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I love the headline!
And, fired straight on as the angle in the pic suggests, do US readers imagine that rubber bullets just bounce off t-shirt clad chests of Palestinian boys and young men? Do NYT readers assume the soldiers need all that protective clothing against stones thrown by Palestinians?
Please explain why Israelis must be given time to "recover" from the "trauma" of the 2nd Indifada, yet the Palestinians don't seem to be considered to be traumatized by over 65years of dispossession, refugeehood, loss of land, loss of self-determination, constant raids and imprisonment by their occupiers, military offensives by same, and so on and so forth? It disgusts me to read in Israelcentric media all the mewling over poor traumatized Israelis after the weekends bombings, while constantly referring to "terrorists" in relation to Palestinians who *actually* died and were severely wounded in significant numbers. And, incidentally, even Israeli sites noted the rockets were a *response* to Israeli bombings!
We wanna see you shine, so it better be the video!
We know you're brilliant, see?
(oh dear, my tyop in above comment makes me sound half-cut)
Yes, saw it earlier this week, and OOH goody, looking forward to the video!
:-D
(I shought you might put something up mentioning before it happened, but no! Nerves, much?)
Annie
I hope you'll be reporting on your own speechifying yesterday - spotted you on the flier Miko's put up:
link to mikopeled.files.wordpress.com
Nah. Tis the Wicked Stepmother and the Ugly Sisters. Poor Cinderella of course, being Palestine, not invited to the Ball(s up).
That's no halo - that's the pantomime dame's mob cap!
@OlgaR
Does your response mean that you, from Russia, share Brooklynite Halevi's view that Israel should have endless entitlement from US taxpayers as well as the right to have all political demands met by the US as your client state? Israel's own personal Sugar Daddy?
Or, Israel must be indulges as the US's own little princess? Or she'll stamp her foot and fling a few bombs around?
Toivo
At least they got a Palestinian statesman rather than keeping it in the tribe! That's a novelty on primetime too.
How about partisan bumper stickers?
"Anti-Zionist for donkey's years" - with pair of donkeys ears - for the Dems.
"Anti-Zionist as long as I can remember" - with elephant with knotted trunk - for the Repugs.
Since candidates for both parties seem to have to prove their zionist credentials before election to higher office!
A new Bibi anthem?
link to youtube.com
Mr Bombastic!
There are an enormous number of jobs here in the UK which either specify car ownership as a 'qualification' or cannot be reached without a car. Our petrol prices come close to $8 per US gallon. A UK gallon would be well over $9.
Wot a pickle they've got themselves into!
So now they'll be culling the net for publications quoting former colonial subjects stating there's much to be grateful for from the colonial times. While I know there are some on the Brit Empire side (heard one or two just yesterday), I can't see many on the US side favoring it - even though you're a 'post' colonial state. Not white, black, brown or Native. Yet you're their bestest fwend!
Atzmon claims Israel isn't a colonial state since there wasn't a 'mother country', though I'd disagree, in that there were 'mother communities'. Which colonial model does Israel best mirror? It seems to have echoes and reflections of all the worst elements in any.
Is it queer to constantly have to remind you that several scores of Jews in Hebron in 1929 were SAVED by their PALESTINIAN neighbors? Is it queer that you have a blanket loathing and fear of Palestinians as a result, rather than recognition of common humanity? Or at least a recognition that one militant group did not and does not represent all? Can you perhaps refer us to any stories of soon-to-be-Israelis protecting their Palestinian neighbors from the Nakba?
@Charon
link to angryarabscommentsection.blogspot.com
Cynthia McKinney made that claim last year, in this short vid.
McConnell spoke before the man to whom he clearly feels greater allegiance than his own president. Netanyahu then told aipac, and more than half the US Congress who were present that the time for dipolomacy was over, and invoked the holocaust:
link to guardian.co.uk
With no quotes or links to anything Tonge said, this piece, in a supposedly leftist progressive blog (New Labour) uses her and O'Keefe's (to which it links) speeches to claim anti-semitism is alive and well in Europe:
link to progressonline.org.uk
The writer claims to be a member of the 'European Jewish Parliament', whatever that is and whatever it does.
link to guardian.co.uk
Magnitude 4.0 quake shakes San Francisco Bay Area
You ok I hope?
