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Dan, the "iron" is riddled with rust.
UN bid looms - steal more land.
Nomination process in US, attention to Israeli crime unlikely - steal more land.
Hostility to Iran ramped up, world media attention distracted - steal more land, destroy more Palestinian homes.
At this rate, the Israeli rapist will end up married to the Palestinian victim because the world won't accept a bunch of bantustans or outright ethnic cleansing that expels them. And hopefully not one that leaves ethnosupremacism for one group in its laws when they're half the population.
Weird it is!
Here's an article claiming EU pushing PA land grab:
link to indynewsisrael.com
Which seems to be selling the fairy tale that Area C belongs to them under Oslo, and that anyway the Arab population of the area is under 6 (yeah, that's SIX) percent. Wow. Ethnic cleansing during past 44 yrs in Area C must have been more effective than in '48. Didn't Hostage inform/remind us that these A, B, C divisions were only supposed to last a matter of 5 yrs while a solution should be found??
Neither the US or the UK carry guilt for the holocaust!
If Israel wants to spread it around that far, then it should wear its own guilt on its sleeve and fully reveal and acknowledge its own harmful (to Jewish, if not zionist) dealings with the Nazis.
And the proxies are playing along nicely just today, US, UK plus other navies cocking a snook at Iran parading in the Straits of Hormuz, further crackdowns on their oil trade and finance, Wm Hague burbling in his monotone about not complying with UN resolutions....
What is tiny Israel? Some kinda lion-tamer? What do they hold over our politicians that they'll do Israel's bidding?
Danon says "cede" as if it were Israeli already!
This is the problem in one word.
Unbreakable bond?
But no one wants to meet Avigdor Lieberman!
link to english.al-akhbar.com
Max Blumenthal on Lieberman's visit to Washington, and the lack of any admin officials who want to meet with him. At all. Deliciously funny.
Damnit, the link won't work, but there's nothing wrong with it!
Arrested for farting on a soldier! I love it!
Recommend that all activists eat the fartiest food they can find before any future participation in demonstrations, make the world laugh when they too are arrested for farting on the IOF!
Martin van Creveld just said Israel can live with a nuclear Iran just as well as South Korea can live with a nuclear North Korea.
Here's one of them, Aziz Dweik:
link to bbc.co.uk
which I read at snore o'clock this morning.
Meanwhile, bbcR4's news at Ten is coming right now from Jerusalem.
"governed under one law for all people."
Israel won't like that resolution at all unless that's removed!
It's the key quote for those who are 1ss.
Israel - State sponsor of terrorism!
I've also read they're finalising operational plans for distribution to IKF (K=killing) to hit Gaza again "within months":
link to middleeastmonitor.org.uk
I can't find where I saw it the other day, but yes, Latma had a part in the ad.
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You enfold (consenting) diaspora Jews into your concept of nationhood (the others you excommunicate). You are therefore stating that those Jews who, for instance, are zionists but serve in the political administration of their birth country, have dual loyalty and are likely to be prevailed upon to put their foreign nation (Israel) before their birth nation. Yet if those of us who disagree with this traitorousness to our nations complain (or merely point it out) you cast accusations of anti-semitism like confetti. Your notion of "nation" simply comes back around to bite you on the butt!
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There is/was! The Falkland Islands, more than 200 miles from anywhere else, a tiny population (probably only a few hundred way back in the 1880's, now around 3000). Not to mention natural resources and access to Antarctica and its potential resources.
The attack on the Liberty was no accident.
The following 10yr old bbc documentary (in 7 ten minute chunks following each other) explains fully, with eye witness accounts, documentation and archive footage, what really happened:
link to gilad.co.uk
The "Look! Scary Iran!" theme also effectively diverts political and media energy from the Palestine UN bid, and media energy (such as it is) from noticing increasing violence and land theft in the OPT. 3 birds with one 'stoning' as it were.
I want to be optimistic, but:
link to richardsilverstein.com
Nearly three quarters of a million Israelis lived beyond the Green Line in 2011.
Israel controls Palestinian communications networks.
