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  • Losing public opinion on BDS, activists turn to 'lawfare'
    • Is it now the business of the Illinois legislature to codify into law the repression, and dispossession, of the Palestinian people?

      The Illinois legislature told us that it is indeed their business. So I told the Illinois Chamber of Commerce where I wouldn't be doing my business.

  • JVP to Obama: 'Shared values' means opposing Israel's systematic discrimination against non-Jews
  • Sam Harris and the dangers of false atheism
  • The end of hasbara? 'NYT' readers question US support for apartheid
    • Despite the Times editors rigging the comments in their selection column

      Nothing exposes the Times editors' biases more clearly than comparing Readers' Picks and Editors' Picks. The biases become glaring and impossible not to see. I am surprised the editors put themselves in this situation.

  • Netanyahu cancels controversial 'apartheid' buses plan, but there have been segregated West Bank buses for years
    • I posted this NPR discussion on a different thread after Boomer mentioned it:


      NPR’s Robert Siegel talks to Lahav Harkov, Knesset reporter for the Jerusalem Post, about the politics around a plan to require Palestinian laborers from the West Bank to ride Palestinian-only buses.
      SIEGEL: This is a case of Palestinians who have jobs in Israel going home in the same bus on the West Bank as settlers. How common is that degree of closeness between settlers and their Palestinian neighbors? I thought the highways even were separated on the West Bank.

      HARKOV: Well, it’s interesting. There are highways that Israelis can’t go on, but there aren’t really highways that Palestinians can’t go on. So the separation is usually the opposite of what people might think it would be…

      Siegel, of course, did not challenge her.

  • Maybe next time it's Arab Americans who will be interned by U.S. gov't -- Rand Paul launches filibuster
    • Also-is the prejudice in the US really against Arabs-or is it more a fear of their ignorance of religion of Islam? (I actually don’t know)

      I don't know either, DaBakr. The two prejudices are conflated. After the Oklahoma City bombing, everyone was looking for an Arab/Muslim. After 9/11, this Christian Arab-American family locked its doors tight.

  • Edward R. Matthews
    • A year ago NPR’s Ailsa Chang did a report on Lindsey Graham’s support for Sheldon Adelson’s gambling interests, without saying a word about Israel.

      It's not just NPR, just read this Think Progress description of Scott Walker's trip to court Adelson (at the RJC meeting):

      As Walker considers a potential 2016 presidential run, he reportedly traveled to Las Vegas and met Adelson for dinner as the magnate considers which hopeful to back. Adelson is pushing for an online gambling ban, fearing Internet gaming could hurt his industry.

    • My understanding is that there are road restrictions based on license plate color. Israeli citizens get yellow Israeli license plates. Palestinians in the West Bank get green PA license plates. Adam displayed a map of roads that are restricted by plate: link to

      Also, the Israeli government restricts Israelis from entering Area A, but that restriction is imposed by Israel.

    • Boomer, Here is the transcript:

      NPR's Robert Siegel talks to Lahav Harkov, Knesset reporter for the Jerusalem Post, about the politics around a plan to require Palestinian laborers from the West Bank to ride Palestinian-only buses.
      SIEGEL: This is a case of Palestinians who have jobs in Israel going home in the same bus on the West Bank as settlers. How common is that degree of closeness between settlers and their Palestinian neighbors? I thought the highways even were separated on the West Bank.

      HARKOV: Well, it's interesting. There are highways that Israelis can't go on, but there aren't really highways that Palestinians can't go on. So the separation is usually the opposite of what people might think it would be...

      Siegel, of course, did not challenge her.

    • Phil, I hope you just watched tonight too. I've enjoyed your recent posts on Matthews.

  • 'NYT' obit turns the murderous settler rabbi into a 'contentious firebrand'
    • Perhaps he served so little time for the killing because he showed what would be considered sufficient humility before the Israeli court. Jeffrey Goldberg explained about Levinger: He told me once, “I’m not happy when any living creature dies—an Arab, a fly, a donkey.” That should be sufficient in most Israeli courts.

  • Congress and state legislatures are on the warpath against BDS
    • (This Google cache link may work better for many of you: link to )

    • In this early stage of the election cycle the real question is, "How many donor dollars does the Pope have?" Adelson must surely have more. Adelson's paper Israel Hayom put out a hit piece on the Pope today, Pope helping Palestinians crucify the Jews.

