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The War of Ideas in the Middle East
It is not moral to silence Michael Oren. He is a great speaker and should be allowed to freely express his position and that of the Jewish state of Israel.
Throwing shoes at people and shouting them down is a violation of the first amendment and should be abhorred by all.
VR,
I have never had a Sweden name, I have heard you say that before and I would like to make that clear.
Jews are not colonialists since they are the native inhabitants of Israel.
VR, it is not moral to mock the Jewish refugees from Gaza. They have the right to return to their land in Gaza, not to build shacks but to build homes, even nicer than before.
Also it should be noted that not all Jewish refugees from Gaza live in Judea and Samaria many still suffer in temporary homes north of Gaza.
Excuse me, because they do exist. Stripping Jews of the rights to their lands is not the right way to peace.
"Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country"
--Preamble, Mandate for Palestine (July 24, 1922)
I disagree, I believe in fact the opposite, in that an antisemite is one that wishes suffering and expulsion for the Jewish people from their land in Gaza, Hebron and Jerusalem.
It is not faking in the least to point out to moral, legal and historical rights of the Jewish people to their land in Gaza and Ramallah
Israel is the Jewish state so there is no confusion.
Fayyad's signals are a positive step in the right direction.
I Agree with eee
VR, it is not right to silence people that you do not believe in. I have never violated the comments policy on this website.
Just as you can comment on Jpost and other sites, I can comment on here.
It is not moral to say that Jews have no right in Gaza. Jews have every moral, ethical, and legal right to live, grow, and thrive in Gaza, Ramallah, Hebron and Jerusalem.
I have never broken the comments policy of this website. I am simply arguing equal rights.
It is not correct to ban or silence people because of their views.
Simply because a person carries a camera does not make them an accredited member of the press. Even accredited members of the press can be subversives as well.
Shingo,
It's possible to deligitimize any argument by calling it a straw man, however that is evasive.
It is a fact that many commenters support the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Gaza, Hebron and Jerusalem, there are many written statements to that effect.
Shingo I completely agree with that statement.
Thanks for the heads up Yonira.
A camera does not a journalist make.
I think it is ironic. I find that it is the haters of Israel and Jews that mainly bring up Holocaust issues.
I consider the UN a biased organization.
It is not appropriate the bring up Nazis or the Holocaust any time an argument may seem to be lost.
Not so Chaos, even if I was in the minority, which I am not, I am entitled to my correct position. Jews are the legal, historical and and moral claimants tot he entire land of Israel.
That doesn't mean I hate Arabs or wish them harm. I simply love Jews and wish to see them success.
I hold that Gaza is Jewish land and not occupied territory. It seems to be deflection that you are practicing. In any case we should all be supporting equal rights for both Jews and Arabs in the land of Israel. The fact is that the only group that has been cleansed from Gaza in decades en masse has been Jews.
Excuse me sir, but I am against the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Gaza, Jerusalem, and Hebron.
It is not supremicism to oppose that. In fact the opposite, it is supremecism to say that only Arabs can live in Gaza and that Jews must be made refugees, their homes, destroyed and taken over, to make the area Judenrein.
Do you denounce the expulsion of the Jews of from Gaza in 2005 commonly known as the expulsion or disengagement, which forcefully removed 10,000 Jews and destroyed their homes?
yes or no
Chaos,
It seems as though it is you that should be referred as Mr. Bulldozer. The largest scale of ethnic cleansing in Israel in the past decades has been against Jews in Gaza, fully supported by bulldozers and you have not disavowed your support of that crime.
My message is that we should not destroy Jewish homes and we should not destroy Arab homes.
In Gaza Jews were ethnically cleansed and their homes bulldozed. This was a terrible event that I never want to see again.
I hold that Gaza is Jewish land and that definitely zoning laws apply, houses should be build legally according to Israeli law, other than that I don't justify the destruction of Arab homes unless they are illegal or the occupants belong to terror organizations or have committed acts of terror.
I'm not sure what you mean. Potsherd was the one that said that, implying that Jewish homes should be destroyed and Jews trampled if they don't run fast enough.
I think that Jews have every right to live in Gaza, in fact in 2005 Jews were ethnically cleansed from Gaza.
Thanks Yonira, I'm so glad you have been holding down the fort. It's so important to fight for the equal rights of both Jews and Arabs.
I was concerned I was banned for saying that. It's so interesting but it is claimed so many times on this website that it is ok to expel and hurt Jews One step ahead of the bulldozers if they step quickly
We need to respect freedom of religion
Israel is the Jewish state so no conflation is needed. Much as Arabs do not need be conflated with Ishmael, there is not much conflation to be done vis a vis Jews and the tribes of Israel
I'm thankful that Schumer has consistently been on Israel's side. It should be noted that his constituency is Zionist as well.
