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  • Why my books are not published in Israel
    • Off topic (well sort of, we are talking about writing):

      Can someone at Mondo please do a piece about this? This is a gold mine:

      link to nytimes.com

      Cohen's hack writing style is even more unforgivable than his lib zionist position.

  • Your Gift Multiplied: Support Mondoweiss's Year-End Campaign
  • Why now? Story breaks that US teamed with Israel in assassinating Iranian 'agent' in '08
    • Friedman's piece was a joke (no surprise there). The interesting part was that I got the impression that it's intended audience was American Jews rather than the general NYT readership--see this line:

      "I’ve polled many of my non-Jewish friends, who follow world politics and are sympathetic to Israel, and they really don’t like this."

  • The legacy of Joan Peters and 'From Time Immemorial'
  • Our Year-End Campaign: What Mondoweiss Means To Me
  • The member of Knesset who called for genocide -- against the mothers of the 'snakes'
    • Yes, the use of the term snakes reminds me of the "classic anti-semitic tropes" of the octopus, et al that we are always warned about here by certain posters... And biorabbi talking about Hamas being "de-fanged" on the other thread...imagine that. I guess it's only wrong if you use it against certain semites?

  • Gazafying Dissent
    • "Nobody I know gives a crap."

      Unfortunately I agree...where I am I haven't heard a single person talking about Gaza (either among friends, or overheard conversations among strangers) over the last two weeks. The only time it has been discussed is when I deliberately brought the subject up. Sadly, based on my experience, among the general population most people are either indifferent, completely ignorant of the situation, or still reflexively take Israel's side because someone else told them they should. Maybe it's different in larger metro areas or different parts of the country, though.

      Having said all that, these latest atrocities MAY change the opinion of some media elites, and/or opinion shapers. Whether that translates into any change in US policy is a long shot, though.

  • Video: If you voted for Hamas, Israel has a right to kill you, says president of NY Board of Rabbis
    • "it is a half-baked, juvenile stew of contradictions, non sequitors, and mirror gazing."

      Perfect description, especially the mirror gazing part...I would add that it also seems to consist entirely of unquestioned received opinion. I think a lot of these people actually believe there own BS at this point.

    • @Bumbleye

      Not only that, look at the banners and the background, and the way identity is being blurred. Someone holds up a sign "donate here for 'our' soldiers" -- who does "our" refer to? And the presumptuous way they arrogate NY public opinion for their own cause ("New York stands with Israel").

      The Zionists never had any serious opposition from the elites or the government or media, so they've never had to learn to form serious arguments. And the grandiosity continues.

  • (Updated) In Photos: Worldwide protest against Israeli attack on Gaza
    • @chu

      I thought it was staged as well.

    • Thanks Annie for putting that together...very heartening to see people from as far flung as Japan protesting this...

      I just watched "CBS Sunday Morning" and had to finally turn it off in disgust. Bob Schieffer wash practically gushing over Iron Dome and Israeli cell phone alerts. He let Netanyahu and Dermer get away with the hasbara without challenging it. And then a discussion panel full of shills including Jane Harman(!) Why is she still given any credibility on this issue?

  • NY Times reports source of UNRWA school attack is unclear even though Israel said they did it
    • @Adam

      Thank you for covering this...I noticed the same thing this morning. I was hoping that it really was still undetermined, but, no, NYT really decided to go there with a bald faced lie.

  • 10,000 march on Qalandia in solidarity with Gaza
  • Jews Say: End the War on Gaza — No Aid to Apartheid Israel!
    • This extreme form of chauvinism -- mobs dancing around in circles with Israeli flags, on any given day -- makes the rah rah USA stuff pale in comparison. I don't know what the exact tipping point is for fascism--they still have the outer trappings of democracy. But now that Gaza is likely to end in another stalemate, the hooligans will be filled with war fever--more physical attacks on private citizens with dissenting views, even less space for dissidents, is my guess. What happens if even a small % of the sane Israelis vote with their feet and decide use the second passport over the next couple of years? That will be the tipping point, IMO.

  • Gaza massacre is generating ideological crisis in American Zionists
    • J Street is really just a copy of "Americans for Peace Now", right? Maybe they should have a merger to cut costs.

  • Avishai says we misrepresented his views
    • "But some of us, in and out of Israel, have been willing to take the unpleasant consequences of non-conformity, criticizing the occupation and its consequences—including arguably just wars that might nevertheless have been avoided—since the time of Golda Meir. "

      Yeah, and a lot of good that's done. Tepid criticisms of the occupation and soft entreaties for peace.