@giladg, Fredblogs and Mayhem
Even those Palestinians you consider guilty of heinous crimes ARE political prisoners. They are/were acting for a Cause, in just the same way as the prisoners held in Northern Ireland were, whether or not they killed civilians. If you recall, ALL such prisoners had to be released when a peace was reached in that situation. No matter whether they had killed babies or housewives, pensioners or merely shoppers. And for that the USA was on board, and encouraging. Such a contrast to the Israeli situation. We in the UK had to get used to legitimate politicians who once were terrorists. But in contrast, for much of its first few decades, the Israeli government was made up of politicians who were exactly the same kind of terrorists - and they are still part of the political scene - who were respected by one sector of the population, loathed by the 'other'.
Israel - born thru terror, run by terrorists, but failing to acknowledge the fact, inflicts yet more terror. Treats any and all efforts to fight back against its terror as terror. And the US is captive to its pov.
We're not as religiously policed by 'our' lobby, but they've been working harder since even Cameron was speaking out. 'Bicom' battering the Beeb, CSI claiming anti-semitism everywhere they look. etc.
Baroness Jenny Tonge, noted for speaking out with some frequency on this issue, refused to apologise for her latest speech at Middlesex University (as demanded by various Jewish orgs and, I think, someone from the Emb) and was sacked from her Party. She suggested that at some point the US public would cotton on to the Lobby, and the game would be up for Israel:
link to guardian.co.uk
link to middleeastmonitor.org.uk
Baroness Jenny Tonge has frequently spoken out against Israel and its occupation, but it seems she's caused a storm (in the Liberal teacup) with her latest:
link to guardian.co.uk
She's had the Liberal party whip withdrawn after saying "Israel would not be there forever" - half the full quote - at Middlesex University. She goes on to say the American people are going to have enough of the Israel lobby, Israel will lose support, and reap what it has sown.
I say, please let it be sooner rather than later.
Okey-doke!
I've made note to self, will pounce on Dad soon as he's back. Those i met last October were a great bunch, but all in their 80's of course. Theirs has been the missing narrative in the history, apart from Kosminsky's "Promise" last year.
England in May...
Mid May? I know there'll be a Palestine Veterans gathering then, somewhere in Staffordshire I think, can't ask Dad for details at moment as he's in Australia 'til the end of the month. They don't seem to be on line as a group, but he'll get snail mail informing him sometime soon. If you're interested (and in the country at the right time too!) I'll send details when I can.
With the lowest birthrate!
Heaven's sake, Fred. Just google 'explosions iran', and up pop loads of links. There were two blasts within a month at nuclear facilities just last November.
Oddly enough, 'scary Iran' was ramped up to a nearly ridiculous level at the exact same time as the latest Greek bailout was being argued aboud. Only to fade away again once the journalist killings in Syria took over the msm. Diversion and distraction.
Juan Cole has the comparisons of the Israeli and Iranian military up today:
link to juancole.com
Iran's military budget is a measly 9bn.
Israel's is said to be 16bn - but does this include US aid, or loan guarantees?
Just "becuase"he can!
I suggest you read the piece.
"In order to maintain a Jewish and democratic state, the electoral system will be adapted into a proportional-regional system. When the constituency boundaries are determined..."etc.
Might not exist now, but it's part of Uri Ariel's vision.
MK Uri Ariel has laid out his vision of a one state solution:
link to kibush.co.il
wherein he advocates annexation of 'Judea and Samaria', Palestinians to have permanent residency status, the right to vote in municipal but not Knesset elections, and the same rights to enjoy services as citizens of Israel. If they want to be citizens of their OWN country, then after FIVE years, they can attempt to jump thru a number of Israeli devised hoops, take a loyalty oath, and become Israelis in the land of their and however many generations of their forebears births. WOW. The generosity! Meanwhile, the Israelis would ensure their lesser citizenry (who would now have the right to vote in Knesset elections) remained so by gerrymandering Knesset voting districts to maintain a Jewish majority, and ensure they would still have a lesser status. Oh, and all the crimes we are aware of, well, they would simply be as they are treated already, facts on the ground.