    • More from Santarsiero's web site:

      Santarsiero outlines effort to protect Israeli investments with Pa. House bill
      HARRISBURG, May 13 – During a Capitol news conference today, Pennsylvania state Rep. Steve Santarsiero said that his bill to protect investments in Israel -- which enjoys broad, bipartisan support -- is a natural step in safeguarding our nation’s strong ties to the only democracy in the Middle East.

      House Bill 1018 seeks to counter politically motivated pressure on colleges and universities to boycott or divest from Israel’s commercial interests by barring state funds to any Pennsylvania school that bows to such demands.

      "Unfortunately, there is a growing – and alarming – trend on some college and university campuses to launch politically motivated attacks with the intent of pressuring these institutions to engage in boycotts against or divestment from Israel," said Santarsiero, D-Bucks. "The state of Israel is the only dependable, democratic ally of the United States in the Middle East. As such, it is in the interest of this commonwealth to promote America’s close ties with Israel.

      “This legislation would not ban open debate or free speech. It merely creates consequences should schools succumb to political pressure to harm Israel," Santarsiero explained.

      The news conference featured members of House and advocates from the Pennsylvania Jewish Coalition and the Jewish Federation of Greater Philadelphia.

      "Pennsylvanians do not want their public funds used to discriminate against a staunch American ally and long-standing democracy such as Israel," said co-sponsor and House Democratic Caucus Chairman Dan Frankel, D-Allegheny.

      Hank Butler of the Pennsylvania Jewish Federation said that the bill gives teeth to the larger discussion on so-called “BDS” actions, which are to boycott, divest and sanction. Robin Schatz, director of government affairs of the Jewish Federation of Greater Philadelphia, said that she appreciates the leadership taken with the bill.

      “Simply put, my legislation would make sure our commonwealth is not a party to the corrosive actions of the BDS movement,” Santarsiero said. “I am proud to have broad bipartisan support for this measure and look forward to working together with the co-sponsors and the Jewish Federations to get this passed.”

    • Thanks, Alex. Keep an eye on Pennsylvania too:

      Bucks Rep. Santarsiero: No Funding To State Colleges Against Israel
      The Bucks County representative is advancing legislation that would penalize schools organizing boycotting of and divestment from Israel.

      (The linked piece mentions Congress but it is clear the state legislature in Harrisburg is meant instead.)

  • What if the Times had sent Rudoren to Selma in 1965?
    • JeffB says:

      Before the Zionists got to Palestine it was a malaria ridden dirt poor Turkish colony with a migrant serf farming population from the Levant.

      You're a mite brief, JeffB. Let me help you out with some quotes from Exodus (as cataloged by N. Finkelstein in the footnotes of Beyond Chutzpah):

      Putting aside its apolgetics for Zionism, the sheer racism of Uris’s blockbuster bears recalling. The Arabs, their villages, their homes–to the last, they’re “stinking” or engulfed in “overwhelming stench” and “vile odors.” Arab men just “lay around” all day “listless”–that is when they’re not hatching “some typical double-dealing scheme which seemed perfectly legitimate to the Arab,” or resorting to the “unscrupulous ethics of the Arab…the fantastic reasoning that condoned every crime short of murder,” or “becom[ing] hysterical at the slightest provacation”…”There was little song or laughter or joy in Arab life.”…”In this atmosphere, cunning, treachery, murder, feuds and jealousies became a way of life” …Truth be told, not much has changed in official Zionist propaganda.

  • Adelson primary heats up -- fawning George Bush gives him a painting of his casino
  • It’s time to boycott Ben & Jerry’s
    • just, I hope someone asks Walker if he talked to any Palestinians during his 'education'.

    • Americans are awful at ... history

      Well, catalan, many Americans do believe that Palestinians left their land in 1948 to allow the Arab armies to drive the Jews into the sea. And many Americans think the 1967 six-day war began when Egypt attacked Israel. And many Americans think Iraq was behind the 9/11 attacks in 2001. I could go on.

    • Americans are awful at math

      Well, catalan, some Americans do fear algebra, because they think everything that starts with 'Al' from the Middle East is bad news.

    • just, thanks. On a related topic, one of my pro-Palestinian-rights friends seemed shocked that I was using the free mobile phone app Waze. I honestly replied that I only installed it after Google bought it out. I am a bit troubled.

