domestically, so, he will have a minimum of two years and maybe even four years when he can focus on foreign policy and if I remember the US Constitution correctly while the Senate has to ratify any treaties and approve any ambassadors, the rest of foreign policy is reserved to the President so a Republican obstructionist majority in either house is really of no use to Netanyahu whatsoever.
“epic struggle to save Soviet Jewry”
From what exactly? A Soviet "Kristallnacht"? I don't remember any reports of it. Soviet gas chambers? Never heard of them. Soviet "Einsatzgruppen"? Doesn't ring a bell with me.
Or was it from the economic destitution inflicted on the Soviet Union by the neo-cons and neo-liberals who are mostly Zionists?
Bullshit!
What about the Poles, the Ukrainians and the Kosovans among others, they have all used their suffering as a political tool. The Poles even demanded an increase in their representation at the EU on the basis of the adverse effect on their population of the German occupation.
The excess death rates you quote for some of the other conflicts you mention are most likely gross exaggerations. For instance, the 1-2 million in Darfur is in reality somewhere between 100,000 and 300,000 while ICRC's figures for Bosnia of 20,000 to 30,000 distributed equally across all sides suggests that the figure of 1 million you quote for the Balkans is complete bullshit!
As for the six million Jews in quotes, that strongly suggests to me that you don't believe that approximately six million Jews died in the Holocaust. So how many do think really died?
Actually estimates start at 1.54 million "excess deaths" from the famine and famine deaths are not the same as the deaths in the extermination camps. When you look at all the numbers there is an enormous disconnect between the realistic numbers and the numbers cclaimed by many on the right. For example, official Soviet figures refer to less than two million excess deaths among gulag inmates while many on the right clai, tens of millions of deaths. The evidence, just look at the nazi extermination camps, suggest that these right-wing authors are talking garbage. In the end, I suspect that the total number of excess deaths caused by Soviet industrialization will amount to only a few million and would have been overshadowed by the tens of millions of Soviet citizens who would have died without industrialization.
By defining the Holocaust as a continuation of an earlier event in Easter Europe Snyder seems to be suggesting that the Holocaust was initiated by Stalin rather than Hitler. What a load of bollocks!! Hitler's homicidal racism was in plain view well before the start of the Final Solution (usually dated to late 1941).
As for those who died resisting collectivization and industrialization, they would have been slaughtered in even greater numbers by that homicidal scumbag Hitler as untermensch after the Nazis defeated the Soviet Union as they would have if Stalin hadn't forced through collectivization and industrialization. And without Stalin, the Japanese would have conquered most of Asia, Germany would have conquered all of Europe up to and probably beyond the Urals, Great Britain would have made a peace treaty with Hitler and that would have left the Americas to the United States so George Orwell's vision for 1984 would have arrived in 1942 or there abouts.
Oh, and by the way, if you are going to blame Stalin for the deaths of those who resisted collectivization and industrialization in the Ukraine, then you must hold Winston Churchill responsible for those, all three million of them, who died in the Bengal famine in India in 1943.
If you think this is bad, then there is even worse happening in the Occupied West Bank:
A country with policies like this can never be legitimate!
Richard - are you too stupid to realize that Gideon Levy is sneering at the Zionist concept?
I reckon we’d have 10 people noseless before the end of day one.
Wrong, you would have at least 405 noseless congressmen within ten minutes of the text being sent. The only problem for Israel might be that no congressman would take his nose out of Israel's arse to cut it off!
Except for a few Zionist nutjobs such as Pam Geller and some Israeli "intelligence" whackjob, I have seen no reports that the Lebabese did anything more than fire warning shots at the Israelis(although there was one report that the first shot was an RPG but I think we can discount that). As usual the Israeli response was grossly out of proportion and they recklessly fired on the Lebanese killing two soldiers and a journalist. At that point it would appear that the Lebanese fired back and hit two officers. So the fatal shooting originated with the Israelis. But that was never to point of my comment and you know it.
As for the accusation of name calling, I was suggesting that your chosen user name is a misrepresentation as you quite clearly follow the hasbara "party line" with your comments and I was merely suggesting a couple of more meaningful user names for you to consider.
Yes - but they know that the morons in Congress will believe it. Who are the real jokers? The Israeli government of the US Congress?