It's a piece that really, really should be foregrounded/highlighted at the conference.
RoHa, lOOsen up, old fing!
I thought I'd fallen into some kind of spoof site the first few times i went to his site. He takes a lot of getting used to. I expected my computer to be zapped by all sorts of viruses or whatever for venturing there! He's difficult to read and harder to understand at times. However I'm not sure it's Judaism so much that he has a problem with as 'Jewishness', he tries to separate the two and comes up with his own definitions. Maybe he's one of Gladwell's 'outlier' types. But then, he is often provocative in the way he frames things. There is a lot of valuable stuff I've found there, usually that he's caught from elsewhere.
Thanks Danaa.
That contempt of diaspora you write of - that was ever present in "eee"s comments. Even for the victims of the holocaust (tho he exempted children).
When did hophmi move from New York? He's just another Israel firster in the US who can see no wrong ever in anything Israel does.
Don't we live in a topsy turvy world, when it lionises liars and ostracises honesty!
Congrats to your son.
It boils the blood! Palestinians, in their OWN land, will be treated as if they were IMMIGRANTS and expected to pass tests for citizinship in their OWN country AFTER 5 YEARS! But that won't apply to any Jew from Bog Hole, Nowheresville Anyotherland. And it leaves Gaza and its refugees in the wind.
FANtastic! Excellent. SLAPPed 'em down!
I had a colleague whose 'tache seemed to crawl around his face independently, even when he wasn't prattling! Like some peculiar caterpillar under his nose.
Oleg, you participated in the Gaza Onslaught, so how are you not a murderer of babies? You condone theft of land, the erasure of Palestinian history, etc, your role as a reservist ready to be called up to defend these thefts *makes* you a thief. Your rejectionist attitude towards all things Palestinian displays your racism. You're not 'humanist' or 'liberal', you're a Zionist ethno-supremacist who expects and demands to get away with crimes against humanity. We're not wrong about you, it's you that's looking ino a zionized distorting mirror that makes everything you do look pretty to you.
Oleg, how about a few choice quotes from the Likud Charter, or other Israeli parties? None of them want to retreat from their stolen properties, do they?
Check his profile, Chaos. He says Russia. Really deep Israeli roots, eh?
Israel won't agree to one-state, yet it refuses to withdraw from the stolen lands, so what is the result going to be? Perhaps 'humanist', 'liberal' Oleg can tell us what the map will look like in a few more years?
American
Nuh-uh. Why is it so damned EASY for them to get away with it???
And if they whine about the term 'Israel firster' wouldn't the correct term, one they couldn't start calling 'anti-semitic', be Sayanim? After all, it's their own Hebrew word. Everything these traitorous (and murderous, in fostering the cause of an unwarranted war) people do is for their Zionist superiors.
Danon's disgusting annexation Bill should always and without exception be referred to as Israel's Lebensraum Bill. That is the truth of it.
I think I said it beore - the whole Iran Crapfest is to divert the attention of the US politicians and fill up the newsmedia and airwaves (mostly in the US, but the rest of our nations too) with rubbish while the ethnic cleansing gathers pace, the statehood bid gets forgotten, and Israel gradually creates its open-air prisons/bantustans, bunch of mini-Gaza prison camps.
Why the F*** is it so damn easy for them to get away with it???
Absolutely. Here's Silverstein's piece on his recent activity in E Jerusalem, with congresscritturs and settler extremists:
link to richardsilverstein.com
Hoenlein announced plans to take over Mount of Olives for the Jewish people.
Tent of Nations, which is mentioned several times, is under imminent threat:
link to rabbibrant.com
Valentine's Day, they found notices to stop working chunks of their land which was to be declared state land. They have 45 days to appeal.
Peter Rabbit's 'Mom' is BeatriX Potter, so not the same first name!
There's 100 times as much Israeli terrorism, and what the heck are you doing in the West Bank anyway? It's somebody elses country. Or are you only capable of attacking virtually unarmed people? Y'know, like you *personally* did in Gaza, according to your profile?
Anti-BDS action by the World Bank:
link to english.al-akhbar.com
World Bank ME dept director has written to Lebanon regarding its law which boycotts institutions with strong Israeli links, which it doesn't like, despite its being in place for decades.