RoHa, I appreciate the help.
What we should focus on is enabling massive Jewish settlement of Ramallah and Jerusalem.
The above comments are untrue, Jordanians destroyed Jewish graves in Jerusalem, Jewish graves are vandalized in Yemen and in many other places.
The above comments are false and a lie. Synagogues were burnt in Gaza.
The above poster is an anti-semite
Yet nothing is said of the burning of Jewish synagogues in Gaza. Nothing is said of the Jordanian Waqf preventing Jews from praying at the temple mount.
Name one Islamic country with a Museum of Tolerance.
Ugh, Goldstone makes me SICK.
What a dirty traitor.
He should be barred from ALL Jewish events. This guy is really a piece of work.
No? Are they supposed to have Syrian and Egyptian names, Cairo accents and arm themselves with Iranian hardware?
Interesting how the first video shows a picture of the entire state of Israel labeled as Palestine.
That completely discredits your source as anti-semitic ethnic cleansers.
it has never been proven that trees were uprooted by Jews.
More people should plant trees in Israel, this is a worthy effort.
There should be an entire production dedicated to planting trees in Israel, that would do very will in the box office.
I just saw the FULL PAGE AD in the New York Times by Elie Wiesel concerning Jerusalem.
JUST beautiful I hope to see more like these in the future and I am so proud and happy right now to see that. I want to frame it and put it on my wall.
Either way I'm so glad that Taxi driver was permanently stopped.
Israel has many friends worldwide and Israel will prevail.
I could care less either way
Wait and see my friend :)
Yes, the idea is in deep progression with the Chinese. Thank you for your interest.
So interesting the arguments that are presented here.
Jews! Don't settle on your own land and we won't need to violate your human rights. What a sick catch 22
Mooser, read the bible, in any case, do you?
eljay,
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel for ever and ever and ever :)
Actually yes correction is required. There is a Land of Israel which belongs to Jews.
Jews are not theives, it is Jewish land.
In fact there is a Jewish nation and the Land of Israel is Jewish land. I have to correct eljay on those points.
Again we see dehumanization of Zionists, before it was operating system and ape, this time it is "goat" the goal remains the same, to remove the humanity of the Zionist and make it easier to violate their human rights.
Either way to answer Walid, he is correct that Islamic claim to Jerusalem is tenuous at best, and that Jesus was a Jew and therefore had the right to live as he did in Israel.
In this case then I shall report potsherd for threating to run over Jews with bulldozers if they dont "step quickly"
I shall also report any whom espouse the violence aginst Jews in Hebron by destroying their home.
Arabs execute "collaboraters" with Israel all the time. Israel would be just the same to execute traitors like Kam.
In the USA their have been high profile cases of people being jailed for decades. Take Pollard for example. Ethel and Julius Rosenburg are another example.
It is not against the comments policy that I think that Anat Kam should be executed, no more than it would be against the policy to say that I truly believe pollard should be freed. Or that anyone could say they think it was proper for Ethel and Julius to be killed.
The woman is a traitor plain and simple. She deserves execution on the high end, life in prison or some such thing. She did a very very bad thing and must be punished.
DONT SILENCE ME!
Then I should report Potsherd for saying pollard should be executed.
What's fair is fair right?
Until you condemn all bulldozing you are in the wrong.
Also there have been more Jews killed by Arab bulldozers than Arabs and radical leftists killed by Jewish ones.
USA Aide to Israel is practically nothing and easily replaced with Chinese aide.
No because the Xtian bible is based on the Jewish one. Jerusalem is Jewish land.
And Anat Kam should be executed.
Are you not the one that said that Jews should "Step quickly to stay one step ahead of the bulldozers"? Potsherd, you espouse the view that Jewish homes should be destroyed by bulldozers and if the Jews are not fast enough they should be run under them and killed.
This in my view, derails the conversation much more and puts you in a very immoral position.
For me, the Jew that I am, Jerusalem is above politics. It is mentioned more than six hundred times in Scripture -- and not a single time in the Koran. Its presence in Jewish history is overwhelming. There is no more moving prayer in Jewish history than the one expressing our yearning to return to Jerusalem. To many theologians, is IS Jewish history, to many poets, a source of inspiration. It belongs to the Jewish people and is much more than a city, it is what binds one Jew to another in a way that remains hard to explain. When a Jew visits Jerusalem for the first time, it is not the first time; it is a homecoming. The first song I heard was my mother's lullaby about and for Jerusalem. Its sadness and joy are part of our collective memory.
Elie Wiesel spoke very true and beautiful words.