    • So, is it okay to eat Häagen-Dazs? I haven't touched it since I was in college--a long time ago--because of founders Reuben and Rose Mattus' predilection for contributing to settlements and possible support of Meir Kahane. But in 1983 Pillsbury bought them out, and made them rich. I don't see how the family and heirs have any financial stake in the current owners, but I could be wrong. A Philadelphia Inquirer article from the 1990's mentioned a freezer full of Häagen-Dazs in the first grocery store in the settlement Eli between Ramallah and Nablus.

  • Settlers Supporting Settlers: Towards an explanation of the US/Israel relationship
  • Scott Walker's foreign policy education begins w/ lesson: East Jerusalem is not occupied
    • After Jake Tapper posted a link to his CNN piece on twitter, the Rachel Corrie Foundation replied:

      .@JakeTapper for 12yrs US has asked Israel 2 credibly investigate #RachelCorrie killing. Time 4 "meaningful answer?"

  • Front-page attack in New York Times says BDS movement is driven by minorities' 'hostility toward Jews'
    • Hmmm...I don't think Israel is worried that BDS is detrimental to its economic standing. Rather the apartheid state is worried that BDS is detrimental to its public opinion standing, especially in the U.S. Public opinion, unfortunately, moves at a deliberate pace except in war, in partisan politics, and in trumpeted fear, but the goal should be to keep public opinion progressing forward. I fully understand that Palestinians can't wait in disenfranchisement and suffering, especially in Gaza, for long. But I don't have better realistic answers.

    • Thanks, irishmoses. (My three pointed questions are rhetorical, of course, and not addressed at you or Chu personally.)

    • @catalan As an old man myself, I have to agree with oldgeezer. Let me add that you may be in more congenial company sharing your erudition on yahoo and youtube.

    • irishmoses wisely quotes Bismarck, Politics is the art of the possible. Let me add Voltaire, Perfect is the enemy of good.

    • Blaine is not correct. Just consider this "BDS lite" achievement from the Presbyterian Church (USA) 2014 General Assembly:

      By a vote of 310-303, the Assembly approved an overture calling for divestment from Caterpillar Inc., Hewlett-Packard and Motorola Solutions, companies some allege are engaged in “non-peaceful pursuits” in the region. A similar overture failed 333-331 at the 220th Assembly

      Does anyone think that it would have been better to have ratcheted up the resolution to a full boycott of Israel? The headlines would have been much different. Again, I am all for a full boycott.

    • Thx, irishmoses.

    • A month ago the University of Michigan's Central Student Government voted 15-29 against forming an ad hoc committee to investigate the relationship between the school and four companies that profit by violating the human rights of Palestinians. Some would call this BDS lite, but if the resolution had instead called for a complete boycott of Israel, what kind of support do you think it would have achieved? Should we prefer to give the campus apologists of Israeli policies an even more resounding victory? I am all for a complete boycott, but campus and government resolutions need to be crafted to give them a fighting chance of passage, even if that means limiting the immediate goals. It's the art of politics.

  • 'Israel should extend the right of return to all Palestinian refugees' -- Jebreal in 'The Nation'
  • Needing a 'crash course in foreign policy,' Scott Walker heads to [Guess which country]
    • Good point and memory

      just, Well, at my age it's easier remembering what happened 47 years ago than 47 minutes ago.

    • “What the president has is a public relations stunt,” Santorum said. “If these people want to bring back a 7th-century version of Islam … then let’s load our bombers up and bomb them back to the 7th-century.”…

      just, this recalls Gen. Curtis LeMay, who ran on the same ticket as Gov. George Wallace:
      ---"My solution to the problem would be to tell the North Vietnamese Communists frankly that they've got to drawn in their horns and stop their aggression or we're going to bomb them into the stone age."
      ---"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting."
      ---"Every soldier thinks something of the moral aspects of what he is doing. But all war is immoral and if you let that bother you, you're not a good soldier."
      ---"I think there are many times when it would be most efficient to use nuclear weapons. However, the public opinion in this country and throughout the world throw up their hands in horror when you mention nuclear weapons, just because of the propaganda that's been fed to them."

  • 'Most reactionary government in Israel's history' -- when will liberal Zionists hit bottom?
    • Hillary Clinton's husband Bill wrote the cover jacket blurb for Beinart's book. Let's see how soon she feels compelled to throw Beinart under the bus. I doubt Beinart is on Saban's reading list.