BTW, just where in my comment do I apportion blame, so who shot first is irrelevant. I just mentioned that that racist shit of an American politician was blind to the Lebanese casualties. Personally, I feel that all loss of human life of whatever race should be mourned and should not be tolerated and is wrong. Perhaps you can clarify; do you feel that somehow an Israeli life is worth more than a Lebanese life? If you do then perhaps you should change your user-name to racist jew or better still infantile racist jew.
wondering jew - if children collecting scrap or farmers trying to cultivate their land within 300 metres of the border fence between that "open prison" Gaza and the occupied territory of their homeland, Palestine, then they are shot and killed by the thieves, murderers and war criminals who invaded and stole their land just as they have with Lebanon for extended periods in the past until they could take the pain that Hizbollah and others inflicted on them no more.
BTW, you remind me of one of my nephews a few years ago, when he was nine or so, who always complained that his elder brother always hit him first after he had spent hours taunting his elder brother. It worked a few times until my sister and her husband cottoned on to what was happening, Then his complaints were ignored completely even when they were justified. Your behaviour reminds me of that nephew so perhaps you should grow the fuck up up! Either that or you should change your user-name to infantile jew.
By his words, Rep. Ron Klein is a racist bigot:
“To start shooting as they did – one person killed, one seriously injured – is a very serious move by the Lebanese army,” said Florida Rep. Ron Klein, who sits on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, in response to a question from The Jerusalem Post.
So according to him, it is only the IOF soldiers who count. What about the two Lebanese soldiers and the civilian journalist? Are they not human beings? Or does Rep. Ron Klein regard them as sub-human?
Taxi - we didn't lose a "whole generation" to fighting Hitler (and the Japanese), we let the Soviet Union do that and we weren't really fighting to liberate Jews even though that ignorant cunt, Tony Blair, says otherwise. We were fighting, as we always did in Europe, to make sure another country did not take control of Western Europe (it is ironic that in doing so we let another country take control of Western Europe) and against Japan to preserve our Empire (which we lost anyway:>)). Having said that, there was an uncle I never knew because of the war and my father suffered from PTSD(although it wasn't known as that at the time) after fighting the Japanese in Burma.
However, I think that Shimon Peres may have blown a long-term relationship with the English Defense League by this. If you go read the stormfront website, there are a number of comments that perhaps the scumbags that comment there should "deal" with the Jews once they have sorted out the Muslims. Pastor Martin Niemöller eat your heart out.
BTW, it took me all of thirty seconds, yes thirty seconds, to find the source of that saying.
That quote was from a Hungarian nobleman, Joseph Eötvösz who said in the 1920’s that “an anti-Semite is one who hates the Jews... more than necessary.” So I have to ask if Shimon Peres is senile since he is obviously confusing Hungary (a country in Eastern Europe) with Britain (an island in the Atlantic on the western edge of Europe). Perhaps he needs to be in a nursing home.
"They think the Palestinians are the underdog. In their eyes, the Arabs are the underdog. Even though this is irrational."...
I have to ask whether or not Shimon Peres is delusional. The Israels are the occupiers and the Palestinians are the occupied, or is he so senile that he is convinced that the reverse is true? Either that or he knows in the depth of his heart that Israel is illegitimate but he just can't bring himself to say it.
He added: "There has always been something deeply pro-Arab, of course, not among all Englishmen, and anti-Israeli, in the establishment."
I have to ask, is Shimon Peres regressing to his childhood because it is almost certainly true that in the past some in the British establishment were pro-Arab, although there is nothing wrong with that per se, the modern British establishment is very evidently pro-Israel. You only have to consider that cunt Tony Blair.
He cited historical examples of Britain's failure to support Israeli interests, including abstention in the 1947 UN partition resolution, an arms embargo against Israel in the 1950s and a defence treaty with Jordan.
I have to ask again, is it true that Shimon Peres is regressing to his childhood because the only acts that he refers to occurred more than fifty years ago and he ignores the disgusting behaviour of the government of that cunt Blair who allowed weapons to be shipped through the UK to Israel in 2006 even though he knew that they would be used against civilians and who prevented a UNSC resolution being passed for 34 days (I believe) to stop the Lebanon War of 2006.