All they have to do if it happens again is cut them and isolate Palestine from the world. More collective punishment for the prisoners of Gaza. And the world will make its few feeble squawks for as long as it lasts!
Sadly, Iran itself has decided to blame the CIA for the killings, claiming to have evidence of their involvement. They also take a sideswipe at us in the UK for seemingly knowing about a covert campaign.
link to guardian.co.uk
If an MSM outlet were to reveal this to the public, expect Congress and the Senate to pass a resolution condemning them for blaming poor little Israel. Truth doesn't matter, the USA electorate doesn't matter, donors do matter.
Obscene.
The same people who let the troops think it's ok to abuse at Guantanamo let them think it was ok to abuse at Abu Ghraib, and let them think it was ok to piss on dead Taliban. The Dersh was all over the msm arguing the legality of torture, as was Rumsfeld. Bush marked his x on all the relevant docs. That this man (along with many others) was known to be totally innocent MUST make his treatment a blatant war crime for which there ought to be prosecution. Why are they above the law???
B-b-but.....He was blond and blue eyed in all of little Ricky's Bible storybooks!
'Course he'll recognize him!
And on Tuesday, merely the day before, Benny Gantz "predicted" unnatural events in Iran:
link to jpost.com
So, are you arguing for further ethnic cleansing, or for extending Israeli citizenship to the non-Jewish inhabitants of the OPT? If the former, that of course makes you a Zio-racist.
Conditioned from birth, wherever they're from originally, to believe a collection of lies.
That's Zionism, folks.
RW
You are stating that antiZionism = antiSemitism.
Then you attempt to claim that the "urge" to found Israel only came after WWII, in the "ashes" of the Holocaust, despite being an ideology half a century old at the time.
Yes. Zionism in practice has ALWAYS been racism. Only in hasbara fogged brains has it ever been a rosy dream.
The "posse's prejudices" are against Zionism, they are not antiSemitic.
Only people like you can continue justifying a decades old ongoing violent criminal enterprise.
RW
How hideously prejudiced you are.
You demand that land thieves in the West Bank be allowed to somehow, thru' rigged Israeli laws obviously, "perfect" title to the stolen land, but also insist that only those refugees with title to currently unoccupied land be permitted to return to the land of their or their fathers birth. That's how you'd make your "color-blind" law work for the only people you give a damn about! Prevent access TO your "color-blind" law! Huh.
Mendacity writ large.
I quite liked "cosnervative".
Not your ytpos then?
:-)
Meanwhile
10,000 trespassing Jews:
link to middleeastmonitor.org.uk
Apparently there are no known Jewish links in the village, only Muslim shrines linked to Quranic personalities. But still they come.
I'm glad I can wander in the local woods without worrying about more than tripping over tree roots! (Or avoiding the, er, leavings of others pet pooches)
Oh wow!
Actual movie footage of Palestine from 1896!
It was still part of the Ottoman Empire!
link to gilad.co.uk
This documentary is about the attempts of one elderly German doctor to uncover and bring to world attention the terrible radiation problems of depleted uranium in Iraq (and the attempts to thwart him). It's very well worth watching:
link to angryarabscommentsection.blogspot.com
Canadian population pre-war:
11,267,000
Canadian losses during war:
45,400
% pre-war population:
0.4
link to en.wikipedia.org
Trust a farmer.....................but who on earth would want to breed from that monstrosity?!
RW
Is the action of using children dressed in these holocaust clothes offensive?
Is the use of holocaust imagery to claim persecution offensive?
There are plenty of pictures - even on FailedMessiah - of children so dressed surrounded by their grinning fathers/brothers/cousins etc. Those weren't chosen here. Just the one punctuated with the blue neon "OY".
And the blue neon "OY" in the background of the photograph just tops your joke!
Hmm. A man who clearly saw the writing on the wall *and believed* it, when others were playing it down - after all, who could really think a civilized nation would ever even consider such monstrous evil?
And there are parallels.
N49
The link doesn't work, and one I found thru' ebooksbrowse says the pdf has been deleted! Maybe 'they' don't like the wrong folks reading it!
hopbrain
"unrealistic...to stop building new houses for their kids"
But so realistic to raze Palestinian homes, steal land, water, resources, maim and kill Palestinians who protest this theft, aint it?