  • 'Slate' blames Birthright for indoctrinating American Jew who was killed fighting for Israel
  • US plays decisive role in Israel's attack on Gaza
    • @seafoid and just:

      Just watch though, the US congress will vote to give Israel an extra billion this year to ease the pain of the flight ban and the attendant loss of tourist shekels. (I'm only half-joking, I can easily see them doing this).

  • Renouncing my Israeli citizenship
    • @jrfinkel

      Thanks for the response...I was just giving my own general impression; I can tell you know a lot more about kibbutzim, etc. (not one of my areas of knowleddge). In any case I agree that any socialist project there has failed completely:

      link to haaretz.com

      I think part of the problem is defining who and what the Israeli Left consists of. It's a rather amorphous term. From what I've read "leftist" seems to constitute more of an all purpose epithet in Israel for someone you despise than it does any actual large, organized group. Who is the Israeli Left exactly? Peace Now? The J14 protesters? The wealthier, educated residents of greater Tel Aviv? 972 mag? Breaking the Silence? Does it include someone like Shimon Peres who's been actively complicit in the occupation and war crimes? All of the above?

    • @Frankie P.

      Many of them may have spoken out against it "behind closed doors." We'll never know.

      However, my sense is, by and large, the Israeli left (over the last 50 odd years) has been far more focused on creating a socialist society for Jews than on a just settlement vis a vis Palestine. And a vague desire for "peace". The J14 protest bears that out--they didn't want the occupation as part of the agenda. The Gideon Levys and Jeff Halpers of Israel seem to be a small fraction of the left in that nation.

      So this is where I disagree with jfinkel. I feel that if the Israeli Left was at all capable of orchestrating and implementing a just solution it would have happened years ago. At this point the boat has already sailed.

    • @jrfinkel

      "Also, it has taken me far too long to understand how the basic contradiction between the objective conditions (which demand a single state) and the subjective conditions (which demand two states) has been unfavorably resolved by the creation of a single, apartheid state. "

      Perfectly stated, the truth in a nutshell...

      I've been enjoying your posts. I think some people here are a bit jumpy and assuming that a new posters are hasbarists without actually reading the entire content of their posts for comprehension. I hope that doesn't put you off from participating here.

  • Finally, Israel is alienating the US mainstream media
    • W. Jones,

      Perhaps, but maybe it was more the nature of the stories that dictated the media response. There was no way to cover the 1982 invasion or the first intifada AND make Israel look good at the same time. The media would have had to not cover them at all. But they were huge stories so they were forced to present Israel's true face to the world.

      In 1975, the settlement enterprise hadn't really ramped up to full speed yet, the occupation was relatively new, and Israel was looking sympathetic because of Munich and the airline hijackings. There was the nakba, but that had taken place decades before.

    • @W. Jones

      I don't want to put words in Donald's mouth, but I believe he's referring to the media's stance on I/P, not to the activities of activists. Other than their promotion of the fleeting, ephemeral 2ss I've seen little change in the media coverage over the last 20 years. I don't consider Chomsky to be a darling of the MSM in any sense.

      Now if the activism and BDS grow that could force the media to change, but that's going to be a long haul to get there.

    • I think that's the whole game--for years at a time, ignore the backdrop and context of what's happening, and Lebanon and Gaza just seem like a series of isolated, disconnected events. Meanwhile, the American public has been told over and over that "it's complicated" by Israel's supporters, so the public is intimidated by the whole subject and either wash their hands of it or adopt the default pro-Israel position.

    • @Donald

      I agree. I can remember in the past when a window for criticism has opened in the MSM only to slam shut again once whatever event triggered it was over. The problem is that there is no sustained coverage or critique of the settlements, the apartheid wall, water theft, only of bombing raids on Gaza and Lebanon, which usually only last a few weeks. And little to no context, even then. And after that it's back to amnesia.

      The one thing that could change the status quo is the unavoidable realization that the peace process is a dead letter at this point. However I could see Obama or the next president trying to revive it (someone put a stake through it's heart this time, please), so I'm not going to get my hopes up prematurely.

  • On the defensive, Barney Frank accuses Clemons and Kornacki of ganging up on him, and Israel
    • @Helena

      LOL. I thought I heard him pronounce it "Khamas" in the video but I wasn't sure...

      I remember hearing for years about how smart he was, one of the smartest members in congress. And yet he comes across as a brainwashed tool in this video.

    • @DaBakr
      Really? Is that how the average Palestinian lives in the WB? Or the PA and some elites in Ramallah? Is having your freedom movement severely restricted and your houses bulldozed what passes as normal in your mind? Being stoned and attacked by settlers in Hebron, or "price tag" attacks?

    • Life is "normal" in the West Bank? What world is he living in?