So is it time to say that Shimon Peres is a senile fool who should be pensioned off and "warehoused" in the same facility as that war criminal Ariel Sharon?
Saban said, “has been consistent in his anti-American and anti-Semitic remarks,”
Call me cynical but soon being anti-American will be equated with being anti-Semitic. I suppose it makes sense as the United States seems to be a colony of Israel.
I hope that it's Roumania sucking up to the American teat again.
However, it is possible that Roumania could be used as a jumping off point for an attack on Iran without passing through Turkish, Jordanian, Iraqi or Saudi Arabian airspace with Israeli planes flying east across the Black Sea and then across Georgia and Azerbaijan before turning south over the Caspian Sea and entering Iranian airspace. With the Israeli planes refueling over Georgia or Azerbaijan, they would not need drop tanks for targets around Tabriz and Tehran as the distance they would have to fly over enemy territory would be short. Any flying to Qom or Esfahan would probably need them.
Launching an attack with planes flying from Georgia or Azerbaijan would be too visible and would allow Iran to retaliate without involving NATO.
Roumania, on the other hand is now a member of the EU and NATO, so any response (real or imaginery) from Iran would result in a NATO response against Iran. Just what Tel Aviv wants.
The other advantage to routing an attack over Georgia and Azerbaijan is that damaged aircraft would not have to fly back to Roumania but could land in Georgia or Azerbaijan. During the "police incident" between Russia and Georgia, there were reports that Georgian airfields had been upgraded by the Israelis but the Russian ripped up the runways that had been upgraded. If the Russians or Turks have any sense, they will position a couple of anti-aircraft warships in the Black Sea to act as radar pickets to tip off the Iranians.
Practicing long distant flights with multiple crews suggests that they are preparing for a search and rescue task.
On the other hand, if Israel has any sense at all, it will not attack Iran.
It will most likely be Lebanon and Syria with the excuse being a "convoy of SCUD missiles being transported from Syria to Lebanon". That there will be no real convoy won't matter to the US Congress because those subservient lickspittles have repeatedly demonstrated by their fawning behaviour that they will believe anything, however ridiculous, that the Israeli government tells them.
I hope Cameron has the sense to say no to Washington/Tel Aviv when asked to provide cover in the UNSC for Israel's war crimes as that cunt Blair did. Somehow, I doubt it.
Just because the zionist lobby might oppose it is most certainly not a reason not to try. Since the American constitution bans bills of attainder, might there not be a case for a judicial review to force the US government to apply the law mentioned to both sides of the I-P conflict equally.
Also, since the very existence of the settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank is a war crime, perhaps someone make a complaint to the police in New York City since much of the funding originates from there. With a suitable media circus, some progress should be possible. It's only a shame that private prosecutions are not possible in the United States.
Witty, you are a real piece of work - misappropriating the term "collective punishment" for a few hooligans attacking some Jews. It is just like the way you and others have adopted the phrase "ethnic cleansing" to describe the possible removal of illegal colonists from The Occupied Territories in The West Bank or the actual removal by the IDF of colonists from Gaza. Following your logic, I suppose you would claim that the Red Army ethnically cleansed the SS and Wehrmacht from the Soviet Union or that the American, British and Free French Armies ethnically cleansed the SS and Wehrmacht from France, Belgium, The Netherlands, Luxembourg, etc. Upon reflection, I've changed my mind describing you as "a real piece of work" is too kind and open to possible misinterpretaion so perhaps I should describe you as a real piece of shit.
" after Amman rejected Israeli demands to participate in extraction and enrichment of uranium"
Quite right too! As Israel is not a signatory of the NPT, it would be highly illegal for Jordan (a signatory to the NPT) to agree to Israel's demand. Now, if they would just sign and ratify the NPT............
It is also very wrong of the US to pressure Jordan to agree to an illegal act, so egregious that one must ask if the US believes in the "rule of law"?
Oh noes! Zombie zionists. The only question is how fast do they move? A shuffle or a trot? Talking of zombie zionists, how fast do you move Mr Witty?