What a load of crap you write.
The headline missed:
Israel killed 180 Palestinians, including 21 children in 2011.
link to middleeastmonitor.org.uk
Avi
I cant' find where I saw this too, but iirc, didn't it also say that it would remain on file until/unless Palestinian RoR and other reparations were seriously on the table?
Annie
Ah, but - the West's politicians, policy wonks, etc, hadn't at that time got out of the Cold War mindset. And Dad was fraternizing with Russian servicemen who had left behind the USSR mindset and very much wanted to be the West's new BFF.
In '91, the 'soviets' really, really wanted to be invited to be part of the war against Saddam. Dad came home with that nugget, along with a furry hat with ear flaps. Several of their ships were in the area. Dad was Royal Fleet Auxilliary at the time.
As for Wes Clark being alarmed at the Iraq war plans afoot, why he was the fellow who nearly started WWIII in Yugoslavia, wanting to bomb Russian planes coming into the damn airport, to the consternation of our guys, whom he tried to rope into his plans! They thwarted that one.
Here's another video, this time from the Global March to Jerusalem planned for March 30 2012:
link to youtube.com
Yup, course it is!
Hope your 2012's a good'un.
It's 5mins to next year here.
Hope it's a great year for everyone, especially those in Palestine.
Asked for a 'wild' prediction for 2012, a bbc correspondent said the Reps will be so disillusioned with the current field that Jeb Bush would step in, be selected and win the presidency.
RW
The Zionist ideal has NEVER EVER been "live and let live"!
It has ALWAYS been "live and let LEAVE" at its least harmful!
People here are incapable of penetrating the dense fog of hasbara that constitutes your mind - in part because of your hypersensitivity to the merest perceived insult or slightest provocation of "fear", which is combined with your impervious INSENSIBILITY to the slurs you cast on those who either disagree with you or utterly fail to comprehend the weird way you combine words.
Hey, hypocritty witty, how many times have you raised this "enemy" stuff when oiks like eee & his ilk refer to all Palestinians as 'the enemy'?
And since when did he call *you* his enemy? You're not Israeli, you're just an American Jew, albeit one who can barely see the tiniest flaws in the diamond Israel.
You might not "hate" - what the hell reason would you have to do so? - but you sure are indifferent to any suffering inflicted by your jewel on those it oppresses.
How on earth can the "Center for Security Policy" describe itself as non-partisan? It's personnel are self-declared right-wing racists, be that in the US sense or the Israeli sense! How can funding the blatantly racist Latma videos be remotely conducive of "Peace through Strength"? More like dominion thru hate. And so much for being about American security! These hate-fests can hardly promote that.
A man who was paid a hefty sum by a USAID contractor to break Cuban law?
link to en.wikipedia.org
As opposed to a man against whom there appear to be no charges?
Annie, look up orchidectomy! :-D
(Well, I've seen it spelt with the d in it)
dumvi
my last sentence was a jibe at what appears to be either a lack of understanding of what actually is going on in our parts (or a deliberate focus on the worst elements) and the sweeping generalisations you make. And your obnoxious assumptions that any of us here are happy with those 'worst' elements - that's downright offensive.
I tend largely to a similar pov to that of Woody. But our less repressed west will have trips and stumbles before it matures. You seem to tend towards a world where sexual indiscretions were swept under a carpet, as also were sexual assaults. Women and children suffered in silence, homosexuals were closeted and could have few if any proper relationships. In my view things are moving in a better direction. The man who assaulted my son and his friends when he was just 10 served only 15months. Ten years earlier it would have been less. Now over 20 years on, it would be much longer. Just think of the horrors inflicted on women and children of your faith by those whom they were supposed to be able to trust above all - the priesthood. Openness and mature adult choice are a good, not a wrong. Religious excess - as is obvious in the above video - and repression can damage one's sexuality.
dumvi
Now that you've defined masculinity for us, and what you believe western men have lost due to sexual 'freedom', perhaps you'll inform us how you define femininity and tell us what western wimmin have lost due to same. Then just throw in whether you're celibate/a nun, ok?