"All lacking in modern Palestine"...because of the PRISON conditions the people are forced to live under daily, 24/7, 365 (366 ) days of the year.
EI mentions that we'll be getting these hasbarabots in a piece by Asa Winstanley, which reports on LSE checkpoint street theater by the Palestine Society being attacked and waterbombed by the Israel Society (demonstrating Settler mentality?)!
link to electronicintifada.net
Mohammed Suliman (yes, I think it's that one) participated as an Israeli soldier:
link to electronicintifada.net
"steal Israel"????
HaHaHaHaHa!!!!!
Equally weird, the windows of the upper floors on the right & left seem to be partially bricked up, with just wide 'slots' - some wider than the original opening - left. It's a bit decrepit. Maybe somebody fancied himself a diy expert? Hopefully Phil will bring back the (bound to be) crazy story behind it!
If, for instance, the US used the same standard for its support of IRA prisoners as it did before the peace agreements, Mayhem would be appalled to find that many of the Palestinians who have actually been 'convicted' (by an Israeli military court? Pah!) of something of substance - even of killing - would be considered Political Prisoners. Because they were considered to have the right to resist, because their (often solely civilian) victims were less important than their cause.
Maybe the day will come.
And be thankful there hasn't been a 'Dirty Protest'.
Max Blumenthal's piece on Khader Adnan:
link to english.al-akhbar.com
comparing his situation with that of Chaim Pearlman, prime suspect in settler stabbing spree that left four Palestinians dead.
Charon, you must have missed this a month ago:
link to richardsilverstein.com
The numbers are soaring.
I think it is, or should be, abundantly clear that Israel is gradually implementing its own preferred 'solution' to the I/P situation - that of powerless bantustans, which, due to their tiny size, will in effect be only open air prisons for the unwanted Palestinians. All their policies seem aimed to this end. So we'll see, within a few years, the appearance of Gaza 2 thru' however many.
I suppose it's the same implacable mindset against a people their government has deliberately 'othered' and dehumanized. These folks feel completely free to say what they do without bothering to hide their identity, for the most part.
It made me laugh!
Couldn't help thinking someone with the right sort of funny bone could make it into a MontyPythonesque sketch - every insult they chuck our way is all fine and dandy, but even the most bland label we try to tag them with is anti-semitic for some obscure reason or other!
Wouldn't something like that on youtube be a fantastic hit!
Now now, Woody.
We all know I'm venting about the one in Allison's piece!
;-)
Who's dim enough to believe the first Migron will ever be removed?
Pester Power at work by the Hill Top Bratz. Forever to be indulged by the GoI, especially since thieving from the Palestinians comes cheap.
Now the next batch of Brats will come along, and in 17months there'll be (by their design) many more people and dwellings on both places, and neither will be stopped. Neither will be demolished, because the GoI's soldiers couldn't bear to do that to fellow Jews. And of course, by that time there'll be many more right wing judges to rule again on the matter in favor of both staying on their stolen land, and overlooking their crimes against their unfortunate neighbors.
Mayhem - "the handiwork of propagandists"
despite what is known of therapeutic art. Despite the fact that children can be fantastically talented.
For instance, this child has been a professional painter for several years, yet he is now only 9 years old:
link to kieronwilliamson.com
Why shouldn't the children of Gaza have the right to display their art, inspired by their dreadful experience, around the world? What else can they do to try to end the appalling situation they are forced to live under by your major propagandists - who tell a million lies to the world daily? When Israelis still bomb them at least once or twice a week, crush them with tanks, destroy their homes and schools, their parents workplaces? What's their few square inches of 'propaganda' against Israels thousand square miles of it?
Uh oh!
Competition.
There's a NEW "Times" on the block!
"The Times of Israel"
Funded by Seth Klarman
Edited by David Horowitz
link to timesofisrael.com
Yet another English language right wing - er, pro-Israel publication.
Spotted it on Silverstein:
link to richardsilverstein.com
These mad overreactions suggest they think Rudoren's been appointed to the Court of Israeli Zionism, not to be a reporter on all the issues (and hopefully a more honest one!) of the I/P region.