"There was no Iraqi who was not in the [Baathist] party,"
Nothing changes. Pre-war German joke:
Gestapo officer arrives at Berlin factory to check loyalty. Asks manager "how many communists work here?" Manager replies "oh, about a third are communists". Gestapo officer then asks "how many socialists work here?". Manager replies "oh, about a third are socialists". Gestapo officer then asks "how many christian democrats work here?". Manager replies "oh, about a third are christian democrats". Gestapo officer then angrily demands to know why there are no nazis. The manager replies "ah, but they are all nazis!"
Unfortunately, I reckon all the Israeli lobby and their media stenographers are all true believers when it comes to zionism.
I doubt whether David Trimble characterizes himself as an Irishman, most likely he would say he is an Ulsterman. Of David Trimble's Nobel Peace Prize Award, Derry journalist Eamon McCann is alleged to have described Trimble winning the Nobel Peace Prize as winning the lottery and not buying a ticket.
As for a retired Supreme Court justice, Yaakov Tirkel, was he picked because he is suffering from dementia? I only ask because he is having memory problems. From Haaretz
sherbrsi - it is called irony.
Blackadder III, Amy and Amiability
lysias - you overlook why Ulster Unionists have such a natural affinity for Zionist colonialism, it is because they are religious settlers themselves. From wikipedia:
The Plantation of Ulster (Irish: Plandáil Uladh) was the organised colonisation (or plantation) of Ulster—a province of Ireland—by people from Great Britain. Private plantation by wealthy landowners began in 1606, while official plantation controlled by King James I of England and VI of Scotland began in 1609. All land owned by Irish chieftains the Ó Neills and Ó Donnells (along with those of their supporters) were confiscated and used to settle the colonists. This land comprised an estimated half a million acres (4,000 km²) in the counties Tyrconnell, Tyrone, Fermanagh, Cavan, Coleraine and Armagh. Most of the counties Antrim and Down were privately colonised.
The "British tenants", a term applied to the colonists, were mostly from Scotland and England. They were required to be English-speaking and Protestant. The Scottish colonists were mostly Presbyterian and the English mostly Anglicans. The Plantation of Ulster was the biggest and most successful of the Plantations of Ireland. Ulster was colonized so as to prevent further rebellion, as over the preceding century, it had proven to be the region most resistant to English control.
Contrary to commentators on another website I will never link to, when Irish nationalists used to say "Brits out!", they didn't just mean that the British Army and Civil Service should leave, they meant that all the settlers, many of whose families have lived in Ireland for 400 years, should also leave. Now that we are all part of the EU, they probably regard the settlers as the immigrants they are.
This undoubtably gives David Trimble a special understanding of the Zionists' predicament and means that he will deal appropriately with the indigenous population.
Both the British in India and the United States during Segregation claimed to believe in the "rule of law" and had a constitution (unwritten and written respectively) which guaranteed people certain rights. Since those countries' laws/constitution constrained state violence, excessive state violence against non-violent protestors ultimately could delegitimize those country. In a country which does not believe in the rule of law, there are no such contraints on state violence. In Nazi Germany, the law was what Hitler wanted it to be, so he changed the law to make any protest including non-violent protest a serious offence. For example, the White Rose protestors in Munich were executed for their actions and that changed nothing. As for Gandhi's claim that non-violent protests would have brought down Nazi Germany, that is pure baloney because Hitler didn't give a rat's arse what people thought of him and the Germans proved that they could go on killing mercilessly right up until the Russians captured Berlin.
While I do not equate Israel with Nazi Germany, I think it must be said that just like Nazi Germany pre-1941, the rule of law is breaking down within Israel, perhaps because the United States has repeatedly allowed Israel to breech international law on a whim.
Iran already manufactures its own drones, rumoured to be based on an Israeli design which was copied after one was shot down over Lebanon by Hizbollah. Back in 2005 I believe, Hizbollah flew a couple of these drones over Israel to photograph military targets and recovered them safely. Last year, I seem to recall, the Americans shot down an Iranian drone after it had been flying over Iraq for about 90 minutes. The fact that the Americans did nothing more suggests that they might have been caught flying drones over Iran themselves.