What disgusts me the most is that the ultra-Ortho in the car, as well as others are saying they are "normal" men who fear being sexually tempted by provocatively dressed (ie not according to their prescription) pre-pubescent little girls. No wonder some of their women are going for the burqa! They want to protect their kids from these perverts.
"deplorable nation"? Really Yossi? Maybe "morally bankrupt"? The word is difficult to translate, or perhaps too embarrassing. Google translate starts with "wasteful", then offers
Harmful
Damaged
Worthless
Is it the last that Edelstein really meant? This racist scumbag should be looking in the mirror.
And don't forget, the Palestinians have to PAY for all those stupid passes. Surely that surpasses South African Apartheid!
Human beings being totally dehumanized and herded like animals at market.
Fucking disgusting. Completely unnecessary.
I'm sure they reflect public opinion in much the same way and at least as well as heavily relied upon political polls, which might ask a thousand out of many millions of people their views or voting intentions.
$1.036 trillion? Since that is over $16.7bn for each of the 62years since '49, where does the myth of a mere $3bn come from? How do individual US states with similar population compare in what they get per annum? Flamin heck, it's several thousands of dollars annually for each and every 'Israeli' (omitting Palestinians) man, woman and child!
Bit dodgy if the T gets taken away. Perhaps they should have gone for the"Zionist Israel Project" and become "ZIP"?
Oh dear!
It's holiday season, so they can't order their stooges in Washington to issue a resolution condemning Europe et al!
Never mind, there's plenty of dualists within, with Israel's interests/demands foremost, to put the fix in on whatever joint projects are being worked on, causing higher costs/reduced benefits to these terrible anti-semite countries.
Internal affair? Domestic affair? How much plainer can they make it that they are no partner for 'peace' and have no intention of permitting a state of Palestine to exist?
The condemnation of settlements and settler violence goes beyond the EU.
In order to avoid a US veto on a single statement, "All the regional and political groupings on the UN Security Council have criticised Israeli settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian territories"
Included were the EU, the Non-Aligned Movement, the Arab Group, emerging states known as IBSA and Russia.
link to bbc.co.uk
If these all weren't mentioned in Haaretz, maybe they're just trying avoid frightening their readers!
Why the L should he? It's pithy and accurate.
iirc, Iran was hosting well over a million Afghan refugees at the time of 9/11, driven by a mixture of famine and fighting. Has the barmy judge construed that some of those were Taliban and AQ, thus equating providing succour with material support?
Dog's dinner -
NY judge finds IRAN liable for 9/11!!!!!
Whaaaa??
link to guardian.co.uk
"Findings of fact" that Iran provides material support to al Qaeda?
What do we get from these recipes?
Bitter lemons?
Humble Pie?
Or a loaf of dread? (ie fear for career!)
Annie, this is much bigger than a handful of EU states.
link to bbc.co.uk
It's ALL the regional and political groupings on the UN Security Council.
They couldn't issue a single press release because that would incur a US veto.
They also condemn settler and right wing violence.
The dynamic between him and his brother Peter is crazy.
Peter is right-wing, evangelical Christion-Zionist who (if I recall correctly) was against the Iraq War. The brothers scrapped and took opposite positions all their lives. yet they seem incredibly alike.
Instead, tho' he was fired from the IDF, the police then hired him to be their 'liaison' with the East Jerusalem Palestinians.
Real name Doron Zahavi.
link to richardsilverstein.com
And we all know how wonderfully well that's turning out for them.
Reporter squarely lays blame for violence at Nabi Saleh on Israel in the second link to bbc.
I was impressed to find out that Peter Higgs (Boson fame) wouldn't go to Israel to collect the Wolf Prize in Physics he was awarded in '04.
link to bbc.co.uk
(Profile - 14mins)
link to en.wikipedia.org
What reparations were ever made to the Roma people post-WWII?
How do we in the UK even tell the difference between our Gypsy or Irish Traveller minorities? I don't even know which my son's Ma-in-Law is! She has a lot of racism herself towards most minorities, so I don't approach the subject. Surely those two groups are the longest established & least understood in this country.