Exactly Bill. Israel is demanding that the world accepts its illegal extension of sovereignty over EJ, the land theft expansion of the Jerusalem 'municiapality', the illegal extension of sovereignty over the Golan, the outright theft of lands it leaves behind the Wall, the theft of land to create its settlement blocs, the theft of resources, the dispossesion of the people it has usurped uncompensated, plus all the preconditions it has for the creation of a bunch of disconnected bantustans. Frankly, until it starts to meet some of its obligations under international laws which it AGREED to, how can activists consider it a 'legal' state? And by conceding the point, wouldn't Israel then turn around and say to any activist/group that since they agreed Israel was a 'legal' state, they had automatically accepted Israel as defined by itself? Knots. Tangles.
My prediction:
Rudoren will be 'love-bombed' to the max by full on zio cultists until she too is inducted into the Stepford Stenographers club. I'm sure they're researching every last little thing about her life and family now, and planning her first few weeks and months meticulously.
Can we have a P-update, Mooser?
How well has she got you trained so far?
While I think this is very likely to be a false flag op, it must be noted that it was a common tactic used by the IRA, then by extremist animal rights groups and even the occasional murderous hubby over here. Those of us over a certain age can still remember how to fashion a mirror on a stick for the purpose of checking under a vehicle!
To add:
just listened to Trita Parsi being very careful about the bombings, but wondering why Iran would carry out an attack in India, which is one of the few countries that has refused to go along with the sanctions. Is this the 'false flag' op various commenters have been warning us of?
This has spent meany hours as the top story on the Guardian website:
link to guardian.co.uk
The central panel of the page has further linked stories to the attempted bombings in Georgia and New Delhi, marking the events as considered a major story in respect of the growing war-mongering against Iran.
"We offer p*ss, they give us terror."
Maybe the kind of thing a settler would say after a sewage discharge causes the Palestinian neighbors to swear in their general direction. After all, verbal violence, especially in Arabic, can be construed as terrorism.
Regarding water, MATIMOP, an Israeli govt agency has signed a Memorandum of Understanding with British Water (Dec 21 2011), a lobby group and "the trade association for the water supply chain" which BW has not noted on its website, but which is being advertised on the Israeli Embassy site:
link to embassyofisrael.co.uk
Obviously, BDS needs to be looking at link to britishwater.co.uk
and keeping an eye out for those companies that might get involved with this! It's unconscionable that while millions of Palestinians cannot access their own water, and are having it literally stolen in vast quantities, Israeli and British companies plan to profit further.
Not so much that British ships had no defenses against Exocet, but iirc, that systems were not calibrated to recognize them as 'hostile' if incoming - made by France, a NATO/EU ally. A rather serious oversight.
Ali Abunimah has the al-Aqsa storming story (which seemed to be flying around everywhere yesterday) BUT with an update with the organiser frantically backpedalling:
link to electronicintifada.net
Completely OT
I've never ever commented at Silversteins site, but it just bounced me as my IP "has been associated with abuse in the past". It was fine the other day. so how's that work??
On radio earlier i was listening to man from Homs who was preparing for burial:
a son
a brother
an uncle
a cousin
a neighbor
and a friend.
I know the UN is all about political gamesmanship, but this is intolerable.
seafoid
Definitely not "affirmative action".
Reparations and preferential treatment of Palestinian business in order to redress multi decades of deliberate harm on both sides of the Green Line. Enforcement of those judgments that have been made against Israel ordering financial reparations, etc.
I've tried to visit your herzliyconf links, but how do i get beyond title/presenter page? That's all i can get it to show!
There, but for the grace of Mod.....
;-)
Dim
Does Israel keep its criminals "in place where they belong"? Or does it say well done, do it again and then let the b*ggers go? Especially when they are foreign "activists" who came to steal land and resources from the Palestinian people, yes? Y'know, the ones who happen to be good ol' Jewish ethno-supremacists? Can't recall hearing that any of them have ever been deported.
TV news is just a repeating picture show, Freddy.
There was considerable coverage on radio, specifically bbcR4 and bbcR5.
I've pretty much given up on the box for anything useful in scheduled news (or entertainment - I'm at a max viewing of 2hrs a week now).