After 9/11, I started to see stories about how the US military were using the techniques of counter-insurgency developed by the IDF. While the first assault on Fallujah was fairly unsuccessful, the second was far more brutal and successful from a US military point of view. The result of the US military talking to the IOF? The introduction of "enhanced interrogation techniques" The result of the US military talking to the IOF? The introduction of "targetted killings". The result of the US military talking to the IOF? The use of mass kidnappngs of locals. The result of the US military talking to the IOF? Is this because the US military believe the bullshit about the IOF being the most moral army in the World or particularly effective against insurgents? Did the IOF do this to compromise the US military to justify their own criminality? Probably, although the recent history of the US military shows that they are quite willing to be compromised.
Perhaps someone should announce that the rapture is imminent and will take place in Gaza and that the Rapturees have to approach Gaza in boats.......................
w-j
Are you illiterate, ignorant or a liar? I only ask because Helen Thomas said that the Jews "should get out of Palestine" and "should go back to Poland, Germany..." The use of should indicates no form of compulsion whatsoever so it is not ethnic cleansing. If for instance, I suggest that you should not piss into the wind, you are perfectly free to ignore my advice but don't come whining to me when you piss down your leg
According to Ms Thomas' phrasing, it is up to each individual Jew whether or not he or she decides to remain in Palestine. As for Schumer, his phrasing suggests that he intends to carry out the act himself or, more likely, have others carry out the act for him which is what would make it a war crime. . Or are you going to claim that he is suggesting that the Palestinians strangle themselves? If you are then you are an illiterate, ignorant, lying prat!
Avi - I think everyone should do everything they can to encourage "better relations" between Russia and Israel.
Sorry to disagree with you Adam but too many crap stories from dubious websites like MEMRI and DEBKAfile as well as Mossad-planted stories in Israeli newspapers get traction in the MSM. For example, just recently those scumbags at DEBKAfile and MEMRI published a story almost cetainly planted by Mossad in a Kuwaiti paper claiming that Osama bin Laden and Ayman Al-Zawahiri are hiding out in northeastern Iran and that the Turkish prime minister, Recep Erdogan, and his intelligence chiefs are well aware of this.
Ah, you mighy say, no-one is dumb enough to believe anything that MEMRI or DEBKAfile report. Wrong!
FWIW, w-j, I agree with you that Helen Thomas meant that Israeli Jews should return to where they or their parents came from and I for one agree with her! Anti-Semitism must be confronted everywhere it exists so that all Israeli Jews can safely return from whence they came. If they wish to remain in Palestine as individuals, that must be allowed but Israel, for a variety of reasons (failure to declare borders, in-built racism, past and current ethnic cleansing of the indigenous popluation and other war crimes, war-based relations with neighbouring countries, etc.) has given up the "right to exist" just as did Imperial Germany, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, the Dutch, British and French Empires, etc.
I can quite vividly recall reading a piece several months ago where an American Zionist was reported as having claimed that he had influenced a congressman to oppose Jewish immigration prior to the war. The reason it is quite vivid is that I had always thought that American objections to Jewish immigration was due to the anti-Semitism among many of the officials concerned with immigration policy. Perhaps he really did influence the congressman or perhaps he was just bullshitting but one must always believe everything a Zionist claims otherwise one is an anti-Semite. As to whether or not a single congressman could have that much influence, recent history suggests he can. Sorry, there I go, living in the past again.
Anti-Palestinian bigotry of liberals such as Josh Marshall.
Can we have a preview button please Phil.
Not forgeting the <a href="link to talkingpointsmemo.com
bigotry of liberals such as Josh Marshall:
Is Mr Marshall refering to all people? Somehow, I doubt it. So it is fine for Jews to use their history as justification for their actions, as Mr Marshall accepts for his friends descended from Polish Jews. But the inference is that Palestinians must ignore their history of ethnic cleansing by Zionists. Perhaps it is time for Josh Marshall to resign, but I'm not holding my breath.
BTW, perhaps he should remember that many Jewish victims of the Nazi wanted to resettle in the United States both before and after the war but they were refused permission because of zionist lobbying and had to go to Palestine as a result.