My dad is a Palestine Vet. However, he is not an anti-semite, or my best mate and I wouldn't have had any sleepovers! Anyway, he also had a grandfather and stepmother-in-law who were Jewish. I do remember angry mutterings about Israeli terrorists during 67, but was too young then to question him. At his first Palestine Vets gathering in October, we did not hear the "I" word once from any of the old folks gathered. And when he spoke of a certain ship, he referred to it by the name "President Warfield".
Mostly, the vets feel their campaign is a forgotten campaign, as also are their experiences, and losses.
IDF Spokesman Brigadier Yoav Mordechai, when asked what the reaction would be had the Settler rioters and stone throwers been Palestinian:
"I assume, Carmela, that you wouldn't expect the brigade commander to open fire at a Jew standing in front of him, I am certain you didn't mean that."
link to 972mag.com
Blatant admission of apartheid in practice.
Clearly it is permissible for IOF "soldiers" to act like a bunch of rioting armed thugs. "Soldiers" and "Shtetlers" are one and the same.
Israel is, I believe,deliberately attempting to provoke the Palestinian response from non-violent one to a new phase of violence. They are scared of the UN bid, and they are scared of losing (they've already lost) control of the I/P narrative. There's only so much the Palestinians can take before they succeed, and still not enough of the truth about Israel is breaking thru the US/Zio MSM Wall around reality.
This Israeli viciousness was planned, just waiting for the excuse to happen. How many times do we have to hear the racism these soldiers have been raised with from infancy? Had there been pits or ovens nearby, who could doubt that these people, whom they often state are less than human, have no right to exist on the land they covet, would have been thrown in? The mindset is NO different than that in another place far away three generations ago.
"I assume, Carmela, that you wouldn't expect the brigade commander to open fire at a Jew standing in front of him, I am certain you didn't mean that."
link to 972mag.com
IDF spokesman on being asked about the response had the rioters been Palestinian.
Here's a shocker:
link to haaretz.com
Take the Israeli Zionist Chief Rabbi and get him appointed UK's Chief Rabbi, with an automatic slot in the House of Lords, therefore part of Britain's government. The member of the anglo-Jewish community with the far reaching connection to the royal court can only be Ambassador Gould of Fox/Werritty/Gould infamy.
And it's so nice to know he beleives in population transfer. Of Palestinians in Gaza to the Sinai Peninsula.
link to en.wikipedia.org
Likud's perfect candidate for the UK?
What *is* a petard?
A small bomb used to blow up gates or walls.
petard from middle french peter, to break wind.
link to en.wikipedia.org
So Block's plans to smear critics of Israel blows up in his face, and leaves a lingering pong that settles not only over him but over those who play the same dirty tricks.
Edit - must have been one of those skunkwater grenade thingies.
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"How do you explain...attacks from Gaza to Israel between 1948 and 1967 when Israel did not control one square millimeter of Gaza?"
eeeeeezeeee.
Tens of thousands of Palestinians who were NOT Gazan, had been expelled at gunpoint from their lands, their homes, to have them stolen by and for people like eeee. Quite naturally, these people wanted back what had been stolen from them, and in the absence of any international military support took matters into their own hands in their attempts to do so. These people were not terrorists but freedom fighters, unlike the murderous terrorists who created the alien state on their land who followed a murderous ethno-supremacist ideology that required, planned for and carried out massacres and expulsions.
While the squatter entity might not have been in "control" of the land of Gaza at that time, it exercised control over the refugees whom it refused to allow to return to their homes and lands in contravention of international law. The refugees had every right to attempt to fight them.
Chaos4700
Nearly, but not quite:
"I don't understand why everyone isn't weeping and wailing on the comment threads for all the Ayrabs being killed by their fellow Ayrabs! Why is it only when they're killed by Israelis, by my fellow Jews for whom I have such an affinity?"
Are you really so oblivious, so blind to the screaming hypocrisy of your own first comment on this thread??? The humongous double standards you display with every comment?
If you weren't you'd be blushing so hard your comments would turn red.
Wow Richard.
When did slingshots and stones become official weapons denoting "military confrontations between enemies?"