The piece on "Palestine's electricity 'threat'" in Ma'an is the first in a series, and appears to be excellent so far - well worth Mondo taking a closer look.
And if 40,000 Israeli wannabe home owners see prices below those they might expect to pay in settlements (let alone Israel 'proper'), what then happens to 'Rawabi'? They'll offer a few shekels more, buy 'em all up and build a wall around it!
Aunty Beeb (via youtube) comes up trumps with the goodies again:
link to youtube.com
Just 15mins of the prog, but shockingly revealing.
lysias
Funding from Israel?
Yes, very much so!
I watched a vid week or so ago, showing a young, chestnut haired Wilders who went to stay in Israel for some time as a youth, and investigating the contacts and admirers he'd made there, and the funding he gets from Israel.
I'm going to play hunt the link now!
The kind of "creativity" he and other worshipers of the right have produced tends to maim babies for generations to come. Be that Agent Orange or Depleted Uranium. Or in this case the possibility of first strike nukes. He's like Hitchens here, he's found a fauning audience of Americans, where he didn't have such in the UK.
Palestinians escort lost soldier out of village.
Unharmed.
Doesn't that show, quite explicitly, the *lack* of hate?
(Aside of course, from the IOF incompetence!)
The disgusting Gur piece gets a workover in the EI, with some very heartwarming comments after:
link to electronicintifada.net
And Prof Gur is a former Israeli soldier.
The two articles are the "pair of shoes" (first one drops, then the other). Both China and Israel benefit enormously by creating the "Suez bypass", while US and EU pay for it, China constructs it, and then has far better access to cheaper trade routes, as well as (presumably) to the off shore resources - maybe they're the preferred development partner? More evidence of waning US power. Israel will ignore their posturing over the settlement enterprise as it does every other country's, after all, it never comes back to bite them (or breathe dragony fire over them).
The intention behind the railway line is to create the Israeli solution to the Suez canal, a bypass route:
link to middleeastmonitor.org.uk
Eilat will become a massive industrial port for the transfer of goods, the journey to or from Med ports will be just one hour and fifteen minutes. And Israel will enrich itself on a trade built with US and EU aid.
"Import/export"?
That's, like, a euphemism for one of the acronyms isn't it?
The one that went around overthrowing democracies in favor of dictators and military juntas.
Whereas my view is that Israel must be coerced, probably kicking and screaming, to give up its ethno-supremacism so that all its citizens are equal, and probably to giving up the territories internationally recognized as occupied (so including EJ and Golan). That would mean the end of expansionist zionism. It would mean the end of the automatic right of "return" for foreign Jews. That would be the end of hostility from Iran. Israel must end its racism. Full Stop! A state capable of applying full equality *could* at a pinch, include the occupied territories, but it would have ceased to be an entirely 'zionist' entity. The Iranian hostility is to the zionism which denies rights! The zionism which steals and devours and destroys the full history of the land and its peoples. But there seem to be no Israelis with that vision for their future, it's all just more of the same. That's so self-destructive and terribly narrow. There is no future in that at all. Iran does not have a weapons program.
You approve of "your side" (either nationality) committing terrorist murders against innocent (non-fighting) scientists in foreign lands? Funny how that works (not) in reverse.
I'm sure after a brief peek that 'Dale' must have a huge following among KKK/Aryan Brotherhood types. Deeply, profoundly racist. Repulsive and nauseating. Why no comment yet on the (brutal) Black crow feasting on the body of the (beautiful) White dove? Layer upon layer of hatred going on. The 'artist' is at most a pseudo-Christian.
No, they were stolen from the Palestinian construction workers by the Inhumane Occupation Forces. And/or their "agents" of destruction,
Maybe we should plump for "Zionist Firster" since it is that toxic ideology which is causing all the distress. And because it is clearly not a high values ideology. Adelson exemplifies it with Israel as his "Golden Calf" and US as his arena of exploitation.
The Iran obsession is to divert from the "piece" talks.
Apparently Israel has decided to offer a "border" in the form of the Land and Jerusalem THEFT Wall:
link to guardian.co.uk
Unnamed Palestinian officials revealed this under anonymity due to Jordanian no-leaks rule.