A few days ago Phil linked to a piece by Anshel Pfeffer in Haaretz:
This is what first alerted me to that this really was a publicity stunt by the Israelis. Just about everytime you see a clip of the IDF, it is posed. For instance, with the Gaza Flotilla incident, there was a clip of several speed boats returning "triumphantly" to port after the operation while back in 2006, there were a number of images of units supposedly returning from fighting Hizbollah in Lebanon where they were carrying their supposedly wounded comrades on shoulder-high stretchers. While it may have looked photogenic, I doubt the "wounded"soldiers were actually wounded because if they were they should have been rapidly evacuated to a casualty clearing station.
The worst bit about the article is the false assumption by the IDF officer that the IDF is a real army; forty-odd years of occupation means that it is not. It is a ethnic militia that spends its time killing and terrorizing the occupied. The only thing that keeps it successful, is its air force.
Richard - you are wrong. A gun-type device does involve, AFAIK, banging two pieces of uranium metal together using a howitzer gun barrel. The technology to contruct the device is so simple that the "Little Boy" weapon was detonated over Hiroshima without any live testing. The technology to acquire the highly-enriched uranium is the diificult part. However, there are now no gun-type devices in existence as all nuclear states field implosion-type devices which are a lot more complex.
As for that submarine claimed to be moored up off Iran. It is most likley yet another Israel fabrication, jsut like the Syrian "reactor", the destruction of and "arms convoy" in Sudan, Syria passing Scuds to Hizbollah, etc. The subs that Israel obtained from Germany are not nuclear-powered, so they have to come to the suface on a regular basis (once a week I believe), but if they surfaced close to the Iranian cost, they would give away their presence. Therefore they would need to travel a fair distance into the Arabian Sea to surface without giving away their location, so that means that the Israelis would have to have two subs in the area to maintain one on station at all times. To maintain two subs in the area, the Israelis would also need to keep a support ship for resupply in the area which they just can't hide. Then they would need to have additional subs and supply ships because their nearest base most likely back in Israel, but they only have three suitable subs in all (they've just taken delivery of two more which are probably not fully operational yet). So while it might be possible for an occasional Israel sub to patrol of Iran, but I doubt they can maintain a "standing" patrol.
The logistics change enough if Israel has access to a port on the western shore of the Persian Gulf but however craven the rulers of Gulf states are to Israeli/US influence, I can't see them hosting Israel subs to attack Iran. The blowback could destroy them.
Philip - surely you already have an identity. You are an American who happens to follow the Jewish religion just like I'm British and an atheist.
In 1967, although Nasser was, irony of ironies, blockading the Straits of Tiran for Israeli-flagged ships, he had made it clear to the Americans that he had no interest in attacking Israel as he was bogged down in Yemen fighting a war against the Saudis and British. So there was no attack on Israel to pre-empt. It was just a naked land grab by the Israelis.
As for the other examples of military prowess, it should be remembered that the Arab armies that Israel has fought over the years have been conscripted and poorly equipped and led and this weakness was clearly demonstrated to all by the way the Americans, British and French carved up the Iraqi army after the invasion of Kuwait.
As for the attack on the Gaza Convoy, that was nothing more than a publicity stunt designed to improve the tarnished reputation of the IOF. And that is the problem, occupying a country screws up your military big time.
As the War Nerd says:
Kamal Nasir was murdered in an Israeli "commando raid" on Beirut on 10 April 1973, led by Ehud Barak. Nothing changes.
yonira - if, for the sake of argument, there had been a North Korean sub in the neighbourhood of the Gaza flotilla and that submarine, seeing a civilian ship under armed attack in international waters, had rendered assistance by sinking the attacking ships and in the process, killed all aboard the attacking ships , would you condemn the North Koreans for taking part in a pogrom against the Jews and demand that the World invade North Korea or would you say it was a legitimate action against an aggressor? I know this is far-fetched but it is no more far-fetched than VP Biden's claim that an investigation by Israel would be independent. BTW, in the past I might have believed Biden's claim but with the current government in Israel, definitely not!
For the photos of the weapons alledgedly taken from the protesters, the Israels seem to have emptied out the toolboxes in the engine room and the knife racks in the kitchen. Just about every "weapon" is a tool or kitchen knife (or even a butcher's steel). And if they really were used as weapons, why aren't they "bagged and tagged" for use as evidence against the protesters. Since they were shown piled up, they cannot be used as evidence and thus were obviously not used as weapons by the protesters so Chris Matthews is nothing more a shitty little "useful idiot" for the Israeli propaganda machine.