      He's no longer in office so he doesn't have to shill for Israel anymore, so he must actually believe this crap.

  • Israel is in a pickle
    • @Maximus

      I'd like to believe that this will change attitudes, but I think the coverage of the plane crash is beginning to siphon away attention from Gaza, at least in the US media. Plus people in this country don't seem have much of an attention span or willingness to see things in context when reality conflicts with their received opinions.

  • 'We are moving from Iron Dome to an iron fist': Israel launches ground invasion of Gaza
    • Related: has anyone read Wapo's editorials today? There is a Zionist piece by Charles Krauthammer, which I may not bother to read, and then a rather lame, predictable "cycle of violence" op-ed (I guess this is what Wapo considers "balance") by Eugene Robinson. However the Robinson piece does mention the one state solution. I would say that 1ss has entered mainstream consciousness at this point (or at least the minds of the elite opinion-shaper world).

    • Thanks Ron...interesting. Also there was "Grapes of Wrath" from 1996...American literary/hymn reference made to appeal to Americans?

  • Israeli strike kills four Palestinian children playing soccer on Gaza beach
    • OMG, this has gone from being just infuriating to being a complete horror. Are Americans ever going to wake up or are they too busy shopping for flat screens and tablets and taking selfies?

      Sidenote: I called Rep. Castor's office to ask about her position on the beating of Tarek Abu Khdeir and they basically stonewalled me. Weak. I told them she needs to put her constituents ahead of AIPAC cash.

  • Rachel Maddow ignores the story in Israel/Palestine
    • @Jenin

      Interesting insight about Maher, but Maddow has assiduously avoids dealing with I/P whenever possible, and when she has to cover it, she either takes Israel's side or equivocates, so I believe it's just business as usual from her.

  • Watch: New Yorkers pierce through pro-war gathering with chants of 'stop bombing Gaza now'
    • Kay24,
      Curtis Sleazewa is the ultimate self-promoting d-bag; has been for many years. Shilling for Israel is just one facet of his awfulness, which is on an exponential scale.

  • How many people have died from Gaza rockets into Israel?
    • The prevailing talking point is "no country would allow rockets to land on it's territory" (variant: the US wouldn't allow Mexico to attack it with rockets). Of course this isn't a real argument, rather it's a context-free normative statement designed to shut down any debate before it begins.

  • 'Operation Protective Edge' begins: Gaza rocked by Israeli airstrikes as Palestinian militants shoot at Jerusalem
    • @TwoRedDogs

      Thanks...I posted a similar link. It's nice to see that action was taken against these two attorneys. I think even ten years ago this kind of racism would have been given a pass. Of course social media wasn't prevalent back then either.

      "Protective Edge" -- it sounds like a Gillette razor brand. Was it the US that first started coming up with ridiculous names for it's operations, or was it Israel and the US just copied them?

    • (slightly) off topic: anyone heard about this incident:

      link to miami.cbslocal.com

  • After brutal police beating, Palestinian-American Tarek Abu Khdeir, 15, sentenced to home arrest without charge
    • "sentenced to home arrest without charge"...destroying the homes of suspects etc etc etc ad nauseum

      Someone explain what makes this country a democracy, again?

  • Video: Jewish mob chanting 'Death to Arabs!' stops cars in Jerusalem to check drivers' ethnicity
    • Very telling that you use despotic countries and failed states as your point of comparison for Israel's terrible human rights record. I guess Israel is only developed or "Western" when it's convenient.

    • This is chilling, and I'm sure most of us have seen this type of video from Jerusalem before (Max's video comes to mind). I agree with seafoid, Israel isn't stable, at least in the long term--it isn't normal in the year 2014 to have your streets awash in ethnic mobs.

    • I'm always amazed at stream of abusive, dirty language, first from the Hebron settlers and now from this bunch in Jerusalem. I guess that's the natural mode of expression when you walk through life with a permanent chip on your shoulder.

  • Chomsky and BDS
    • Chomsky claims that the Israel lobby isn't that powerful, but the main locus of support for Israel is in the congress, where the lobby has the most sway. On the rare occasions where steps are taken against Israel they usually originate in executive branch (ex: Baker, Bush41). And then the executive invariably backs down after pressure from congress. And if dissent originates in the congress, the representative gets voted out when AIPAC finances their opponent. Doesn't this give the lie to Chomsky's thesis?

  • Change the narrative from 'cycle of violence' to occupation, JVP says
    • "The moderators have been told again and again not to permit comments that out people’s identities in this way. STOP IT NOW. I WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED."

      [I'm replying here because the reply button is missing under hophmi's other comment]

      LOL. I agree in general that people shouldn't be outed, but you outed yourself some time ago by being careless with your different user handles on other sites, and then attacking MW from those places. What did you expect? Blame yourself.