    • Phil, I think your Beinart link is broken. Here is a good one that is not behind a pay wall: link to

  • As presidential field broadens, GOP candidates race to show their love for Israel
    • Gov. Huckabee is a Christian Zionist end-timer, a true beluever who thinks that Genesis 13 proves that the Palestinians have no right to the land. Netanyahu, not Huckabee, is the real opportunist in this handshake. But many of the other clowns on the bus are merely cynical yet canny ass-kissers, who know that the party base is just as crazy as Huckabee and that you can'take raise funds without appealing to the well-identified donor demographics .

  • Rudoren covers up Shaked's genocidal statements in 'NYT'
    • Rudoren: Ms. Shaked is an outspoken hawk on the Palestinian issue...

      The NYT is a bit clueless about Ms. Shaked. According to, the originally published copy of the article read Mr. Shaked... A correction was later added to inform us that Ms. Shaked is, in fact, a woman.

  • Netanyahu appoints Ayelet Shaked—who called for genocide of Palestinians—as Justice Minister in new government
  • Not a single Muslim is quoted in 'NYT' profile of Geller
  • A response to the 'Washington Post' blogger who calls me an anti-Semite
    • just, and that would include Max, whom he singles out. Max has many, many more twitter followers than he does. He is in eclipse.

    • I'm just a little confused. If you google MJ Rosenberg anti-Semitism, you will see a roughly equal number of links where he is accused and where he is accusing others. What a world.

    • lysias, I guess one the main advantage of getting the print edition is not having to read the 'Volokh Conspiracy' bloggers Bernstein and Volokh. You may want to see if 'Right Turn' blogger Jen Rubin appears in the print edition. If not, be doubly glad you subscribe to the print edition.

    • MJR has about a half a dozen tweets commenting on Bernstein's piece. I am not going to repeat any of them.

    • The Washington Post has Jennifer Rubin, Richard Cohen, George Will, Charles Krauthammer, David Bernstein, and Eugene Volokh. I am not sure why Sheldon Adelson once thougth he should buy the Post--they're doing his work for free.

    • It's interesting that Bernstein's 'proof' that MW is a hate site is a MJ Rosenberg's year-old piece, while just yesterday Rosenberg tweeted a link to the James North-Phil Weiss post at MW about Geller.

  • MSM's platform for Pamela Geller is equivalent to normalizing David Duke and Nazis
    • I can understand why all on the staff at MW may need a good, long rest now and then. We are a demanding and rude bunch. It's difficult to think of any topic more controversial than I/P, and the rhetoric must often feel like slings and arrows.

    • Just, I was wondering that myself today about Annie. (But I was wondering that about you a few days ago.)

    • With the growth of the internet, it is becoming easier all the time to live in an alternate universe. Back in the old days, folks who lived in alternate universes had limited ways to learn and congregate, except for some places of worship and short-wave radio. Now we have a whole proliferation of sources available with just a few clicks of the key board that will tell me I'm right that the universe is only ten thousand years old, climate change is a hoax, Jesus is coming as soon as we build the Third Temple, Obama is the antichrist, and vaccinations cause autism. It's even possible to know much of this through cable TV and radio talk shows, in case you can't read.

    • While everyone is debating freedom of speech and religion, I will add that I made numerous protestations to the hotel management where she held her conference in Dearborn, but I did not protest the Dearborn government when they granted a parade permit to Jones. The difference is that the hotel is privately owned.

    • She and Spencer choose their conference locations so as to be as provocative as possible. In 2012 she held an anti-Islam conference in Dearborn. Sort of like Neo-Nazis marching through Skokie. A few months later Terry Jones held a march in Dearborn.

    • In addition to Muslim-Americans who are insulted by her Islamophobia, there are a lot of Christian Palestinian-Americans who are insulted by her racism.

    • Do you mean 1.8 million?

  • 'Washington Post' buries Carter's statement that 'situation in Gaza is intolerable' in last paragraph
  • Gaza rules: Kill 2 Palestinian women on cellphones in an orchard so Israeli soldiers face zero risk
    • Yes. And the Washington Post even manages to put in some shoot and cry:

      “I am ashamed of this,” said the 21-year-old [soldier].

      Oh, the anguish.