For me, the Jew that I am, Jerusalem is above politics. It is mentioned more than six hundred times in Scripture -- and not a single time in the Koran. Its presence in Jewish history is overwhelming. There is no more moving prayer in Jewish history than the one expressing our yearning to return to Jerusalem. To many theologians, is IS Jewish history, to many poets, a source of inspiration. It belongs to the Jewish people and is much more than a city, it is what binds one Jew to another in a way that remains hard to explain. When a Jew visits Jerusalem for the first time, it is not the first time; it is a homecoming. The first song I heard was my mother's lullaby about and for Jerusalem. Its sadness and joy are part of our collective memory.
The US should STOP financial support to Israel. China would be a much better partner than the USA.
The USA has betrayed Israel by supporting the ethnic cleansing of Jews and ditching Israel to appease the Arabs.
The United States of America doesn't respect the rights of Jews to Jerusalem and they have no right to tell Jews where to build or not in Jewish land.
The only thing the USA should do is free Pollard.
What a weird comment, in any case Jews can plant and remove trees where they wish in Judea, Ramallah, etc, since it is Jewish land.
Avi,
Do answer your question, I will always consider the PLO, Fatah, the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, etc, as terrorists.
Correction, Jews are the real natives of Judea and Samaria.
The only people that anyone talks about committing pogroms against on this site are Jews.
I shall quote potsherd for reference They will be one step ahead of the bulldozers if the step quickly
I have reported the above comment for honoring terrorists from HAMAS and PLO.
Do you think that those Jews should be forcefully expelled and their homes destroyed? Simple question.
Yonira,
Do you think that Jews should be expelled by force from their homes in Hebron?
Potsherd supports bulldozing Jewish homes and Jews themselves if they don't "step quickly"
Taxi you are not making sense,
Rather than support terrorist doubling as Taxi drivers you can add something substantive to the conversation.
Either way my post is accurate. Anti-semites like you won't last! Watch as Jerusalem is build massively before your very eyes. Watch and weep :)
Israel is Jewish land, Jewish rule in Israel far predates Arab colonization. There are two themes in this comments section
1) Deny Jews their rights to their land by using anti-semitic Khazar theories
2) Call Arabs the real descendants of Jews
A sort of sick replacement theology that should be reported at any chance possible
Jews have the right to self determination in their aboriginal homeland of Israel.
I think you are certifiably insane, days are long over where Jews need numbers, tattoos, serials, etc.
In any case we should be supporting massive settlement of Jews in Israel, not opposing it.
Also Sumud, you can only report people for what they actually say, you can't just make something up and then report that.
So then I shall report anyone on this website that say all settlers are terrorists.
Sumud some questions for you, I can report you on the answers
1) Do you support forcefully removing Jews from Hebron and Jerusalem
2) Do you support the dismantlement of HAMAS
3) Do you support the status quo where it is illegal for Jews to pray on the temple mount?
Please answer and I will report you for your answers.
Shingo,
Actually I meant the opposite, unless you mean the Arabs occupying Jewish land?
HAMAS in Gaza, PLO in Ramallah, all over Israel there are terrorists Arab organizations.
DON’T SILENCE ME
You seek to silence Jews and Zionist because you don't agree with them.
1) Step one: Make up an absurd lie about a terrorists Taxi driver being eliminated during the 1967 war
2) Step two: threaten to ban and silence anyone who calls you on your lie.
In any case, I am entitled to my views. If I should be banned for asserting Jewish rights to their land, then you should be banned for espousing the intent to ethnically cleanse Jews from their lands.
DON’T SILENCE ME
Maybe the Arabs in Israel would Abandon terrorism first?
DON'T SILENCE ME
Just because a terrorists job is being a Taxi driver does not mean it is murder to stop him before he commits an act of terror.
That being said you constantly seek to justify suicide bombings, you should be reported for that
DON'T SILENCE ME
Taxi,
It isn't right to support PLO terrorists in a time of war. I know exactly what happened that your family was in a group of ultra leftist supporters. That is why they were being monitored during the dinner of the night before where they were planning attacks.
Thanks goodness this Taxi driver was stopped in time.
That being said, we need to focus on importing issues such as building large Jewish communities in Ramallah and Nablus.
eee is right, we should be fully supporting zionism rather than BSD
Just another justification of anti-semitism on this forum. Nothing new.
Thanks but no thanks, I wouldn't touch pappes work with a ten foot pole
Yonira,
You do know that Jews have title to many homes in Hebron and Jerusalem?
Are you in favor of expelling Jews and ethnically cleansing Jews from Judea and Samaria?
I would remove the rape part. In any case, Jews have prevailed and are right to massively colonize and settle their own land which includes Jerusalem, Ramallah, Hebron, and Gaza.