  • In 'turning-point' vote, Presbyterians divest from occupation-linked corporations
    • This is amazing! One the rare moments where I've felt a glimmer of hope after following this struggle for many years.

  • Fire Thomas Friedman
    • @David

      Good point...I think partly it had to do with being in the right place at the right time to get noticed...the Middle East in the 1980s from the civil war in Lebanon up to the first intifada. Also, I remember Friedman crediting A.M. Rosenthal with giving him a great deal of help in starting his career.

      The book, "From Beirut to Jerusalem" is a fast moving and entertaining read, although the analysis and prescriptions that Friedman provides at the end of the book are puerile and cringe-inducing, as I recall...

      Ultimately, I think the elite likes him because he's safe--to the uninformed, he represents a pro-Palestinian, or at least "balanced" view--to any honest, knowledgeable person he's a gatekeeper who's quite condescending to Arabs in general.

    • @David Samel

      I've always been under the impression that his popularity was due to his ability to "simplify" issues and make them digestible for the hoi polloi, usually by employing metaphors...his popularity is really just a symptom of how dumbed down our present culture is.

  • Chris Matthews and David Corn defend Israel against 'slander' of apartheid
  • Dershowitz disqualifies an entire continent from supporting BDS, citing history of 'Jew hatred'
    • OK, so Jeffrey Goldberg is telling European Jews to "get out" in the other thread, and the Dersh is lecturing all Europeans here...apparently in the minds of these people Europe (and its citizens) are peripheral and subordinate, and exist either to be scolded by America and Israel, or advised what to do in a paternalistic manner.

  • I am Palestinian, and I am human, and I am here
    • @DaBakr

      Ugh...how do you Sarah Aziza isn't a prominent activist and/or person on campus, maybe that's how they identified who she was.

  • 'Washington Post' reports that funders have excommunicated Jews who don't believe in Zionism
    • There were 13 comments under the article on Wapo's site when I looked at it...mostly written by the lamest of hasbara-bots, even more insipid than the ones here. Ugh. Are they indicative of the type of reader who still takes Wapo seriously?

  • 'NYT' calls Shimon Peres 'outspoken advocate of peace'
    • @Woody

      Upon reading hophmi's many posts I've realized that there's a fundamental disconnect between words and actions in his mind. So just wishing something makes it so. Peres is a man of peace, regardless of his actual behavior, because Rudoren said so. It doesn't matter that Sodastream is built on stolen land, because it's owner says he's a peacenik. Even though Hophmi supports colonialism, he's "left of center", because he says so.

    • I think first you/we need to define exactly what constitutes peace in this situation. Is it a cessation of violence within the Green Line with impoverished bantustans and endlessly expanding settlements in the OT? If so then "peace" may be the wrong goal here.

      As for Oslo, plenty of interested parties promoted it for less than altruistic reasons--Dennis Ross to protect his sinecure, Clinton/Obama/Peres for PR, Abbas to keep the aid money flowing in. Nothing particularly brave or laudable about any of it.

    • "Sorry Jodi Rudoren is not becoming an activist for the Palestinian cause, Jerome."

      On the contrary, by whitewashing or ignoring Peres' past for political reasons Rudoren has already established herself as a "covert activist" of sorts.

  • Goldberg and Cohen stoke fears of BDS
    • hophmi said: "There’s no gross distortion. There’s only your political campaign to elevate one national group above the other. Just don’t tell me it’s about human rights."

      And please don't try to change the subject...

      Others on this thread have already explained eloquently why the definition of self-determination isn't normally extended to include occupiers and colonizers, so I won't go into that again...

      However, is it your contention that American Jews lack self-determination? This would seem to fly in the face of the facts since proportionally there seem to be more Israelis who'd like to emigrate here than vice versa.

    • Annie, after thinking about it, maybe it's not the narrative, per se, but just the flow of "appropriate" information...I am sure they would rather have not mentioned BDS at all, but then Kerry put it out there. Goldberg and Cohen know that you can't put toothpaste back in the tube, hence their need to frame the issue on their own now.

    • Thank you for a great article, Annie...It's finally happening: they're losing control of the narrative, and it's largely their own fault. Too many cooks in the kitchen now, who don't know how to do the nightflower thing: Scarjo, Hagee, Glenn Beck, congress, ad nauseum...Zionism is slowly collapsing under it's own weight.

    • Thank you. I am sad, but not surprised, to see that hophmi is still peddling this gross distortion of the term self-determination here.

  • Why do they hate us? Robust support (even by liberals) for ethnic cleansing

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