Israel.
Raises and teaches its kids to hate implacably then sends them out to maim and kill the 'objects' of national hate.
Uses worldwide co-religionists to fund its evil enterprise and buy off the politicians of its sponsor nation.
Israel = EVIL
Does f*cking Liebobitch not understand the difference between a slingshot flinging stones at an armored bloody vehicle, and the the use of a gun to fire a canister directly at a human face?????!!!!!
There is NO effing excuse that is remotely adequate for what the IOF or filthy "border" police shites do.
On a news bulletin a couple hours ago, unnamed "defense analysts" quoted as saying the lack of damage meant it couldn't possibly be real, must be some kind of hoax.
Oh yes!! Of course!! NOT.
The Land of Palestine, on which the State of Israel squats and dumps.
So, here we could use a Breivikian term, and call Philip Pullman a "cultural Christian", and from there also call eee a "cultural Jew". We could assume they enjoy Christmas or Hanukkah, may recall various prayers and occasionally participate in religious services, but due to lack of any faith or belief, are not REAL Christian or Jew.
From your bolthole in Israel, you maynot recall the appalled reaction of neocons to the "anti-Americanism" they felt they met with when appearing on UK discussion panels. After 9/11 as well as after Iraq.
A toast to Mondo's Queen Annie!
I'll just pop some bread under the grill.....
Don't give him ideas, Mooser!
Or there'll be a "MondoWatch" site, same as there's a "CIFWatch" for the Guardian's Zionist grumblers.
marc b
I'd suggest the "equivalence" arises when anger and antipathy over the deeds of Israel is expressed against Jews anywhere who may, if asked, be just as appalled. If they are blamed because Israel conflates itself with all Jews anywhere, it would still be anti-semtism to blame any and all Jews, yes? That's where our media and politicians fall down too, by accepting and regurgitating Israel's constant conflations and contributing to the problem - much, I'm sure, to Israel's satisfaction. (It's a dangerous world out there, come to your perfect homeland, Israel!)
What's even more offensive is that to this Joe character, the Israeli soldiers are "our" soldiers in a way that his serving American compatriots are not. So just who does Winkler belong to?
I saw that when there were about 30 or so comments, and was amazed at how the policy over at HuffPo must have changed - the vast majority were anti the rabid right, and pro Palestine! But Foxman is so careful to blame furriners for Israel's problems while stating the response is just a tad wrong.
Chaos, generally we do have better choices. However, there is a core of neocons within who look across the Atlantic for their political vision- most especially in the Conservative party. The privatisation of everything types.
I was listening to a senior member of the LibDem (junior coalition member) party, Menzies (Ming) Campbell attempting to explain the hostility to Iran yesterday. According to him, a lot of the concern is that if Iran successfully builds nuclear weapons capacity, there will be a rush for other Arab countries to do so, most particularly the fear being of Saudi Arabia going for its own bomb.
Personally, I think the West should have been making all sorts of peaceful/friendly overtures to Iran over the past decade, which would have been in our and their better interests.
Well, the IDF's broke. In the hole for about $2.4bn according to +972mag:
link to 972mag.com
So, will some of the wealthy donors find themselves tapped to help fill the hole, or will they be assessing the candidates to see which of them will be fastest to sign over even more US taxpayers money?
If someone is a Zionist, can they be accurately described as 'secular'? It is after all an ideology created to serve the demands of an ethno-religious group. Or perhaps it is necessary to introduce terms like 'zionist democrat' and 'zionist republican' to the US discourse. I expect that puts the most important (to said zd's or zr's) descriptor first. But then. no one would get elected unless they were both. would they?
One flaw....
Wouldn't they have to give up bacon? Just imagine, no more bacon butties! :-(
That's the other Naomi, seafoid, Wolf!
Did that settler apartment block in EJ that has who knows how many demolition orders get demolished yet? Weren't the five extra floors illegal? The settlers rule the whole country. Between now and March (being in UK, I'd initially thought it meant 3rd Dec) Yahu may have his bill to 'legalize' these settlements organised. Foresee compulsory purchase orders for pennies on the land value.