    • Finkelstein has at various times, most recently at Syracuse U, made the following argument which I paraphase:

      In most societies they tolerate combat casualties much more than they are willing to tolerate civilian casualties. Israel is a different kind of society. It’s the kind of Spartan society in which military or combat casualties are the source of much greater anguish and torment than civilian casualties. So the first rule of combat is: Soldiers are not supposed to get killed. If you see a building in the distance you don’t ask any questions. You demolish everything in sight, so there will be nobody to even take a sniper shot at you.

    • Gaza 2014: "There aren’t supposed to be any civilians there. If you spot someone, shoot."
      My Lai 1968: "They're all VC, now go and get them...Who is my enemy? Anybody that was running from us."

  • Palestine’s moment of truth for the International Criminal Court
    • So now that Lieberman is out of work, what will he do?

      The Sands Hotel and Casino can always use another experienced bouncer.

    • From ynetnews:

      Lieberman lashed out at the disappearance of the controversial nationality bill, which sought to legally define Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people, and determine that the right to national self determination in Israel belongs solely to the Jewish people. "Someone vetoed the issue and suddenly it's off the agenda. The coalition does not reflect the position of the national camp. This government has no intention of overthrowing the Hamas regime," he said.

      So who vetoed the nationality bill issue? Shas, or UTJ?

  • Spanish Jews resisted oppression in tunnels and, exiled, clutched their keys
    • they were the descendants of the local population who converted over the years to Islam. Just like Muslims everywhere in the world.

      Including the indigenous Muslims of Palestine. And the indigenous Christians of Palestine.

    • Maybe Spain is inviting back Jews, but not Muslims, because Jews didn’t enter Iberia as conquerors.

      Thanks for the link, Jackdaw. I see that Muslims entered Iberia as conquerors in 710, finished in 756, were expelled in 1492, and denied equal right of return in 2014. And I thought Joan Rivers could hold a grudge for a long time, but this is ridiculous.

    • Blaine, you may have more success in city council meetings--although we all know ultra-conservative Ann Arbor is an uphill battle--if you don't put double quotes around Israel. They will probably think you really mean Zionist entity. Take it from Max.

    • If the abolitionists had insisted on touring Spain, Germany, and the globe– rather than loudly confronting their own government and demanding an immediate end to slavery– then you can be sure slavery would continue today.

      Blaine, are you asking if Max's efforts to turn the tide on injustice for the Palestinians are as effective as your own?

  • Sanders is leftwing on economic issues, but sees Israel as up against ISIS
  • As pressure rises on Robbie Williams and UNICEF over Israel gig, conflict of interest emerges between singer and NGO
    • I have a hard time now that I have learned that Bob Dylan is an active supporter of the Jewish Defense League and the Kach party.

      I would surely think Dylan could understand the Palestinians' plight: When you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose. But there is no supporting evidence.

    • Another artist who I will have leave off the play list….joining Neil Young , Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan. Pink Floyd on high rotation however.

      I must be getting old. I already tossed my Neil Young, Leonard Cohen, and Dylan vinyl. (I think they all want to share money but just don't take a slice of their pie.) But I had to google Robbie Williams to see who he is.

  • 'Baltimore Is Here': Ethiopian Israelis protest police brutality in Jerusalem
  • David Horowitz to OSU: 'Jews didn't expel the Arabs in 1948' and 'the occupation is a huge lie'
    • David Horowitz is...uncorked.

      True Yonah. We can all agree that Horowitz has uncorked a few to many. But this is the twilight of liberal Zionism. You may want to uncork a few too.

    • Or, Black, White, Green, and Red, eh?

      Hmm. The Blues have been living in Michigan for ages. The Green and White folks arrived relatively recently and have no attachment to the land, although I acknowledge their skills in basketball and football. This land is ours.

    • No doubt it has a numerological significance.

      In the Bible, seven is the number of completeness and perfection. He merely added it to one to make eight.

    • No problem, Susie. I've greatly enjoyed your frequent reports from Columbus. But I must say, Go Blue!

    • “If the police weren’t here, who knows what would happen!”

      The Daily Caller published Horowitz's account of the OSU event. Horowitz wrote,

      The sixty or so student supporters of these Hamas agendas remained civil during my talk. No doubt the presence of eight armed police the university assigned had something to do with that.

      It's not hard to understand why Hillel and ADL steer clear of Horowitz. He is a public relations liability to his own cause.

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