Give over, zamaaz is too stupid/useless for even the Israeli hasbara mob to want to use him.
zamaaz – are all Zionists morons like you? I only ask because your comments here indicate that you are a moron, so I wonder if there is something about Zionism that renders its follower moronic. Perhaps you should at read up on international law before you come out with such dumb claims.
The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea allows territorial waters of twelve nautical miles not 68 or 70 miles or whatever else the Israelis decide to claim it is.
BTW, the baseline is nothing more than the low water line unless the coastline is heavily indented in which a case a straight line can be drawn.
Do you even know the meaning of “archipelagic”? Well since you are too dumb to bother looking it up, I will tell you. It is defined in Merriam-Webster as ” of, relating to, or located in an archipelago”. Last time I looked there are no effing islands off the Mediterranean coast of Israel so “Archipelagic waters” are irrelevant.
Perhaps you are confusing the term “Archipelagic waters” with the term “Exclusive Economic Zone”. The trouble is that you have to be really dumb to think that the two are the same. The Exclusive Economic Zone gives that country the exclusive right to exploit natural resources but not to restrict navigation from the edge of territorial waters out to 200 nautical miles.
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zamaaz - are all Zionists morons like you? I only ask because your comments here indicate that you are a moron, so I wonder if there is something about Zionism that renders its follower moronic.
The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea allows territorial waters of twelve nautical miles not 68 or 70 miles or whatever else the Israelis decide to claim it is.
BTW, the baseline is nothing more than the low water line unless the coastline is heavily indented in which a case a straight line can be drawn.
Do you even know the meaning of "archipelagic"? Well since you are too dumb to bother looking it up, I will tell you. It is defined in Merriam-Webster as " of, relating to, or located in an archipelago". Last time I looked there are no effing islands off the Mediterranean coast of Israel so "Archipelagic waters" are irrelevant.
Perhaps you are confusing the term "Archipelagic waters" with the term "Exclusive Economic Zone". The trouble is that you have to be really dumb to think that the two are the same. The Exclusive Economic Zone gives that country the exclusive right to exploit natural resources but not to restrict navigation from the edge of territorial waters out to 200 nautical miles.
Why do I have this feeling that Zionists project their own violent and racist wet dreams and fears on other people. When the Zionists were sending ships into Palestine during the British Mandate, I am sure they would have accompanied them with warships if they had had them and would have used them when they came up against the Royal Navy. Now that an avowedly peaceful convoy of merchant and passenger ships is approaching Gaza, they seem think that it is going to shoot its way ashore.
BTW, the url of a biography of Avigdor Liberman just appeared on that Twitter feed. How fucking desperate is that?
yonira - I hope you got the note from your senior officer in the Habara Brigade not to go down the usual route of claiming that the US, UK, France and South Africa all supplied nuclear materials to a rogue state for the construction of nuclear weaapons so why shouldn't Israel do so as well and anything less would be anti-Semitic and a precursor to the next Holocaust™ in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
Actually, yonira, although you probably already know this since you a behaving in your usual disingenuous manner, it is you are wrong because the original story was not Israeli president denies offering nuclear weapons to apartheid South Africa published on Monday 24 May 2010 at 23.13 BST but the earlier articles Israel and apartheid: a marriage of convenience and military might and The memos and minutes that confirm Israel's nuclear stockpile published on Sunday 23 May 2010 at 21.00 BST.
You can work out that 21.00 BST on Sunday 23 May 2010 is earlier than 23.13 BST on Monday 24 May 2010? I now hope that you will do the honourable thing and admit that you a lying shit and then that you will apologize to all the people you have maligned in this thread. However, since most Zionists are dishonourable lying shits, I have little expectation that you will.
It all depends on how you parse Peres' statement. Kershner claims the Peres didn't offer to sell warheads to the South Africans, that could mean either that the South Africans asked to buy nuclear weapons or that Israel offered to barter nuclear warheads. Israel had already traded 30 gms of heavy water (tritium probably bought from the British or Norwegians) for 500 tones of uranium yellowcake, so why not trade warheads for something else.
Yet again the Zionists delegitimize Israel.